On Episode 16, Kelsey has an extended conversation on the topic of “gurus” with Ellen Geis. They reflect on listening to recent exposes about Teal Swan, lack of accountability in the “New Age,” and how learning about the Satanic Panic gave Ellen a new understanding of current happenings. They share candidly about their personal experiences exploring new age teachings over the course of the pandemic; experiences of guilt, and shame, and confusion. Finally, Ellen shares her biggest takeaways and a valuable dose of wisdom for others who are curious, questioning and trying to figure out things for themselves.

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Podcasts we mention

The Gateway Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ez7WIIdyxhPbq5W6dJpiW?si=4e5cc101e04b4dae
Mormon Stories episode with Teal Swan's best friend: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6CKIriGAojj3zEunQHm8vU?si=40718cc1d56145f2