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what is our main story? Well, our main

2:51

story today is about the watcher

2:53

house. In twenty

2:55

fourteen, a family bought their dream

2:57

home but was tormented by anonymous

3:00

threatening letters from a so called

3:03

watcher. shit. It was a nightmare that

3:05

kept getting

3:05

stranger and stranger.

3:07

Let's get that into it.

3:20

Family Walkers in Houma, New Jersey,

3:22

never moving in after getting fighting letters from

3:24

someone calling themselves, the watchers from

3:26

day one, no, them

3:27

trying to solve this place. The

3:28

letters describing anger

3:30

about renovations to the home and

3:32

detailing movements of the family and

3:34

their kids. You are despised by the

3:36

house.

3:37

and the watcher won.

3:39

So this story is I read

3:42

this first in an article in the Cut

3:44

by my name Reeves Weidman.

3:46

And it's it's an amazing story. It's

3:49

really scary. It's crazy. It's like

3:51

my worst nightmare. Mine too, other than

3:53

being on a cruise ship with coronavirus. Yes.

3:55

which

3:55

turned out to not be false alarm everyone.

3:58

But maybe they're just saying it was a false alarm.

4:00

Yeah. Who knows who appease us? Yep. Wait.

4:02

You know what else? Is my worst nightmare? Sorry.

4:05

carpet, the smell in this room. Oh,

4:07

you're gonna see Maria chewing in my ear. No.

4:09

No. No. No. No. No. No smell in this room right now. Okay.

4:11

I just want it Amanda, if you're listening. Hi,

4:13

Amanda. You're salad that you had from

4:15

your Equinox gym. It was a

4:17

very healthy salad. It's

4:19

permeated the office to where

4:22

people come in and they they think it's

4:24

they're confused at the smell. It's a

4:26

smell I've never smelled before. I

4:28

I can't describe it. I walked in

4:31

and I said my words were

4:33

who farted. And

4:35

so I keep saying it's a salad,

4:37

but those words don't, you know They

4:39

don't resonate. No. It's not This is because it doesn't

4:42

smell like a salad. So maybe from

4:44

now on, there'll be no salads can

4:46

only be eaten with no dressing

4:48

maybe. I don't think it's dressed thing. It smells like,

4:50

you know when something's really healthy?

4:52

It smells like it smells like

4:54

something fermented. Like, it smells like

4:56

maybe there was a cabbage. of,

4:58

like, a magic cabbage or, like, a yep.

5:00

You know, like, a kimchi. kimchi.

5:02

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This smells like a

5:04

kimchi fridge in here. That's what it

5:06

smells like. Yeah. Cool. And

5:08

that's you know, the thing is

5:11

it's Amanda being healthy for

5:13

herself, which is great. Beautiful. Great. We're

5:15

all for that. But some

5:17

of us had to be we shouldn't be

5:20

we shouldn't deal with the consequences of the smell.

5:22

And then Maria lit a

5:24

k this case I had no idea. I lit that to

5:26

get the smell of what I needed to do.

5:28

power of two smells. But then

5:30

I put on some forty days and

5:33

a ton. And that smells great. The smells great. Yeah.

5:35

Ali didn't even wanna smell it. She's done. Too

5:37

many smells. I've noticed

5:39

that you're very smell conscious. I am

5:41

sensitive to smell. Yeah. It makes me a

5:43

little nauseate. Yep. I mean, how about yourself?

5:45

I don't know what to do. It gets nauseated

5:47

and he's curbed because it's

5:49

hyperbed twice.

5:51

You're pretending

5:52

I kind of went

5:55

overboard on how many treats I've been eating.

5:57

I had a Lara bar and then immediately

5:59

went for some nuts There's still a box of

6:01

C's candy that's been in this room. You too were

6:03

shy about that. funny, though. As

6:05

soon as you walked in, those little sticky

6:07

fingers got in there. Alright.

6:10

Well, anyways, Banyu is back to

6:12

other business Banyu's horse.

6:14

Okay. So in June twenty fourteen,

6:17

Derek and Maria Broadis bothered

6:19

Dream Home at 657

6:21

Boulevard in Westfield, New Jersey

6:23

-- Mhmm. -- for one point three

6:25

million dollars. Damn. What a steal.

6:28

Maria had grown up on the same street as

6:30

the house, plus the six bedrooms

6:32

would be perfect for their three kids. So

6:34

while they're doing renovations, Derek

6:36

checked the mail and he found a plain

6:39

white envelope with strange clunky

6:41

handwriting that was addressed to the new

6:43

owner. and the letter was

6:45

typed. And it said, Dearest

6:47

new neighbor at six fifty seven Boulevard.

6:50

Allow me to welcome you to the neighborhood. Oh,

6:52

that's nice. Yeah. How did you end

6:54

up here? Another nice question. Sure.

6:56

Did six fifty seven Boulevard call to you

6:58

with its force within? It's starting

7:00

to get weird. 657 Boulevard has

7:02

been the subject of my family for

7:04

decades now, and as it approaches

7:06

it's a hundred and tenth birthday, I've

7:09

been put in charge of watching and waiting

7:11

for it second coming. Uh-oh.

7:13

My grandfather watched the house in the nineteen

7:15

twenties and my father watched in the nineteen

7:17

sixties. Mhmm. It is now my time.

7:19

Do you know what lies within the walls of 657

7:22

Boulevard? Uh-oh. Do you need to fill the

7:24

house with the young blood I requested?

7:26

Oh, better for me. Was

7:28

your old house too small for the growing

7:30

family? Or was it greed to bring

7:32

me your children? Yes. Once I

7:34

know their names, I will call to them and

7:36

draw them to me. Oh, god. Who am I?

7:38

There are hundreds and hundreds of cars that

7:40

drive by six fifty seven Boulevard each

7:42

day. Maybe I am in one. Look at all the

7:44

windows you can see from five seven Boulevard.

7:47

Maybe I am in one. Look out any

7:49

of the windows in 657 Boulevard.

7:51

And all the people who stroll by each day. Oh

7:53

god. Maybe I am one. Welcome,

7:55

my friends. Welcome. Let the party

7:57

begin. Signed the

7:59

watcher. I have

7:59

chills everywhere. So

8:01

Derek called the police, and the cop

8:03

was like, I don't know what to do. And the cop said, well, do you

8:05

have any enemies? But Derek couldn't think

8:07

of any enemies. So he

8:09

emailed the previous owners that

8:11

he bought the house from the woods, and

8:13

they said they had received a

8:15

letter from the watcher a few days before

8:17

they moved out. they said it

8:19

sounded similar to the one that Derek just

8:21

got, but they thrown it away because they

8:23

were like, I don't know, we don't know what this means. They didn't

8:25

even think about it. So Maria, Derek's

8:28

wife, took

8:28

the letter to the police department

8:30

and they said to not tell any neighbors

8:32

about it because the neighbors were all

8:34

suspects now. Shit. Yeah.

8:37

Before I go on to the next section, I

8:39

just looked up the number 657

8:41

of the meeting on the No. Would you like

8:43

to hear the Instagram? No.

8:45

Just 657 the angel

8:47

number, what the meaning behind the number is.

8:49

Numerology. We love numerology and we

8:50

love crawlers. Number 657

8:52

is a combination of the energies and vibrations

8:55

of the number six,

8:57

five.

9:00

That's so insightful.

9:03

not Number

9:08

six relates to possessions.

9:10

The

9:10

material and monetary

9:13

aspects

9:13

love of home and family, care and

9:16

nurturing, grace and gratitude, Number

9:18

five encourages us to be true to ourselves

9:20

and live our lives accordingly.

9:22

Number seven vibrates with the

9:24

mystical influences of

9:26

spiritual awakening, empathy,

9:29

and psychic abilities. Oh,

9:31

shit. I'm a five. Angel

9:35

number 657 indicates that

9:37

the changes you have made and your commitment

9:39

to adding more spirituality into your

9:41

daily life have repelled you along

9:43

your divine life path

9:45

and helped you with your sole purpose. I

9:47

thought it would be a little darker. Okay.

9:49

New spiritual and psychic experiences

9:51

are changing your perspective about

9:53

yourself, those around you in the world as

9:55

a whole. Your inner guide and angels

9:57

will lead you to path where you can best serve your

9:59

soul mission. Okay. Maybe.

10:01

I don't know. Maybe. Okay. So a

10:03

week later, their contractor arrived

10:06

one more to find that a heavy

10:08

sign he'd hammered into the front

10:10

yard had been ripped out

10:12

overnight.

10:13

Uh-oh. Two weeks after the first

10:16

letter arrived, Maria stopped by the house

10:18

to look at paint samples and check the

10:20

mail. There was another envelope

10:22

with the same writing on it, so she called

10:24

the police. This letter was

10:26

addressed to mister and missus Brattice,

10:28

but spelled incorrectly. The

10:30

letter

10:30

said, welcome again to your

10:32

new home at 657

10:34

Boulevard. Nice. The workers have

10:36

been busy, and I have been watching

10:38

you unload carfuls of your

10:40

personal belongings.

10:41

Okay. The dumpster is a

10:44

nice touch. Have they found what

10:46

is in the walls yet? In

10:47

time they will. I am

10:49

pleased to know your names now and the

10:51

names of the young blood you

10:53

have brought to me. You certainly

10:56

say their names often. Oh,

10:58

can I just say this really quickly?

11:00

I would be so pumped.

11:02

if I was encountering this in the

11:04

new house. I was because you would be pumped.

11:07

It's not

11:07

a ghost. It's a watcher.

11:09

Yeah. That's fine or whatever, but it's not

11:12

like This

11:13

watcher may be scary, but he's also

11:15

just, like, trying to have a good time. Because

11:17

he's trying to, like, he's a riddlemer.

11:20

Oh, he's like the in a

11:22

lord of the rings, the the gollum. Yeah.

11:24

He's like a goll he's like a suburban gollum.

11:27

If someone Oh, that's good. But it's a bourbon

11:29

gollum. It's kind of a cool Yeah. No.

11:31

Believe me. I know. But you're saying that if you were

11:33

getting riddles on your doorstep and they're not

11:35

threatening you, they're just going like, see what's

11:37

in the walls. But and then he may

11:39

threaten later, but I'm just saying at this point, I would be

11:41

like, this is dope. Like, I like this

11:43

neighborhood. Like, I was like, this

11:45

place is fun. Yeah. I'd say

11:47

this is a lot of fun.

11:49

Okay. Like, what's in the walls? I would

11:51

take a sledgehammer in the walls so

11:53

quickly. so in the eye. would think they're dead bodies

11:55

in the walls of the ceiling. I would

11:57

also like pressure. so

11:59

hard at the way they were speaking. Like,

12:01

you sure speak of them off and, like,

12:03

what are you I like, I don't say

12:05

anyone's name a lot ever. Do you know I

12:07

don't know if I could take this seriously.

12:09

Yeah. I don't know. Well, let me tell you,

12:11

I'd be scared as fucking hell.

12:13

Also, if someone was calling my children

12:15

young blood -- Yeah. -- or are they

12:17

that's gonna lie? young blood.

12:19

Oh, it's a fact, I guess. I

12:21

know I like the watch. The watch is kinda

12:23

cool. Oh, god. I didn't even word.

12:25

Mario, is that wrong? No. No. cute,

12:28

Maria. The watcher.

12:30

They broke. When I was

12:32

the watcher. Oh. When I was reading

12:34

these, I was getting the voice of

12:36

the watcher in my head from the big ones.

12:38

You mean the clowner? The clowner. The

12:40

witch I was going to the witch though.

12:43

That's like the clowner. I was reading

12:45

it in lounters. Welcome

12:47

again to your new home. That's 6057

12:50

blah blah blah. Great question before you continue.

12:53

What were they written in? Like, they

12:55

were typed? but the envelopes were

12:57

handwritten in, like, weird Like,

12:59

I can't hear a very nice touch. Nice

13:01

touch. Right. Marietta,

13:03

okay. Are you? you the watch?

13:05

Watch your watch. The watch

13:07

your lights what he's hearing. Oh,

13:13

you know oh, wow. Why does it feel

13:15

sexual? Yeah. Yeah.

13:17

That's crazy. The

13:20

watcher likes to watch. The letter

13:23

mentioned their children's birth order

13:26

and nicknames and asked about

13:28

one child in particular who the

13:30

watch had seen using an easel

13:32

inside an enclosed porch. Is

13:35

she the artist in the

13:37

family?

13:37

The watcher

13:38

said She

13:40

is. What's the Yeah. That's what's

13:43

wrong. Side note,

13:45

the eagle and the porch was hidden

13:47

from the street by trees.

13:49

make it get difficult to see unless someone was

13:51

behind the house or right next to the door.

13:53

Yeah. So someone had to be -- Yeah.

13:55

-- very close. The watchers getting up

13:57

in there. Mhmm. Why this

13:59

is

13:59

twenty fourteen? Twenty. Yes.

14:01

Yeah. What's the pro why

14:04

didn't they Great. Go away. I'm

14:06

just I'm sorry. But, like, the

14:08

moment the watcher leaves a note on my

14:10

doorstep. I'm laughing. I'm like, this is

14:12

crazy. There's security cameras

14:14

up immediately. And you know

14:16

what? Yeah. I just spent a million dollars on

14:18

this house. I've got the money. Well, that's

14:20

what they do. That's They did it a little

14:22

too late. Yeah. Okay. because

14:24

my friend has who lives

14:26

near me, my neighbor -- Uh-huh. -- got one of

14:28

those nest cam. Oh, fuck those nest

14:30

cam. Okay. I'm not joking almost

14:32

every day and he puts him on his Instagram

14:34

stories. There is someone trying to break into his

14:36

house. Oh, boy, at a different person.

14:39

almost every single day, someone opening

14:41

the door, closing it,

14:43

someone taking his mail. And he's like my

14:45

neighbor and I live in Los feel suburban

14:47

area that you live in an apartment building or

14:49

a house. It's it's not it's like a little

14:52

bungalow cottage. Right. So a stand

14:54

alone. fortunately, I live in

14:56

apartment building on, like, the second floor and it's

14:58

gated and, like, no one could get in. But

15:00

I those every ring video I see is here,

15:02

like, that one with a knife. Yeah. lady with a

15:04

knife. It's so scary. And he he installed,

15:06

like, a lock lock on his door, like, a little

15:08

locks that you can't get in, but it's people just,

15:10

like, opening the door almost

15:12

staring in, like, looking,

15:14

like, during the day at

15:16

night. Oh, hell no. Okay.

15:18

How scary is that when I lived

15:20

at home with my parents? in the PALSAGE, which

15:22

was nice a week ago. Yeah. It was.

15:24

Which is a nice neighborhood, and we never

15:26

had any problems or whatever. What if

15:28

that was the your story. When I was

15:30

like a real neighborhood, I was never. I can't

15:32

relate. I can't relate. But

15:35

there was one night when, like, everyone, my

15:37

family was out, And I

15:39

was playing angry birds on my phone in my

15:41

room. I don't know. And

15:43

I don't have a very good

15:45

reactionary like like, I'm good

15:47

in, like, a situation

15:49

where it's like, we gotta go. But like in a

15:51

situation where it's like, I don't have to get

15:53

up. I'm I'm not going to. So,

15:55

like, I hear someone trying to get in through

15:57

the back door, and in my room's right

15:59

above the back door, like, on the second

16:01

floor. And I hear this and I'm

16:03

playing angry birds and I'm like, Who

16:06

is it now? So, like, text my brother is, like,

16:09

Anthony, is is any are you trying to

16:11

get in? or and he's like, no. Like, right

16:13

away, and I'm like,

16:13

is it one

16:15

of your friends in the United Nations?

16:17

I did not care. And,

16:19

like, after a moment, like, they

16:22

they stopped and, like, I kinda looked out. And then I

16:24

just went back to playing my game. Oh my god, Maria.

16:26

You're crazy. You're seeing

16:27

those of steel. I'm the watcher. You didn't

16:30

see anyone. No. I didn't see

16:32

anyone. I don't see the watcher.

16:34

Okay. Well, The

16:36

letter also said, it continues.

16:39

Will

16:39

you let the kids go in the basement?

16:42

When they're down there, you won't be

16:44

able to hear them. scream. Oh,

16:46

like in like in space, nobody hears

16:48

you scream. You have

16:49

the bed -- Right. -- storage space.

16:52

Nobody can hear you scream. Yes.

16:54

who has the bedrooms facing the

16:56

street? I'll

16:57

know as soon as you move in.

16:59

It will help me to know who is

17:01

in which bedroom then

17:03

I can plan better. I pass

17:05

by many times a day.

17:07

657 Boulevard is my

17:09

job, my life, my obsession.

17:12

and now you are too. greed

17:14

is what brought the past three

17:16

families to

17:16

657 Boulevard and now

17:19

it has brought you to me.

17:21

have

17:21

a happy moving in day, you know

17:23

I will be watching.

17:25

Derek and Maria stopped bringing the kids

17:27

to the house, and then they

17:29

both stopped going over there. They got

17:31

another letter that said, where have you

17:33

gone to? 657 Boulevard

17:35

is missing you. Ugh.

17:37

Yeah. I can't. The letters

17:39

had all been stamped. in

17:41

the Kearney post office in Northern New

17:43

Jersey. The first was postmarked June

17:45

fourth before the sale was even

17:48

public. Yeah. So it

17:50

had to be someone who knew that the

17:52

house was being sold.

17:53

It was a real estate agent.

17:55

Well Oh, sorry. That's sorry to jump. It's

17:57

a day. It could be a Maybe. Yeah.

18:00

Someone someone knew. Yeah.

18:02

Because they hadn't even moved in yet. They hadn't moved

18:04

in. So

18:04

okay. So Marie and Derek went

18:07

to a barbecue across the street that was welcoming

18:09

welcoming them in another new homeowner

18:11

to the block. Which is insane. Mhmm.

18:13

Like, well, like, if I move

18:15

somewhere that had a welcome barbecue

18:17

for me? Yeah. No. When I moved in, I'd be like, that that's

18:20

that's creepy. No. I wouldn't go. Yeah. Party

18:22

for me. I would not go. What about a party that

18:24

was a barbecue and they just invited you?

18:26

That not Steph. That's fine. If

18:28

the community was having a barbecue and they're like,

18:30

you're invited, I'd be like, fine. A barbecue

18:33

in my honor because I'm moving in, There's

18:35

something weird about the mirror. Even if they're just trying

18:37

to get you to meet all your neighbors, there's

18:39

something weird about the neighborhood. Okay. That's

18:41

very Rosemary's baby. Yeah. It

18:43

is. Alright. So at one point, Derek was

18:45

chatting with John Schmidt who lived two doors

18:47

down from him, and

18:48

then John told him about the Langford's

18:50

who lived between them. Peggy

18:52

Langford was in her nineties and several

18:54

of her adult children all in

18:56

their sixties lived with her. So

18:59

John said the family was a bit strange but

19:02

harmless. But you know when people always

19:04

describe serial killers, they're

19:06

like, Oh, he was harmless. I had no idea. Like

19:08

that, in case he was a party clown. Yeah. That means

19:10

nothing. That means nothing. And he was a pisces.

19:13

Wow. And so is Richard Ramirez.

19:15

Oh, congrats. Thanks. So this

19:17

guy John talked about Michael Langford.

19:20

who

19:20

didn't work and he had a really long

19:22

beard. That's what he said

19:23

about it. He would fly. Yeah. He

19:26

would walk through his neighbor's yards and

19:28

peek through windows. So

19:30

Derek thought that it was likely

19:32

that Michael was behind all these letters.

19:34

And the Langford House was right next

19:36

door, and so he could see the EASL

19:38

on the porch. And the family had lived there since

19:40

the nineteen sixties when

19:43

according to the letters, the watchers

19:45

father had begun observing 607

19:47

Boulevard. Oh, shit. So Richard

19:51

Langford, the father, he had died

19:53

twelve years earlier, and the

19:55

current watcher claimed to have

19:57

been on the job for the better

19:59

part of two

19:59

decades. Mhmm. So case clothes. Right? It's

20:02

the sky Michael. Wasn't Michael

20:05

schizophrenia also? He

20:07

was. he

20:07

was. Derek told

20:10

the police about Michael Langford,

20:12

and they brought him in for questioning.

20:14

He denied knowing anything police

20:16

said that, quote, the narrative

20:18

of what he said matched

20:20

things mentioned in the letters.

20:23

But there wasn't any hard evidence

20:25

so police couldn't arrest him. And so Derek decided to take matters

20:27

in his own hands, and he set up webcams

20:29

all around his house.

20:32

Webcams. Webcams. he

20:34

got obsessed and he hung out in the house at night

20:36

with all the lights out looking outside to

20:38

try to catch the watcher. Also,

20:42

I remember hearing that when after the police

20:44

talked to Michael Langford, they

20:46

told Derek, like, you won't be having any

20:49

problems anymore. even though even though

20:51

they didn't they didn't say that Michael

20:53

Langford was guilty or anything like

20:55

that, but they talked to him and then told Derek you won't be

20:57

having

20:57

any issues anymore. So almost,

20:59

like, they thought

20:59

Michael Langford was guilty.

21:02

And weird. Yeah.

21:04

So

21:04

Derek created a map

21:06

showing when each of his neighbors had

21:08

moved in with overlays

21:11

marking possible site lines for the

21:13

EASL. It was some, like, beautiful mine. Yeah.

21:15

Exactly. That sounds like the most fun

21:17

project. That's that's this is something I would

21:19

do. Oh my god, guys. So

21:21

he had and he

21:22

had, like, a circle on top that was

21:24

for approximate range of ear shots to

21:26

estimate who might have Maria yelling

21:28

the kids names. This is insane.

21:30

And only a few homes fit both

21:32

the criteria, and then Derek ended up hire hiring

21:35

a private to do background checks

21:37

on his neighbors. I can imagine

21:39

someone coming to us with, like, an issue

21:41

like this, and then

21:42

we are investigating. It's my dream.

21:44

And then, like, my dream

21:46

set up something, like, some weird, beautiful

21:48

mind shit. Like, these are the people in the

21:50

neighborhood. Here's Oh my god. I love this. With

21:52

red strings. Yes. Meanwhile,

21:55

I'm just conducting a seance. You

21:57

know, you gotta hit all avenues. Yeah. True.

21:59

So

21:59

Derek reached out to a former FEI

22:02

agent who he knew

22:04

who

22:04

was actually the inspiration for

22:07

Clarice in silence of the lambs.

22:09

Well, that's tight. Yeah. Andy

22:11

hired another FBI agent.

22:14

So they these two agents, they

22:16

noticed old fashioned ticks

22:18

on the handwriting in

22:19

the letters, like weird stuff. on the

22:21

letters that would suggest it was an older writer.

22:24

Interesting. And the sentence were double

22:26

spaced and there was no

22:28

profanity. the agents thought it could

22:30

be a, quote, less macho

22:33

writer. Or perhaps the watcher was

22:35

jealous that the Proteus' head

22:37

bought a home that the writer couldn't afford. Interesting.

22:39

So the police brought in Michael Langford

22:41

again for questioning, but they got nowhere.

22:43

And then Derek hired a lawyer

22:44

as well. So

22:46

then, Maria and Derek,

22:49

they both started having panicked dreams.

22:51

Maria was paranoid. She was being watched

22:53

all day long. Every baby was yeah.

22:55

And she would spend hours googling people she thought

22:57

were suspicious and she was totally

23:00

obsessed. But by the end of

23:02

twenty fourteen, the case

23:04

grew cold. So

23:06

the renovations on the house were finished,

23:08

but the family didn't feel comfortable moving in

23:10

yet. I got it. So Derek looked

23:12

into getting a German shepherd. and

23:14

he even put out a job ad on a

23:17

military veteran's website that

23:19

said all you have to do is work out in the

23:21

backyard every day. Like pump

23:23

iron, Yeah. That's just insane.

23:25

No. That's smart. So it's

23:27

just not I guess. Is this like a watchdog

23:29

that can, like, is some dude just

23:32

pumping iron in the back. I mean, I

23:34

guess. And then they got another letter. Oh,

23:36

shit. Buckle up everybody. 657

23:38

Boulevard is turning on me.

23:40

I don't

23:40

understand why. What

23:42

spell did you cast on it? It used

23:44

to be my friend and now it is

23:46

my enemy. I am in charge of 657

23:50

Boulevard. It is not in charge of me. It will

23:52

not punish me. I will rise

23:54

again. Oh my god. I will be patient and

23:56

wait for this to pass. and for

23:58

you to bring the young blood back to

23:59

me. Let the

24:00

young blood sleep in 657

24:03

Boulevard stop changing it and let it

24:05

alone. Yeah. Let it alone.

24:07

Okay. So Derek and Marie ended moving into Maria's mother's house

24:09

while they continued to pay the mortgage

24:11

on this house. And they fought

24:13

all the time, they started taking med

24:16

occasion to sleep, Derek was depressed, Maria

24:18

started seeing a therapist, and the therapist said

24:20

that she was suffering from post

24:23

traumatic stress. that won't go away until they got rid

24:25

of the house. So they were just, like, freaking

24:27

out. Oh my god. Maybe the therapist has been

24:29

running the lights. So she was in

24:31

the house. she needs the the

24:33

business. Yeah. Okay. Six months after the

24:35

letters arrived, they decided to

24:37

sell the house. I

24:39

would have sold it after letter one. Yeah. They

24:41

listed it for more than what they

24:43

paid because of their renovations.

24:46

But

24:46

no one want to buy the house because of the rumors

24:48

of a stalker or pedophile. Yeah.

24:50

No shit. Also, it's to mention they

24:52

there were sex offenders in the neighborhood.

24:55

Oh, yeah. They the police look and there were

24:57

there were pedophiles in the neighborhood who they

24:59

also interviewed. But it

25:03

wasn't I didn't know. He was his letters

25:05

were, like, pedophile letters.

25:07

Well, that was mentioning the children.

25:09

Right. Right. But it wasn't, like,

25:12

explicitly like like it just like it all

25:14

seemed like part of the watcherness of it.

25:16

But I I mean, it wasn't like creepy, but it

25:18

was like Right. Right. No. It's creepy as

25:20

hell, but it's not horny as hell. not

25:22

horny. So Yeah. The washer is

25:24

creepy. It's open up by horny. Yeah. He's

25:26

creepy, not horny. They got a

25:28

few he's horny for the house. Yeah.

25:30

No. She's in the house. He's a

25:32

house altogether. Yeah. They

25:34

got a few offers for well below

25:36

the selling price, but couldn't afford to take

25:38

them. Six months later, they decided to

25:40

sue the old owners for not telling them they

25:42

had also received a letter from the

25:44

watcher. A local reporter had

25:46

found the complaint which includes some of

25:48

the letters, and it ended up being a story on

25:50

the Today show. Uh-oh. News

25:53

truck started showing up at the house. Over

25:55

three hundred reporters contacted Derek and

25:57

Maria, but they didn't speak to

25:58

anyone. Yeah. Which is

26:00

kind of a good point a good way to

26:02

show that this isn't a ploy

26:04

for money or anything or fame. Sure. Yeah. happening.

26:07

A veteran detective was asked to look

26:09

at the case. And once again,

26:11

they were suspicious about the neighbor,

26:13

Michael Langford. According to

26:15

his

26:15

brother Sandy Langford, Michael had

26:17

been diagnosed with schizophrenia as a young

26:19

man. He sometimes scared newcomers

26:21

to the neighborhood, when he did

26:23

strange things, like walk through their

26:26

backyard or peek into the window of

26:28

homes that were being renovated. but

26:30

those who knew him said that the odd things he did were

26:32

mostly just unusual, neighborly kindnesses.

26:35

I mean, just weird. Now

26:37

I believe that there's a line that's

26:40

crossed between, like, someone that's, like,

26:42

like, weird in in general or not weird,

26:44

but, like, you know, goes to the beat of their own

26:46

drum or just kinda, like, does things out of

26:48

the ordinary. And then to, like, write a letter like

26:50

that and, like, be so

26:53

manipulative with it that just seems

26:55

out of character almost for for

26:57

a person that kinda wanders the streets and

26:59

Yeah. Like, if you're gonna do that, you don't wanna do

27:01

anything else weird to be suspicious.

27:03

Exactly. And if he

27:05

hadn't done that to anyone else, I don't know.

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27:45

One

27:48

night while

27:48

investigators were surveilling the house, a

27:51

car suspiciously stopped

27:53

outside the house. The car

27:55

was traced to a woman

27:57

who lives in a town close by,

27:59

but her

27:59

boyfriend lived on the same block as

28:02

657 Boulevard. Yeah, girl. I hope you're doing

28:04

a drive by. Mhmm.

28:06

The woman told investigators her boyfriend

28:08

was into some really dark video

28:11

games. including one where

28:13

he played a character called The

28:15

Watcher. Yeah. He agreed to be

28:17

interviewed but never showed up. The

28:19

detectives

28:19

didn't have enough evidence to force

28:21

him to come in, so he was never questioned.

28:23

Yeah. Never talked to him. Investigators conducted

28:25

a d DNA analysis

28:27

on one of the envelopes and determined that

28:30

the DNA belonged

28:32

to a

28:33

wary of Lesutti. A

28:36

woman. Me? Yeah.

28:38

So now there's a fifty percent chance it is

28:40

you? Yeah. because it's a woman. A

28:42

woman has been writing these letters. Okay.

28:44

Fair enough. Continue. Okay.

28:48

I'm interested. They started

28:51

to expecting Abby

28:53

Langford, Michael's sister

28:55

who worked as a real estate agent -- Oh my

28:57

god. -- was she at set about

28:59

missing a commission right next

29:02

door. She also worked at the local Lord

29:04

and Taylor, and the investigation

29:07

coordinated the security guard there to grab her plastic

29:09

water bottle during a shift, but

29:11

the DNA sample was not a

29:13

match. No. The prosecutor's office told

29:15

Derek and Maria they had ruled out the

29:17

Langford's as suspects.

29:18

that

29:20

So Derek and Maria

29:22

continue investigating on their own.

29:25

They talked to another neighbor who

29:27

said his son joked about the

29:29

watchers sounding like him, which

29:31

is weird.

29:32

They also hired Robert Leonard, a

29:35

forensic link linguist and former member of the

29:37

band, Shana Nah. That's insane.

29:39

And he didn't find any overlap when

29:41

scouring online forums for similarities

29:44

to the watcher's writing. And then

29:46

Derek asked his friend in tech to

29:48

connect him to a hacker willing

29:50

to try breaking into WiFi networks in

29:52

the neighborhood to look for incriminating documents,

29:54

but that was insanely illegal. You

29:56

can't do that. Yeah. So

29:59

a woman who lived in the neighborhood

30:01

had been talking to other

30:04

neighbors, and she brought up

30:05

that perhaps it was

30:07

Derek who is sending

30:09

the letters himself. Mhmm. And maybe

30:11

Derek had buyers remorse

30:13

or realized that they couldn't afford

30:16

the house. or was it an

30:18

insurance scam somehow? Interesting.

30:21

So two years after the watchers

30:23

letters arrived, and Maria borrowed

30:25

money from family members to buy a second

30:27

home in Westfield using an

30:28

LLC to keep the location private.

30:31

Okay. But they were still stressed out

30:33

and the first time Maria let her daughter go

30:35

to the pool with her friends. She was just staring at

30:37

the tracker on her daughter daughter's iPhone the whole

30:39

time because she was just still paranoid. so

30:41

the lawsuit against the woods is

30:43

the original owners of the house that it was dismissed,

30:45

so they did not win that lawsuit. So now

30:47

they had to figure out what they

30:49

were gonna do with house. And so in twenty sixteen, they

30:52

put it back in the market. And a ton

30:54

of people came to the open house, but no one

30:56

wants to buy it. And

30:58

so the real estate lawyer

31:00

suggested that they sell it to a developer

31:02

who would tear it down split the

31:04

property into two lots, and they could get a

31:06

million

31:06

dollars for it.

31:07

So but when the proposal was

31:10

announced, people were going

31:12

off in the neighborhood's Facebook page,

31:14

calling them scammers and

31:15

liars. Oh, shit. and

31:16

they also said the new development wouldn't look

31:19

as nice because they would have to knock down

31:21

trees and the garages had to be

31:23

facing forward. grass. Yeah. They didn't

31:25

wanna fuck up, like, the aesthetics of

31:27

the neighborhood. And so

31:29

the judge ended up denying the proposal

31:31

anyway. Well, want them to knock at the house so

31:33

they can see what's in those fucking walls. some

31:35

of those walls in the basement. What do you mean? Like

31:37

the burbs, front facing garages

31:39

aren't all garages, front facing? Well, these

31:42

house are like, no. They have garages on the

31:44

side. Like, they're big

31:46

Victorian style houses, but the garages are all on

31:48

the side. Oh, so it's like a

31:50

carriage like okay. Like, the neighborhood is,

31:52

like, the houses all look the same, and it's,

31:54

like, it's a great houses. Yeah.

31:56

Mhmm. So Weird.

31:58

Yeah. So Derek eventually found someone

31:59

to rent the house. Not the Palisades, Maria. Yeah,

32:02

Maria. Well, ass says Ali from the

32:04

Palisades. Jesus. So

32:09

Derek, they found people that rent the house. But

32:12

in the lease, it said that the

32:14

new tenants could move out if the letter started

32:16

up again. Well, two

32:18

weeks after the new tenants moved in,

32:20

Derek went

32:20

to the house to deal with some squirrels in

32:22

the attic as one does. And

32:24

the renter handed him an envelope.

32:27

Oh, shit from the watcher. Cool. It

32:29

said,

32:29

violent

32:30

winds and bitter cold

32:32

to the violent spiteful Derek and

32:35

his wench of a wife, Maria,

32:37

all in. Maria loves this

32:39

letter. Good idea. You wonder who the

32:41

watcher is? Turnaround

32:42

idiots. That sounds like

32:45

scary. Like, you are the watcher. Honest

32:47

to god. Like, I remember

32:48

writing that. Turn her

32:51

own idiots.

32:53

violent wind. And you do

32:55

use wench a lot. Well, yeah. When

32:57

I'm talking about my friends -- Yeah. -- maybe

33:00

you even spoke to one of

33:02

the so called neighbors who has no

33:04

idea who the watcher could be or

33:06

maybe you do know, and you're too scared to tell

33:08

anyone, good move. I

33:12

watched as you watched from the dark house in

33:14

an attempt to find me. Telescope

33:16

and binoculars are wonderful inventions.

33:19

I wrote this. Like, it's not even

33:22

like, this is exactly yes.

33:24

And it's like the

33:24

funniest thing I've ever heard. I'm

33:28

gonna, like, use this as a writing sample.

33:30

I was the watch

33:33

monologue in acting class. I was the

33:35

watcher.

33:35

Yeah. I wrote this. I don't

33:37

remember fully, but I it's my

33:39

voice, and the letter also talked

33:41

about revenge that was coming.

33:43

It said, maybe a car

33:45

accident, maybe a Maybe something

33:47

as simple as a mild illness that never

33:49

seems to go away that makes you feel

33:51

sick day after day after

33:55

day. Maybe the mysterious death

33:57

of a pet, loved ones suddenly

33:59

die, planes and

34:00

cars and bicycles crash, bones

34:04

break.

34:04

planes crash, I know. What's

34:06

you gonna do, watcher? So

34:09

the tenants ended up

34:11

staying despite the letter. And

34:13

because

34:13

the cost of rent didn't cover their mortgage

34:16

though, so they were still losing

34:18

money. And then on Christmas Eve, twenty

34:20

seventeen, several neighbors

34:22

had received anonymous letters. Oh my gosh. They'd been

34:24

delivered by hand to the homes of people

34:26

who had been the most vocal and

34:28

criticizing Derek.

34:31

So the letters accused the families

34:33

of speculating incorrectly about Derek

34:35

and Maria.

34:36

They were signed friends of the Broaduses.

34:39

That's weird. And

34:40

so Reeves, the author of this

34:42

cut article. He interviewed Derek, and

34:44

he asked if he had written those letters.

34:46

He said that Derek paused for a moment and said yes. What?

34:50

The letters that

34:50

were sent

34:51

to the neighbors. Oh. He

34:53

said he wasn't proud of it and he hadn't even told his wife,

34:56

and he said they were the only

34:58

anonymous letters he'd written, but he had

35:00

felt driven to

35:02

his wit end. Are you out of your mind,

35:04

Derek? Yeah. That's an insane thing.

35:06

Crazy. Like, of course, people are gonna

35:07

like, now you wrote those last year. Then

35:10

you wrote

35:12

all. Yeah. Oh my

35:12

god. Doctor Marty, palodaric. Mhmm. In

35:15

August twenty nineteen, they finally

35:17

sold the house for nine

35:19

hundred and fifty

35:22

nine thousand. Yeah. They bought it for one point three million and

35:24

put a hundred thousand dollars of

35:26

renovations into it. So

35:28

they

35:28

lost money on it, but

35:30

whatever

35:30

shit happens. But then, it's being made

35:33

or it was made? Yeah. Oh,

35:35

I didn't realize

35:37

that. and it doesn't have

35:39

greater. I didn't watch the watcher on Netflix, but it doesn't have greater

35:41

views. Made Ari Shulman, but -- Yeah. --

35:43

he's done a lot of stuff.

35:45

Mhmm. It was like

35:47

a bidding war for the rights to this

35:50

article. Oh my god. He's hot. I

35:52

didn't realize that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

35:54

Okay. So he he did

35:56

the documentary fish, not the TV the documentary. And also

35:58

-- Oh. -- he also did paranormal

36:00

activity. Three for the

36:02

more

36:03

movie nerve. Google Him.

36:06

Google Image Him. He's

36:08

hot.

36:08

Go for a girl. Is he It

36:10

doesn't look like he's in a relish. Wow.

36:12

Okay. Is everyone Google imaging him?

36:15

Yes. No. But I I believe

36:17

you. Maria Dewey. What is his

36:19

name? Ariel Schulman. Ariel Ariel

36:21

Schulman. The mermaid.

36:24

Wait.

36:25

Is this Nev's brother?

36:28

Oh my

36:29

god. Is he Nevan?

36:32

Oh, it's Nevan's brother. Yeah. because

36:34

Nevan's brother made the catfish. Oh, it

36:36

looks like he is Merritt. Wait. Wait. I can't think

36:38

he's married to someone named also

36:40

named Ariel. Oh. Schulman. No. He's

36:42

married to someone named Haley Yates,

36:45

I think. Oh, this guy from

36:47

the catfish movie? Well, it's not Eve.

36:49

It's his brother. I think it's his brother. He's

36:51

so he's so George. Didn't

36:54

punch a woman in the face and an elevator.

36:55

Yeah. I don't I don't

36:57

wanna be a part of that

36:59

family. Never mind. A party foul. I told you you

37:01

went on a date with me.

37:03

Right? No. Where you meet,

37:04

Raya? No. This was,

37:06

like, six

37:07

years ago. How did you what happened?

37:10

From Twitter, shut the

37:12

front door. How was it? It was, like,

37:14

two thousand twelve.

37:15

It was a long time ago. Oh

37:17

my god. Dad, you just started following

37:19

me on Twitter. It was after that

37:21

whole airplane -- Yeah. -- thing.

37:24

And I had seen catfish.

37:26

And I was like, oh, cool movie. And I had just moved

37:28

him back to LA from New York, and he's like, do you wanna hang out? then

37:30

he came and picked me up on his motorcycle.

37:32

Oh my god. He's And we went to

37:34

a large amount and he had some had some

37:38

cupcakes. Oh my god. And did you Basic ass

37:40

date? Was that a yes?

37:42

No. I did not. It was I

37:44

didn't it was the only time I hung out with a few touches

37:48

weiner. No. I didn't. Did he touch your weight or no? There was

37:50

no touching.

37:50

I started dating someone,

37:51

like, right after that, so I just kinda,

37:53

like -- Yeah.

37:54

-- faded out. Yeah. Fainted

37:56

out. What's the

37:58

watcher series? I don't see it

37:59

anywhere. Well, there's a

38:02

movie. But what's crazy is that they there

38:04

was like a bidding war on it and the rights

38:06

sold for, like, six or

38:08

seven figures. Right? Yeah. I would So

38:10

the guy wrote the article and then the

38:12

owners of the house got a lot

38:14

of money, like, maybe a million dollars. Yeah.

38:16

Well,

38:16

there you go. There you go. that ends well. In

38:19

twenty

38:19

sixteen is when the movie came

38:21

out? Well, twenty eighteen

38:25

they sold the rights for a movie.

38:27

I

38:27

don't see it anywhere. Yeah. That's how I

38:30

feel like it's not out

38:32

yet. Oh. twenty eighteen in deadline Netflix

38:34

wins heated auction for film

38:36

rights to the watcher. The

38:38

watcher. I should maybe write I

38:40

should maybe

38:42

write So while the watcher, like, write, like, their letters.

38:45

Oh, no. The

38:47

watcher is a different movie

38:49

in twenty sixteen. Yeah. I don't think I

38:52

don't the the They got the family

38:54

views. Okay. But there's another movie

38:56

called The Watcher. You're thinking of The

38:59

Witcher. from

38:59

December twentieth twenty nineteen.

39:02

Mhmm. And it's a man in that

39:04

looks like some sort of night. There's

39:06

one with Keanu Reeves. Yeah. I guess it's

39:09

not me. There is something there I think there might be a French

39:11

movie. There's There's so there's a lot of mixed

39:13

news called the watcher, a young couple are

39:15

tormented by unseen forces trying

39:17

to force them out of their home. Oh,

39:20

but that might not be based on this. That might

39:22

just be What year was the

39:24

twenty sixteen? Oh, it might

39:26

be, but it's not the Netflix one.

39:28

Yeah. It I mean, it could also just be a

39:30

horror movie called The

39:30

Culture. I feel like that's a pretty Yeah.

39:32

the watcher TV series, star's rapper Cervix a

39:34

lot as the watcher shut the

39:37

front door. What though.

39:39

Is that? I'd like big Oh, that's from nineteen ninety

39:42

five. I like

39:46

big box and

39:48

a cat. I like

39:51

to watch it and

39:53

I can't deny. That was the theme

39:55

song of those show. I

39:57

think so. these might just be things

39:58

that are called the watchers.

39:59

Yeah. Natalie, what

40:01

happened? Oh, no. Did you

40:03

break the mic

40:05

huh

40:06

again? I'm not

40:08

helping you. You're able to

40:12

learn. That's so

40:14

weird. Perfect. Okay.

40:16

So now let's discuss some theories

40:18

because I have a lot of them.

40:21

Oh, yeah. First

40:24

theory is Maria.

40:25

Yeah. I mean, the I think it's

40:27

pretty obvious, but it was

40:30

producer Maria. I don't remember doing it. Yeah. because

40:32

it was your demon. yeah,

40:34

wanna make sure that, like, that

40:36

sounds exactly

40:36

like my voice. Yeah. Yeah. It

40:38

sounds exactly what I would think was,

40:40

like, kind of funny, kind of clever.

40:43

Yeah. It could very well be. Where were

40:45

you in twenty fourteen? I was here

40:47

in LA, but can

40:48

anyone confirm that? I was

40:51

never in New Jersey. Mhmm.

40:52

Well, maybe I no. I I mean, I no.

40:54

I don't know. Okay. Well, my vote

40:57

is for producer Maria. One for Maria.

40:59

One for Maria. Okay.

41:02

So it had to be someone who could

41:04

listen to them and hear the

41:05

kids' nicknames. Yeah. Or who just knew

41:07

them already. That's true. or

41:10

it was coming from inside the house. Mhmm. That's

41:12

yes. So someone who knew them

41:14

personally. Yeah. What if it was someone

41:16

who lived in who had well,

41:19

Okay. So

41:20

you know you know the movie parasite. They're

41:22

living in the

41:23

basement. What if there's a family who's

41:26

been living there

41:28

for ages? what if there's,

41:30

like, a family in the basement or what if,

41:32

like, that's why

41:32

they mentioned don't go in the basement. Yeah.

41:34

Because there's a fucking family. What if

41:36

there's, like, like, all these, like, houses during Prohibition

41:39

and stuff had secret doors and

41:41

trap doors and whatever. What if there's

41:43

a secret drawer or trap door

41:45

or something in the wall where there's a whole other

41:47

compartment, like apartment compartment or something like

41:50

that. And there's a family living

41:52

there. Yeah. Because when

41:53

the original family that lived there, it

41:55

was just a couple, but now this new

41:58

family has kids and they're like, oh, you don't want this

41:59

nonsense? Yeah. There's too much. a

42:02

nice, quiet life. Yeah.

42:04

Mhmm. So maybe there's someone

42:06

actually there's a family living

42:08

inside the house. Yeah. theory?

42:10

The par yes. The parasite theory.

42:12

But how would they mail the letters? They

42:14

would just walk outside. They sneak outside.

42:16

They sneak outside and go to the To

42:19

the mail What happened when they put up

42:21

the security cameras? They never saw anything?

42:23

No. No. Never saw anything. because they did it too late. Yeah.

42:25

You should have done it after the first

42:27

letter. Yep. Right. Yeah. Another

42:30

theory is that it's Derek Broadis

42:32

-- Mhmm. -- himself. South. Yeah.

42:34

So maybe he had

42:36

buyer's remorse Interesting. I mean, that could be

42:39

it. And the creepy letters were to

42:41

gain publicity, and maybe he thought it

42:43

would inflate the price. Yeah.

42:45

But that seems I don't know.

42:47

That seems like a

42:50

crazy thing to do. Yeah. Or

42:52

maybe maybe he was

42:54

trying to, like, scare his

42:56

maybe it was his wife that wanted to

42:58

move there and he didn't really want to.

43:00

And maybe he was trying to scare his

43:02

wife and to wanna something or make

43:05

her feel uncomfortable because his wife did

43:07

grow up on that block. Like,

43:09

that was interesting. she was probably

43:12

really pushing, like, oh, this is our dream home.

43:14

Like, I grew up on the street. Oh, well,

43:16

then maybe then

43:18

maybe she maybe he was trying to scare his wife. Yeah. Or maybe

43:20

the

43:20

opposite. Maybe she wanted to move there because

43:22

her family or she had

43:24

some maybe she was a fucking psycho.

43:28

and she had been watching the house or she had some weird

43:30

Maybe she was a witch and her

43:32

family had been watching the house for

43:36

ages.

43:36

Yeah. And she was writing

43:38

those weird letters. Okay. So

43:40

that's another one. Another

43:42

one is the Right.

43:44

Michael Langford. Michael Langford. I don't know.

43:46

He has schizophrenia, so that's

43:48

like I I don't but

43:51

I don't know if Like, he

43:53

does same from everyone's description. He's like, he's harmless. And

43:55

if he were to send these letters,

43:57

I don't

43:58

think he'd

43:59

be walking around the neighborhood, looking into people's houses, and looking into

44:02

windows, making himself even more suspicious.

44:04

Right. Also as female

44:06

DNA. Right. and

44:08

it wasn't his sister's Right. So where was he getting that female

44:11

DNA? Unless he had

44:13

someone, like, captive and I

44:15

don't

44:15

know. I'm going off the

44:18

ball. The video game

44:18

guy? Oh, yeah. The guy that

44:21

never got interviewed. Right? Who played

44:23

the watch on his video game. And he lived in the neighborhood.

44:25

ived in the neighborhood. Maybe it was his

44:27

girlfriend's DNA. Maybe it was another woman's

44:29

DNA. Who would lick an envelope

44:31

or a stamp? You

44:33

don't need to lick

44:34

a stamp anymore. No. Well,

44:36

maybe they didn't lick it, but just, like, their

44:38

hands touching it. Well,

44:40

they typed it. So they had to, like I'm

44:43

just saying, like, what kind of

44:45

person would lick an envelope knowing they

44:47

didn't wanna get caught? Well, also one

44:49

thing that's interesting is it said that

44:52

the the letters

44:53

were sent from an actual

44:55

post office. Yeah. So someone dropped them off.

44:57

So there was no security footage or

44:59

anything? I know. The the mailman delivered them. But also,

45:01

couldn't the female DNA have

45:03

been from someone at the

45:05

post office? Like, Oh, I

45:08

think they may be They tested

45:10

probably the letters inside.

45:12

So

45:12

it wouldn't be a worker. Interesting.

45:14

Yeah.

45:14

They've probably tested the actual letters itself. You

45:17

know,

45:17

I don't know. You're the brains of this

45:19

operation. I don't know. What

45:21

do I know? I

45:22

thought it could be an angry coworker who was

45:24

just telling me more.

45:25

Tell me more. That's all I have.

45:27

Maybe someone was just pissed

45:30

at him because he works in

45:32

insurance. Okay. Mhmm. The phone is

45:34

LinkedIn. Oh, well, that's weird. Working in

45:36

insurance is weird in general because

45:38

that's, like, There's

45:40

money there, man. Yes. Why

45:42

is that funny? There

45:43

is money in insurance. I

45:46

know. It's just the way you said it, like senior

45:48

vice president. Like, you'd

45:50

you'd you'd just discovered it, like, an hour ago

45:52

of, like, the Nine what?

45:54

There's money in that. Senior Vice

45:56

President, AWAC.

45:58

What's AWAC?

45:59

Allied Allied world. Mhmm.

46:02

Allied world based in

46:04

Hamilton, Bermuda.

46:08

Wait. One moment. Melissa Melissa Roberts.

46:10

Allied World. I this is his

46:12

I clicked on his LinkedIn. That's him.

46:14

That's Derek Rodesk because I already

46:17

talked to him. Senior

46:18

vice president, AWAC, allied world, Hamilton,

46:21

Bermuda. Is that where it's

46:23

based? You stop guys. unless

46:26

I mean, there's probably a office

46:28

in New York.

46:29

No. Why would it be

46:31

in Bermuda? I

46:34

might just be a branch. Why did this

46:36

go to Bermuda? I don't know

46:38

if you

46:39

guys notice my shirt today. Oh,

46:41

my god. Her shirt says I

46:43

traveled the triangle. Bermuda.

46:46

I

46:46

have Shake

46:50

she's naked. Guys. Oh, it all goes back to

46:52

Bermuda. When Why is this

46:54

company in Bermuda?

46:56

Allied watcher?

46:58

Allied watcher. All

47:01

watchers. Always.

47:02

Alliance. Always

47:06

watching a a.

47:09

Always watching all

47:12

children. Yes, Melissa. That's what it is.

47:14

That's what it is. It's related to

47:16

Dean. Where was Jeff where was that Dean's Island to Bermuda?

47:18

St. No. It's in the Bahamas or

47:20

whatever. Bahamas. I would think it might be

47:23

on the border of the Bermuda Triangle. It's

47:25

probably all points of the triangle

47:28

are all different child

47:30

cult

47:30

groups. Well, what how do we

47:32

look up? What

47:34

Sorry. My

47:35

god. Okay. AWAC

47:37

may refer to. airborne

47:38

early warm control. Control.

47:42

What?

47:42

are you

47:47

If you Google, I

47:49

don't Yassy, this is a privilege of airborne warning and

47:52

control.

47:52

And the system

47:54

and an airborne

47:56

radar system designed to detect

47:58

aircrafts. But it's

48:00

also allied world insurance

48:03

Yeah. I don't think it's an insurance agency.

48:05

I think he works for the government.

48:07

Oh, he does. I don't think I

48:09

think it's a cover. This

48:11

is giving intense.

48:13

sweating. Can we look

48:15

up Richmond Road, Hamilton, Bermuda -- Yeah. --

48:17

at Google street street view. About

48:19

us, we are through its subsidiaries is a

48:21

global provider of insurance and reinsurance

48:24

solutions. Allied World

48:28

offers superior client service through a global network of

48:30

offices and branches. We'll

48:32

watch out for you.

48:35

Why? No, Maria. No.

48:40

No. No.

48:42

There's not the when I Google

48:46

map this, Allied World Reinsurance. There's no address. There's

48:48

just a question mark.

48:50

I swear to God.

48:52

It says, that said approximate

48:54

location.

48:54

It just says a circle and there's no address

48:56

for it. It says the road.

48:58

Oh

48:59

my god. It's not

49:00

real. So he

49:02

works for this company in New

49:04

Jersey? I would

49:06

I think so. But is there any New

49:09

Jersey office Probably not.

49:10

Let's street view

49:13

this. Okay. Yes. There

49:15

is one. Okay. at

49:18

forty seven West River

49:20

Road in Rumson, New

49:22

Jersey, and that's right near the

49:24

barnacle bills.

49:26

It's all

49:27

a cover. It's all a for what? For

49:29

the watcher They

49:31

just love watching people.

49:33

I think that this

49:36

is it's a government it's some sort of government agency

49:38

or some sort of something.

49:40

Maybe the watchers good. But

49:42

how would this be an insurance

49:45

scam. No one's insurance company isn't

49:47

gonna give you money for some

49:49

sudden creepy letters to your house unless you can't

49:51

be insured for letters. Right. Right. What

49:53

is reinsurance? It's probably when

49:56

you don't have insurance anymore and then you

49:58

get insurance again. You're

50:00

reinsurance are getting a week

50:01

or something. That's probably

50:03

right. Or another

50:04

theory that I thought was cool was

50:06

it could be the entire neighborhood.

50:10

with sending these letters trying to get them out. Yeah.

50:12

because they didn't like them. That

50:14

could be it

50:15

also. because they seem

50:17

like a very, like, stuck

50:19

up neighborhood. Like, they're very, like Like, we're going on

50:21

our garages. Yeah. this way. And we have

50:23

a neighborhood barbecue and

50:26

Yeah. very

50:27

cult like. They're very it

50:29

was

50:30

a cult. Man, I'm really stuck on this

50:32

Bermuda thing. I would love to figure out

50:34

What's the guy's name again? The the

50:37

daddy Derrick Brodens. Daddy Derrick. How do

50:39

you how do you spell Brodens? BR0A

50:43

Okay.

50:45

I found it. DDUS He's on Twitter, but

50:47

all he does is retweet true crime stuff, like

50:49

true crime stories. Oh, wow. The

50:51

watcher? Just about

50:54

everything. Okay. So he's listening to this. Yeah.

50:56

He said, hey horror his

50:58

his pin tweet is, hey, Horace,

51:01

how's the hoax theory you started about my

51:03

family holding up. I'm still waiting for my apology,

51:06

hashtag gutless.

51:08

Oh. Well, let's make it clear. We're not

51:11

implicating anyone here. I mean, you

51:13

know, anything this this was

51:15

the squirrels that were in the attic. You

51:17

know, this quote

51:20

squirrels I kinda think it was the

51:22

neighbor Michael Langford. I don't know. Right. I mean,

51:24

I don't know. He's obsessed.

51:28

he's obsessed with crime --

51:30

Yeah. -- and cold cases -- Yeah.

51:32

-- and testing kits Yeah.

51:35

So that's weird. I wonder if he was obsessed

51:37

with that before this whole

51:40

stuff started.

51:42

Yeah. because if he was, then that's like, okay.

51:44

Maybe this is something that you

51:46

are doing yourself. But also,

51:48

they sold the house for they

51:51

lost four hundred thousand dollars, but they got a

51:53

lot of money from this Netflix

51:55

deal. They got potentially, like, close to

51:57

a million dollars. Like, he he

52:00

like, one of his tweets is a retweet, and it's, like, write a happy story in three

52:02

words. And he wrote DNA

52:04

solves cases. Like,

52:06

yeah, he's, like, a huge advocate for, like,

52:09

DNA and True Crime,

52:12

and it's it's weird.

52:14

Can we call him and talk to

52:16

him? I mean, like, I feel

52:18

like the way he I mean,

52:20

he's retweeting true crime

52:22

podcast. Like, he's you think his

52:24

wife is like, oh, Tarek, come on. Like,

52:26

stop. Yeah. I tried to find her,

52:28

like, online and Facebook, I couldn't really find anything. So she's probably,

52:31

like, over it. Maybe we can well, I

52:33

don't know. He probably doesn't wanna talked

52:35

about He retweeted a New York magazine article

52:38

and said, one year ago, this came out.

52:40

Thanks for telling part of our story. We

52:42

have the

52:44

female DNA. Still no arrests,

52:46

victims shouldn't have to beg

52:48

cops to do their job.

52:51

still no correction or

52:53

apology hashtag stalking is

52:56

terrorism

52:57

hashtag watched hashtag

53:00

test every kit. Okay.

53:03

So he's mad at the he's

53:05

mad at the cops. I mean, he he's not

53:07

he Homeboy's not over it. No. And it's

53:10

crazy because, like, he got

53:10

a lot of money for this movie.

53:13

It's like, yeah, someone out there is

53:15

really honk in their horn. Honk if you love

53:17

web crawlers. Love it.

53:20

Stop. Stop. Oh,

53:22

there we go. Let me know. Okay.

53:24

Yeah. So so maybe our next movie

53:26

is we could we can maybe DM him and see

53:28

if he wants to get on a mini app

53:31

so. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, do

53:33

you have any final words, Melissa? I

53:35

don't know. I don't know.

53:38

Like, I think it's kind might be my

53:40

calling for but then I'm like, but it's female DNA, so that kind of

53:42

crochets that theory. Maria, do you want to

53:44

know? I really don't know. Do you want to say

53:46

anything about the letters that you wrote?

53:48

I think

53:50

they're poetic. I think they're fun. I think they're I think

53:52

they're grand and beautiful.

53:56

I think they're a little

53:58

spooky. Yeah. I think so

54:00

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54:02

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54:04

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