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So even though it's Thanksgiving week, we are

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Book of Leviticus, every 25th

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year, a radio show shall lay

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down its burdens and review its past

0:57

segments. You wouldn't believe the crazy

1:00

stuff in Leviticus. Did you know it's

1:02

a sin to have a voice this sultry?

1:04

If it isn't, it should be.

1:10

So

1:12

let's begin this jubilee with a trip back

1:14

to 2009 when we went to

1:16

Hartford, Connecticut, to interview one of the

1:19

original stars of Saturday Night

1:21

Live, Jane Kirk.

1:23

Do you realize that Saturday Night Live is as

1:25

old as Jesus? That's

1:32

terrifying. That

1:34

also doesn't bode well for its immediate future,

1:37

does it? I

1:41

did want to ask, though, 33 years ago,

1:44

just like you said, I mean, it wasn't just

1:46

a TV show. It

1:47

was this huge cultural moment. And

1:49

when you look back on it, I don't know if you look back

1:52

on it. I can't see that far. No, really.

1:56

I mean, when you think about it, you're like, wow, that was a great

1:58

thing. And we were just lucky it was just a TV show.

1:59

we went on or is it like wow that was like a moment

2:02

that was an amazing thing that I was a part of. I,

2:05

you know, I get carried away

2:08

by what other people say about it. I didn't really

2:11

think beyond what I was doing

2:13

about what the effect was. I felt

2:16

the effect, but I didn't understand it

2:18

because I wasn't watching

2:19

it. I was doing it. Wow. You

2:22

were telling us earlier that when the show first began, it was

2:25

panned by the critics. Nobody thought it would succeed at all.

2:27

Oh no. As a matter of fact, one

2:29

reviewer said I had no right to be on television.

2:32

Really? Yeah. Were

2:34

you guys aware of that? Did you think, oh,

2:36

we know we know we didn't care. We

2:38

didn't care. We didn't care. We were

2:41

getting paid $750 a week.

2:43

Whoa. And

2:46

that back in the 70s. Come on. We're

2:48

talking scratch here. And that would buy you a lot

2:51

of cocaine back in the 70s. And apparently it

2:53

did. Apparently, from what I've read. Although

2:55

we've also read that the parties

2:58

and the whole sort of scene there was crazy every

3:00

Saturday night. But you were not a part of it. Is

3:02

that true that you were like, no, not what

3:04

you're going to do? Well,

3:05

no. You know what? I

3:07

hated missing a day. I hated missing

3:09

Sunday. You mean that day that you just sort of. That day

3:11

that when you arrived back at

3:13

your apartment at five o'clock in the morning, I

3:16

didn't want to miss the day. And

3:18

actually I sat next to Mick Jagger and he had his fist

3:21

up his nose. And I thought, I don't want

3:23

to see that ever again.

3:24

You

3:28

know, I was about to say, you can't do that. And I was like, Mick

3:31

Jagger probably could. He did. Was

3:33

there something up there he wanted? I

3:36

didn't wait around to find out. No,

3:39

no, no, no. The Lord knows what he was going to have when he got

3:41

his hand out. We also,

3:44

once we read somewhere that you actually haven't

3:46

watched Saturday Night Live since you left

3:48

the show. Is

3:49

that true? Pretty. Yeah. Was

3:52

that a conscious decision or are you just busy now on Saturday night? Part of it was a

3:54

conscious decision and the other part was I can't

3:56

stay up that late. Yeah, you know.

3:59

So, those crazy kids.

4:02

Oh geez, I don't know how they do

4:04

it. Did you ever go back and watch yourself from

4:06

the very early days? You know what

4:08

I did? They came out with

4:11

the DVDs and they gave

4:13

us two sets and so I sent one

4:15

to my daughter and she

4:18

had the DVDs. I said, have you looked at any? And

4:21

she said, no let's look at one. So

4:23

they pick a disc and

4:25

they put it in and we're just

4:27

going through

4:27

the thing and they stopped

4:30

and it was a show from the first

4:32

year.

4:33

It might have been early on

4:35

and we watched it.

4:38

It was so not funny.

4:39

It

4:42

was 90 minutes of sheer

4:45

boredom.

4:47

People sort of standing around going,

4:49

what do I do now?

4:51

It was awful. It was

4:53

just awful. So

4:55

I like the myth. That's what

4:57

I like.

5:03

Mrs. Lupner was funny.

5:05

Oh, I really like Mrs. Lupner. We love

5:08

Mrs. Lupner. Well Jane Curtin, we are

5:10

so delighted to have you with us. We have asked you

5:12

here this week to play a game

5:15

that we are calling something about

5:17

you. I don't know what it is

5:19

but it's driving me wild. Never

5:23

mind the clothing, the gym, the hair,

5:25

the witty badanaj. One theory

5:27

of sexual attraction at least says

5:29

that it all comes down to pheromones,

5:32

those invisible undetectable

5:34

to the conscious mind sense, which

5:36

for some animals are the biochemical equivalent

5:39

of hay-sailing. We're

5:42

going to ask you three questions about pheromones taken

5:44

from Mary Roach's new book about

5:46

the science of sex called bunk.

5:51

Answer two questions correctly. You'll win our prize, Carl Castle's

5:54

voice on their home answering machine. Carl,

5:56

who is Jane Curtin playing for? Jane is playing

5:58

for Karen Wolf. Manchester,

6:00

Connecticut. All right, here we go. Here's your first question.

6:03

Back in the 1970s, scientists tried to

6:05

find out if pheromones worked on humans

6:08

by doing what? A. Finding

6:10

men who had lost their sense of smell

6:13

and measuring their responses to an attractive

6:15

actress hired for this purpose. B.

6:19

Asking 65 women to

6:22

smear supposed monkey pheromones onto

6:24

their chests before bed to see if

6:26

their husbands noticed. C.

6:30

Observing the behavior of rhesus monkeys who

6:32

were wearing lingerie recently worn by

6:34

humans. I

6:40

think it's the first one. Do you think it's the first one? They found

6:42

men who had lost their sense of smell. They were anosmic,

6:44

is the term, and they introduced them to an actress and they measured

6:46

how excited they got. That's what you think they

6:48

did? I think it's A. You think it's A? I'm

6:51

afraid it was actually B. No. They hired 65

6:54

women. They paid them

6:56

a dollar a day to do this. They

6:58

thought they had discovered this chemical in rhesus

7:00

monkeys that caused sexual interest in males

7:03

in rhesus monkeys. So they synthesized

7:05

the chemical. They gave it to these women. They asked them to smear it

7:07

on their chests and go to bed with their husbands and

7:09

not mention it and see if their husbands

7:11

reacted in any way. And

7:14

the answer was, no, they didn't. They

7:21

all kept having flashbacks to their time

7:23

in Borneo. I'm

7:27

assuming

7:27

the husbands were holding a remote at the time.

7:29

They won't? Honey, did you want

7:31

something? No. No, but they started chewing

7:33

on their toenails. Because

7:37

all of a sudden they could reach them.

7:41

They're picking bugs out

7:43

of her hair. Okay.

7:46

You have two more chances. Some years after

7:49

that, scientists wanted to test the effect

7:51

on human females of a compound called

7:53

androstenone that is found

7:56

in male sweat. They wanted to see

7:58

if women were attracted to it. So in order

8:00

to find out they did which of these? A, they

8:03

sprayed it on a particular seat in a dentist's

8:05

waiting room, and they watched the hidden

8:08

camera to see if women sat in that chair

8:10

more often. B,

8:12

they asked test subjects to sniff

8:14

it and then look at pictures of a homely

8:17

man to see if that made the man more attractive.

8:21

Or C, the scientist simply put it on like

8:23

cologne and they went out to bars around campus

8:25

to see how lucky they

8:28

could get. I

8:32

think it's C, but they just put it on their pulse

8:34

points. I did. Went out to the

8:36

bars. Yeah. And they're like, hello?

8:39

Yeah, I think it's C. No, it was actually A, the

8:41

dentist's chair. The dentist's chair. They

8:43

went to a dentist's office and they sprayed

8:46

one chair with it and then they hid and they watched to see

8:48

if that increased the frequency of women sitting in the chair.

8:50

They hid? What did they have? Under

8:53

the chair. Behind the ficus tree. No, they had

8:55

a little pincus tree. Behind the ficus

8:57

tree. No, they had a

8:59

little camera and they said

9:01

that after they sprayed it, more women sat

9:03

in that chair for reasons that the woman

9:05

couldn't explain. Well, why did you sit in that chair? I don't know. I

9:08

just sat in the chair. So that was actually one of the few experiments showing

9:10

that pheromones might have an effect, although. If

9:13

you want a woman to sit in the chair. Exactly.

9:17

You have one more chance, Dan. Let's see what we can

9:19

do. The Smell and Taste Treatment

9:21

and Research Foundation in Chicago did a test.

9:24

They used special equipment to see what scents women

9:26

found the most arousing. Surprisingly,

9:30

the most arousing scent for

9:32

their test subjects was what?

9:35

A, Hormel brand canned

9:37

corned beef hash. B,

9:41

freshly cut linoleum tile.

9:45

Or C, a mixture of cucumbers and

9:47

good and plenty candy.

9:51

Oh, it's got to be C. You're going to go for the good and plenty? Yeah.

9:54

Oh,

9:54

that's right. Let's

9:59

talk about this a minute.

9:59

Why were you so certain? Well,

10:02

when you think about it, I mean, cucumbers

10:05

smell great. Yeah.

10:06

And Good and Plenty. Good and Plenty smells great. Have

10:08

you smelled a Good and Plenty lately? Well,

10:11

I'm going to go buy a few boxes as soon as we leave this

10:13

theater. Kids

10:16

have been huffing Good and Plenty. Really? Well,

10:20

you're right. It turns out that it

10:22

was a mixture of cucumbers and Good and Plenty. Some

10:24

researchers guessed that the candy brought back pleasant

10:27

memories of childhood. By the way, among the

10:29

very least arousing sense, men's

10:32

cologne.

10:38

So if they added cucumbers to

10:40

the snack stands at movie theaters, those

10:43

teenage date nights could get a little more interesting.

10:48

I'll have a cucumber and a Good and Plenty. What

10:52

if you sweat on a cucumber? And

10:56

then rub it on a chair. What

10:58

if you get like if there was a sweaty

11:00

cucumber on a dentist chair? Oh, yeah.

11:04

Wait a minute. How about one of you rub Good

11:06

and Plenty on your chest? How about

11:08

a Reese's? I do. What

11:10

are you doing, that rock man? Where

11:13

do you rub it? How about a Reese's

11:15

Monkey eating Good and Plenty? Is that exciting?

11:18

A Reese's Pea is a monkey. Carl,

11:22

how did Jane Curtin do in our quiz? Well, they needed

11:25

at least two correct answers to win for Karen

11:27

Wolf, but she had just one correct answer. So

11:32

humiliated. Jane

11:35

Curtin was the star of Saturday Night Live in the

11:37

hit TV shows Kate and Allie and Third Rock from the

11:39

Sun. You can see her in TNT's presentation

11:42

of a librarian quest for the spear and

11:44

the librarian returned to King Solomon's Mines.

11:47

Jane Curtin, thank you so much for being here.

11:49

Thank you.

12:02

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Tell Me, the NPR News Quiz. I'm

13:48

Bill Curtis, and here's your host

13:51

at the Studebaker Theater and the Fine

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Arts Building in downtown Chicago,

13:55

Peter Segal.

13:56

Thank you, Bill. Thank you.

14:01

So we're looking back at some of the highlights

14:03

from our 25 years in the air to distract

14:05

from the fact we're definitely getting some wrinkles in

14:08

our T-zone. In 2011, we

14:10

spoke to Eric Schmidt, now a well-known

14:12

philanthropist, but then the CEO

14:15

of Google. He had been hired to bring

14:17

some maturity to a company founded

14:19

by two very young grad students.

14:22

And Peter asked him how he imposed

14:24

discipline. We had to have two rules. The first

14:27

rule, these are both rules I enacted. The first is that

14:29

you had to wear clothes to work. First

14:33

rule, you have to wear clothes. What's the second rule? Well,

14:36

the second rule is that you have to have fun.

14:38

You can be serious about wearing a suit, and

14:40

we wanted to invent the future. Right.

14:42

And you did, and here it is, and it's nice.

14:45

So speaking of the future,

14:46

everybody's excited about Google Glass?

14:49

Yes. And I don't know what it is exactly.

14:52

What would you use it for? Tell me what you'd use this amazing invention.

14:54

We don't quite know yet. We

14:56

have the 2000 of these. You've shipped them

14:58

out to developers, and we're seeing what they develop. There's

15:01

obviously issues, shall we say, of

15:03

appropriateness of how people are going to use these things.

15:06

There's a right time to have Google Glass on, and

15:08

there's a right time to have it off if you take

15:10

my drift. Right. So we're going to

15:12

watch and see what people do with it, and then decide

15:14

what to do. It is a technical achievement

15:18

of extraordinary scale. I've been to

15:19

the Googleplex, your headquarters in

15:22

California, and it is amazing. There's volleyball

15:25

pits, and there's an amazing cafeteria

15:27

that has everything but a cash register, and

15:29

there are classes all day. There's yoga.

15:32

There's a ball pit. There's a ball pit for

15:34

grownups. How does any work

15:36

ever get done?

15:37

Free breakfast, lunch, and dinner, massages,

15:40

you name it, bring your dog to work, bring your other

15:42

pets. We had one employee decide

15:45

that the policy allowed him to bring his boa

15:47

constrictor to work. How does

15:49

that work out? We have revised the policy that

15:51

you have to work, but we have to bring your boa

15:54

constrictor to work. Really? That's

15:56

an oil now?

16:01

I just imagine this was your

16:03

job. I mean, it was like you're sitting there in

16:05

your suit trying to do the business and it's like, Mr.

16:08

Smith, there's a boa constrictor. Could you come down and tell them not

16:10

to do it? All right. They did catch the

16:12

boa constrictor. Yeah. There is a person

16:14

that you can hire in New York City

16:17

who will, in fact, catch boa constrictors that you

16:19

lose. So

16:22

you mentioned that you invented this thing, Google

16:24

Glass, and you don't know how exactly people are going

16:26

to use it. You do that a lot. Don't you have this thing where you're supposed

16:29

to spend like 20% of your time at Google? Yeah. Another

16:31

one of our ideas is that engineers should

16:34

spend 20% of their time working on

16:36

whatever they find interesting. Now, before you

16:38

get too excited, remember, engineers are not that

16:40

interesting. Right. Yeah. They're

16:43

just there. But they understand very well.

16:45

And a lot of the Google inventions

16:48

came from engineers just screwing

16:50

around with ideas. And then management would

16:52

see them and we'd say, boy, that's interesting. Let's add

16:54

some more engineers. So give me an example of

16:56

something that came out of that.

16:58

A simple one would be Google Maps. Google

17:00

Maps came out of that process. I have a question on

17:02

internet etiquette. How do you feel, or

17:04

have you ever gotten someone's email and

17:06

they had an AOL extension at the

17:09

end? Do you feel sorry for them?

17:13

Well, AOL is one of our largest partners, so

17:15

we're very happy if you're using AOL.

17:22

Eric Schmidt, we're delighted to have you with us. We've

17:24

invited you here to play a game we're calling.

17:27

Try Googling that, big shot. Google,

17:32

as we know. I'm skeptical of this. Yeah,

17:34

it seems to find everything. So we're going to ask you about three

17:36

things that cannot be found, at least

17:38

as far as we know. Answer two questions correctly.

17:40

You'll win our prize for one of our listeners, Carl's voice and their

17:42

home answering machine.

17:44

Bill, who is- There's nothing that cannot be found through some

17:46

search engine or on the internet somewhere. Oh,

17:48

so you say, sir. So

17:51

you say. Bill, who is Google

17:53

chairman Eric Schmidt playing for? Ashley

17:55

Burton of Columbia, Missouri. All

17:57

right, here's your first question, Eric. For more than

17:59

a-

17:59

century people have been looking for what

18:02

in the desert to Southern California? A, a fungus

18:05

that can cure baldness.

18:06

B, a treasure ship from

18:09

the 19th century. Or C,

18:11

the real killers.

18:12

The fungus. The fungus.

18:15

Oh, from your mouth to God's ears. But actually it's the

18:17

treasure ship.

18:19

For more than a century, there have been legends of a

18:21

wooden ship filled with treasure somewhere in

18:23

the desert south of the Salton Sea.

18:25

How did it get there? They say a big wave somewhere.

18:27

Am I supposed to be using Google during this thing

18:29

or not?

18:30

Well,

18:32

you've got it hardwired into your brain. I've

18:35

got a browser up here. I'm running Chrome.

18:38

If I could just type your questions in,

18:40

I'll get the answers right.

18:42

I don't know. Sometimes Chrome, you just end up

18:44

with some strange site that doesn't help. I'm not saying,

18:46

I don't mean that. I don't mean that. Don't

18:48

turn it off. This

18:51

is a test of your knowledge. I'm just saying, not

18:53

the world's knowledge. You're not. Next

18:56

question, the town of Ren-la-Chateau, France,

18:59

because of an enduring mystery is regularly

19:01

overrun by whom? A, people looking

19:03

for Amelia Earhart. B, fans of

19:05

the Da Vinci Code. Or C, mongooses.

19:10

The first one. The first one. People looking

19:12

for Amelia Earhart are going to Ren-la-Chateau, France? No,

19:15

the third one. The third one.

19:19

Mongooses? Yes. I'd

19:22

go to that Chrome. I'm trying

19:25

to type a question

19:27

in. You're asking me to say, I

19:29

need to use Google Voice Search here.

19:31

Go, you do it. Actually, at this point,

19:33

I think we'd best better let you use the

19:36

crotch to go on. Ren-la-Chateau.

19:38

Ren-la-Chateau. You saw, I want

19:40

you to, we've never tried this. You're the chairman of Google.

19:42

You get to use Google. Go ahead, see if you can answer the question.

19:46

The

19:47

serious

19:50

society,

19:50

the Freemasons, the priori of science. I mean,

19:53

you know, there's lots of information here. I know. Meanwhile,

19:56

we got Bill Gates in the other line. He used

19:58

Bing. He got it.

19:59

uh... uh...

20:09

so

20:10

we think

20:11

and the answer of course is that the dvc code

20:13

according to wikipedia over uh...

20:17

back

20:25

in the fifties a restaurant owner started spreading

20:27

stories about hidden treasures of the priority of launched

20:30

all these other stories many which den

20:32

brown used in his book which is why these

20:34

people are coming to rent less at all

20:36

and really annoying the natives all right so

20:38

you have one more chance if you have the vast

20:41

power of the internet near your own company

20:43

so let's see if you can answer this one another

20:46

great mystery is the lost dutchman

20:48

mine valuable gold mine somewhere in the

20:50

superstition mountain area of arizona many

20:52

men have died searching for the mine one prospector

20:55

james cravie

20:56

was found dead in the mountains the carter

20:58

ruled that there was no foul play despite

21:01

what a he was found with a dented

21:04

cook pot near his broken skull be

21:06

there was a guy next to him who told the searchers yep i

21:08

shot him just a little while ago for me or

21:10

see his head was found thirty feet from

21:12

his body

21:15

his name is james cravie that c r

21:17

a

21:21

dutchman line you

21:23

just get out playing the birds of my back up uh...

21:30

we're searching for searching for reading it's

21:33

hilarious mine amazingly

21:36

not a bit for a bit on the internet his

21:40

head was thirty feet from spot did you just find

21:42

that in the internet

21:43

no i'm just guessing

21:47

well you're right his head

21:49

was found

21:51

how

21:57

his head dot thirty feet from his body on his

21:59

own we don't

21:59

don't know.

22:01

Bill, how did Google chairman Eric Schmidt

22:03

do on our show? Eric got two

22:06

rights.

22:06

Playing

22:09

for Ashley Burton. Eric Schmidt

22:11

is the executive chairman of Google and author

22:13

along with Jared Cohen of the book, The New Digital

22:15

Age. Eric Schmidt, thank you so much for joining us.

22:32

Mr. Schmidt was a tech mogul, so

22:35

why not pair him right now with a mogul

22:37

skier, in fact one of the greatest of all time.

22:39

Olympic gold medalist Hannah Kearney,

22:42

who we spoke to while in her hometown,

22:45

Salt Lake City in 2017. But

22:47

as Hannah told Peter, she didn't actually

22:50

grow up there. I did not. I

22:52

grew up skiing on ice in Vermont. Right.

22:54

And

22:57

is that why you became a mogul skier? Because you couldn't

22:59

find a decent, groomed run anywhere in Vermont?

23:02

It certainly built character and it honed

23:05

my turn. It made skiing in Utah

23:07

much easier. Wow, yeah. I should

23:10

probably explain because not everybody

23:12

knows what mogul skiing is. So basically you're skiing,

23:14

you're going around these many, many, many bumps in

23:16

the course and then every now and then you hit a jump, you go

23:18

flying in the air, you do a somersault or something impressive, you

23:21

land, you keep going. Yep. And

23:23

then it's also tenured. Right. How

23:26

did you, well first of all, how old were you when you started skiing? I

23:28

was two years old when my parents put my

23:30

two year old body inside of a horse halter

23:32

and let me go down the slopes and I don't remember

23:35

learning how to ski. Really? So

23:37

like you have no memory

23:37

of yourself before you knew how to ski? Correct.

23:41

Wow. You were in the horse halter? Were

23:43

they riding you? The

23:46

whip, that's why I became a good skier. Just

23:50

kidding, mom and dad. So

23:52

when you get in the car, do you love the streets

23:54

with a lot of potholes when you're driving? Because

23:57

you put the same thing, right? Yes. That would

23:59

be different.

23:59

dodging muggles,

24:00

you're going straight over them, but similar.

24:04

Yeah, yeah. No backflips in

24:06

the car. This is

24:08

a relatively new competitive

24:10

sport, right? Because ski racing classically

24:13

was just downhill and slalom and giant slalom.

24:16

And when did they start adding these sort

24:18

of crazy new types of skiing to

24:20

the international circuit?

24:21

At the Olympic level, it

24:24

was 1992 for our sport, and they've been, as

24:26

you've seen, more crazier

24:28

sports year after year. In

24:30

my sport alone, I was, I think, 16 years

24:32

old when I had to just start

24:34

learning backflips because someone,

24:37

his name was Johnny Mosley, decided he was going to push the sport

24:40

and make

24:43

it so that all future generations were going to have to learn

24:45

crazy flips and maneuvers. They're not as dangerous

24:48

as they sound, but

24:48

I don't think that's what my parents thought when they first heard.

24:50

And certainly nothing I was

24:53

interested in doing when I signed up for

24:55

mogul skiing, my dad at Tower 8 and skiing

24:57

bumps. I wanted to keep my feet on the ground.

24:59

Can I ask you something? You keep talking

25:01

about you didn't want to do the acrobatics

25:04

and so on. Was there a point when you

25:06

realized, like, wow, I'm really good

25:08

at this? I mean, you were the best in the world

25:10

and you didn't want to do it. What if you had focused?

25:13

We might

25:17

never know. We might never know.

25:19

I tricked myself into thinking

25:21

I liked them. I put little post-its in

25:23

my room at the Olympic Training Center

25:25

that said, I love jumping. Really?

25:29

That was your self-motivation program?

25:32

It worked. I

25:35

thought you guys had like, you know, a multi-thousand dollar

25:37

sports psychologist. Nothing better than to post

25:39

it. World's shortest TED

25:41

talk. Exactly. Now,

25:46

you've skied in two Olympics, 2010 and 20...excuse me. But

25:51

the first one was so unsuccessful that it would be better

25:53

off if we just... Where was that? Torino,

25:55

Italy in 2006. Yeah. And then you

25:58

came back in 2010 and you... He won

26:00

gold. Yeah, that was where exactly that was

26:02

Vancouver. Vancouver,

26:03

that was the final of the final. Yeah.

26:07

I have heard, we have all heard that the

26:09

Olympic Village is like an absolute

26:12

decadent Roman Orgy all

26:14

the time. That is what they tell us. And they

26:16

say, well, you know, young athletes,

26:19

they're away from home. No, they're going at it like

26:21

a sled dog.

26:22

Exactly.

26:26

What comment can you make about

26:29

that, shall we say, stereotype of

26:31

Olympic Villages? I can make a couple comments. All

26:36

right. I will start with the rumor,

26:38

which was

26:38

there's a bowl of condoms, like

26:41

the health center. That's what we hear about. At the,

26:43

in the athlete village. And they disappear

26:45

quickly. So like, oh my goodness, these

26:48

are being put to use. But let me ask you this. You

26:50

were at the Olympics and there were Olympic

26:53

condoms. Would you take

26:55

one?

26:58

Oh, yeah. So

27:06

Olympic,

27:07

Olympic branded, little five

27:09

rings in the condoms. I never opened it.

27:11

So I'm not positive. All right. They're

27:14

coming all the colors. Of course they do. And they

27:16

work so well there's a flame at the tap. Oh, yeah. Oh,

27:18

yeah. Oh, yeah.

27:19

What the fuck? All

27:24

the parties and president

27:26

talk

27:26

to you. We have asked you to play a game.

27:28

We're calling. I am the master

27:31

of all I survey. You scheme.

27:33

Oh, God. So we thought we would

27:36

ask you about the other kind of moguls business

27:38

moguls. Answer two of these three

27:40

questions correctly. You want a prize for one of our

27:42

listeners bill who is Hannah playing for Kyle. First

27:46

question.

27:47

Ready to do this? Right. Samuel Goldwyn was

27:49

one of

27:51

the great movie moguls and he was famous for his odd turns

27:56

of phrase known around hell.

27:59

Hollywoodists, goldwinisms, including, at

28:02

least allegedly, which of these? A.

28:05

When told he couldn't make a movie from a book because

28:07

it was about lesbians, he said, it's okay, we'll make

28:09

some Hungarians instead.

28:13

Or B. Quote, my own

28:15

personal theory is that the pyramids were

28:17

built to store grain. Or

28:20

C. Quote, people are not as stupid

28:22

as the media thinks they are. Many of

28:24

them are stupid, but I'm talking about overall.

28:28

C. You're going to go for C. Yep. No,

28:31

that was actually said by Ben Carson, the

28:33

department... The

28:34

real

28:40

answer

28:40

was A, the one about the lesbians. So

28:42

what was it? So

28:44

the first one about the Hungarians was that was

28:46

Sami Goldman, the other two about the pyramids storing grain.

28:49

And people are, in fact, stupid. That's

28:51

Ben Carson, the Secretary of Housing

28:54

and Urban Development. He would recognize stupid. Okay,

28:58

Hannah, you got two more chances. Here's your

29:00

next question. Working for a mogul could

29:03

be pretty dangerous, as in which of these cases?

29:05

A. Cosmetics mogul, Vidal Sassoon,

29:08

required that his employees never wear bike helmets,

29:10

which might cover their silky, lustrous hair. B.

29:12

In the early days at Ben and Jerry's, ice cream mogul,

29:15

Ben Cohen, used to make employees eat new flavors

29:17

as fast as possible to test brain freeze. C.

29:21

In order to test the quality of his wares, Bulletproof

29:23

clothing mogul Miguel Cabarero

29:26

shoots all of his employees in the chest.

29:29

C. C. It is! Very good! B. This

29:31

is a mogul.

29:35

All right. Last question. We'll get

29:37

this right you win. One of the most famous moguls we

29:39

have today is, of course, Rupert Murdoch. He

29:41

made his first fortune in Australia, and then

29:44

he moved to the UK in the 1960s, buying

29:46

the then-struggling tabloid, The Sun.

29:49

He turned its fortunes around by telling its

29:51

editor what? A. Focus

29:54

on football, footballers' girlfriends,

29:56

and things that look like footballs. B.

29:59

If you use a word longer than three syllables,

30:02

you're fired. Or C, I

30:04

want a paper with lots of boobs in it.

30:08

How could you prove he didn't say any

30:11

of those things? Well,

30:13

like she's going to be right whatever she

30:16

answers. I do. I like that. I like your thinking.

30:18

They all sound possible. They do. But

30:20

I mean, is there like a transcript of everything

30:22

he's ever said? According to his biography,

30:24

he said one of those things. Oh, had I read

30:26

his biography. Has anyone read his biography? Really?

30:30

That would be absolutely not my

30:32

choice. It's funny. You don't have to

30:34

read his biography. You just have to read an issue of The Sun.

30:39

OK.

30:39

The audience in my ear is

30:41

saying C. And it is C. Thank

30:43

you. Thank you. Thank

30:45

you. Thank you. So

30:49

how did Hannah Carney do in that case? Well, of course

30:51

she won. Two out of three. Thank you.

30:55

What a great audition. Hannah

30:59

Carney is an Olympic gold medal winning

31:01

skier who just finished her junior year at Westminster

31:04

College here in Salt Lake City. Hold it right there. She's

31:06

coming for the medal.

31:06

The medal's in front of her. Give it up for Hannah

31:09

Carney.

31:15

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31:20

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Bill. Thanks, everybody. So

33:01

we keep wanting, we really do, to move

33:03

on from our 25th anniversary, but we keep finding

33:06

such amazing stuff in the vault. Imagine

33:09

Scrooge McDuck diving

33:11

into his big pile of gold coins, but

33:13

instead of gold coins, it's reels

33:16

and reels of tape. For example,

33:18

one of the greatest college basketball coaches

33:21

ever was Muffet McGraw, who for 33

33:24

years was the head coach of the Notre Dame

33:27

women's team, leading them to two championships

33:29

and a 77% win-loss record. We

33:33

visited with her near South Bed

33:35

in 2013, and Peter began with the most

33:37

important question

33:38

for such an accomplished

33:40

person. College sports is a

33:42

couple

33:43

of business, especially Notre Dame, and

33:45

they expect excellence and they expect toughness. Has

33:48

having the name Muffet been a little bit of a hindrance?

33:50

Well, you know, when I came there, Digger was the

33:52

men's coach.

33:53

So

33:56

I thought I'd fit right in. you

34:00

grew up playing basketball? I did. Right. I

34:02

played professionally for the California Dreams. I

34:04

played in college for St. Joe's. Wait a minute.

34:06

In Philadelphia. You played professionally

34:09

for the California Dreams. This was a pre-WNBA

34:11

women's professional league.

34:12

It was the first women's league, so I got my husband

34:14

a t-shirt that said, my wife is

34:16

a dream. Did

34:19

you get tired of the wild lifestyle

34:21

of a professional basketball player? The entourage,

34:23

the hangers on, all

34:25

the kids you didn't know you had. I have to

34:27

say,

34:27

you

34:33

don't seem like

34:35

you have,

34:38

shall we say, the enormous height of a professional

34:40

basketball player. That was a point guard. Now

34:43

imagine that I don't know anything about basketball. Honestly,

34:49

I'm getting the image here.

34:52

Let me stand in for people who are so ignorant

34:57

of basketball that they don't exactly know

34:59

what that means. Would you explain?

35:01

The point guard is generally smaller

35:03

than the other players on the team in Bossier.

35:05

Really? They run the

35:07

show. She's like the Magic

35:09

Johnson, even though he was big Peter. He's a big guy. He's

35:11

a big part, but she's like the John Stockton. How's that?

35:14

There you go. She passes

35:16

the ball. She shoots from the outside.

35:18

Of course, John Stockton was one of the dirtiest players in the

35:20

history of the NBA. Were you dropping the elbow as the people came

35:22

around the pick? A little bit. I thought, you know what?

35:25

I could see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've

35:27

always wanted to know because

35:29

I watch basketball on TV, and there are moments

35:32

when the coach calls on the players,

35:34

and he or she is just yelling at them. You can't

35:36

tell because, of course, you can just see it on TV. What

35:39

are you saying at that moment? Are

35:41

you trying to motivate the players?

35:43

Don't they have motivation enough?

35:45

They do. They do. We're talking about practice the next

35:47

day and how hard it's going to be if we don't win this game.

35:48

Really? You sort of

35:51

threatening them? A little bit. Let me

35:53

try to ... Because I want to get a sense of this because it's not

35:55

a world I know anything about. Let's assume that

35:58

you are coaching, say, me.

36:02

And you're watching the sidelines and I'm not

36:04

doing a good job. I know that's hard to imagine,

36:07

but let's assume. And you

36:09

call me over and give me the full

36:11

on muffin of the sidelines. What would that be like?

36:14

Why did I give you a scholarship?

36:17

That's

36:20

a little

36:23

bit good.

36:26

That's to the point. I'm going to get back

36:29

out there and break home.

36:32

Everybody knows that the women's game

36:34

is just as hard, just as demanding, and just as competitive

36:37

as the men's game. But is the style different?

36:39

Is like trash talk different in the women's

36:40

game? No, it really is.

36:43

It's an art

36:44

form. Trash talk? Yeah. Yeah. So,

36:48

we don't start it. We finish it.

36:54

Well, muffin the girl, we're delighted to talk to you here.

36:57

And we've invited you here to play a game

36:59

we're calling. So what exactly

37:01

is a tuffet anyway? Yeah.

37:05

So you're the first muffin we've met other

37:08

than Little Miss herself. So we

37:10

thought we'd ask you about her world nursery

37:13

rhymes and children's songs. Answer two out

37:15

of these three questions about mother goose and her offshoots.

37:17

If you do, you'll win our prize. One of our listeners, Carl's voice

37:19

and their voicemail. Carl, who is muffin McGraw playing for?

37:22

Muffin is playing for Barbara Quitchel of Elkhart,

37:25

Indiana.

37:26

Okay.

37:28

Here is your first question. The

37:31

nursery rhyme, Goosy Goosy Gander

37:33

is, according to some experts, really

37:35

about what? A, consorting with

37:37

prostitutes. B,

37:39

an incident in the late 18th century British

37:42

Dutch naval war. Or C,

37:44

Goosy Goosy Ganders. I'm

37:47

going to go with C. You're going to go with C.

37:49

It's actually about Goosy Ganders? Yes. No,

37:51

it's actually about consorting with prostitutes. Oh, wow.

37:54

According to some scholars, Goosy

37:56

was a slang term for

37:58

ladies of the evening, if you will.

37:59

All right. So

38:02

you're down a little bit. If you

38:04

were your own player, what would you say? I

38:08

can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can go out there in

38:10

a box out. We

38:15

all know Georgie Porgy putting in pie, kiss the

38:17

girls and made them cry. Okay. According

38:19

to some scholars, that nursery rhyme is

38:21

really full of veiled references to what?

38:24

A, the discovery of the element oxygen.

38:27

B, a gay sex scandal in the court

38:29

of King Charles II.

38:29

Or C, putting

38:32

in pie.

38:34

Could I get

38:36

a hint? No. Do

38:41

your players get a little step ladder to dunk?

38:43

No. You

38:46

get a hint.

38:50

Number two sounds.

38:51

The gay sex scandal in the court of King Charles

38:53

II. You are correct.

38:54

Georgie

38:58

or George with a courtier

39:00

who was appointed a gentleman of the bedchamber to

39:02

the king of rumors flew.

39:04

All right. That's very good. You have one right

39:06

with one to go. So it's coming down to the final minute. The

39:09

French kids song Aloeita, you know, Aloeita,

39:11

Aloeita. That one. Very popular. Kids all around the

39:13

world. It may not be as popular

39:16

if the kids knew what they were really singing about. Are

39:18

they singing about A, a

39:21

gay sex scandal in the court of King Charles II?

39:25

B, how much they love a certain hair product.

39:28

Or C, are they singing about plucking

39:30

birds so they can eat them?

39:33

Wow. Yeah. Well?

39:38

Why are you hinting at her? See? See.

39:44

See. I'm going to go with C. When

39:48

the crowds call out plays, you

39:50

call out a guy? No,

39:55

you're right. It's C.

39:59

Aloe vera is

40:02

a

40:02

love. French Canadians love to eat larks and it's all about

40:05

plucking all the

40:08

little parts so they can eat it. Carl, how

40:11

did Muffet McGraw do in our quiz? Muffet had two

40:13

correct answers, Peter, so she wins for Barbara

40:15

Twitchell. Well done!

40:16

Muffet

40:19

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40:21

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41:49

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41:54

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42:02

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42:04

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42:06

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42:16

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42:44

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42:46

with a piece of monofilament tied to it so we could

42:49

puppet the dung I'm

42:51

sorry. Did you say you could puppet the

42:53

dung? I I

42:55

did indeed all right And then

42:57

as the elephant came wandering along we

43:00

we moved the dung out of the way and there was

43:02

this very surprised little mouse and

43:04

the elephant absolutely stopped in his

43:06

tracks and The best

43:08

way I can describe it is he tiptoed around the mouse

43:11

really wait a minute Wait a minute. Put yourself

43:13

in the elephant's place. I mean it forgive

43:15

me, but if I'm if a mouse emerged from

43:17

your dung

43:18

I

43:24

would

43:24

be I

43:27

was freaked out. I

43:30

think what did I eat? I'm

43:32

not going back to that restaurant again You

43:36

did that you did the famous one I love this about

43:39

whether or not a plane could or could

43:41

not take off if it was on a conveyor belt

43:44

Oh my god. Oh, I thought that and

43:46

and you actually put a plane on a conveyor

43:48

belt We did we did with

43:50

this was you wouldn't believe the amount

43:52

of discussion there is on the internet About

43:55

this question if you have a plane trying to take

43:57

off and it's on a conveyor belt matching its speed

43:59

and reverse first, can it take off?

44:02

What's the answer? Well, hold on. Well, explain

44:05

the problem and then tell us what happened. Well, the

44:07

problem is that the question has

44:09

a trick in it. It leads you to believe,

44:11

just by the phrasing of the question, that

44:15

the plane will not move forward. And

44:17

thus, the question is, can it take

44:19

off if it's not moving forward? But that's actually

44:22

not so true. The fact is,

44:24

no matter how fast the conveyor belt is moving, the

44:26

plane will move forward, because the plane doesn't push along

44:28

the ground. It pushes through the air. And

44:31

the only reason the wheels are there is to keep the

44:33

propeller from hitting the ground. How did you get

44:35

a conveyor belt big enough to hold a plane up or a plane

44:37

small enough to go in a conveyor belt? We

44:39

did both. We actually got an ultra-light plane

44:42

that was in exactly a real plane shape

44:44

that weighed about 500 pounds and a willing

44:46

pilot, and we got a quarter

44:49

mile of power. Drunk, speed, drunk. Yeah,

44:51

go ahead. So disappointed in American

44:54

Airlines. So

44:56

you were saying, so you put this guy in an ultra-light plane?

44:59

We got the ultra-light plane, and we put it on a runway

45:02

on top of a quarter mile long

45:04

piece of tarpaulin that we were

45:06

dragging with a pickup truck in the opposite direction.

45:11

And it actually turned out we had to do it at exactly

45:14

dawn, because at any other time of day, even

45:17

the slightest wind would turn this thing into

45:19

just a big twisting ribbon. So we

45:21

only had one chance to get it right, and we actually

45:23

did it. The truck took off in the opposite

45:25

direction, 25 miles an hour, which is the takeoff speed

45:28

of the plane, and the plane absolutely lifted

45:30

off something the pilot of the plane didn't think

45:32

it would do, in fact. Wow. So

45:35

all the internet discussions have ended? No,

45:38

absolutely not. The

45:40

primary argument that remains on the internet

45:42

is, well, they did it wrong, because the plane took off.

45:48

Adam Savage, we're delighted to have you with us. We have

45:50

invited you here to play a game that today

45:52

we are calling. Without you, George

45:55

Hamilton would never have been able to star

45:57

in Love at First Bite. In

46:00

other words, you're Bram Stoker,

46:02

the mostly mediocre 19th century

46:05

Irish novelist who did happen to write Dracula,

46:08

using Eric Newsom's new popular history

46:11

of vampires, the dead travel fast.

46:13

We're going to ask you three questions about Bram Stoker. Get two

46:15

right. You'll win our prize for one of our listeners. Carl's

46:18

voice and the Home Answering Machine. So Carl, who is

46:20

Adam Savage playing for? Adam is playing for

46:22

Shirey Morgan of Rensselaer, New York.

46:25

Ready

46:30

to play? I'm ready. Alright,

46:32

your first question. The authorship of Dracula

46:35

may not have been the most impressive achievement

46:37

of Bram Stoker's life, because he

46:39

also managed to do what? Did he

46:42

A. star in the first cigarette

46:44

advertisement, B. invent

46:47

the idea of the author's book tour, or

46:50

C. Steele Oscar Wilde's

46:52

girlfriend? I

46:56

couldn't have been hard. I'm

47:00

going to have to go with C. Steele Oscar Wilde's

47:02

girlfriend. You're right,

47:05

sir. He stole Oscar

47:06

Wilde's girlfriend.

47:09

His girlfriend, Ned. Stoker

47:12

became friendly with Oscar Wilde

47:14

while at college,

47:16

and there he met Florence Baltham,

47:18

who was attached to Wilde. Eventually

47:21

Florence got tired of waiting around for Wilde

47:23

to make the first move, so

47:26

she went off with Stoker instead.

47:29

Next question, very good. Next question. Stoker's

47:32

first book was not, to put it mildly, as much

47:34

of a success as his later work. Was

47:37

it A. a romance between a Dublin ferry

47:39

boat captain and a lost mermaid, or

47:42

B. a non-fiction guide to

47:44

the duties and procedures of the lower-level

47:46

Irish bureaucracy, or C. a catalog

47:48

of the different kinds of potatoes grown in

47:50

County Kilkenny? I'm

47:55

going to go with B. You're going to go with B. the

47:57

non-fiction guide to the duties and procedures of the lower-level

47:59

Irish captain.

47:59

bureaucracy

48:01

that page turner

48:02

You're right. You are right

48:04

the book Was

48:07

called

48:10

The duties of clerks of petty

48:12

sessions in Ireland

48:15

it did not inspire any movie adaptations

48:19

Well, this is impressive. Let's see if you can go for perfect on whom

48:23

According to a widely accepted theory

48:26

held by stoker biographers Did

48:28

Bram Stoker model the character

48:30

of Dracula was it a the

48:33

great American poet Walt Whitman?

48:35

B his own

48:37

mother-in-law Or

48:39

see Santa Claus Wow,

48:44

that is an awesome question. Thank you, sir Very

48:47

interesting. I'm gonna go with a I'm gonna go with Walt

48:49

Whitman. You think he grew he based Dracula on

48:52

Walt Whitman. You're right. He

48:54

did although

49:00

According I think the body electric

49:03

Although according to

49:05

the biographers, it wasn't an act of jealousy. It

49:07

was an act of appreciation Stoker was

49:09

a huge fan of Whitman's he corresponded

49:11

with him for years from across the Atlantic You

49:14

see in addition to being a very powerful sexually

49:16

liberated character

49:17

much like Whitman

49:19

Stoker's Dracula is also described in

49:21

the book as looking just like Walt

49:23

Whitman in real life Wow

49:26

something you didn't know I had no idea

49:29

Carl how did Adam Savage do on our quiz

49:31

Adam aced it Peter three correct answers,

49:34

so he wins for Cherie Morgan There

49:36

you go

49:42

We should have known better than

49:44

to go up against the guy with his own lab and a settling

49:46

torches You did

49:49

well You seem to have you seem

49:51

to have a gift for this ferreting

49:53

out truth. Maybe you should make something of it You

49:56

know what? I think you're right. I think I will okay. Well

49:58

you did good here Adam Savage

50:00

Thank you so much for being with us. Adam Savage

50:02

is one of the Discovery Channel's mythbusters. Adam

50:04

Savage, thank you so much. Thanks,

50:06

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