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Hey everybody

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Hey everybody and welcome to episode 551 of Vidja Game

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Apocalypse. I'm

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your host Michael Raparaz coming to you from

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Studio of the Airwaves. He's the one who

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have the studio named after you.

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Who's joining me? Love to eat

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turkey.

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You're a day late

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now. It's leftovers.

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Oh shit. Fuck. Who else?

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I'm silly. Leftovers. horde

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of demon women going

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go Matthew go Matthew

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Allen. From Oh. That's

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from the new Scott Pilgrim TV show. You're right. I

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totally forgot. And special guest our first special

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guest in weeks. Swimming in a buffet of video

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games. It's Anthony Abbott. Thank

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you for joining us once it's it's been so

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long. Where can people find you? You can

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find me on what I'm still referring

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to as Twitter and on what everyone

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should still refer to as Twitter. He doesn't

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get Twitter and on threads.

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Yeah Twitter and threads at Bruce Wayne Brady

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still gets me still good and

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sporadically on Twitch where I've been playing

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Spider-Man 2. There's shooters just

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a little bit of everything as I'm trying to catch up with all

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the amazing games that have been out this year.

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It's ridiculous. I never thought there'd

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be a time where like there's a there's

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a triple a Mario RPG remake

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that was never. ever supposed to happen and

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I'm too busy to get to something old. It's

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the biggest miracle, like, considering that's a

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square game. I'm already planning to just

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play some of these next year. Yeah.

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Yeah, they're not involved in any way in this one

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though, right? I'm sure someone

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had to sign some rights away at some point

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or some back behind

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the scenes paper had to get signed, but yeah, they're

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not involved in terms of, like, publishing this

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at all. Yeah, I wonder how you... Music, I had

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all that shakes out. I should look into this for a talk. I did see someone

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say that, like, yeah, you kind of have to go into

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the credits to find out who actually worked

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on it. Wow. Oh,

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I hope that... That's one of those things that might not

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stand the test of time, sadly, like, original

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credits. I have heard that the composer

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Chuomura, who did, like, Kingdom Hearts and other... Right.

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...soundtracks,

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they have an option where you have the original

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soundtrack on it. There's also, like,

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re-compositioned songs for, like,

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the remake that are on there, so... That's

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where it gets the most weird with music rights.

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You can... AI will always be able to

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rejigger graphics and spit

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out new code, but you can't as easily

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or legally make a new song... Like, make

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a new old song like that. Yeah. I

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think they put in, like, new compositions for it,

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so... Oh, shit. Well, I'll

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get to it when it's on sale, which it will

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never be. Well, it'll be 40,

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which, if you hang around for the second

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segment, you might hear about a bunch of things

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that are on sale, including video

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games. What? Oh, well. In

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the meantime, we do have a top five

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that is tangentially

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Thanksgiving-related. It's

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the day after Thanksgiving, American Thanksgiving,

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when you hear this. So you're

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probably in the throes of Black Friday, whatever.

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But I realize there is one strange

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trope that we have never touched

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upon, and that is the chef

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protagonist. And I'm not talking about just

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cooking games, I'm talking about action

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chefs. Talking about... Warrior

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chefs. out there and kick

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the ass sometimes anthropomorphic

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food and then maybe sometimes

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make something but not necessarily it

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really just warriors in chef's hats you

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know I get the sense that the sushi

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chef from David Diver is a warrior

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chef yes I got his a spin-off waiting

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to happen he's cuz every time he learns a new

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recipe dude like sharpens his

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knives has a very fucking cool mom he's

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an adherent of sushi dough yeah

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I'm just a chef maybe I was

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just trying to call it yes chef but I'm

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just taking under siege the whole time

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well we'll get to we'll get to something a lot like

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that in a minute in the meantime

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let's begin with

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I feel like we should just start with this one because

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it's the one everyone's expecting who knows

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anything about me I don't know

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people are that old on

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to listen to show whatever

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the last time we talked about it at least had

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flintstones in it Chris don't you have

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the arcade marquee for this game and you

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did at one point or is that different no I mean

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I mean maybe thinking of Adam Adam was

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from Paducan and podcast

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yeah he was just driving down some

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like backwoods road and saw a for

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sale burger time like outside

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on someone's porch like for sale and

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like for how much like do

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you have 700 more of these I will take all

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of them for that price and it like I

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had to do a little bit but it's the cheapest I ever

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got anything and he kept showing people this it

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can happen to you if you're willing to drive between towns

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you can find old arcade classic

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for like a hundred bucks Adam

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also can solder as

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replacement chips that's

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a little easier for him. But like, so

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we talked about it for months, I think. He got an old

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Burger Time. Arcade One Up also

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makes one. It's one of the cooler

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shaped Arcade One Ups because it's shaped like

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the Chef and Burger Time, if you remember.

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So Burger Time, classic game about

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a chef who has to walk back and

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forth between gigantic hamburger

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ingredients to drop them

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onto each other while at the same time dodging-

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Killing other hamburgers. Yeah, dodging angry

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food like eggs, hot dogs,

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things that more or less have no business being

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on or near a hamburger. Are you

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insane? I've had all of those on a hamburger

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on purpose. Yes, hot dogs is

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a little weird. But I'll let this ad sum it up. Introducing

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Burger Time, the home video game

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where you are a chef being faced by

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food that constantly disagrees with you

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like hot dogs that have a taste for

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revenge. Egg.

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Eagles that are clearing fairy power.

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Burger Time. Now for in television,

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coming this fall for Atari 2600. Burger

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Time. From Mattel Electronics. Don't

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be surprised if you were on the menu. Back

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when video games got their own theme

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songs only for commercials. Yeah.

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Mario, where are you? So

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yeah, you're playing as Chef Peter Pepper. And

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yeah, you just, you make- Is he married to Iron Man?

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Yes. Okay. Pepper.

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I get it. Yes, yeah. Yeah.

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But yeah, Burger Time strangely

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has stood the test of time pretty

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carefully. There is, I think, Burger

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Time party, I wanna say, on Switch,

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not too long ago. It has never gone

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away. I love making the joke that

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there is a licensed Flintstones Burger Time

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for a Game Boy with cutscenes.

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There is. It's amazing. Game

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Boy also got kind of its own, what

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I would call its- to Donkey Kong 94

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which is you know just a very expanded

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remake slash sequel called Burger Time Deluxe

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except that it predated Donkey Kong 94 by like three

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years. It needed it more. A little

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bit more license

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with the music here. Sound of

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a slow unfun game. I

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mean it's Burger Time so yeah. I

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don't mean to shit on this game but because I love the way it

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looks. I love the arcade art. I've

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never liked this game but I've always been aware

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of it since like an awareness of arcade.

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It's still kind of fun especially

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if like me like so I'd never played

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it when it was current. I always

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would see ads for it. I'd be curious about

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it. I don't think I played it until I was an adult

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like on an emulator and then

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like I sucked at it and it's just like

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man this game is hard. I keep dying so quickly

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and then like after coming back

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to it a few times over years

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I suddenly was like oh I

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have pepper and I can use it

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to stun enemies. That makes a world

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of difference. This game so much

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easier. How did I not know that? Did my

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arcade lack the pepper button? That

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was Super Burger Time, Hyper

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Edition. That's such a trope from TV and movies

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that like we're just so used to it like of course like

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peppers debilitating makes people like sneeze.

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At you. Until it actually

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happens to you and then it's like oh my

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god pepper

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really like I never had that happened

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until like

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one time just cooking for a little too much pepper

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and some cacio pepe. Delicious

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by the way. And yeah it I had

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a huge sneezing fit. I was like oh this isn't just like a TV

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thing. That never happened

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to me because cartoons it would always come out

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of a shaker. Right. But it's actually kind

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of difficult now to buy pepper that doesn't

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come with like a shitty grinder on the top. They

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all have grinders. What? That started happening

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like yeah man. I'm sneezy. I

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get I get very sneezy. I'm happy. Which

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door for you Michael and Anthony? Sorry?

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He said he's sneezy, I said I'm happy, I asked

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you what door he was. Oh, okay, okay. Which

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is the one that can't live on his own? Dopey. Dopey.

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Yeah. I

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can only think of Doc at the moment for some reason.

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He's the leader, he's like the headboard. He's the cult leader,

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he slept with all the doors. That's true. I

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didn't say, oh Doc, I can only think of Doc if you

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want. You must partake of my flesh to live

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with us. Oh, you must partake of my flesh

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if you want to be closer to God. I

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didn't mean to. I'm a vessel that speaks through

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him, I know! How

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did we get here? I don't know. Burger time.

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I did get it. Why Jimmy Cricket helps us

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and they guide their conscious so we can avoid things

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like this. Got a couple sequels,

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possibly the most irritating one I found

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is Super Burger Time.

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Burger Time. Ah!

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My favorite. And

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in this one, you don't walk across the ingredients

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to drop them, you have to jump up and down on

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them. And it looks like Snow

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Bros or one of those like post

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bubble bobble, not quite 16-bit arcade

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puzzle action games. I hate

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it all so much, but nowhere near

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as much of, who makes the game is it? Data

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East. Data East? They had

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the gall. Like, guys, let's quit

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fucking around. Peter Pepper is clearly one of the hottest

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characters in video games. Let's

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make a game not called Burger Time, but

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Peter Pepper's Ice Cream Factory. Like,

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the fucking, the cajones

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to think Peter Pepper was, I didn't learn his name until

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this show. Right, same. He's

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just the Burger Time Chef. They didn't even say it

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on that commercial. Yeah, Ice Cream Factory

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is a Burger Time sequel, but just from 84

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where they didn't care much about money or brand recognition.

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Unbelievable. And I hate them all.

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I don't, there is not a, is there a good Burger Time?

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Did you find one? I mean, the Game Boy 1 is

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pretty okay. The arcade one is... still

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relatively good. We

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have to remember, these aren't meant to be long,

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engaging, good games. These are meant to be things

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that vacuum quarters out of your pocket. Also

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found out that in Japan

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the original game was just called Hamburger.

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And it was released internationally

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as Burger Time. And it was

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probably to try and sneak wimpy sprites

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in there and make it part of the Popeye line. I

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did see something like, oh, in Japan it was changed

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to Burger Time for copyright

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reasons. Was somebody trying to enforce

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copyright on Hamburger? It

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was like a TV

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show, a Japanese TV show, it felt like Burger Time.

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It was that comedian that said, Hamburger,

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that's mine in Japan. Hamburger the motion picture

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came after them for royalties,

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and then Neil Hamburger got involved in

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the fight. Ah, this

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pepper over here. I can't do a good meal

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here. Leave it

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to him. Probably when copyright, it's like,

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well, it's impossible to enforce copyright

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on a hamburger, but Burger Time is

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at least a recognizable trademark.

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It's a better name, kids. It is. It's

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called Hamburger Time. It's also a good name for an unlikely

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restaurant. Super Burger

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Time is one of the most colorful games I've ever seen, just

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looking at gameplay of this. It's

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like, hey, we can do more at least graphic-wise

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here, and they threw all the colors in the burger.

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It's also my chance just to rant, like, okay,

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look, I get it if you're kosher and

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you can't do

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cheese on a burger, but people who just

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eat hamburgers, I gotta ask you

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what's going on, what's wrong with that? Like I've never,

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to myself, said, yeah, you know what, I wouldn't want in this burger,

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cheese. That would be disgusting. No

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way. I don't think

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I've... I'm not even sure I could do that. I

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don't know what a burger's like without cheese. I wonder

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if you put enough lettuce between the

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patty and the cheese, would

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it still be considered kosher? I probably shouldn't

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even ask that. Just yum. Not if it's in the same

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bite, right? It can't be in your mouth at

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the same time. Yeah, that's true. Do

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we know...we know this. It's okay, okay,

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good. But BurgerTime. BurgerTime.

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BurgerTime of... You asked me

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to vamp for more than a minute about BurgerTime. I

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asked you to bring up random shit. Yeah, even the developers

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didn't work for this long on BurgerTime. I'm ready

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to move on whatever you guys are. Well,

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I think it's funny, it's one of those franchises that never

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really went away. The original game has always been

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playable on most every system. And

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it's like, you remember when the PS1,

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or PS1 had like, like Frogger

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came back for some reason and became like a greatest

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hit? Yeah. Every arcade game

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has tried that trajectory and go

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through the strata of

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BurgerTime revamps. They're each

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one worse than the last, but you can clearly tell

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what decade it's from. Because it's

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never gone more than like, seven, nine

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years without coming out with another version. When I

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definitely feel like if you are assembling like

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an arcade of the greatest hits of

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the early 80s or whatever, like you're gonna have a BurgerTime.

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Oh, of course, yeah. Like it's very iconic. If

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you're subscribed to Nintendo Switch Online,

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you have access to at least one version

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of BurgerTime. The

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Game Boy one, but possibly there's an NES

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one in there also. I'm not about to check. They

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keep adding crazy shit to that service.

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Yeah, they do. It's

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like one of the best deals in gaming, but we never talk

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about it because like I

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kind of just said begrudgingly like, yeah,

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they just do it in such a weird way. It's like, okay,

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you keep like launching these piecemeal whenever

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you decide to. We get weird imports

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from Japan that we always wanted, but no one

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talks about it. There's like zero fanfare when that

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shit appears. Yeah, you find out when you- The more fanfare on

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your Switch, it's like, oh, you got an update to

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the Super Nintendo app. You're like, ooh, that means new games.

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Yeah, sweet. I was gonna say, you find out

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when you're waiting for something else to download and you're

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like, well, what else can I play in like five minutes?

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It's like, okay. Here we go. Ah, City Connection

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for $29. Fuck my dick.

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John Herbo. Which doesn't do that thing my fucking Xbox

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does now, which I hate, which is like, oh, you're playing

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a game right now. So we're gonna throw- internet

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download speed to like 30 minutes

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per second and the fact that that can happen

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with burger time should be more infuriating

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what's like 64 kilobytes yes

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the game you could play in the first Apple watch let's

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move on to the

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real reason people came here

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number four

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I don't want to play the porn so

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this is a little game that came out

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for 3d0 and later for

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PlayStation where you play

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as a chef who is the sole

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survivor on a ship full of space

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mercenaries they all get

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wiped out by alien hordes and only

16:53

the chef who was in cryo sleep is

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still alive to take on the hordes

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and luckily he's a grizzled veteran

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there is literally a level

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of difficulty in this game under

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siege now I get it this

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game is called P.O.D. just

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P.O.D. pissed off is

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this the I feel so alive guys they do that

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song right sure my

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bad my

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bad I sort

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of got that that must be where you were going so

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P.O.D. is actually kind of

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a creative game I was saying like I think

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the normal difficulty level

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is is just like I'm over 30

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I have arthritis in my fingers I

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can play a shooter

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game so it's weird to

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see a game like this now but it was

17:45

a doom knockoff essentially it's

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it's from the pre polygon

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era of first-person shooters

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rumor shooter it's very

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much well can you call it a boomer shooter

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if it was made by actual boomers it's

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an 90s? Do

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we not retroactively call games like Doom, Boomer

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Shooters? For some reason I attribute it to

18:07

Quake and Above for some reason. I don't know why. I

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think of Boomer Shooters as like the deliberate throwbacks.

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No, it's

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not a Boomer Shooter if it was actually made in

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the 90s. But

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called P.O.D. Yeah, P.O.D.

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So this was inspired by, I was

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reading about it, inspired by Doom and Marathon

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and Dark Forces

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and they said like, well we want to make a game like that,

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but we don't want to confine

18:35

people to corridors because that's boring.

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So their whole thing was like we want to make these

18:40

big wide open levels where

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you can find a jetpack eventually

18:44

and you can just sort of float around

18:47

like that and so you know it's like

18:49

a big open cube with like

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a bunch of architecture. And I would

18:53

imagine that a lot of early 2D

18:56

first person shooters didn't do that because

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that's probably a huge drain on memory

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to have to render all that shit. But

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they pulled it off okay, the 3DO version

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I think got a lot of criticism in part because

19:08

the textures were either like way too

19:10

detailed, like too much intricacy,

19:13

but also really low resolution. So

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as like with the level geometry

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you could barely tell what things were

19:20

or where you were. PlayStation

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improved that a little bit, but the game

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is basically you're fighting against aliens who

19:27

look like an ass that's

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walking backwards at you. A.P.

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McGee on a boat. Yeah basically A.P. McGee

19:35

they unleash fork clams at you. Looks

19:37

like a 3D version of that stupid enemy from

19:39

the first Ninja Turtles game that was just legs.

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Yeah, yeah. You know you watch

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a movie and there's a clearly fake

19:46

video game made for the movie. This

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looks like it was cut out of the movie toy.

19:52

It looks that good and bad at the same

19:55

time. Like a lot of effort went into

19:57

making, a lot of effort went into making this look like a

19:59

real video game. game, but your brain won't believe

20:01

it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Watch a playthrough and you'll be like,

20:03

oh, this is clearly a clip from a movie.

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Yeah. You wanted it. This is from some...

20:08

Shiki BBC comedy show that used way

20:10

too much blackface in the early 2000s. Thank

20:12

you. That's the thing. But

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yes, you are a chef in this, of course,

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so you have some unorthodox

20:19

weapons for a first-person shooter. Your very

20:21

first starting weapon is... guess? Guess

20:24

what it is? A pan! Frying pan. And

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this is you, kiss the pan! I'm

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gonna get a spatula. I want it to be a spatula.

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Then you wouldn't get that satisfying dong. That would

20:36

be creative, yes, you get a satisfying dong from

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the frying pan. The next... Someone

20:41

isolate those clothes, please. That's

20:43

a throwback, man. Yeah, that is. That's

20:46

an accidental throwback. Call back to our old show. You then get

20:48

meat-cleavers that you have an unlimited supply

20:50

of and can throw. And one thing I

20:53

really like about this era of video...

20:55

of first-person shooters is that technically

20:58

there's no up or down, so it

21:01

will auto-aim for you if something is like

21:03

far down below in a pit somewhere. Just

21:06

what you want in a first-person shooter. What am

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I... what am I... Oh, it's aiming for me. Yeah,

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if I have to... if it has to look this ugly

21:13

and incomprehensible, it damn well better

21:15

at least aim for me. Yeah. I

21:18

can see it. I can see it. Mm-hmm. But

21:21

then you gradually work your way up to, of course,

21:23

bigger and better weapons. There's machine

21:26

guns and shotgun

21:28

cannons and guided rockets,

21:30

which is kind of neat.

21:43

So the

21:46

harp sound is like, oh, here's an item I

21:48

can pick up. And I was not

21:50

expecting to see, again, a rarity

21:52

for this era of first-person shooters.

21:55

A guided rocket where, like,

21:58

the camera attaches... to the rocket

22:00

and then you fly it around. Some

22:03

Metal Gear singer action happening

22:05

this early. Even looking at the gameplay,

22:07

the way you go around corners is a little

22:10

more modern than in something like Doom. You

22:13

kind of lean into corners a little bit. It's

22:16

very floaty because you are supposed

22:18

to ideally have a jetpack at

22:21

all times. So you will kind of just hover

22:23

along the ground once you get it and

22:26

then you can just sort of jam

22:28

on it at any time. It will jet you straight

22:30

up and then it will drop once you release

22:33

the button. So you kind of have to fan the button. It's

22:37

PO! PO! My

22:40

favorite part of looking at the gameplay is I can't

22:42

tell if these are supposed to be demons or

22:44

heihachi from Tekken with rockets

22:46

on his arms that you are fighting. I think

22:48

that one specifically is like if

22:51

you take a close look you realize it's a woman in

22:54

a bikini with cannons

22:56

on her arms and a weird Valkyrie

22:58

helmet. But can be confused

23:00

with heihachi. She

23:03

was falling into a volcano at the time. It's very

23:06

low-risk. It's uncanny. She

23:09

had a condition on the top of her head. It's

23:11

fine. She just has a weird ring of hair.

23:15

She's wearing Jughead's hat backwards. I don't

23:17

know how you do that. Damn it.

23:20

I don't mind. PO'd! PO'd!

23:23

It's a game that exists. So is our...

23:26

Number 3!

23:27

The Ring Endorca...

23:39

Sounds like a water level. It

23:41

does, doesn't it? This is a late-stage

23:44

NES game. Came out in 1992

23:46

when we all had the Super Nintendo and didn't care

23:48

anymore. Made by Taito. Any

23:52

guesses? We talked about

23:54

it. Panic at

23:56

the restaurant. Panic! At the restaurant,

23:59

yeah. Panic restaurant for

24:01

any s uh actually a

24:04

really fun Well-made

24:06

little game as a lot of late

24:09

lifespan And yes games were like

24:11

I would put this up there with like Metalstorm

24:14

and battle toads for games that I look

24:16

at it's like I did not remember any s games

24:18

animating this well or this smoothly

24:21

Every everything this period became cult

24:24

because of how good it

24:26

could be at making an NES game Cuz what is it like

24:28

one year into the Super Nintendo? Yeah, something

24:31

like that. Yeah, Super Nintendo was like 91 92 Yeah,

24:34

like technically emulation was closer

24:37

The NES is a day so like

24:39

people really cracking the system open you get a ton

24:42

of cool games that era that just get Lost Darkwing

24:44

Duck comes to mind. Oh, yeah little Samson

24:47

But what I love about it is how people

24:50

my age might be able to carbon-date

24:52

it just by looking at it

24:54

The cover

24:55

is very much of like the play it loud

24:58

garish who would want to look at this Super

25:01

Nintendo era it's

25:04

so Mercilessly ugly and

25:06

unappealing screaming old man

25:08

chef. Yeah with it with with

25:11

an NES red part to let

25:13

you know Panic restaurant. Yeah, just

25:15

in case you thought this was for a better system, but

25:18

wildly playable. Yeah, very playable

25:21

It's still super fun. You're a chef

25:23

named cookie who hits things with a frying

25:25

pan You can get bigger like spoons

25:28

and like a pogo stick fork I

25:30

guess it's more of a spork to bounce around

25:32

on it is a fairly I was

25:35

about to say challenging It's not really a challenging

25:37

game. It's pretty easy to just run

25:39

through and bash it I guess there are some tricky

25:41

bits where enemies will like ambush you

25:43

as you're coming up a ladder just memorize

25:46

where they're coming from It's got cool

25:48

little bonus round things that you

25:50

can you can get sidetracked by like

25:52

Oh grab all these eggs

25:55

with a frying pan or use

25:57

a grabby hand to grab

25:59

fish as they're jumping out of a river or whatever.

26:02

The strange thing about this game is, of course,

26:04

you're a chef, you run a restaurant called

26:07

Eaton, which I'm thinking

26:09

is maybe a pun on Eaton, but,

26:11

uh... You should call it East of Eaton.

26:13

Mm-hmm. There you go. That would

26:15

be clever. But it gets taken over by an

26:18

evil rival chef named O'Dove,

26:21

like O-H-D-O-V-E.

26:23

And I was like, what the fuck kind of name is that?

26:25

And I found out, reading Wikipedia, that

26:28

of course, in the Japanese

26:30

version, the evil chef was called Ordurve,

26:34

and somehow that got mistransliterated

26:37

to O'Dove. Somebody

26:40

who's never been to a party with appetizers,

26:43

I guess. My only favorite thing

26:45

about that Andrew Dye Sculley Ford

26:47

Fairlane movie, he walks in, someone

26:49

has a tray of shit, he's like, oh, horse

26:52

divorce! I

26:54

still say horse divorce, it's too good.

26:57

I had to look up how to spell it the other day, I was

26:59

having you guys, I'm like, how the fuck do you spell that term

27:01

again? It's not easy. And I couldn't find that

27:03

clip of the internet to send back to you, so it's been fucking

27:06

excruciating and I can't go hear it, because no

27:08

one liked that movie enough to capture the magic.

27:11

No, no, you can't let a good Dice Man joke go on. Oh!

27:13

What was the thing from Crossball? I don't call them Ordurves,

27:16

I call them Hoardwarves. Hoardwarves.

27:19

Hoardwarves. Hoardwarves. That

27:22

sounds like my father's gatekeeper. Hoard

27:24

divorce. Hoard divorce. Hoardwarves.

27:27

I'm sure Peter Jackson will make that movie eventually. He

27:30

did make a movie with a

27:32

cookie in Ting Kong. Oh,

27:34

that's right. That's true. Yeah. Is

27:37

that Andy Serk's character? Yes, sorry, yes, I said Gollum at the

27:39

same time. Ah, okay. Yes.

27:42

So, Panacra, it's pretty great. I don't have much

27:44

to say about it other than, yes, this is one

27:47

of the best games unequivocally

27:49

to have a chef protagonist. It kind

27:52

of looks like a reskinned Wario

27:54

Man game. Well, it looks like, I think, another

27:57

game we're going to talk about. Yeah, it's got similar vibes,

27:59

but you know, it's a good game. Yeah, like that all the

28:01

enemies are food that apparently after

28:03

O-Dove took over your restaurant all the food

28:06

rebelled Oh, and you know was

28:08

worried about the new management So it all

28:10

went crazy all of the bosses are

28:12

like giant pieces of food like

28:15

a giant hamburger that throws its buns

28:17

around Or like a stovetop

28:19

popcorn popper that you hit and it explodes

28:21

and sends popcorn all over the place that you have to

28:23

dodge Yeah, it's it's

28:26

neat. It's got a cool aesthetic. It's got a cool

28:28

look I recommend Checking

28:30

this out if you can but let's

28:33

move on to something a little meatier People

28:37

of Victoria I Struggled

28:39

with the choice for today's theme ingredient

28:41

for weeks before it came to me during

28:43

meditation One

28:46

of King Heinrich's favorite monsters

28:48

to hunt and eat Charging

28:51

across the plains and forests

28:53

in dangerous herds bow

28:56

run I I Love

29:00

Love the off-brand Iron

29:02

Chef that this game is clearly

29:04

going for yeah yeah, I picked

29:07

this up pretty instantly a couple years ago

29:09

just because uh Adult

29:11

Swim Games was kind of on a roll and This

29:14

is is this battleship brigade. This is battleship

29:16

brigade battleship brigade. I Have

29:19

never been able to scratch the itch of the original

29:22

puzzle quest This is

29:24

kind of the closest It's been even

29:26

think up to including other puzzle quest

29:28

games, which are just the same but

29:30

I kind of interesting way to make a

29:33

fun RPG out of Simple

29:35

puzzles and then turn it into this Grand

29:39

Iron Chef tournament. Yeah, I bought

29:41

it years ago And I never touch it until

29:43

doing the research for this and I kind

29:45

of regret that because it is Surprised

29:48

it is really good like the

29:50

the setup like like you said, it's an RPG

29:53

but like These cooking battles

29:55

have multiple phases one where you have

29:57

to like go out into a size-

30:00

scrolling platform level and actually

30:02

hunt like you have to kill monsters. Those

30:05

monsters then will drop meat and

30:07

other stuff and ingredients. There's also carnivorous

30:09

plants that you can kill for you know more veggie

30:12

infused dishes. You take that back

30:14

into your kitchen and then you can drop

30:16

the ingredients into a pot

30:19

and they take the form of flavor

30:22

crystals which and it becomes like a match

30:24

three game where you rotate groups

30:27

of four to line up three

30:29

at a time and then make bigger crystals and

30:31

the more flavor crystals you can pack in the

30:33

better the score. The better your stride

30:36

five gum becomes. And

30:44

so you can get you know a bunch of different pots

30:46

that like this pot will let you combine

30:49

two of like a blue crystal

30:51

instead of having to get three and or

30:54

or you can you know buy different

30:56

ingredients that you can just throw into flavor

30:58

mix

30:59

and the whole time you're advancing a story

31:01

about this young woman who works

31:03

with her family restaurant but she dreams

31:06

of running off and joining the battleshelf brigade

31:09

which go out and find and cook food

31:11

for people. Seems like a really inefficient

31:13

system but yeah yeah and

31:16

it was my only real problem with the game after

31:18

a while is just that like there's

31:20

so many cut scenes in it it takes you kind of a way

31:23

to hold on these

31:25

have lost their charm after a dozen or so hours

31:28

when can I play the game again and but

31:31

it is kind of half of what the game is it's

31:33

these funny silly dialogue sequences.

31:35

Yeah yeah and I think the the centerpieces

31:38

of course the Iron Chef knockoff

31:40

that they've got a guy named Chairman Common

31:43

who like just gives all these grandiose

31:45

speeches like the one you heard about

31:48

chairman Steve yeah about the yes

31:50

that's who he's knocking off not chairman

31:52

Kaga. Chairman

31:55

Steve grandiose speeches about the various

31:57

ingredients and also does

32:00

the same when he's introducing the various

32:02

chefs. Lieutenant Spoon, Lieutenant

32:05

Court, if you would please return to your station

32:07

until it's time for your matches. A

32:11

former soldier turned brigadier, Lieutenant

32:13

Knight is equally adept at satisfying

32:16

discerning pallets and disarming

32:18

enemies. They

32:20

call her the Judge's Downfall,

32:24

on behalf of the Brigade Committee and all

32:26

of Dictuja. VIVA BLABRIGUE!

32:29

Yes, and of course you need to satisfy

32:32

the pallets of various celebrity judges

32:34

who are there who are either people

32:36

just from the game world that you can do jobs

32:39

for or, you know, like, oh, they're bringing

32:41

in this random character that they've never mentioned before.

32:44

And oh, this one really likes dishes

32:47

with a lot of water in them, so

32:49

be sure you work in that ingredient.

32:53

Did you see that Not Mr. Show sketch

32:55

that was... Oh, Bob

32:58

and David, it was a cooking show and like, you'll have to

33:01

cook with these special ingredients. First, a cup

33:03

of water. Next ingredient,

33:05

shark. Third ingredient,

33:08

another cup of water. That

33:12

was all they got. A

33:15

cup of water. But

33:21

it helps with the, like, every

33:23

piece of this works pretty well

33:25

on its own. Like, the action is

33:27

a lot of fun, the puzzle stuff

33:29

is a lot of fun, and like you said,

33:32

yeah, the chatty bits do

33:34

sort of wear out their welcome, but they give a good

33:36

framework to the, you know,

33:38

the game world. Part of its charm, it's like, but the only

33:41

reason I didn't, like, devour and finish this game

33:43

immediately, because for

33:45

the first couple hours was so fucking charming.

33:48

I'm like, I thought this might be a game of the year. But

33:50

then, you know, the puzzles aren't

33:54

that deep and the

33:56

cutscenes become not as cute, but it's like six

33:59

bucks now, which... You know, it's way less than I initially

34:01

paid for it. Absolutely buy it if you can. It's

34:03

that little.

34:04

This is one of the many games I got for free during the

34:06

pandemic from one of the services. Might've

34:09

been epic, but it's like, yeah, I just gotta go

34:11

take time to go play it.

34:14

It's been out there. I might've gotten it free from Amazon.

34:16

You know how they have all those Amazon-type games.

34:18

Oh, right, yeah. Totally possible. And a

34:20

great Switch game, but going on the go game and

34:22

everything. Oh, sure. It's

34:25

beautifully animated, too, the artwork. Oh, yeah. It's

34:27

like just gorgeous. It's all hand-drawn,

34:30

looks super nice. Yeah,

34:32

the battles again are really fluidly animated.

34:35

It's a lot of fun. It's like right up there with

34:37

vanillaware in terms of like really

34:40

nice high-res 2D. But

34:43

you know what's really up there in terms of

34:45

nice high-res 2D. You can hear me.

34:48

Yeah.

34:59

Oh, yeah. That

35:09

song is like almost an Italian stereotype,

35:12

right? It is 100% an Italian

35:15

stereotype. You know what else is an Italian stereotype?

35:17

The name of the character, main character

35:19

in this game, is Papino Spaghetti.

35:23

He runs a pizza shop. I

35:26

think I fought him in Punch-Out. Yeah. I

35:29

think that might be an Italian name for a dick, a

35:31

Papino. Let's be honest with you. Oh,

35:34

my God. I just got, I looked at my Italian

35:37

dick and it all became clear. Papino

35:40

Spaghetti is a chef

35:42

who looks like if Courage the Cowardly Dog

35:45

was a human pizza chef. And

35:48

he is threatened by Mr. Pizza

35:50

Face, an anthropomorphic talking pizza

35:53

that threatens to destroy his

35:55

pizza shop with a nuclear laser from the

35:57

top of his pizza town. and

36:01

now you know why it's wrong. It

36:03

tricked us because that is like the most mellow

36:06

relaxed clip you'll ever hear from that

36:08

game because once you start playing Pizza Tower

36:10

it is non-stop mayhem. Most

36:13

of the time it sounds more like this. Just

36:35

crazy cacophony, lots of shit going

36:37

on. It's one of the fastest

36:40

moving platformers I've ever played. To

36:42

the point where at times I'm like, am

36:44

I too old to keep up with this game? It

36:47

is kind of a demanding platformer in a lot of

36:49

ways. It requires you to use the boost. And

36:53

it's like, you know, it used

36:55

some of the Sonic skills but it's mostly Wario

36:58

land. Yeah, it's

37:01

heavily, heavily inspired by Wario

37:03

Land 4 especially. But like,

37:05

you'd never seen one of those games with like 4K

37:08

visuals and 60 frames a second or 100 frames a second.

37:12

So like, still, this is a

37:14

really early success story in the year. But it almost

37:17

sort of like looks like movies.

37:20

It's like, it almost looks like an MTV

37:23

interstitial from the 90s. Fucked

37:27

up cartoons and puppets and shit. It

37:31

looks like a liquid television game. It looks

37:34

rad. I love the way it looks. It looks

37:36

like it was pulled out of the 90s aesthetically

37:38

but there's no way that the tech would have been good enough

37:40

to make a game run this fast and smooth back there.

37:43

No, no. And like, everything is super

37:45

expressive, super well animated.

37:49

And it really is about like, you

37:51

can just play this and explore

37:54

and play it like a typical platformer and

37:56

go slow if you're lame. But

37:59

like, a lot of people are like, this is building up the skills

38:01

to move very fast.

38:03

He will dash, and the longer you dash,

38:06

the more speed builds up. He'll

38:08

start getting after images behind him,

38:10

he'll start having a force

38:12

field at front, and he can

38:14

just smash you anything. Iron blocks,

38:17

rocks, whatever. A big

38:19

part of the level design is just finding

38:22

places like, oh, here's a secret area I can just

38:24

smash right through, create a tunnel,

38:26

and there's a bunch of goodies on the other side.

38:29

So you're running around grabbing

38:32

pizza ingredients, rescuing

38:34

anthropomorphic pizza ingredients from

38:37

cages, and that

38:39

contributes to your score at the end of the level. And

38:42

then once you grab everything

38:44

and you find the item at the end,

38:47

then you have to run through the level backwards

38:49

on a timer because it's on a self-destruct

38:52

thing. So you have to get

38:55

through as quickly as possible. If you

38:57

don't, Mr. Pizza Face will show up and

38:59

kill you. He's basically like Evil Otto from

39:01

Berserk. Shaped the same way in everything.

39:04

But yeah, it's nuts. It's hectic.

39:06

It's super chaotic. There's actually a lot

39:09

of different mixes of gameplay as

39:12

you progress. There's

39:14

at least one level where you turn into a ghost. You

39:16

can get guns at certain points and

39:19

just blast shit. You also

39:21

can switch characters. You can instead play

39:24

as Gustavo and brick the

39:26

giant rat that he rides around on. Can

39:30

I get the little piano interest?

39:48

So Gustavo

39:50

is

39:50

like the secondary chef who looks like

39:53

much rounder and slightly smaller, little

39:55

bit more mellow than Papino, and

39:57

he'll actually appear like when you're escaping a level.

40:00

They'll just kind of like wave you through saying this way.

40:02

It's this way when you switch over to him Like

40:04

he's not a character that runs very

40:06

fast He's a character that rides around on the back

40:08

of a giant rat holding a little piece of

40:10

cheese on a fishing pole And he can

40:13

hop off the rat and kick it into enemies.

40:16

It's a nice nice little change of pace But this is

40:18

this is like a wildly varied game There's

40:21

just a shit-ton going on

40:23

in Pizza Tower and it's it's

40:25

one that I kind of Underestimated

40:27

at first I think when it first came out and

40:30

talked about it in the new releases like yeah It looks

40:32

kind of ugly actually on purpose. Yeah,

40:34

it is on purpose, but it is a like

40:37

Wonderfully like kind of a strangely

40:40

ugly character again looks like if courage

40:42

the cowardly dog was a person It looks

40:44

like if class key Chupo made Microsoft

40:47

Bob Yeah, exactly I was thinking about

40:49

the classic Chupo. Yeah Like

40:52

animated at like 120 frames per

40:54

second. I thought it was hilarious just cuz like It

40:58

it made me nostalgic for something different which is

41:00

really dumb But Michael can sort of relate to it

41:02

because it came out I hope it gets considered

41:06

in the award stages for a lot of outlets

41:08

game of the year Because it premiered

41:10

in early January This

41:13

year. Yeah, some recency bias

41:15

is gonna get this one overlooked for sure

41:18

Well, I just I remember if you were reading like

41:21

right now our highest Let's

41:23

see if let's see if this new Resident Evil has what

41:25

it takes to dethrone our highest rated game of the

41:27

year Pizza Tower there was a

41:29

lot of tongue-in-cheek stuff like that because of

41:31

the first couple of months Pizza Tower

41:33

was every outlets highest rated game at like solid 9

41:36

9 and 10 and

41:38

I'm John year once it's kicked in well

41:41

I'm more shocked at like how

41:43

come some console didn't back

41:45

up Just like a small pickup

41:48

truck Ford f-150 worth of money like

41:50

help get this up to go somewhere else that happened

41:53

Yeah, I'm PC. So I played this other

41:55

friends. I can't play this on any my pieces would be the

41:57

choker podcast This would be the perfect

41:59

game past

41:59

title.

42:00

Yeah, man. Why isn't it happy

42:02

yet? It might work on the one I sent you. Who knows?

42:05

Um, yeah. It might. I don't know. We'll see.

42:07

Yeah. Worth a shot. Anyway,

42:09

that has been our top five. Action

42:12

Chefs, I guess we'll call it. Um.

42:14

Actually, I was saying Warrior Chef because

42:17

I am finishing off, uh, Sea

42:19

of Stars and they, they had that actual term

42:21

in the game for one of the characters. Warrior Chef. Warrior

42:23

Chef. Yeah. Also considered, there was that

42:26

character, Gourmand from Power Stone 2.

42:28

He's an evil chef. You

42:31

know, you know, all those evil chefs like Jimmy Pesto,

42:34

and it turns into a T-Rex when

42:37

he powers up. Do you see Jimmy Pesto's back

42:39

on Bob's version? Yeah. A different voice

42:41

actor. It's the best voice

42:44

actor. The guy who can do all the Looney Tunes

42:46

characters with no pitch shifting, which Mel

42:48

Blanc used. Eric, uh, what's

42:50

his name? I forget. Buzz

42:53

something. This has been the year

42:55

of like problematic people being replaced

42:58

on TV shows by soundalikes.

43:00

Except in the case of Solar Opposites, they got

43:03

a guy who sounds completely different. You're telling me,

43:05

Michael, I'm just a little too deep right now to

43:07

be confused for who I'm impersonating.

43:12

I just want some indie dev out there to maybe

43:15

get some kind of passion like I have for

43:17

the movie The Last Dragon. And could someone make a game

43:19

just called like Daddy Green's Pizza or

43:21

something like that? Yeah. It's

43:23

all I'm asking for. Give me a Daddy Green pizza. You are the

43:26

hero of the globe.

43:29

I, I, when I was in Iceland,

43:32

that is the only thing I brought back an imported

43:34

copy of The Last Dragon on file.

43:38

I wonder how much it would cost to license that.

43:41

The answer is probably more than anyone

43:43

is willing to pay. I, I

43:45

think, yeah, well, Barry

43:48

Gordy was notoriously good with sharing his,

43:51

sharing his wealth and licensing piece. Maybe

43:55

we'll see. I don't think so. I hope

43:57

so. All these games, well, most

43:59

of the These games are great. Play Pizza

44:02

Tower if you've got a PC

44:04

for it. Anyway, that's been our top five.

44:06

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44:09

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44:11

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44:13

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yeah, that's right. I think this is the last movie

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have some DNA of people who worked

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in National Lampoon Magazine. And now

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46:35

gonna dive straight into... Persona 5

46:44

Tactica came out last week.

46:47

It's on Xbox Game Pass if you

46:50

have that. It is. I don't

46:52

know remember the story I told you this weekend I'm going

46:54

with my dad to replace a tire

46:56

and he's like, hey

46:58

son what do you heard about this Atlus

47:01

Persona 5 Tactica?

47:03

Like shut up. What? What

47:06

the fuck? Why is my dad asking me about this?

47:08

Have you played the Persona 5? Like yes.

47:11

Am I having a shit megami ten? How

47:13

mainstream is this? Show him the

47:15

dick demon dude. My

47:18

dad drove me to like maybe I should

47:21

check out this tactics thing if my 75 year

47:23

old father... Why

47:26

did he know about it? Did you ever get to the bottom

47:28

of that? I think we had to track it down.

47:32

He has a Washington Post subscription and he loved it. I

47:34

think our local town kind of got their

47:36

weekend section sucks and he always likes to read about

47:38

what's coming out. But it

47:41

is kind of you know notable for this show beyond

47:43

my anecdote. Yeah he's

47:45

forced to read about new games like Persona 5

47:48

Tactics. Something which would have been the

47:50

op... like not very mainstream

47:53

three console generations ago. Like deep

47:56

weeb shit. But now he's reading about it in the

47:58

Washington Post. and posts

48:00

probably written by somebody we know. Probably.

48:03

Yeah.

48:04

See, I was thinking he read about it or heard about

48:06

it in some article covering Game Pass because

48:09

it's one of those day one Game Pass games,

48:11

which is

48:12

sort of a big get for Microsoft.

48:15

It's one of their big gets. A

48:17

huge get for a series that took a year

48:19

to be localized, then cost a shitload,

48:21

never went on sale and released multiple versions.

48:23

Now it's hitting day one for no extra cost. Hell

48:26

yeah. I should say, by the way, so I work for Sega, though

48:28

I do not work on the Persuasion. You work for Atlas? I'm

48:31

amazed he went with Atlas. When

48:33

Atlas was like... He

48:37

literally said Altus, but like, Atlas

48:39

is funnier. Altus. That's his favorite

48:42

novel, Atlas Shrow. Yeah, it really is.

48:44

You can't stop talking about it. I'm about to stab

48:46

him. It was written

48:48

by famous author Anne Rind. Anne

48:51

Rind. Anne Rind. I think it's pronounced

48:54

On-Rind, Lady On. On-Rind. So

48:57

that's a Persona 5 joke, Har-Hark. So

49:00

Persona 5 Tatica, it is another

49:02

sequel to Persona 5. Go

49:05

to Direct Sequel. It's story-wise.

49:07

Is it a Direct Sequel to

49:09

the Musou game? You know, it

49:11

does not seem to address the events of the Musou

49:14

game. Yeah, Strikers, thank you.

49:17

I think they just sort of both follow

49:19

sometime after the events of the game.

49:22

Hey, Joker, remember that time he killed like a million

49:24

people? It was so cool. I

49:29

mean, in terms of like Musou games, like it doesn't throw a kajillion

49:32

enemies at you. It does a lot, but not normal level.

49:35

It just kind of uses the Musou gameplay to

49:37

create what is actually a pretty good action RPG.

49:40

Oh, it's Strikers' style. And

49:43

so Tatica is like,

49:45

it's little super deformed versions

49:48

of the characters. You might say Chibi. Yeah,

49:50

Chibi, it's a very cute art style, but

49:53

it works. But yeah, it's not like, oh, this

49:55

is a parallel universe

49:57

with the cute versions of the characters.

50:00

it's the same universe. But

50:03

they stumble into

50:05

the cafe where they have their headquarters, Le

50:07

Blanc, is suddenly transported to

50:09

another world, and this other

50:11

world appears to be like, what if Lidsville

50:14

was engrossed in the French

50:16

Revolution? Why do we understand

50:19

the Lidsville references? I don't know. We're both

50:21

too young for that? People with giant hats

50:23

for heads. Didn't

50:25

Marty Croft like, detear

50:28

show, which for some reason I burned

50:30

all the DVDs from the library 25 years

50:32

ago, still got them. Lidsville.

50:35

Funnily enough with the art styles,

50:37

they all just end up kind of looking like Morgana. Morgana

50:42

looks exactly the same, even

50:44

in cat form. He's

50:46

not like a cuter version of his cat form. He

50:48

looks like a cat. But

50:51

so the actual action is,

50:54

actually reminds me a lot of Mario

50:56

Plus Rabbids Sparks of Hope in that

51:00

it does the thing where you have free

51:02

movement within a radius, and it

51:05

still has the grid, but you're not

51:07

tied to, oh, I have to go from square to

51:09

square. You can just move around freely, and then

51:11

you sort of find your angle, and you set

51:14

up behind cover, and you open fire.

51:16

And yeah, you can attack.

51:19

Obviously, it

51:21

doesn't have quite the same degree

51:23

of freedom of movement that Sparks of Hope has, where

51:26

you can't slide into enemies, you can't jump off

51:28

your teammates, at least not as far

51:30

as I am in the game. You

51:32

can do melee attacks that will knock enemies

51:35

around, and you, of course, have your personas, which

51:37

have various devastating abilities.

51:40

That's what I then, and this is most

51:42

interesting about this game, is

51:44

how do you add literally,

51:47

I think there's 100 plus personas in 5,

51:51

how do you add all of those in a tactical combat

51:53

setting? That introduces a lot of fun options.

51:56

Yeah, you can mix and match. I'm not sure

51:58

how I got the ones that I had. I know

52:00

that I have a bunch and you can still do the fusion

52:02

thing Where you'd like here sacrifice

52:05

these two personas to make a more powerful persona.

52:07

Yeah. Yeah I know I was gonna

52:09

check it out this week But somebody for game

52:12

of the year discussions had me playing another

52:14

tactics game that

52:16

is an RPG with tactical battle

52:18

Bitch, it does the same rate of movement horseshit

52:22

It's certainly I mean it made me that it does more

52:24

we're gonna get there for I know but I know but I'm what I'm

52:26

saying Is like a I asked Michael

52:28

how do you like it is like I was like

52:31

I'll check this out If it doesn't

52:33

operate like a persona game where I have to wait

52:36

through an hour of cutscenes Little

52:38

bit of gameplay another hour of cutscenes There

52:40

are a lot of cutscenes and I was like damn

52:43

What's the point of this if not just to like

52:45

streamline it and make it just raw

52:48

combat the whole time But it's different. I

52:50

mean to be fair the

52:52

story persona games is pretty good. No, no

52:55

If I'm not clear I really like the persona

52:58

games came on with four golden love five one

53:00

of my favorite games the year came out but

53:02

I Didn't have the time to

53:04

sit through two hours of cutscenes and tutorials

53:07

and the only thing I didn't like about Persona is I wasn't

53:10

able to do like half the shit it introduced me to until

53:12

it was ready for me to do it Like I'll remember

53:14

that fun thing Oh, you gotta you gotta get through like

53:16

school and now exams and

53:19

eventually you can get to take down like seven

53:21

molestie coaches before we'll ever let you have

53:23

your own burger at a cafe or go

53:25

to bed when you want and Was

53:30

like a fuck this is the same

53:33

it's else world do whatever you want But just to hear

53:35

like I can't just jump into this and cuz

53:37

I love love the persona combat I

53:39

love that shit like persona five. It's

53:42

really good once it gets going But yeah,

53:44

they're like and and it's it's so

53:46

easy to forget about that aspect of persona

53:49

five or it's just like Yeah, it takes a long

53:51

time to get off the ground and there are long stretches

53:53

where you don't get to do what you want I

53:55

don't know about the second thing with tactic.

53:58

I do know that like yeah, it's starts off

54:00

very slow, you know, these very controlled

54:02

battles. It's like, move to this exact

54:04

spot and shoot this exact enemy. Okay,

54:07

good. Now do it again with Morgana.

54:10

Good. We gave you a slayed

54:13

trophy, a quartz trophy, the

54:15

worst trophy. Sub-bronze. Michael,

54:19

I'm assuming you're playing this on your Xbox, right?

54:21

Yeah. Okay, so I got, again,

54:24

second play, I got it on Switch, because this to

54:26

me is, for tactical games in general, sort

54:28

of perfect Switch games, because

54:29

if you take them on the go, and it's like, I'm just going to play

54:32

through one or two battles and then

54:34

put the sucker away. You know, like,

54:36

I do like that that's an option, that it is also

54:38

one Switch. Yep.

54:41

So yeah, it's pretty fun. I

54:43

recommend it if you're a fan of Persona,

54:45

you will probably enjoy it. Also,

54:48

you get to recruit a politician who's like, completely

54:50

lame at first, and it's like, I can't believe

54:53

that the Phantom Thieves were just

54:55

a bunch of delinquent kids all along.

54:57

Oh, you should be ashamed of yourselves, the chaos

55:00

that you've sown through society. I'm

55:02

the young, hip face of Japanese politics

55:05

now. And by the end of the game. You,

55:07

that joker, what day is it to Christmas? Fuck yourself up there. Yay,

55:09

I can still kill more. It's Christmas, Senpai. It's

55:11

Christmas, Senpai. That's what they're doing

55:14

in their mind. They're

55:23

literally implanting, Carl, taking

55:25

off the crystal. Everybody's

55:30

just going to be coding. You're going to the mine palace

55:33

and just go, boop. We can't go up over it's Christmas,

55:35

Senpai. Honestly,

55:38

it just broke me. If they put

55:40

out Christmas Carol DLC for

55:42

one of the Persona 5 games, that would be a master

55:44

stroke. I think, unless

55:47

I'm incorrect, guys, I still think the best

55:50

actual Christmas game still is Dead Rising 4.

55:53

Somebody needs to come for Dead Rising 4's Modern

55:56

Throne, make a really dope

55:58

all-Christmas set game.

55:59

Do you remember buying that on Steam like a

56:02

year or two ago for like five dollars? And

56:04

yeah, it's perfect because it's not only takes place

56:06

at Christmas takes place at Christmas in a mall

56:09

and like yeah Yeah, you can Christmas

56:11

by all your weapons

56:13

Yes, I am that and miles. Melons

56:15

are my two favorite Christmas games That's

56:18

right. Oh, we did. No, yes, right Thanks,

56:20

please. Don't just yeah Snowy's

56:23

hail Christmas Super Mario

56:25

RPG remake our pigs

56:27

which are peg. It's pretty

56:30

good If you like Super

56:32

Mario RPG and you know for

56:34

life, I'm just kidding. I've had sex

56:39

I have seen at least a couple people saying like oh,

56:41

you know I've just been hearing the Gino people

56:43

rail about Smash Brothers for years

56:46

and I played through this game and like Gino

56:48

doesn't have that much of a personality but everybody

56:51

talks about Malo who's like super cool

56:53

shit Malo who's like Kirby Kirby's

56:56

fat dad. Yeah Claims

56:59

to be a frog, but I think he's like a

57:01

cloud in genie pants or something Yeah,

57:04

he looks like if Kirby was

57:06

the gumball universe, that would be his dad. He

57:08

kicks ass Mal is

57:11

the shit. Yeah, Mal is the shit. I don't want this fucking

57:13

like moody Pinocchio

57:14

So so I think I told

57:17

you guys on the show before like I never played the original

57:19

always wanted to just never did And so

57:21

this is for me. It's great because I'm like, hey, this is

57:23

the perfect way to play it It's really

57:26

like an even visually for a remake it

57:28

like it's one of the best looking games on

57:30

switch Like it's it's phenomenal looking

57:33

and my understanding again have nothing to

57:35

compare it to they've sort of improved

57:37

the combat I think the windows for

57:39

the button timing so like the Turn-based

57:43

combat that you know and love from so

57:45

many games that ripped it They all ripped it off from Super

57:48

Mario RPG where it's like a lot of Mario RPG Ripped

57:50

it off like the South Park RPG like they're all

57:52

like any game that any turn-based RPG

57:54

That's like hit a button at a certain time

57:56

for a bonus to attack or defense that

57:59

all started here And that's here and

58:01

works as intended. They

58:03

probably widen the window a little. But even then, I

58:06

think I said it last week, this was my Gateway RPG

58:08

and it does suck when your Gateway game isn't

58:11

readdressed when you delve deeper

58:13

into that genre for a very long time. I

58:16

do think like one of the reasons Nintendo re-released

58:19

this, it just

58:21

sounds like a very cynical way to say it, is

58:23

to hook a new generation of RPG

58:25

players because it still is like the perfect intro

58:28

to RPG for younger kids. That was sort

58:30

of the purpose of the original one, is

58:32

like this is a Gateway RPG. We've

58:35

got a familiar character that everyone loves,

58:37

Mario. We've got sort of action-infused

58:40

gameplay. It's not boring,

58:42

which is why a lot of people who don't like

58:45

RPGs, they think RPGs

58:47

are going to be boring so they stay away, especially

58:50

at the time when RPGs looked like fucking

58:52

Wizardry and Ultima. I think it's

58:54

the first Bowser team up that

58:57

ever existed, like first playable Bowser.

59:00

One of the reasons people

59:03

don't talk about so much that I think they should in terms

59:05

of the writing, it's also

59:08

hilarious. Like a

59:10

Good Simpsons episode, it works on multiple levels.

59:12

Like as an adult, you'll get jokes that totally

59:14

kids are going to go right over their head. But

59:17

that

59:17

pedigree carried forward into the Paper Mario

59:20

games and the Mario and Luigi games, like this is

59:22

one of the first RPGs that is like, okay, yeah,

59:24

it's full of puns and it's funny and it was like

59:27

the Nintendo localization team's chance to

59:29

shine like a treehouse. I never got all those

59:31

jokes about Geno's ED before, but

59:33

he really is pathetic. What kind

59:35

of pun do you think he's holding it? Who

59:42

am I? Can I help

59:44

you now? They have the blue chew power up for him to

59:46

eat and it's fine. He can only get rot. No,

59:51

I mean, I'm serious though, like these games, they're funny. Yeah,

59:54

Mario RPG has, it's

59:56

one of those games I feel like is the perfect game. I

59:59

played it a lot. In the Super

1:00:01

Nintendo PlayStation and PlayStation 2 era

1:00:04

and replayed it like right Like

1:00:06

a year before this announcement That's the only

1:00:08

reason I didn't jump on it immediately because like I

1:00:11

and I'm playing a game That's very similar and see a star

1:00:13

is like I'm getting a lot of that fix I just don't

1:00:15

want to spend the money on a game. I'm currently

1:00:18

trying to beat something that is Kind

1:00:20

of aping it but I'm

1:00:22

loving every I It

1:00:25

doesn't serve the same purpose now. There's

1:00:27

no this is not gonna get anybody into

1:00:29

JRPGs I don't think I

1:00:31

don't think it has any I think it's a huge

1:00:34

nostalgia play I think you know, yeah, it's

1:00:36

it's less to get people

1:00:39

into JRPGs and more to give people

1:00:41

a way to Discover it

1:00:43

like a more accessible and modern way to

1:00:46

discover this. Okay, maybe which I

1:00:48

was gonna say like they hired

1:00:50

square to make it like so back in the day that

1:00:52

was like Nintendo hiring

1:00:54

epic to make people understand

1:00:57

battery. Yeah, like how do you

1:00:59

hire the best people in this field? To

1:01:02

make an RPG with Mario, it'd be like hiring

1:01:04

a talus now, right? Like this I

1:01:07

think wasn't this like also made

1:01:09

with the same CG workstations of these

1:01:12

for Donkey Kong. So like you had that like 3d

1:01:15

rendered Images I forget

1:01:17

how those I don't even know if those were workstations.

1:01:19

They might have even docked dot matrix though It's

1:01:22

because it was sort of like drawing

1:01:24

a sprite with squares Here's

1:01:26

why I hope where what I hope this actually is

1:01:29

is like you

1:01:30

know for a while there I feel like

1:01:32

Nintendo has Felt

1:01:34

the need to tie Mario RPGs

1:01:36

to certain franchises. It's like okay paper

1:01:38

Mario. We can't just do a straight like Mario RPG

1:01:40

It's got to be the paper variety or it's gonna be the

1:01:43

Mario and Luigi games But those are only on the handhelds. It's

1:01:45

like if this is their way of saying like We're

1:01:48

gonna reintroduce just call them Mario RPGs

1:01:50

back on to the prime system

1:01:52

prime like console I think they are and

1:01:55

I believe the Mario RPG team doesn't

1:01:57

exist anymore.

1:01:58

It was only made by Alpha dream as far as I know

1:02:02

and I don't know that they're around anymore.

1:02:04

Oh the Mario and Luigi guys? I mean that

1:02:06

was always for portable systems which they also don't

1:02:09

have anymore so maybe

1:02:11

we're just going back to Mario RPG and maybe

1:02:13

this will be the start of something really cool. Hope

1:02:16

so. I mean I love the Paper Mario

1:02:18

stuff. Sometimes. That's really how

1:02:20

we've

1:02:21

gotten away from this traditional

1:02:24

RPG formula though where like now it's

1:02:26

very much its own thing where it's like okay if you wanted

1:02:28

just that turn base with the timing based

1:02:30

attack mechanics like

1:02:32

just have Mario RPG on your console.

1:02:34

It was so much overthinking especially

1:02:36

the Paper Mario series. Sticker Star, the

1:02:38

other one with the cards like stop

1:02:42

doing that shit. Octopath Traveler

1:02:44

has a free demo that people are going nuts over just

1:02:46

because it offers pretty simple throwback

1:02:49

thrills. Just do that and

1:02:51

I hope it's the new start. Super

1:02:53

Mario RPG 2? I'd be way more excited.

1:02:56

Way more excited. I never played the original

1:02:59

Mario RPG but I kind of feel like which I was

1:03:01

saying about that being like a good like kind of starter

1:03:04

RPG. I feel like maybe it's

1:03:06

been so long since we've had Super Mario RPG

1:03:08

like this and its form is I think

1:03:11

because like the next kind of game that they

1:03:13

made like this is Pokemon because Pokemon

1:03:15

was like a lot of people's kind of first RPG.

1:03:17

Yeah. Yep. Because I missed this

1:03:19

because I didn't have a Super Nintendo but I

1:03:21

ended up playing a Pokemon game. Loser. Let's not focus. Let's

1:03:23

focus on that loser. Stop throwing

1:03:26

things at me. So

1:03:29

I started later with RPGs while

1:03:31

playing Pokemon which just became their kind

1:03:34

of intro RPG series in a way. Yeah. I hadn't thought

1:03:36

of that. That's a great point. Like nowadays

1:03:39

most people's intros to RPGs is just

1:03:41

their first Pokemon. Probably. Those are straight

1:03:43

up JRPGs man. But there are still

1:03:45

a lot of people who don't who you know

1:03:47

people who like the way we

1:03:50

port over game magazines are all over YouTube

1:03:52

and have heard so much about this game and it hasn't been

1:03:54

super accessible up until now. And if

1:03:56

you had that voucher program you might

1:03:58

have like a free first party. then no game waiting

1:04:00

on you. I wish I can't

1:04:03

wait to get this and play this, I just can't justify

1:04:05

it because I've replayed it so much and I

1:04:07

don't know what a modern... it

1:04:10

already moved faster and this is neither

1:04:12

here nor there really but like it

1:04:15

came out around like what Final Fantasy 6 on

1:04:19

this? That was telling a very mature

1:04:21

story. This is a silly fun

1:04:24

story. Like I think some

1:04:26

at that point some of the stories RPGs

1:04:28

were trying to tell me I wasn't

1:04:30

quite there yet. That's where the Mario

1:04:32

RPG became really like, ah

1:04:35

silly Bowser and Peach are gonna team up with you.

1:04:37

What? I can battle

1:04:39

with all of them? Mario can inexplicably

1:04:42

shapeshift to look like various enemies. Yep.

1:04:45

It's the first game that like includes Link

1:04:47

and Zelda references inside the game itself.

1:04:50

And Metroid I think. I meant

1:04:52

to say Metroid. Just imagine

1:04:54

the choices back then as a week and it was that

1:04:57

or here's this RPG where

1:04:59

an evil clown burns down the entire

1:05:02

world. Take

1:05:05

the evil clown please. That

1:05:08

sounds like something

1:05:10

I can relate to. There's always that one fucking weirdo

1:05:12

in every class. Oh that's the kid who likes it. I

1:05:15

love the character of Little Michael. I only like the scene

1:05:17

where all the kids have sex. Please

1:05:20

someone help finance a kind of funny games

1:05:22

animated program that's terrible that Michael

1:05:24

can do. Little Michael into. It'd

1:05:27

be really really good. Help

1:05:30

us. Little Michael sounds a little like Toad. Little

1:05:32

Michael sounds a little like Toad. Yeah,

1:05:35

it's kinda like that.

1:05:37

It sounds a little like the South

1:05:40

Park where they made fun of Bob Saget's America's

1:05:42

funniest home videos. I hope I don't

1:05:44

get hit by this train. Whoops I sure did. You

1:05:46

sound like Bob Saget's parrot impersonation.

1:05:48

Yeah. We would be remiss.

1:05:59

Because this show is such a phenomenon a

1:06:02

bluey the video game came out and I already saw it on

1:06:04

sale for Black Friday a few Places so Parents

1:06:08

of young kids get yourself that

1:06:10

bluey the video game I mean I just

1:06:12

saw bluey for the first time as a

1:06:15

person with no kids That

1:06:17

shit is really hysterical

1:06:19

and like awesome as fuck man, but it's

1:06:21

like made for preschoolers But you

1:06:23

know, I'm not gonna dig into it. But like I was

1:06:26

impressed because the stuff When 130

1:06:29

2010's like we got to readdress the Barney movie and

1:06:31

like and fucking 90s kid I fucking

1:06:33

hate this and I want to set all of it on fire. It's

1:06:35

really annoying everybody who's gonna tame

1:06:38

it over a certain Yeah, it's

1:06:40

so dumb like think of a better voice right

1:06:42

better in this shit than this does And

1:06:45

and but I however, I do think it's mildly

1:06:47

cynical like it drops out of

1:06:49

nowhere just in time for the holidays No

1:06:52

reviews. Hey, it's $20 cheaper

1:06:54

than any other game. Don't think about it Just buy

1:06:56

blue. Yeah, and it doesn't look bad at all. It looks almost

1:06:59

exactly like the show. Yeah Well,

1:07:01

like I number one I've heard from friends

1:07:03

who are parents. It's like yeah blue is really good

1:07:05

I would watch this even if I didn't have kids

1:07:08

it's amazing I all that I've

1:07:10

seen of the game is a trailer and the trailer

1:07:12

looks incredibly wholesome Like it's

1:07:14

all about like preschoolers hanging out

1:07:16

and playing games and it makes

1:07:19

me think of that like crayon chinchon thing It's like

1:07:21

this is about having summer vacation

1:07:23

and going and doing fun things with friends and

1:07:25

family And yet does

1:07:28

this game have a game awards

1:07:31

best family? Yeah, I should like sonic superstars.

1:07:33

No, no, it doesn't know the choice

1:07:35

is clear just rub salt in its wound. Why don't

1:07:37

you? Small

1:07:43

saga also came out This is an indie

1:07:45

game that I've been kind of following the creators on

1:07:48

Twitter for a while and it is finally out on PC

1:07:51

via steam and itch.io and

1:07:54

It is inspired by golden Sun

1:07:56

and it takes place in a world where

1:07:59

you're playing as in England who

1:08:01

have sort of like a medieval fantasy society

1:08:04

right under the thumbs of right under

1:08:06

the noses of modern humans who they refer

1:08:09

to as gods and Thank

1:08:11

you. I just wanted someone to say it.

1:08:13

Yeah Like

1:08:16

the main character's weapon is

1:08:19

it's like oh, it's a god blade

1:08:21

and it's like a Swiss army knife What

1:08:24

I'm holding on double it's so sharp. Yeah.

1:08:26

Oh, it's so heavy. How can you a mere

1:08:28

mouse wield it? but But

1:08:31

like early on like so you you

1:08:33

and your friend go to heaven the land of the gods

1:08:36

where they have all the food And it's like oh,

1:08:38

it's a grocery store And it's like you

1:08:40

you're like warned by these bandits ahead

1:08:43

of time like you shouldn't even bother going

1:08:45

there It used to be a place of plenty and now they

1:08:47

the yellow god roams the corridors

1:08:49

and kills everyone he sees and like easy mouse

1:08:52

What are you talking about? Yeah? Well, that's that's what

1:08:55

I like. Yeah, what and and so

1:08:57

I went in there and like Mild

1:08:59

spoilers the yellow god is a guy

1:09:02

in a yellow clean suit because

1:09:05

there are exterminators In the building

1:09:07

and things go bad and there

1:09:09

we have our impetus for revenge Aha,

1:09:13

yes a revenge quest like it

1:09:15

does sound like quite a saga if you're

1:09:17

small it sounds like it mouse guard DLC

1:09:20

Yeah, humans exist kind of mouse guard

1:09:22

except like what if a mouse guard but in

1:09:24

the real world and yeah This

1:09:26

is just how rodents perceive each other

1:09:29

Let's be honest that the older I get I'm

1:09:32

getting to think yeah the American supermarket is

1:09:34

about as close to heaven as you're gonna get on earth man Those

1:09:37

places are fucking amazing you can find anything

1:09:39

in a supermarket. I they're stress

1:09:41

relieving I just really like supermarkets.

1:09:43

Yeah, and I'm not afraid to say it on this show You're

1:09:46

gonna love I gotta we're gonna watch sausage

1:09:48

party this weekend. It's gonna be great man Yeah

1:09:50

I was a great ending had a vacation once

1:09:53

in Georgia a while ago in a town that didn't have

1:09:55

like a supermarket and It's just like can't

1:09:57

find anything in these little

1:10:00

mom-and-pop stores and then like find like a

1:10:02

food lion or something like oh my god

1:10:04

what a lion this is a relief I didn't

1:10:06

even know this this was something I want

1:10:09

it we only sell fop here

1:10:12

nothing against bodega folks

1:10:14

but I mean plenty against bodega when you were

1:10:16

like me and had to survive off of them but

1:10:18

again it's the only place where like ah shit I

1:10:21

left my card the bar he's like let's come

1:10:23

back tomorrow take the food oh

1:10:25

thanks buddy you're great but if you if that's like

1:10:27

all you have access to yeah that's not

1:10:29

great you don't want to be in a food desert yada yada yada

1:10:32

but uh yeah supermarkets

1:10:34

baby how'd we get here oh small saga

1:10:37

it's pretty good and you guys also wanted

1:10:39

to talk about Scott Pilgrim takes off

1:10:42

we did I did because

1:10:44

I had to have an odd

1:10:46

conversation with I think everybody about

1:10:48

it including

1:10:50

you guys including a person I'm dating

1:10:53

like you know it hit the field

1:10:55

of the field of vision of her son and in like

1:10:58

uh oh Scott Pilgrim

1:11:00

would he be interested in that like I

1:11:02

would be if I were him but it

1:11:05

will not work for you if you have not both

1:11:08

read the comic or seen this there's a movie

1:11:10

and it's also still firmly based even though it doesn't

1:11:12

ascribe a year it's like it's

1:11:15

early yeah they made a big deal out of

1:11:17

its early 2000s but it's early 2000s

1:11:19

Canada but for me it's 1997

1:11:21

my life sure but

1:11:24

that's how Canada works we

1:11:26

should by the way we'll just go ahead and give a spoiler

1:11:29

warning cuz you're gonna try to avoid spoilers yeah yeah I don't

1:11:31

want to spoil what happened a few minutes

1:11:34

at the end of the first episode I don't even want to

1:11:36

spoil what happens at the end of the first episode yeah I've

1:11:38

always seen the first four so far if you don't

1:11:40

want to hear anything about Scott Pilgrim jump

1:11:43

to 95 minutes and 30 seconds

1:11:45

okay so let me

1:11:47

let me introduce this real quick first so

1:11:50

it is it is not an

1:11:52

adaptation like I went you know I

1:11:54

think like we all thought it was this is an adaptation

1:11:57

and for the first 15 minutes it

1:11:59

plays it very straight. It

1:12:01

very faithfully adapts part

1:12:04

of the first book and then it goes completely

1:12:07

off the rails. I'm talking like... And I think the trailers

1:12:09

played it straight too. They kind of tried to take

1:12:11

it. Yeah. Final Fantasy VII Remake

1:12:14

level. Evangelion rebuilds

1:12:16

level like this. We're doing an Evangelion Morty!

1:12:22

That's what I texted you trying not

1:12:24

to spoil it. I'm like, Michael, do you see the

1:12:26

Kevin Smith he-men? I'm like, yeah. I'll

1:12:29

wait for a minute. I got

1:12:31

it. I got it. I know eventually

1:12:34

you got it, but like... Well,

1:12:36

that's what I get. I wasn't upset in the chat,

1:12:38

but I'm like, dude, spoilers, because once you said

1:12:40

that, even though I hadn't seen that

1:12:42

episode, I'm like, oh, I know what's going to

1:12:44

happen. But it's trying to upset... And

1:12:47

that's as much as I want to spoil

1:12:49

Scott Pilgrim, because more than anything,

1:12:52

I was less excited, like, oh, great,

1:12:54

a thorough adaptation of Scott Pilgrim.

1:12:57

Yeah, exactly. And I had to tell my girl,

1:13:00

Scott Pilgrim was a really important thing

1:13:02

to me 15 years ago, because

1:13:06

we all know about representation and granted,

1:13:09

I'm a white fucking straight dude. I got plenty of representation,

1:13:11

but I still hadn't really seen a movie where

1:13:13

people looked or talked like me other than

1:13:16

like Clerks and like Scott... But

1:13:19

also, it represents geek culture.

1:13:22

Yeah, Scott Pilgrim was a little... Like, I was in the

1:13:24

show punk rock music scene,

1:13:27

because that's the only thing I could tolerate.

1:13:29

I didn't give a fuck about that music. I

1:13:31

liked the girls, and I would be way more

1:13:33

happy if we were all playing video games. That's what I

1:13:36

feel like the Scott Pilgrim universe represents.

1:13:39

So I really don't want to spoil the show, and

1:13:41

all I'll say is this, is like,

1:13:42

if you always Scott

1:13:46

Pilgrim media spent less time on Scott

1:13:48

and more time exploring the wealth

1:13:50

of characters in that series,

1:13:52

boy is this show for you. Well, it's more... My only real criticism

1:13:55

about the movie is that, like, 45 minutes

1:14:01

of it are an adaptation of the first

1:14:03

book and then it really really

1:14:05

rushes through everything

1:14:08

else throughout the rest of the movie. So yeah

1:14:10

this is it's what I started

1:14:12

calling a requal. It's both remake

1:14:15

and sequel and there is an in-canon

1:14:18

reason for this. Like it is, I'd

1:14:20

say it's a sequel. I'd say yes

1:14:22

it is. It's not even a sequel. The thing I'm dancing around here

1:14:29

is that like there's been a different appraisal

1:14:32

about Scott Pilgrim as a work and as a character.

1:14:34

I think it's mostly as a character. Yeah

1:14:37

there's a lot of discourse around it. But this

1:14:39

is sort of it's a deconstruction of

1:14:41

everything in Scott Pilgrim and it's extrapolating

1:14:44

and like like you said digging more into the

1:14:46

characters you get to spend a lot more

1:14:48

time with the evil exes from their point

1:14:50

of view. You get to spend a lot more time with

1:14:52

Ramona and Kim. But I would still

1:14:54

go as far to say this is not enjoyable

1:14:58

if you don't have a lot of knowledge

1:15:00

about both the movie and the comics. It

1:15:03

does seem that not. Yeah I would discourage

1:15:05

you from making this where you start with Scott

1:15:07

Pilgrim. Because it will not work for

1:15:09

you at all. It'll be a waste of time. Yeah. My

1:15:12

fear is that it'll be a waste of time because

1:15:14

I think there's a little bit of, I'll

1:15:16

just say Twitter discussion that is a bit pedantic

1:15:19

and stupid and like this

1:15:21

isn't the biggest property in the world but I know

1:15:23

gamers like to argue about it like it is and I'm sorry

1:15:26

if Scott Pilgrim is the worst protagonist

1:15:28

you've ever seen in your life because he's

1:15:30

careless with his feelings and cheats on his girlfriend.

1:15:32

Dates a high school or dates

1:15:34

a high school or what? Yeah I don't

1:15:37

mind addressing it but it's like that

1:15:39

was so fucking common in

1:15:42

the late 90s. Not for me

1:15:44

necessarily. Even though I did it a

1:15:46

lot. No and their 20s dating 16 year

1:15:49

olds? Not that we did. I love that we

1:15:52

had a guy in our universe we called statutory

1:15:54

Stefan because that's all he would do. That's

1:15:59

not great. No, it was... Did you hang

1:16:01

out with shit-stheem? It was... No, no,

1:16:03

I said... That's quite something. It was not

1:16:05

shit-stheem. No. Never did that shit.

1:16:08

Together, there's statutory shit. No, no. But,

1:16:10

like, it was... It

1:16:13

is a bad trait in the original... both

1:16:15

the original work in the movie treats it like

1:16:18

it's normal, but it kind

1:16:20

of was. I had the shitty... I

1:16:22

graduated high school, and

1:16:24

my girlfriend was a year behind me, and I had to... I'm

1:16:27

like, I had to go to her prom as

1:16:29

a high school graduate. And I went, and

1:16:31

when I went, I'm like, I am not the most

1:16:34

pathetic person here by a long

1:16:36

shot, because there are a lot of people in college

1:16:38

here at this prom. I'm not saying it's okay,

1:16:41

I'm just saying it's reflective of when it was made.

1:16:43

And the show, the new show, reckons with that

1:16:45

a little... not a lot,

1:16:48

but like... I like the way they

1:16:50

addressed it. Yeah, probably shouldn't

1:16:52

have been dating a high schooler. That's frowned

1:16:54

on by society. But,

1:16:59

I think, you know, I've done a lot of thinking

1:17:01

and trying to figure out, like, okay, well,

1:17:04

he's dating a high schooler because he

1:17:07

doesn't think it's real, and to

1:17:09

a certain degree he doesn't think she's real. He thinks because

1:17:11

he's a teenager there's no real expectations

1:17:14

on him, and he's looking for something,

1:17:16

quote-unquote, uncomplicated because he's

1:17:18

just had a really bad breakup. And he

1:17:20

is incredibly immature, and what

1:17:23

I was the most at Scott Pilgrim's

1:17:26

age, inconsiderate. Inconsiderate,

1:17:29

like, just not... like,

1:17:32

I, again, never dated a high... because what's

1:17:34

the age difference here? 17 to 23, please,

1:17:37

that never happened. But

1:17:40

I have been inconsiderate with people's feelings before

1:17:42

because I'm only focusing on me. That

1:17:44

is something I've been guilty of, and a lot of people do that in their

1:17:46

teens and just to read some of

1:17:48

the discussion, like, I would never

1:17:50

do this! And, like, you have not been off Twitter

1:17:53

for 12 years. You haven't had

1:17:55

no time to do this. Also, you probably have more

1:17:58

than zero emotional intelligence. which

1:18:00

is like Scott's main thing. He has zero emotional

1:18:02

intelligence. Scott, Scott, that's the

1:18:05

thing. Scott has never been an aspirational

1:18:07

character, and I never wanted to be Scott. I

1:18:09

like the world of Canada because

1:18:12

like I always felt like an outcast or nerd.

1:18:14

Weird fantasy world of Canada. But

1:18:16

what it is, because it existed

1:18:18

in the 2000s. They're always five years behind. Mm-hmm.

1:18:22

The whole thing about Scott Pilgrim, I'd

1:18:25

say from my experience what there was, of course, like

1:18:27

a lot of people like the movie first, which I've seen a million

1:18:29

times, so good, is you

1:18:31

could tell it's written from this love of like, you know,

1:18:33

like someone who grew up loving this geek culture

1:18:35

stuff, right? Yeah. There's moments where you have little

1:18:38

things like in the live action movie of like, you know, little video

1:18:40

game sound effects and things and references here and

1:18:42

there, and... The show

1:18:44

doesn't do that. It does it a little

1:18:46

bit, but not nearly as much as it could be. I

1:18:49

feel like if you watched the movie, of course, you'd like clearly

1:18:51

like, yeah, someone like, there's

1:18:54

a lot of love in here for someone that grew up like playing

1:18:56

NES and like certain eras of video games.

1:18:59

And then, like the show

1:19:01

still takes kind of like, okay, it's

1:19:04

really cool that we have the same actors from the movie, voice

1:19:06

the characters. So I feel like that

1:19:09

is really cool. If you've never seen anything with

1:19:11

Scott Pilgrim, I would say at least watch the live action movie

1:19:13

first, because I feel a little more connected

1:19:15

to the characters because the same actors are voicing them in

1:19:18

the show. Oh, well, I couldn't tell if this was

1:19:20

them trying to make the

1:19:21

show slightly more modern,

1:19:24

but if you'll remember like when Scott

1:19:26

first meets Ramona, like very, you

1:19:28

know, like the signature scene

1:19:30

is like he's asked, he gives her the stupid, you

1:19:32

know, worthless trivia, the puck man, the puck

1:19:34

man trivia, right? Which is like, okay,

1:19:37

so that's theoretically based in like early 80s. And

1:19:39

then like now when he meets her, like he comes out to her

1:19:41

and gives her some sonic trivia, which

1:19:44

is early 90s. So I'm like, okay, are they trying to make it

1:19:46

like 10 years more modernish? Or is

1:19:48

that just a one-off reference? But I love that sequence

1:19:51

though, because that

1:19:51

like man-splaining aspect of

1:19:53

Scott Pilgrim is something I very much still

1:19:55

have, is I'm still a person out there dating.

1:20:00

gift when I talk too much in text

1:20:02

like, I'll just go away forever now. I'm

1:20:04

sorry I told you so much about Popeye. I

1:20:07

think it works better in the context of

1:20:10

the movie. I don't even know if that

1:20:12

scene was in the comics. I don't remember

1:20:14

it. But in the movie, he uses it to

1:20:16

impress knives. And

1:20:22

so he figures that that's his pickup line.

1:20:25

And then he uses it against Ramona and she's totally

1:20:27

indifferent to it. And he's just like,

1:20:30

oh, I've made a terrible mistake. But

1:20:32

that's why I fell in love with the comic to begin with because

1:20:34

it felt nostalgic even though it was kind of

1:20:36

contemporary for Canada.

1:20:39

Or at least when it came out.

1:20:42

Well, it came out like the early 2000s. Right.

1:20:45

I want to say 2001. You or Scott

1:20:48

gave me the books like

1:20:50

a year before the movie came out. I'd never heard

1:20:52

of it. And it was

1:20:54

one of those things where like you

1:20:57

ever watched like a nostalgic piece of entertainment? Like

1:21:00

I feel like my upbringing was I'm

1:21:02

anxious, written, I feel scared and miserable

1:21:04

all the time. Then I watched something like Scott Pilgrim

1:21:06

and like I was actually having a really

1:21:09

good time, but I was never present. And

1:21:12

I just wasn't thinking very well. Like

1:21:15

that's what the Scott Pilgrim did for me. Like

1:21:17

I was actually having a really good time in my

1:21:19

teens and 20s. But I was so I

1:21:21

felt like such an outsider, but I was surrounded

1:21:23

by outsiders having a good time. That's

1:21:28

what always makes me feel good about and I had to have

1:21:30

that conversation with my lady like, where's

1:21:32

your son at? Like, has he played

1:21:35

a video? Okay, we're good. Has he read

1:21:38

the comics or seen the movie? And like,

1:21:40

no, I don't think he's read the comics. He may have seen

1:21:42

the movie. I'm like,

1:21:43

then the show is not gonna do anything.

1:21:47

At least I guess if you see

1:21:49

in the movies, there's not a lot

1:21:51

of characters who aren't in the movie who were not represented

1:21:53

in the movie. I think yeah, part of the appeal

1:21:55

of the show and I've seen people like you know,

1:21:57

the usual coterie of jerks

1:22:00

online and like, Oh, this is a feminazi

1:22:04

bullshit. The, you know, sideline,

1:22:06

the main character and focus,

1:22:08

spend more time with the girls. And like,

1:22:11

I think, okay. Number one, those

1:22:13

people are like, they're upset that they didn't get the adaptation

1:22:16

that they wanted. It's not an adaptation. This

1:22:18

is kind of more like, you know, this story.

1:22:21

So let's give you a different angle

1:22:24

on it. Let's, in fact, in that sense, it's back to

1:22:26

the future too. Yeah. Let's,

1:22:29

let's give you another look at these characters

1:22:31

and let's spend more time with them. Let's give you another

1:22:33

angle on this relationship and make

1:22:35

the point that it is inevitable no matter

1:22:37

what happens.

1:22:39

Yeah. Well, I think, I think also it does stuff

1:22:41

that like the movie couldn't

1:22:43

do that. Maybe I wanted at the time,

1:22:45

I'm like, you know, I don't need the movie

1:22:47

just to be a verbatim retelling of the book,

1:22:50

you know? Um, and obviously it had to cut

1:22:52

out a lot of stuff because it's a lot shorter, but like, this

1:22:54

is just like, Hey, just play around with the source material. Cause

1:22:56

like I said, like these are characters we all sort of love at this

1:22:59

point. And it's like,

1:23:00

yeah, let's just focus

1:23:01

on them. I want to learn more about them. Let's, let's try

1:23:03

new things that like the movie, the movie's

1:23:05

great. Don't get me wrong. But it was not

1:23:07

trying new things. It was very much just like, Hey, we're telling

1:23:10

this story for people who don't have the time to

1:23:13

read comics. And this is where I plug. Um,

1:23:15

if you're not a member of your local library, a

1:23:17

lot of libraries nowadays are tied in with an

1:23:20

app called the hoopla app. Yeah. Uh,

1:23:22

and hoopla has the entire Scott Pilgrim,

1:23:25

uh, series. It's where I read the last

1:23:27

two fight clubs. Yeah. There

1:23:29

you go. So you can check out the entire Scott

1:23:31

Pilgrim book series on through your hoopla

1:23:33

app, if your local library,

1:23:35

we talked about, like, you know, I'm

1:23:37

talking more about the lefty Twitter discourse.

1:23:40

Who is it? Like, I think a little

1:23:42

too harsh because like one, you're putting a

1:23:44

ton of importance on this hyper

1:23:47

sub, sub, sub, sub niche thing that

1:23:49

I have to explain to most people what it

1:23:51

is before I say why I like it. Um,

1:23:54

it might be more niche than clerks. I think people

1:23:56

have heard of clerks, at least because it like launched Kevin

1:23:58

Smith's career. I think it is. It's

1:24:01

not influential as far as Scott

1:24:03

as a personality type goes, but it is influential

1:24:06

as like What a cool time

1:24:08

and place to be doing these things because

1:24:11

you know now like I I

1:24:13

love I was dating Someone a year or two

1:24:15

ago with kids and like what does their

1:24:17

what do their shows sound like? Anything

1:24:20

like mine or Scott pilgrims and

1:24:22

the truth was sort of yes. It was kind of

1:24:24

kind of nice Oh, they did debaser. That's fucking amazing

1:24:28

I'll go watch 16 year old to debaser right

1:24:30

now. I'll sure pay whatever cover That's

1:24:32

hilarious and and I want to say also

1:24:34

like I think my favorite scene might be

1:24:36

the bit where Lucas Lee and Gideon

1:24:39

Are just hanging out and they

1:24:41

it's it's like the They

1:24:43

make an absolute Disaster

1:24:46

of someone else's house. It's

1:24:48

just like you know five minutes of pure

1:24:50

joy Paintball

1:24:53

and skate ramps I

1:24:55

think but that's the thing if you've seen the movie

1:24:57

and read the books The highs

1:24:59

here are really fucking high yeah and

1:25:03

Yeah, you haven't never saw these characters

1:25:05

in this context before and if you

1:25:07

haven't and even if you have a lot

1:25:10

of negativity Towards the Scott Pilgrim character

1:25:12

who is not here a lot or

1:25:14

at least It's not as

1:25:16

much of the show as you think

1:25:18

Of

1:25:19

Man, I laughed so much and I didn't

1:25:22

get what I initially read Scott

1:25:24

Pilgrim 4 which was validation of

1:25:27

my nostalgia Which it did deliver

1:25:29

on both in book and movie form

1:25:31

this Like I think it's

1:25:33

the seventh episode where that kind of kicks in

1:25:36

where I really start laughing. Holy

1:25:38

shit Holy

1:25:40

shit, this guy is a virtual boy sunken

1:25:43

living room. Yeah. Hell yeah That's

1:25:45

fucking awesome. I'll just say this

1:25:48

like in a world where you Probably

1:25:50

don't get as much excitement

1:25:52

about seeing like your

1:25:54

references represented in movies like that novelty

1:25:56

wore off many,

1:26:00

many years ago, this has

1:26:02

to get beyond that, which I think the original

1:26:05

movie could write on that alone. It was like

1:26:07

at the time, it was like, wow, I never see video game

1:26:09

references in movies.

1:26:10

This very much has to do with something and it succeeds

1:26:13

there. This isn't just about the nostalgia.

1:26:15

If you remember reading about the movie like Edgar

1:26:17

Wright and the Universal People had to go to

1:26:19

Nintendo and beg, look,

1:26:22

I think your songs are modern day nursery

1:26:24

rhymes. Can we put a Zelda jingle in

1:26:27

here without you suing us? And that was a

1:26:29

conversation that went back and forth that did not

1:26:32

go to the games itself. They would not allow that

1:26:34

to happen. That has not happened ever

1:26:36

again. Zelda's music has never

1:26:39

entered into movies. It was a big

1:26:41

deal to get Scott Pilgrim

1:26:43

is a milestone moment as a movie,

1:26:46

but that's not what this show is about because I

1:26:48

think most people realize video game. I

1:26:51

love dating people, kids. Everybody plays video

1:26:54

games. It is the biggest movie of the year was

1:26:56

a Mario movie. Right. It's not

1:26:58

the same thing. Being nostalgic for being an

1:27:00

outsider because you like games to me, I like

1:27:04

being nostalgic about that because it is fucking different

1:27:06

now. It's fucking easy. I love being able to

1:27:08

talk to every kid, every person

1:27:10

under 30 because we're all playing games. It's dope.

1:27:14

Sorry, but people

1:27:16

who want to yell about Scott Pilgrim as a

1:27:19

rapscallion and not someone to be looked up to and like,

1:27:21

nobody is, man. It's all good. It's

1:27:24

all good. Never did. Never did. Nobody

1:27:26

is. Did you watch Clerks and look up to

1:27:28

Randall or Dante? Most likely

1:27:30

you did not. It's just supposed to be funny

1:27:32

and mildly self-reflective.

1:27:36

I always thought the movie was about insecurities.

1:27:39

If you've ever dated someone cooler

1:27:41

than you and you constantly

1:27:43

wonder about who they dated before, it's a really

1:27:46

immature aspect. So you can look

1:27:48

at it as metaphorically like he's

1:27:50

battling her emotional baggage from her

1:27:53

seven movies or places. No, I always looked at it. He's battling

1:27:55

his emotional insecurities. That's

1:27:58

my interpretation. I'm open all the... the others, you

1:28:00

can have your own, that's fine. But I

1:28:02

did date a girl... Oh!

1:28:06

You banged the lead singer of Gwar. What do I got going

1:28:09

on? What do I got?

1:28:12

Oh, that's your boyfriend? He's so

1:28:14

hot! What the fuck do I have? And

1:28:16

so that's what I thought. To me, that's what

1:28:18

Scott Pilgrim is. I text her

1:28:21

every time I watch the movie

1:28:24

and we're still good friends,

1:28:28

but that's what it reminds me of, insecurities.

1:28:31

Because I was just riddled with insecurities

1:28:33

and I like watching the movie, knowing like, if

1:28:36

you had more than five friends, you're

1:28:39

a god! You're having the best time!

1:28:41

Most people don't have that luxury! Holy

1:28:44

shit! To be known to go to a party? I never

1:28:47

happen to be anymore! I

1:28:50

think the takes that annoyed me

1:28:52

most, like when the movie came out, where the

1:28:55

reviews where the critics would be like, this

1:28:58

only works if you think about it as in a metaphorical

1:29:00

way. No, he's not actually getting into

1:29:02

fights, it's all just going on inside his

1:29:04

head. No, this is a magical

1:29:06

realism video game nerd fantasy!

1:29:10

Yeah, yeah. Treat it like that. One thing that did

1:29:12

bug me about the movie is it portrayed

1:29:14

Scott as almost

1:29:16

too much of a loser. Yes, he is a loser

1:29:18

in the comics, but this one straight

1:29:20

up acknowledges that he's also regarded as the

1:29:22

best fighter in his province. He's fucking

1:29:25

lame from letter count. He's

1:29:27

a huge loser though. Otherwise,

1:29:29

he's irredeemable. He

1:29:33

owes $3500 in video store late fees.

1:29:35

But in the books it was clear that the reason he's getting

1:29:37

these

1:29:37

girls is because he's a fairly good looking

1:29:40

dude and stuff like that, and it's charming.

1:29:42

And this show does acknowledge that he's charming,

1:29:45

he's not so Michael Sarah.

1:29:48

I also like that this show acknowledges, so

1:29:50

what exactly happens when people get punched

1:29:53

to death and turn into change? Are

1:29:55

they actually dead? And you

1:29:58

think it's actually dead at at first and then it's like,

1:30:01

oh, after they respond at home, like, oh, okay,

1:30:03

that's what happens. You will get the most out of

1:30:06

this if you've read, if you've experienced, and it's not hard

1:30:08

to do. You can do it in the afternoon. I've

1:30:11

watched the movie a million times and I've only read the

1:30:13

first part of the comic and I'm enjoying this

1:30:15

show just the much. Oh, the other thing we should call out. This

1:30:17

references the Ubisoft game too, like that's all

1:30:19

a part of the lore. It's crazy, the font

1:30:22

and the onomatoguchi, the music. Oh

1:30:25

yeah, no, it just makes me want to go now and finish reading the comics.

1:30:29

Go to Hoopla, you got it right there for

1:30:31

you. I think you'll get the... There's five books, something like

1:30:33

that?

1:30:33

I mean, I

1:30:35

had way more fun with it than I thought I was going

1:30:37

to because I was very much not looking forward to

1:30:40

a straightforward adaptation,

1:30:42

but sort of a reassessment of my own nostalgia

1:30:46

and what I think is acceptable

1:30:49

behavior and our aspects of love

1:30:52

and like how dumb it is and how

1:30:54

easy it is at the same time. It

1:30:57

became something pretty beautiful,

1:31:00

gallingly, that doesn't close the

1:31:02

book on itself either. If

1:31:06

anything, it leaves itself more open to find

1:31:09

out than the original story did. Yeah,

1:31:14

I just really enjoy talking about

1:31:16

it because for me it just holds the spot

1:31:18

like Universal

1:31:21

knows who I am and Edgar Wright

1:31:23

wants to direct this. Cool.

1:31:26

Yeah, there is something that happens

1:31:29

late in the series and if you aren't there

1:31:31

and you don't want to hear it, skip ahead

1:31:33

to...

1:31:34

92 minutes, 20 seconds.

1:31:36

This is already part of the skip ahead. I'll

1:31:39

put an additional skip ahead into the

1:31:41

skip ahead. Oh wow, wow. This is

1:31:43

like, wow, for an inceptioning

1:31:45

this thing. Fast forward a minute, something.

1:31:48

So, Will Forte singing

1:31:51

Kanyawa Hurricane while

1:31:53

backed up by two dudes who look

1:31:56

like they're from Jet Set Radio. I

1:31:59

honestly think you'll get that. the most and there's always

1:32:01

that door if not for me who are posed

1:32:04

like they're in a YMO music video So

1:32:07

there on your why hurricane is a song from

1:32:10

the 1987 cyberpunk anime bubblegum

1:32:12

crisis And you've got a little more taste

1:32:14

singing it in chat. Oh my god Yeah,

1:32:17

I had one thing as you guys were saying this this

1:32:20

show It almost

1:32:22

replaces some so many of the gaming references

1:32:24

with more anime That's that

1:32:26

actually was my question because I'm not well

1:32:29

versed in anime This version

1:32:31

of Scott Pilgrim might be more for

1:32:33

anime than it is for like game references

1:32:35

I'm certainly getting fewer of the references

1:32:38

than I did in the book and movie Yeah,

1:32:40

I was like I think it also the reference you look at you

1:32:42

like oh that has it relies less heavily

1:32:44

on reference There are no DuckTales references

1:32:47

in the new show Also,

1:32:50

if you were somehow listen to this conversation

1:32:52

You have not seen the movie or the show if you

1:32:54

watch both of these or either of them

1:32:57

This is not the kind of show you put on it just kind of it's in

1:32:59

the background You get rewarded from visually

1:33:02

paying attention to the movie in the show because

1:33:04

there's a lot of jokes and things that they do On

1:33:06

the screen and in the background Like that

1:33:09

you want to catch a notice don't say they're

1:33:11

looking at your phone and then sort of half paying attention

1:33:13

to it I'd give it your full attention every

1:33:16

once in a while I have to be like I thought it was hard

1:33:18

to get in touch with Chris Evans and make him do

1:33:20

stuff And well, he's in

1:33:22

here a lot if you like Lucas Lee

1:33:24

or Chris Evans You know the story of how this stuff

1:33:27

got started right that it was like it began with

1:33:29

Michael Sarah replying Lol

1:33:31

to like a 10 year old email chain

1:33:34

that somebody know like on a joke and

1:33:36

and like just sat there for 10 years And then Michael

1:33:38

Sarah replied to it. I think during

1:33:41

the pandemic and they're like, what the fuck Michael

1:33:45

I looked it up. I think Everybody

1:33:48

but the twins from the movies

1:33:51

are back and it's like one

1:33:54

of those What did the twins even have a speaking

1:33:56

part? I don't think they said anything Didn't

1:33:59

and Everybody, I'm trying

1:34:01

to think of an equivalent, everybody who was in this movie

1:34:04

is a top-line star. Now,

1:34:07

other than maybe Brandon Routh, who I just watched in

1:34:09

the Nine Lives of Christmas on Hallmark Channel. Well,

1:34:12

other than like the guy who plays Steven Stills,

1:34:14

who's still quite in this quite a bit, but it's like...

1:34:16

I really like that guy. I thought it was a great performance,

1:34:18

but like... He does fine. Brie Larson and

1:34:21

fucking Aubrey Plaza and

1:34:23

fucking Chris Evans. If you like

1:34:26

those people and you liked them in this movie and like, I

1:34:28

wish there was more to their part, there is a lot

1:34:30

more to their part now. And

1:34:32

it's... Yeah,

1:34:35

it was validating and invalidating

1:34:37

and perfect tools. I

1:34:40

am very much a fan of the show. If

1:34:42

you ever had any like for it, don't listen to... Don't

1:34:45

listen to clout fiends on Twitter saying Scott Pilgrim's

1:34:48

the worst. They're the worst. And

1:34:50

they could never make a... Never somehow like

1:34:53

idealize their childhood as anything but trauma

1:34:56

or suffering. I don't think we need to worry about it because none of those people

1:34:58

actually boycott the thing that they think they're going to

1:35:00

work in. Otherwise they wouldn't be part of the discourse

1:35:02

of it. They just hate Scott himself. Like

1:35:06

somebody ford me a couple tweets and just like,

1:35:08

nobody knows what this is. This movie

1:35:11

is a bomb and it's a book. Why

1:35:14

do you think it didn't? Scott

1:35:16

Pilgrim is beast. It's not a fandom issue if you don't

1:35:18

hate 20% of the things you do. Yeah, it's so crazy. Yeah. All

1:35:21

right, let's move on. Yeah, we should move on. Let's

1:35:23

jump into... Yeah, that other part of the show. No, I thought

1:35:25

it was new releases,

1:35:25

I forgot. Scott Pilgrim really threw me in the formula. That's why I'm talking over

1:35:27

this thing. Good. I'm not going to let anybody

1:35:29

hear it. You're violating the holy sanctity of the film. We fooled

1:35:32

you. There's no news this week. There's nothing going on.

1:35:34

Everyone's got Thanksgiving off. So instead we bring you game deals. Oh,

1:35:36

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1:35:37

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

1:35:40

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

1:35:42

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1:35:45

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

1:35:47

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

1:35:49

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

1:35:51

sorry. I'm sorry. Take

1:35:55

my advice and do as I say. Save

1:35:57

a little money for a reindeer. I

1:36:03

just want to point out there

1:36:05

it is. I just want to point out Sometimes

1:36:08

behind the scenes we talk about the salaciousness

1:36:10

of the 24-hour news cycle and how much worse that

1:36:12

has gotten with the internet and social media Nothing

1:36:15

highlights that more than when it's Thanksgiving

1:36:18

because apparently when that happens news

1:36:20

doesn't Traffic

1:36:24

quotas matter No news,

1:36:27

maybe Brittany Murphy will die and someone has to

1:36:29

load up the fucking like no shortage of

1:36:31

Black Friday coverage Which starts earlier? Yeah

1:36:34

Somebody said it's been Black Friday

1:36:36

since September and they're not wrong So

1:36:41

I wanted to do this a little different than I have in years

1:36:43

past like look we all know

1:36:45

by now The best deals you're gonna get

1:36:48

those are on those digital stores, right? You

1:36:50

don't need to read off the shit Go on

1:36:52

your PlayStation or your Xbox or switch

1:36:55

to see so instead

1:36:57

I decided to focus on physical

1:37:00

media stuff you got to get at Retail

1:37:04

because let's get that is the stuff that

1:37:06

you know isn't gonna be around next

1:37:08

time It's in it's I I've been

1:37:11

to the last couple Black Friday things are not necessarily

1:37:13

that doorbuster thing where people are breaking through The gate

1:37:15

to get they're kind of sometimes

1:37:18

they're clearing out inventory in ways You

1:37:20

should definitely take advantage of like no

1:37:22

we bought too many Resident Evil 4s. This

1:37:25

isn't a poorly selling game We

1:37:27

have a lot left 20 bucks Cool

1:37:30

dope what I think what this made me realize

1:37:32

is like at least in the States and I do

1:37:35

apologize folks I didn't gather stuff

1:37:37

from game for all you Europeans

1:37:39

or whatever. So but no I

1:37:41

You know,

1:37:42

but I realize or gaming when

1:37:44

DIGO from goddamn Canada or whatever the

1:37:46

fuck their store is called We only have

1:37:48

like Amazon Best Buy and Walmart

1:37:57

and Target and this is the last of their

1:37:59

physical media as has been reported

1:38:01

previously?

1:38:03

Well except for games except for games.

1:38:05

So right game games will so be there games

1:38:07

they they redeemed So

1:38:10

on Amazon the way I kind of divided these up is I

1:38:12

have kind of where you can get stuff and then I have

1:38:14

one That's all about hardware. So what we're gonna start

1:38:16

with some of the games and I tried to limit this

1:38:18

really just to

1:38:20

Releases that were either at the end of last year or

1:38:22

this year current games and

1:38:25

things that are actually a pretty good discount

1:38:27

Especially if you compare with the digital

1:38:29

side with the game things you might have been waiting to pull

1:38:31

the trigger on you want the best Price check

1:38:34

the digital storefronts. You're probably gonna get it. But uh,

1:38:36

but no I will start here This

1:38:38

is a last year game, but Mario and Rabbids sparks

1:38:40

of hope Hell yeah game for $15 at

1:38:43

Amazon. What it's fantastic I

1:38:46

love this really good and not just because I work

1:38:48

for Ubisoft So Amazon also has

1:38:51

my game Sonic superstars

1:38:53

for $35 So

1:38:56

that is that is the cheapest you're gonna find that game right

1:38:58

now So go to Amazon get

1:39:00

someone price matches it with I think Best Buy

1:39:03

might have I think a few places Yep. Yep. It

1:39:05

also has Hot Wheels unleash to the sequel

1:39:07

to that Hot Wheels arcade racing game $35. Oh,

1:39:10

the new just dance just dance 2024 $30 Mortal

1:39:16

Kombat one one of my favorite games of the

1:39:19

year $40 down from I think that's a $70 Our

1:39:22

game $35 for

1:39:28

dead right. Oh,

1:39:30

that is amazing deal NBA

1:39:32

2k the new one the Kobe Bryant edition.

1:39:34

So like the best one $30 that's

1:39:37

over half off because again, that's a $70 game

1:39:40

and these are all a reminder of these are all at Amazon They

1:39:43

also have the new NHL 2k. That's $32

1:39:46

again a $70 game down to 32 bucks

1:39:50

Then they have a couple I did said focus

1:39:52

on physical but they have a couple digital things

1:39:54

So you can get a $50 Xbox gift

1:39:57

card for 45 bucks. So save yourself 10%

1:39:59

Same thing eShop cards are 10%

1:40:02

off as well. So

1:40:05

stock up on some of those and then I

1:40:07

know for Chris for low-crispy You

1:40:10

can get up to 60% off

1:40:12

arcade 1-up machines depending on the

1:40:14

machine. Oh, hell yeah I can pay $300

1:40:17

for two games now. Gimme gimme gimme Like

1:40:20

the cheapest one I saw was still like 260 bucks. I paid more

1:40:22

than $100 for one of those things Still

1:40:26

significant thing start talking to your Walmart

1:40:29

employee in the electronic section become friends

1:40:31

with them He'll sell you the floor model for nothing Let's

1:40:34

see over on the best-by-side

1:40:35

Chances are the probably gonna price match

1:40:37

a lot of what you just heard but I saw some other

1:40:39

games So yakuza ishin the

1:40:42

the game from earlier this year. There's the one that's

1:40:44

the samurai yakuza game on ps5 20 bucks That's

1:40:48

a great deal Metal Gear Solid

1:40:50

master collection the new one all those remakes

1:40:52

that just came out together remasters I should say $40

1:40:56

Resident Evil 4 spoiler one

1:40:58

of our favorite games of the year 40 bucks and Final

1:41:01

Fantasy 16 spoiler only my

1:41:03

one of my favorite games of the year. It turns

1:41:06

out no Well,

1:41:08

I had a great 40 hours of that game and

1:41:11

then 20 hours like dude you should end this God

1:41:15

of War Ragnarok again last year's game, but you can get it

1:41:18

for $35. That's pretty pretty good Yeah,

1:41:20

Street Fighter 6 $40 They

1:41:23

also have Dead Island 2 35 Assassin's

1:41:26

Creed Mirage brand-new game Remnant 2

1:41:32

hey Chris my games the year $40, baby

1:41:35

You can get it for $40 a

1:41:38

Star Wars Jedi survivor one

1:41:40

of the best games of the year from earlier in the year

1:41:43

$35 this is the biggie that I keep seeing and this

1:41:46

could mean lots of things I don't know how to

1:41:48

interpret this because actually EA did

1:41:50

this with all their sports titles EA Sports

1:41:53

Football Club, which is the FIFA replacement

1:41:55

as you might remember they've got rid of the FIFA

1:41:57

license now the new one is

1:42:00

normally a $70 game, it

1:42:03

is already marked down to $30. That

1:42:05

came out like a month ago.

1:42:06

That's either how poorly it's

1:42:08

doing or how much they're saving from not paying

1:42:11

FIFA. So I was looking at the

1:42:13

sales charts and in terms of like their launch

1:42:16

month, at least in Europe, the ones where they still publish

1:42:18

like physical units-wise,

1:42:20

it was only like 5% lower than

1:42:23

the FIFA version last year. So

1:42:26

I think they're doing fine. I

1:42:28

think with a lot of these EA games, because Madden

1:42:30

is also $30 down from $70, it's

1:42:34

the way to get you in the door so you can play. It's the

1:42:37

footy, baby. It's the ultimate team stuff. If FIFA

1:42:39

was taking less than 40%, I

1:42:42

will be shocked. I

1:42:44

don't know. I don't know. I've just heard how ridiculously

1:42:47

expensive it is to make games like that because

1:42:49

of the license. Mm-hmm. The FIFA

1:42:51

license is awful. Oh, the new

1:42:53

crew, the crew Motofest, $40. Again,

1:42:56

this is all at Best Buy. They

1:42:58

also have Sparks of Hope for $15. And

1:43:00

then the remaster

1:43:02

from earlier this year, but on Switch, Kirby's return

1:43:05

to Dreamland Deluxe is down to $30. That's

1:43:08

the only... Like I would not usurp your segment,

1:43:10

Matt, but you asked earlier. Nintendo

1:43:12

games first party rarely go on sale, and

1:43:14

if they do, it's always like $5 to $10. Mario

1:43:17

Strikers, Battle League, Fire Emblem Warriors, Three

1:43:19

Hopes, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, and

1:43:22

Kirby's Return to Dreamland are all half

1:43:24

off. Everywhere. Yeah, normally they go down

1:43:26

to $40, but yes, they went down to $30 with

1:43:28

that. That is unprecedented as far

1:43:31

as a deal hunter like me is concerned. They

1:43:33

do it more with their remasters. I

1:43:35

remember the Zelda, the Game

1:43:37

Boy Zelda that got remade like that, they

1:43:40

put on sale. And I have hope for you, Chris,

1:43:42

that

1:43:43

Mario RPG will probably be on

1:43:45

sale sooner and for a slightly deeper

1:43:47

discount. Over on the target side,

1:43:50

they already think we might have said this last week, but they

1:43:52

have a buy to get one going on

1:43:54

as well as several of the same game prices

1:43:57

listed above. Go get yourself a target.

1:43:59

you prefer because

1:44:02

they are I went to two targets

1:44:05

yes the rumor and slight

1:44:08

confirmation is they're getting rid of their physical media section

1:44:11

it's for books movies and LPs

1:44:13

they're dismantling those sections right now

1:44:16

like they don't like they're not going to exist in

1:44:18

a month so I forget

1:44:22

oh when there was Circuit City that closed and Michael

1:44:24

Michael's like I'm gonna take the day off and go to Circuit

1:44:26

City and pick their bones

1:44:29

that's what you should do at

1:44:36

Target right now with games and

1:44:38

all other physical media because I don't know that

1:44:40

you'll see it again so fun

1:44:42

memories of getting like you'll see thousand

1:44:44

dollars worth of games for like 200 I remember

1:44:47

we all got like Metroid Prime trilogy sealed

1:44:50

for like like seven dollars

1:44:52

they were the employees were calling us back I'll suck your

1:44:54

dick that's right you will yeah the game software

1:45:00

do this in one year

1:45:02

so on the hardware side so we

1:45:04

cover all the software stuff and again go look

1:45:07

at the digital stores they have a lot more games on sale

1:45:09

that I didn't mention I'll go down

1:45:11

with Xbox first so the best deal

1:45:14

that I was able to find an Xbox is actually on Dell

1:45:17

yes that Dell the PC people

1:45:20

they secretly have sold video games for years and no

1:45:22

one ever talks you're getting some Dell cookies and

1:45:25

you're brows

1:45:28

they have is on Xbox series s

1:45:30

the 512 gigabyte model

1:45:33

but this one comes with three free

1:45:35

months of game pass yep and all

1:45:37

that together is 235 that's all nice so that's already the

1:45:41

consoles on sale at that

1:45:44

point and you get basically each month of those is 15

1:45:46

bucks or more so yeah you're getting some pretty good

1:45:48

savings if you want to get it without the game pass you only

1:45:50

save 10 bucks it's only 225 so I recommend get

1:45:53

that to you here Maddie at a glance I didn't

1:45:55

see a ton of sales I have

1:45:57

seen sales on I think

1:45:59

the

1:45:59

OLED Switch is 50 bucks off for most

1:46:02

places. I, so the one I saw was

1:46:04

you can get a bundle with Smash Bros.

1:46:06

for 350, but that didn't feel

1:46:09

like a saving. Yeah. That just

1:46:11

is like. I think that's always what it is. It's

1:46:13

always around 350. Yeah. What I was going to ask you,

1:46:15

I didn't see any savings on Xbox

1:46:18

Series X, but Xbox Series. Why don't

1:46:20

you wait and you know it's weird. Oh

1:46:22

great. Xbox Series S though is on sale everywhere,

1:46:25

and if you only want a Game Pass machine,

1:46:27