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a Tuesday and we will have the
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Nfl draft just around the corner on
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Thursday mean. JBT love betting this
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event. It's one that moves very rapidly
2:03
as we saw with the number two
2:05
overall pick market What's on here? You're
2:08
smiling. I'm just excited excited
2:10
for our next guest All right JP Finley
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who covers the Washington commanders for? NBC
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4 and also hosts a show on 106
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7 the fan in my hometown of Washington
2:19
DC joins us right now JP I was
2:21
texting with you last night. We
2:24
heard from Adam Peters did the
2:26
obligatory press conference didn't really reveal
2:28
all that much but we
2:30
saw a massive shift in the betting market and
2:33
I'm curious your thoughts on it because my
2:35
Assumption is just we're moving back to Normalcy
2:39
because we had no legitimacy saying
2:41
that Jaden Daniels was going to
2:43
be the guy It's
2:47
interesting because I think folks
2:50
around the league Believe
2:52
Daniels is going to be the guy But
2:55
I think nobody in Washington has
2:57
hinted at all who
2:59
it's going to be and You
3:02
know Adam Peters spoke yesterday to your point and
3:04
really said nothing I'd
3:07
also say You
3:10
know they've had they had this kind of wacky Or
3:14
at least different process earlier
3:16
this week where they invited about 20 prospects in
3:20
to Their
3:22
practice facility including four quarterbacks all
3:25
at the same time they had
3:28
Pennick's McCarthy May and Daniels all
3:30
here at once they went to
3:32
top golf on I guess
3:35
it would be Tuesday night and then
3:37
they all had individual meetings on Wednesday
3:39
and Certainly
3:42
that's a different process and Peters
3:45
talked about how he really enjoyed seeing all
3:47
the guys in a relaxed atmosphere and kind
3:49
of how they interacted with one another but
3:52
after that process Mike Florio of
3:55
pro football talk had He
3:58
just said that he He
4:01
expressed that he thought it was kind of
4:03
low rent, I would say like he just didn't think it
4:05
made any sense to do that with quarterbacks
4:08
when you can spend individual time with
4:10
them. And Jaden Daniels agent
4:13
quote, tweeted the florio
4:15
video with like the
4:18
thinking emoji. And it's
4:20
pretty clear that the agent was mad
4:22
about it or didn't like the process.
4:26
And in the time since, I
4:28
think Pelocero reported that Daniels is
4:30
meeting with Minnesota with the Vikings.
4:34
So you've got this
4:37
bit of injury to add to
4:39
the draft process, which is just drags
4:42
on forever and ever and ever. And
4:44
maybe they really are back to square one where it's
4:47
May or Daniels and who knows who it'll be. So
4:51
we've heard that there were, what were the term
4:53
signs and signals this whole time that it was
4:55
Jaden Daniels, that they're leaning toward that direction. Can
4:57
you tell us what those signs and signals are?
4:59
Like how do we get to the point where
5:01
we thought this was going to be Daniels? What
5:03
were the signs that were there? Well,
5:07
to start, Daniels had a monster season, right?
5:10
Like I think ultimately
5:12
we had to circle back to football with this.
5:15
And I think Daniels was awesome last
5:18
year. And that's kind of what
5:20
started it all. And
5:22
then, you know, various times, Dan
5:25
Quinn has talked about wanting a
5:27
game changing quarterback. And
5:29
yesterday, something was kind of interesting. I asked
5:31
Adam Peters, how did you balance drafting
5:34
a guy that could be really good in a
5:36
couple of years versus somebody that could play right
5:38
away. And he
5:40
said, you know, in the first round, we're not really looking
5:43
for somebody that needs a couple of years to develop. I
5:46
don't know that that's the case with Drake May, but people
5:48
will tell you kind of his footwork and the inaccuracy
5:52
close to the line of
5:54
scrimmage is something they'd like to see him work
5:57
on. And Daniel seems to be
5:59
a good player. little more pro ready. But
6:02
you know the signs and
6:05
signals like that kind of stuff
6:07
would probably be national
6:09
level and Schefter is kind of hinted
6:11
that that he has heard from people
6:13
around the league that he thinks it
6:16
will be Jaden to Washington.
6:18
But I mean there's
6:21
never been like a firm
6:23
it's Daniels report ever. JP
6:26
Finley joining us on our progressive guest line
6:29
you can see him on NBC four
6:31
in Washington D.C. can also hear him on
6:33
one of six seven the fan with former
6:35
Washington Redskins Brian Mitchell. We just
6:37
had Jay Gruden on former commander head coach or
6:40
former Washington head coach I should say last
6:42
hour and I was joking with him. I don't know if
6:44
I said it on air off there but we
6:47
all know in twenty nineteen the ownership group
6:49
walked in and said hey you're taking Dwayne
6:51
Haskins at fifteen. So we have a new
6:54
ownership group in Washington a new front office
6:56
a new head coach. Have you
6:58
got any indication of how this could
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potentially play out. I'm not naive enough
7:02
to think that Josh Harris the new
7:05
owner of Washington is going to completely
7:07
stay out of it. But what's your
7:09
feel. Adam Peters is the new GM
7:11
Dan Quinn's a new head coach. They
7:13
bring in Cliff Kingsbury. What's
7:15
the process from what you
7:17
understand going to be like when they come
7:20
to this decision on number two. Yeah.
7:23
So Peter yesterday said that they're really
7:25
close towards making that decision. But
7:28
Harris has been involved. He
7:31
was involved at the combine. He
7:33
was at the top golf and subsequent
7:35
meetings. Now
7:37
he Josh Harris explained the combine. He's
7:39
like yes my first time doing it.
7:41
I just wanted to observe and see
7:43
the process. It's been
7:46
Peters was asked about Harris being involved
7:48
yesterday. He's like he's been extremely supportive.
7:51
He's given us every tool we need
7:53
and allow us to do what we
7:55
need to do. I think there
7:58
is like perhaps a healthy. level
8:00
of involvement where he's there and
8:03
able to chime in or, I think
8:06
the smartest way for, I mean,
8:09
having watched closely this Washington
8:11
organization for 20 years and professionally
8:13
for a decade, I think
8:16
there's a healthy way for a good general
8:19
manager to kind of manage up with
8:21
the owner versus
8:23
the completely toxic and unhealthy way that
8:25
Dan Sider kind of managed down. I
8:29
think with the number two pick in a franchise
8:31
quarterback, every GM and football is
8:33
going to, you know,
8:36
kind of go to the owner before the pick gets made
8:38
and say, Hey, this is what we're doing and make
8:40
sure everybody's kind of on board. But
8:42
I don't get the sense at all
8:44
that Harris is demanding, you know, I
8:46
mean, you go back to the Dan Haskins thing
8:48
and the rumors that like Dan's son knew Haskins
8:51
from high school. And that was a big factor.
8:53
I got, I had
8:55
somebody from
8:57
the football world say to me, you know, if
9:00
Dan was still running things, do you think
9:02
he would trade everything to go get Caleb
9:04
Williams? Cause Caleb Williams is a DC guy
9:07
and part of me is like,
9:09
yeah, I think he would frankly. And that's
9:11
not the case at all anymore. So I
9:13
just think they are, is the
9:16
owner involved? Yes. Is it, is
9:19
his involvement in a professional healthy
9:22
manner? I would say yes. Also. So
9:24
we also know that, you know, we're obviously obsessing over
9:26
this cause it's the second pick and it can shape
9:28
the draft. As we know, whoever they decide to take
9:31
Washington also has the 36th pick
9:33
here. JP, what do you think they do there
9:35
in terms of targeting a position in their second
9:37
round selection? They
9:40
just really need a left tackle. Probably like
9:42
a left tackle of the future. They have
9:45
36 and 40 and it
9:47
would shock nobody if they
9:49
tried to move up. Like,
9:51
so they have five, I'm sorry, they have six picks now
9:54
in the top 100. If they tried to get
9:56
to 25. or
10:00
something and and get a tackle there
10:02
especially you know you get in that
10:04
first round you get that fifth year
10:06
rookie option for a position where
10:08
if you hit on it is really expensive
10:11
once you get into a second contract I
10:14
would not be stunned whatsoever if they try
10:16
to get aggressive and tackle. He's
10:19
a big guy out of Arizona they've kind
10:21
of been connected with. I really like
10:24
there's a guy
10:26
that doesn't have a lot of experience this kid Mims
10:28
out of Georgia but he's just a physical beast
10:32
and I think if he can grow
10:34
into that position for you you really got
10:36
something so I think it's
10:39
I mean they were bad last
10:41
year they had no Pro Bowlers last year
10:43
they got holes all over the roster and
10:45
they were really active and free agency to
10:47
try to fill a lot of those holes
10:49
but if you think about it it's not
10:52
they didn't give out a lot of long-term
10:54
deals it's a lot of one-year deals or
10:56
deals that only have guaranteed money on one
10:59
year they got a bunch of band-aids to
11:01
make them competitive this season so there's
11:03
hardly a position where I would look
11:06
at on this team that they don't
11:08
need frankly so could
11:10
they go edge rusher there sure could they
11:12
go corner there sure and some of it
11:14
will depend on how the draft board falls
11:17
but I think there's concern
11:19
at the tackle position
11:21
that there's it's kind of
11:24
a top-heavy group if you listen to the
11:26
scouts where you know if you get
11:28
somebody in that first round
11:30
or by 36 or 40 you've
11:33
got a real prospect but after that it kind of falls
11:35
off JP Finley joining us
11:37
here from from NBC and 106.7
11:39
the van in Washington DC
11:42
our JP I'll let you run on this let's
11:44
just circle back at two on Thursday
11:46
night in Detroit the card gets handed in
11:48
I'm not telling you report anything just
11:50
your gut feel right now from what you've
11:53
heard from around the league is it Jaden
11:55
Daniels is it Drake May is it anybody
11:57
else what's your meal right now don't I
12:04
don't know, dude. I truly don't know.
12:07
My gut feel is Daniel's, but
12:09
I do not know. It could be May
12:11
for sure. It's
12:13
wild watching these odds go crazy when
12:15
I'm trying to remind myself that this
12:18
time last year the odds went crazy
12:20
around TJ Stroud. Yeah, they did. Will
12:22
Lewis, TJ Stroud. And I
12:24
think your answer is why the odds have moved
12:26
back. Nobody knows. And
12:28
you cover the team. You would be telling us if
12:30
it was Jaden Daniels. Hey, JP, appreciate it, brother. Talk
12:32
to you soon, man. Thanks,
12:35
guys. Take care. There he is, JP Finley
12:37
on a progressive guest line. And
12:40
I know we've been talking about it a lot. The odds
12:42
have been moving like crazy, but I
12:44
just think that's where we're at. I
12:46
think actually the big takeaway is the offensive line
12:48
bit. With 9 1.5 for
12:50
the first-round offensive linemen, not
12:52
shaded too high, but Washington as a candidate
12:54
get back to that first-round draft, one of
12:57
these guys in the back end. Too high
12:59
end for second-round picks. You look at the
13:01
tackle market. Also, I'll mention this, Olo Fushanu
13:03
from D.C. if he slides a little bit,
13:05
could Washington look up to get the tackle
13:07
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fellas. So we'll see. I got
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to pipe into Sean, see what he's thinking. But I, yeah,
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I got to, got to get working on mine. Safe
16:10
to say that you're going to be, you've already bet it.
16:12
Offensive lineman over nine and a half, right? Yeah, over nine
16:14
and a half. The price I got was minus 140. I
16:17
think we're still floating around that range. I have a check for
16:19
a couple of days. I'll double check right now. But yes, that
16:21
was one of the early ones that I had bet. If
16:24
you look at it for the offensive line, obviously it's a
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pretty deep class. It is a position
16:28
of value. And just kind of reading the
16:30
tee leaves, talking to people. If there was
16:32
a position you were going to kind of let go
16:34
to the wayside in order to jump on some of
16:36
the premier guys, you're going to get along the offensive
16:39
line. Could be wide receiver that you kind of let
16:41
go. Could be corner, but it does seem that there
16:43
is kind of an emphasis on what this could be.
16:45
And JP bringing that up, JP Finley, it's a really
16:47
good point, which is, you know, if you hit on
16:49
an offensive tackle, these guys do tend to be expensive.
16:51
So we always talk about these fifth year options for
16:53
guys. And in terms of the quarterback position, you
16:56
get fifth year options for everybody. And so if
16:58
you get a fifth year option on a stud offensive
17:00
tackle, if you hit it right, that could be a
17:02
really big tool. So I do think that you're probably going
17:04
to see this happen with these offensive line to go pretty
17:06
quick. I haven't found them on draft. There's anything less than
17:09
10 going in the first
17:11
round. So I thought nine and a half of
17:13
that might that that price was worth it. Yeah.
17:15
And you've shared a couple of reports like Graham
17:17
Barton, the kid out of Duke versatility, plays center,
17:19
could play tackle. He's been linked to the Steelers
17:21
at 20. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who
17:23
said earlier this week that he is, he is
17:26
someone he would buy stock in right now. So
17:28
that was a bet that I put in under
17:30
21 and a half for Graham Barton. You could
17:32
have got a better number at 23 and a half and
17:34
they go open here at circa. And it does lead to,
17:37
to I think the other popular one, the one we've seen
17:39
move a little bit, total offensive players in the first round.
17:41
21 and a half now. Yes. It's gone from 20 and
17:43
a half to now 21 and a half shaded to the
17:45
under minus 175. By the way, offensive linemen
17:48
still nine and a half, but over minus 200 that
17:50
these are just numbers of trafficking. So shop around and
17:52
find those out. But it does seem that we could
17:54
get a record number of offensive players selected in the
17:56
first round. At least the market definitely thinking that and
17:59
it doesn't make sense. Right? You know, four
18:01
and a half, five quarterbacks. So the general thought
18:03
process there, 10,
18:05
11 offensive linemen, six wide receivers. Like you're talking
18:07
about quite a few offensive pieces going here in
18:09
the first round, it looks like. Yeah, we don't
18:11
know when that first offensive player
18:13
is going to come. Most Mocs have
18:16
quarterbacks, one, two, three. Then Marvin Harrison at
18:18
four. Is it a trade up for another
18:20
quarterback? Malik Nabors is finding his way into
18:23
the top six or seven. Roma Dunsey, Joe
18:25
Alt. Is it going to be Dallas
18:27
Turner at eight? If it's not Dallas Turner at eight,
18:29
who could be that first defensive player? We could
18:32
see a lot of offensive players off the
18:34
board rather quickly. Does Brock Bowers go in
18:36
the top 10? That's been a discussion this
18:39
week as well. So we'll wrap up the
18:41
show, obviously, with what's in pocket. And we'll
18:43
give kind of final thoughts on the NFL
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draft as we head into the weekend. But
18:48
of course, we do have the play and
18:50
tournament wrapping up this evening. Two
18:52
games, New Orleans is the late
18:54
night game, New Orleans, hosting Sacramento.
18:57
Market right now sits at New Orleans,
18:59
catching 1 and 1.5 or 1. Circa
19:02
was sitting at pick yesterday, but that got
19:04
banged up to Sacramento minus 1. And in
19:06
the early game is Miami and Chicago, Miami
19:09
right now laying, we'll say, 1 and 1.5
19:11
of Draft Kings, 2 and 1.5 here at
19:13
Circa. Some Miami money has hit the
19:15
market. No Jimmy Butler from Miami, as
19:18
we know. Alex Caruso, very
19:20
up in the air status. Adrian
19:22
Wojnarowski said they were, I guess,
19:24
cautiously optimistic that he could potentially
19:27
play, look better than what
19:29
we had initially been told, and then obviously
19:31
no Zion for New Orleans. So two games
19:33
tonight, JVT. How do you look at these
19:36
two games from a side and total perspective
19:38
and anything you're looking to put in your
19:40
pocket? Sacramento, New Orleans is kind
19:42
of interesting too. Because I'll say this, I don't think
19:45
we're probably going to get much movement there anymore, right?
19:47
It seems fair to say. For Sacramento, New Orleans, the
19:50
injuries are known. We know the personnel that's
19:52
going to be available. Market shaped itself, and
19:54
now it just kind of floats out there,
19:56
maybe half point moving in one direction or
19:58
the other. going to
20:00
be really fun to watch is going to be
20:02
where this game is played from a pace standpoint
20:04
thus scoring the total you
20:06
mentioned really really low now after the
20:08
injuries in the market settled in down
20:11
to two ten and a half and on the
20:13
surface you would think between these two teams like
20:15
oh it's extremely low right like these two teams
20:17
generally you would think of as over teams but
20:19
that hasn't really been the case for Sacramento they've
20:21
been one of the best under teams since March
20:23
10th they have played very very strongly
20:26
to the under and in fact for the season I
20:28
think they got a pretty big decent edge to the
20:30
under only double check here in the notes yeah 44 and
20:32
37 and 2 to the under so
20:35
far for Sacramento and a lot of that damage has come
20:37
in the last few weeks and in fact six and one
20:39
to the under in their last seven sample size grows out
20:41
past there so I'm really curious to see where this is
20:44
played because Sacramento does tend to get a little hot pretty
20:46
quickly right you hit a couple three point shots you drive
20:48
these totals up and then maybe you can get in-game on
20:50
this under but I don't think you're gonna move much here
20:52
Tim so I think you probably just pick your
20:55
side and right stake your claim
20:57
when it comes to Sacramento in New Orleans yeah and
20:59
you know we mentioned the betting splits are showing you
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the graphic right now by the way vc.com/splits you can
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get it for free for two weeks not
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with the NBA playoffs NHL playoffs getting rolling
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here but right now at
21:12
DraftKings overwhelming support for Sacramento
21:14
83% of the bets 85% of the handle
21:16
on the Kings
21:21
my initial gut and I texted you last night
21:23
and I said am I crazy for kind of
21:25
liking the pelicans I think your response was
21:27
without Zion kind of yeah I
21:30
would be pelicans are past here because I
21:32
do anticipate a much better performance
21:34
from CJ McCollum the wild card and why I haven't
21:37
gotten to the window yet is Brandon
21:39
Ingram right I mean it was his first
21:41
game and in three weeks he looked terrible
21:43
he got benched you know I know they
21:45
were you know talking positively about it Lee
21:47
about he came into the gym
21:49
the next day and was ready to go
21:52
and also you look at Sacramento and the
21:54
performance that they just had JBT on on
21:56
Tuesday night I thought they were you know they shot
21:58
out of their minds and performance you
22:01
saw what Keegan Murray go 8 of 13 from 3 so I think there's a
22:04
little bit of positive you know negative
22:07
regression coming for this Kings team and
22:09
I think a little positive regression for
22:11
the Pelicans that said the reason I
22:13
haven't got to the window yet is
22:15
well Zion Williamson was playing
22:17
the best game of his career and he's not
22:19
gonna play tonight so that certainly would be a
22:21
bit of a an issue. By the
22:23
way I went back and looked really quickly 16 and 4 to
22:26
the under for the Kings in their last
22:29
20 games so something of something to monitor
22:31
as you look at this right we've seen
22:33
up until the Bulls heat
22:35
game which flew over the total
22:37
so you both Hawks a bigger
22:39
part and then heat and Sixers
22:43
flew over with a last-second three from Tyler don't
22:45
forget the don't forget the foul don't forget the off-ball
22:47
foul the game with tech free throw that allowed that
22:49
to happen so up until that point
22:52
unders were 12 and 2 in the playing tournament now
22:54
they're 12 and 4 you get that kind
22:57
of game seven field that I know will
22:59
be regurgitated a lot all
23:01
week but man you've seen a movement
23:03
of what eight points off of the open 29 actually nine
23:06
points I think it was 219 and a half yeah so
23:08
you get no Zion but I
23:10
would say I wouldn't look a little
23:12
under 210 and a half more if anything right
23:14
I mean yeah I think you potentially it's
23:16
so much it's so it's so low that like
23:18
I said like you they open this game they
23:20
both hit threes you're gonna be able to get
23:22
under right a better number in
23:24
this matchup too and as I mentioned as well
23:26
Sacramento does have a tendency to
23:28
get kind of hot pretty early they did it against
23:31
Golden State you know and before that kind of died down
23:33
we saw multiple times down the stretch as well so
23:35
I think that's probably the angle you're going for here and
23:37
look I think the real angle too is this kind of
23:39
boring right because you want some action going into it
23:41
it's a one-point spread I mean you're going to
23:43
be able to find angles in game look at that
23:45
look at all of these games you could go back
23:47
to for okay Miami and Philadelphia Miami
23:50
goes down goes up big in the first
23:52
half Philadelphia comes storming back
23:54
eventually wins a game plenty of in-game opportunity
23:56
there Chicago and Atlanta Chicago actually got off
23:58
to a really hot start and lay
24:00
them close to a three point game in the third quarter.
24:02
So, you know, there's definitely a lot of different opportunities there
24:04
to get inside of either numbers or late cheap numbers, whatever
24:06
it is. If you didn't get involved and you thought Chicago
24:08
pulled that back out, you can lay it when they were
24:11
only up by three, whatever it was, they end up winning
24:13
by a wide margin. We can go
24:15
up and down the list. I mean, shoot,
24:17
Golden State Sacramento, Golden State right before
24:19
halftime, goes on a run, cuts at the four, looks
24:21
like, hey, maybe they're going to get right back into
24:23
this. But you came back in on the other side
24:26
and just laid it with the Sacramento Kings, they go
24:28
off and win by margin. I mean, every single game
24:30
has an example of this. Golden State was minus two
24:32
in the second half. It was a four point game
24:34
and they lost by, you know, 20. Yep. And of
24:37
course, the Pelicans and Lakers, one of the better examples
24:39
where Lakers led by as much as I think 18,
24:42
and then they needed Zion Williamson to get hurt
24:44
in the fourth quarter before that happened. So as
24:46
boring as it is, really for
24:48
these games, I mean, in-game opportunities
24:51
are abound if you're just watching from start to
24:53
finish. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, yeah, I mean,
24:55
think about the way the Heat and Sixers games
24:57
started where it looked like the Sixers were kind
25:00
of dead and buried. Real quickly, we haven't hit
25:02
on this series. Cavs minus 195, Magic plus 165,
25:04
the NBA TV series. Any
25:09
thoughts on this one? Yeah, I
25:11
mean, I have thoughts. I don't know if
25:13
anybody really like it. It's done on NBA
25:15
TV for a reason, nothing that I can
25:17
simply put in 15 seconds. So I'll just
25:20
say that I'll watch it. We
25:23
got 30 minutes left. We can get more on this on the
25:25
other side, you know, but well, let Tom have a show if
25:28
he has some in-depth thoughts on
25:31
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Murray. We're in for the fellas on this
26:04
Friday morning. We've
26:07
got the final night of the
26:09
play-in tournament and the big boys
26:11
get rolling tomorrow. Four games
26:13
tomorrow, four games Sunday. Has to be JBT, one
26:15
of your favorite weekends of the year. Oh yeah,
26:17
very excited to watch it all the way through.
26:19
Four games each day. Just sit down, tell everybody
26:21
to get out. Let's go. And
26:23
a man who knows a thing or two
26:26
about the NBA doing some analytical work for
26:28
the Portland Trailblazers, writing for Yahoo Sports, and
26:30
also catch him on his sub-stack, tomthefinder.com.
26:32
It is Tom Havastro who joins us
26:35
here on our progressive guest line. Tom,
26:37
good morning. We appreciate you jumping on.
26:40
We'll start with Miami without Jimmy
26:42
Butler. The questions about Alex Caruso,
26:44
the injuries are piling up here,
26:46
which is kind of unfortunate to
26:48
see. But we've talked about it
26:50
a lot. How do you
26:52
expect Miami to perform tonight without
26:55
Jimmy Butler on the floor? Yeah,
26:58
I used to cover the Miami Heat six
27:00
years in Miami, and I got up close
27:02
and personal with the team and the organization.
27:05
And this is just going to be fueling
27:07
them in this game against the Chicago Bulls.
27:09
Now you can look analytically and not just
27:11
how they operate as an organization. Pat Riley
27:13
likes to say, you know, we're going to
27:15
burn the boats. Basically
27:18
once you go into battle and you can't go back now,
27:20
you're going to burn the boats and go into battle. And
27:22
that's kind of the mentality they're going to go into this
27:24
game. And I expect that they will
27:27
win in this game. Analytically
27:29
they are 13 and eight this
27:31
season when Bam out of bio
27:33
plays and Jimmy Butler does not.
27:37
So they do have a good track
27:39
record this year when they're having to
27:41
play short handed without Jimmy Butler. And
27:43
that very unfortunate injury there, uh, spraining
27:46
his MCL in the playing
27:48
game against the Philadelphia 76ers
27:50
was hobbled throughout. And
27:52
I think when you look at the Miami Heat, they
27:55
are going to be short handed, but they've done this before.
27:58
Uh, and Eric's bolster, I think it's the best. the
28:00
game and scheming wise I
28:02
suspect that the Chicago Bulls will struggle
28:04
to deal with BAM out
28:07
of Iowa and that zone defense that did
28:09
throttle a lot of what Philadelphia wanted to
28:11
do in that game. And if you had
28:13
had a healthy Jimmy Butler against Philadelphia, I
28:15
think they win that game handily. So I
28:18
expect the Miami Heat to miss
28:20
Jimmy Butler, but much less than I
28:22
think what people expect,
28:24
given that in those 21 games where they
28:26
did not have Jimmy Butler this year, but
28:29
BAM out of Iowa did play, there were actually five
28:31
games over 500. Yeah, and the market would agree with
28:33
that. We went from minus one and a half to
28:36
minus two and a half now for Miami. So there's
28:38
some thought from bettors as well that
28:40
the heat are going to pull this out. You kind of answered
28:42
the question I have for you. Are we going to see plenty
28:44
of this as I called it in the first hour? This amorphous
28:46
zone defense that had many different shapes against Philadelphia. You think there's
28:48
going to be plenty of that tonight? Yeah,
28:51
and remember, Eric Spulscher has a bunch of stuff
28:53
up his sleeve. He always does. And he'll he'll
28:55
throw Duncan Robinson at the top of the field.
28:58
He's going to throw Duncan Robinson at the top
29:00
of a one three one and hide Tyler hero
29:02
defensively. And that's kind of the
29:05
kind of trick that he pulls up his sleeve is
29:07
in today's NBA, you want to
29:09
target poor defenders and
29:12
he by going zone with two
29:14
guys, Duncan Robinson and
29:16
Tyler hero oftentimes the offense
29:18
can't get that targeting. They can't
29:20
head hunt for those defensive match ups.
29:22
And that really neutralizes a lot of
29:24
what opposing teams want to do. And
29:27
the zone defense has been very effective
29:29
and Jimmy Butler or not in
29:31
some ways without Jimmy Butler, I suspect that
29:34
they will go to that zone more because
29:36
Jimmy Butler is such a good on ball
29:38
defender going zone kind of
29:41
gets back to what they do best in
29:43
that zone, throwing the opposing offense off. And
29:45
I suspect that Alex Caruso as good as
29:47
he is a hobbled
29:50
Alex Caruso is going to be tough because you're
29:52
going to want to play that guy for 40
29:54
minutes. But he's in any
29:56
way compromised Alex
29:59
Caruso. at 60% is
30:02
not an average NBA player. So they're
30:04
going to want to play him a
30:06
lot, but we'll see the Miami Heat.
30:08
We'll be testing him every minute of
30:10
this game. Tom Havastrow joining us here
30:12
on follow the money. You can follow
30:14
him on Twitter at Tom Havastrow. He
30:16
joins us on our progressive guest line.
30:18
The nightcap is New Orleans and Sacramento.
30:20
And once again, another injury to note,
30:22
of course, Zion Williamson out and he
30:24
was playing phenomenally well against the Los
30:26
Angeles Lakers. So Brandon Ingram, his second
30:28
game back from injury. Uh, going
30:30
up against the Sacramento team has got their
30:32
own injury problems to deal with, but they
30:35
looked, uh, fantastic against Golden State. What do
30:37
you expect to see late night right now?
30:39
New Orleans, a slight home underdog around one,
30:41
one and a half to Sacramento. Didn't
30:44
you guys find it interesting that Willie
30:46
green kept Brandon Ingram on the bench
30:48
during that final few minutes? I mean,
30:50
I was sitting there being
30:52
like, wait, Zion's out and you're still
30:55
keeping BI on the bench. And that
30:57
told me one or two things. Either
30:59
Brandon Ingram, they have a really, uh,
31:01
load management mandate to keep his minutes
31:04
down so that he would be fresh
31:06
for this game, or that
31:08
injury is more serious than we believe, um,
31:11
or that is publicly known because Brandon
31:13
Ingram is an all-star he's a guy
31:15
that could have rescued them offensively, uh,
31:18
down the stretch without Zion Williamson and Willie
31:20
green not going to him tells me, uh,
31:23
one or two things to be true. And
31:25
so that is really alarming to me. Uh,
31:27
I think if you're the pelicans, you really
31:29
hope that they're saving Brandon Ingram down
31:31
the stretch there so that he doesn't overdo
31:34
it or over extend himself, and then they
31:36
have another major injury that can knock him
31:38
out for this game, but I think that
31:40
might've been overprotective. Uh, so maybe
31:42
we'll see Brandon Ingram carry them in this
31:44
game, but it is certainly alarming to me
31:46
that they did not go to Brandon Ingram
31:48
in that, uh, down the stretch
31:50
in that game, they certainly needed him, but
31:52
CJ McCollum might have to carry this offense
31:54
all the way. I think the Sacramento Kings
31:56
them being short-handed as well without Malik monk
31:59
and Kevin Herder. They looked great against
32:01
the Golden State Warriors, but to me, I think
32:04
Brandon Ingram, maybe they're arresting him for this game
32:06
tonight, and I expect them to come out firing.
32:08
Let's get to some of these series, and the
32:10
one that I think is the most intriguing, Tom,
32:13
is Milwaukee in Indiana. We know what's going on
32:15
with Giannis. The market has reacted quite heavily here.
32:17
They opened this series price up as Milwaukee minus
32:19
350. The Pacers are now favored
32:22
in this series. Am I crazy to kind of
32:24
want to buy back a little bit here on
32:26
Milwaukee? It's just they haven't seen each other since
32:28
Asia where they forgot fire to Pascal Ciacom was
32:30
a Toronto Raptor. A lot has changed here.
32:33
JVT, I kind of feel the
32:35
same way. That seems like an
32:37
overreaction, but what I also
32:40
notice in this series is that the
32:42
Pacers play the exact brand
32:44
of basketball that usually crushes the Milwaukee
32:46
Bucks. The Milwaukee Bucks have an atrocious
32:48
transition defense this season. They have not
32:51
gotten back on defense. It was true
32:53
with Griffin. It was true with Doc
32:55
Rivers, and I suspect that they are
32:57
just going to try to run the
33:00
Milwaukee Bucks out of the gym. And
33:02
what we know about NBA
33:04
defense, if you're not locked in, if you're
33:06
having chemistry issues or camaraderie or just locker
33:08
room issues or not everyone's on the same
33:11
page, that's where it shows
33:13
up is in the transition defense because
33:15
that more than anything is
33:17
about everybody being on the same page and
33:19
wanting to go the extra mile. And we
33:22
know this about the Indiana Pacers. They want
33:24
to run you out of the gym. Tyrese
33:26
Halliburton has been kind of hampered with the
33:28
hamstring injury from earlier this year. The player
33:31
participation policy prompted him to try to get
33:33
back earlier than I think what he wanted
33:35
to do. But we know even
33:37
without Tyrese Halliburton, it's not just a one-man
33:39
system. This isn't a James Harden situation where
33:42
he believes he is the system. No matter
33:44
who's on the floor, T.J. McConnell or Tyrese
33:47
Halliburton, they're going to try to run the
33:49
Milwaukee Bucks out of the gym and with Brooke
33:51
Lopez at his age. And
33:54
they're so much better as a set defense.
33:56
I think the Indiana Pacers have kind of
33:58
this David versus Goliath. the
34:00
slingshot is that pace of play. So
34:02
I hear you that I think it
34:05
is a little over the
34:07
top how much it's swung in the
34:09
Indiana Pacers direction but I do think
34:11
that they have the one thing that
34:13
the Milwaukee Bucks hate to space in
34:16
this series is a team
34:18
that wants to run on every opportunity. And
34:20
the other one I really want your opinion
34:22
on we'll go back to last postseason the
34:24
market made Phoenix a favorite over the Denver
34:27
Nuggets in that Western Conference semifinals and they
34:29
ended up losing that series in six they
34:31
are favored again and it's not slowing down
34:33
over Minnesota is the market getting this wrong
34:36
again. I've
34:38
been kind of bearish on the Philadelphia
34:40
not Philadelphia 76ers the Phoenix Suns in
34:42
this entire season is because I just
34:44
feel like Bradley Beal while he is
34:47
a star name he does not have
34:49
a star impact and he has a
34:51
very redundant skill set with Devin Booker
34:53
and Kevin Durant can Bradley Beal play
34:55
it be a two-way star in the
34:57
postseason I don't see it I
35:00
just think that Devin Booker and Kevin Durant are
35:02
the two by far the best players on this
35:04
team and then the depth really falls off they
35:06
need two-way guys on this roster I
35:08
just don't see it Minnesota Timberwolves I'm gonna
35:10
pick them in this series I think it's
35:12
gonna go long but when you look at
35:15
the Minnesota Timberwolves with Carl Anthony towns back
35:17
they have so many more weapons and if
35:19
KD or Devin Booker don't have it I
35:21
just think this series could be over quickly.
35:23
Tom before we let you run Tom Havish
35:25
Joe joining us on our progressive guest line
35:27
Lakers in Denver certainly most high-profile series we'll
35:30
see if it's the most competitive nuggets
35:32
a pretty sizable favorite understandably so how much
35:34
of a shot do you give the Lakers
35:36
here? How
35:38
are the referees gonna be calling this series because
35:41
that's the biggest thing on
35:43
Yahoo Sports we had a video I
35:45
put out called the big number where
35:47
the Lakers had a plus 507 free
35:49
throw differential this
35:52
season by far the most in the
35:54
NBA and I think that is gonna
35:56
dictate this series how many whistles are
35:58
the are the Los Angeles lakers gonna
36:00
get and the coleo kitch if you get
36:02
an early foul trouble that exactly what the
36:04
lakers want and the referee so much power
36:07
in the series to watch out how uh...
36:09
the officiating worked out in the period
36:11
sub-stack tom the finder.com you do work
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draft the wide receiver in the first round. While I
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27.5 is my comfort zone. I'll
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McGinn articles regarding
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130. My
39:56
other play, I gave it out earlier this week on
39:58
Visa and Primetime. It has not moved. I'm
40:00
gonna go nuggets on the series price here They're
40:03
minus three ten favorites in the series at draft
40:05
kings Which by the way is the shortest price
40:07
that any book is offering for the nuggets to
40:09
just win that series I'm gonna go minus one
40:12
and a half games So they have to win
40:14
this in six four five or six we cast
40:16
this at minus 140 So if
40:18
it goes to game seven, it's a losing bet
40:20
You just heard from Tom habits throw saying how
40:22
is this going to be officiated? Certainly a fair
40:25
question I think the Lakers are better than what
40:27
we saw last year I like the fact that
40:29
for the Lakers you're getting them on Relative
40:31
good rest where you're getting from Tuesday
40:34
all the way to Saturday and first
40:36
round matchups as we know get Stretched
40:38
out a little bit longer nuggets are
40:40
just a better team I don't think
40:42
that much of an answer for Nicole
40:44
the yokit So nuggets minus one and
40:46
a half series price at minus 140
40:48
both of those currently available at draft
40:50
games. All right Now
40:52
I feel comfortable doing this now. All right, baby. Now
40:55
that Mitch is not here But
40:57
this is the way this is gone here Mitch
40:59
has patience win this series at plus 195 now
41:01
You're getting about even money and maybe a little bit
41:04
more you can hold out and see where it goes
41:06
But it's just a number play here It's like I
41:08
think that we've gone a little too far now in
41:10
one direction Tom was real I
41:12
thought the analogy there was really smart with you
41:14
know, David Goliath from the slingshot being the transition
41:16
defense I Still
41:19
trust that this Pacers defense is sub
41:21
par along the perimeter I get
41:23
that they're a little bit better in half court situations
41:25
But numbers would all dictate they're still very below average
41:27
and so trusted David Willard can get this thing done
41:30
Might be a long series and guess what if it's a long
41:32
series That increases the chances of getting
41:35
honest onto the kumpa back out there on the
41:37
floor Give me the bucks to win the series
41:39
against the Indiana Pacers You better
41:41
not you know We can't both
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NBA series starts this weekend.
42:10
The NHL series are
42:12
all set and ready to roll
42:14
as well. How about that? The Golden
42:16
Knights. I don't care about that.
42:19
Well, just yesterday, so we had Mike Paulman yesterday.
42:22
What did he say? I tried to fit in
42:24
a selfish question about an NHL future
42:26
that I have that I totally, bet
42:28
on my own accord and was not just a convince.
42:30
Shout out to Mike Salmit. Yeah, Mike Salmit, who convinced
42:32
me to do it. And I was like, you know
42:34
what? I need something to sweat. Let's do this thing.
42:36
Would have had two tickets, but Derek Stevens and Wilbo's
42:38
Detroit Red Wings did not make it. Cats,
42:41
baby! Yeah, suck on that, Wilbo. So when I asked
42:43
Mike about this yesterday, I mean, I was Ashford produced
42:45
with Luke. I was like, you know, the reaction when
42:47
I was like, hey, what about Nashville? And Mike, like,
42:49
give me like five words on it. I was like,
42:51
oh, man, they must be like, they must be, they're
42:53
probably gonna open up as like, you know, four dunks.
42:55
Like, I don't know, like three to one to win
42:57
this year. It's only minus one fifty five. My
43:00
pred's got some life here, man. One to
43:02
one thirty at DraftKings right now against the
43:04
Canucks. Come on. I thought
43:06
by judging by Mike's reaction, I thought they're gonna be
43:08
dead in the water. I was looking at a massive
43:10
underdog. My pred's got some life. Let's go. Sunday
43:13
night puck drop. Can't wait to watch it.
43:17
I love the Stanley Cup playoffs. They're
43:19
incredible to watch, the drama. And
43:22
you've got some good series prices, no doubt. Outside
43:25
of, you know, my caps being
43:27
plus three forty against the Rangers. Can
43:30
they win a game? Come on.
43:33
Win one game. Biggest robbery that team making
43:35
it in. Need better teams
43:37
in there. Like the just run is in there. Like the just
43:39
run. Red Wings. Tell your Red Wings not
43:41
to lose what, both games against the caps down the stretch? Yeah, I can't
43:43
do that. Yeah.
43:46
And then the caps won. Well, yeah, I was gonna
43:48
say they win because the Flyers, of course, have to
43:50
pull because they need a regulation win. That was one
43:52
of the craziest endings I've seen to a hockey game
43:55
that, you know, at the end.
43:58
Also, if. If
44:01
they had known that the Red Wings game had
44:03
gone to overtime, which I think in real time
44:05
it had like a minute prior They would have
44:07
known they were eliminated so they probably wouldn't have
44:09
pulled the goalie But thank you flyers for pulling
44:11
the goalie so my caps can get hammered
44:14
by the fighting Johnny Lazarus's
44:16
and the New York Rangers
44:18
so all eight series prices
44:20
are up Let's jump back to the
44:23
NBA as we run through these series
44:25
prices We I gave you very limited
44:27
time so poor poor hosting
44:29
on my hand my part there
44:32
Cleveland and Orlando I
44:34
know and I've made my jokes
44:36
too about Cleveland ducking You
44:39
know that the two seed in Philadelphia
44:41
and they did blowing the Hornets game
44:44
Which was just an embarrassment. They're probably three centers at
44:46
one time. Yeah in the fourth quarter That's not a
44:48
way to win and Imani Bates has your point card
44:51
But they are a minus 190 favorite here
44:54
against the magic this series will start on
44:56
Saturday. It's the first game I believe right
44:58
Saturday at 1 o'clock Eastern Where
45:00
it deserves to be yeah this these these
45:02
games will be up to look hard for
45:05
the NBA TV series That is the Cavaliers
45:07
without LeBron and the magic, but just quick
45:09
thoughts on this series I think this is
45:11
the only series we haven't really touched on
45:13
here in the show Yeah, this is
45:15
gonna be like get him like we'll call him a get
45:17
him out special Which is let's get the kids out early.
45:19
This is where we go to the park This is when
45:22
we you know we go do stuff on Saturday because you
45:24
could track this game on your phone You don't really I'll
45:27
say that I I don't know. I'm not gonna
45:29
bet this series I think that the Cavaliers deserve to
45:31
be favored here and to this degree think is something
45:34
you can quibble with I think it's probably About fair
45:36
by my judgment because here's the thing Orlando the one
45:38
thing we saw from Orlando down the stretch outside of
45:40
just the results Right which were they kind of floundered
45:42
a little bit got a really big win over Milwaukee
45:44
to maintain their spot here Inside of
45:46
the top six had they lost it lose the division and they're
45:49
in the play it But they
45:51
struggle on offense like they're not a
45:53
good offensive team And that has led
45:55
to some of their shortcomings down the
45:57
stretch and while Donovan Mitchell is not
45:59
healthy has been abysmal since receiving the ejections in
46:01
his knee. I don't know if it's a quiet letter,
46:03
that might not be great. And
46:06
coming back from that, but at
46:09
the very least with Cleveland, Tim, you've got
46:11
a good defensive front court, and Evan Mobley
46:13
and Jarrett Allen. You have added shooting to
46:15
your roster in George Yang and Max Trusz.
46:18
You still have Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell.
46:20
Those are edges that over the course of
46:22
a series, right, should play out in favor
46:24
of Cleveland. And even
46:26
though it was bad last year, you
46:29
are the veteran team, you've been here before.
46:31
This is Orlando's first time around. Donovan Mitchell
46:33
has played a multiple playoff series. This team
46:35
together, they get embarrassed by the Knicks last
46:37
season, but they were at least there. They've
46:39
got this experience. A smattering of
46:41
these guys, I think they've named Garland, I believe Garland
46:43
was on that playing team as well, a couple of
46:45
years back for Cleveland. So like this is a team that's
46:47
been there and kind of done that a bit. And
46:49
given the edges you have, I think that they should
46:51
win this series. But am I confident coming in and
46:53
laying a buck 95 with a team
46:55
whose best offensive player is been
46:58
abysmal since he's come back from said injury or
47:00
whose other offensive piece in Darius Garland has been
47:02
very inconsistent and he's gonna play with two non
47:05
shooters at a time. I'm not really
47:07
like running to go and bet that. So I think for me,
47:09
it's, hey, if you're picking it, it's gonna be Cleveland, they deserve
47:11
to be favored. Maybe it should be more like a buck 75,
47:13
buck 60. So thus there
47:15
is some value in Orlando, but I do think Cleveland
47:17
wins this moves on and then it's snuffed down in
47:20
the next round. So we
47:22
got two games tonight. No official plays from
47:24
you on either one of those, both worth
47:26
looking at in game just the way the
47:28
wind kind of blows. I'll
47:30
be on my, I think I'll be on Miami tonight. You
47:32
know, minus one and a half like later today, when you're
47:34
just sitting around and wanna do something. By the way. Yeah,
47:37
so I think one and a half is a fair number
47:39
to play there on Miami. I'd also sit back and wait
47:41
like again, if Caruso plays, this will bump back to like,
47:43
you know, two minus one and a half potentially. We saw
47:45
exactly the same thing happen with Los Angeles and New Orleans.
47:48
When we talked about that dynamic where AD, he's
47:51
questionable, market in the morning moves toward New
47:53
Orleans. Looking at one and a half in a plus one
47:55
Oh five of the money line. You can see a little
47:57
CLV come back. And of course that game closes where it
47:59
does. So I think Miami of
48:01
the two playing games Miami would be
48:03
the side for me with their their blob of
48:05
his own defense to go out there and muck
48:08
things up against Chicago All right, Gil's coming up
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