Marcus speaks with Saul Levin, Executive Director of TIPS (Trade and Industrial Policy Strategies), a leading South African economic research institute. Saul gives his views on industrial policy in South Africa, progress towards a clean energy transition and the state of intra-regional trade within Southern Africa. He reflects too on the upbeat mood among companies and investors at the recently concluded fourth instalment of the South Africa Investment Conference - an event to market the country as an investment destination. Visit www.tips.org.za for more information.