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talking about Regina Kane. I.

1:44

Don't know one actress in this business.

1:46

He was done more stuff. Well.

1:49

She's. Good. And she has the loved

1:52

us every step of the way.

1:54

Yeah, she is the preeminent artist.

1:56

yeah and her form I mean

1:58

at the best and only. Rational

2:00

but all the i just

2:02

throughout her career. Regina Kings

2:04

Art. Has brought such warned

2:06

and color to my life. You ready

2:08

to jump seven as I only way

2:10

she interrupts your ice sheet of yeah

2:12

right as I read it again. Or

2:15

a lot of love. I love her

2:17

night, but it's because he says the

2:19

name with my mother. I love her.

2:21

not just because was my maybe favorite

2:23

interview ever when I was hosting. It's

2:25

been a minutes when I love her

2:27

because he tackles work that we need

2:29

to see and hear. We're here to

2:31

talk the Regina Kane about for new

2:33

movies. It's a biopic of Shirley Chisholm.

2:36

It's out this month and surly

2:38

for those who don't know, See

2:40

was the first black woman to

2:42

get more votes for presidents. At.

2:45

The Democratic National Convention. In.

2:47

It was a contested and Vincent's which

2:49

makes the whole story very timely for

2:51

this year. But yeah, I'm just so

2:53

excited about it and I'm so excited

2:55

that it wasn't just me to in

2:57

the interview. My sister Zach was there

2:59

to stay with us together which is

3:01

such a joy to be able to

3:03

me an icon to both of us

3:06

and then half her be com what

3:08

I think I'm I had our best

3:10

friend the home vs.like that every. Now

3:14

and so I don't. I mean that we

3:16

see gonna. Run down what this conversation cover That

3:18

it covers a lot. We talk about. The. Movie

3:20

and her process of bringing that movie

3:23

to live a sucker may be over

3:25

decades, produced it to and see stars

3:27

and and we talk about electoral politics

3:29

because this movie is all about a

3:31

black woman running for president and haven't

3:33

put up a fight at a convention

3:36

so timely for this year. But we

3:38

also talked a bit about Regina Kane

3:40

and Greece. See. And I have

3:42

both experience family loss recently and with us on

3:44

that a bit. At the end this was going

3:46

around the given how that. Gets. It

3:49

goes the every which way you

3:51

can seeing which is deserving because

3:53

she's been working on this film

3:55

and this project since President Obama

3:57

with an office job many era

3:59

of America. He deserved at

4:01

much breath. And reigns as we

4:03

can't allow on the show and what other

4:05

says Regina of she rose and met the

4:07

moment but this conversation because each she is

4:09

probably out of everyone you've heard of speak

4:12

to them the series we know the least

4:14

She is not our best friend. yeah we

4:16

do not have the community with her. Sam

4:18

was the only one that has met her

4:20

before and that was an hour and a

4:22

half hour naps. but even when she walked

4:24

in the room she had listened of I've

4:26

said before there was a kindred mess and

4:29

in are so exciting and amazing So I

4:31

think we created a space. Abetting you guys

4:33

are going to enjoy a lot. Yeah,

4:35

I still excited to hear this conversation.

4:37

I just. Yeah far so good. Little

4:39

as also you know applied for the movies

4:41

about watch movies. Israel is very interesting but

4:44

my favorite part of the film is when

4:46

they get into the ins and outs of

4:48

how. A. Political convention at the national

4:50

level can be contested and go to

4:53

some around the boats and there's vote

4:55

bartering invoked trading. It's so interesting and

4:57

you're already hearing democrats like as replies

4:59

say we should do the same thing

5:01

this is would go by an odi.

5:03

Lively is very i blame a very

5:05

up iron say because I'm like I

5:07

would love the chaos of a girl

5:10

I'm funny I do as you what

5:12

would a movie earlier like. A

5:15

clarify an ultra right? Yep, yep

5:17

for a new without. Further ado

5:19

to end our really fun hey

5:22

Sis Five Six series where we're

5:24

highlighting amazing Black women for Black

5:26

History Month and Women's History Month.

5:28

Without further ado, I'm so honored

5:30

to bring your this chat. With.

5:32

The Regina King. Enjoy!

5:43

Start most us the so when

5:45

it's me this disease by asking

5:47

each other. They survive. How

5:50

you doin who want to start?

5:52

Ask you that First on, it's

5:54

raining. All this rain. Sell a

5:56

device. If. I'm being

5:58

completely on. Yeah, my

6:01

vibe is. The. Intersection of

6:03

gratitude and sadness. Not

6:07

bringing anything down, but you

6:09

know, my life fully changed

6:11

a couple years ago and

6:13

it's like I'd never would

6:15

have thought sad those two

6:18

things are not mutually exclusive.

6:20

They are always working in

6:22

concert, you know, and. Sometimes

6:25

the gratitude is below

6:27

in bigger. Than the sadness

6:29

and a lot of times it's the

6:31

other way around. But maybe I'll add.

6:33

One more thing to that

6:36

acceptance. M is my. Visor,

6:38

you know in exempting that. Okay,

6:40

this is where I? yeah and.

6:42

This is here. You know we talk

6:44

a lot on the show and you

6:47

same this made me think of it.

6:49

We talk a lot about how whenever

6:51

you see scarcity, there's also abundance. The

6:53

memories there, never them and is we

6:55

are existing and modalities of scarcity and

6:57

abundance at the same time. Absolutely one

6:59

part of my life as a bond

7:01

while the other particles scarier. Yeah and

7:04

the words as the say. I'm.

7:06

Pretty every decision. Yeah I'm good at reason

7:08

why the decide his act and up or

7:10

that sun and it's hard but you gotta

7:12

do and I hear that it's real. It's

7:14

real real like you don't ever get to

7:16

a point where it's just abundance. no no

7:19

no ever get to a point where it's

7:21

just grayed out and I think that's the

7:23

biggest shock for people who experience in the

7:25

form a success name when that award the

7:27

been fighting for and they're like wait my

7:29

other sort of my mother secretly like right

7:31

or something else happened my life for the

7:33

park privately my partner least makes and why

7:35

this isn't like the movie. About It has to

7:37

be perfect. And that's not like. Find that is

7:39

not lives at is not live and

7:41

also as you mature in as you

7:44

experience. More like I understand.

7:47

Better. Now. What?

7:49

Trauma. Of he

7:51

t s de does not relate to

7:53

just someone that's been in war. yeah

7:55

like that yeah else. Just like all

7:57

of those things that she's name. Our

8:00

traumatic experience in a single thing it's like

8:02

trauma at it's core is just sit that

8:04

hurts you that you aren't over yet. The

8:06

yeah that's it yeah we try to make

8:09

it some big yeah they are fit. it

8:11

hurts you gas deal. think about a local

8:13

area lesser threat the on the origin of

8:15

ours celeriac something else and I love that

8:17

were talks I know how are you guys

8:19

I have a I'll add but there's an

8:22

author and rider. We talk a lot about

8:24

myself and hims for seen a Sharp or

8:26

have you heard of her working on Academic?

8:28

She's a comic coming up. By not she's

8:30

very established in academia. Man hasn't become like Bell

8:33

Hooks yes but on her way to be. No

8:35

hugs and she has a book called in the

8:37

Wake in It But it was argued that you

8:39

know ever since the slave ships crossed the Atlantic

8:41

the wake of those boats we feel them Today's

8:44

Black Americans today in every part of our lives

8:46

and when I think is amazing that this met

8:48

a form of living and awake combos is what

8:50

you're talking about Is that like you can be

8:53

living your life and and something that happened ten

8:55

years ago is triggered an act that water comes

8:57

rushing back in sit in your body like I

8:59

lot. I got the zoo than

9:01

I thought I got past that

9:04

and yet it touching the way

9:06

my way and oh yeah I

9:08

always play in like fully very

9:10

slowly know is in. It's interesting

9:12

because of ran into a girlfriend

9:14

was walking my dog the other

9:17

day him I've always said that

9:19

we have inherited. The

9:21

scene of our and says

9:23

we may not know it

9:25

but as they're happening now

9:27

understand why. We're filling the way we're

9:29

feeling, but it's. A really is us

9:32

you know yet? Distillery didn't have any need

9:34

access and there's a word for it and

9:36

she told me and I was I, I.

9:38

Knew it, I knew was a

9:40

word for it, but I wish

9:42

that we talk. About isn't exactly

9:45

cause that right there causes all

9:47

lines right? That's not a that

9:49

certain culture neither Do not like

9:51

that that is not as you

9:53

know s and I think that

9:55

like as soon as he starts

9:57

and name it. You. Can say to

9:59

some Omega A Mattress. Yeah, I'm not crazy

10:01

After going through to sign your don't call

10:03

her and get that yeah that get better

10:05

at a down in there are no he's

10:08

got it. Also it also reminds me of

10:10

I'm we've had on the New York Times.

10:12

Writer Jenna Wortham talked about a lot of

10:14

amazing things and something that Gingers service me

10:17

once genital Me about how when people are

10:19

pregnant your baby is also carrying the next

10:21

generation the strongest democratise So as apps that

10:24

mother or that person it's pregnant move into

10:26

the world editing experiencing at the next three

10:28

generations. There isn't a millionaire. And I

10:30

think when i when i think about sat outside of

10:32

pregnancy but with everything in my life in allows me

10:35

to give people some it's grace it's has they are

10:37

going to things they can be the name and then

10:39

they are the products and both good and bad way

10:41

the thanks to the net me if I had and

10:43

that's a lot. Yeah,

10:46

I mean it's into seen

10:48

that giving people grace I

10:50

think we talked about that

10:52

word at my leisure world

10:54

where I really fine how

10:56

much I need to be

10:58

given during and how. Much

11:00

Sham is. I. Am

11:02

not in a space where I

11:05

feel like I receiving plays more

11:07

than I can naturally gives it

11:09

i need. To remove myself from that

11:11

spade. There you go. You know So you

11:13

go. You never stop grow in general Fromm

11:15

never sell grown Everest I've gotten Donald people

11:17

are going through and wrong or to some

11:19

yeah we are mild going to as I'm

11:21

thinking of going through it. Let's.

11:24

Talk about Sara Lee statue and the I

11:26

was even there. Any issue I also talk

11:28

about living in the wake we are lid

11:30

on my way going on the several audible

11:33

woman in a we were talking less my

11:35

and I was like it is criminal that

11:37

most people I would say don't necessarily chisholm

11:39

his out on his as he made so

11:41

much as harrys of and I gets to

11:43

star. Let's have you tell our listeners who

11:46

Shirley was if they don't know by now.

11:48

Quotes is word that I'm like.

11:50

The. Use for herself often

11:52

when you want to describe

11:54

someone or mean with one

11:56

word. For me, that word

11:59

is maverick. Okay, when

12:01

you talk about doing something

12:03

under circumstances or during that

12:05

time when every single thing

12:07

every single person around you

12:10

is telling you know it

12:12

is not far. Even the

12:14

people on your payroll find

12:16

your play. well don't know,

12:19

Even the people they love

12:21

you, your family Imus. yeah,

12:23

your mom just as I

12:25

did are selling. You know,

12:28

in In in can't see.

12:30

That you just at least

12:32

trying is a necessity for

12:34

the world know? So the

12:36

fact that even with all

12:38

of that. See. Never

12:41

even once thought I sit

12:43

and. I honestly believe.

12:46

see: cumin seeds did seen.

12:49

Vow some Ahmed. I'm doing this what

12:52

it is. But. It never

12:54

stopped her from that moving forward.

12:56

hims in the strategist said you

12:58

know she is inertia in in

13:00

the presence of but yeah, Maverick

13:02

is that worse for me and

13:04

Ridges and doing the research on

13:06

her inches. Ah of

13:08

the people bad you know

13:10

didn't support her. Was just

13:12

so long since I owe you know

13:14

him and semi as a maverick she

13:16

made history you know see was elected

13:18

to congress and I wanted to was

13:21

a sixty eight in six yeah threatened

13:23

area in Brooklyn was see the first

13:25

black democratic woman to be in the

13:27

sound as she was a few hours.

13:29

First gets a bonus there's a seen

13:31

a movie where and one of his

13:33

first day is in the halls of

13:36

congress one or her new colleagues as

13:38

i ah isn't it crazy the you

13:40

get paid as. Much as meet

13:42

us. Wow. Yeah, so she's

13:44

facing that. And. As a few

13:46

years of dealing with that he says. On

13:49

the roof of president is them know.

13:51

He isn't that crazy like to

13:53

have that experience I have because

13:55

for her it was less. That

13:58

see was dealing with being a

14:00

minority because of the color of

14:02

her skin. New is more pictures.

14:04

Woman was originally Target about yes

14:06

adult so some most of the

14:08

grief she resides within that political

14:10

world which because she was a

14:12

woman's even from San women down

14:14

there you go south in around

14:16

in a read the quotes. I

14:18

have certainly map much more discrimination

14:20

in terms of being a woman

14:22

than thing black and silver politics.

14:24

What did you think when you

14:26

heard that you relate to that

14:28

the Buckman that's leading. This production but

14:30

also Blazing Crowds and How Yeah And Above.

14:33

I'll have to save. Fortunately,

14:35

my personal experience I have

14:38

had. Massive support from is

14:40

nothing for think thankfully that of

14:42

them. My personal experience. Now I'm

14:45

not naive. And

14:47

what I have seen? Yeah, you know,

14:50

In the World and what I've

14:52

experienced as a woman that's part

14:55

of the collective of when you

14:57

know, but just my individual. Experienced.

15:01

Major support from mean.

15:04

However, that fact that she said because

15:06

I've always been were talking about surely

15:08

I always. Want to remind

15:10

people that he, oh yes, Frederick

15:13

Douglas. Ran. For president has

15:15

has zero point. That thing I did

15:17

the only can weaken their yeah nine

15:19

years you'd actually. That I want

15:22

to remind our always i myself reminding

15:24

people, dates and. This. Is prior to

15:26

as doing the film rights that.

15:28

Not only was seeds the first

15:31

woman, but. The. First Black First

15:33

yeah some always constantly reminding

15:35

man and insua my research

15:37

coming across that I'm gonna

15:39

read her book with slide.

15:42

Over. The last cel while

15:44

I keep saying. First. Black

15:46

person be seen, that

15:48

was. Her. Biggest hurdle

15:50

was being a woman house

15:53

and so it seems. my

15:55

perspective on my approach to

15:58

trying to embody. Surely.

16:01

The best that I carried

16:03

by just. Reading. Them

16:05

in ninjas. By Kenneth sitting

16:07

with that in. Every move

16:10

that I made as Shirley's

16:12

i kind of weird when

16:14

we with specimen of be

16:16

in in certain spaces or

16:18

her I would. Be. Thinking

16:20

about that said, seem like it's a

16:22

fatality. Yeah, he has a similar exempt

16:24

they're going to. Well, Just just

16:26

watching all of the videos

16:29

and things was Cheryl. He

16:31

stood very. Original say that very

16:33

very erect in and I do kind of

16:36

solved service So that was the public interaction

16:38

with the the congressman or why they decision

16:40

making. Forty two five years I guess I

16:42

am much jail A for yeah I'm and

16:44

yeah ours that as a power seizure and.

16:47

So just sat and that

16:49

little bit of information gets.

16:52

Translated: In my mind's to

16:54

okay I have two and

16:56

a strong as. In. If you look

16:59

at all of the photos. When it comes

17:01

Madison, I have two. Others such as

17:03

at Oh My God you know

17:05

never lose their The Rings med

17:07

center would have everything and but

17:09

for all of that was intentional

17:11

was in a minutes from as

17:14

either. Imagine like the game

17:16

that yeah and as I said

17:18

I'm kinda these to wrong and

17:20

I can still be same in

17:22

India but I have two percent

17:24

and entire pack was the scene

17:26

where they're coming back campaign events

17:29

and Surly is for some of

17:31

the plan of her play here

17:33

but it's raining. As

17:35

all the man and is certainly

17:37

with the plastic wrap I'm gonna

17:39

hear me and I'm like yes,

17:41

be a valid zealous Definitely, You

17:44

know, me or my sister and

17:46

but wow Megan Houses are worth

17:48

of designer on the film and

17:50

see and I were talking and.

17:53

That. Scene with the scene we

17:55

came back and did laid around

17:57

yeah and earlier on we were

17:59

saying. The we wanted to the plastic

18:01

thing just on the head at some point.

18:03

In the film you as soon as

18:06

my book will get it yet again

18:08

it never happen, it's of them. When

18:10

that scene was added in we were

18:12

like city, it's all that bad rap

18:14

and I was like John. You

18:17

don't understand and know anything about is so

18:19

let us you know to get and let

18:21

us do this. Lead said crude know said

18:23

because what has been a bus going. To

18:25

be a light and situation any reflects in gonna.

18:27

Be got an omelette ramsey known as the fact

18:30

that can we do it Analysis for doing what

18:32

I mean. I love it. When. I think

18:34

about it because he brought me

18:36

back to my grandmother know every

18:38

single one of her purses. Had

18:40

those polled up plastic? You know

18:42

they fold up to about two

18:45

and own for women. You personally.

18:47

Snaps and You One Cell Phones

18:49

And. In it opens like an accordion and

18:51

then you put it on and snap it

18:54

under the same deaths did. This suggests that

18:56

sense does it have surely and doing that

18:58

Rome preparing for the role. The.

19:00

Accent work. The as I

19:02

was once in the updates his base

19:05

but a thickness says bays and but

19:07

she's also Brooklinen for she's also the

19:09

fi me every day delay. Yeah yeah

19:11

there are a lot of things that

19:14

me that acts as guess I tell

19:16

us how that came together I had

19:18

as far as I have an amazing

19:21

dialect coach air in Washington who. You.

19:24

Know that so that it

19:26

easy Dialect zapped. Your hand and it's

19:28

just phase in such silly i know it's not

19:30

in so. One is it seems

19:32

that was very freeing for me with

19:34

Aaron. is Ed coming into. It she

19:37

said. We're. Not trying

19:39

to get you to. Mimic

19:41

surly or is sound exactly like

19:44

surely we need to come to

19:46

the intersection of were surely in

19:48

Regina me and that you aren't

19:50

embodying thoroughly said that freed me

19:52

must immediately to not to accept

19:55

getting in my way of trying

19:57

to do and exactly as I

19:59

said. In the early research

20:01

exactly. And so then.

20:04

Listening to all of her interviews,

20:06

you know we were lucky enough

20:08

to get all of these archival

20:11

radio interviews that she. Had done

20:13

and listening. To them and hearings

20:15

have her dialect her own dialect

20:17

changes and and sometimes it's more

20:19

Beijing, sometimes out what oracle arena,

20:21

sometimes it's more proper. Down with

20:23

that on family Silver service. Roger,

20:25

how are you don't have the

20:28

exactly And so in noticing that.

20:30

Aaron. Got really. Excited that I recognize

20:32

that is said. And there's

20:34

your freedom. They were just. You

20:37

can slowly, slowly the same things

20:39

you can and it just like

20:41

clicked for me. And so what

20:43

we did. It's kind, ages. Create.

20:45

Our own rules are like that,

20:48

for surely what? When does? See.

20:51

Lean more basis when does.

20:54

Seem. We mobile roaming that out with

20:56

people ring and making bad. Decisions and

20:58

that kind of gave. Me:

21:01

A space that made me feel like

21:03

I was. Leaning. Into Shirley.

21:05

Even more bizarre. like the I

21:07

was novelty I was, The reserve

21:09

is a nuanced understanding. Heard of

21:12

more. So. Yeah now with and you

21:14

know you did so much research on this, you

21:16

spent fifteen years and a get this movie made

21:18

as you. It's only been made because you and

21:20

your sister Raina denied ago a crime. And

21:24

Surly is an icon but is a complicated person

21:26

to zeus. Human is something we know from her

21:28

that she had quite a temper and you deserve

21:30

to have ahead and preserve. Yeah, so you know

21:32

we see so many films like this come up

21:34

at a saying. You know we want to show

21:36

you some of it's been a race from history

21:39

you know, com Domingo and Rustin with such an

21:41

important films and game and insights. To some

21:43

it's been literally swept under the rug.

21:45

Realism were. A lot of

21:47

people don't know Shirley Chisholm ne. Yeah,

21:49

no one you know unless you

21:52

really are involved in civil right

21:54

down when in the history of

21:56

his. New. They are. you don't

21:58

know, so you know you And. This and

22:00

producer on this get to make a lot

22:02

of intentional decisions on how you want to introduce

22:04

her to people when they're anything about her

22:06

history that frightens you on kind of and

22:08

revealing in public or share with people. Not

22:13

did frightened me. Okay,

22:15

some I'm gonna go down another rabbit

22:18

hole. Diner Gaga. I really feel

22:20

like. Social. Graces

22:22

Yet And the internet. Can

22:25

possibly be the downfall of humanity s

22:27

was still a lot of the rules

22:29

are they added of people going to

22:31

crack their that that knuckles and going

22:33

on me just making. That statements

22:35

but it's because of

22:37

someone can have this

22:39

whole. Entire life right and

22:42

then just a one little. Thing

22:44

that they might say on

22:47

social media or do now

22:49

their whole entire life. Lock

22:51

is is is based on that

22:53

one thing. Now I'm whether it was

22:55

a mistake. Or. Whether it was,

22:58

they minces in the moment, but something

23:00

changed and them and they don't mean

23:02

it's you know, later. but there's various.

23:04

Reasons why a person can

23:06

say something that they say.

23:09

But I don't see what

23:12

reasons, just the. people

23:14

counting someone or out of

23:16

might look into over. Like

23:18

a five second sub. So

23:21

my concern I guess was

23:23

that people in I guess

23:25

had don't want to give

23:27

things out themselves. These sees

23:29

film that people could see.

23:32

Some. Choices did see main man

23:34

it would erase. Them

23:36

in their minds. All of

23:38

these other things as he had done

23:41

and I think used to no one

23:43

of the things that I'm talking about

23:45

plebs. Hopefully it'll make people when it

23:47

fell in the neon ago as that.

23:50

I'm. Yeah, that's the movie I

23:52

guess at this is anything else. For. My

23:54

sister a nice. To tell

23:56

that story which is a stasis

23:59

the light. There are like yeah, only

24:01

some really just a tribute to her

24:03

isn't an honor to her and the

24:05

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into our conversation with the one and only

27:00

Regina King. It's hard

27:03

sometimes and biopics live because.

27:06

You're. Coming to the work, And. You're

27:08

coming to the story because you love this

27:10

person. Yeah, you love this person And.yeah But

27:13

there's always this balance of like how much

27:15

good that how much, how much how much

27:17

as. You because you want the humanity.

27:19

Of the difference in income do you want are

27:22

literally real? Don't. Want their that lights. There's

27:24

no way she would have accomplished the things

27:26

that she did accomplish is the her whole

27:28

entire life resist. The city. Maliki?

27:30

Clean? No no, no Stages Not

27:33

yell. Sir even within relationship. That

27:35

one thing that you love about

27:37

a person is also that. Was

27:39

an idiot. I am a man

27:41

for himself when I think of

27:43

what I've read about Shirleen and

27:45

was in the movie. If I

27:47

had to guess like what her

27:49

pressure point was more her would

27:51

it has been her ability to

27:54

beautifully. Pop. Off when necessary

27:56

for a spot on the ocean.

27:58

Balsamic toss up in a. You

28:00

know, I'm a couple the people like

28:02

I got a chance to talk

28:04

to her goddaughter okay know I

28:07

have quite a bit ends barb

28:09

leave out The both of them

28:11

were very helpful in. Being.

28:13

Able to. Touch. In

28:15

feel is talk to people

28:17

who spend a lot of

28:19

time with her. Yeah and

28:21

both of them said they

28:23

have never seen some once.

28:26

Cause somebody out without Curse

28:28

Assist Assist Assist us pets.

28:30

As I said, embroiled as

28:32

amazing as. I can only cursed the went out.

28:34

Without. Curse yes there were some one

28:36

pokemon movies and has given up in

28:38

a way. but see someone someone to

28:40

get the hell out as he doesn't

28:43

say leaves and us. Is the

28:45

dog the zebra dog? Dollars a year. And

28:48

dogs, it snowed ally. Okay,

28:51

so the beauty of that was oh

28:53

My. God. and I'm having a brain

28:55

fart right now. The woman's name and.

28:57

Oh but we had a wonderful

29:00

consultancy. Anger Fraser ah she's actually

29:02

is written a book that's coming

29:04

out about Shirley and See Connected

29:07

me to a beige and woman.

29:10

That was. Because. Auto The Beijing

29:12

people that I was. Coming. In contact

29:14

with were younger and I felt

29:16

like a nice idea exact mint

29:18

us to. She's like in her

29:21

six the and so I

29:23

gave her the. Line and what how

29:25

it was written in I was like and

29:27

you beijing it up the surface of the.

29:31

So see gave all of

29:33

those little were alive that.

29:35

Mind that that the other one about

29:37

the. Faster. Service or

29:39

oh yes I am a season of sit

29:42

all of that ago and saw was like

29:44

oh so they're not with the john and

29:46

I was like john would is you to

29:49

easy since I was like. Oh

29:51

we. Could we wanted it's of zeal

29:54

and like odd since like. Yeah,

29:57

yes. And we knew that we knew we we're

29:59

going find them. Mine that would be able

30:01

to. Put. The Beijing twist on

30:03

it but the way it was written

30:05

actually had a couple curse words in

30:07

it or ruin ever going to use

30:09

it. Also it was just kind of

30:11

like as updates older and and so

30:14

when we found when Dr. Frasier found

30:16

her a perfect. Their sind da

30:18

de da de. I love that story

30:20

so much because solicitors aren't realizing this

30:22

you know Shirley Chisholm ran for President

30:24

in Nineteen Seventy Two Seven fifty years

30:26

ago. so wasn't that long ago. We

30:28

have people still have with us today.

30:30

somebody be so and of his with

30:32

with our congress is as bad as

30:35

they are seen as you can reach

30:37

into personal stories like this to release

30:39

such said our and figure out the

30:41

story here and the person's and but

30:43

also you know fifty years we haven't

30:45

seen a woman successfully run for President.

30:47

Or with actually Hillary Clinton did technically

30:49

when beverages wonder what after the Volga

30:51

without was the the since yet early

30:53

dow dow do a nurse? Yeah well

30:55

and it's not even right now as

30:57

we're talking there's a woman running for

30:59

president and every one as as was

31:01

in my campaign be on life support

31:04

a really good as dead in the

31:06

water ton of this is what do

31:08

you think? Shirley Chisholm herself with say

31:10

about the current state of affairs? Zero

31:12

one right now. Interesting because there's a

31:14

video clip of Shirley. It may

31:16

have been in the eighties. And

31:18

need asks her you. Did.

31:21

They thinks there would be

31:23

oh female president or like

31:25

which he see it in

31:27

our lifetime something like that

31:29

and she says no. But

31:32

he will be a vice president. Oh

31:34

how sad to the average out

31:36

the mail. Vice President for servers

31:38

author was like it's just about

31:41

as good as it. Should

31:44

be so disappointed in how

31:46

far we have not grown

31:48

in our political on and

31:50

are American. Political. Process?

31:52

Yes, Yes. We. See

31:55

surely as. Identifying.

31:57

As a democrat. Websites.

32:00

Go back to. City other I've

32:02

witnessed literally as a yes. Yes

32:04

so but I would say

32:07

surely was. All. Day Independence

32:09

you know, and I mean some

32:11

in Op's ended up doing great

32:14

things with George while is Bob

32:16

Dole, you know? so so definitely

32:18

saw the need for. All.

32:21

These thinkers? Yeah, yeah. But.

32:23

That's why I want to follow up

32:25

on Bring It Up and this is

32:27

a part of the movie that is

32:30

part of a historical records. You know

32:32

when services running for President one of

32:34

her democratic contenders is George Wallace. George

32:36

Wallace segregationists isn't and over the course

32:38

of the campaign he gets some. Dear

32:40

sir, he ends up in the hospital

32:42

and surly. Goes. To see him.

32:44

Yeah this makes black people mad. It makes

32:46

why everybody will now on her family man.

32:50

You. Know. What's. Sad is that

32:52

fifty years since then, if the same thing

32:54

happened today, someone like Shirley would still get

32:56

knocked over, do grammarly some and on off

32:58

Homie Paul as it is our our think

33:00

that's fair know it. But and then example

33:02

that comes to mind is Hillary Clinton going

33:05

to the Inauguration. I'm aware of course approach

33:07

as they were mass but she was trying

33:09

to show civility and early was suing the

33:11

same like let's keep this ship to get

33:13

down rise in our way I mean. It

33:16

kind of goes back to what I was saying before.

33:18

With said both persons and say one thing

33:20

in a non all of the yeah and

33:23

like the really think that's surely believe in

33:25

segregation because he visited yours maya right. Yeah,

33:28

you know it's it's it's says. It's

33:31

is a beautiful. Moment to mean

33:33

is it is one of the

33:35

things that I think is special

33:38

about humanity. You know enemies as

33:40

you can when it does come

33:42

down the things we may have

33:44

differences but. Some. Let me back

33:46

it up. A part in the

33:48

film that didn't. Make you know

33:51

you When you have people with to

33:53

such rich stories it's hard to get

33:55

it all. You can fit it all

33:57

in so surely actually had a to.

34:00

Removed. Right before

34:02

Sixty Eight would ruin

34:04

during that whole running

34:07

around him. And so.

34:09

A. Her. Going. To

34:12

See Wireless originally. The

34:14

way it was written because we did

34:16

have that to more part earlier on

34:19

in the film was that. Have

34:21

been where you've been So

34:23

her. Putting everything out, the

34:25

everything else. I'll just yourself

34:28

to this I. See how is

34:30

your own? You know like are you

34:32

over? No, I'm not going forward the

34:34

pomp and circumstance or people to see.

34:36

I'm going to go check on demand

34:39

day you know s and let him

34:41

know. That you

34:43

made it out. this. That. Are

34:46

now you're right? Yeah, yeah and

34:48

bled. I just felt like that

34:51

was a beautiful moment. Talking about

34:53

you know how Shirley might be

34:55

treated for written across the aisle

34:57

today? Or talking about what surely

34:59

might think about Nikki Haley running

35:01

today? I wonder if she were

35:03

still living? What do you think

35:05

Shirley Chisholm would be doing today?

35:09

Will. Years it seems is use

35:11

sake. They surely. Doubtless?

35:14

In her fifties in that

35:16

same Sir Elisa energy and

35:18

then it was happening today.

35:20

I think she may have

35:22

gotten further sin. Wasn't easy

35:24

Know I'm telling you to run will

35:26

be says I feel like aware our

35:29

minds are Now we are we are

35:31

more are ready for read my first

35:33

someone like Shirley N. said that energy.

35:36

Know that not back down I couldn't

35:38

would be him for Latin America. Oh

35:40

my brother urology. well I'm everywhere these

35:42

let's let the young. People.

35:45

Here even though the young people, they

35:47

gravitate to her then. But I think.

35:49

Even now the personally like such

35:51

a bad ass. yeah, like oh

35:53

my God. Zoe Love her! Ah.

35:56

Surly. Of then.

35:59

If. She. With the are now I think.

36:02

Everyone's palette, the young people's palace and

36:04

be read it they they're ready for

36:06

it and ready to speak out about

36:08

it. They are ready you know in

36:10

the space of Su we wanted Bernie

36:12

that day was not yet. I mean

36:14

insult your older point. You know she

36:17

would have maybe ran as an independent

36:19

yes election cycle and we're seeing more

36:21

independent stepping into the ring this year

36:23

than him be probably expected as from

36:25

them by them. Go head to head

36:27

and you are really intense. Know about

36:29

releasing this movie Gary An Election. Year

36:32

talked about that what are you

36:34

hoping? This movie and Spires and

36:36

this Chaotic is no such as.

36:38

Here's the things that there's a

36:40

lot of conversations always going on

36:42

about how do we inspire or.

36:45

Encourage young people to one

36:47

a be involved in politics

36:49

and I'm gonna like i

36:51

don't know that on I.

36:53

Honestly, Feel like if as I'm

36:55

of arms I'm I feel like.

36:58

What's. On. The

37:00

was young. I agree on that. Elvira. So

37:02

how can the bomb not inspire? How do

37:04

I inspire? them book our hope

37:06

was there was a conversation

37:09

of. Releasing. This film

37:11

in twenty twenty three of

37:13

us and we all sat

37:15

down as a team. you

37:18

know, participants Rain in I.

37:20

And Netflix en route to said but

37:22

is as really right right to do.

37:25

Have a good enough of them. Was your face

37:27

and two choices because you can release it. Twenty

37:29

Twenty three. Hop on the ward cycle. Or

37:31

I went for as you say this

37:33

is going to be a political and right

37:36

but is it But are we honoring

37:38

Surly The I wanted to hop on

37:40

the awards down at I Don't Read

37:42

So yeah else is this film silly

37:44

was done. In the spirit

37:46

of Shirley if it was

37:48

done because we felt the

37:50

importance of people knowing her

37:52

name's at my uni know

37:54

anyone else is Amy Media

37:56

some that's done something that's

37:58

created paths. For. People

38:00

In the World by example. Then

38:03

and we have a presidential

38:05

elections. Coming out in that you

38:08

can arteries and this summer I sincerely

38:10

was that convincing queen has it's got

38:12

all his if it does seem. Like

38:14

it makes sense in and to

38:17

be quite honest from of promotional

38:19

standpoint it's said me make sources

38:21

say sits this. Either on

38:23

on the truck of. All

38:26

of these. The. Things that

38:28

are happening there now and twenty twenty

38:30

four year as we are making a

38:32

way to November or December. Quick break

38:34

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38:37

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40:55

this conversation with V. Regina King. You

40:57

know it is so hard to

40:59

change people's minds ever and he

41:02

time in. but if this movie

41:04

is seen by people in an

41:06

election year and it changes their

41:08

mind about whatever in any way,

41:10

what do you hope it changes

41:12

their mind about. Just.

41:14

The possibility of. What

41:16

can be done because with to

41:19

have in. Two dollars

41:21

to campaign with Yes

41:23

and people. Hopefully seeing

41:25

you know like Lucas Hedges is

41:27

it an amazing actor sent us

41:30

who plays robber godly? You know

41:32

the fact that see that him

41:34

to come on board in in

41:36

the ceiling as a slave far

41:39

Berlin who didn't believe in a

41:41

political process at all? Him. Getting

41:43

Arts have been. You see this

41:45

team of people the she's putting

41:48

together who would likely not ever

41:50

know each other at all and

41:52

get is far. She did imagine

41:54

what we can, what could possibly

41:56

done, so hopefully it does. People

41:58

can see that. In While and

42:00

like so much of what surely is

42:03

asking in this movie and a her

42:05

run for president is would just because

42:07

I'm not on a when does that

42:10

mean I sit and try to right

42:12

right seem to from the start. The

42:14

as on be President baba well what I was

42:16

a man while yes what can I go back

42:19

and lock up some of these delegation? Audience a

42:21

hot mess is how to can make them

42:23

speak to this exactly and as the like

42:25

that. And that I mean as the like.

42:27

We always talk about this. that's the last game. Today.

42:30

Does like well as sit inside our

42:32

yard sale of them went to Wembley

42:34

are other things that are rewarding besides

42:36

winning. Set up the mess with this

42:38

film. That's a really great plane and

42:40

I will be using that as I

42:42

can see new are still a day.

42:44

It as great as as winners. Actually

42:46

not every Sunday because it is. You

42:48

know when we talk to young people

42:50

in the world say all of us

42:52

They seemed history is made in these

42:54

huge moments. The March On Washington, all

42:56

these other. but it's really small. Decisions

42:58

we make another. it's. In the failures of

43:00

like not winning, something of pushing something for

43:03

with than didn't get fully funded or whatever

43:05

and which we see real things happen and

43:07

it feels like that's what the real messages

43:09

this movie is like though you may not

43:11

be president said you can scrape the pathway

43:13

or the map for others are all over

43:15

the door better some on my father's that

43:18

has ever been as there's no rhyme or

43:20

month when the rug and yeah yeah yeah

43:22

when I tell you I when I was

43:24

movie the first time and I realize that

43:26

that was Barbara me I wasn't so excited

43:28

by that because it's. Such an important person

43:30

to all of us. Yes so and currently you

43:33

know active member of the Us government and since

43:35

a half her so present soma some magical why

43:37

was that and for and for you to shift

43:39

they. Will. Begin with

43:41

as. A certain budget is

43:44

and and is certain amount

43:46

of time. It was very important

43:48

for us. Black. Women especially

43:50

in were very big supporters of

43:53

surely campaigns and they need them

43:55

and other women supporters that weren't

43:57

just flat, flat. Said. Lot

43:59

of. But you know with

44:01

with Sin in Sex or didn't

44:04

just five dollars is yeah mail

44:06

you know their campaigns and so

44:08

Barbara it was of representation in

44:11

our film for all of those

44:13

women. But also it was very

44:16

important to show how this woman.

44:19

Could come into her life. And

44:21

then look at Barbara Lee now and

44:23

credit. You know what the law that

44:26

is Shirley inspired and Barbara would sell

44:28

yourself that without. Surely she would not

44:30

Was and not. Yeah Posey, Maxine Waters,

44:32

Guys around the black woman and there

44:34

are the Black man. I gotta go

44:36

Yeah so just to see yet at

44:38

that age Reggie, young age of our

44:41

house, Barbara and surely this relationship mean

44:43

it's just touching. As someone that was

44:45

in my early twenties trying to work

44:47

on political campaigns of for be him

44:49

a journalist and you think you're. So

44:51

small and nothing can happen that your license

44:54

get bigger than this moment and then you

44:56

see in the so that no be their

44:58

seeds being planted that will sprout rise day

45:00

or beer moment for and let you know.

45:02

Speaking of he sees be implanted in some

45:05

on like Barbara Lee. I also noticed some

45:07

of the things young black people in this

45:09

film were saying. That go directly

45:11

What we just heard zone Black

45:14

voters in South Carolina saying that

45:16

wrote it sounds so in the

45:18

selection and would surely is running.

45:20

The Democratic leaders are Humphrey and

45:22

Muskie and they're going up against

45:24

corruption. Nixon and I wanna say

45:26

a young Barbara Lee in this

45:28

film says quote we are tired

45:30

of the men were sending to

45:32

Washington. Humphrey. And Muskie are

45:35

better than Nixon. But is that

45:37

the standard to be? Better than

45:39

the man that's corrupt. People

45:42

same same same the about your

45:44

Biden and Donald Trump in a

45:46

D city years later save their

45:49

years later. It's wild. I

45:51

mean does not another what would surely say

45:53

about this question. But yeah, I

45:55

mean. That it would have when I was saying earlier.

45:57

Think this, you be so disappointed. Game.

46:00

You know, n n I

46:02

think she's also. Would be

46:04

understanding of just how exhaust

46:06

seen. All. Of it is

46:08

Ray. Because the Her. Honestly,

46:10

I'm exhausted. By

46:13

her amazon wish he would seal.

46:15

I've seen say without a fight.

46:17

the Good fight. Yes, we gotta

46:20

fight the good fight. In as

46:22

long as his long as they

46:24

might year until the end, they'll

46:26

be a year. And and

46:28

everyone is in such

46:30

we ourselves as traumatize.

46:33

Snuff. Yeah, we. Went

46:35

from. A really tough

46:37

election. Only sixteen. To. It's

46:39

most of us forces from what do you

46:41

love them or hate rise to a pandemic

46:43

stuff that another tough on us yeah we've

46:46

been through it else and were asked evokes

46:48

to be motivated yes and enteritis. The

46:50

end when you were looking

46:52

at. Okay so come November

46:54

our options are gonna be

46:57

trump or bidens that space.

47:00

Wolves about? What do I otherwise?

47:02

and even Android that is. Not

47:04

only does. The it's is

47:06

really hard to. Motivate her

47:08

and for you. I'd love the or how

47:10

you said motivated making this movie because we

47:12

said fifteen years the number but the place

47:15

that in the political landscape that means that

47:17

Obama was an office When you have the

47:19

first idea for thou and that things like

47:21

you know buzz feed news was that he

47:23

would rightly so much has changed in the

47:25

world's since you that this movie made so

47:27

like what was it like to push through

47:29

for fifteen years and how did you find

47:31

the strength as the political landscape obsessing so

47:33

they so focused on this is you made

47:35

a movie in the era of Trump and

47:37

Obama down and. Bided yeah yeah

47:39

Lol. You know I

47:41

have the be on is. Probably.

47:44

A huge part of it is. My.

47:46

Son, You know, because he's

47:48

witnessed this whole entire journey

47:51

he witnessed. You know, when

47:53

I was campaigning for Obama

47:55

in Sandusky, Ohio? Why? Mom?

47:58

Where? Sanders Mckenna? My. Only

48:00

when. I have failed miserably. The

48:02

media. Evidence of society's

48:04

I went out on my way of

48:07

islamic leader for a I know as

48:09

well. This is that he said mom

48:11

I am I have family Cincinnati as

48:13

his arm. I'm gonna drive over to

48:16

Cincinnati average minutes but I'm in in

48:18

watching him be a part of the

48:20

political process. And so

48:22

says the understanding

48:24

of Sara. Lee in

48:27

how galvanizing some of

48:29

her mind worked in

48:31

a way that always

48:33

understood. The. Importance of.

48:36

Get galvanizing forgiven, bringing people together

48:38

and inspiring people and so does

48:41

all the times throughout the fifteen

48:43

years were things that happen where

48:45

you know we were working on

48:47

it and in the woods hundred

48:49

die down and work and on

48:51

his in Canada down for so

48:53

much of the you know year

48:55

with ask This Cause reign as

48:57

is T T. So

48:59

ruiz as do with the Shirley's. And

49:02

then for her to play a hike

49:04

inside. Taken some pictures a long time

49:06

ago. it's did a. Quick.

49:08

Theme of our version of Me

49:10

Shirley and we'd seen those pictures

49:13

and we would see those pictures

49:15

and they would. Pop. Up

49:17

Barnard memory seeing and. Season

49:19

when the things that does happen that

49:22

made us have the stop and start

49:24

and stop and start. In.

49:26

That saw a whole another podcast is

49:29

this isn't There was always. Some.

49:31

Wine usually even. Reminding.

49:34

Us did. You. Gotta do it.

49:37

He. Can't let this go or someone will.

49:39

Say. I don't know surely is a

49:42

mighty says you're like the use he

49:44

uses though zur really know for instance

49:46

like your to talk about that long

49:48

for the so it's kind of would

49:50

surely was all about what's the suspects.

49:52

Finish the job, finish the job yeah

49:54

I might say to see as a

49:56

Cs he was having people seller the

49:58

whole time she was running. The about

50:00

now thousand and nine ended know you're going

50:02

to to convince my we'd done that you

50:04

isn't it yeah wouldn't for not as if

50:06

we win all the way. And so the

50:08

yeah right and I think that assists one

50:10

of a beautiful this movie is ah. The

50:12

way to the not as in so. Thin.

50:15

Early on every day. We

50:17

did. It is not all these insane grain

50:20

and I have really like I remember when

50:22

we sat a couple moments are we to

50:24

solicit each other and go. We

50:27

are. Is This happening? That's

50:30

just the soon are A as in these as

50:32

all of the pope. You

50:35

know, sitting with our in our

50:37

amazing composer. To markedly you

50:39

know in just sitting there with her

50:41

and looking at her like. To.

50:45

Eat it. had Lunar Saving

50:47

those moments of does everyone

50:49

knowing all that rain and

50:51

I've gone through all that

50:53

we were going through on

50:55

the journey and surviving it

50:57

is. I've. Seen them that.

51:01

Is. Surely as the skin. From

51:03

somewhere. Best for. You

51:06

sure to visit know we

51:08

didn't let it go sell

51:10

man. I

51:12

think this is beautiful Interrupt us Congress and

51:15

so good and I wanna say is on

51:17

a personal no one. I love you

51:19

know as well. Other was in forever and

51:21

as if I may opposes My mother's name

51:23

is Regina. Or

51:25

minus them queen I know point

51:28

as we we have and she

51:30

passed away in June of last

51:32

is sick for while is a

51:34

rare and when he voted on

51:36

girl floated aggressive see that rest

51:38

Yeah and what I love about

51:40

this conversation and what I've been

51:43

trying to do with my mother's

51:45

memories and she's been gone is

51:47

to talk about her when it

51:49

makes sense. you know in that

51:51

like the memories are still there

51:53

now as go there there. And

51:55

they're and they're here. They're They're They're I

51:58

am he. And he and his nigga. Can

52:01

you speak about your son with that love

52:03

and in what feels like a present tense?

52:05

Yeah I know how ways in the President's

52:07

is now on sale. For said thank you

52:09

and I are gonna give you the hugest.

52:12

Squeeze a we get up out of

52:14

these hairs and thank you so much

52:16

hearing that with. Me to dinner and.

52:18

Regina Any and I've. This

52:21

similar as yes I am a day

52:23

able to put our surly on Netflix.

52:25

I heard of it as as at

52:27

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52:30

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52:32

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52:34

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52:36

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52:44

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52:46

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