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Hello, everybody, and welcome to v Pattison for
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Secret two. This week, I'm joined by
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non of art and crystal queen TikTok
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sensation and all around
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megabit. It's Georgina. Easterbrook
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everybody.
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Thank you for helping me. Oh
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my god, babe, don't feed up. Thank you so much
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for coming on. Like, I look Obviously,
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I've spoken loads about how much
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I love being able to call this new
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job, you know, or sitting and chatting to
1:00
interest in people every week is just a dream
1:02
come true for making some sort of fucking nosy
1:04
cow. But I
1:06
feel like I'm really excited about you because I know
1:09
very little about this space. I'm super
1:11
interested by it and you are blowing
1:13
up on TikTok merit. So I feel like that's
1:15
the right way to say it. I'm so old. I don't know if that's
1:17
how you cool kids say. But yeah, I feel like so
1:19
everybody is interested. It's a proper
1:21
movement
1:22
now, isn't it? Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.
1:24
TikTok's been such a wild journey
1:27
for me, honestly. And the fact that I
1:29
get to sit and talk about something I'm
1:31
really passionate
1:32
about, like you say, every day for a job is just
1:34
unbelievable. But
1:36
how did you get into it with me? Because
1:39
let's have it right. If you're going to say your sort
1:41
of Korea's adviser at school, like
1:44
crystal queen doesn't often pop
1:46
up because it so how did how
1:48
did you first start believing in the powers
1:50
of crystals? How did you fall into what you're doing
1:52
now? Yeah. I mean, it's it's been
1:54
a really well journey for
1:55
me. I mean, I've always been not massively
1:57
into crystals knowing much about them, but I've
1:59
always been drawn since, like, growing up, like, what
2:01
I've been going through hard times. I've kinda
2:03
gotten into a crystal sharp and picks up some bits,
2:05
but many just from looking at it, not knowing too
2:07
much about it. And then I've
2:10
always kind of worked minimum wage
2:12
like shop
2:13
jobs. I've been in, like, Debenham, Zulu,
2:15
like, they've done it.
2:16
Oh. A little bit of new look. Yes.
2:19
Yeah. Me too. Not so much. Wherever
2:23
bargain I've been out then. But
2:25
I did make up retail for real
2:27
time about working right now. We'll be brown at
2:29
the concessions like that. And then during lockdown,
2:31
like, a lot of other people, I
2:34
lost my job. The shop jacked down,
2:36
and I was a bit like, what am
2:38
I gonna do now? And I
2:40
was in a really bad place, mentally, at
2:42
the time, like, you know, it all just happens at once. I
2:44
could just go through really bad breakup, you
2:46
know, in a very nice relationship. I
2:49
struggling with a knee and disorder at the time.
2:51
I just had a really low opinion of myself. I didn't
2:53
love my job. I kind of felt a bit lost.
2:55
And that kind of threw me down a massive swirl
2:57
of was in such a low place I wanted to know
2:59
about mind, how it worked, like, positive
3:02
thinking, and I was basically relearning everything
3:04
just has to be happy. And along that
3:06
journey kind of drew me back into crystals
3:08
and actually wanted to learn more about them what
3:11
they do and since learning
3:13
more about it, I was like, wow, this could really change in so
3:15
many people's lives, which is why I ended up
3:17
making the pixel account. And
3:18
obviously, if you wanted to hear it, so that's
3:21
really good. Yeah. No. It's amazing
3:23
babe. And I think it's something that you've managed to
3:25
polysomething that helped you, something
3:27
that you are passionate about. It is something,
3:30
you know what? That not only makes you money
3:32
or whatever is a way of life, but also it's helping
3:34
others
3:34
too. Yeah. That makes me feel like
3:36
that would makes you feel like I have a purpose of some
3:39
kind of work to be able to share the people and see
3:41
it help, then that that makes you feel so happy.
3:43
Yeah. I read something somewhere and
3:45
I'm gonna see it wrong because I'm not an expert,
3:47
but it's it's like what you you
3:49
should have something that, like, feeds you saw, something
3:52
that, like, feeds you bank account, something that,
3:54
like, feeds you might you know all those things, and it sounds
3:56
Yeah. It sounds to me as though what you're doing kind
3:58
of ticks all the boxes for you, which is great.
4:00
Yeah. Okay.
4:03
So, imagine.
4:05
Right? Don't even imagine that I'm like
4:07
useless at this because I am I'm I
4:09
I wanna know more, but I I'm bit I
4:11
just don't have any knowledge of the crystals at all. So
4:14
1 you're talking to someone who knows nothing about crystals
4:17
and describes sort of, like, what
4:20
describe, like, what you think the crystal
4:22
does, like, what it's what it's different ones
4:24
have different healing
4:25
powers. Is that right? Yeah. So I mean, obviously,
4:28
to address, like, there will be a lot of kind of skeptics
4:30
about it, and that's absolutely fine. To
4:33
me, at first, I was kind of in that same boat.
4:36
But the wall to break it down into
4:38
a bit simplistic wall, if you look at, like, the
4:40
power that nature has for us on, like, daily basis,
4:42
like, look at how much we need water. Oxygen,
4:45
all these things that cover plants and just natural
4:47
forms. It doesn't seem shocking to me that rocks
4:49
should have some kind of impacts on
4:52
us as humans. And
4:55
So these are all signs that have formed
4:57
on their own through, like, billions billions of years
4:59
of a process, meaning they have, like, very
5:01
high energy in them. And they've
5:03
been used to many kind of cultures, generations
5:06
to bring about different healing powers. But, yeah,
5:09
basically, it's that Each Crystal
5:11
has its own set of energetic properties,
5:13
which then define how they can help
5:15
you in different areas of your life. Some are really good for wealth,
5:17
some are really good for
5:18
confidence, attracting love, and
5:20
that's what I found listening about it.
5:22
Oh, I'm not surprised. And listen
5:24
to me, like, I'm a I'm a firm believer
5:27
that everybody needs something to
5:29
believe in. And I absolutely don't
5:31
mind what it is, whether it's a football team,
5:34
whether it's whether it's a crystal, whether
5:36
it's a man in the sky, like, whatever
5:39
it is, like, I think it's beautiful that
5:41
people have something that brings them hope, that
5:43
brings them comfort because life can be difficult
5:45
sometimes. Can't it? Okay. And
5:48
that's how you're saying you found this, and
5:50
it brought you a lot of did it break
5:52
your focus? Yeah. Definitely.
5:54
Yeah. I think with each So when you're
5:56
kind of getting it as well, it's kind of you're
5:59
saying an intention in your mind that you're saying looking
6:01
for something or have you asked for when
6:03
you get a specific sign when you're saying, this is gonna
6:05
bring me happiness. You're also then focusing your
6:07
intention there. That's a big part
6:09
of it as
6:10
well. That is right, and that is very
6:12
clever. Thought you just picked up on there because it's
6:14
in a sense it's like manifestation, isn't
6:16
it? And again, I'm not an area that I'm really
6:19
an expert in, but we did have roxadofusión who
6:22
you know, manifesting Queen's absolutely fab.
6:24
And she really wet me, whistled,
6:27
g. Like, I've got really tired of talking about
6:29
it. Just like I am getting tired of talking about the Crystal
6:31
channel. And I think it's amazing, like, a
6:33
lot of people think manifesting
6:35
is just being like, oh, I really want bigger
6:37
house or I I really wanna
6:40
meet the Miami Dreams this year. So I'm gonna make
6:42
it happen in head. And that's not what it is.
6:44
Actually, is it? Like, it's far more than
6:46
that. And you're right. Like, the first
6:48
step is setting an intention. And if you're
6:50
going out and actively sort of
6:53
I don't know. But, like, buying Crystal, finding
6:55
more and whatever, that is specifically a happy nurse
6:57
or love or health or
6:58
whatever. That's your first step to setting that intention,
7:01
isn't it? Definitely manifesting. And this is what I've
7:03
said to everyone and why have you been getting teams like
7:05
I've never I own a crystal business. I badly
7:07
bleeding that, but I've always said that I don't think
7:09
going to bump up is gonna change your life. I really
7:11
don't think it is. I think the most powerful
7:13
tool for, like, positive change in your life and attract
7:16
some things is starts with you and your mind
7:18
and getting it in the right Easterbrook are there
7:20
simply
7:20
to, like, really amplify that journey
7:22
for you. think that's what people these understand
7:25
as well. And that's important. It
7:27
really is, but I completely understand
7:29
what is in and I can see how we can be
7:31
a step on the way to get in what you
7:33
want out of life, you know. Has
7:36
it worked for you, babe? Like, in terms of,
7:38
like, powerful manifestation, are
7:40
you, like, just look
7:42
happy, you look gorgeous, and you clearly do
7:44
more. You look so
7:45
Oh, you're welcome. Yeah. I was really scared.
7:47
Yeah. The life my life has completely
7:49
done. Is that three sixty or one eighty? I think it's
7:52
a lot eighty. I always ask myself
7:54
this question because if you went three sixty, you'd go
7:56
by the way you start. It's a week it's one eighty.
7:59
Yeah. Yeah. It's done a three sixty 1 eighty blacklit
8:02
fucking spin around, like, is I thought
8:04
you you could sit there and let you to me, like, a
8:06
few years ago. I was actually saying it's my boyfriend that
8:08
I was like, you can sit me down and be like, you're
8:10
coming on. VitchPass' podcast, and
8:13
you're talking about football, and then you're talking about
8:15
what you've done, how you've been part. As
8:17
if, like, it's it's crazy how
8:19
quickly life can come at you, but now I'm
8:21
definitely the happiest place I've ever
8:24
been, but I also feel proud of that because I feel
8:26
like I've really put in the work to get
8:28
there. And when you start from, like, in Rockwell,
8:30
I'm like, I know you're on a status. You've had I know you've
8:32
had struggles and stuff, but your mental health
8:34
and whatnot, like, you really gotta pick yourself up
8:36
on the floor. That takes a lot of fucking work. So
8:38
taking that first step is the hardest
8:40
part, but it's so rewarding in the end.
8:43
So not only do you
8:45
believe in the power of these,
8:46
like, you you chat and you talk about
8:48
it, you've all you also sell the crystals
8:51
in, like, beautiful jewelry form Yeah.
8:53
I feel like I I mean, as a
8:55
person that as ASTBTTT
8:57
committee I o, brown, and bronze, and
8:59
black. So hi.
9:02
A lot of people are on their browser. I'm not
9:04
having people at home as well, but I feel like you'll
9:06
be such a nice way to be able to
9:08
incorporate it into your daily line. And
9:11
as well as that my dad is a jeweler.
9:13
So in knockdown, actually, when I literally had
9:15
no fucking clue what I was doing, he let me come and,
9:17
like, sit him with him, like, day where can do
9:19
his table earth news at me just to make
9:22
a bit of cash to get by. And that's
9:24
kinda and this is why I was such a bad labor and everything
9:26
happens for reason because At that time,
9:28
I was so low and I was mad at her seeing some sense
9:30
of purpose. So that I've been realizing, I was like, I'm
9:32
finding my purpose. Like, this is a positive
9:35
time. And
9:37
I was looking at the cream of these neck because these
9:39
pieces of jewelry. And then I thought and I was really getting
9:41
back into the crystals at the time. I was like, wonder
9:44
if I could incorporate the two somehow and make
9:46
my own business. And obviously, I
9:48
kind of made the TikTok in the beginning to
9:50
support that, not knowing it would actually
9:52
take off. And now I've got the business, which I'd
9:54
say, feed your back cover also feeds my soul and
9:56
the TikTok side of things, which I don't make any money
9:58
for while I just do it because I purely really enjoy
10:00
it. Yeah. Is
10:03
it do crystals work better? Gee, when
10:05
they're actually on your body? Is there something
10:07
like keeping them closed to your skin? Or because your
10:09
heart are held it be, like, a constant reminder of
10:11
what you're actually wanting and No. I
10:13
I personally think so. I mean, if you wanna get
10:15
into, like, the details of it as well,
10:19
crystals depending on the shape of them as
10:21
well have very different influences. So for example,
10:23
like, a spare, like, risk adverse events,
10:25
like, feel like more connected to us, like more
10:27
fun. People use certain
10:29
crystals like towers, for example, like
10:31
the points to manifest because it's
10:34
believed that that helps focus the energy of
10:36
the crystal my necklaces,
10:38
for example, and if you can see, but they're maybe, like, no they're,
10:40
like, mini tail points. So it's, like, pulling the
10:42
energy back into
10:43
yourselves. So I designed it
10:45
all with intention of it working
10:47
the best account. We need to take it out there.
10:50
was just gonna say, like, I am such a
10:52
sucker for a lovely piece of jewelry being, and
10:54
I do I like to liaise on bikinis in
10:56
the
10:56
store. So that would be amazing. What's
10:58
your best sellout? What are people most
11:00
looking for? Well, people lovevanadium.
11:03
I think because it's massive on cyclical
11:05
eleventh. It's a big dance you like, which I love at
11:07
the moment. It's so much the generation of
11:09
empowerment and and feeling yourself
11:11
and being confident, and it's very much a stone
11:13
for that as well as moving what I've got on.
11:16
LabraduraEye as well and Malachi, which
11:18
is this type of transformation. But I think
11:20
what made these ones really successful is I always
11:23
find growing up that I didn't want these big clunky,
11:25
like it's some people stuff. It wasn't mine
11:27
that big. Hickey looking. Yeah.
11:30
But the pages and all sorts like that, they are
11:32
amazing. But I wanted things like where oh,
11:34
my night. So I haven't built lots of warm, whatever.
11:36
So that was kind of my idea in
11:39
mind.
11:39
Yeah. Oh, well, it's absolutely beautiful,
11:41
babe. So that's really the interest a no. Because when I
11:43
asked that question, I thought you were just definitely gonna
11:45
say like, oh, everyone's just after the storm,
11:47
the healthy frame, the perfect fella
11:49
or something. But It's lovely that people are after
11:52
ones that are more about empowerment and transformation.
11:54
Like, that's a really I
11:56
think that's a really
11:58
positive shift in terms of female
12:00
mindset. Do you not? Yeah. I think that's
12:03
my audience specifically. So I just because I might
12:05
like to use the fuck in. But I mean,
12:07
attracting the rights on there, I think, is an amazing
12:09
piece of stuff about about about that to the costume
12:11
on home. But at the beginning, I noticed
12:13
especially in the TikTok space that was
12:15
And I couldn't have probably grown a lot quicker how
12:17
I've gone down the path of being --
12:18
Yeah. -- how to get an ex back. How
12:21
to but it's just so not
12:23
what I sound It's
12:24
toxic in it. It is toxic.
12:26
Yeah. Exactly. And it's just I I
12:29
maybe if I ask it's pretty great. Maybe you cheated. That's
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Then. Yeah. And that's not to say,
13:26
like, you can't you can't find the person, not be
13:28
completely here, like, god knows. I found my
13:30
boyfriend now and I something all these issues
13:32
are coming up with, like, healing that I need
13:34
to do. Because I'm not old, but used to niceness.
13:37
But at least from a self sense
13:39
of self worth of knowing what you
13:41
deserve. Even if you'd actually feed it yet, you need
13:43
to know that you deserve good things.
13:46
You're so right. Is this idea, I
13:48
think, within society? And
13:51
I think we perpetuated actually as
13:53
women unknowingly. That you
13:56
are in fact half a person unless
13:58
you are loved by a significant
14:00
or that. And that's not true. Instead
14:02
of trying to find that person, a complete will
14:04
should be working on ourselves -- Yeah.
14:07
-- to become a full person,
14:09
you know? Like, and I'm not saying I'm
14:11
not saying there that we're lacking in
14:13
any sense, but we can all do with self improvement,
14:16
we can all do with growth, and whether that's expanding
14:18
more minds, whether that's traveling, whether it's,
14:21
you know, getting a bit of friendships or getting out with
14:23
comfort or whatever it is, like, we could all do
14:25
with, like, working on ourselves before. We
14:28
try to invest all of this energy in finding
14:30
a significant other because it's
14:32
nice. It's a dog that is wrong. I love her can.
14:35
Voorhees. Voorhees. So
14:38
busy gets right on me tips. But,
14:40
yeah, but I, again, same as
14:42
you made, I don't think I was I
14:45
think I was ready to meet him. think was
14:47
at a time in time in my life where
14:50
I'd experienced a bit of heartache and
14:52
gone through some some, you know,
14:55
quite quite hard times. And actually,
14:57
I'd worked on me self, was feeling strong, was
14:59
feeling confident, was feeling ready to be loved, and
15:01
that's when he came
15:02
in. Oh, wait. I suppose I think I manifested
15:04
him enough. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Well,
15:06
my conversation, I think it takes up all this stuff. It
15:08
actually made it seem really confusing, but I think
15:10
bringing it back to its simple forms. It's just
15:13
you get what the energy you put out and
15:15
it's and this is what I was doing. Like, I
15:17
was so self destructive and I really
15:19
didn't have my opinions of myself the way I
15:21
spoke to myself on a day to day basis was
15:23
so toxic and not nice, and
15:25
that's so normal for so many people.
15:28
And so the energy I'm putting out was
15:29
like, I'm not worthy of what I was attracting
15:32
men or people into my life that viewed me
15:34
the same way.
15:34
Yeah. She
15:35
treated me the same way I treated myself, and
15:37
it it sounded as true. And I think you just gotta get
15:39
to the point where talking about being so
15:42
sensitive, such as nothing is but being comfortable
15:44
on your own is a subject
15:46
to me that I was so forward to being in a relationship
15:48
so long. That when I was first single,
15:50
I was so uncomfortable being in my own presence.
15:53
I didn't know why I felt like I needed
15:55
that external validation. But just
15:57
being, like and also now, I'm in a really hard relationship,
15:59
but I'm no deep down. The if
16:01
that ended for whatever reason, I would be okay.
16:04
And I it isn't, like, like, it's not
16:06
nice, but it's not like soul crushing home and pass
16:08
away if that person I'm actually
16:10
full of
16:11
mine, and I do like my own company.
16:13
But that took a long time to get to that place.
16:15
It reminds me and I think feeling
16:19
comfortable in your own skin and up having
16:21
a sense of self worth, like, there are really
16:23
difficult things to to achieve.
16:26
Especially just because we've been
16:27
conditioned. Yeah. Not
16:29
like ourselves, you know, to be
16:31
able to do all. Yeah. And to compare exactly.
16:34
Yeah. So it's it's a really difficult
16:36
journey. And it is sometimes far easier
16:38
to just jump on a date and a half or
16:40
gone on a night out and like pull a fella
16:42
or, you know, initiate a conversation and
16:45
get the validation that way, but the
16:47
hard work, putting in the graph with yourself
16:49
is far more rewarded than spending fucking
16:52
three years with some fellow who still lives in his
16:54
mask box room once I know a song
16:56
and adds no book and idea
16:58
about his
16:58
finances. Exactly. And it's just like
17:00
that in the stratification as well as it, like,
17:02
go ahead. Yeah. Like, again, that's so fun
17:04
and that that showed you wanna do, then five
17:06
bit is when it's coming, like like I say, like, feeding
17:09
that place of luck. But
17:11
if you're
17:12
like, that is in gratification of that. I know this
17:14
is something I was so guilt for, like, ordering
17:16
that takeaway --
17:17
Yep. -- really -- Yeah. -- getting
17:19
with that guy just because instantly and
17:21
make it feel better. But then when that's all gonna done,
17:23
you I can hang out your ass the next day in
17:25
Smurface's
17:26
bed, you're like, oh, I feel shit getting
17:28
out. Like, you feel worse. Yeah.
17:30
You feel worse. Oh, You
17:32
know what, last, I feel like there'll be plenty of women
17:35
listening to this who potentially are
17:37
in some destructive cycles who
17:39
aren't living their best lives, who are trapped
17:41
in that instant gratification like
17:44
sort of mindset. What advice would
17:46
you give them
17:48
you know what, to support that cycle
17:50
to get what they deserve out of life. I think
17:53
learning more by yourself is so important and
17:55
starting from basics like what I've learned
17:57
on my journey is that your brain is
18:00
so used to comfort zone. Your brain enjoys
18:02
comfort zones. So even if they're destructive,
18:05
try to form new habits is really hard at the
18:07
beginning. And I noticed this going
18:09
to whatever new romantic
18:11
connections because my old relationship is so
18:13
distracted. My brain would try to instantly
18:15
create more limbs. Yeah. Because
18:18
that's that's what it knows. That's what it thinks
18:20
love is. Well, I see me. That was exactly
18:22
the same when I first was going out with Aircon.
18:24
I was like, well, we haven't
18:26
route, like, he's he's
18:28
not hiding his
18:29
phone.
18:30
Like, it's so Yeah. Literally, this is
18:32
me, man. It's so I fucking sat there, like, a witch
18:34
and I was like, what am I gonna cause the fact that
18:36
they were, because that's what law I thought love was
18:38
and thought love back to
18:39
her. Isn't it terrible? Yeah.
18:42
Sort of how it sounds? Even, like,
18:44
when you're trying to solve and even have, like, eaten
18:46
healthy if you're used to not or even like
18:48
recovering from eating more. Like, it's
18:50
all what you're used to. And
18:52
venturing out for that is so uncomfortable
18:55
for the brains and the savage brainers there
18:57
to help you survive. And so it's like,
18:59
is it? Keep safe? Yeah.
19:01
Yeah. So I just have to literally detach
19:04
myself from my own peaking sometimes and go,
19:06
no, this is just a chemical reaction and
19:08
I uncomfortable because
19:11
this is new and exciting, but then remind yourself
19:13
why you're doing it and keeping yourself in check
19:15
is the most important thing. But being burned
19:17
yourself along the way as well is also great.
19:20
It's it's like being the boss of your own brain
19:22
is so hard, isn't it? Yeah.
19:26
You're right. just It tries to keep you
19:28
it it thinks it's doing the right thing and tries to
19:30
keep you safe, but unfortunately sometimes those
19:32
learn toxic
19:32
behavior. Yes. We're aware for
19:35
me was just the biggest turning, but understanding
19:37
why I thought that way rather than just thinking
19:39
it may get a lot easier to cut me forward.
19:42
No. I love that. I feel like
19:44
I'm really pleased you're in a good place, Jay.
19:46
You're great. Thank you. And I feel like you are
19:48
helping women. Even just about, like, little
19:50
bit of advice there, I think that's great. Being
19:53
a boss of your own brain, convincing yourself
19:55
to get out of your complex on being kind, they're
19:57
all such such important gripets
19:59
of advice. Thank you, bitch. Who's
20:01
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