Phil Harris is a well known narrative designer for video games and multimedia projects, having worked on IP (that he can talk about!) including Dark Orbit, Peaky Blinders, Distant Star and Gateway, as well as lecturing on story telling. In this episode Phil and I talk about the state of the games industry under the pandemic, whether Google Stadia is the future of video games, can VR emerge as a new medium for narrative story telling, and that5G conspiracy theory.