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Hello, and welcome to

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being boss,

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a podcast for

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creative entrepreneurs. I'm

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Emily Thompson.

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And I'm Kathleen Shannon. Hey guys. So for today's

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episode, Emily and I realize

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interview each other, and let

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you guys get to know us a little

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bit better about who we are, and

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All right, so we've got some

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pillars of what it means to be

2:38

boss and I thought it'd be cool

2:38

to just go through each one and

2:41

talk about how we use these in

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our personal and professional

2:45

lives. So starting with mindset,

2:45

I'm really super curious, Emily,

2:52

how

2:52

do you

2:52

cultivate confidence? Like how

2:55

do you really build up

2:55

confidence and I kind of in

2:58

general, think of you as a

2:58

really confident person? Do you

3:01

ever get struck with

3:01

insecurities? Are you ever

3:04

freaked out or scared?

3:06

Sometimes I cry

3:06

into my pillow that happens

3:09

occasionally not very often. But

3:09

it does happen. I am a pretty

3:14

confident person I I grew up

3:14

with parents who instilled in me

3:20

a very strong sense of

3:20

confidence that I could do

3:22

whatever I wanted and be whoever

3:22

I wanted to be and and as

3:27

ridiculous as this sounds, I was

3:27

like a childhood beauty queen

3:32

like I did pageants as a kid.

3:35

Why did I know this? I

3:35

think I knew

3:40

you were a pageant kid. I

3:42

was a pageant kid.

3:44

And I'm loving this episode.

3:47

That was the

3:47

thing it was nothing like what

3:50

is it Toddlers and Tiaras or

3:50

whatever that crazy. It was

3:52

nothing like that. Whenever I

3:52

was a kid, it was a little more

3:56

wholesome. I like to believe at

3:56

least they're like my childhood

3:59

lenses. And And apparently, I

3:59

guess I was pretty good at it.

4:04

People loved me. And that

4:04

instilled a ton of confidence in

4:09

me, I absolutely know that that

4:09

is what gave me some level of

4:13

poise at least for a poor little

4:13

Alabama girl. And quite a bit of

4:19

confidence. So I think that my

4:19

parents putting me through that

4:22

as a kid and letting me try

4:22

things like I you know, I did

4:25

volleyball for a while and

4:25

softball, and I did. I was a

4:30

majorette for a minute I did

4:30

flag in high school and I was in

4:33

the band like I did all the

4:33

things because my mom really

4:36

encouraged me to try as much as

4:36

I wanted to try. So for me even

4:41

now when I'm ever having like

4:41

one of those crying the pillow

4:44

moments, one of the things that

4:44

always pulls me out of that is

4:49

thinking about the proof that I

4:49

have, in terms of I know what

4:53

I'm capable of, and I know what

4:53

I can accomplish whenever I pick

4:57

myself up and do the thing. So

4:57

on the daily I am pretty

5:01

confident person and that's just

5:01

come from many years of of doing

5:05

things and failing over and over

5:05

but also always picking myself

5:09

up and reaching my goals or

5:09

making it do in whatever way,

5:13

whatever way I'm trying. So for

5:13

me now, continuing with the

5:19

confidence that I have is around

5:19

looking back and seeing the

5:22

proof that I have that I can do

5:22

hard shit. And I feel like

5:27

that's how I keep it in moments

5:27

of doubt. Right? What about you

5:33

You are also badass. Post

5:33

apocalypse. Kathleen your bitch

5:41

boots and your crazy ass hair

5:41

every couple of months. When do

5:46

you ever feel like not owning it?

5:49

Oh my gosh,

5:49

well, you know what I should

5:52

mention a little bit of my

5:52

background, which is I grew up

5:55

in the medieval fair, like

5:55

juggling as a little Jester in

6:02

the court. Right. So

6:04

I was the princess.

6:07

And I was the

6:07

freak show on the medieval fair,

6:10

and I did it for a long time. So

6:10

I learned how to juggle whenever

6:14

I was eight. And that gave me a

6:14

lot of confidence. But then, I

6:19

always felt a little bit like an

6:19

outsider in middle school in

6:23

high school, I was always voted

6:23

most nonconformists. And so I

6:27

had this idea that popularity

6:27

might give me confidence. And as

6:33

our show itself grows, and we

6:33

grow as experts in our career, I

6:38

thought that getting the

6:38

validation of likes, and fan

6:42

letters, and all the amazing

6:42

things I love engaging with with

6:45

our audience on would make me

6:45

feel confident. But I have

6:49

learned that popularity does not

6:49

make me feel confident. If

6:53

anything, it has shaken my

6:53

confidence more than ever. And I

6:57

know that sounds like real like,

6:57

oh, boohoo sorry about you. But

7:01

it's true. Like if anything,

7:01

success itself has shaken my

7:07

confidence. And I know that it

7:07

has for a lot of the bosses

7:10

listening because we've heard

7:10

them say it like they're scared

7:13

of success as much as they are a

7:13

failure. And I've experienced

7:16

that. I also think that another

7:16

thing that has really shaken my

7:19

confidence over the past couple

7:19

of years, is having a kid and

7:25

like I mean, nothing will make

7:25

you feel like you don't know

7:27

what you're doing, than being at

7:27

the mercy of a toddler. But you

7:34

know, it coming back around to

7:34

then my experience of kind of

7:37

being most nonconformist, or

7:37

learning how to juggle in a

7:40

righteous age, I'm realizing

7:40

that there's a difference

7:44

between confidence and self

7:44

esteem. And what I really want

7:47

to cultivate is self esteem. And

7:47

this is gonna sound really

7:51

weird, but I dropped something

7:51

down my sink the other day, and

7:55

I had to take my sink apart by

7:55

myself, Jeremy was outside doing

7:59

some things in lawn work. And I

7:59

took my sink apart by myself got

8:04

the thing out of the drain, it

8:04

was a bottle of essential oil.

8:07

And

8:09

thank you for clarifying, because it could have been anything. I mean,

8:11

it could have been anything, it was a bottle of peppermint essential oil, I

8:12

dropped it down the sink, I took

8:16

the sink apart, I put it back

8:16

together and I felt like such a

8:20

badass, like, forget closing on

8:20

a book deal. Forget buying

8:25

homes, forget launching a six

8:25

figure business like I need to

8:29

take apart a sink and put it

8:29

back together to feel confident

8:33

and to build some self esteem.

8:35

Right? I love

8:35

that like, and bringing it to

8:38

that really practical level of

8:38

like doing shit doing hard

8:42

things that you've never done

8:42

before. I think that's hugely

8:45

powerful. Like, whenever,

8:45

whenever I was a kid again,

8:48

like, my mom was the one who

8:48

would like lay the hardwood

8:51

floor,

8:52

or my mom to

8:52

would like tile the floor. I

8:55

remember we all did this

8:55

together as a family. It was a

8:58

little janky

9:00

right? I mean, that kind of goes without saying. But um, but I think

9:02

there's so much to be said about

9:06

doing things like that. I feel

9:06

like are now I don't know, maybe

9:10

our culture does or doesn't

9:10

depending on where you are,

9:13

really makes a lot of the hard

9:13

tasks either just handing them

9:19

off delegating them to someone

9:19

else, and we preach it all the

9:22

time, like delegate that shit

9:22

for sure. But sometimes whenever

9:25

I need a boost of confidence,

9:25

I'm gonna go like, I don't know

9:30

assemble a bookcase, or

9:30

something that comes with clear

9:33

instructions for sure. I'm not

9:33

gonna figure it out from the

9:36

ground up. But but really sort

9:36

of solving some sort of puzzle

9:41

and doing something with my

9:41

hands, I think does bring me

9:45

back to to a level of

9:45

mindfulness and accomplishment

9:51

that helps fuel confidence,

9:51

maybe even when I'm not really

9:55

feeling it that much. So I love

9:55

that a ton. Along with

10:00

confidence, I think that I think

10:00

that one of the things that I

10:04

like to bring into the boss

10:04

mindset, as much as possible is

10:08

super mindfulness. And I, I

10:08

almost feel like that

10:11

mindfulness or even self

10:11

awareness really lends itself

10:15

hugely to, to confidence and

10:15

self esteem. I think it's a lot

10:22

easier to cultivate your own

10:22

self esteem when you are being

10:25

self aware. Whereas if you're

10:25

never like getting in touch with

10:29

who it is that you are or what

10:29

it is that you're feeling, it's

10:32

really hard to think that what

10:32

you're doing or what you're

10:34

feeling is worth anything. So I

10:34

feel like that's something that

10:38

requires This podcast for over

10:38

two years now has really forced

10:43

me to do is become really self

10:43

aware. Like, I don't want to be

10:46

the crackpot who's just talking

10:46

shit not living it. So as we are

10:50

talking about, you know, being a

10:50

boss and having the right

10:52

mindset, what does that mean?

10:52

And for me, it's self awareness

10:57

and allowing that self awareness

10:57

to bring confidence into my life

11:03

and owning it. Because I think

11:03

that's another piece too, like

11:05

you can be self aware and have

11:05

reasons to feel confident. But

11:09

if you don't own it, and choose

11:09

to feel confident, you won't.

11:14

Amen. All

11:14

right, let's get into habits and

11:20

routines. I would love to hear

11:20

kind of like a personal

11:23

professional mix of the day in

11:23

the life of what it's like to be

11:28

Emily Thompson.

11:31

It's not very

11:31

exciting. It's funny, I'm

11:33

recording this and I'm literally

11:33

wearing the shirt that I slept

11:35

in last night. I was just joking

11:35

that I'm not wearing a bra. But

11:40

it was like, Yo,

11:44

I love how this turned into what are you wearing?

11:46

Right. So let me

11:46

tell you about how glamorous my

11:48

day is, is really what this is

11:48

going at. Um, so I usually wake

11:53

up about 630 or seven. And I

11:53

spend the first hour of my day

11:58

usually in bed because my floors

11:58

are really creepy in my house.

12:01

And I don't want to wake Lily

12:01

yet because that means like life

12:03

has to start. So I usually lay

12:03

in bed and read the news, or

12:10

place in two dots on my phone,

12:10

or maybe I'll get my journal out

12:14

in journal or if I'm really

12:14

feeling productive, I'll get the

12:16

laptop in bed and do some things

12:16

but it just sort of spend the

12:21

first hour hour and a half of my

12:21

day just doing whatever the hell

12:24

I want to from the bed or

12:24

sometimes I'll sneak off to the

12:27

living room and hang out on the

12:27

couch, quietly alone, because as

12:31

an introvert, that is super

12:31

important for me. At about 8am

12:36

Lily comes out of her room, and

12:36

we start our day we make David

12:40

good. Just

12:41

to clarify Lily is your

12:41

eight year old daughter.

12:44

Yes, she's my eight year old daughter.

12:46

And she's have one child.

12:47

Yeah, I only

12:47

have the one. Only one child

12:51

aged child there is still David

12:51

who is my partner but he is

12:56

getting out of bed at eight to

12:56

because Lily is coming into the

12:59

room and telling him to get out

12:59

of bed. So we all get up and

13:03

usually do breakfast. Lily is

13:03

homeschooled. So at that point,

13:06

we usually tell her to go get

13:06

her journal or handwriting

13:09

notebook and just do something

13:09

while we're prepping breakfast.

13:11

We make her get ready when she

13:11

does the trash or whatever. So I

13:15

usually spend the morning with

13:15

my family, I drink a hot cup of

13:19

tea. And between nine and 10

13:19

I'll usually scoot to the studio

13:23

and and start work, usually go

13:23

through my email, get some tasks

13:28

checked off the list, have a

13:28

couple of meetings throughout

13:30

the day. David, if I'm in

13:30

meetings all day, sometimes

13:34

David will bring me lunch at my

13:34

desk that happens sometimes. Or

13:38

I'll go out and have lunch with

13:38

David and Lily. And then usually

13:41

about five o'clock, I'm really

13:41

good. About five o'clock, my day

13:44

is over. And I will leave the

13:44

studio I'll shut everything

13:47

down, leave the studio and go

13:47

cook dinner or we'll go out to

13:52

dinner or whatever. We just sort

13:52

of spend the evening sometimes

13:55

we'll watch TV, we don't really

13:55

have a set routine for after

14:00

work, just whatever comes up.

14:00

And then I'm usually in bed by

14:04

like 830 or nine and asleep by

14:04

10. I'll lay in bed and read for

14:07

a while. So that is the

14:07

glamorous day in the life of

14:12

Emily Thompson. What about you,

14:12

you have a toddler? So yours is

14:20

probably a little different?

14:23

Yeah, so I

14:23

think that as of this episode,

14:26

releasing, my toddler will have

14:26

just turned three. Yay. Yeah. So

14:31

his name is Fox. And I'll start

14:31

with the morning. He sleeps with

14:35

us currently. So

14:38

glaring, right,

14:38

you can do whatever you want.

14:41

Honey is your bed.

14:44

It is what

14:44

works for us right now. So he

14:46

sleeps with us, which I actually

14:46

love, especially during the

14:49

colder months. We're just little

14:49

cuddle bugs with each other.

14:53

It's it's actually really sweet.

14:53

I love it. So I'll usually wake

14:58

up around. Well, he'll usually

14:58

wake up with Jeremy around 630

15:03

and I'll hear them go downstairs

15:03

together and Jeremy will make

15:07

him some french toast and get

15:07

the coffee going. And I'll

15:11

usually sleep in for another 30

15:11

minutes. And whenever I wake up

15:14

at seven, I come downstairs. My

15:14

favorite part of my day is

15:19

coming downstairs and Fox

15:19

squealing whenever he sees me as

15:23

if we weren't just sleeping

15:23

together and cuddling all night.

15:26

So that's really sweet. And I'll

15:26

usually grab a cup of coffee and

15:30

cuddle on the couch with him for

15:30

about 10 minutes and then I'll

15:32

get up and actually start

15:32

working. So at this point, I'm

15:36

going through my emails I'm

15:36

looking at my tasks. To dues for

15:39

the day, I might write something

15:39

like if there's something really

15:43

urgent, like we have a bunch of

15:43

sales emails to go out, or if we

15:47

have an agenda for a podcast,

15:47

like I'm usually looking at my

15:49

Asana and just seeing what tasks

15:49

need to be done if and if there

15:52

are any that I can just knock

15:52

out really quick in the morning.

15:56

And after that, I will usually

15:56

get ready Jeremy's heading out

16:00

to work, I'll get myself ready,

16:00

I will get Fox ready for

16:04

preschool or for his nanny, his

16:04

nanny will usually come pick him

16:08

up. And at that point, I go to

16:08

the gym. And so every morning I

16:13

lift really heavy weights, my

16:13

hands are like man hands with

16:18

calluses on them. And I love

16:18

actually going to this gym

16:23

because I can listen to podcasts

16:23

on the way which I love doing.

16:27

And if I'm not going to the gym,

16:27

I'm usually going on a really

16:30

long walk. And after that I'll

16:30

do some kettlebell swings or

16:33

something like that. But every

16:33

morning that is like my non

16:36

negotiable self care thing that

16:36

I do for myself, it totally

16:40

keeps me sane. Um, and then

16:40

after I work out, I'll get home

16:46

I'll make myself something to

16:46

eat. And which is super

16:49

important. I'll usually take a

16:49

shower and get ready. And really

16:52

this has taken up a big chunk of

16:52

my morning at this time. And

16:56

then after that, I will dive

16:56

into work. So usually that

16:58

includes some meetings that

16:58

includes a lot of writing,

17:02

especially as we're writing this

17:02

book. And that's pretty much it

17:07

around for 430 Fox will either

17:07

come home or I'll go pick them

17:12

up. And then it's just evening

17:12

hustle, which is dinner, I'm

17:16

usually the one that cooks.

17:16

Jeremy's usually the one that

17:19

does the dishes and the laundry,

17:19

we're going through all of our

17:22

daily chores of just taking care

17:22

of a household and a toddler.

17:26

It's bath time, Fox still can't

17:26

fall asleep by himself. So I'm

17:30

usually laying in bed with him

17:30

and helping him fall asleep. And

17:34

that's whenever I get on my

17:34

Kindle and read my books. So

17:39

after that, I might watch a

17:39

little bit of Netflix and chill

17:43

with my man. drink a cup of tea

17:43

and go to bed.

17:48

That sounds dreamy.

17:50

It really is

17:50

pretty dreamy.

17:52

Right? I love

17:52

that I was I've tasked myself

17:57

with re looking at my ideal day

17:57

for the new year. And as we're

18:00

shifting some roles and being

18:00

boss, and how it is that we're

18:04

going to be spending our days.

18:04

And I catch myself quite often

18:09

like going into my ideal day.

18:09

And it not looking really all

18:13

that different from what my life

18:13

currently looks like. Like I

18:16

love that I don't have to

18:16

commute most days, because I

18:20

will say I kind of wish that

18:20

like I had an end of day commute

18:23

like a time where I could

18:23

decompress between you know, the

18:27

12 feet, it takes me to go from

18:27

my desk to the kitchen, or

18:30

whatever, that would be handy.

18:30

But I love that I don't have to

18:34

commute and that I can stop and

18:34

have long lunches with my

18:37

family. Or that I can work in my

18:37

PJs and my yoga pants or, or

18:45

whatever it may be that like I

18:45

like my daily routine pretty

18:50

well. There are some things I

18:50

should could maybe have an idea

18:54

for you.

18:55

Yes. Oh, I

18:57

forgot to mention that I usually do my makeup and get dressed. Like

18:59

three out of five days I do

19:02

that.

19:03

I do it probably

19:03

two out of five days,

19:05

I think mostly because I really like doing my makeup like that's my hobby.

19:10

It is and you're

19:11

my creative

19:11

outlet. But oh my idea for you

19:14

was whenever it comes to

19:14

decompressing at the end of the

19:17

day, I know that your word for

19:17

this year, I'm pretty sure his

19:21

strength. And that you're I

19:21

mean, I know that that's a lot

19:25

of different things. But I

19:25

talked about wanting to do more

19:27

yoga. Like what if you had

19:27

integrated like a yoga routine

19:31

at the end of your day as I

19:31

mean, I definitely think getting

19:35

out of your house and into a

19:35

yoga studio might be the best

19:38

way to find that separation. But

19:38

what if something like that? Or

19:41

do you prefer to do yoga in the morning?

19:43

I think I do prefer doing yoga in the evening. And I'm giggling over

19:45

here because the last time I did

19:49

go to yoga in the evening,

19:49

because quite often I'll do it

19:51

in the morning. Last time I do

19:51

in the evening, I pulled in and

19:54

the car next to me like hit my

19:54

car like with her door. And I

19:58

was like livid like someone had

19:58

just honked at me like in the

20:00

parking deck and I was just one

20:00

of those days where I was really

20:03

done. And I go into yoga and

20:03

she's sitting next to me after

20:07

right one of those though it

20:07

just makes me giggle to think of

20:11

going to yoga and evening after

20:11

I'm already like super wound up

20:15

by um but yes, so part of my

20:15

plan is certainly getting yoga

20:20

and more regularly. And even I

20:20

love doing yoga at home like

20:24

that is totally one of my

20:24

favorite things. And I've

20:27

thought about one it would be

20:27

cool to do it in the studio just

20:30

because I've really good space

20:30

to do it. But I also know that I

20:32

need to get out of the studio

20:32

and able in order to do that.

20:36

So you mean

20:36

like your home studio

20:39

Yes, my home

20:39

studio. But I do like doing yoga

20:42

here. And I do need to do some

20:42

more integration of getting that

20:46

in more regularly because I do

20:46

go to yoga classes relatively

20:49

often, I will just sort of pop a

20:49

downward dog in the bedroom on

20:53

occasion. But I could definitely

20:53

make it more of a part of my

21:00

daily routine.

21:01

Oh, I wanted

21:01

to mention my iPhone games,

21:03

because you mentioned too, that

21:03

I've been obsessed with color

21:09

cube lately.

21:10

Yeah,

21:11

it's like different shapes that you have to shift around to create a

21:13

pattern. And then also blend

21:16

Doku Have you played that one,

21:16

putting colors in the order of

21:21

their gradient. I mean, these

21:21

are like graphic designer nerd

21:26

names

21:27

over here.

21:29

I love it I am.

21:29

So I would love to talk about

21:32

that for a second. Because I

21:32

think it's in part of habits and

21:36

routines. And especially when we

21:36

get to boundaries in a second, I

21:39

have one game on my phone. Only

21:39

one and it's the kind of game

21:44

where I get five tries. And then

21:44

I'm done for like an hour and a

21:47

half, like I can't try anymore.

21:47

And and it's the kind of game

21:52

that once you reach some certain

21:52

level, you have to wait until

21:55

the next upgrade to get the rest

21:55

of them. And so I'm very like,

21:58

boxed in as to how much time I

21:58

can spend on this game. And, and

22:03

for me that has been very

22:03

important and like, part of

22:06

keeping my daily routine super

22:06

productive is is keeping it to

22:10

the one game and also just

22:10

removing Facebook from my phone,

22:13

which can be scary for some.

22:16

I do too much

22:16

Facebook Live thing to delete it

22:18

from my phone on the go. I

22:18

recently deleted it from my

22:22

phone, and then I had to reinstall it

22:24

live

22:25

because which

22:25

we do from the being boss

22:27

Facebook page, not the being

22:27

boss Facebook group. But on the

22:30

Facebook page. I'm usually

22:30

popping in on Tuesdays at one

22:34

central if you guys ever want to

22:34

hang out with me there. But um,

22:38

yeah, I definitely just have the

22:38

two games. I do play Words with

22:41

Friends with my parents, like

22:41

I'm not gonna play Words with

22:44

Friends with strangers, but I

22:44

kind of think of it as how I

22:47

bond with my parents.

22:49

I love that that's acceptable.

22:53

Alright, so we

22:53

kind of started to get into

22:55

boundaries a little bit, as far

22:55

as that delineation between your

23:00

work day and then your life

23:00

because you do work from home.

23:05

But I'm curious, when do you

23:05

feel like your boundaries as a

23:09

creative entrepreneur are most

23:09

challenged.

23:14

I think my boundaries are most challenged whenever I'm really excited

23:16

about something that I'm working

23:19

on. Like whenever I have a new

23:19

project, or I'm like knee deep

23:23

in or neck deep and something

23:23

that I really want to be doing.

23:27

But I have these boundaries

23:27

around, you know, making sure I

23:30

spend breakfast with my family

23:30

or dinner with my family or you

23:33

know, not working at night or

23:33

especially on the weekends. But

23:36

whenever I'm really excited

23:36

about something that I'm

23:38

creating that shit is hard,

23:38

really hard. So definitely when

23:44

I'm created, or whenever I'm

23:44

excited about what I'm creating,

23:47

that's when it's hardest.

23:47

Otherwise, I have no problem

23:50

turning it off at five, or

23:50

waiting until nine or 10 to get

23:54

started. Definitely don't have a

23:54

problem not working on the

23:56

weekends. Like that's okay with

23:56

me. But whenever I'm excited

24:01

about something, it's really

24:01

hard to keep me away from work.

24:05

For sure.

24:06

You know, on

24:06

that note, for me, I think that

24:08

I've created such structure and

24:08

routine around my ideal day. Oh,

24:13

and I wanted to mention this, we

24:13

have an ideal day worksheet. If

24:16

you guys haven't downloaded it

24:16

yet, it's on our website at www

24:20

dot being boss club. I think

24:20

it's in the sidebar over there

24:23

so you'll be able to find it.

24:23

But um, for me, I think that I

24:27

have created enough structure

24:27

and routine around my ideal day

24:30

that the boundaries are

24:30

naturally fit into that. But

24:33

whenever I'm neck deep into

24:33

something that I'm excited

24:36

about, like a book, for example,

24:36

I'm cool with thinking that

24:39

maybe for three months, I'm

24:39

going to be writing on a Sunday

24:42

while Fox and Jeremy go down to

24:42

the in laws house. And me just

24:46

staying home and working on

24:46

that. That doesn't really bother

24:50

me anymore. And I think that's

24:50

the way that I've evolved as a

24:53

boss is that I used to be so

24:53

strict on myself at wanting to

24:57

be the best boss by making my

24:57

weekends, the weekends and never

25:01

working past five. But now I'm

25:01

at the point where if I need to

25:05

break my own boundaries, I'm

25:05

cool with that no big deal.

25:09

I agree for

25:09

special projects. I'm the same

25:11

way this past summer whenever I

25:11

was creating rock your web

25:14

design business. I like I sat

25:14

down with my family or David

25:18

specifically and I was like look

25:18

for the next six weeks I'm going

25:21

to be busting like 50 hours a

25:21

week, which is not a normal

25:24

thing by any means. But for me

25:24

to get this thing created, it

25:27

was really important. And I was

25:27

like so in order for me to do

25:30

that one like you're gonna have

25:30

to make meals which ended very

25:33

soon because David's ideal idea

25:33

of healthy eating is very

25:37

different from owning

25:38

pizza rolls for

25:41

lots of corn

25:41

dogs and things like that. And I

25:45

was like, you're gonna have to do some cooking, I'm gonna be working on the weekends, I'm

25:47

gonna be working on the evenings. And he was totally

25:48

game and I did it. And then once

25:51

the project was done, I went

25:51

back to my regular routine. But

25:55

apart from special projects,

25:55

sometimes I just get really

25:58

excited about things. And I do

25:58

have those boundaries in place

26:01

to keep me from, from overdoing

26:01

it and not just overdoing it and

26:04

stepping over boundaries I have

26:04

with my family, but also with

26:07

myself like it's, it's not as

26:07

healthy for me to sit here at my

26:12

computer for that many hours a

26:12

week on going. So I think these

26:16

boundaries are in place to keep

26:16

us good on the regular. But I

26:19

also love the ability to

26:19

shamelessly break them when and

26:25

if I want to. I want to talk

26:25

about your boundaries, and

26:33

especially around the things

26:33

that you say no to. Because I

26:39

know that's something that comes

26:39

up a lot. And we're about to go.

26:42

And I guess we are in a season

26:42

of intentionally saying no to

26:48

most things that come up. So I'd

26:48

love to hear about how it is

26:52

that you decide what to say yes.

26:52

And what to say no to.

26:56

Yeah, so for

26:56

me, right now, I'm just

27:01

automatically saying no to

27:01

everything unless it is a really

27:06

compelling reason to say yes. So

27:06

I mean, even like really great

27:11

trips that I've wanted to go on

27:11

with friends, I'm having to say

27:14

no, because we are having to

27:14

hunker down and do some pretty

27:18

intense work right now. But also

27:18

I need to like hunker down with

27:22

my family, I've did a lot of

27:22

travel, apart from my family in

27:27

2016. And I know that everyone

27:27

thinks about, like taking time

27:32

off like the first year to be

27:32

with a baby. But what I'm

27:35

starting to realize, as Fox gets

27:35

older, that's when I really want

27:38

to start spending more time with him because he's more impressionable. And so I can't

27:40

really be traveling as much like

27:45

every month as I was before. So

27:45

for me, it's just really taking

27:50

a look at what my big picture

27:50

goals are. Actually, that's my

27:54

intention for this month is

27:54

looking at the big picture.

27:58

Because I've been so stuck in

27:58

the minutiae of the daily grind,

28:01

and really even just month to

28:01

month that I'm not really

28:05

thinking about the kinds of

28:05

traditions and even just the

28:10

kind of person that I want to be

28:10

in 510 or 15 years, I am very

28:15

present with where I'm at in my

28:15

business, almost to a fault. So

28:20

I'm starting to really think

28:20

about the big picture and how

28:24

these opportunities or events

28:24

that I'm being offered fit into

28:28

that big picture of who I want

28:28

to be. And it just takes a lot

28:31

of you know what you're talking

28:31

about earlier mindfulness. And

28:34

so that basically right now,

28:34

I've just had to kind of get

28:37

into the auto pilot No, in order

28:37

to, in order to maintain my

28:43

boundaries. And I do have like

28:43

the, I'm really challenged with

28:46

boundaries around wanting to

28:46

give all I've got to every

28:51

single email I get, or every

28:51

single Instagram tag I get like,

28:56

I want to be able to engage with

28:56

our community, because I love

28:59

you guys. But if at some point,

28:59

I don't say no, or cut it off

29:05

somewhere, I'm just going to

29:05

become spread thin, and that's

29:08

not going to be good for anybody.

29:10

I agree. I love

29:10

what you said once about, about

29:14

you had made yourself possibly

29:14

even more available to our

29:18

community than you were your own

29:18

kid. And I think that that like

29:21

that bit of self awareness is

29:21

super important. And it's

29:25

equally as important to like,

29:25

make the adjustments to fix it.

29:29

And I also like what you said

29:29

about looking at the intention

29:33

that you have, and using that to

29:33

shape the actions that you take

29:38

around whatever it may be. And

29:38

in this case, it's what you say

29:41

yes, and say no to. That's

29:41

something that I took into

29:44

account in 2016. My word of the

29:44

year was joy. And so I made this

29:50

very intentional intention of of

29:50

only saying yes to things that I

29:55

really want to do that I knew

29:55

would bring me joy, and giving

29:58

myself that that boundary in

29:58

terms of you know, does it bring

30:03

me joy or not made it easy for

30:03

me to say no to opportunities

30:07

that came up or even you know,

30:07

to emails that roll down like I

30:11

do have an assistant and it is

30:11

her job to take care of emails

30:15

that I don't need to be paying

30:15

personal attention to. So I

30:20

think that I think that's really

30:20

important is knowing what you

30:23

want knowing what it is that you

30:23

want to cultivate in your life

30:25

and using that as the boundary

30:25

to shape the actions that you

30:29

take. Genius.

30:33

Yes, very All

30:33

right. Let's talk about About

30:39

our creative wolf pack and our

30:39

tribe of friends and kind of the

30:44

way that we network, and which

30:44

is all like very relationship

30:48

based. So I'm really curious,

30:48

have there been any

30:55

relationships that have

30:55

especially impacted your career?

31:00

One was a miss

31:00

Kathleen Shannon, for way less

31:05

like that, I feel like the most

31:05

obvious one. But yeah, there are

31:09

a couple of them, I make it, I

31:09

make it a point to at least once

31:14

a month, if not two or three

31:14

times about to have Skype calls

31:16

with people that I have met in

31:16

the past. And a couple of them

31:20

are repetitive that we have, you

31:20

know, sort of standing ongoing

31:23

meetings or at least you know,

31:23

trying to get together every

31:26

couple months or so. And, and

31:26

those relationships are

31:31

sometimes they're not like the

31:31

most profitable, like your

31:34

relationship has been very

31:34

profitable, Kathleen, I

31:36

appreciate it.

31:38

You're welcome.

31:40

Right with some

31:40

of them are just are just really

31:42

nurturing and other ways. And I

31:42

think that are the people they

31:47

include or people that I've met

31:47

at conferences or people that I

31:50

I hooked up with on Instagram

31:50

or, or things like that, or just

31:54

sent me a nice email once that

31:54

really sort of hit home. I think

31:58

that I know that I have several

31:58

relationships that have been

32:02

really impactful. Some of them

32:02

have been people that I've ended

32:05

up working with, like, like our

32:05

lawyer autumn Boyd, who, who is

32:09

actually a friend of mine, we go

32:09

have lunch together at least

32:12

once a month, I think. I think

32:12

that relationships can be very

32:16

fruitful on a very business

32:16

level. And or a very personal

32:21

level, My favorites are those

32:21

that are both. But But yes,

32:26

relationships have been huge for

32:26

my business. I always think

32:29

about there's like an eminent

32:29

buttress saying here, but

32:32

there's like this saying about

32:32

you know, is it's all about who

32:35

you know, and I think there's like another part of it that leads up to that, but I

32:37

completely agree with that. And

32:41

I don't want to be like one of

32:41

those weird networkers like I

32:44

know some of those people, they're people who just like need to meet everyone, because

32:45

they see that as currency. And I

32:49

don't see it as currency. I

32:49

don't want to be weird and achy

32:52

about it. But I do like making

32:52

connections. And whenever I do

32:56

make them, I like them to be

32:56

very nurturing for both of us.

33:00

Because you never know what's

33:00

going to happen. And that's

33:02

something that I feel I have

33:02

grown into a lot over the past

33:06

couple of years, especially, is

33:06

you never know where a

33:09

connection is going to go. Like

33:09

if I had only imagined, you

33:13

know, six years ago, or

33:13

whatever, that a couple of blog

33:15

comments between you and I would

33:15

turn into a multimedia

33:18

conglomerate. Or like what being

33:18

bosses becoming, I would have

33:23

probably shut myself then in

33:23

there. But I didn't know when

33:28

told me that. So pants are safe.

33:28

I am very pleased, though,

33:32

obviously, where this

33:32

relationship has, has taken us.

33:35

So absolutely. I have multiple

33:35

relationships with people who

33:40

have completely and utterly

33:40

shaped my business and even me

33:44

personally. And I think that

33:44

making connections like that are

33:49

certainly pivotal in building a

33:49

successful business, but also

33:55

building a successful

33:55

entrepreneur, like and being as

33:58

or building a successful and

33:58

healthy entrepreneur is making

34:03

those connections and having

34:03

people to tap for different

34:06

perspectives or, or to aid you

34:06

and whatever it is that you need

34:10

help with, or whatever. I think

34:10

relationships are super

34:14

important. Yeah,

34:16

totally.

34:16

Right. And I feel like I haven't

34:20

had as much time to cultivate or

34:20

nurture some of the

34:23

relationships that I've had, as

34:23

we've gotten more focused into

34:27

building our business and

34:27

creating boundaries. And also

34:30

having a toddler, I just, I

34:30

don't know if any of you other

34:33

parents who have young children

34:33

can relate. But I feel out of

34:37

the loop. Like there are times

34:37

where I don't even know what new

34:40

restaurants have opened. But I

34:40

do one of the things I do love

34:44

about living where I live as

34:44

much as I've talked about

34:47

moving, and I still do, but I do

34:47

one of the things I love the

34:51

most is being able to go

34:51

anywhere, and finding another

34:54

creative entrepreneur who's

34:54

making a go in a state where

34:58

we've just all kind of huddled

34:58

up together and created a really

35:02

tight knit community. And that's

35:02

my favorite thing. And like you

35:08

said, I think it's cool not

35:08

knowing where relationships are

35:10

going to take you and not really

35:10

going into every single

35:13

friendship or networking event

35:13

or opportunity thinking how can

35:17

someone make me better? or How

35:17

can I turn this into a

35:21

partnership or a collaboration?

35:21

I definitely like going into

35:25

things thinking conversation

35:25

first. becoming friends second,

35:31

like so I just really want to

35:31

have good conversations as all

35:34

and get super curious and know

35:34

someone's story. Maybe become

35:38

Friends, maybe not maybe become

35:38

great acquaintances like grab

35:42

coffee every once in a while,

35:42

you know, like, I definitely

35:45

felt like earlier in my career,

35:45

I had to be best friends with

35:49

every single one of my clients.

35:49

And I had to really like, say

35:54

yes to every coffee date. And I

35:54

think that's where I'm kind of

35:57

like, getting some boundaries

35:57

now. But I also love about

36:05

cultivating my Wolfpack and my

36:05

creative tribe, like I think a

36:09

lot about just our community

36:09

that we've created with being

36:12

boss and going on our trips to

36:12

New Orleans, and Miami. I mean,

36:19

those have been some of the best

36:19

moments of my life truly. And

36:26

the relationships that have come

36:26

out of those have been so

36:30

incredible. So I don't know,

36:30

just even on a personal note,

36:33

that's one of my favorite things

36:33

to do in our work together is

36:38

cultivate these relationships

36:38

with people by going on vacation

36:41

with them.

36:42

I agree. And I

36:42

feel like some of those, I mean,

36:46

they're like genuine connections

36:46

like these are people that like

36:50

I'm Instagram messaging, like

36:50

funny things, because we talked

36:53

about that one thing once like,

36:53

these are definitely

36:55

relationships that that bloom

36:55

into beautiful things. Something

36:59

else I want to touch on a little

36:59

bit with this and almost like

37:03

the exact opposite of your

37:03

creative Wolfpack is I still

37:06

love super nurturing

37:06

relationships that have that

37:10

with people who don't give a

37:10

shit what I do, or are not, they

37:15

don't give a shit at what I do.

37:15

But they're not as aware of who

37:18

I am professionally, which as as

37:18

being post grows and grows. And

37:24

so many of my friends and

37:24

connections and the people that

37:26

I run into on the daily are

37:26

really aware of what it is that

37:30

I'm creating, I have learned to

37:30

really appreciate the

37:34

relationships with people that I

37:34

have that, that don't connect

37:39

with me because I'm a podcaster.

37:39

And I talk about creative

37:42

business things. I have a couple

37:42

of friends and some of them are

37:45

even some of my oldest friends,

37:45

where you know, we've made a

37:48

pact where they're not going to

37:48

listen to the podcasts. Really

37:52

Yeah. Because just because there

37:52

are people with which I don't

37:56

want to talk about business and

37:56

I feel like so many creatives

37:59

are so many entrepreneurs will

37:59

find that very uncomfortable in

38:05

the beginning, like this idea

38:05

that people don't understand

38:07

what they do. Or you know, they

38:07

don't have anyone to talk

38:10

business with. And and I know

38:10

that's a struggle. But I also

38:14

challenge people to almost keep

38:14

those relationships intact as

38:17

they are. Because as you do

38:17

grow, and as all of your

38:20

conversations turned into turn

38:20

into business conversations,

38:25

you'll find great solace in the

38:25

relationships that don't ever go

38:30

there. That's something that I

38:30

have found a whole lot of

38:33

comfort in over the past year

38:33

especially is having people with

38:37

which that I can just shoot the

38:37

shit and not ever talk about

38:40

business models with.

38:42

I love this so

38:42

much. My best friend is actually

38:45

my employee over at braid

38:45

creative. She's our creative

38:48

director, and I still go on

38:48

vacation with her once a year.

38:51

She doesn't listen to the

38:51

podcast, and I never even really

38:54

thought about the fact that she

38:54

doesn't listen to the podcast.

38:57

And I'm not saying for you

38:57

listeners out there. Stop

38:59

listening if you want to be our

38:59

friend, that's not the case at

39:02

all, because I certainly have

39:02

some really great friends who

39:04

don't miss an episode Jeremy, my

39:04

own husband has listened to

39:08

every single episode.

39:08

Admittedly, he listens to them

39:12

at 1.25 speed, I think. So now

39:12

whenever he listens to us at

39:19

normal speed, he thinks that we

39:19

sound sad. But um, this is why I

39:27

love my workout buddies. These

39:27

are guys that I'm lifting heavy

39:31

weights with every single day I

39:31

spend more time with them than I

39:34

do with some of my friends or

39:34

family. And so they've become

39:38

really close and they're aware

39:38

of the podcast, but not in the

39:43

same way that like a creative

39:43

entrepreneur might be aware of

39:47

it. Like they're all just doing

39:47

jujitsu and lifting heavy

39:50

weights. And I kind of think

39:50

it's I don't know fun to have a

39:54

little bit of separation there.

39:54

And I have found the personal

39:57

professional blend to be more

39:57

challenging than ever whenever

40:00

it comes to not talking about

40:00

work with my friends because I

40:04

love it like sometimes I can't

40:04

help it. I mean, Emily, even you

40:07

and I, whenever we go on

40:07

vacation together, we're talking

40:10

about work before we even turn

40:10

the lights on before we've even

40:13

brushed our teeth we're

40:14

talking about is

40:14

a true story. Well, and then

40:17

like even me like David is my

40:17

business partner like as well as

40:20

my life partners. So sometimes

40:20

like legit pillow talk and we

40:23

took we have some boundaries

40:23

around that as well. But it is

40:27

very fantastic. And I'm like I'm

40:27

a decade into entrepreneurship.

40:32

I'm a decade plus into

40:32

entrepreneurship. And I remember

40:36

having days in the beginning

40:36

where I just Wish that people

40:39

understood what I did. And as

40:39

you do this thing and cultivate

40:42

your creative tribe, you will

40:42

have people who understand what

40:46

you do, and that hole gets

40:46

filled, and you become so much,

40:50

you become so much more

40:50

appreciative of the

40:52

relationships that you had

40:52

before, that may have been a

40:55

struggle whenever you wanted

40:55

them to understand, but now you

40:58

can accept and enjoy that they

40:58

don't.

41:01

Alright, let's talk

41:01

about money. Do you really

41:04

stress out about it?

41:06

sometimes not so

41:06

much anymore. And that's just

41:11

thank God has come from a decade

41:11

plus of entrepreneurship, and

41:14

finally finding models that

41:14

work. So I don't have to stress

41:19

about it very much. But even

41:19

part of that is because David

41:22

does all of our money

41:22

management, David does stress

41:25

about it, sometimes. Sometimes

41:25

we have conversations about it.

41:29

Where like, actually today, for

41:29

example, for the first quarter

41:33

of, of 2017 of this year, all of

41:33

our income is coming from being

41:40

boss, which has never happened

41:40

before. I'm not doing anything

41:44

in the shop, agafay we're

41:44

delivering rock your web design

41:47

business, but we're not launching anything, we don't have any clients. So this will

41:48

be the first time maybe ever

41:53

since starting being boss that

41:53

we will be relying solely on

41:56

being boss for like our personal

41:56

income. And that has David

42:00

stressing the fuck out. And not

42:00

because the money's not there,

42:04

it's just the idea of putting

42:04

all your eggs in a single

42:06

basket, which is not something

42:06

we've had to do in a long time.

42:09

So he's stressing out about it,

42:09

because it's his job too. And

42:12

I'm like, shit, it's fine. Like,

42:12

it'll all be great. Second

42:17

quarter, we'll come we'll

42:17

relaunch rock, your web design

42:20

business and things will be

42:20

amazing. So even as we've become

42:24

very comfortable in our revenue

42:24

streams, and we have, we have no

42:29

income coming in consistently,

42:29

it is still something as a brand

42:34

or as a business is stressed

42:34

about. But because I have

42:38

personally taken that stress and

42:38

those responsibilities and

42:42

delegated them to someone else,

42:42

I'm usually okay. I also trust

42:46

the process a lot more than bean

42:46

counter. David does. I have I

42:49

counted my own beans for a very

42:49

long time. And I knew that if

42:52

things ever got low or slow, or

42:52

scary, holes were always filled.

42:57

I've never not made ends meet

42:57

even whenever, like really early

43:03

in business. So I have the

43:03

experience of trusting the

43:07

process a little more than David

43:07

does, who ended up taking the

43:10

role whenever a lot of those

43:10

holes had been filled by me. So

43:15

I have more practice at not

43:15

stressing, I think than even

43:19

David does. And I think part of

43:19

that comes from just being in it

43:24

and doing it. And at this point,

43:24

having enough revenue streams

43:28

that if something does have a

43:28

slow time, I have other things

43:32

that are doing

43:33

that are doing

43:33

good. I definitely freak out

43:36

about money. But here's why. I

43:36

think that there is something

43:42

about my personality where I

43:42

believe if I don't have a sense

43:45

of urgency or stress or worry

43:45

around what I'm creating that

43:50

it's somehow going to fail.

43:53

Interesting.

43:54

Yeah, I

43:54

probably need to go talk to, as

43:57

I say, I think you need to talk

43:57

that talk to a therapist about

43:59

you know what's interesting

43:59

right now I'm reading Dan

44:02

Harris's book 10% happier. And

44:02

it's so fascinating, because he

44:09

worked in like a really high

44:09

stress job situation where he's

44:13

creating journalism stories on

44:13

the news, every single day, he

44:17

had meltdowns on air, he became

44:17

a drug addict. Like we're just

44:21

producing one podcast a week,

44:21

and it's not even live. So I was

44:27

reading his book, and he was

44:27

talking about that same kind of

44:31

sense of urgency and stress and

44:31

worry around his job and kind of

44:35

tying ambition, like tying

44:35

ambition and stress together.

44:40

And I think that I have kind of

44:40

carved out that neural pathway

44:44

in my brain where ambition and

44:44

stress are very, very related,

44:48

quite closely related. So I

44:48

don't know maybe I need some

44:52

drugs, not cocaine drugs, but

44:52

like some some Lexapro or so

44:58

right, and

44:59

what this,

45:00

how does

45:01

anxiety manifest

45:01

in your body?

45:05

I mean,

45:09

I mean, I'm pretty Mind Body aware, I definitely have had stomach

45:11

problems for a long time,

45:15

especially as a teenager, I

45:15

would like be nauseous all the

45:19

time. But I've gotten pretty

45:19

good at being aware enough of my

45:25

emotions and letting them work

45:25

out through my body and also by

45:29

literally sweating it out. I

45:29

mean, this is why I work out

45:31

every single day to kind of

45:31

manage some of that. I think

45:35

that if I wasn't aware of my

45:35

mind body connection and how my

45:38

emotion were showing up even in

45:38

my head, they would show up in

45:41

my body a little bit more

45:41

prevalent. We like as illness or

45:46

sickness or disease. Like

45:46

sometimes I really do worry. If

45:49

I keep stressing like this, I'm

45:49

going to give myself cancer,

45:52

which then just gives me another

45:52

thing to stress out about then

45:55

I'm stressed about stressing

45:55

This is a story of my life.

45:59

I don't mean to laugh at you.

46:01

No, I love that you're laughing at me. This is why this is why everyone you

46:03

need a business. bestie. Right.

46:08

Because that's

46:08

an intense Yeah, I think I do

46:10

like the idea of you going to

46:10

talk to a therapist about this,

46:13

somebody won't laugh at you. At

46:13

least not to your face.

46:17

And you know,

46:17

that is something I have talked

46:19

to people about anxiety and

46:19

managing that stuff. But I think

46:25

it's a part of my personality

46:25

that is just going to be a part

46:28

of who I am. And I just have to

46:28

learn how to manage and cope

46:32

with it. I'm aware of it. I wish

46:32

I could change how I am. But

46:35

what if I changed how I was and

46:35

we didn't have a podcast? Snap?

46:41

Anyway, let's move on.

46:46

Done with that one?

46:48

Um,

46:49

what do we talk,

46:49

we talk about money. So you

46:51

stressed about money. I want to

46:51

talk about how you make it

46:55

because I brought some up

46:55

something that I want to dive

46:57

deeper into. And this is like

46:57

multiple streams of revenue. And

47:01

even I don't know, like how to

47:01

build that and what that looks

47:06

like and why you would want to

47:06

do that. Because I think this is

47:08

a this is an important boss

47:08

topic, where having having more

47:12

than one stream of revenue is

47:12

how you build security on a

47:16

whole other level, please.

47:18

Yeah, and we

47:18

did that entire money episode

47:21

recently, Episode Number 103,

47:21

where we talk a lot about

47:25

pricing and money management.

47:25

But I will talk a little bit

47:28

about how I make money and how I

47:28

kind of think more

47:31

entrepreneurially and full

47:31

philosophically about money. But

47:36

um, I make money at braid

47:36

creative. And I've definitely

47:40

shifted my focus on to being

47:40

boss. And I've been putting a

47:44

lot of attention on that. And

47:44

that has raised a lot of

47:47

questions between me and my

47:47

sister about do I stay in braid?

47:51

Do I leave, I'm like that I

47:51

created it. And I still love it.

47:55

And I'm still super proud of it.

47:55

And even though I shifted my

47:59

attention to being boss, and now

47:59

that's making money, I don't

48:03

want to It's okay, here's what's

48:03

different about working a day

48:07

job versus being an entrepreneur

48:07

is working a day job, you go

48:10

from one job to the next. And I

48:10

was kind of tempted to follow

48:13

that model. Like what if I just

48:13

went from braid to being boss,

48:17

except that I started braid

48:17

creative, I started being boss

48:22

with you. And I don't think that

48:22

there's any reason that it has

48:26

to be either or I think it can

48:26

be both. And I also would a lot

48:31

of people don't know is I have a

48:31

investment property company

48:35

called ampersand properties that

48:35

I own with my husband. And

48:39

together, we own eight houses,

48:39

we rent out seven of them. We've

48:44

paused on that for a minute to

48:44

save up our cash to hopefully

48:47

move. So like we are taking

48:47

actual steps for that. But

48:50

that's kind of more of like a

48:50

long term investment retirement

48:53

plan. But so I really have those

48:53

three streams of revenue. And

48:59

then really long term, there's

48:59

stuff like 401 Ks. Anyway, so

49:04

like that, those are all the

49:04

ways that I make money, and I,

49:07

I'm really comfortable with

49:07

those three streams. And within

49:11

those three streams, we have

49:11

things like one on one services,

49:14

digital product, we've got our

49:14

being boss club house. But for

49:19

the most part, whenever I think

49:19

about those three buckets, I'm

49:22

good with that. I don't need

49:22

another business. I don't need

49:25

to become like a serial

49:25

entrepreneur. I would read this

49:29

spread thin and fried. Right,

49:32

I love that. And

49:32

I I do think I love this. Like,

49:37

we should start talking to our

49:37

guests about like, how many

49:39

streams of revenue Do you have,

49:39

um, just to, like, get an idea

49:43

of what this looks like. Because

49:43

as especially as we've grown our

49:46

team and as I, I talked to

49:46

friends. As we're all like

49:50

growing up and getting jobs and

49:50

making money and doing things I

49:54

think there is some some some

49:54

magic involved or some like

49:57

hardcore life, money making

49:57

strategy that comes into

50:01

thinking about your your life as

50:01

a business or your life as a

50:06

model and how it is that you

50:06

make money. I feel like I'll do

50:10

often people will get a full

50:10

time job and think, Okay, this

50:12

is it. I have my one stream of

50:12

revenue, and I have job security

50:15

and all these things. And then

50:15

you get fired or you get laid

50:18

off or whatever. And then you're

50:18

screwed. And I think that or

50:22

even like entrepreneurs who have

50:22

one service, and then whenever

50:26

they don't book that one

50:26

service, they're not making any

50:30

money or whatever it is. I think

50:30

there's so much to be said about

50:33

that having multiple streams of

50:33

revenue. I have been boss I went

50:37

through the same thing whenever

50:37

I I took my focus off of in the

50:41

typography and put it on to

50:41

being boss, like, do I let in

50:44

the geography just die away? And

50:44

I was like shit, no, like, I've

50:48

spent six years building a

50:48

brand. And sure we don't we

50:53

change services, we don't offer

50:53

one on one websites anymore. But

50:56

we do you have the capacity to

50:56

create, create digital products

51:01

that can replace that. So having

51:01

being boss, an indie show,

51:04

biography, and David and I are,

51:04

are always open to some other

51:08

things we do feel like maybe we

51:08

have some space for something.

51:12

And when I say we, I mean mostly

51:12

him in terms of something else

51:16

that we can do to sort of

51:16

business model our lives and

51:20

make money in a way that is much

51:20

more secure than that

51:23

traditional belief that if you

51:23

get a full time job, and have

51:26

all your bills paid, then you're

51:26

good for life, because I don't

51:28

think that works anymore. So I

51:28

love that multiple streams of

51:32

revenue are where it is at.

51:35

I think that's

51:35

also what stresses me out about

51:37

money a little bit is that we

51:37

hang out with a bunch of really

51:40

wealthy entrepreneurs. And I

51:40

don't feel like I'm quite there

51:44

yet. And I would love to be

51:44

there. I would love to be a

51:49

millionaire, but keeping it real

51:49

guys, I'm not a millionaire. So

51:54

I think that there's something

51:54

to be said to for just being a

51:57

working creative. And I kind of

51:57

miss those days of being happy

52:00

to just pay my bills. Like why

52:00

do I need a way, the same kind

52:05

of stuff that I need to like,

52:05

work through and maybe not on

52:08

our podcast?

52:10

Right? Same

52:10

things I was I was really pissed

52:13

whenever I turned 30 and not

52:13

because I turned 30 cuz I'm

52:17

totally cool with that when I

52:17

turned 30 and I had never been

52:20

put on a 30 under 30 list. Like

52:20

That was my thing was like shit,

52:25

I wasted 30 years of my life. So

52:25

I agree. I have a couple of

52:30

those. Those internal wars shoot

52:30

for 40 under

52:35

40.

52:35

Good I'm down for that. We got 10 years. Let's go.

52:38

And maybe we

52:38

can do like a Forbes 40 under 40

52:40

list.

52:42

Let's do it. You go.

52:45

All right,

52:46

I want to do

52:46

before we close out this episode

52:49

a couple of quickfire questions.

52:49

Yes.

52:52

What's your favorite food?

52:53

potatoes? oatmeal.

52:58

Yay, carbs. Yay, carbs. What's

52:58

your favorite movie?

53:03

Probably not a surprise after what I told you earlier. Miss Congeniality is my

53:05

favorite movie. Or maybe like

53:11

any of the Lord of the Rings

53:11

like a plus the hobbit like

53:14

those I could watch over and

53:14

over it takes like a month to do

53:16

it. But maybe those What about

53:16

you? Oh.

53:22

I think

53:22

Darjeeling Limited. Or Kill

53:25

Bill. volumes one and two.

53:27

Oh god, you're

53:27

that person. I just learned more

53:31

about you than I need.

53:32

Really? You don't like Kill Bill.

53:33

I hated Kill Bill.

53:35

Yeah, we can't

53:35

be friends. Okay, what's your

53:41

favorite book?

53:42

Oh, shit. Harry

53:42

Potter's and all like I had to

53:46

pick one number three.

53:48

Hmm, I haven't

53:48

read them.

53:50

I know. You're

53:50

right. We can't be friends. Big

53:55

Boss into your guys. What about

53:55

you?

54:00

Okay, you

54:00

know, a book really just has

54:02

stuck with me for years. I read

54:02

Stephen King's the long walk.

54:07

And I don't know that it's my

54:07

favorite book. But it changed

54:10

me. And I don't know how they it

54:10

really impacted me. It's a

54:15

really short book if you guys

54:15

want to read it. The Long Walk.

54:19

Okay. What is your biggest fear?

54:22

heights? Yeah, pretty sure.

54:29

Mine is dying

54:29

and leaving my child motherless

54:32

and or my child's dying and

54:32

leaving me childless. Not just

54:38

childless. But without Fox. Love

54:38

that kid. Oh, I don't want to

54:42

die and I want him to die.

54:42

That's shit. Well, yeah, I mean,

54:47

I mean, half of

54:51

the therapist

54:51

over here. Okay, what is your

54:54

biggest dream or goal like

54:54

wildly improbable goal.

55:01

Dream World

55:01

Peace. Shit. I'm a total pageant

55:05

girl on a budget world peace.

55:05

But goal is that being boss

55:12

contributes to that hugely.

55:12

Right?

55:16

I want to talk show.

55:19

There you go.

55:19

Oh, so Okay, that also, I really

55:23

want to be the next Martha

55:23

Stewart. Minus maybe gel. No,

55:27

definitely minus gel time. But I

55:27

also really want a talk show

55:32

with Snoop Dogg or a Snoop Dogg

55:32

like character.

55:35

You know that

55:35

jail that she went to is pretty

55:37

Cush. I would know him. Hanging

55:37

out there for a couple of years.

55:40

And well, I

55:40

mean, most of it was actually

55:43

like house arrest, which also

55:43

especially if you're Martha

55:46

Stewart is not going to be dull

55:46

by any means. You're gonna have

55:49

plenty of crafts to do.

55:54

Yeah. All

55:54

right. Well, I hope that you

55:57

guys have gotten to know us a

55:57

little bit better today.

56:00

For better or

56:00

worse. This is who we are. So

56:06

hopefully you can take even more

56:06

understanding to all this shit

56:09

we say in our podcast. Enjoy.

56:09

World Peace.

56:15

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