Dave and Deb continue their conversation about renovations. 

HGTV began broadcasting the year our oldest child was born, and I (Deb) confess, I've been a sucker for it ever since. Chances are, though, you are too. We talk a bit about our favorite shows, our own recent renovation experiences, and "flip culture" and how even fixing up houses has become an insta-fix. What happened to process? Is there a place for and value in process anymore? Listen in.