Mindaugas Petrutis, head of the On Deck Design Fellowship, and Jeff Anders (Hilnbrand) (@jeffand_), Co-Founder of Ambrook, join Erik on this episode.

They discuss:

- The On Deck Design Fellowship.

- The five I’s of design.

- How to think about the forks in the road you’ll face as a designer.

- Whether to move into management or continue as an individual contributor.

- What you will get out of the ODD Fellowship.

- How to think about transitioning to a specific vertical as a designer.

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