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So why is it so hard for

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women to find things to love about themselves

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as they begin the aging process ?

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Well , it's a great question , but

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it's not just the aging process , but

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I think it really impacts women

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of our age , because

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we are these cusp

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generation where we

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remember where women had no power

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and now women getting power and

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being able to have positions of leadership

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and professional careers and things

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outside of the home . But you

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know , we're still very much stuck in the culture

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that's been present for 5,000

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years Patriarchy right .

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Hi , I'm Linus Woods Mullins and I

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love to help women to vibe , to

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be more vibrant , intuitive , beautiful and

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empowered in their life . So come on

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, let's vibe . We

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happen to be recording this on the

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day of love you know Valentine's

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Day , but whatever time you might listen to this

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, I think what we're going to be talking about is relevant

1:08

, and that is this whole idea

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of self-love . What is it ? Is

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it possible , Is it important ? Is it even relevant

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? I know some people talk about self-love and

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say it's overused . Of

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course I love myself and all of that , but I wonder , because I have found with

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the women that I work with , especially those

1:26

over 50 , there seems to

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be some struggling with loving

1:30

themselves as they are , you

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know , as they go through the aging process

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. So today I decided to ask

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an expert when it comes to the whole idea of

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working with women over 40 and over 50

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, in particular , when it comes to their

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dealing with their own

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self-value and love for

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themselves . I'm talking with Dr

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Diane Garrison , who is

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a PhD licensed clinical psychologist

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and she is also a feminine power

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coach and dream builder coach . She's

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the owner and clinical director of Lake

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County Wellness and Counseling , which

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is a holistic healing center in Wisconsin

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. She's been doing this for over 30 years

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and has helped in a variety of mental

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health issues and life adjustment issues

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, with a particular interest on

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the focus and needs of women

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, especially as they begin that aging

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process . So thank you so much , Dr

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Diane Garrison , for joining us . It's wonderful

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to have you here today .

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Thank you . It's a joy to be here

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and I'm always excited

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about this topic .

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Well , thank you . Well , it is a great

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topic because I think that , as we go through midlife or whatever this is , I

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don't know .

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Am I in midlife at 67 ? I don't think so

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.

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I know where I am , but you know , I'm still calling myself midlife , Okay , well

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then .

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I'll go ahead and go into seniors . That's my new hallmark

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.

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Okay . Well then , there you go , and

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I agree with you , you know . First of all , we

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are a society that's so preoccupied with labels and everything has to go into a category

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, and that might be one of the first things that begins to start to wear its ugly

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head in our lives is what category

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do we fit in ? Who are we now

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as we begin the aging process ? And

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one of the first things that comes up , of course , is

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the changes in the way that we look

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, and just the natural aging

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process . So why is it so hard

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for women to find things to love

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about themselves as they begin the aging

3:23

process ?

3:25

Well , it's a great question , but

3:27

it's not just the aging process , but

3:29

I think it really impacts women

3:31

of our age , because

3:33

we are these cusp

3:35

generation where we

3:37

remember where women had no power

3:39

and now women getting power and

3:42

being able to have positions of leadership

3:44

and professional careers and things

3:47

outside of the home . But , you

3:49

know , we're still very much stuck in the culture

3:51

that's been present for 5000

3:53

years Patriarchy Right when

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our value to society was in

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taking care of others , period , and that's

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it Taking care of others , that's

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it Taking care of others . And then we had all the religious training that

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told us that we are to be of service and focusing on ourself

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is selfish and that's like the number one for

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women , right ? So we really bought into

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or got brainwashed into that whole

4:17

programming . So we feel

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our value in our caretaking

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to others versus I'm

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valuable because I exist and I have gifts

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and talents and beauty

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and things to share with the world . It's like

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all relationally focused

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. And so then you know , then when you get

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the aging process , then it

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gets even harder , right

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? Because we live in a culture that also venerates

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youth right , not these

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gray hairs you and I have , but youth

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right and all the images . My

4:48

last podcast , in fact , at the beginning of

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February , was on that culture

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of the impossible , cultural mirror

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of perfection that women can never

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reach but torture

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themselves and spend all kinds of money to

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try to reach , rather

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than just focusing on you know what ? I'm

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here . That means I'm meant to be here

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. I got to figure out what my

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special genius , gift , talent , strengths are

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, and I'm going to share it with passion in the world

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. But we're not at that

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orientation , you know .

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There's something you said that's very interesting and that's

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just the whole enculturation of what goes on in

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our society , and I have found that

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it's just not the patriarchal society

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that has these expectations , but we begin

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to place these expectations on ourselves

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and each other . I had experience

5:35

the other day at the store and

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this lady comes up to me and she says oh

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, you are so beautiful , I love your hair , and I said

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thank you . And then she said I bet you were

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really a beauty when you were younger . Okay

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, my first thought was , but

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my second thought was wow , she

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doesn't even realize what she's saying in

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terms of the idea that , as you get older , you couldn't possibly be prettier because

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you're getting older . So , when we take a look at some of these things that you couldn't possibly

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be prettier because you're getting older so

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, when we take a look at some of these things , the

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lies that we tell ourselves and the unloving

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things that we say to ourselves , even either

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wittingly or unwittingly how can we

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begin to heal from this in

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a really meaningful and straightforward way ? How

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can we begin to heal how we

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love ourselves ?

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Well , first is to understand

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that we're not wrong , we're not dumb

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, we're not broken . One we

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have this , all this societal

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programming too and the

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other is that we have a nervous system , a

6:36

very nervous system , that

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is negatively biased

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. So we develop that

6:43

critical inner voice at a very

6:45

young age . By the time we're six or seven years old

6:47

, we're already criticizing ourself . And

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if we have nobody to activate

6:52

or teach us the inner lover or the loving

6:54

, affirming voice , then it doesn't

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exist . And then you learn

6:58

about it later , once you're older , and you hear

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about positive self-talk and all about this stuff

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. But if you just spent , you know , the

7:05

early years of your life only being critical

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, then there's it's like

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retraining , right , but we're

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incredibly flexible . We have this huge brain

7:14

so we can always retrain . So I

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think you know it's

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it's hard to do this without

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some kind of support , right , whether

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it's a book or a program

7:26

you sign up for , or a coach or a therapist

7:29

, because this ingrained belief

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systems go really deep . But

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what we want to really focus on are four

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kind of key components

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. One is to really

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learn how to identify

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and own your gifts , talents

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and strengths . Right , we're

7:49

not taught to even focus on them . We

7:51

you know all us in the coaching business

7:53

we talk about this stuff all the time , but for

7:56

the average Joe and Josephine they

7:58

don't talk about what . What are my gifts , talents

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and strengths , right ? So you have to recognize

8:02

them and you own them , and sometimes you

8:04

need the help of somebody else to reflect them back

8:06

to you because you to start talking to ourself

8:09

in a positive , loving way

8:20

. Positive self-talk , I call it . I call

8:22

that inner mean girl versus the inner lover

8:25

, right ? And the inner lover is

8:27

the one that's like you go , girl , you did

8:29

really great , you look fabulous today

8:31

. You know and practice

8:33

that till it becomes natural . The

8:36

third point is to learn self-compassion

8:38

. It is ironic

8:40

that women are masters

8:42

of compassion . We show up

8:44

for others , we know how to love , we know

8:46

how to be empathic , we know how to be

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there , but we don't know how to do

8:50

it for ourself . So that's a skill

8:53

that you need to learn and that's why I wrote

8:55

an ebook and give it to anybody who wants

8:57

it , about how to learn

8:59

this very important

9:02

skill of self-compassion . And then

9:04

, once you got those three components moving

9:07

in and integrating , then you

9:09

need to do with the old baggage . You

9:11

need to deal with the old stories , the old

9:13

core beliefs that are keeping you stuck . You need

9:15

to deal with the old stories , the old core beliefs that are keeping you stuck

9:17

, and if you can do it as a wise woman with an inner lover

9:19

, you can transform those stories

9:22

to really match who

9:24

you've developed over these many years

9:26

. Who have I become ? What are my gifts

9:28

, talents and strengths ? What do I have to offer versus

9:31

this old message of I'm not good enough

9:33

, I'm not lovable , I'm not important , I'm

9:35

invisible ? Right , there's a lot of them

9:37

.

9:38

Yeah . And then the other message that I hear women

9:40

talk about a lot about is well , it's just too late . It's

9:43

too late to change . You know , I've been

9:45

doing it this way for 60 years

9:47

or 50 years , or whatever . I

9:49

don't have enough time to change . I could

9:51

possibly , you know , live in a different way

9:53

, and of course , you and I know that that's not

9:55

true , but how can we get women

9:58

to understand that ? Actually , in many

10:00

ways , this is just the beginning . This is a great

10:02

opportunity to be able to pursue

10:04

things you've always wanted to , with the first

10:06

step in terms of how you view yourself

10:08

.

10:09

Right . So it's you know , and it's

10:11

challenging . It's challenging

10:13

to get women to really wrap their mind

10:15

around the concept I count and I matter

10:18

and I'm worth the effort . And

10:21

so we keep on offering these different programs

10:23

and different Facebook groups . You and I each

10:26

have one where we're trying to empower

10:28

women with positive messages

10:31

and , you know , meditations

10:33

and opportunities and programs to help

10:36

them . Really . You know I count

10:38

and I matter . Every Monday in my Facebook

10:40

group I do a self-affirmation

10:42

Facebook live , just you know five minute thing

10:44

where it's like here , take advantage

10:46

of this . And I have , you know , a

10:48

big group and maybe you

10:50

know I get 20 views

10:53

. So it's like that

10:56

question of how you know that has been

10:58

in my mind for as long as I've been doing this . How

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do I get women

11:03

to to want this right

11:05

, to recognize that they're worth it and

11:07

to want it , versus just

11:09

going on

11:12

doing the same old taking care of business

11:14

and everybody else ?

11:14

Right . It's interesting because I

11:17

have learned that there is a great power

11:19

in the testimony and I've started

11:21

sharing my story more . And

11:23

I'm going to be sharing my story more and more on the

11:25

podcast and my group and on TikTok

11:27

, on Instagram , because they

11:30

look at us and think , well , okay , you've already

11:32

made it or you don't have any of the problems that

11:34

I have . Look at you , look what you're doing . You're

11:36

out there , you're talking to people , you've written books

11:38

and all this kind of stuff . But the reality is , in

11:41

terms of my story

11:43

, it was out of my sickness

11:45

that I came to do this . I had an

11:47

anxiety disorder , and a serious

11:49

one , and I wanted to figure out

11:51

how to deal with that anxiety without taking

11:53

a pharmaceutical . So it was a journey

11:56

, but I think the very , very first

11:58

step was , first

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of all , to decide that I wanted to do something different

12:02

. That's the first thing . But then I

12:04

began searching out and listening to other

12:07

women who were going through the same

12:09

thing , listening to their testimonies . You

12:11

know , I think sometimes we

12:13

need to get our stories out of us instead

12:16

of hiding from ourselves and others and letting

12:18

people not letting people know what we're feeling , but actually

12:20

talking about it , and you'd be surprised how

12:23

many women out there are feeling

12:25

the same way .

12:27

Absolutely . I share my story all

12:29

over the place , you know

12:31

, because I came to

12:33

the work I'm doing now because I burnt

12:36

out , because I

12:38

was trying to do it all and do it all perfectly

12:40

and I crashed and burned and I

12:42

really think that . You know

12:44

, it was my early fifties , menopause

12:47

was hitting , I wasn't sleeping

12:49

well , I was achievement perfectionist

12:51

junkie and raising

12:54

two girls , trying to keep

12:56

a marriage together , trying to keep my own business

12:58

together , a therapy practice

13:00

, and I crashed and burned and

13:02

it was like OK , either pick

13:04

yourself up from the ashes or

13:07

like throw in the towel .

13:12

It was that bad .

13:14

And I first you

13:16

know someone led me to

13:18

because traditional medicine was not helping

13:20

me with the menopausal symptoms at all

13:22

Found an integrative doctor who

13:24

got me on some bioidenticals and I started

13:27

sleeping again and that just changed

13:29

the world . Then a friend gifted

13:31

me a program on self-compassion

13:34

and I started learning how to love myself

13:36

and learned how

13:39

to meditate in a whole new way versus trying

13:41

to like still my mind that's impossible

13:43

, I'm sorry , but go

13:45

into my heart space . And then

13:47

that blew my mind open . And

13:50

then this just rolled out

13:52

an email , a woman I'd been following for

13:54

years , but I finally paid attention to

13:56

her and her story and that was Feminine

13:58

Power and Dr Claire Zammett , and

14:00

got involved in that program and it's just

14:02

like steps of transformation

14:05

that kept on coming

14:08

and helping me

14:10

to . Really , you know , I felt

14:12

very guided to it

14:14

in this healing process and it's like

14:16

, and if I as stubborn

14:19

and as stuck as I was , can heal any

14:21

woman ? Yeah , I tell

14:23

my story all over the place . Linus , you

14:25

know I was

14:28

trained in graduate school to , you

14:30

know , kind of keep that professional distance

14:32

. And I found , after I went through my

14:34

own transformation and I kind of switched

14:36

more into , you know this transformational

14:39

coaching style and I wasn't cutting

14:41

it anymore and I

14:44

found that my story could empower

14:46

other women . You know I um

14:48

, overeducated , overachieving

14:51

, over-perfectionistic , trying to

14:53

do everything right . But I got to tell

14:55

you , once perimenopause

14:58

and menopause hit , I

15:00

was obviously so

15:02

stressed out , so much cortisol in my body

15:05

I was hot

15:07

, flashing so badly in the night I wasn't

15:09

sleeping anymore and then I got grumpy , then

15:12

I got depressed and you know it was like

15:14

this trickle down and it came to . You

15:16

know , I either had to throw in the towel

15:18

or I had to learn how to take care of myself

15:20

in a whole different way . And that led

15:22

me on this . I really feel like I

15:24

was guided , led me on this journey

15:27

. So first a

15:29

friend gifted me this program on self-compassion

15:32

and I'm like okay

15:35

, and I started listening to

15:37

it and it was life transformation

15:40

. You know , even as

15:42

an experienced psychologist , I had

15:44

no idea . I had no idea how

15:46

to be kind to myself , how to be gentle

15:49

and compassionate . I did it for everybody

15:51

else . But the fact

15:53

that that inner critic really wasn't

15:55

the best way to manage myself

15:57

was like a revelation

15:59

. And after I started being

16:01

kind and gentle myself , then this

16:04

feminine power program

16:06

like fell in my lap . I was following the

16:09

creator , dr Claire Zammett , for years

16:11

and , you know , kind of paying attention , kind

16:13

of not paying attention , and all of a sudden

16:15

, no , I'm going to this free

16:17

webinar and the rest is history . I got

16:19

trained in that and then I got trained

16:22

in dream

16:24

building with Mary Morrissey and it's like my

16:26

whole world just transformed

16:29

, because not only did I feel much

16:31

more connected to the all and to spirit

16:33

, I was much more connected to myself

16:36

and realized , well , there really isn't any difference between

16:38

spirit and me and me , spirit and all

16:41

and connecting to others . And I

16:43

found , you know , after being kind of a

16:45

lone wolf , my whole life , my

16:47

childhood circumstances kind of demanded

16:50

that and but

16:52

I never got rid of it . And then finding

16:54

a community of women , it

16:56

was like so incredibly powerful

16:59

, like-minded women who are always also

17:01

trying to step into their power , trying to

17:03

transform , trying to be them best selves . And

17:06

you know . So now I use my

17:08

own story . You know , even though

17:10

I was a psychologist , I didn't get it to

17:13

help other people go

17:15

. Okay , that we don't get it because

17:17

we're brainwashed patriarchy

17:21

, 5,000 years to not focus on ourself

17:23

, to not take care of ourself to take

17:25

care of business and take care of everybody else

17:27

and

17:30

you know , telling our story is

17:32

a form of self-love , actually , because

17:34

you love yourself enough to be transparent

17:37

.

17:38

And it's funny too , because you're saying I'm a psychologist

17:41

, I should have known to do this , but you know , it's that

17:43

old adage physician heal thyself . Many

17:46

things that we teach other people to do are

17:48

some of the things that we struggle with ourselves

17:50

. So , when it comes to the whole idea

17:52

of self-love , what are the qualities

17:54

of self-love ? What kinds of things should we

17:56

be doing to enhance

17:58

our self-love .

18:00

Well , when I guide women on this path

18:02

, it's like

18:04

multifaceted and

18:06

you know there's not a wrong place or

18:08

a right place to start . But I

18:11

usually begin with helping them to

18:13

identify their gifts , talents and strengths

18:16

. Like you know , you're a badass

18:18

. You really are . You don't think about

18:20

it , everybody else knows it , but

18:22

own it . And then I start

18:24

teaching them that how to

18:26

talk nicely to themselves

18:29

, like to tune in , you have an inner critic

18:31

, right , right , and that voice is going

18:33

all the time , whether you're asking for

18:35

it or not . We don't , it's autopilot . But

18:38

you have to learn how

18:40

to activate your inner

18:43

lover and learn how to talk really

18:45

nicely to yourself and affirming

18:47

and you know , cheerleading

18:49

, and like you can do this right

18:52

, very you better not screw this up . I

18:54

mean , what a difference you can do this

18:56

.

18:57

And you know what you do screw it up

19:00

. There's some key learnings in that

19:02

. Oh you for the next

19:04

thing . Now I can't say I'm so evolved

19:07

that I thank God every day for my adversities

19:09

, but I do , I'm

19:11

just not . I know you're supposed to , but I

19:13

do thank God for teaching

19:16

me , in the way that he does , the

19:18

things that I need to learn to keep moving

19:20

forward , and the only way I learn

19:22

with my hard head is usually through

19:24

adversity , and you're so right

19:26

. It's interesting how those

19:28

situations keep showing up until

19:31

you learn it , keep showing up until you learn

19:33

it , and so I love the way you

19:36

can . I think we're more prone to have

19:38

these aha moments about how life works

19:40

as we get older .

19:43

Absolutely the next thing I take

19:45

women on is learning

19:47

self-compassion , and

19:54

by that that's more than just talking nice to yourself . It's showing up for

19:56

yourself when the chips are down right , so when you have that adversity , that

19:58

you are kind and tender and patient

20:00

and forgiving with yourself for having

20:02

a misstep or a flip up or whatever

20:05

. So this concept of self-compassion

20:08

and we , it's not that

20:10

hard to learn , because we are finally

20:13

trained in giving compassion to others . It's

20:15

just a matter of turning the direction

20:17

right From out here .

20:20

Kind of flipping the mirror back on ourselves

20:22

. That same compassion that you show your husband

20:24

, your children , your friends , your co-workers , your

20:26

parents , your neighbors , the people out in the street

20:28

, all of that Turn that whole

20:30

way of being and treat

20:33

yourself the same way . It seems

20:35

like such a simple concept

20:37

, but something I know we all struggle with

20:39

, because with that comes that kind of like that

20:42

guilt thing . I'm being selfish

20:44

, yeah

20:46

, I'm so silly to this day , and my kids have

20:48

been gone from the home 12 years

20:51

, almost 13 years . They're all successful

20:53

, all doing well , but do you know , I still

20:55

feel guilty if I'm just sitting

20:57

and doing nothing . I feel like I gotta be doing

20:59

something , because for years I didn't

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sit and do nothing . I was always doing

21:04

while the kids were playing , I was doing laundry

21:06

, I was cooking , I was prepping for the next day

21:08

I was helping with home . I was doing all this stuff

21:10

, doing , doing , doing and not

21:12

being . And thank you

21:14

for that Facebook message you sent me the

21:16

other day , because that is so my language

21:19

and we all need to be reminded . Talk

21:21

to us about the value of being , being

21:24

, being well , we

21:28

all have incredible

21:30

wisdom within us .

21:32

You can call it your inner wisdom , you can call

21:34

it your inner guidance system , you can call it intuition

21:37

, you can call it spirit , but

21:39

we cannot really hear its

21:41

messages or use its power

21:43

unless we get quiet . And

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we can't get quiet if we're doing doing , doing

21:48

right , and we're not

21:50

human doers , we're human beings . And

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I no longer feel guilty sitting

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on my meditation cushion

21:57

or just taking some time

21:59

out , because I've learned over

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time that being

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quiet and creating quiet time

22:05

every day is really what helps me

22:07

be active and vibrant

22:09

for the rest of the day . And

22:11

so this , really

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, you know recognizing we are

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spiritual beings having a human

22:18

experience , not humans who might

22:20

or might not have a soul Right , we're

22:22

human beings having a spiritual

22:25

experience , a human experience

22:27

. And this is just earth school . We may

22:29

not really understand what happened before

22:31

or what happens next , but

22:33

we're here to learn to love , to

22:35

give our best out into the world

22:38

, and you know so

22:40

that . But you can't get

22:42

those your direction

22:45

, your passion , your true course

22:47

, your North Star , unless you

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get quiet and quiet

22:52

on a regular basis . I recommend it daily

22:54

and for me it's at the beginning of the

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day . Other people like it at the end or

22:58

bookmarking it , but

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for me it's really at the beginning

23:03

of the day . It sets the tone for

23:05

the rest of my day to ground , to

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center , to meditate , and

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you know I teach that

23:11

and you know there's no one wrong

23:13

way or right way

23:16

to do any of this . You got it . In fact , you have

23:18

to find your own way . I was always trying to , you

23:20

know , match the gurus before until

23:22

I figured out I'm my own guru

23:24

. I got to find my own way .

23:27

You know , as you're talking , I'm writing some things down

23:29

that I want to make sure I emphasize when I'm

23:31

talking to my community

23:33

as well . You know how you start

23:36

your day is can definitely

23:38

determine how the rest of your day is going to go

23:40

. Not saying you can't do a reset because you can't do a

23:42

reset , but sometimes you just sometimes it's

23:44

hard to stop to do that reset . But I've

23:46

been starting my day in a positive

23:48

way for about 15 years

23:51

and it does very much the same thing . Like

23:53

you do , I have my spiritual practice , I have my

23:55

movement practice . I

23:57

have certain things that I like to put in

23:59

my body when I'm not intermittent fasting

24:01

at the beginning of the day , and

24:03

it's a ritual , but it's also a

24:06

form of self-love for me and a

24:08

form of self-compassion , self-care

24:11

, self , self , self . That's

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what it's about .

24:16

It's all about taking care of ourself . That's

24:18

beautiful , yeah , I mean , for

24:20

me , for years it was all about

24:22

everybody else and everything else , and I would come

24:25

in as early as clients were willing to

24:27

come in . And finally I said , hey

24:29

, you got your own practice , lady , you

24:32

get to set your day you want . And

24:41

that's when I started , like , no , the beginning of the day is for me , is for exercise , is for quiet time , is for reflection

24:43

, time for meditation , and when I set that in , you know I don't come into the office till 10 , but I get up

24:46

at six , so I have a lot of time

24:48

to ease into my day in a way that

24:50

fuels me so I can really be

24:52

present for others .

24:54

Absolutely . Wow . I can talk

24:56

to you forever , dr Diane . I so

24:58

love your approach to your

25:00

practice and I know that you not

25:03

just have the approach , you live that piece and that's

25:05

what makes it so powerful . And

25:07

I want to make sure that people know to go ahead and

25:09

tune into your podcast , full

25:11

Power Women . It is an amazing

25:14

podcast . I had the honor of being your

25:16

guest not too long ago and it was so

25:18

much fun In fact I'm going to put in the

25:20

show notes everyone how to get

25:22

in touch with Dr Diane . She

25:25

is really not

25:27

just an amazing individual

25:29

, but she is a caring and compassionate

25:31

person and she's straightforward and honest

25:34

and it's hard to get that

25:36

combination . It's hard to get that combination

25:38

, but it is a powerful combination

25:41

and thank you so much for sharing with us

25:43

your full power today .

25:45

Oh no , problem and just a

25:47

little correction . The podcast is actually called

25:49

Find your Fabulous with

25:51

Dr Diane , but it's . My

25:54

YouTube channel is Full Power Women

25:56

and it's on my website Full

25:58

Power Women .

25:58

Let me keep you straight , youtube is Full Power

26:00

Women and the YouTube channel is there , and

26:03

also her Find your Fabulous and the YouTube channel is there and also her Finder Fabulous podcast

26:05

. That link is there . It's all in the

26:07

show page . I encourage you to

26:09

go to her YouTube channel and subscribe

26:12

and follow her podcast . You will only

26:14

be better for it . Thank you so

26:16

much , dr Diane .

26:18

You're so welcome Okay

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.