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I can't think of a bigger way to chime for money,

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and it's not a sport. Call

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City Hall where I live and tell them

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to stop the nonsense. And if you want

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to call a manate parking, do something that

0:25

is going to improve the park space for

0:27

our youth. If

0:30

you were going to eliminate the parking, it's

0:32

fine. But you better have

0:34

a damn good reason. And

0:37

Pickleball, I'm sorry. Do you know

0:39

what Carmen started? He's got his very

0:41

friends of the parking lot. Exactly. It's

0:43

not Pickleball for spoiled rich people for

0:45

too much time in their head.

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No! Okay.

0:52

Carmen, it is not

0:54

a country club sport. How can it

0:56

not be? Anybody out there, call

0:59

your local municipality and

1:01

protest Pickleball courts. I

1:08

won't say it. I'm not going to say it. I

1:10

say it. No, I won't say it. I like Peggy

1:12

too much. I won't say it. Oh, there's a slam

1:14

on Peggy? Huh? Huh?

1:21

Yeah, the fence was supposed to go up last night. It didn't. The

1:24

grassroots effort is working. We're

1:27

trying. I mean, what's going on? Sorry,

1:29

I didn't turn on your mic. I'm

1:31

in here once every six months. I didn't turn

1:33

on the man's mic. He's looking like Watto. He's

1:36

got the Tommy Bahama. Yeah. You

1:38

look good. He's not going to like me in a few minutes.

1:40

I have to get something off my chest. No,

1:42

I don't mind that. Jesse, I can

1:44

never not like you. I appreciate that. I can

1:46

never not like you. But I don't see how

1:48

Pickleball is a country club sport when they're building

1:50

it in like park districts and stuff. You

1:53

know what I mean? They're trying to make it more applicable

1:55

to the common man. Well, that would be

1:57

me since I don't belong to a country club and I

1:59

play outside. you like your pickleball. Yeah,

2:02

Jesse pickleball. Not surprised. But

2:04

honestly, when you're searching for things

2:07

to do with your wife, it's not a bad

2:09

acting. I play with my wife. How about tennis?

2:11

Pickleball. It's

2:14

harder to find doubles in tennis. Why is that?

2:16

Really? Yeah, I don't know why. Do you ever

2:18

play with Tommy and Kara? No,

2:20

we should though. We should. I love tennis. You

2:22

have your own racket? I have

2:24

my own pickleball racket. I actually brought it

2:27

with me. I took it with me to

2:29

the World Series. I packed it for the

2:31

day off. Your life

2:33

is speaking of country clubs. We played at the

2:36

Biltmore Country Club in Phoenix during the

2:38

World Series. That's a hoity

2:40

hoity hotel right there. We're

2:42

playing pickleball and the

2:45

golf cart comes by and Bruce Fauci

2:47

is driving on the golf court. Eduardo

2:49

Perez and I are playing pickleball and

2:51

I'm waving at Bruce Fauci. You and

2:53

Eduardo Perez. We're a series game

2:55

that night. Fantastic. That is awesome.

2:57

We're playing pickleball with Eduardo Perez.

3:00

Even better with Eduardo Perez's wife

3:02

because his knee was hurting. His

3:04

knee was barking so

3:06

his wife killed it. Did he watch you and

3:08

his wife play pickleball? But the best is Bruce

3:10

Fauci on a golf cart driving by. I wish

3:12

I had video tape of that. I wish I

3:15

had run

3:46

into Eduardo as a ball boy all of a sudden. Yeah.

3:48

That's hilarious. Anyway, good to see you. Jesse's

3:50

in for a while. I suggest you'll be on with us

3:52

tomorrow. That's why he wasn't on today. We'll talk baseball with

3:54

you tomorrow. Oh, I know Carmen. You're going to want

3:57

to talk Paul Skeens. I know. Yeah. It's moving man.

3:59

I can be very... We're gonna do 15

4:01

minutes Paul Keynes tomorrow. Well,

4:04

in here Jones, they face him both.

4:06

This will help Sylvie too. This is

4:08

like basically Mark Pryor coming out of

4:10

college. Yeah, it's a big time. It's

4:13

Mark Pryor, Steven Strasberg level of

4:15

height. That doesn't mean, you know, hopefully it's better

4:17

success than Mark Pryor over the years, you know.

4:19

But that's what they're saying about this guy. That

4:22

first year was he lived up to everything. Yes, he

4:24

did. You're right, too. He did

4:26

that. So, the Paul God Jeff Ducky.

4:30

Like, isn't it amazing that we remember the name

4:32

of the story? I think that was another one,

4:34

like in that, Sylvie and I were on together

4:36

at night. Yes, another one of those weird nights,

4:38

like Harry called it. Harry was there. I live

4:40

it. Harry called it, he was living.

4:42

Yeah. Guys, you're not gonna believe this. I'm

4:45

standing in line and

4:48

Mark Pryor just left a

4:50

hundred people in the dust

4:52

and there are kids crying

4:54

and he didn't finish signing for

4:56

everybody. It was

4:59

amazing. Just Ducky. The goal of this

5:01

guy. That's incredible. The

5:03

owners of Just Ducky, they can't believe what

5:06

just happened. I mean, you would have thought

5:08

Harry was reporting on, like, the sinking of

5:10

the Titanic, you know. The

5:12

turkeys are leaving the helicopter. He was

5:14

so mad. They're dropping out of the

5:16

sky. Oh, my God. And then we

5:18

took calls from people who were in

5:20

line. I mean, for, yeah, remember? Yeah,

5:23

for like a couple of nights, I feel like. Guys, I

5:25

don't know how I could be a Cubs fan anymore. Right,

5:27

yeah. I was in line with

5:29

my seven-year-old. She has a

5:31

Mark Pryor poster and she hasn't stopped

5:34

crying for the last two days. Was

5:36

there ever a make good later? I

5:38

believe they did make it good. Because

5:40

of all the negative publicity? I believe

5:42

he did. If I'm remembering the story

5:45

correctly, it was so much blowback that

5:47

he did make it up.

5:49

The reason he left early is he was charging the

5:51

next night. Oh, well, that

5:53

actually, okay. He was, you know, he said there

5:55

was a miscommunication about how long. Why on the

5:57

public list? You don't make a... You

5:59

don't do an appearance. the night before a start. When it was

6:01

his first start of the year, it wasn't

6:03

him, he was coming off of an injury. Sounds him

6:05

like a horse. And it was like his first start

6:07

coming off of an injury. Was it when he got

6:10

smacked? It might have been. Like

6:12

between first and second. It might have been your...

6:14

Or when the ball hit. The ball hit. I

6:16

still like when Arietta showed up at Chicago Cut

6:18

to talk to you like the day before the

6:20

wild card game. It was the biggest game of

6:22

his life. And then he shot. And then he

6:24

shot this right. And he was talking smack. So

6:28

he was right, he was talking smack. And

6:30

the two of you put me on the spot.

6:32

Like, hey Jesse, who you owning for Cy Young?

6:35

Well, that's what we do. He had Kershaw that year.

6:37

He won. I'm like, I guess we

6:39

have the answer. I'm not gonna say no to

6:41

Jake. But he was talking trash

6:43

about going to the Priors and what he was

6:45

gonna do to Pittsburgh. And then he did it.

6:48

Because most of these guys, the day before they

6:50

start, it's like, you know. Didn't

6:52

you take a cab with him where he left his Valise in

6:54

the car? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We

6:56

left our luggage in the cab. Yeah, Valise, that's

6:58

what a Valise took off. Right, yes. You left

7:01

your luggage in the cab. Yeah, I was grateful.

7:03

He did that on purpose. This is

7:05

like when, you know. He stands up. He's

7:08

trying to do a solid roof behind

7:10

him. Exactly. He's saying Jesse's room. Exactly.

7:12

He had to hold him something, yeah. Yeah,

7:14

yeah. What was funny was the. He told

7:16

the cab driver, hey, whatever you do. Just

7:19

leave. And

7:21

then I'm gonna be the hero. I'll give you

7:23

a hundred bucks. And then I can, Jake owes

7:25

me one forever. I'll be the reporter who's

7:27

saying the luggage. Player of the week watches in his

7:29

luggage. Of course he does. And that's what he was

7:32

worried about. I'm like, why are you carrying them with

7:34

you? Why three? I know that they did out there

7:36

the week watches. Back then they did. I don't know

7:38

if they still do. Do they say player of the

7:40

week on them? Don't know. We never even made the

7:42

watch. Pressure of war. Like the major league baseball. Gives

7:44

out player of the week and you get a watch.

7:47

No, but I mean like what company? Major league baseball.

7:49

I don't know. Making the watch, is it like a

7:51

PopTech Philippe? I have no idea. They call it a

7:53

regular sweep. I have no idea. What was it? PopTech

7:55

Philippe. Very nice environment. You know. That

7:58

was pricey. Yeah, but it is good. The A

8:00

be a big deal this weekend. I get by

8:02

me like Endure Jones's at The Fanfare may be

8:04

but always been great. This year. Is

8:07

them. It is another time zone zone for

8:09

enemies as worried that I mean yourself as

8:11

operate the covered as same boat as so

8:13

the fifth pirates can finish with eighty one

8:15

wins a that seventy five or in mind

8:17

that where they gone gone anywhere speak of

8:19

the. Baseball. Very well. I

8:21

have a baseball just that's why you're

8:23

here. Iran I arming Iraq, Iran about

8:25

something. Perfect time to do it. Okay

8:27

a boy. I'm in the press box

8:30

just yesterday. Cubs game. Okay, sweeper and

8:32

I want it's I don't want to

8:34

say the bad about other media. they

8:36

were watching the baseball game, but there's

8:38

time in between the impugning system. Five.

8:41

Guys up there in the press box.

8:43

Heather I pads out. And

8:45

or secondary phones and all the other

8:47

their lap bottle of it all of

8:49

and or watson. Said. There.

8:52

Was a real muggy. Horses were

8:54

Real Madrid. Yeah,

8:57

I am so sick of

8:59

people being into soccer overseas

9:01

to the Mls. See

9:05

this is the tests you get

9:08

into the fire. This

9:10

thing. Whatever their status as a question,

9:12

there's nothing you people didn't grow up

9:14

in these countries. Those happy for you

9:16

could pick out the city's on on

9:18

on on a map. You could opt

9:21

out you didn't grow up. Oh you

9:23

didn't have family that grew up over

9:25

there. Are not was we always. Grew

9:29

up in Sam. Something about Samsung is

9:31

that you're probably not been a fan

9:33

of Italian. sophomoric. Exactly why not idle

9:35

idle rantings, doesn't. Include

9:38

on this Sylvie. By the way my

9:40

son is all and a real know

9:42

what. Is it A diehard Real Madrid

9:44

fans? years from the fruit see or

9:46

line I just as discussed former football

9:48

player sitting next to me. I heard

9:51

on the other day Cbrc the end

9:53

of the janitor one month. I don't

9:55

know. yeah that's. Right? You go to Peacock.

9:57

I am a parent plus and he goes in

9:59

one. The highlights of the Champion: Holly

10:01

I'm I was a free echelon agencies

10:04

deserves A little bummed Elisa is that

10:06

what it's called Moussaoui has that whenever

10:08

and rebels actually I'm yesterday I will

10:11

You could only I'd honestly because it

10:13

only wants like one picture of our

10:15

of of i don't know Yamamoto I'm

10:18

I see the distance. Hooray for Real

10:20

Madrid! Where do you my says this

10:22

is incredible. About

10:24

council putting gasoline for the fifth time

10:27

to blow say but he has no

10:29

thoughts but Real Madrid. Gives up a goal

10:31

lead. it's five minutes on it. He he. It's

10:33

amazing how they blew the whistle. just he sobers

10:35

by. You're wrong. I was born or West Germany.

10:39

I am European and the original dreamer. I

10:41

came over here when as a youth. So

10:44

I do have a European background.

10:46

See. Wrong. Certainly. When

10:49

the Chicago's thing we're here who

10:51

did watch it was horrified when it's

10:53

a lot of my heart of our

10:55

sidebar headed for our our doorstep and

10:58

a hobby and for the last

11:00

you promised my grandmother who didn't watch

11:02

that we all watched through the lens

11:04

Simon was sick go skiing success

11:06

time ago and by her like Manchester

11:09

as human as well as Hamels I

11:11

saw that as the everyone it. Does

11:15

their level of play up to par

11:17

with what's happening? In Europe. I'd.

11:19

Be more you know was merely baseball. Do you

11:21

know a little bit? you don't tear? Up

11:23

and said. Maybe. This is a job

11:25

of that of his recreational just as the

11:28

only reason Alicia might. as well. As well

11:30

as it's it's quality of July of two

11:32

I'd end up to par. Then. I

11:34

was the Mls I just I don't

11:36

want to sit there was those are

11:39

asleep on was smuggled. Talk about their

11:41

favorite European soccer teams like it's their

11:43

fantasy Football yes I get annoyed with

11:45

the in the same way one I

11:47

didn't say when see nobody cares, we

11:49

will do fine. Manchester United as you

11:51

grew up in Chicago. Screw. ups

11:54

and see this this is the most like

11:56

did all my lawn there is a study

11:58

been get off my This is the cold war of

12:01

France. It

12:04

must be USA or nothing. I'm

12:09

just talking about people with

12:11

the cold war. We

12:14

have people all over the world

12:16

loving the NFL. And

12:19

people in England, in Australia,

12:22

and all over the

12:24

world love our product. And

12:26

now people love what

12:28

they're doing with Premier League soccer. They love

12:31

it a little bit more quietly. I'm in

12:33

the press box trying to watch the Cubs

12:35

game, and I've got five guys all

12:38

highfiving each other. Because Real

12:40

Madrid missed a penalty kick. What's the NFL going

12:42

on? I

12:44

will tell you this. Not the NFL. But it

12:46

is for the NFL. Yes, if

12:48

you live in Europe, that's their NFL. It's not our

12:50

NFL. Exactly. I

12:54

guarantee you there

12:56

are people out there that feel the same way.

12:58

It's not that you're a fan. It's how much

13:00

you talk about European soccer. Like

13:02

it's happening in our backyard. All right, thank you very

13:05

much. I'm going to take the block off the

13:07

calls because I think we've got the blockers on

13:09

the call. There are people that agree with me.

13:11

I will simply offer this up. International soccer except

13:13

for the World Cup was not available in the

13:15

United States. And what I feel like

13:17

was early 2000s. I would agree with

13:19

you. Early 2000s you started to get a trickle in

13:22

some of the international play that was out there. Since

13:25

they've allowed international soccer to be

13:27

shown, and you've seen the quality

13:29

of international soccer, whether it was

13:31

with Shevchenko, Andrei Pirlo, all the

13:33

great Italian players that have come

13:35

to the pipeline, I

13:38

think that's when you got a chance to

13:40

really see the Galactico's from the late 07's,

13:42

08's, and the play for Real

13:44

Madrid via David Beckham, Ronaldo, all the

13:46

greats. Not the Cristiano Ronaldo, but

13:49

the original Ronaldo. Virgil, right, and Roberto

13:51

Carlos, and all the great players that

13:53

ended up playing for that team. Until

13:56

that started to happen, and it took a while,

14:00

going to happen overnight. It took a while, which

14:02

is why I think the NFL said, Hey, oh,

14:05

it takes a while. But when it gets a hold and

14:08

it really starts to build, it takes time from

14:10

go one to two, two to four, four to

14:12

three. But by the time you get it into

14:14

the hundreds of thousands now, then when you multiply

14:16

it again, then it goes. And let me ask

14:19

you another question. I think the NFL tried to

14:21

follow that model that was happening here with how

14:23

does a kid growing up in Chicago choose his

14:25

European team? Then give me, let me ask you

14:27

people become such diehards. The same way any kid

14:29

in Australia chose the Chicago Bulls. So

14:35

here's how it worked. In 08, there

14:39

are three Croatians on Tottenham. And it

14:42

was Luka Modric, it was Vedran Chorluca,

14:44

and it was Nico Crenshaw. So

14:46

I became a Tottenham fan because

14:48

they had three Croats. Yeah. So

14:51

Fulham had a couple of Americans

14:53

on there. So naturally, Clint Dempsey

14:55

was there. I think Landon Donovan

14:57

was with Everton. The

14:59

goaltender might have been with Fulham also, but

15:01

naturally you have a tendency then to go

15:03

to the, Hey, where are your countrymen at?

15:06

My countrymen were playing for Tottenham. So

15:08

I watched Tottenham play. Mela, how did

15:10

you get into it? All right. At

15:12

least you explained it. I'm falling asleep.

15:14

But at least you explained it. You

15:16

told me you had a press box

15:18

ran. Yes, I don't do it. It

15:21

really has nothing to do with the

15:23

press box or baseball. It just happened

15:25

to be five people around me watching

15:27

soccer. Like it's the NBA Finals

15:29

or the Super Bowl for God's sake. How did

15:31

you become a Liverpool? I'm surprised Miller doesn't have

15:33

some 8am show on Sunday on soccer. That's like

15:35

putting an NFL show on at noon. That's another

15:40

thing. I got it up at 7am if I'm some die hard

15:42

fan. Great. 7, what are you sleeping

15:44

past 7? What are you, how did you become

15:46

a Liverpool fan? When I started watching it, seriously, like you

15:48

said, I think it was about 98, 99

15:51

when I started watching European soccer, Liverpool, I

15:53

liked Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard was very

15:55

young and he was on his way. So

15:57

basically, they were two players that I really.

16:00

like watching and so I started watching their matches

16:02

basically ever since. And he's been a fan ever

16:04

since? I'm happy for him. I don't have a

16:06

European team, I just like cheering for Italy for

16:08

the national team, which they think, you

16:12

know, I don't. Pino Moblar. I only like

16:14

cheering for them at the international competition. Before

16:16

we take calls saying I'm a soccer hater,

16:18

World Cup. You're not a soccer hater, you're

16:20

an international hater. World Cup in the US,

16:23

all for it. What's up with the Chicago

16:25

Fire, all for it. Oh, fire. Obviously,

16:28

the Chicago Fire went through and

16:30

threw. I'm just randomly choosing some

16:32

team in Europe or Germany or

16:34

whatever. Because you live here though.

16:36

USNA, greatest company in the world.

16:38

It's bubbly, just so tired of

16:40

people talking about it. So

16:43

your rule about being a sports fan is you could

16:45

only cheer for the teams in the city you live

16:47

in. I am a big, actually I have a big

16:49

thing about that, yeah, because I fight with my step

16:51

sons about that as well. You,

16:54

your sons, you grew up here too. I

16:58

mean, I don't like if your dad grew

17:00

up in Buffalo, but lived here his whole

17:02

life and you grew up here. That's

17:05

just crazy. That's crazy. I hate that. So

17:07

you should be held hostage by the city you

17:09

grow up in. You go to school, you talk

17:12

to bears, you talk to bulls, you talk

17:14

to... You don't like the way Jerry runs

17:16

his teams and you want to choose a different

17:18

baseball team or basketball team. Why not? I

17:21

wish my dad was a Yankee fan. Are you

17:23

kidding? No. I've only got to grow up

17:25

to be a Yankee fan. No, that's not how it works. That's not how it

17:27

works. You grow up here, there are rules. You

17:30

live with your team good and bad. You know that, Toby. This

17:32

is my role. Now you can do a bit where you fire

17:34

your team. I get it. Carmen's done that five

17:37

times with the White Sox. You

17:39

get one mulligan with choosing a team.

17:42

You grow up and you pick a team. I did

17:44

that. And it could be Chicago, it

17:46

could be any. My son chose

17:48

the White Sox. He gets one

17:51

mulligan now. If he wants to come

17:53

to be a Cubs fan, it could be a Cubs fan.

17:55

I can live with that. He wants to be a whatever.

17:58

But I don't care if it's what it was. whatever

18:00

town it's in. Now I'm not granted, I'm not taking

18:02

him to that town. He has to

18:05

go to the games. Yeah, it's harder to

18:07

go to the games if you pick a

18:09

team out of town. But look, with technology

18:11

the way it is today, Jesse, league pass,

18:13

you know, on the ticket, you can watch

18:15

all of these games now. You don't need

18:17

to live in that town anymore. Which is

18:20

even more reason to be loyal to the

18:22

city you grew up in. No, it's less

18:24

of a reason. It's less, I'm with Sylvie.

18:26

There's more, it's easier now for kids. I

18:28

used my one mulligan when I was 13. Sylvie's

18:31

right, you get one. I used it, that's it.

18:35

My son's a bigger Real Madrid

18:37

fan than he is a Bears or

18:39

Bulls fan, I feel like. You're what? Real

18:41

Madrid. Nate loves Real Madrid. Sounds like your

18:44

kid's smart. No, he's an idiot. I

18:49

mean, when the Cubs are playing the team

18:51

that I cover, he's texting me that Real

18:53

Madrid just scored. I don't care. What are

18:55

you trying to find with the old man?

18:59

I cover them. Oh my God. I don't care

19:01

about soccer. I have to find

19:03

a half a world away. They can come after him

19:05

today, not me. It's not a bit.

19:08

It's not a bit. Again,

19:10

another thing during crosswalk, I had

19:12

no clue was coming. So good.

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I'm here for it. Sylvie's here. Yeah, I

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love this guy. This is great. Put

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up my lap. This beast sitting next

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to me, NFL player. He

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loves soccer. He's running home to watch soccer

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highlights. He loves it. He has three years.

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For me, there's only one game left. Real

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Madrid has already won La Liga. Here

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we go. They put forward, they have four games

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left. It's already won. They've already won La Liga.

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Now they're playing for the Champions League. Is this

19:39

a better part? No. We first met

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Wembley. They've met the Champions League. This is not a bad

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thing. He knows all

19:45

stuff about everything. Don't be upset.

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Ready? He's the world we

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got. And ready? He's got two croats on

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there too. Yurko, who is the manager

19:54

of Chelsea? Chelsea,

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I'm looking at it right now. show

20:00

Pocatino. Okay, Yurko. Who

20:02

is the manager of the Seattle Mariners?

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You should know him. Yes, Bob Renly. He's

20:08

using a Sierra Cubs catcher. Yes. This is

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right up the alley of when this guy

20:15

was Gene Klein. He was on some of

20:17

the really bad Cubs teams of the night.

20:19

Did you not know? He's not gonna know

20:21

that. Steve Swisher. No, you're close. Joe

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Girardi. No, you were closer with Steve. He

20:25

was just in the booth, Joe Girardi. The

20:27

first initial is the same

20:30

as Steve. So it's funny. Scott

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Scott. Yeah, service. Yeah.

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Very good. Very good.

20:36

Yurko, who is the

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manager of Barcelona? Barcelona

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is, I am looking

20:43

at him right now, Zabi. Zabi. Okay.

20:46

Yurko, who is the manager of

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the New York Mets? No

20:51

chance he knows that. I know this. I

20:53

see him all the time. He's brand new.

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Buddy Ackerman. It's not with him. All right.

20:58

The Cubs are playing the

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Pirates. Oh, he's got no chance. He knows the

21:06

Pirates. He's from here. He's from here. Yeah,

21:10

absolutely. I know this guy. Manchester United,

21:12

who's the manager. He should be fired.

21:19

Um, see, he knows that. It's

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the new guy. Hold on. Then tag, then Hague. Then

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Hague. Like

21:26

when Ken Stanza would just say name.

21:28

He can make up a name. I

21:30

would know. Here's

21:33

the other thing. I don't, I still don't want

21:35

to understand myself all the different leagues. The pre.

21:37

It's hard. I don't understand. Like when they play,

21:39

when they're off, how they, in the middle of

21:41

the season, they get together and play national games.

21:43

The best old man. But

21:47

Brad, Cuban or ass. It is right here.

21:49

But actually the only part I don't like soccer.

21:53

Is how much people talk about it. So good.

21:55

It reminds me of people talking about their fans.

21:57

Okay with them liking it, but you don't like.

22:00

them sharing it with you. Yes. Okay.

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Three, one, two, three, two, three, seven,

22:05

seven, six. I want to. Speaking

22:08

of managers, we're going

22:11

to talk about Cubs managers and... And

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Barcelona managers. You're

22:15

mad at Council? Why are you mad at

22:17

Council? I'm not mad at Council. I'm not.

22:19

No, no. I think like

22:21

some of the quirks that we've discussed

22:23

with Council brings up some stuff about

22:26

Madden. And he wants to

22:28

bring up Ross. And like what is the

22:30

honest question for Cubs fans? What

22:33

are the biggest differences in these managers? Can

22:36

you tell? It's hard. It's

22:38

hard. So

22:41

we'll get to that coming up next. All right. Why

22:43

don't you still be here next?