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dog he is actually I'm Ray Ray

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also on Talk About You Enter the

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big brother House was about twenty eight

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twenty etti and it was a special

0:52

here. they did cold. As for year

0:54

of the when a woman. I

0:57

thought you were absolutely brilliant on that. I

1:00

remember watching her with one count. Also,

1:02

honey Yahoo, you obviously know and that's

1:04

kind of how I know you, which

1:06

is really lovely. I was just so

1:08

impressed by you. Are you

1:10

agree on that? I don't care. It's funny

1:13

because my dad's is always had this thing

1:15

that he is hated big brother and his

1:17

always I asked her why do a google

1:19

not sure man I don't know and they

1:22

were when I fast have had an I

1:24

was doing made in Chelsea I waited until

1:26

the day before it was on T V.

1:28

Well I went about one hundred mother and

1:30

my sister like you need to tell mom

1:33

dad that you're doing like you just need

1:35

to give them some warning especially as my

1:37

mom box and hair salon services like gossip

1:39

central. So I remember texting

1:41

them being I just let you know

1:43

I'm doing a tv show and as

1:46

tomorrow and my dad straightaway was like

1:48

oh christ places not big brother. And

1:51

I recite know it's maiden Chelsea in here is

1:53

that Mintel Seawater after they were you on that

1:55

that the they hold true to Jeff on there

1:58

and it kind of cocaine this like family. running

2:00

jokes that they just needed to get Jordie Jeffin

2:02

to sort them all out. And

2:04

so then a few years later, that was 2012, and a few

2:06

years later, 2018, and I got offered celebrity

2:11

big brother and... Is it decent enough money

2:13

to make you think I'd be a bit

2:15

crazy not to be here? Yeah, it allowed

2:17

me to buy my flat in London and

2:19

it took me from my overdraft to buying

2:21

a house on the

2:23

help of my scheme but still. And so

2:26

I remember saying to my parents, I've

2:28

got something to tell you I'm doing big

2:30

brother and my dad was like, oh,

2:33

not this again, man, you're bloody not. And I

2:35

was like, I actually am this time. And I

2:37

remember at the time they just announced that Rachel

2:39

Johnson was doing it because I think she got

2:41

to do an exclusive in the mail and I

2:44

was like, my parents who are, you know, die

2:46

who are hard Tories, I thought, well, that would appeal

2:48

to them. I was like, but dad, it's not the

2:50

normal big brother, it's the year of the women and

2:53

it's going to be a bit more respectable. Like Rachel

2:55

Johnson's doing it and he was like, do you think

2:57

if pretty Rachel Johnson's doing it, I'd make it all right,

2:59

do you want to be like Rachel Johnson? And

3:02

I was like, oh, how am I going to do this? Anyway,

3:04

I invited them to the launch and they refused to come. And

3:06

I remember saying to my dad, but dad, I'm getting paid this

3:08

much money, I'll be able to buy a flat. And

3:10

he was like, and you think that's a good price

3:12

to do to embarrass yourself on telly. And they refused

3:14

to come to the launch. So again, when I did

3:16

that show, I was kind of in

3:18

the back of my mind thinking like, are

3:21

they going to be proud of me? Am

3:23

I doing okay? And it was

3:26

a really scary environment to be in

3:28

because you're suddenly put with all these

3:30

different people and characters.

3:33

And at the heart of it, I still

3:36

just kind of wanted to be seen and

3:38

understood and liked and but then I also

3:40

thought it's such a risk. At that point,

3:42

I'd sort of DJing for friends like Dior

3:44

and, you

3:46

know, I felt like I'd kind of broken

3:49

down barriers of being this reality star. And

3:51

suddenly I was throwing myself back in the

3:53

reality star ring, if you like, But

3:56

it wasn't a May is so it was hard,

3:58

but it was such an amazing opportunity. Oh

4:00

my god I have much coming out

4:03

it is a social experiment on it

4:05

was just the some real experienced come

4:07

out and everybody in know think they

4:09

need so much about my life for

4:12

my experience it is with thought I'd

4:14

gone have loved our and what I

4:16

lived is it was listening to the

4:19

changing of the car and or do

4:21

they call them and it's it's a

4:23

hassle travel within the i was dismayed

4:25

that all anyway. What?

4:28

On earth is I feel like they're accompanying

4:30

your story on he said oh my God

4:32

on the prof Together they were to. My

4:37

band. They follow me around the house of

4:40

my right us so that is what you

4:42

can hear. I think it's rather lovely, which

4:44

is why we're not moving to the delegates

4:46

on how interesting. And. He will also

4:48

in the Celebrity Big Brother house with. And.

4:51

Will become. Politically.

4:53

She could not be more. Opposed.

4:56

To your views. Because you'll

4:58

sit have more to the last

5:00

on it and thousand where she

5:03

found the right to say foster

5:05

the iss But I feel like

5:07

these sources go to an understanding

5:09

with her or what what did

5:11

you come away feeling from her?

5:14

If anything what did you learn

5:16

from? Ah see with someone say.

5:20

She judge me straight away. She kind of

5:22

had be down as they. On

5:25

and on Intelligence. As

5:28

an eye on such didn't like me

5:30

and I remember thinking i bet you

5:32

don't know me and I didn't know

5:34

much as wow have is a politician

5:36

I've heard the name by didn't I

5:38

didn't know anything about her really I

5:40

remember thinking i just want to join

5:43

me I just don't sound like man

5:45

I remember say on I I I

5:47

always feel like I'm. in

5:49

some ways a good judge of people

5:51

in a terrorist or am i got

5:53

real sense from her that she had

5:56

to be hard her whole life on

5:58

so i felt on this one accurate

6:00

that she just needed like someone to show

6:02

her a lot of love and

6:04

so I really tried to do that. I did her

6:06

makeup and I did her hair and

6:09

I'd obviously always call her out on

6:11

if I heard her say anything inappropriate. I think

6:13

you know she used wrong pronouns with India a

6:15

few times and I'd always be like India is

6:18

a she, you've only ever known her as a

6:20

she so I was never afraid

6:22

to stand up to her but I

6:25

just found her this fascinating character that

6:27

I felt. I remember saying oh now

6:30

that you've lived with

6:32

like Wayne sleep and Amanda Barry and

6:34

Courtney Acton you think that you had

6:36

devoted differently on article

6:39

28 and obviously she's always voted against gay

6:41

marriage and I and she was like you

6:43

are assuming Ashley that I voted because I'm

6:46

ignorant. I am not ignorant so

6:48

I was like well then I don't understand how can

6:50

you and Wayne and Amanda and have all got on

6:53

and I was like I just and Anne's

6:55

kind of like in with a lot of like like

6:58

gay men they love her like they I feel

7:01

like you know she's got a lot of industry

7:03

gay friends and so it really I was

7:05

just kind of baffled by the fact that her

7:09

voting is so different

7:11

to her friendship groups maybe. Yeah

7:15

I just found her a very fascinating character

7:17

and what she did teach me and I

7:19

remember her saying to me like you have to

7:21

learn to be less sensitive not everyone has

7:23

to like you and it's okay and that

7:25

was a real good lesson

7:27

for me and I think it's interesting because we

7:29

live in such polarised world

7:32

where it's like well if they're right wing write

7:34

them off and I understand that her

7:37

voting has caused people

7:39

a lot of pain but I also did

7:41

learn a lot from her so

7:44

it's a bit of a weird relationship. I actually

7:46

we still speak and she calls herself my house

7:48

grand but I found the Brexit

7:50

period really difficult because I think that's when she

7:52

went so much further right. I've had a lot

7:55

of pressure on your relationship. I remember I once

7:57

met her for lunch school

7:59

dinner she'd been on TV and I went to go

8:01

meet her and she was wearing her Brexit

8:04

party rosette thing and I

8:06

was like, God, and you have to wear that. Can

8:09

you take it off? We can have a

8:11

meal. And so yeah, it's funny because obviously

8:13

I never would have thought that

8:15

I would like her but

8:17

I think, I don't know, I can't

8:20

explain it. I think I feel like

8:22

she needs love. I don't know how

8:24

to say it and I think a lot

8:26

of her views come from Catholicism as opposed

8:29

to because maybe she believes them. But

8:32

if the Catholic Church thinks so, then

8:34

that's what goes. I don't know. I'm

8:37

not making excuses for her either. I

8:40

feel there's an interesting thing going on with you where

8:42

you're quite, you're very, I

8:45

would say, self-assured

8:47

and I think that's something that's

8:51

a really nice energy to be around. I

8:54

don't know if that's something you've worked at or if

8:56

that's something you've always had. There's a, you

8:59

know, poised, I would say. You're comfortable with

9:01

yourself. I think

9:03

because I spent so long trying to be

9:05

what I thought I had to be or

9:08

trying to please people, whether that was, you

9:10

know, boarding school, home life, made

9:13

in Chelsea, whatever it was, trying not

9:15

to be sexy, trying to be sexy.

9:17

I've always felt like I tried so

9:19

hard to be good at whatever

9:22

it was that I was trying to be good at

9:24

around people, like being the chameleon of like, well, if

9:27

I do this, then they'll like me. And

9:30

I kind of realized, I'm not going

9:32

to say one day, but gradually, like

9:34

people like and

9:36

dislike you anyway. And when you're trying

9:38

to be someone else or being, when

9:40

you try to be who you

9:43

think people want you to be, you end

9:45

up being quite lonely because you don't find your

9:47

people. And to now,

9:49

I'm just kind

9:51

of like, well, this is who I am. And

9:56

I Hope that the heart of it, people say I'm a good

9:58

person, but obviously not everyone's gonna like me, but that's okay. The

10:00

I don't like everyone else that

10:02

by the more I leaned into

10:04

big myself the more I found

10:06

my people on say I guess

10:08

I'm self assured, I'm very confident

10:11

and I'm very capable of holding

10:13

my own and ending by my

10:15

opinion. But I'm also. I.

10:18

Don't think Conroy automatically, so

10:20

I'm always like open to

10:23

hearing other people's perspectives and

10:25

viewpoints, and I think life.

10:28

A devout the if Johnny as a

10:30

Davies outfits describe it as as at

10:33

the heart of the I'd still say

10:35

that I am someone. Of

10:38

of have sorry good self esteem for

10:40

i'm also very constant. other know it's

10:42

save a paradox. On.

10:46

Off. The celebrity big

10:48

brother presumably. That

10:51

get some sort of. He's around

10:53

you some traction. Around you and you're getting offers

10:55

to do more things and since you feel off

10:57

the woods that seventy of is it a bit

10:59

a bit of us have more of a what

11:01

the heat period in terms of. Your.

11:04

Career No actually I feel I always

11:06

the offset because I was so hard

11:08

to do. They still Dj gigs said

11:10

high fashion brands and some the they

11:12

didn't want anymore because they didn't want

11:15

me at their revenge who have a

11:17

resemblance celebrity big brother stall so I

11:19

had this will lol and I changed

11:21

agents and I'm and of member of

11:23

the with my eyes and by when

11:25

they sign me I remember saying like

11:27

while you can have made me money

11:30

and he was site machinists I'm not

11:32

fucking charity I hope had met your.

11:34

Mother and. It

11:37

was. Again, it was like that

11:39

fighting again and preconceived idea of

11:41

me of fighting against reality T

11:43

v stereotype. Actually, I say like

11:46

get much more now just before

11:48

lockdown think there's definitely some false

11:50

and then it was a lot

11:52

on Husband and I came out.

11:55

With. Children An offer of a Cold War for

11:57

done long as I was like. I

12:00

really felt like my career was

12:02

over and I had to fight

12:04

against prefer my size film more

12:06

than just. A mom that

12:08

love it was of the my own

12:10

on us all about when you met

12:12

your partner because he said yourself it's

12:15

that a slightly came out of the.

12:17

Three Really, it was almost out of

12:19

here when you weren't expecting it. And.

12:23

He was it quite whirlwind meeting

12:25

him. Yeah say I've been

12:27

single at that point. six years and I

12:30

decided to go. My friend my friend died

12:32

of cancer and I went on this shit

12:34

South Africa and of funeral castle In a

12:37

life A living in Iowa is my my

12:39

bucket list and when I was outside I

12:41

saw you know all I see like I

12:43

am ready to meet someone now and I'm

12:46

not in a hurry for pan fry. Want

12:48

to meet someone and everyone says you're going

12:50

to make them when when you're not licking

12:53

five so actively not licking as less than

12:55

one fools I would plane. And lines and.

12:58

I just have a really fun

13:00

than fall season with all fun

13:02

and I knew I didn't want

13:04

to meet someone in my industry

13:06

and I just wanted to meet

13:08

someone from outside of the walls

13:10

and which I was living. So

13:12

I went on to dating apps

13:14

and he was side person I

13:16

met by knew him that for

13:19

Madison be days So I met

13:21

him on fast as December twenty

13:23

nineteen and I remember straight away

13:25

I'd like you my boyfriend. And I

13:27

kept the like you want my son by the way and he

13:29

replied. No no and I say okay

13:31

well if you see anyone else is over

13:33

so.pedigrees you my boyfriend fire up to the

13:35

your girlfriends and eventually a month later he

13:37

was like a cave with in golf until

13:40

I think I've spent so long as a

13:42

thing and waiting for them to decide what

13:44

it was or as obvious As far as

13:46

I kind of luck the really have my

13:48

own and I'm just gonna say foundries that

13:50

y one anime thought I do and say

13:53

that what children on a I didn't want

13:55

to genocide as I sat still break the

13:57

maybe we're not right I said we were

13:59

still. Now when Knockdown spent

14:01

ah I remember when knocked on

14:03

and he was at mine ago

14:05

announced five pm or something and

14:08

we had until midnight. And.

14:10

Honest. I haven't gone from even have to

14:12

go home and he was that well I

14:14

think a. My. Own Transit. Maybe

14:17

I'd say and always My and. Military.

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15:50

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15:53

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15:55

love. History is when. i'm

15:57

working on cellphones understand it

16:00

as marriage or why people do it. I'm

16:02

actually reading a book at the moment called

16:04

A Feminist History of Marriage, so I am

16:07

actively trying to get my head around it,

16:10

because I think Tommy would like to

16:12

get married, but... Never.

16:15

Got it. Hello. Why

16:18

should people get married? Love

16:20

commitment, we can have that without marriage. Children

16:22

are my commitment. I don't know. Do we need

16:24

it in this same age? It's

16:28

only traditionally the men who

16:30

talk, so the father does

16:32

a speech about the daughter whilst the

16:35

man gets his best mate. Even wearing

16:37

white dress is virginal. There are so

16:39

many things and I understand that you

16:41

don't have to have a traditional wedding,

16:44

but then why do you

16:46

have one at all? I don't know,

16:48

I'm really trying to get my head around it. But

16:52

I wouldn't want to ban marriage, I don't

16:54

resent it at all. Obviously it makes people

16:56

really happy and I sort of think, I

16:59

wish I hadn't over... Tommy always said, do you ever think everything? I

17:02

was like, well, I just feel like so

17:04

many women, not even that long ago,

17:06

that women were put in mental institutions, set

17:08

the word of their husbands,

17:10

and even the house I currently

17:12

live in, that was a

17:14

house run by nuns, the people who got married out

17:16

of wedlock to go live, and then obviously they'd have

17:19

the baby and the baby would get taken away and

17:21

they'd go back to wherever they were from. So

17:23

I love that I'm an unmarried woman

17:26

living in that house as the owner of that

17:28

house. I'm going

17:30

to come outside in the shower, shame. Yeah,

17:32

exactly. People assume he

17:34

hasn't asked me yet and that's what I find really

17:36

funny. And this is again, why

17:39

is it that even in this day and

17:41

age we have to wait? And if you

17:43

want to get married often, being single in

17:45

my early thirties, the whole idea of like,

17:47

well, do you not want to settle down?

17:49

You don't want to get

17:51

left on the shelf, all of these things that people would

17:53

say, but I was like, even if it was in a twist,

17:56

I don't click my fingers. But also why,

17:59

why do we have to? settle down. Why is

18:01

there this notion that as you get older it's like well

18:04

you should be less sick, it's like surely who

18:06

I go to bed with, who I live in

18:08

a house with and who I potentially have children

18:10

with are three things that we should be quite

18:13

fussy about. And you've

18:15

got two beautiful kids. You've got Ada

18:17

and Alfie. And Ada is named after

18:22

a little bit of Ada Lovelace going on

18:24

in the moment. Yeah, Ada Lovelace. Tommy works

18:27

in tech and I like the idea that

18:29

she was kind of the first tech

18:33

mathematician, I don't think she was the first,

18:35

but she was a tech mathematician. And

18:37

also Lord Byron said,

18:40

oh Ada, sole daughter

18:42

of my house and heart. And I

18:44

love that. And the geeks

18:46

love it too. They're coming

18:48

to hear me more. They

18:51

were diving for Ray. It's all

18:53

right, Ray, Ray. It's

18:55

okay. You've become

18:57

recently, you've started

18:59

popping up a lot on This Morning.

19:02

Yeah. You've always been a

19:04

sort of regular contributor to various shows.

19:06

But I feel that This Morning thing has become

19:09

a bit of a big thing for you,

19:11

hasn't it? Yeah, I seem to be booked

19:14

every week for a while. So yeah, it

19:16

feels like a good place for me actually.

19:19

I'm really happy there. And do

19:21

you like Kat and Ben? Yeah,

19:23

I really do. I've known Ben

19:25

for a long time from Good

19:27

Morning Britain and I've always

19:29

had a lot of time for him. I stepped

19:32

in for Richard Arnold years ago just

19:34

before lockdown actually to do a lot

19:36

of the entertainment presenting.

19:39

But Kat, I didn't know but she's so nice.

19:41

She's so down to earth. She comes in, she

19:43

talks to everyone. She comes into the green room,

19:46

says hi, she goes into the makeup room. She's

19:48

just really, you know,

19:50

you can just tell people are genuinely nice

19:52

and interested. I've met her

19:54

once and it's exactly the same I felt.

19:56

Just very, very good energy. Your

19:59

contributions on that. show on this

20:01

morning have gone kind of viral. Like there's

20:03

been a lot of traction around them. There was

20:05

one of you talking to Giles Brandreth, kind

20:08

of educating him on wokeness. Why

20:10

was it shared so much? I think

20:13

because the term woke does get weaponized

20:15

so much in the mainstream media and

20:17

terms like chest feeding get so blown

20:19

up, proportion like, so Giles just sit

20:22

there. And would you want to just

20:24

explain just because of chest feeding? So

20:26

with chest feeding, he basically said that

20:28

in London hospitals you're not even allowed

20:31

to say breastfeeding anymore. You have

20:33

to say chest feeding. And

20:35

I suppose what he didn't realize was

20:37

he was next to a woman who

20:39

is still breastfeeding and

20:41

who gave birth in a London hospital.

20:44

So, and the reason for this is

20:46

for trans. Yeah, if you're dealing with

20:48

trans people, and actually I've learned it's

20:50

not even just trans people. There might

20:52

be some women who don't like the

20:54

term breastfeeding for whatever reason or have

20:57

tissue, sexual assault, whatever it might be, people

20:59

who don't feel comfortable. And so what the

21:02

right wing media say is you're not allowed to

21:04

use the word breastfeeding anymore, the world's gone mad.

21:06

But what it actually is is if the word

21:08

breastfeeding isn't appropriate, use the term chest feeding, which

21:10

is actually just a decent thing to do and

21:12

it's training so that you don't unintentionally

21:14

offend someone or upset someone.

21:18

And obviously the main target

21:20

of that term would be a trans man. Right.

21:24

And it's harmless. I

21:26

get why people fear wokeness because they're

21:28

constantly being told that that is the reason that

21:31

the world's gone too far. They want the

21:33

right wing media, the establishment, whatever it is, they

21:35

want you to believe that it's

21:37

all going too far, equality in

21:40

whatever sense of the word, whether

21:42

it's like racial, like sexual, gender,

21:46

people. If we get too much of

21:48

it, the world will go mad. Sometimes

21:50

when people say, talk about wokeness,

21:53

it's a bit like recycling. I really miss

21:55

the days When we didn't

21:58

have to bother with the recycling. You

22:00

can just shut everything in a been. I'm.

22:02

Not take any responsibility for what was

22:05

in that somebody miss that bet. Made

22:07

my life a lot less hassle. And

22:10

I saw think far. As for

22:12

the greater good is benefiting more People are

22:14

almost and we will have to get a

22:16

head round not ways. Actually, it's no different

22:18

to recycling, it's just saying you just have

22:20

to is a tiny bit better. Applaud on

22:22

your call. Saul. Is in the way

22:24

you're thinking. And it's not when people say

22:26

you can't even tell jokes anymore that site

22:29

that maybe. People didn't want to

22:31

be the boss of the jokes that is. Because

22:33

the people saying it was not the best

22:36

of the jokes age kind of didn't realize.

22:38

So yeah, it's fun isn't it? that? Even

22:41

times nice. eight site will. Ultimately,

22:44

you all the people. Are getting offended

22:46

by was and all weaknesses. Choice do is

22:48

make the world a little bit more inclusive

22:50

for everyone so you obviously have a real

22:52

guest for. Public. Speaking

22:54

as well. Yeah, actually

22:57

I feel like I've always loved

22:59

fucking. I was hard on myself.

23:01

I would have thought to be

23:03

more affectionate. Thought night. I'll enjoy

23:05

it. and I actually really enjoy.

23:08

Looking at social injustice and also looking

23:10

at the political landscape contracts. It was

23:12

a real wake up call for me

23:14

as such as someone that had a

23:17

function that and Rasmus program and lips

23:19

boards and as a go down at

23:21

home after your policy. Has

23:24

might might add in, I actually didn't

23:26

speak said months after. He

23:29

didn't see me again when I first

23:31

read rise of my Facebook profile picture

23:33

head of the General. Opinion

23:38

Smith us people say that sucks to

23:40

the point that I say i now

23:42

I actually have a rule where politics

23:44

is off the table and Tommy rung

23:47

my parents up saying if he won

23:49

see to be around because it is

23:51

is is boring like I'll be ring

23:53

in and tell him about with pregnancy

23:56

scanned and they stop moaning about. Strikes.

24:01

Sorry not you have it was a. He

24:03

take your information from the dating.

24:07

Sites or even outfit like the chest

24:09

beating thing. It's like a state. know

24:11

how they get away with being able

24:13

to handle such lies thought yeah politics

24:15

is now family or the table at

24:17

home with his i think. I'm

24:20

never gonna change her mind Slight I say Like

24:22

the Tories is. Managed

24:25

to destroy pretty much

24:27

everything in society and

24:29

even my. Brother.

24:31

In North Father he was a Tory

24:33

mp would not vote conservative anymore. So

24:36

it's like even oh Tory mp, his

24:38

older sister hot who are anymore and

24:40

yet my parents. they're on a on

24:42

a burning hail with the Union Jack.

24:46

Say I know it's it's It's really

24:48

hard as know when your colors. Bound.

24:51

By blogs and have opposing.

24:54

Views are. Thought we were

24:56

saying earlier the so I would consider him. As

24:59

probably. Not the unhelpful

25:02

exercise. For. You

25:04

know to learn to tolerance isn't it

25:06

on both parts and away yet? We

25:08

should probably start having yeah own. It's

25:10

all scuse well because on this morning.

25:13

He. Was he had. See.

25:15

sit of in our discussions Zola prom

25:17

dress. Other the been a

25:19

few other ones as well haven't said

25:21

it was one with with the doors

25:23

were in yeah what was this discussion

25:25

about Services say next Now decided to

25:28

target people with mental health issues and

25:30

getting back to work as a pace.

25:32

Say acknowledging that the current climate in

25:34

which people are living at a cost

25:36

of living crisis and the fact that

25:38

assesses the Uk according living in poverty

25:40

might have something said people's mental health

25:42

and maybe we should clear help clear

25:44

that it just wait times people who

25:47

gets put they needed. As said, he's

25:49

decided to. Get. The what's

25:51

walk up with the that's what they need.

25:53

hard work so yeah see. We

25:56

came to blows about that. Not very

25:58

that are I never tried. The

26:00

argument says another say. She.

26:03

Has experience of an unpaid I really had

26:05

to bite my tongue for gays she ever

26:08

say got paid not work for a whole

26:10

year she didn't turn out and didn't represent

26:12

her constituents so I really haven't said to

26:15

be like you'd know about signet culture wouldn't

26:17

ever seen the i thought nah I'm not

26:19

gonna say I'm not going to buy it

26:21

because I always think especially when your that

26:24

more or less to boy she couldn't. Sometimes

26:27

come across as a bit. Rude

26:31

and aggressive. Here

26:33

we go. So we're crossing

26:36

over home from St. James's

26:38

Park ensues. Fucking. Scream

26:40

halt let someone you care which

26:42

has stood outside icing on the

26:44

highway traffic on this stopping. Traffic.

26:49

Passing away, flaming.

26:56

Know it was an hour then. Which

27:02

is why are you saying that

27:04

like an elderly lady? This is

27:06

the first formal this phone call

27:08

that we've ever had with ever

27:10

witnessed Psyllium Hey, I'm probably the

27:12

closest was. A. Some several elevator and.

27:15

Hensley Prince and Princess Michael of

27:17

Kent movie season because I it

27:19

is there and fast car they

27:21

sold in it's like this. Same

27:25

this, not. As lucky

27:27

as with the pace that tells he

27:29

he saw a lot of his with

27:31

an ironic isn't it. Is

27:34

tells you I am just as are

27:36

of the air, what they're looking for,

27:38

what they're doing, or the police helicopters

27:40

this earth and I get this is

27:43

he'd never overly invested in new looks

27:45

really and you would have been forgiven

27:47

for having done so. I

27:50

think I've always been hyper

27:53

aware that it makes. Things

27:56

in his. Side

27:59

Anything. I don't think it's

28:01

ever necessarily favoured me in

28:03

my dating life because

28:06

it's very much the wrong attention.

28:09

Yeah, I don't know. I just... I

28:13

suppose I've just wanted to be seen for

28:16

my soul or my intelligence

28:18

as opposed to the

28:21

way in which I look. And I always

28:23

find it funny when how sometimes, you know,

28:25

it's much, much older women

28:27

who say, you know, you miss catcalling when

28:29

it's gone. And I think that

28:32

my life purpose isn't on

28:35

men finding new approaches. And

28:38

even this idea of your attention seeking, you

28:40

know, having boobs or whatever, it's like, but

28:42

I promise you, if there is an online

28:44

filter where I could filter out all straight

28:46

men, I would. I

28:49

don't really want that sort of attention.

28:51

I don't open up Instagram and think,

28:53

oh, I hope I've got some flames.

28:55

I hope I've been sent some genitals

28:57

today. You know, I find it just

29:00

quite base and

29:02

vulgar. Do you like being

29:04

an influencer? I

29:06

think it's funny why, doesn't it? Because I don't

29:10

think anyone's like... I

29:13

feel like it's quite a reductive

29:15

term, but I like being able to

29:18

have a voice and share that voice. And I feel

29:20

like it gave me a voice where

29:22

the tabloids were sort of taking away my

29:24

voice or making out like I was someone

29:26

very different. And I think

29:28

a lot of good can come from social media

29:30

for all the criticism

29:32

it gets, you know, like I feel

29:35

like it pushes diet culture and beauty

29:37

standards. And I've certainly learnt

29:40

about much more social injustice through

29:43

following different influences,

29:45

whether that's, you know, people of

29:47

different races or trans people or

29:50

even women of different shapes and sizes

29:52

and remembering that like

29:54

beauty and confidence and image

29:57

depends on you being the smallest version of yourself.

30:00

People forget. That.

30:02

When they talk about. Things

30:04

like. You know

30:07

when they sail? The

30:09

problem with Instagram and social media and

30:11

this no doubt you know I understand

30:13

that there is a conversation to be

30:15

hard around body image in this sort

30:17

of negative aspects. Of it. I.

30:20

See what? We also have to remember

30:22

Bolland to outweigh his off. Booed.

30:25

Him out when all is growing up. There

30:27

was only one for the image we're on.

30:29

that was three magazines we only saw models.

30:31

End of story, we didn't see anyone. Who.

30:34

Molson. And

30:36

models have been face shop is now

30:38

and we didn't know they were so

30:40

so so. Yeah no one told us

30:42

we will. We'll go to Imagine having

30:44

no raises his and on your legs

30:46

and no marks inside a lot. But

30:49

I I know one thing I really

30:52

hate his mom threw in a six

30:54

hundred light rail derogatory term for anyone

30:56

who is imminent scam. but you know

30:58

what I was I think like why

31:01

are people so against it Because actually.

31:04

I talked to think about it

31:06

a law and was i really

31:08

don't like the time it's I

31:10

it allows so many women he

31:12

will con as navigating class half

31:15

social landscape where they call for

31:17

to go back to walk all

31:19

the whole world feels about mom

31:21

had no so it's really hard

31:23

and you can have sold this

31:25

rose tinted image and I think

31:27

oh it's allowing them to make

31:29

money and be with their kids

31:32

and Henry have financial freedom from

31:34

partner. Isn't good for them but I

31:36

stay and I do. said my kids

31:38

on line and I understand you know

31:40

some people doing some people don't and

31:42

I think is to their own. I

31:44

don't see how it's much different. Me

31:46

saying if it to my kids on

31:48

line to the world's sake of it

31:50

was that kids on you know whether

31:52

it's a path picture and it's com

31:54

picture it's online as net seducing he

31:56

would get another dog not yeah I

31:58

think. I think I've got no.

32:01

Food no fucking of their kids. the

32:04

in the fit tried to. I'd always

32:06

got dog. I think it be selfish

32:08

to get one now. Dogs deserve better

32:10

than that and will I could gave

32:12

the moment shooting someone like say though

32:14

his as a better on of a

32:16

photograph of me and rise as what

32:19

worries me. I

32:21

think you can always very love.

32:25

For my sister another

32:27

have not written results

32:29

away say. Can save one

32:31

a bit. Media nieces for the on

32:33

whether. Some advice. See

32:36

what Navy. Know,

32:39

you know, You know I

32:41

actually feel like I'm almost

32:43

see hyper in this and.

32:48

We always been like not for they

32:50

say it's true measure success I feel

32:52

I always very lot I'm independent film

32:55

boss you know everything they say and

32:57

then I think I'm some psychologists as

32:59

light years actually trauma from not having

33:01

your meat needs met. As a top

33:03

of which make a friend from everything

33:05

that we talk about but figure out

33:07

a deal. Services. Yeah yeah. I

33:10

know so I think because I

33:12

like came out of really awful

33:14

relationship in my mid to late

33:16

twenties. an icon of bow the

33:18

I wouldn't let myself get ready.

33:21

Dependent. Especially financially. I'm a

33:23

mom again. I think I still

33:25

have an amazing relationship and I

33:27

am affectionate. but yeah, I wouldn't

33:30

say needy. Yeah

33:32

but it some. I'm

33:34

I feel very happy living my own

33:37

life. I didn't want it

33:39

to file. Is being comfortable

33:41

with each other solitude here? You

33:43

gotta respect that as well. No

33:45

back saying that. That whole was

33:47

of have to be about yeah

33:49

a photo lab, friends and hobbies

33:52

outside of your relationship is. A

33:55

bonus on this. Woman

33:58

some sort. Like

34:00

nord a moment I know where reporter.

34:03

Fall apart. And

34:06

I like every why this is actually

34:08

James. I'm. Feeling

34:10

a man who to either thanks to buy

34:12

a real the United Center right? cause I'm

34:14

a born at We Love You. Run

34:19

into Amazon it said Ashley James.

34:21

Is fabulous. Time.

34:24

He was a great moment. I'm loving your

34:26

eyes. I loved her. Philo will upset with

34:28

all these small thank you for we should

34:30

buy relationships Yeah I don't like the idea

34:32

that people just turn up. Also see what

34:34

they can't have a life without that partners

34:37

and what I probably would sing some really

34:39

weird because you know how people say i

34:41

love you forever or love is Evo happy

34:43

ever after and I was over at it

34:45

and Sigma. I don't think that's love because

34:47

it took a lot that my views on

34:50

marriage and is a how can you like.

34:52

Thirteen years ago I was a golf. How

34:54

could I possibly say and thirteen years

34:57

I that we will still make each

34:59

other happy and I think and has

35:01

any love. Definitely prison sentence like Tommy's

35:03

we didn't see like health and fitness

35:05

and on really into drinking and bars

35:07

and that might be amazed at what

35:09

has that it might be at one

35:11

point he's like oh what am I

35:13

doing with this site. And

35:16

or alcoholics? that you mean we just live very

35:19

different lifestyles and I said you might meet someone

35:21

who makes so much happier and if you love

35:23

someone you let them go. If I choose he

35:25

everyday and on with you because you make me

35:27

happy. As you

35:30

really want, my husband is in line

35:32

at you for he Monday so on.

35:34

I might be someone in his life

35:36

that makes it a man. I'm very

35:38

much okay with that will. It's about

35:40

saying that I continue to. Exist as

35:42

a human being, I'll

35:45

always have more relations. It. Was

35:48

lose all. it's essence, what

35:51

is un. on

35:53

the stove who presumably we popping

35:55

up resolutely on this morning he

35:57

at every week so we I

36:00

just discovered that Emma Barnet is a fan. I

36:02

know, what a moment for me. That was

36:04

quite a moment. What did I get? Hi, Ray. I

36:07

mean, come on. But I like that. She

36:09

gets it. Nice

36:12

girl, girl. That's what you want. More of those, especially in

36:14

this world. Do you know what I love about you? Is

36:17

that you're very honest about how long those

36:19

Instagram posts take you to put up. And

36:22

I used to look at your Instagram and think,

36:24

oh my God, these are amazing. This is like

36:26

some Scorsese film. The colours are perfect. There's not

36:28

hair out of place. And you want

36:30

to say, oh, it takes about a week to be

36:33

one of those. That made me feel the honesty I like.

36:35

Yeah. Do they take a long time, though? So

36:37

long. Such a

36:40

big process. It's basically like you're

36:42

shooting TV adverts, but without the crew.

36:47

It's crazy, but I enjoy it as well.

36:49

Like I enjoy, especially in lockdown, becoming a

36:51

mum, like there wasn't any people. So

36:54

that's what I like being online because I

36:56

also get to meet really great people. And

36:59

I like being online. Annie Lennox commented on

37:01

one of my pictures of my videos. That

37:04

woke. I keep

37:06

fighting the good fight. I love this and I respect. This

37:08

is my little media because Annie Lennox now

37:11

knows who I am. So yeah,

37:13

I enjoy connecting with people.

37:16

It's a great way for an introvert to

37:18

connect. Are you an introvert? Extroverted

37:21

introvert, yeah. I recharge in my

37:23

own. I think

37:25

you're quite an introvert. Yeah. That's

37:28

my diagnosis. An introvert

37:30

with an extroverted need for attention.

37:34

Same time next week, every half hour of each

37:36

session. Yeah. I feel like I'm

37:39

going to have to pay you at the end of this. Actually,

37:41

I've really enjoyed our walk. Me too. Have

37:43

you enjoyed it? Yeah, I've loved it. Have

37:45

you? I really liked it. And I

37:47

think you've been so sweet, Liv Ray. I think

37:49

he really likes you. Aww. Any

37:52

time that you want me to hang out with Ray,

37:54

or you, then I'm always here. Did you like

37:56

the little or you? A little bit reluctantly

37:58

added at the end. I would

38:02

describe your you as not

38:04

very convincing. No, you know that

38:06

I love you. Bye

38:08

bye Ashley. I bet you're

38:11

going to sleep well tonight. Are you

38:13

talking to me or what? Hopefully

38:15

I get to. I know I'm

38:17

old Ashley but I'm old. I

38:20

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