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a Tuesday and we will have the

1:57

Nfl draft just around the corner on

1:59

Thursday mean. JBT love betting this

2:01

event. It's one that moves very rapidly

2:03

as we saw with the number two

2:05

overall pick market What's on here? You're

2:08

smiling. I'm just excited excited

2:10

for our next guest All right JP Finley

2:12

who covers the Washington commanders for? NBC

2:15

4 and also hosts a show on 106

2:17

7 the fan in my hometown of Washington

2:19

DC joins us right now JP I was

2:21

texting with you last night. We

2:24

heard from Adam Peters did the

2:26

obligatory press conference didn't really reveal

2:28

all that much but we

2:30

saw a massive shift in the betting market and

2:33

I'm curious your thoughts on it because my

2:35

Assumption is just we're moving back to Normalcy

2:39

because we had no legitimacy saying

2:41

that Jaden Daniels was going to

2:43

be the guy It's

2:47

interesting because I think folks

2:50

around the league Believe

2:52

Daniels is going to be the guy But

2:55

I think nobody in Washington has

2:57

hinted at all who

2:59

it's going to be and You

3:02

know Adam Peters spoke yesterday to your point and

3:04

really said nothing I'd

3:07

also say You

3:10

know they've had they had this kind of wacky Or

3:14

at least different process earlier

3:16

this week where they invited about 20 prospects in

3:20

to Their

3:22

practice facility including four quarterbacks all

3:25

at the same time they had

3:28

Pennick's McCarthy May and Daniels all

3:30

here at once they went to

3:32

top golf on I guess

3:35

it would be Tuesday night and then

3:37

they all had individual meetings on Wednesday

3:39

and Certainly

3:42

that's a different process and Peters

3:45

talked about how he really enjoyed seeing all

3:47

the guys in a relaxed atmosphere and kind

3:49

of how they interacted with one another but

3:52

after that process Mike Florio of

3:55

pro football talk had He

3:58

just said that he He

4:01

expressed that he thought it was kind of

4:03

low rent, I would say like he just didn't think it

4:05

made any sense to do that with quarterbacks

4:08

when you can spend individual time with

4:10

them. And Jaden Daniels agent

4:13

quote, tweeted the florio

4:15

video with like the

4:18

thinking emoji. And it's

4:20

pretty clear that the agent was mad

4:22

about it or didn't like the process.

4:26

And in the time since, I

4:28

think Pelocero reported that Daniels is

4:30

meeting with Minnesota with the Vikings.

4:34

So you've got this

4:37

bit of injury to add to

4:39

the draft process, which is just drags

4:42

on forever and ever and ever. And

4:44

maybe they really are back to square one where it's

4:47

May or Daniels and who knows who it'll be. So

4:51

we've heard that there were, what were the term

4:53

signs and signals this whole time that it was

4:55

Jaden Daniels, that they're leaning toward that direction. Can

4:57

you tell us what those signs and signals are?

4:59

Like how do we get to the point where

5:01

we thought this was going to be Daniels? What

5:03

were the signs that were there? Well,

5:07

to start, Daniels had a monster season, right?

5:10

Like I think ultimately

5:12

we had to circle back to football with this.

5:15

And I think Daniels was awesome last

5:18

year. And that's kind of what

5:20

started it all. And

5:22

then, you know, various times, Dan

5:25

Quinn has talked about wanting a

5:27

game changing quarterback. And

5:29

yesterday, something was kind of interesting. I asked

5:31

Adam Peters, how did you balance drafting

5:34

a guy that could be really good in a

5:36

couple of years versus somebody that could play right

5:38

away. And he

5:40

said, you know, in the first round, we're not really looking

5:43

for somebody that needs a couple of years to develop. I

5:46

don't know that that's the case with Drake May, but people

5:48

will tell you kind of his footwork and the inaccuracy

5:52

close to the line of

5:54

scrimmage is something they'd like to see him work

5:57

on. And Daniel seems to be

5:59

a good player. little more pro ready. But

6:02

you know the signs and

6:05

signals like that kind of stuff

6:07

would probably be national

6:09

level and Schefter is kind of hinted

6:11

that that he has heard from people

6:13

around the league that he thinks it

6:16

will be Jaden to Washington.

6:18

But I mean there's

6:21

never been like a firm

6:23

it's Daniels report ever. JP

6:26

Finley joining us on our progressive guest line

6:29

you can see him on NBC four

6:31

in Washington D.C. can also hear him on

6:33

one of six seven the fan with former

6:35

Washington Redskins Brian Mitchell. We just

6:37

had Jay Gruden on former commander head coach or

6:40

former Washington head coach I should say last

6:42

hour and I was joking with him. I don't know if

6:44

I said it on air off there but we

6:47

all know in twenty nineteen the ownership group

6:49

walked in and said hey you're taking Dwayne

6:51

Haskins at fifteen. So we have a new

6:54

ownership group in Washington a new front office

6:56

a new head coach. Have you

6:58

got any indication of how this could

7:00

potentially play out. I'm not naive enough

7:02

to think that Josh Harris the new

7:05

owner of Washington is going to completely

7:07

stay out of it. But what's your

7:09

feel. Adam Peters is the new GM

7:11

Dan Quinn's a new head coach. They

7:13

bring in Cliff Kingsbury. What's

7:15

the process from what you

7:17

understand going to be like when they come

7:20

to this decision on number two. Yeah.

7:23

So Peter yesterday said that they're really

7:25

close towards making that decision. But

7:28

Harris has been involved. He

7:31

was involved at the combine. He

7:33

was at the top golf and subsequent

7:35

meetings. Now

7:37

he Josh Harris explained the combine. He's

7:39

like yes my first time doing it.

7:41

I just wanted to observe and see

7:43

the process. It's been

7:46

Peters was asked about Harris being involved

7:48

yesterday. He's like he's been extremely supportive.

7:51

He's given us every tool we need

7:53

and allow us to do what we

7:55

need to do. I think there

7:58

is like perhaps a healthy. level

8:00

of involvement where he's there and

8:03

able to chime in or, I think

8:06

the smartest way for, I mean,

8:09

having watched closely this Washington

8:11

organization for 20 years and professionally

8:13

for a decade, I think

8:16

there's a healthy way for a good general

8:19

manager to kind of manage up with

8:21

the owner versus

8:23

the completely toxic and unhealthy way that

8:25

Dan Sider kind of managed down. I

8:29

think with the number two pick in a franchise

8:31

quarterback, every GM and football is

8:33

going to, you know,

8:36

kind of go to the owner before the pick gets made

8:38

and say, Hey, this is what we're doing and make

8:40

sure everybody's kind of on board. But

8:42

I don't get the sense at all

8:44

that Harris is demanding, you know, I

8:46

mean, you go back to the Dan Haskins thing

8:48

and the rumors that like Dan's son knew Haskins

8:51

from high school. And that was a big factor.

8:53

I got, I had

8:55

somebody from

8:57

the football world say to me, you know, if

9:00

Dan was still running things, do you think

9:02

he would trade everything to go get Caleb

9:04

Williams? Cause Caleb Williams is a DC guy

9:07

and part of me is like,

9:09

yeah, I think he would frankly. And that's

9:11

not the case at all anymore. So I

9:13

just think they are, is the

9:16

owner involved? Yes. Is it, is

9:19

his involvement in a professional healthy

9:22

manner? I would say yes. Also. So

9:24

we also know that, you know, we're obviously obsessing over

9:26

this cause it's the second pick and it can shape

9:28

the draft. As we know, whoever they decide to take

9:31

Washington also has the 36th pick

9:33

here. JP, what do you think they do there

9:35

in terms of targeting a position in their second

9:37

round selection? They

9:40

just really need a left tackle. Probably like

9:42

a left tackle of the future. They have

9:45

36 and 40 and it

9:47

would shock nobody if they

9:49

tried to move up. Like,

9:51

so they have five, I'm sorry, they have six picks now

9:54

in the top 100. If they tried to get

9:56

to 25. or

10:00

something and and get a tackle there

10:02

especially you know you get in that

10:04

first round you get that fifth year

10:06

rookie option for a position where

10:08

if you hit on it is really expensive

10:11

once you get into a second contract I

10:14

would not be stunned whatsoever if they try

10:16

to get aggressive and tackle. He's

10:19

a big guy out of Arizona they've kind

10:21

of been connected with. I really like

10:24

there's a guy

10:26

that doesn't have a lot of experience this kid Mims

10:28

out of Georgia but he's just a physical beast

10:32

and I think if he can grow

10:34

into that position for you you really got

10:36

something so I think it's

10:39

I mean they were bad last

10:41

year they had no Pro Bowlers last year

10:43

they got holes all over the roster and

10:45

they were really active and free agency to

10:47

try to fill a lot of those holes

10:49

but if you think about it it's not

10:52

they didn't give out a lot of long-term

10:54

deals it's a lot of one-year deals or

10:56

deals that only have guaranteed money on one

10:59

year they got a bunch of band-aids to

11:01

make them competitive this season so there's

11:03

hardly a position where I would look

11:06

at on this team that they don't

11:08

need frankly so could

11:10

they go edge rusher there sure could they

11:12

go corner there sure and some of it

11:14

will depend on how the draft board falls

11:17

but I think there's concern

11:19

at the tackle position

11:21

that there's it's kind of

11:24

a top-heavy group if you listen to the

11:26

scouts where you know if you get

11:28

somebody in that first round

11:30

or by 36 or 40 you've

11:33

got a real prospect but after that it kind of falls

11:35

off JP Finley joining us

11:37

here from from NBC and 106.7

11:39

the van in Washington DC

11:42

our JP I'll let you run on this let's

11:44

just circle back at two on Thursday

11:46

night in Detroit the card gets handed in

11:48

I'm not telling you report anything just

11:50

your gut feel right now from what you've

11:53

heard from around the league is it Jaden

11:55

Daniels is it Drake May is it anybody

11:57

else what's your meal right now don't I

12:04

don't know, dude. I truly don't know.

12:07

My gut feel is Daniel's, but

12:09

I do not know. It could be May

12:11

for sure. It's

12:13

wild watching these odds go crazy when

12:15

I'm trying to remind myself that this

12:18

time last year the odds went crazy

12:20

around TJ Stroud. Yeah, they did. Will

12:22

Lewis, TJ Stroud. And I

12:24

think your answer is why the odds have moved

12:26

back. Nobody knows. And

12:28

you cover the team. You would be telling us if

12:30

it was Jaden Daniels. Hey, JP, appreciate it, brother. Talk

12:32

to you soon, man. Thanks,

12:35

guys. Take care. There he is, JP Finley

12:37

on a progressive guest line. And

12:40

I know we've been talking about it a lot. The odds

12:42

have been moving like crazy, but I

12:44

just think that's where we're at. I

12:46

think actually the big takeaway is the offensive line

12:48

bit. With 9 1.5 for

12:50

the first-round offensive linemen, not

12:52

shaded too high, but Washington as a candidate

12:54

get back to that first-round draft, one of

12:57

these guys in the back end. Too high

12:59

end for second-round picks. You look at the

13:01

tackle market. Also, I'll mention this, Olo Fushanu

13:03

from D.C. if he slides a little bit,

13:05

could Washington look up to get the tackle

13:07

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I remember last year I did a mock draft. I'm

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game. Oh, really? Yeah. SGP

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fellas. So we'll see. I got

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to pipe into Sean, see what he's thinking. But I, yeah,

16:06

I got to, got to get working on mine. Safe

16:10

to say that you're going to be, you've already bet it.

16:12

Offensive lineman over nine and a half, right? Yeah, over nine

16:14

and a half. The price I got was minus 140. I

16:17

think we're still floating around that range. I have a check for

16:19

a couple of days. I'll double check right now. But yes, that

16:21

was one of the early ones that I had bet. If

16:24

you look at it for the offensive line, obviously it's a

16:26

pretty deep class. It is a position

16:28

of value. And just kind of reading the

16:30

tee leaves, talking to people. If there was

16:32

a position you were going to kind of let go

16:34

to the wayside in order to jump on some of

16:36

the premier guys, you're going to get along the offensive

16:39

line. Could be wide receiver that you kind of let

16:41

go. Could be corner, but it does seem that there

16:43

is kind of an emphasis on what this could be.

16:45

And JP bringing that up, JP Finley, it's a really

16:47

good point, which is, you know, if you hit on

16:49

an offensive tackle, these guys do tend to be expensive.

16:51

So we always talk about these fifth year options for

16:53

guys. And in terms of the quarterback position, you

16:56

get fifth year options for everybody. And so if

16:58

you get a fifth year option on a stud offensive

17:00

tackle, if you hit it right, that could be a

17:02

really big tool. So I do think that you're probably going

17:04

to see this happen with these offensive line to go pretty

17:06

quick. I haven't found them on draft. There's anything less than

17:09

10 going in the first

17:11

round. So I thought nine and a half of

17:13

that might that that price was worth it. Yeah.

17:15

And you've shared a couple of reports like Graham

17:17

Barton, the kid out of Duke versatility, plays center,

17:19

could play tackle. He's been linked to the Steelers

17:21

at 20. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who

17:23

said earlier this week that he is, he is

17:26

someone he would buy stock in right now. So

17:28

that was a bet that I put in under

17:30

21 and a half for Graham Barton. You could

17:32

have got a better number at 23 and a half and

17:34

they go open here at circa. And it does lead to,

17:37

to I think the other popular one, the one we've seen

17:39

move a little bit, total offensive players in the first round.

17:41

21 and a half now. Yes. It's gone from 20 and

17:43

a half to now 21 and a half shaded to the

17:45

under minus 175. By the way, offensive linemen

17:48

still nine and a half, but over minus 200 that

17:50

these are just numbers of trafficking. So shop around and

17:52

find those out. But it does seem that we could

17:54

get a record number of offensive players selected in the

17:56

first round. At least the market definitely thinking that and

17:59

it doesn't make sense. Right? You know, four

18:01

and a half, five quarterbacks. So the general thought

18:03

process there, 10,

18:05

11 offensive linemen, six wide receivers. Like you're talking

18:07

about quite a few offensive pieces going here in

18:09

the first round, it looks like. Yeah, we don't

18:11

know when that first offensive player

18:13

is going to come. Most Mocs have

18:16

quarterbacks, one, two, three. Then Marvin Harrison at

18:18

four. Is it a trade up for another

18:20

quarterback? Malik Nabors is finding his way into

18:23

the top six or seven. Roma Dunsey, Joe

18:25

Alt. Is it going to be Dallas

18:27

Turner at eight? If it's not Dallas Turner at eight,

18:29

who could be that first defensive player? We could

18:32

see a lot of offensive players off the

18:34

board rather quickly. Does Brock Bowers go in

18:36

the top 10? That's been a discussion this

18:39

week as well. So we'll wrap up the

18:41

show, obviously, with what's in pocket. And we'll

18:43

give kind of final thoughts on the NFL

18:45

draft as we head into the weekend. But

18:48

of course, we do have the play and

18:50

tournament wrapping up this evening. Two

18:52

games, New Orleans is the late

18:54

night game, New Orleans, hosting Sacramento.

18:57

Market right now sits at New Orleans,

18:59

catching 1 and 1.5 or 1. Circa

19:02

was sitting at pick yesterday, but that got

19:04

banged up to Sacramento minus 1. And in

19:06

the early game is Miami and Chicago, Miami

19:09

right now laying, we'll say, 1 and 1.5

19:11

of Draft Kings, 2 and 1.5 here at

19:13

Circa. Some Miami money has hit the

19:15

market. No Jimmy Butler from Miami, as

19:18

we know. Alex Caruso, very

19:20

up in the air status. Adrian

19:22

Wojnarowski said they were, I guess,

19:24

cautiously optimistic that he could potentially

19:27

play, look better than what

19:29

we had initially been told, and then obviously

19:31

no Zion for New Orleans. So two games

19:33

tonight, JVT. How do you look at these

19:36

two games from a side and total perspective

19:38

and anything you're looking to put in your

19:40

pocket? Sacramento, New Orleans is kind

19:42

of interesting too. Because I'll say this, I don't think

19:45

we're probably going to get much movement there anymore, right?

19:47

It seems fair to say. For Sacramento, New Orleans, the

19:50

injuries are known. We know the personnel that's

19:52

going to be available. Market shaped itself, and

19:54

now it just kind of floats out there,

19:56

maybe half point moving in one direction or

19:58

the other. going to

20:00

be really fun to watch is going to be

20:02

where this game is played from a pace standpoint

20:04

thus scoring the total you

20:06

mentioned really really low now after the

20:08

injuries in the market settled in down

20:11

to two ten and a half and on the

20:13

surface you would think between these two teams like

20:15

oh it's extremely low right like these two teams

20:17

generally you would think of as over teams but

20:19

that hasn't really been the case for Sacramento they've

20:21

been one of the best under teams since March

20:23

10th they have played very very strongly

20:26

to the under and in fact for the season I

20:28

think they got a pretty big decent edge to the

20:30

under only double check here in the notes yeah 44 and

20:32

37 and 2 to the under so

20:35

far for Sacramento and a lot of that damage has come

20:37

in the last few weeks and in fact six and one

20:39

to the under in their last seven sample size grows out

20:41

past there so I'm really curious to see where this is

20:44

played because Sacramento does tend to get a little hot pretty

20:46

quickly right you hit a couple three point shots you drive

20:48

these totals up and then maybe you can get in-game on

20:50

this under but I don't think you're gonna move much here

20:52

Tim so I think you probably just pick your

20:55

side and right stake your claim

20:57

when it comes to Sacramento in New Orleans yeah and

20:59

you know we mentioned the betting splits are showing you

21:01

the graphic right now by the way vc.com/splits you can

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with the NBA playoffs NHL playoffs getting rolling

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here but right now at

21:12

DraftKings overwhelming support for Sacramento

21:14

83% of the bets 85% of the handle

21:16

on the Kings

21:21

my initial gut and I texted you last night

21:23

and I said am I crazy for kind of

21:25

liking the pelicans I think your response was

21:27

without Zion kind of yeah I

21:30

would be pelicans are past here because I

21:32

do anticipate a much better performance

21:34

from CJ McCollum the wild card and why I haven't

21:37

gotten to the window yet is Brandon

21:39

Ingram right I mean it was his first

21:41

game and in three weeks he looked terrible

21:43

he got benched you know I know they

21:45

were you know talking positively about it Lee

21:47

about he came into the gym

21:49

the next day and was ready to go

21:52

and also you look at Sacramento and the

21:54

performance that they just had JBT on on

21:56

Tuesday night I thought they were you know they shot

21:58

out of their minds and performance you

22:01

saw what Keegan Murray go 8 of 13 from 3 so I think there's a

22:04

little bit of positive you know negative

22:07

regression coming for this Kings team and

22:09

I think a little positive regression for

22:11

the Pelicans that said the reason I

22:13

haven't got to the window yet is

22:15

well Zion Williamson was playing

22:17

the best game of his career and he's not

22:19

gonna play tonight so that certainly would be a

22:21

bit of a an issue. By the

22:23

way I went back and looked really quickly 16 and 4 to

22:26

the under for the Kings in their last

22:29

20 games so something of something to monitor

22:31

as you look at this right we've seen

22:33

up until the Bulls heat

22:35

game which flew over the total

22:37

so you both Hawks a bigger

22:39

part and then heat and Sixers

22:43

flew over with a last-second three from Tyler don't

22:45

forget the don't forget the foul don't forget the off-ball

22:47

foul the game with tech free throw that allowed that

22:49

to happen so up until that point

22:52

unders were 12 and 2 in the playing tournament now

22:54

they're 12 and 4 you get that kind

22:57

of game seven field that I know will

22:59

be regurgitated a lot all

23:01

week but man you've seen a movement

23:03

of what eight points off of the open 29 actually nine

23:06

points I think it was 219 and a half yeah so

23:08

you get no Zion but I

23:10

would say I wouldn't look a little

23:12

under 210 and a half more if anything right

23:14

I mean yeah I think you potentially it's

23:16

so much it's so it's so low that like

23:18

I said like you they open this game they

23:20

both hit threes you're gonna be able to get

23:22

under right a better number in

23:24

this matchup too and as I mentioned as well

23:26

Sacramento does have a tendency to

23:28

get kind of hot pretty early they did it against

23:31

Golden State you know and before that kind of died down

23:33

we saw multiple times down the stretch as well so

23:35

I think that's probably the angle you're going for here and

23:37

look I think the real angle too is this kind of

23:39

boring right because you want some action going into it

23:41

it's a one-point spread I mean you're going to

23:43

be able to find angles in game look at that

23:45

look at all of these games you could go back

23:47

to for okay Miami and Philadelphia Miami

23:50

goes down goes up big in the first

23:52

half Philadelphia comes storming back

23:54

eventually wins a game plenty of in-game opportunity

23:56

there Chicago and Atlanta Chicago actually got off

23:58

to a really hot start and lay

24:00

them close to a three point game in the third quarter.

24:02

So, you know, there's definitely a lot of different opportunities there

24:04

to get inside of either numbers or late cheap numbers, whatever

24:06

it is. If you didn't get involved and you thought Chicago

24:08

pulled that back out, you can lay it when they were

24:11

only up by three, whatever it was, they end up winning

24:13

by a wide margin. We can go

24:15

up and down the list. I mean, shoot,

24:17

Golden State Sacramento, Golden State right before

24:19

halftime, goes on a run, cuts at the four, looks

24:21

like, hey, maybe they're going to get right back into

24:23

this. But you came back in on the other side

24:26

and just laid it with the Sacramento Kings, they go

24:28

off and win by margin. I mean, every single game

24:30

has an example of this. Golden State was minus two

24:32

in the second half. It was a four point game

24:34

and they lost by, you know, 20. Yep. And of

24:37

course, the Pelicans and Lakers, one of the better examples

24:39

where Lakers led by as much as I think 18,

24:42

and then they needed Zion Williamson to get hurt

24:44

in the fourth quarter before that happened. So as

24:46

boring as it is, really for

24:48

these games, I mean, in-game opportunities

24:51

are abound if you're just watching from start to

24:53

finish. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, yeah, I mean,

24:55

think about the way the Heat and Sixers games

24:57

started where it looked like the Sixers were kind

25:00

of dead and buried. Real quickly, we haven't hit

25:02

on this series. Cavs minus 195, Magic plus 165,

25:04

the NBA TV series. Any

25:09

thoughts on this one? Yeah, I

25:11

mean, I have thoughts. I don't know if

25:13

anybody really like it. It's done on NBA

25:15

TV for a reason, nothing that I can

25:17

simply put in 15 seconds. So I'll just

25:20

say that I'll watch it. We

25:23

got 30 minutes left. We can get more on this on the

25:25

other side, you know, but well, let Tom have a show if

25:28

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Murray. We're in for the fellas on this

26:04

Friday morning. We've

26:07

got the final night of the

26:09

play-in tournament and the big boys

26:11

get rolling tomorrow. Four games

26:13

tomorrow, four games Sunday. Has to be JBT, one

26:15

of your favorite weekends of the year. Oh yeah,

26:17

very excited to watch it all the way through.

26:19

Four games each day. Just sit down, tell everybody

26:21

to get out. Let's go. And

26:23

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26:26

about the NBA doing some analytical work for

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26:30

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26:32

It is Tom Havastro who joins us

26:35

here on our progressive guest line. Tom,

26:37

good morning. We appreciate you jumping on.

26:40

We'll start with Miami without Jimmy

26:42

Butler. The questions about Alex Caruso,

26:44

the injuries are piling up here,

26:46

which is kind of unfortunate to

26:48

see. But we've talked about it

26:50

a lot. How do you

26:52

expect Miami to perform tonight without

26:55

Jimmy Butler on the floor? Yeah,

26:58

I used to cover the Miami Heat six

27:00

years in Miami, and I got up close

27:02

and personal with the team and the organization.

27:05

And this is just going to be fueling

27:07

them in this game against the Chicago Bulls.

27:09

Now you can look analytically and not just

27:11

how they operate as an organization. Pat Riley

27:13

likes to say, you know, we're going to

27:15

burn the boats. Basically

27:18

once you go into battle and you can't go back now,

27:20

you're going to burn the boats and go into battle. And

27:22

that's kind of the mentality they're going to go into this

27:24

game. And I expect that they will

27:27

win in this game. Analytically

27:29

they are 13 and eight this

27:31

season when Bam out of bio

27:33

plays and Jimmy Butler does not.

27:37

So they do have a good track

27:39

record this year when they're having to

27:41

play short handed without Jimmy Butler. And

27:43

that very unfortunate injury there, uh, spraining

27:46

his MCL in the playing

27:48

game against the Philadelphia 76ers

27:50

was hobbled throughout. And

27:52

I think when you look at the Miami Heat, they

27:55

are going to be short handed, but they've done this before.

27:58

Uh, and Eric's bolster, I think it's the best. the

28:00

game and scheming wise I

28:02

suspect that the Chicago Bulls will struggle

28:04

to deal with BAM out

28:07

of Iowa and that zone defense that did

28:09

throttle a lot of what Philadelphia wanted to

28:11

do in that game. And if you had

28:13

had a healthy Jimmy Butler against Philadelphia, I

28:15

think they win that game handily. So I

28:18

expect the Miami Heat to miss

28:20

Jimmy Butler, but much less than I

28:22

think what people expect,

28:24

given that in those 21 games where they

28:26

did not have Jimmy Butler this year, but

28:29

BAM out of Iowa did play, there were actually five

28:31

games over 500. Yeah, and the market would agree with

28:33

that. We went from minus one and a half to

28:36

minus two and a half now for Miami. So there's

28:38

some thought from bettors as well that

28:40

the heat are going to pull this out. You kind of answered

28:42

the question I have for you. Are we going to see plenty

28:44

of this as I called it in the first hour? This amorphous

28:46

zone defense that had many different shapes against Philadelphia. You think there's

28:48

going to be plenty of that tonight? Yeah,

28:51

and remember, Eric Spulscher has a bunch of stuff

28:53

up his sleeve. He always does. And he'll he'll

28:55

throw Duncan Robinson at the top of the field.

28:58

He's going to throw Duncan Robinson at the top

29:00

of a one three one and hide Tyler hero

29:02

defensively. And that's kind of the

29:05

kind of trick that he pulls up his sleeve is

29:07

in today's NBA, you want to

29:09

target poor defenders and

29:12

he by going zone with two

29:14

guys, Duncan Robinson and

29:16

Tyler hero oftentimes the offense

29:18

can't get that targeting. They can't

29:20

head hunt for those defensive match ups.

29:22

And that really neutralizes a lot of

29:24

what opposing teams want to do. And

29:27

the zone defense has been very effective

29:29

and Jimmy Butler or not in

29:31

some ways without Jimmy Butler, I suspect that

29:34

they will go to that zone more because

29:36

Jimmy Butler is such a good on ball

29:38

defender going zone kind of

29:41

gets back to what they do best in

29:43

that zone, throwing the opposing offense off. And

29:45

I suspect that Alex Caruso as good as

29:47

he is a hobbled

29:50

Alex Caruso is going to be tough because you're

29:52

going to want to play that guy for 40

29:54

minutes. But he's in any

29:56

way compromised Alex

29:59

Caruso. at 60% is

30:02

not an average NBA player. So they're

30:04

going to want to play him a

30:06

lot, but we'll see the Miami Heat.

30:08

We'll be testing him every minute of

30:10

this game. Tom Havastrow joining us here

30:12

on follow the money. You can follow

30:14

him on Twitter at Tom Havastrow. He

30:16

joins us on our progressive guest line.

30:18

The nightcap is New Orleans and Sacramento.

30:20

And once again, another injury to note,

30:22

of course, Zion Williamson out and he

30:24

was playing phenomenally well against the Los

30:26

Angeles Lakers. So Brandon Ingram, his second

30:28

game back from injury. Uh, going

30:30

up against the Sacramento team has got their

30:32

own injury problems to deal with, but they

30:35

looked, uh, fantastic against Golden State. What do

30:37

you expect to see late night right now?

30:39

New Orleans, a slight home underdog around one,

30:41

one and a half to Sacramento. Didn't

30:44

you guys find it interesting that Willie

30:46

green kept Brandon Ingram on the bench

30:48

during that final few minutes? I mean,

30:50

I was sitting there being

30:52

like, wait, Zion's out and you're still

30:55

keeping BI on the bench. And that

30:57

told me one or two things. Either

30:59

Brandon Ingram, they have a really, uh,

31:01

load management mandate to keep his minutes

31:04

down so that he would be fresh

31:06

for this game, or that

31:08

injury is more serious than we believe, um,

31:11

or that is publicly known because Brandon

31:13

Ingram is an all-star he's a guy

31:15

that could have rescued them offensively, uh,

31:18

down the stretch without Zion Williamson and Willie

31:20

green not going to him tells me, uh,

31:23

one or two things to be true. And

31:25

so that is really alarming to me. Uh,

31:27

I think if you're the pelicans, you really

31:29

hope that they're saving Brandon Ingram down

31:31

the stretch there so that he doesn't overdo

31:34

it or over extend himself, and then they

31:36

have another major injury that can knock him

31:38

out for this game, but I think that

31:40

might've been overprotective. Uh, so maybe

31:42

we'll see Brandon Ingram carry them in this

31:44

game, but it is certainly alarming to me

31:46

that they did not go to Brandon Ingram

31:48

in that, uh, down the stretch

31:50

in that game, they certainly needed him, but

31:52

CJ McCollum might have to carry this offense

31:54

all the way. I think the Sacramento Kings

31:56

them being short-handed as well without Malik monk

31:59

and Kevin Herder. They looked great against

32:01

the Golden State Warriors, but to me, I think

32:04

Brandon Ingram, maybe they're arresting him for this game

32:06

tonight, and I expect them to come out firing.

32:08

Let's get to some of these series, and the

32:10

one that I think is the most intriguing, Tom,

32:13

is Milwaukee in Indiana. We know what's going on

32:15

with Giannis. The market has reacted quite heavily here.

32:17

They opened this series price up as Milwaukee minus

32:19

350. The Pacers are now favored

32:22

in this series. Am I crazy to kind of

32:24

want to buy back a little bit here on

32:26

Milwaukee? It's just they haven't seen each other since

32:28

Asia where they forgot fire to Pascal Ciacom was

32:30

a Toronto Raptor. A lot has changed here.

32:33

JVT, I kind of feel the

32:35

same way. That seems like an

32:37

overreaction, but what I also

32:40

notice in this series is that the

32:42

Pacers play the exact brand

32:44

of basketball that usually crushes the Milwaukee

32:46

Bucks. The Milwaukee Bucks have an atrocious

32:48

transition defense this season. They have not

32:51

gotten back on defense. It was true

32:53

with Griffin. It was true with Doc

32:55

Rivers, and I suspect that they are

32:57

just going to try to run the

33:00

Milwaukee Bucks out of the gym. And

33:02

what we know about NBA

33:04

defense, if you're not locked in, if you're

33:06

having chemistry issues or camaraderie or just locker

33:08

room issues or not everyone's on the same

33:11

page, that's where it shows

33:13

up is in the transition defense because

33:15

that more than anything is

33:17

about everybody being on the same page and

33:19

wanting to go the extra mile. And we

33:22

know this about the Indiana Pacers. They want

33:24

to run you out of the gym. Tyrese

33:26

Halliburton has been kind of hampered with the

33:28

hamstring injury from earlier this year. The player

33:31

participation policy prompted him to try to get

33:33

back earlier than I think what he wanted

33:35

to do. But we know even

33:37

without Tyrese Halliburton, it's not just a one-man

33:39

system. This isn't a James Harden situation where

33:42

he believes he is the system. No matter

33:44

who's on the floor, T.J. McConnell or Tyrese

33:47

Halliburton, they're going to try to run the

33:49

Milwaukee Bucks out of the gym and with Brooke

33:51

Lopez at his age. And

33:54

they're so much better as a set defense.

33:56

I think the Indiana Pacers have kind of

33:58

this David versus Goliath. the

34:00

slingshot is that pace of play. So

34:02

I hear you that I think it

34:05

is a little over the

34:07

top how much it's swung in the

34:09

Indiana Pacers direction but I do think

34:11

that they have the one thing that

34:13

the Milwaukee Bucks hate to space in

34:16

this series is a team

34:18

that wants to run on every opportunity. And

34:20

the other one I really want your opinion

34:22

on we'll go back to last postseason the

34:24

market made Phoenix a favorite over the Denver

34:27

Nuggets in that Western Conference semifinals and they

34:29

ended up losing that series in six they

34:31

are favored again and it's not slowing down

34:33

over Minnesota is the market getting this wrong

34:36

again. I've

34:38

been kind of bearish on the Philadelphia

34:40

not Philadelphia 76ers the Phoenix Suns in

34:42

this entire season is because I just

34:44

feel like Bradley Beal while he is

34:47

a star name he does not have

34:49

a star impact and he has a

34:51

very redundant skill set with Devin Booker

34:53

and Kevin Durant can Bradley Beal play

34:55

it be a two-way star in the

34:57

postseason I don't see it I

35:00

just think that Devin Booker and Kevin Durant are

35:02

the two by far the best players on this

35:04

team and then the depth really falls off they

35:06

need two-way guys on this roster I

35:08

just don't see it Minnesota Timberwolves I'm gonna

35:10

pick them in this series I think it's

35:12

gonna go long but when you look at

35:15

the Minnesota Timberwolves with Carl Anthony towns back

35:17

they have so many more weapons and if

35:19

KD or Devin Booker don't have it I

35:21

just think this series could be over quickly.

35:23

Tom before we let you run Tom Havish

35:25

Joe joining us on our progressive guest line

35:27

Lakers in Denver certainly most high-profile series we'll

35:30

see if it's the most competitive nuggets

35:32

a pretty sizable favorite understandably so how much

35:34

of a shot do you give the Lakers

35:36

here? How

35:38

are the referees gonna be calling this series because

35:41

that's the biggest thing on

35:43

Yahoo Sports we had a video I

35:45

put out called the big number where

35:47

the Lakers had a plus 507 free

35:49

throw differential this

35:52

season by far the most in the

35:54

NBA and I think that is gonna

35:56

dictate this series how many whistles are

35:58

the are the Los Angeles lakers gonna

36:00

get and the coleo kitch if you get

36:02

an early foul trouble that exactly what the

36:04

lakers want and the referee so much power

36:07

in the series to watch out how uh...

36:09

the officiating worked out in the period

36:11

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McGinn articles regarding

39:34

Ady Mitchell. I just think

39:36

all in all, and I heard Luke Swain

39:38

talk about this on Gil's show yesterday at

39:40

Vegas Refund. There's a belief

39:42

that the wide receivers after the top three of

39:44

Harrison, Neighbors and Adunze could be dropping a little

39:47

bit. I think Mitchell falls into

39:49

that group. I'll go over 27.5 for DraftKings minus

39:51

130. My

39:56

other play, I gave it out earlier this week on

39:58

Visa and Primetime. It has not moved. I'm

40:00

gonna go nuggets on the series price here They're

40:03

minus three ten favorites in the series at draft

40:05

kings Which by the way is the shortest price

40:07

that any book is offering for the nuggets to

40:09

just win that series I'm gonna go minus one

40:12

and a half games So they have to win

40:14

this in six four five or six we cast

40:16

this at minus 140 So if

40:18

it goes to game seven, it's a losing bet

40:20

You just heard from Tom habits throw saying how

40:22

is this going to be officiated? Certainly a fair

40:25

question I think the Lakers are better than what

40:27

we saw last year I like the fact that

40:29

for the Lakers you're getting them on Relative

40:31

good rest where you're getting from Tuesday

40:34

all the way to Saturday and first

40:36

round matchups as we know get Stretched

40:38

out a little bit longer nuggets are

40:40

just a better team I don't think

40:42

that much of an answer for Nicole

40:44

the yokit So nuggets minus one and

40:46

a half series price at minus 140

40:48

both of those currently available at draft

40:50

games. All right Now

40:52

I feel comfortable doing this now. All right, baby. Now

40:55

that Mitch is not here But

40:57

this is the way this is gone here Mitch

40:59

has patience win this series at plus 195 now

41:01

You're getting about even money and maybe a little bit

41:04

more you can hold out and see where it goes

41:06

But it's just a number play here It's like I

41:08

think that we've gone a little too far now in

41:10

one direction Tom was real I

41:12

thought the analogy there was really smart with you

41:14

know, David Goliath from the slingshot being the transition

41:16

defense I Still

41:19

trust that this Pacers defense is sub

41:21

par along the perimeter I get

41:23

that they're a little bit better in half court situations

41:25

But numbers would all dictate they're still very below average

41:27

and so trusted David Willard can get this thing done

41:30

Might be a long series and guess what if it's a long

41:32

series That increases the chances of getting

41:35

honest onto the kumpa back out there on the

41:37

floor Give me the bucks to win the series

41:39

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41:41

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NBA series starts this weekend.

42:10

The NHL series are

42:12

all set and ready to roll

42:14

as well. How about that? The Golden

42:16

Knights. I don't care about that.

42:19

Well, just yesterday, so we had Mike Paulman yesterday.

42:22

What did he say? I tried to fit in

42:24

a selfish question about an NHL future

42:26

that I have that I totally, bet

42:28

on my own accord and was not just a convince.

42:30

Shout out to Mike Salmit. Yeah, Mike Salmit, who convinced

42:32

me to do it. And I was like, you know

42:34

what? I need something to sweat. Let's do this thing.

42:36

Would have had two tickets, but Derek Stevens and Wilbo's

42:38

Detroit Red Wings did not make it. Cats,

42:41

baby! Yeah, suck on that, Wilbo. So when I asked

42:43

Mike about this yesterday, I mean, I was Ashford produced

42:45

with Luke. I was like, you know, the reaction when

42:47

I was like, hey, what about Nashville? And Mike, like,

42:49

give me like five words on it. I was like,

42:51

oh, man, they must be like, they must be, they're

42:53

probably gonna open up as like, you know, four dunks.

42:55

Like, I don't know, like three to one to win

42:57

this year. It's only minus one fifty five. My

43:00

pred's got some life here, man. One to

43:02

one thirty at DraftKings right now against the

43:04

Canucks. Come on. I thought

43:06

by judging by Mike's reaction, I thought they're gonna be

43:08

dead in the water. I was looking at a massive

43:10

underdog. My pred's got some life. Let's go. Sunday

43:13

night puck drop. Can't wait to watch it.

43:17

I love the Stanley Cup playoffs. They're

43:19

incredible to watch, the drama. And

43:22

you've got some good series prices, no doubt. Outside

43:25

of, you know, my caps being

43:27

plus three forty against the Rangers. Can

43:30

they win a game? Come on.

43:33

Win one game. Biggest robbery that team making

43:35

it in. Need better teams

43:37

in there. Like the just run is in there. Like the just

43:39

run. Red Wings. Tell your Red Wings not

43:41

to lose what, both games against the caps down the stretch? Yeah, I can't

43:43

do that. Yeah.

43:46

And then the caps won. Well, yeah, I was gonna

43:48

say they win because the Flyers, of course, have to

43:50

pull because they need a regulation win. That was one

43:52

of the craziest endings I've seen to a hockey game

43:55

that, you know, at the end.

43:58

Also, if. If

44:01

they had known that the Red Wings game had

44:03

gone to overtime, which I think in real time

44:05

it had like a minute prior They would have

44:07

known they were eliminated so they probably wouldn't have

44:09

pulled the goalie But thank you flyers for pulling

44:11

the goalie so my caps can get hammered

44:14

by the fighting Johnny Lazarus's

44:16

and the New York Rangers

44:18

so all eight series prices

44:20

are up Let's jump back to the

44:23

NBA as we run through these series

44:25

prices We I gave you very limited

44:27

time so poor poor hosting

44:29

on my hand my part there

44:32

Cleveland and Orlando I

44:34

know and I've made my jokes

44:36

too about Cleveland ducking You

44:39

know that the two seed in Philadelphia

44:41

and they did blowing the Hornets game

44:44

Which was just an embarrassment. They're probably three centers at

44:46

one time. Yeah in the fourth quarter That's not a

44:48

way to win and Imani Bates has your point card

44:51

But they are a minus 190 favorite here

44:54

against the magic this series will start on

44:56

Saturday. It's the first game I believe right

44:58

Saturday at 1 o'clock Eastern Where

45:00

it deserves to be yeah this these these

45:02

games will be up to look hard for

45:05

the NBA TV series That is the Cavaliers

45:07

without LeBron and the magic, but just quick

45:09

thoughts on this series I think this is

45:11

the only series we haven't really touched on

45:13

here in the show Yeah, this is

45:15

gonna be like get him like we'll call him a get

45:17

him out special Which is let's get the kids out early.

45:19

This is where we go to the park This is when

45:22

we you know we go do stuff on Saturday because you

45:24

could track this game on your phone You don't really I'll

45:27

say that I I don't know. I'm not gonna

45:29

bet this series I think that the Cavaliers deserve to

45:31

be favored here and to this degree think is something

45:34

you can quibble with I think it's probably About fair

45:36

by my judgment because here's the thing Orlando the one

45:38

thing we saw from Orlando down the stretch outside of

45:40

just the results Right which were they kind of floundered

45:42

a little bit got a really big win over Milwaukee

45:44

to maintain their spot here Inside of

45:46

the top six had they lost it lose the division and they're

45:49

in the play it But they

45:51

struggle on offense like they're not a

45:53

good offensive team And that has led

45:55

to some of their shortcomings down the

45:57

stretch and while Donovan Mitchell is not

45:59

healthy has been abysmal since receiving the ejections in

46:01

his knee. I don't know if it's a quiet letter,

46:03

that might not be great. And

46:06

coming back from that, but at

46:09

the very least with Cleveland, Tim, you've got

46:11

a good defensive front court, and Evan Mobley

46:13

and Jarrett Allen. You have added shooting to

46:15

your roster in George Yang and Max Trusz.

46:18

You still have Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell.

46:20

Those are edges that over the course of

46:22

a series, right, should play out in favor

46:24

of Cleveland. And even

46:26

though it was bad last year, you

46:29

are the veteran team, you've been here before.

46:31

This is Orlando's first time around. Donovan Mitchell

46:33

has played a multiple playoff series. This team

46:35

together, they get embarrassed by the Knicks last

46:37

season, but they were at least there. They've

46:39

got this experience. A smattering of

46:41

these guys, I think they've named Garland, I believe Garland

46:43

was on that playing team as well, a couple of

46:45

years back for Cleveland. So like this is a team that's

46:47

been there and kind of done that a bit. And

46:49

given the edges you have, I think that they should

46:51

win this series. But am I confident coming in and

46:53

laying a buck 95 with a team

46:55

whose best offensive player is been

46:58

abysmal since he's come back from said injury or

47:00

whose other offensive piece in Darius Garland has been

47:02

very inconsistent and he's gonna play with two non

47:05

shooters at a time. I'm not really

47:07

like running to go and bet that. So I think for me,

47:09

it's, hey, if you're picking it, it's gonna be Cleveland, they deserve

47:11

to be favored. Maybe it should be more like a buck 75,

47:13

buck 60. So thus there

47:15

is some value in Orlando, but I do think Cleveland

47:17

wins this moves on and then it's snuffed down in

47:20

the next round. So we

47:22

got two games tonight. No official plays from

47:24

you on either one of those, both worth

47:26

looking at in game just the way the

47:28

wind kind of blows. I'll

47:30

be on my, I think I'll be on Miami tonight. You

47:32

know, minus one and a half like later today, when you're

47:34

just sitting around and wanna do something. By the way. Yeah,

47:37

so I think one and a half is a fair number

47:39

to play there on Miami. I'd also sit back and wait

47:41

like again, if Caruso plays, this will bump back to like,

47:43

you know, two minus one and a half potentially. We saw

47:45

exactly the same thing happen with Los Angeles and New Orleans.

47:48

When we talked about that dynamic where AD, he's

47:51

questionable, market in the morning moves toward New

47:53

Orleans. Looking at one and a half in a plus one

47:55

Oh five of the money line. You can see a little

47:57

CLV come back. And of course that game closes where it

47:59

does. So I think Miami of

48:01

the two playing games Miami would be

48:03

the side for me with their their blob of

48:05

his own defense to go out there and muck

48:08

things up against Chicago All right, Gil's coming up

48:10

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48:12

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