0:47

All right

0:47

bosses. I think it's likely this

0:49

month that you've learned that

0:49

for every pound of practical

0:52

business experience and

0:52

inspiration I bring to this

0:55

space and have felt for years.

0:55

It is paired with and has always

0:59

been paired with a pound a very

0:59

receptive, intuitive energy that

1:04

really makes it next level

1:04

possible for me and how I

1:07

operate, to show up and do the

1:07

work. And the last episode, I

1:12

gave both a bird's eye view of

1:12

times in my business when I let

1:16

intuition drive the bus,

1:16

bringing to life some crazy

1:20

ideas that have equated to the

1:20

largest moves I've made in my

1:23

creative career, and some

1:23

insight into an energetic

1:27

practice. That keeps me free to

1:27

show up just as myself. And this

1:32

week, I'm sharing with you a

1:32

peek into my favorite magical

1:35

modality as I have a

1:35

conversation with a guest who's

1:38

an author, a creative business

1:38

boss, and a pro on the topic of

1:43

astrology. Welcome to being

1:43

boss, a podcast for creatives,

1:47

business owners and entrepreneurs who want to take control of their work and live

1:49

life on their own terms. I'm

1:52

your host, Emily Thompson. And I

1:52

think we can all agree that

1:57

astrology has been having a

1:57

moment for about a decade plus,

2:01

and it's only intensifying.

2:01

Though knowing your sign has

2:06

been a thing for several

2:06

generations. It now feels like

2:09

the whole world is on board with

2:09

bow wearing mercury retrogrades

2:13

and eclipses. I talk about this

2:13

trendiness of astrology. With

2:16

today's guest Mecca woods, along

2:16

with a dive into how the planets

2:20

can act as a mirror of the luck

2:20

and divine timing that make

2:24

running a business quite a bit

2:24

more magical. I'm very excited

2:28

to introduce you to Mecca, a New

2:28

York City based astrologer and

2:32

author, her horoscopes and

2:32

expertise have been featured in

2:36

places like bustle refinery 29,

2:36

essence TLC and BuzzFeed. She

2:41

also teaches workshops around

2:41

the country and abroad on

2:44

personal development and

2:44

astrology and co hosts the

2:47

astrology podcast stars on fire.

2:47

Her books astrology for

2:52

happiness and success and the

2:52

cosmic coloring book series are

2:55

available now wherever books are

2:55

sold. This interview with Mecca

2:59

was recorded earlier this month

2:59

in front of a live virtual

3:02

audience as a part of our guided

3:02

by intuition gathering, which

3:06

will soon be available for

3:06

replay within the clubhouse here

3:09

of the beam vos community. And

3:09

because how could I not be sure

3:13

to hang around to the end of

3:13

this episode where I asked mecca

3:16

for a bit of a horoscope for us

3:16

creative business folks, as we

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gusto.com/beingboss. Hello, Mecca.

4:13

Hi, Emily.

4:15

Hi and everyone

4:15

here. Super excited about being

4:20

about one having this

4:20

conversation with you. We've

4:23

been chatting together over the

4:23

past, I guess day about so many

4:28

things. But we haven't been able

4:28

to like really dive into your

4:31

story yet. So I am very excited

4:31

about diving in and we're doing

4:36

it in front of our live audience

4:36

of bosses who have

4:40

Hey bosses

4:41

right they've

4:41

all folding in right? Okay.

4:46

Mecca is wearing the most

4:46

fabulous pair of glasses and her

4:50

AR You are so on point.

4:54

Thank you.

4:55

I love it. I'm

4:55

excited to be here with all of

4:58

our bosses. We're going to be

4:58

diving in with Mecca in a way

5:02

that we haven't really been able

5:02

to for the past couple of days.

5:04

Mecca has joined us for for a

5:04

breakout session and a couple of

5:09

panels. But this conversation is

5:09

just you and I and we're going

5:12

to talk about you and your

5:12

journey but also astrology

5:17

because I did have to say that

5:17

we have had lots of woo bosses

5:20

on the podcast before but for

5:20

whatever reason we've never had

5:25

an astrologer I don't know like

5:25

astrology I've told you as like

5:29

one of my favorite. We practices

5:29

or modalities or like I'm

5:34

totally in there. Though we

5:34

haven't had an astrologer yet.

5:38

So welcome first boss,

5:38

astrologer.

5:40

Thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

5:44

All right, to

5:44

get us started, I would love for

5:46

you to share with us a bit about

5:46

your journey both in astrology

5:52

but also entrepreneurially. So

5:52

what has what has led you to be

5:57

to be you now?

5:59

Um, I guess the

5:59

best way I could describe that

6:03

is kind of based off a

6:03

conversation that my mom and I

6:07

had recently. And she kind of

6:07

came up to me out of the blue.

6:11

And she was like, you know, she

6:11

was like, you know, I've been

6:14

thinking about you a lot. And I

6:14

realize like, You're, you're the

6:18

kind of woman that doesn't take

6:18

no for an answer. She's like,

6:21

you don't really like, like, for

6:21

people to tell you no. And I

6:26

feel like that really kind of

6:26

sums up like who I am in terms

6:31

of like, my career, my career

6:31

choices, how I became an

6:35

astrologer. I Well, I always

6:35

wanted to, to have a job where I

6:40

could positively impact the

6:40

world around me. I have a very

6:44

like, I guess, altruistic spirit

6:44

in that regard in terms of like

6:48

wanting to do things. And at

6:48

first I thought it was going to

6:52

be through like fiction writing,

6:52

like, I thought I was going to

6:57

do it, like through the

6:57

publisher, which, you know, full

6:59

circle, I did end up doing it

6:59

with my book and my horoscopes

7:02

like, so it did kind of come

7:02

together in that regard in some

7:05

way. But for me, I didn't find

7:05

astrology until about. It's been

7:11

about 10 years now, little over

7:11

a decade ago. And I was working

7:17

in a nonprofit and working, you

7:17

know, helping people doing what

7:22

I want to in that regard. But I

7:22

just felt very blocked, and very

7:25

stuck, and kept having, like,

7:25

you know, butting heads with

7:29

management, and just and being

7:29

in these positions, where I was

7:34

just constantly made to feel

7:34

smaller than than what I was.

7:38

And that just kind of really

7:38

rubbed me really wrong. And I

7:42

was kind of like, you know,

7:42

what, what should I be doing? I

7:44

don't know, we don't like very,

7:44

like, at this crossroads. And

7:47

that's where astrology kind of

7:47

entered my life because I would

7:50

for reading. Um, and, you know,

7:50

it was funny, because, like, I

7:56

was still even with the work

7:56

that I do, like, sometimes I'm

7:58

still a little bit skeptical

7:58

when you know, like, this isn't

8:01

really gonna work, you know,

8:01

like, I, you know, what is she

8:04

going to tell me, you know,

8:04

like, and, you know, she blew me

8:07

away, like the astrologer, you

8:07

know, my having a very first

8:10

astrology reading, like, she

8:10

really blew me away, and was

8:14

able to tell me stuff about the

8:14

things that she wouldn't have

8:16

known otherwise, you know,

8:16

without looking at my birth

8:19

chart. And that was the thing

8:19

that really hooked me, you know,

8:23

that, that just kind of set the

8:23

wheels in motion. And so what

8:26

happened, I just started to

8:26

research and read and pouring

8:30

all over the internet's and the

8:30

blogs, and the chats and, and

8:34

just just trying to find out

8:34

everything that I could find out

8:38

about astrology in my chart. And

8:38

it just so happened that around

8:44

that same time, things at work

8:44

became really, really toxic at

8:50

that point. And I was on the

8:50

verge, like, every other week, I

8:54

would be like, I'm quitting. I'm

8:54

quitting, I'm quitting. But I

8:57

would, I couldn't work up the

8:57

courage at that time, because I

9:00

was like, you know, I'm a single

9:00

mom, you know, I didn't have

9:03

another, another giant job lined

9:03

up, even though I was

9:06

interviewing for jobs, but they

9:06

weren't coming through for

9:09

whatever reason, the universe

9:09

must have known that, like, No,

9:12

you know, this is not your

9:12

thing. But it was just this kind

9:18

of, like, perfect storm of just

9:18

being unhappy. And then also

9:22

just kind of being like, you

9:22

know, what, what else is there?

9:24

You know, like, is to sit and

9:24

suffer? Or do I, you know, short

9:32

my coverage and actually take a

9:32

leap and actually leave this

9:35

place and do something that's

9:35

more enjoyable. So, what what

9:40

what happened was, um, as I

9:40

started to become more

9:43

interested in astrology, I ended

9:43

up also finding a mentor, who

9:47

taught me everything that she

9:47

knew about astrology, from the

9:50

business perspective, from like,

9:50

the technical sense and

9:54

everything of that nature. And

9:54

she was one who really helped me

9:58

to see that I could actually

9:58

make a legitimate business out

10:01

of it. Because I think one of

10:01

the things for me was like

10:03

getting over some of the stigma

10:03

around it of like, Oh, you know,

10:06

because people used to call me

10:06

Miss Cleo. You know, what?

10:11

They used to call me Miss Cleo,

10:11

and they used to, like, make

10:15

jokes and things of that nature.

10:15

But I was it was something that

10:18

I was really like interested,

10:18

but by the way, reading about

10:21

Miss Cleo, like she's actually a

10:21

boss, you know, herself like she

10:24

was actually a boss herself. So

10:24

now I take it as a compliment,

10:28

you know, when people make jokes

10:28

like that, but But yeah, people

10:32

used to like, he was like, oh,

10:32

but but I could, but they were

10:36

also blown away at the fact that

10:36

I could read this Very well into

10:40

actually had a gift for it. And

10:40

that was the thing that also

10:44

kind of kept me going because I

10:44

was like, No, there's something

10:46

to this, like I actually am

10:46

doing this pretty well. And so

10:51

long story short, I found my

10:51

mentor, I quit the job Finally,

10:58

because everything kind of just

10:58

kind of blew up that part of my

11:00

life. I ended up moving back

11:00

home with my mom because my mom,

11:04

you know, she's definitely like,

11:04

both my parents are very

11:06

supportive. Like, you know, you

11:06

don't have to take anyone's

11:08

shit. You know, like, you don't

11:08

you know, like, you know, if you

11:11

need a place to stay like you

11:11

know, come in, packed up my, you

11:14

know, my daughter, we went, we

11:14

moved back in. I took a couple

11:18

of side jobs for a little bit

11:18

for a little while working in

11:21

like customer service, you know,

11:21

just to have like an income

11:23

while I was building up my

11:23

practice. And eventually, I

11:29

started to write for bustle,

11:29

like it just started to like,

11:31

grow. Like, the more I would

11:31

say, like, the more I like,

11:35

didn't take no for an answer.

11:35

And the more I just kind of

11:38

like, believed in myself and

11:38

believed in like this path that

11:43

I was on, the more things

11:43

started to open up for me. And

11:46

eventually, it became a full

11:46

time practice where I became a

11:49

full time astrologer.

11:52

There's so many

11:52

pieces of this that I want to

11:55

dive into that is such a not to

11:55

discredit by any way your

12:00

experience, but this is mirrored

12:00

and so many ball stories that I

12:04

hear were like things just start

12:04

falling together. Like you're

12:08

met with some difficulty. You

12:08

find this thing that's helpful

12:12

you obsessively dive into it,

12:12

someone walks into your life

12:16

that's going to help you and

12:16

then the world just kind of

12:18

opens up. Yes, I think is is

12:18

something that I want to dive

12:22

into. But I also want to ask you

12:22

talk about getting that first

12:26

reading. So you work is

12:26

difficult. You're looking for

12:31

answers. Why was it an astrology

12:31

reading? Do like have any

12:35

recollection of why that was the

12:35

way you needed to like get the

12:38

help that you needed?

12:40

Yeah. So it was

12:40

actually a two twofold kind of

12:42

situation. So it was work, my

12:42

work life wasn't wasn't working.

12:47

And also my love life wasn't

12:47

working. And it just so happened

12:51

that the astrologer so how I how

12:51

I found the astrologer and got

12:55

the reading was I picked up her

12:55

book first. And it was an

12:59

astrology book about like loving

12:59

relationships, because I was

13:01

trying to figure out, like, you

13:01

know, why am I constantly

13:04

running into the same pattern,

13:04

and you know, why, you know,

13:07

attracting the same kind of

13:07

person over and over again, and

13:09

you know, all of that. And so I

13:09

had loved what she had to say in

13:13

the book so much that I was

13:13

like, Well, let me get you know,

13:16

and I saw that she was offering

13:16

readings, like, you know, in on

13:19

her website, and I was just like, Oh, well, let me let me check it out. And let me see,

13:21

you know, if there's anything,

13:25

anything to this, and so, I was

13:25

really I went open, but I also

13:31

was kind of like, Alright, you

13:31

know, is this, you know, like

13:34

what is she going to tell me

13:34

kind of thing. And like I said,

13:37

like she she was able to look at

13:37

my chart and explain it in a way

13:41

that felt empowering. And I

13:41

think that that was the thing

13:43

about Shakeology, that really

13:43

just that really drew me in,

13:46

because I felt like astrology

13:46

gives you the tools for you to

13:50

kind of put yourself in the

13:50

driver's seat, you know, and not

13:53

feel like you're the victim of

13:53

like unforeseen forces or

13:57

circumstances. So like, even

13:57

when things that you know, are

14:00

tough, or like outside of our

14:00

control, right? astrology can

14:04

show us like how to navigate

14:04

those things and how to weather

14:08

the storm, if we have to batten

14:08

down the hatches, you know, and

14:12

kind of say, it can also give us

14:12

like a timeline, you know, and

14:15

say like, okay, you know, for

14:15

the next six months, we know,

14:18

things are going to be a bit

14:18

rocky or shaky. All right, let's

14:21

try to just like, do the best

14:21

that we can to kind of get

14:24

through this, this, this tough

14:24

period. But I know that there's

14:28

a light at the end of this

14:28

tunnel, right. And so then with

14:32

that kind of being armed with

14:32

that kind of knowledge, you

14:35

know, was really crucial for me,

14:35

because it really helped me to

14:40

kind of plan and kind of like,

14:40

you know, and also validate why

14:45

I was feeling the way that I was

14:45

feeling you know, like that. I

14:48

think that's the thing too, that

14:48

when it comes to astrology, why

14:51

people are so turned on to it

14:51

and why people look to it during

14:55

times of uncertainty because

14:55

they want to be able to feel

14:58

validated. Like, you know,

14:58

there's so many people that I

15:01

talk to, you know, the clients

15:01

that I have on like one on one

15:04

basis, and I tell them things

15:04

like no you're supposed to be on

15:08

this path or no, no, you're

15:08

supposed to be this or no like,

15:12

you know, like don't a lot of my

15:12

a lot of my conversations are

15:17

around like telling people like

15:17

not to take no for an answer to

15:20

you know, like no for an answer

15:20

when it comes to dealing with

15:23

the world at large and also like

15:23

being mindful of telling

15:27

themselves No, you know, when it

15:27

comes to certain things, and so

15:31

yeah, like that. I think

15:31

astrology because it showed me

15:35

how to Unpack my who I was in,

15:35

like, how to like work with what

15:43

I have and like, turn that up,

15:43

times 1000 things to get you to

15:49

get where I wanted to go. That

15:49

was the thing that drew me, drew

15:52

me in.

15:53

I love what you're talking about there. Because several pieces of this

15:56

complete, I agree with

16:00

everything. But several pieces

16:00

of this really stand out to me.

16:03

One of which being that light at

16:03

the end of the tunnel, like

16:06

there's timelines that astrology

16:06

gives you, that allows you to

16:11

really, to really see that there

16:11

are ins to hard times right to

16:16

live in. I have connected to

16:16

that before for sure being able

16:21

to see like, I feel like shit

16:21

right now. Or whatever. But it's

16:25

not my life like this right?

16:25

Pluto sitting on me.

16:30

Right, exactly,

16:30

exactly. Right.

16:32

So I think

16:32

that's really huge that has

16:34

always, I've found that sort of

16:34

external validation of my own

16:39

feelings and that light at the

16:39

end of the tunnel, very

16:41

important and is one of the

16:41

reasons why I love astrology.

16:44

But I also love what you're

16:44

saying here around, at least at

16:48

the moment, one of the things

16:48

that you find yourself doing a

16:51

lot is telling people not to

16:51

take no for an answer. Right,

16:54

right, right. And the thing that

16:54

I find super interesting here is

16:58

that astrology can help can help

16:58

us with whatever, like

17:04

conditioning or deconditioning

17:04

we need to do around whatever is

17:07

happening in the modern world,

17:07

is the themes and astrology are

17:11

timeless. Right? Right, right.

17:11

So the timeless themes, it

17:15

doesn't matter, like what the

17:15

problem is of the moment, right?

17:19

astrology will always help pull

17:19

you out of it, because those

17:23

themes traverse all times and

17:23

conditions. And at the moment,

17:28

the thing is, don't take no for

17:28

an answer. But it makes me

17:31

wonder, like, what was the thing

17:31

that all the astrologers were

17:33

saying in the 80s or 60s,

17:33

because I bet it has shifted

17:38

through each decade or

17:38

generation. But astrology is

17:41

always there sort of holding

17:41

this equilibrium of like, he was

17:46

how the world needs to function.

17:46

Here's how humans need to get

17:49

out of their own way. Whatever

17:49

it is, however, it is whenever

17:54

it is, right like that truly

17:54

fascinating.

17:57

Yeah, no,

17:57

absolutely. And I mean, you

17:59

know, that's a conversation that

17:59

I find myself having with a lot

18:03

of folks who always want to

18:03

know, like, well, how, you know,

18:06

how are you guys making the

18:06

predictions? And like, you know,

18:08

is there really anything to this

18:08

and, you know, talking to people

18:11

who might be a little bit

18:11

skeptical, you know, which, of

18:14

course I encounter over the

18:14

course of my, you know, my work,

18:19

but my thing is, like, you know,

18:19

it's not that we're like pulling

18:22

things out of the air, we're

18:22

just looking at the patterns,

18:24

we're looking at the past,

18:24

right, and we're looking, we're

18:26

saying, like, you know, if these

18:26

kind of conditions, you know,

18:30

these planetary conditions were

18:30

existing, back, you know, you

18:34

know, 20 years ago, 30 years

18:34

ago, hundreds of years ago,

18:38

right. And it's happening

18:38

against because everything you

18:41

know, is a cycle, right?

18:41

everything kind of comes around

18:43

full circle at some point or

18:43

another. I have a friend, my

18:48

friend, Janelle Burrell,

18:48

Belgrave, who's also an

18:50

astrologer, you know, she was

18:50

talking about how, you know, we

18:53

live in a closed circuit, you

18:53

know, nothing is ever really

18:56

happening, you know, at random.

18:56

And so when we talk about that

19:00

in context, to, you know, timing

19:00

and time and things of that

19:03

nature, it's all very cyclical,

19:03

you know, and so, so we can use

19:07

that to kind of look back and

19:07

say, Okay, this was going on,

19:10

and we can learn from the past,

19:10

you know, we can try not to make

19:14

the same mistakes that we've

19:14

made in the past, you know, and

19:17

try to choose differently. But

19:17

yeah, like, a lot of the things,

19:21

the themes and, you know, issues

19:21

and things like that, like,

19:25

these are not new things, you

19:25

know, that we're dealing with,

19:28

but but the astrology can give

19:28

us a tool in terms of like, how

19:31

to make new choices, you know,

19:31

or handle things in a in a new

19:37

or a different way. So that

19:37

that's where, you know, I feel

19:40

like there is that intersection,

19:40

you know, when it comes to like,

19:45

the past, and the present and

19:45

the future and like trying to,

19:48

like, collect, you know,

19:48

convincing the timeline in some

19:52

way.

19:53

Right. Tasha

19:53

over here is mirroring this

19:55

saying that astrology on its

19:55

surface is exactly the thing

19:59

that gives me the relief, that

19:59

everything is cyclical. The ebb

20:03

and flow and nothing lasts

20:03

forever good or bad.

20:07

Right. Right.

20:07

Right. Absolutely. Absolutely.

20:09

agree with that.

20:11

Okay, I do want

20:11

to go back to your story just a

20:14

little bit. Because one of the

20:14

things that you are talking

20:16

about is this idea that, you

20:16

know, your your job was getting

20:20

real sucky. Yes. Yeah. You were

20:20

not happy with it. Right. You

20:25

ended up getting this reading

20:25

and not only getting this

20:29

reading, but like almost gaining

20:29

an obsession. Yeah. At this time

20:35

as well. You met this mentor.

20:35

You sort of navigate the switch.

20:40

It sounds like, it sounds like

20:40

divine timing. Yeah,

20:45

yeah. Yeah. And I,

20:45

when I look back at the

20:49

transits, you know, the plant,

20:49

like what was going on, you

20:51

know, for my chart at the time,

20:51

it was absolutely divine timing

20:56

back then. Which is interesting,

20:56

because we're having sort of the

21:02

inverse, you know, like this,

21:02

like, so like sometimes like, so

21:07

how do you explain it? So, back

21:07

when I decided I wanted to

21:11

become astrologer, we were

21:11

having an eclipse cycle on the

21:14

Gemini and Sagittarius access.

21:14

So, eclipses, we're talking a

21:19

lot about them yesterday, I was

21:19

telling people not to charge you

21:21

the crystals underneath them.

21:21

But eclipses eclipses are game

21:25

changers, you know, like, they

21:25

force us to grow any forces to

21:29

evolve. And when they hit your

21:29

son, you know, because your son

21:32

is your identity, your sun is

21:32

your energy, your sun is who you

21:36

are authentically, right, and

21:36

your ability to feel comfortable

21:40

in your skin. When the eclipses

21:40

land on your sun, you know, it

21:46

forces you to be like, Where am

21:46

I going my shine? You know,

21:50

where am I living in

21:50

authentically? And where do I

21:54

need to start, you know, being

21:54

the real me. And so when that

21:58

was happening back then, you

21:58

know, it really forced me to

22:01

level up and say, like, you

22:01

know, I'm not happy where I am,

22:04

I don't feel like I'm utilizing

22:04

my talents, I feel, you know,

22:07

taken for granted, I feel small,

22:07

like it was just it just like

22:11

the the way the astrology you

22:11

know, the way the stars align

22:15

for me, back then, definitely

22:15

showed me that I needed to step

22:20

it up, you know, and, and then

22:20

and I think that's the thing

22:23

with astrology too, like, it

22:23

shows you the work that you need

22:26

to do and the ways in which you

22:26

need to show up for yourself.

22:29

And it can give you the

22:29

guideline, you know, or like the

22:32

blueprint on how to do that. And

22:32

so we're talking about, like,

22:36

how we're sort of in a similar

22:36

pattern. So like, you know,

22:39

we're we started the Gemini and

22:39

Sagittarius eclipses again. So

22:43

over the next, you know, 18

22:43

months, you know, US savages,

22:48

and Virgos and Pisces and Gemini

22:48

influence people, you know,

22:51

we're going to be coming up for

22:51

new changes, you know, again, so

22:55

So yeah, yeah, definitely

22:55

everything kind of came together

22:58

is definitely a perfect storm.

23:01

Knowing things

23:01

like this eclipse season coming

23:05

up, and that it is on the same

23:05

axis, though opposite of where

23:09

he was previously. Right. Does

23:09

that make you feel? Do you get

23:13

like, anxious? Are you glad? You

23:13

know, do you wish you didn't

23:16

know? Like, how do you feel

23:16

about like, having this sort of

23:20

insight?

23:21

Um, no, it's

23:21

sometimes a gift and a curse?

23:26

Right?

23:26

No, sometimes I do.

23:26

Like when it comes to different

23:31

things, sometimes I do at times,

23:31

need to kind of take the

23:37

astrologers hat off a little bit

23:37

and just kind of allow myself to

23:40

lean into whatever the energy is

23:40

coming out without necessarily

23:44

having to have every step

23:44

planned and plotted out, you

23:48

know, and I would say that

23:48

that's a big been a big theme

23:51

for 2020 it's definitely going

23:51

to be a theme for 2021 for all

23:55

of us when it comes because

23:55

there's a lot of lot more

23:58

changes ahead. I mean, there's

23:58

always change, like changes, the

24:01

only constant I think, but yeah,

24:01

just like this ability to be

24:06

curious and to be open, to be,

24:06

you know, to have some plans in

24:10

place, but to not be so fixated

24:10

on certain outcomes, or so rigid

24:16

in our approach, that we don't

24:16

allow the room for the

24:18

flexibility and that's very

24:18

Gemini and Sagittarius, you

24:21

know, we're the mutable signs,

24:21

you know, of the zodiac gem,

24:24

Gemini, Sagittarius, and Virgo,

24:24

and Pisces, you know, we go with

24:29

the flow and kind of adapt to

24:29

the situation at hand. And that

24:34

I would say, is probably going

24:34

to be the best approach that all

24:37

of us, you know, are going to

24:37

need to take going forward,

24:41

because things are going, you

24:41

know, I mean, you know, you see

24:44

it now, like, every other day is

24:44

an interesting twist, or turn,

24:49

you know, we haven't even gotten

24:49

out of 2020 yet. So, um, I

24:52

think, in terms of, you know,

24:52

like, knowing things, and being

24:58

plugged in is helpful. But I

24:58

also try not to, like I tried

25:02

it, you know, there's a fine

25:02

line that I walk in, and I also

25:05

kind of, like, encourage people,

25:05

like, Don't lean too, too

25:08

heavily on the astrology either,

25:08

you know, like, there, there

25:11

definitely has to be an ability

25:11

to kind of like, go with the

25:15

flow and trust what's happening

25:15

without needing to know every

25:18

single step that's coming up.

25:18

Because, um, and also, sometimes

25:22

you just can't, you know, like,

25:22

sometimes, you know, I've seen

25:25

things that I'm just like, I don't know, I don't know what that means. We'll see what

25:27

happens. You know, like,

25:30

sometimes you have to be very

25:30

honest to about about that kind

25:33

of situation. But yeah,

25:35

for sure. I

25:35

definitely heard of astrologers

25:37

who have to take breaks. From

25:37

her work who have not read any

25:41

more charts or not look and see

25:41

what's happening, because they

25:44

just need to, like, just go with

25:44

their own flow. And I would

25:48

imagine that that diving in

25:48

especially as often as like a

25:51

professional astrologer dies,

25:51

when sometimes require that like

25:55

turning off. Yeah, absolutely,

25:55

just not. And if someone is sort

26:01

of obsessed with reading

26:01

horoscopes, right, there can be

26:04

a sort of giving over of your

26:04

power of your own without really

26:09

leaning into them a little bit

26:09

too much.

26:11

Right? Yeah. Like I

26:11

have had a, you know, some

26:15

situations where I've had people

26:15

email me when they didn't see

26:20

their horoscope or didn't get

26:20

their horoscopes. And I was just

26:23

like, I on one hand, I'm

26:23

flattered, you know, like,

26:27

right, like, and this and this

26:27

happened last year, because I

26:31

had an injury where I had, had

26:31

had a fall and broke my wrist.

26:35

So I couldn't write. And, you

26:35

know, people were telling me

26:38

like, Hey, where's the horoscopes? And I had to be like, I broke my wrist, there's

26:40

a human being behind these

26:42

horoscopes. You know, like, I

26:42

broke my wrist, I injured

26:45

myself. And they're like, Oh,

26:45

you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

26:48

But I'm like, guys. This is

26:48

nothing hidden, unknown, or

26:52

below, I promise you, I promise,

26:52

like, it's okay to just to live

26:57

your to live your life without

26:57

necessarily, you know, having

27:00

been knowing either, you know, so

27:02

for sure. Okay,

27:02

I do want to pick your brain a

27:05

little bit for someone who is

27:05

not as familiar with astrology,

27:09

or someone who, you know, maybe

27:09

who doesn't read horoscopes that

27:12

like, not at some point in their

27:12

life picked up, like even even

27:16

my dad will sometimes go through

27:16

and read horoscopes or, you

27:19

know, talk to me about them on

27:19

the phone, it's very funny, and

27:22

he's not, he doesn't put any

27:22

stock into those kinds of

27:25

things. But wait, there's so

27:25

accessible, that really

27:28

literally everyone has, has

27:28

read, there's I'm sure, at some

27:33

point or another, but I would

27:33

love to hear from you. If If you

27:37

have this on top of your mind,

27:37

like how does it work? Like what

27:40

is happening with the planets

27:40

that like, affects, like, in

27:44

your words, what is the magic

27:44

that is happening, that causes a

27:49

transit to do something or like

27:49

when Pluto is sitting on your

27:52

sun, or whatever it may be like,

27:52

right? How is that working?

27:57

So I guess the best

27:57

way that I can describe it, it

28:01

kind of it kind of goes in

28:01

alignment with that phrase, As

28:05

above, so below. So I think

28:05

that, you know, is human beings

28:11

living here on this planet, you

28:11

know, we're a part of the

28:16

natural order or the natural

28:16

cycle, you know, of life, you

28:18

know, and that also includes

28:18

whatever's going on in the

28:21

heavens, or, you know, out there

28:21

in, you know, in the universe.

28:25

And so when we talk about, like,

28:25

you know, planets, you know,

28:29

things in the horoscope, when

28:29

you're having a transit, I tell

28:32

people that it's not so much

28:32

that the planet is necessarily

28:35

doing anything to you, it's just

28:35

that it's providing a language

28:40

for what is going on in your

28:40

life, you know, it's providing

28:43

some context, you know, in terms

28:43

of what's going on in your life.

28:47

And so, as astrologers what

28:47

we're doing is we're looking at

28:51

the cycles of these planets,

28:51

right? And we're looking at our

28:54

own, you know, and using that

28:54

those cycles to define our own,

28:58

basically. And so when we talk

28:58

about, like, you know, Pluto is,

29:02

you know, fighting with the moon

29:02

or you know, you know, eclipses

29:07

or whatever, we're just giving a

29:07

language to what is happening

29:13

Yujin you basically using, like,

29:13

the natural, you know, order of

29:18

life, essentially. And so I

29:18

think when people are thinking

29:24

about horoscopes or thinking

29:24

about planets, it's important to

29:28

know that we do have some

29:28

freewill, you know, we do have

29:31

some some choice in terms of

29:31

what happens to us. And like I

29:35

said, like, you know, even for

29:35

the things that are outside of

29:37

our control, or things that we

29:37

can't necessarily, you know, do

29:41

anything about. The astrology

29:41

can give us some tool or some

29:45

language on like, how to like,

29:45

what's happening, first of all,

29:48

like, Okay, why do I feel, you

29:48

know, this way? Why is this

29:52

happening? But then also say,

29:52

okay, you know, this is how you

29:57

get through this.

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you hear about us section? I think that's such a great

30:55

definition. And I'll even say

30:59

I've used I wanted, can we talk

30:59

about my Saturn return? Yes.

31:05

Because this for me, my Saturn

31:05

return was probably my first

31:09

intro into astrology. I remember

31:09

someone, one of my clients even

31:14

was like, she was like, how old

31:14

are you? And I was like, 27 and

31:17

just go, there's no returns

31:17

coming or something. I was like,

31:19

What are you even talking about?

31:19

And so I go and Google it. And

31:23

I'm totally entranced. I read

31:23

all about it. And I discover

31:28

that this is like some, you

31:28

know, it could be so amazing

31:30

upheaval that could really

31:30

define who it is that I become

31:33

next, like all of these things.

31:33

And I remember reading that and

31:37

seeing it as an opportunity.

31:37

Right of like, Yes, I could just

31:41

like stay, I could do nothing.

31:41

For sure, I can also take this

31:46

whole like, bit of divine timing

31:46

of you want this, like little

31:50

bit of luck that I've like, had

31:50

this is been brought to my

31:54

consciousness at just the right

31:54

time that I have the ability to

31:58

gain the awareness as to what

31:58

transit is happening, that I can

32:01

actually take it into my own

32:01

hands. And I very consciously

32:05

rearranged my life into more of

32:05

what it is that I wanted it to

32:09

be, whereas you know,

32:09

oftentimes, and even the things

32:12

that I was reading around Saturn

32:12

returns, everything was like,

32:15

you know, it's a very trying

32:15

time, it's going to be so

32:18

difficult, like all these

32:18

things. And I was like, Oh,

32:20

yeah. Let's see what kind of fun

32:20

I can have. And I ended up just

32:26

changing how it was that I was

32:26

working, where it was that I

32:30

lived, how it is that I lived,

32:30

like I, I initiated a fleet

32:36

upheaval and rearrangement of my

32:36

life that really set me on more

32:42

of an aligned path, because I

32:42

knew it was coming, if that

32:47

makes sense. So yeah, another

32:47

way how you can use it, I, I

32:52

don't love the word empowerment.

32:52

And anyone here who's like,

32:55

subscribe to the newsletter

32:55

you've potentially read, I

32:59

probably should probably should turn into a blog post or an episode, because I do have this

33:01

very sincere issue with the word

33:04

empowerment. But I think because

33:04

of the world we live in, for me,

33:09

having that knowledge empowered

33:09

me, right, to make changes to

33:15

see that as this as a time that

33:15

could be like, divinely aligned

33:20

with making some shifts in my

33:20

life that I needed to do. So I

33:24

will say, like, there is this As

33:24

above, so below, that is a

33:28

little bit that can be very just

33:28

cause and effect, but you can

33:33

also be the cause that causes

33:33

the effect with this sort of

33:38

inner knowing. Yeah, however,

33:38

knowing of what's happening.

33:42

Yeah, no,

33:42

absolutely, I absolutely believe

33:45

that we co create with the

33:45

universe, you know, that we're

33:47

that we're co creators.

33:47

Absolutely. And I think that,

33:52

that is that it's importantly,

33:52

you know, astrology kind of

33:54

shows us how we can be, you

33:54

know, and how we can do that, as

34:00

best as we possibly can, you

34:00

know, based on our gifts, you

34:04

know, based on our talents based

34:04

on on who we are just, you know,

34:09

innately. And, you know, my

34:09

Saturn return also was kind of

34:13

like the catalyst for me in

34:13

terms of like becoming a an

34:16

astrologer, you know, like, I'm,

34:16

like, shortly after, I saw the

34:22

white messenger wizard, and it

34:22

was funny because I got a

34:25

promotion at the jobs that I

34:25

hated. And was making more money

34:29

and, you know, do all this. And

34:29

then suddenly, I realized I was

34:32

like, actually hate this, you

34:32

know, like, I actually am not

34:35

happy here. And it was funny

34:35

because we're, I was having my

34:38

Saturn return, it was going

34:38

through both my, my first house,

34:43

which is all about my self

34:43

image, right, and, you know, how

34:46

I'm interacting with the world.

34:46

And then it was going in and it

34:49

starts to go through my second

34:49

house, which is the zone that

34:51

has to do with like, your

34:51

values, you know, and your

34:54

income and like, what you feel

34:54

is most important to us,

34:57

including, like, you know, your

34:57

worth, and Saturn was like, um,

35:01

you know, what you use, are you

35:01

happy, like, this is what you

35:05

really want and I was like, No,

35:05

and you know, it, you know,

35:11

Saturn you know, pushed me you

35:11

know, to do that to do that

35:16

work. And you know, and that's

35:16

kind of like a thing too, like

35:18

we talked about like the

35:18

difficult transits you know, or

35:21

the difficult you know,

35:21

astrology, you can let go, you

35:25

know, or you could be dragged,

35:25

you know, you have an option.

35:30

That is such a

35:30

good design that you can let go

35:33

or be dragged 100% right choice.

35:33

You have choice. Wonderful.

35:39

Okay, so I want to go into then

35:39

this idea of divine timing or

35:45

luck. Because I do think that

35:45

those are just like other terms

35:52

for lots of things, honestly.

35:52

But how do you and maybe you

35:57

even began touching on this with

35:57

this idea of as above? So below,

36:00

but maybe my question really is,

36:00

how can we work with that? Like,

36:05

what does it look like to lean

36:05

into letting things happen? Do

36:10

you need to be reading astrology

36:10

a lot? Or do you just Is there

36:13

something else that you need to

36:13

be doing? Like, what is it? What

36:16

does it look like for you to

36:16

show up for luck, or put

36:18

yourself in the place of luck,

36:18

or otherwise, like, expose

36:22

yourself to divine timing?

36:25

I think I think

36:25

it's a combination of like, of

36:29

head and heart, basically,

36:29

right? So many, so many of us.

36:32

And I find myself talking about

36:32

this too, a lot with clients,

36:36

because so many of us are split

36:36

into, you know, like, our head

36:40

says one thing or heart says

36:40

another, and we can never really

36:43

get them in agreement. And what

36:43

I've found is that the way in

36:47

which we align those two sides

36:47

of us really has to do with

36:52

listening to what our heart is

36:52

telling us, right? So if we're

36:54

not happy about something, or

36:54

maybe there's something that

36:56

excites us, and we're like, oh,

36:56

wow, look, I want to go after

36:59

this thing, or I want to do this

36:59

thing, then we have to get our

37:03

head behind it by saying, Okay,

37:03

this is possible, right? Or,

37:06

okay, this is the, you know, the

37:06

the hard decision that I need to

37:12

make in order for me to get to

37:12

this, this good place, or this

37:17

or this, or this nice place,

37:17

right? So that's usually how I

37:21

see it, it's about kind of, you

37:21

know, having the expectation,

37:25

right, that good things can

37:25

happen, or that good things can

37:30

come to you that you're

37:30

deserving that you're worthy

37:32

that, you know, life has, like,

37:32

lots of good things to offer.

37:36

And then the other side of it

37:36

is, you know, actively putting

37:41

in the work, right? So it kind

37:41

of, it kind of reminds me of

37:46

this Bible verse, which, you

37:46

know, I'm glad this is meta,

37:52

meta Sagittarius, I'm sorry.

37:52

Sagittarius, you know, where was

37:56

preaching from the pulpit

37:56

somehow. Or another magical

38:02

Carpet Ride, but it reminds me

38:02

of the, the idea that faith

38:08

without works is dead, right?

38:08

You know, so it's like, you

38:12

can't have the dream, right, or

38:12

you can't have like this belief

38:15

or this expectation, without

38:15

putting in some work behind it.

38:19

And so the, it's kind of like a

38:19

comp, like a combination. So you

38:23

put in the work with the

38:23

expectation that that work is

38:28

going to pay off, or that or

38:28

that thing is going to come

38:30

true. So it's kind of it's kind

38:30

of it kind of goes hand in hand.

38:33

And that's usually like the way

38:33

that I tried to approach life

38:37

too. Because I have my moments

38:37

to where I'm like, I need this

38:40

thing to happen, or I want this

38:40

thing to happen. Or if it

38:42

doesn't happen, I you know,

38:42

like, or whatever, or like, What

38:44

is this thing? You know, did

38:44

this, this thing gonna be over?

38:47

You know, I get I can get quite

38:47

impatient and quite willful, you

38:50

know, again, I don't like to

38:50

take no for an answer, right.

38:53

But, but but at the same time,

38:53

I'm kind of I, you know, I, I

38:58

try to practice what I preach.

38:58

And I try to say that, like, you

39:01

know, if I'm doing the work, if

39:01

I'm showing up, if I'm having

39:03

the expectation that things will

39:03

work out, eventually, then

39:09

that's the energy that I need to

39:09

constantly like, lean into. So

39:12

the minute that we start, you

39:12

know, trying to control every

39:16

aspect of our life, the minute

39:16

that we are doubting, you know,

39:21

or being like, Oh, that's not

39:21

going to happen, or Oh, I

39:24

shouldn't try or, you know, the

39:24

minute that we put like fear or

39:28

desperation onto things, that's

39:28

usually where we're out of

39:31

alignment, you know, or, or, you

39:31

know, we're just kind of, we're

39:35

in that sort of that, that

39:35

fractured, you know, sort of

39:39

place, you know, but the minute

39:39

that we say, you know, no, I'm

39:43

gonna I'm going to do the work

39:43

and trust that the universe has

39:47

my best interests at heart, you

39:47

know, regardless of how things

39:51

turn out, is because sometimes,

39:51

you know, that things that

39:54

quote, unquote, bad things that

39:54

happen could sometimes be

39:57

blessings in disguise, you know,

39:57

the mean, or the redirect that

40:00

we need in order to get back on

40:00

the path, you know, that we're

40:04

supposed to be on. So, you know,

40:04

like, you were saying, like,

40:07

there's no such thing as like,

40:07

it was good or bad, or, you

40:10

know, negative and all of that.

40:10

It's just experiences, you know,

40:14

that we're having in this body

40:14

in this lifetime. And so when I

40:19

think about that in context to

40:19

you know, luck or timing, I

40:25

think part of it is what we do

40:25

and the energy that we're

40:28

putting into things and also the

40:28

expectation of things, you know,

40:33

to come.

40:35

I agree with all

40:35

of this. I often think that You

40:39

make your own luck, right, which

40:39

is very similar to what you'd

40:42

like you have to show up, you

40:42

have to put yourself in that

40:45

place, you have to put in the

40:45

hours, you have to like, you

40:47

have to be there, you have to go

40:47

to luck, you have to make that

40:51

journey, right? You have to put

40:51

yourself in a place where you

40:54

can like meet that mentor or get

40:54

that opportunity or you know,

40:57

meet that person, whatever it

40:57

may be. Oftentimes, I'll hear

41:01

people get lucky, or like, gray

41:01

ever gonna come to me, whatever.

41:05

Usually those people are the

41:05

people who are just like,

41:07

sitting on their couch

41:07

scrolling, or whatever it may be

41:10

like they're not, they're not

41:10

making their own luck. They're

41:13

not showing up for it. So it

41:13

doesn't matter what's happening

41:16

in the planets.

41:17

Right, right, right,

41:19

or any of those

41:19

things. If you're not up, like

41:22

engaging and contributing and

41:22

showing up and all of those

41:27

things. Nothing is going to be

41:27

happening in your life, there is

41:30

a co creation

41:33

absolutely, like

41:33

one of my favorite examples to

41:36

use with that is like, you know,

41:36

when people talk about oh, you

41:39

know, I want to find love. Okay,

41:39

so what are you doing to find

41:43

love? Like, are you going out

41:43

and meeting new people? Are you

41:46

you know, socializing? Like, are

41:46

you doing things that are going

41:49

to put you in the path of like,

41:49

your next partner, you know, are

41:53

you staying home, you know, are

41:53

you avoiding people? Are you

41:58

energetically closed off? You

41:58

know, with that, because you're

42:01

like, I don't want what has

42:01

happened in the past. That

42:03

happened to me again, you know,

42:03

and so it's like, you can have

42:07

all these wonderful transits.

42:07

You know what I mean? Oh, my

42:10

God, like, I've looked at

42:10

people's charts before and been

42:12

like, oh, because this this is,

42:12

this is great. That's why it's

42:15

coming. But unless you actually

42:15

do something with it, it'll

42:19

definitely go to waste. For

42:19

sure.

42:22

Okay. Yeah,

42:22

let's turn this then towards

42:24

business. Because I feel like

42:24

we've set up this really great

42:28

foundation of how this works and

42:28

what you have to do and all

42:31

these things. But what if it

42:31

What does this mean for

42:34

business? And maybe even the

42:34

direction I want to take us in

42:39

is, what sort of things do we

42:39

need to look out for? How do we

42:43

need to show up? Like if we are

42:43

looking at our at our

42:45

horoscopes? Like, what are those

42:45

real juicy times for those, like

42:48

creative business owners of us?

42:48

What does it look like, in

42:53

application to your work?

42:56

Yes. So one of the

42:56

things I guess this, this is a

43:01

perfect example. So like

43:01

retrogrades, for example, right?

43:05

Um, a lot of people fear

43:05

retrogrades. When you hear about

43:08

retrogrades, you know, mercury,

43:08

or Venus or Mars, like Mars is

43:12

retrograde right now. Mercury's

43:12

going retrograde in a couple of

43:16

days, you know, people freak

43:16

out. Because retrogrades

43:21

technically are known for making

43:21

things the energy very wonky,

43:24

because retrogrades are for

43:24

revisiting the past and not

43:28

about moving forward. Right. So

43:28

one of the things that I tell

43:32

people, especially like business

43:32

owners, because, you know, we

43:35

were, I think we're a different

43:35

breed, and in the sense that,

43:38

we're always just trying to,

43:38

like, hit that next goal, that

43:40

next target, you know, like, I

43:40

gotta make this happen, you

43:43

know, because if I don't make this happen, I don't, you know, like, we're constantly, you

43:45

know, in this very forward

43:47

thinking place, and I think on

43:47

the one hand, it's a great

43:50

thing, because, you know, it

43:50

gives us the ability, you know,

43:53

we have the preparation, and,

43:53

you know, that foresight and

43:56

like that, you know, the

43:56

imagination, that vision, you

43:59

know, to keep, you know, to keep

43:59

moving, but you know, again,

44:03

everything goes in a cycle. So

44:03

there are times we do need to

44:07

slow down, we do need to like

44:07

revisit, we need to do need to

44:10

go backwards a bit to kind of

44:10

reorient ourselves, right and

44:17

kind of figure out, okay, should

44:17

I be doing this is this does

44:21

this make sense, you know, maybe

44:21

this, I need to revise or update

44:24

this, or, you know, maybe this

44:24

doesn't work, I just need to

44:27

completely let this go. And then

44:27

you know, when we have a clearer

44:30

idea of, you know, what the game

44:30

plan is going to be, when the

44:35

planet starts to talk turn

44:35

forward again, then we can start

44:39

to go forward to, you know, with

44:39

a, with a clear head and with a

44:42

clear mind in terms of like what

44:42

we're going to do next. So I

44:45

would say like, you know, in

44:45

terms of like, retrogrades try

44:49

not to fear them, the best way

44:49

to work with them is to slow

44:53

down and to think about what

44:53

you're going to do first, you

44:58

know, don't try not to have that

44:58

like FOMO, you know, the fear of

45:02

missing out, you know, you're

45:02

not really missing out on

45:05

anything. And that also has to

45:05

do with the timing too, right?

45:08

Everything happens when it's

45:08

supposed to happen, not when we

45:11

necessarily think it's going to

45:11

happen, right? So if you're if

45:15

you're finding yourself coming

45:15

up against like, delays and you

45:19

know, you know, quote, unquote,

45:19

missed opportunities or, or

45:24

things that just seemed like

45:24

they're not coming together when

45:27

you when when you think that

45:27

they're supposed to, you know,

45:30

it probably more than likely,

45:30

you know, especially because

45:33

this year has been a year full

45:33

of retrogrades. You know,

45:36

probably wouldn't likely it's just not the right timing for it. In must, you know,

45:38

especially when we talk about

45:41

like a Mercury Retrograde

45:41

because Mercury Retrograde tends

45:44

to happen a lot more frequently

45:44

we tend to be, they tend to be a

45:47

lot more noticeable on than I

45:47

say, they're obviously like, any

45:51

of the other planets. Although

45:51

when Venus and Mars go

45:54

retrograde, which they don't do

45:54

very often, that that energy

45:58

tends to be also noticeable as

45:58

well. But like, for right now,

46:03

you know, especially as we go in

46:03

deeper into, or as we're

46:06

finishing out, 2020 like, we're

46:06

deeper, no, we need to need to

46:11

close out between

46:14

Dig ourselves out of that hole, please.

46:16

Right. Right. So,

46:16

um, so yeah, so as we close out

46:21

2020, um, it's really going to

46:21

be important that we take it

46:26

slowly, you know, and not try to

46:26

like speed through things or,

46:32

you know, rush things or

46:32

overcommit or, or even beat

46:37

ourselves up, because we were

46:37

not at 100%, you know, this

46:43

year, in general, energetically

46:43

has been incredibly tough on

46:46

everyone. And I think it's

46:46

important for all the bosses to

46:50

have some self compassion, you

46:50

know, and to be very gentle with

46:55

ourselves. Because I mean, you

46:55

know, we're all kind of going

46:59

through this collective trauma,

46:59

you know, and it requires, it

47:06

requires a certain amount of

47:06

healing in time and space, and

47:13

strengthen in all of these

47:13

things, and, you know, to get

47:16

through it, and sometimes that

47:16

means that you just might not be

47:19

able to send out that

47:19

newsletter, this week, you know,

47:22

you might not be able to meet

47:22

that client, you know, tomorrow,

47:25

you might not be able to get

47:25

these emails out, you know, at a

47:28

certain time, or, or whatever,

47:28

whatever the case may be. And so

47:32

I would say like, if things feel

47:32

slow, if things feel

47:35

frustrating, you know, it's not

47:35

going to be forever, but to

47:40

really take that time to slow

47:40

down, and to sort of redirect

47:45

your energy into some things,

47:45

especially, you know, because

47:49

Mars, you know, the Mars

47:49

retrograde is going to be going

47:51

on until November 13. And Mars

47:51

is energy that is about

47:55

motivation, that's about like,

47:55

you know, keeping us moving,

47:59

essentially. And when Mars is

47:59

retro, it's not a time for like

48:03

that full word, you know, hard

48:03

driving momentum, it's a time

48:06

for slowing down, taking a

48:06

break, taking a breather, you

48:11

know, again, redirecting your

48:11

energy into other things that

48:15

might need your attention right

48:15

now, as opposed to, you know,

48:18

that email or that newsletter,

48:18

or that, you know, particular

48:22

thing. So, that's my huge

48:22

advice, I think, when it comes

48:27

to timing for, for bosses, not

48:27

to not to force things, you

48:32

know, like, sometimes we need

48:32

that, that stop, that's that

48:36

that big, glaring stop sign, you

48:36

know, in front of us. Because

48:40

you never know, like it, it can

48:40

help you with taking better care

48:44

of yourself. It can help you to

48:44

discover something or see things

48:49

in a different light that you

48:49

might not have seen before. It

48:52

could help you millage, let's

48:52

say, for example, you decide not

48:57

to take that client and decide

48:57

and said, I'm going to meet with

49:00

a therapist, you know, that you

49:00

don't like that meeting with the

49:04

therapist could then catapult

49:04

you into something else, you

49:08

know, like, maybe you get some

49:08

advice that you can take back

49:11

into your business that can

49:11

actually you know, help you to

49:14

flourish, you know, it really is

49:14

about honoring that sort of

49:19

intuitive, more receptive, more

49:19

going with the flow energy as

49:25

opposed to like, all of that,

49:25

like very enough. And that's

49:28

also Venus to like, Venus is

49:28

receptive, Venus is attractive.

49:32

Venus doesn't fight to get what

49:32

she wants, because she knows

49:36

that she's the shit. So it's

49:36

going to come to her anyway.

49:39

Right? Mars is a little bit

49:39

different. Mars is like, I'm

49:42

gonna, you know, I'll murder

49:42

people if I have to. And to get

49:45

my way. And that's not to say

49:45

that Mars is it useful because

49:49

we need more as you know, when

49:49

it comes to like, you know,

49:51

being motivated or standing up

49:51

for things or you know, that

49:54

kind of stuff, like Mars helps

49:54

us to get shit done. But Venus,

49:58

you know, which is kind of tied

49:58

to the feminine principle is

50:03

really about letting things flow

50:03

to you and letting things come

50:06

to you and not having to fight

50:06

and, and scrap and hustle for

50:11

every single thing that you get.

50:11

And is, you know, that really

50:16

lies in that ability to kind of

50:16

like take a breather, Take a

50:19

chill, listening to your body

50:19

doing things that are

50:22

pleasurable, you know, because

50:22

when we're in a space of

50:24

pleasure, that raises our

50:24

magnetic, you know, a vibration

50:28

to help us like with attracting

50:28

things that we want. So I would

50:33

say that is where I would really

50:33

go With that,

50:40

with astrology,

50:40

there really is so many places

50:43

you can go on a given topic. I

50:43

think that is a beautiful, I

50:48

think that is a beautiful set of

50:48

ideas and astrological

50:53

comparisons. Because one of the

50:53

a couple of things, one, this

50:58

idea that retrogrades are like

50:58

they're happening, right? It's

51:03

happening in the, in the

51:03

planets. Why isn't it happening

51:07

within us? Right, this idea of

51:07

like this time when we're

51:11

slowing down, we're being retro

51:11

sprang from, literally

51:14

retrospective. retrospective.

51:14

We're revisiting things you

51:20

mentioned, like it gives us It

51:20

gives us a chance to take care

51:23

of ourselves. But in terms of

51:23

business, like let's think about

51:26

Mercury, Mercury Retrograde,

51:26

which in a second, I would love

51:29

to know if you have any thoughts

51:29

around why mercury retrogrades

51:33

are so in our consciousness

51:33

right now, like, so we'll get to

51:37

that in a second. Okay. But this

51:37

idea of mercury retrograde is

51:39

giving us an opportunity to go

51:39

back and look at our systems

51:42

around how it is that we

51:42

communicate, like, right, like,

51:45

what if we literally just took

51:45

Mercury Retrograde not as a time

51:48

to send newsletters, but as a

51:48

time to sit back and take a look

51:53

at how we've been sending

51:53

newsletters and if it's actually

51:56

the best way in which we need to

51:56

communicate with our people,

51:58

right? We can almost use these

51:58

as times to really, to really

52:03

look back and make stronger in a

52:03

way the things that we're

52:07

building. I will say to Mercury

52:07

Retrograde has gotten such a bad

52:11

rap lately. Yeah, I was born

52:11

with mercury retrograde and I

52:15

love mercury retro.

52:17

I know I was born

52:17

with mercury retrograde too,

52:19

right. And so,

52:19

love that. So too, and I think

52:22

I've heard that like a quarter

52:22

of the population is born under

52:26

a Mercury Retrograde or

52:26

something if I'm not mistaken,

52:30

like how much of a year is

52:30

covered in a Mercury Retrograde

52:33

a quarter a third?

52:34

Um, probably a

52:34

quarter because mercury goes

52:39

retrograde about three times a

52:39

year. So we start this we open a

52:43

year with the mercury

52:43

retrograde, then there's a

52:46

Mercury retrograde in the summer

52:46

and then there's one like in the

52:50

fall winter. So yeah,

52:53

so about a

52:53

quarter of the population then

52:56

is born under retrograde. And

52:56

yet we're all told to despise it

53:00

for Yes, yeah. retrograde is

53:00

when we can be like we can

53:04

finally communicate the most

53:04

clearly.

53:06

Yes, yes, yes.

53:06

Yeah. Yeah. I always like it's

53:10

always funny because when

53:10

mercury retrogrades happen, I

53:14

rarely have issues. But it isn't

53:14

until mercury starts to go

53:18

forward again, that's when I

53:18

start to get things because I'm

53:21

not like I'm naturally a Mercury

53:21

Retrograde person. Like, that's

53:24

my that's my wheelhouse. You

53:24

know, like, that's my damn Yeah,

53:28

yeah, I often

53:28

find that when Mercury is direct

53:31

I, anyone, especially anyone

53:31

who's here who usually does live

53:35

things with me, sometimes I have

53:35

a hard time turning my thoughts

53:38

into words. Or like literally,

53:38

sometimes I play let's fill in

53:41

Emily's blanks with the people

53:41

here and they'll like type in

53:45

the words that I'm missing in

53:45

the chat box because they

53:48

understand what I'm saying. I

53:48

just can't say it out my mouth.

53:51

Um, but during Mercury

53:51

Retrograde that's less of a

53:55

thing. Like my ability to

53:55

process thoughts and words is

53:58

significantly better whenever it

53:58

is in retrograde, because that's

54:02

how I am personally wired. So I

54:02

will say I would encourage

54:07

everyone to like, really think

54:07

about your position on Mercury

54:10

Retrograde, don't just take the

54:10

conditioning of like, modern,

54:14

you know, blog posts. Write that

54:14

you should conduct yourselves.

54:20

But I will say is don't sign

54:20

contracts under Mercury

54:23

Retrograde. Like I understand

54:23

that in the world, Mercury is

54:27

still retrograde. And I'm not

54:27

going to do things like signing

54:29

contracts or making big deals

54:29

and those kinds of things during

54:32

that time.

54:33

Right, right. Yes,

54:33

yes. Yeah. Well, I would even

54:36

say to like when it comes to

54:36

contracts, because sometimes

54:40

sometimes they're a little you

54:40

can't put them off. Like, you

54:43

know, like, sometimes it's

54:43

pressing, like you have to sign

54:46

or you have to make that

54:46

agreement. And I would just say

54:50

just be very clear on what it is

54:50

that you're signing, you know,

54:52

like when it comes to

54:52

retrogrades especially Mercury,

54:54

because Mercury is about

54:54

communication and, you know,

54:58

details and facts and figures

54:58

and, you know, being very, you

55:03

know, being very, very clear,

55:03

you know about what it is that

55:07

you're saying and doing and so I

55:07

would just say like if you do

55:09

find yourself having to sign you

55:09

know, a lease or an agreement or

55:14

a contract or anything of that

55:14

nature. During a Mercury Mercury

55:18

Retrograde, just make sure that

55:18

you're very clear on what it is

55:22

that you're that you're signing

55:22

or getting into and that maybe

55:25

there is room for being a

55:25

renegotiation or, you know, like

55:31

an update or something like that

55:31

if if it comes up if it's

55:35

necessary.

55:36

Perfect,

55:36

completely agreed. And I think I

55:38

also love that I get to work

55:38

with people who all get Mercury

55:41

Retrograde. So there have

55:41

literally been times I'm like,

55:43

literally, I'm gonna sign this

55:43

in like two weeks. I agree with

55:47

everything but just hold off and

55:47

they're like, Oh, yeah,

55:50

Mercury's in retrograde, right.

55:50

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. No, I love

55:54

it. I love how, you know, it's

55:54

become a little bit more

55:57

popular, you know, for people to

55:57

say like, oh, let's hold off or

56:01

Let's wait or let's come back to

56:01

this, you know, after the

56:04

retrograde. And that makes me

56:04

happy as an astrologer because

56:07

I'm like, Okay, now you're

56:07

speaking my language. Yeah,

56:11

right. You're getting my it's

56:11

not just speaking, you're

56:14

actually getting my language is

56:14

wonderful, then I would love to

56:18

go back to that question then of

56:18

like, why do you think that

56:24

maybe one horoscopes and really

56:24

astrology has actually served a

56:29

huge purpose in the shaping of

56:29

our world, right? Like, think

56:33

about all of the world leaders

56:33

in the past who have had

56:36

astrologers as part of their as

56:36

part of their support teams, and

56:39

like, some of them killed their

56:39

astrologers, once they were

56:42

found out like that was also a

56:42

thing. But it's, it has always

56:48

been such a huge part of, of

56:48

humans like traversing the

56:55

world. One, what are your

56:55

thoughts are around that if you

56:59

have any? And two, why do you

56:59

think it's coming up so much in

57:03

the consciousness now, or maybe

57:03

even like all of this Whoo,

57:06

stuff in general, Taro or

57:06

crystals and all those, but I

57:09

also feel like astrology is

57:09

becoming more and more

57:12

accessible and approachable than

57:12

ever before. And part of that

57:16

being like everyone says it was

57:16

mercury in retrograde these

57:19

days, like, everyone has that

57:19

bit of language? Where do you

57:23

think it's coming up so much in

57:23

the consciousness of, of the

57:26

world at the moment,

57:28

I think it has a

57:28

lot to do with how much

57:32

uncertainty there is in the

57:32

world right now. And I think it

57:35

also has to do with the

57:35

generation that's gravitating

57:41

towards it, right. So we know

57:41

that a lot of millennials are

57:44

gravitating towards astrology

57:44

using it. And I think a lot of

57:49

it has to do with the fact that

57:49

it just gives them more, like I

57:55

was saying before, like, it just

57:55

gives them more tools to

57:58

utilize, you know, as opposed to

57:58

maybe some other like traditions

58:04

or faith where it makes you feel

58:04

like everything that's going on

58:10

is your fault. You know, or that

58:10

you're responsible for your

58:14

failures. And, you know, you

58:14

know, like, you're the, like I

58:20

said, like a victim, you know,

58:20

have some sort of unseen force,

58:23

you know, or things that are

58:23

outside of your control, like,

58:25

Oh, well, you know, this is just

58:25

the way it is kind of thing. And

58:29

I think that astrology does kind

58:29

of show people that they have

58:32

more power, you know, like, No,

58:32

you don't have to just sit there

58:36

and take it, no, is not

58:36

necessarily your fault. You

58:39

know, and I think that that's a

58:39

huge thing, too, especially for

58:43

folks who might not have like,

58:43

access to certain resources, you

58:48

know, or access to certain

58:48

things that other people might

58:53

have more access to. And I think

58:53

it's important to recognize

58:59

it's, it's kind of kind of goes

58:59

both ways of kind of saying,

59:02

like, it's not your fault that

59:02

you're in this position or where

59:05

you are, but you also have some

59:05

leverage, like the stars can

59:10

show you like, you know, there

59:10

is a way that you can change

59:13

things, you know, or there's a

59:13

way that you can, like, navigate

59:16

out of this space or or navigate

59:16

into better spaces, right. And I

59:22

think that historically, the

59:22

reason why astrology has lasted

59:26

this long, right, because it's

59:26

been around for centuries. It's

59:30

an ancient, you know, practice.

59:30

And it keeps coming back in ways

59:35

because I think it's the thing

59:35

when it works, you know, you

59:39

know it there's something

59:39

actually to this, but I think it

59:42

also has to do with like, how

59:42

much it gives people in terms of

59:47

like being like the the masters

59:47

of like, their own domain.

59:52

I agree. I agree

59:52

with every bit of that. And I

59:55

love what April is saying over

59:55

here, that it's not your fault,

59:59

but it is your current reality,

59:59

right? Yeah. Yeah, like

1:00:03

astrology does a great job of

1:00:03

like giving you some context of

1:00:07

what it is that you may be

1:00:07

experiencing. And I think you're

1:00:09

right to it gives you options,

1:00:09

we may not have like, totally

1:00:14

grasp that you had options,

1:00:14

right. It gives you some options

1:00:18

and I think language to for

1:00:18

dealing with whatever it is that

1:00:21

you may be undergoing at any

1:00:21

given moment. Yes, yes,

1:00:26

absolutely. Okay, so to wrap

1:00:26

this up, I would love to know if

1:00:31

if you see anything on the

1:00:31

horizon that bosses should be

1:00:34

considering, like what is

1:00:34

happening in the plans over the

1:00:36

next couple of weeks or months.

1:00:36

If you you're not too afraid to

1:00:40

share, I'm also like a little

1:00:40

afraid of even asking this

1:00:42

question. But almost if you

1:00:42

could give us like maybe a

1:00:45

little horoscope, like, what

1:00:45

should we be looking for? What,

1:00:47

what? What may be happening?

1:00:47

Should we hide?

1:00:53

I, Oh, goodness

1:00:53

gracious. Um, I would say. So we

1:00:56

still have a quite of a lot of

1:00:56

gnarly sky to get through

1:01:00

between now. And the end of the

1:01:00

year. When we get to November,

1:01:05

Eclipse season is going to start

1:01:05

up again and Eclipse season.

1:01:09

between November there's a big

1:01:09

Eclipse on November 30. And

1:01:13

there's another Eclipse on

1:01:13

December 14, those Gemini saj

1:01:17

eclipses that I was talking

1:01:17

about. and Eclipse season in

1:01:20

general can be very anxiety

1:01:20

inducing, you know, it can also

1:01:24

drain your energy, because the

1:01:24

sun and the moon are getting

1:01:28

together for kind of like a big

1:01:28

cosmic download, if you if you

1:01:33

will, where the energy is just

1:01:33

really charged, you know, and

1:01:37

the reason why is because

1:01:37

there's a big change in

1:01:40

transition that's coming coming

1:01:40

through. And so I would say, you

1:01:45

know, with all the changes that

1:01:45

are coming through the twists

1:01:49

and turns, you know, the

1:01:49

retrogrades and, you know,

1:01:52

trying to navigate it all, I

1:01:52

think this is really a time,

1:01:56

like I said, to not push too

1:01:56

hard right now, um, you know, do

1:02:00

what you can, I would also

1:02:00

advise, like, maybe scheduling,

1:02:04

if you can, maybe scheduling

1:02:04

some time off around the

1:02:08

eclipses, just to kind of give

1:02:08

yourself a break, like I blocked

1:02:12

out like that week, you know,

1:02:12

for both, because I'm like, I,

1:02:16

you know, I'm getting a clip. So

1:02:16

you know, if your chart is

1:02:20

getting your chart gets heavily

1:02:20

eclipsed, it does zap your

1:02:24

energy. So you know, it's good

1:02:24

to kind of take off that week,

1:02:28

or, you know, or those couple of

1:02:28

days, that surrounding Eclipse,

1:02:33

so November 30, market calendar,

1:02:33

Eclipse in Gemini, and it's the

1:02:37

lunar eclipse, full moon

1:02:37

Eclipse, so that's really a lot

1:02:41

of energy coming in. And then on

1:02:41

December 14 is a solar eclipse a

1:02:45

new moon, in Sagittarius. So try

1:02:45

to take it easy, you know, this

1:02:50

is a good time for doing things

1:02:50

that have meditative quality,

1:02:54

you know, or therapeutic quality

1:02:54

to it. Because anytime we talk

1:02:58

about eclipses in Gemini and

1:02:58

saj, they tend to really fry the

1:03:02

nervous system. So, um, try to

1:03:02

Yeah, try to try to take it as

1:03:07

low as possible, and use these

1:03:07

delays or these roadblocks, as,

1:03:11

like the breaks that you need,

1:03:11

you know, like you use them as,

1:03:15

as the moments to kind of take a

1:03:15

moment and chill. But I will say

1:03:20

that in terms of like,

1:03:20

harnessing the energy and ways

1:03:23

that you can use it, this is a

1:03:23

great time for studying new

1:03:27

things, you know, learning new

1:03:27

skills, because anytime we talk

1:03:31

about Gemini and Sach, it's the

1:03:31

axis of learning and knowledge.

1:03:36

So, Sagittarius is associated

1:03:36

with travel, and we can't really

1:03:40

travel right now, but we can

1:03:40

learn. So you know, this is a

1:03:44

great time to sign up for

1:03:44

classes, it's a great, great

1:03:48

time to brush up on your skills

1:03:48

or to learn some new skills that

1:03:52

you can add to your your

1:03:52

toolset. This is a great time

1:03:56

for connecting and networking

1:03:56

and meeting new people and, you

1:04:00

know, building your community

1:04:00

and building like, you know,

1:04:04

teams like teams, you know, and

1:04:04

collaborating with folks, this

1:04:08

is a great time for that. And

1:04:08

it's also a great time to just

1:04:12

like, like I said to to kind of

1:04:12

like be flexible. So you know,

1:04:16

you can have your game plan and

1:04:16

you can have your vision for

1:04:21

things that you want to see

1:04:21

happen. But try not to be so

1:04:24

attached to it was also like

1:04:24

fixated on it, that you don't

1:04:28

make room for some of the other

1:04:28

things that might come in

1:04:32

because it could actually be

1:04:32

things that could actually get

1:04:36

you to where you want to go

1:04:36

quicker. So yeah,

1:04:39

wonderful. Thank

1:04:39

you so much for that. I hope

1:04:42

that everyone takes that, listen

1:04:42

to it, embrace it, see and find

1:04:47

the opportunity. And otherwise rest.

1:04:50

Yes, please do.

1:04:50

Yes, I have. I have four

1:04:53

retrograde planets in my chart.

1:04:53

So that's why I'm always like,

1:04:57

and you know, telling people,

1:04:57

the Ministry of rest.

1:05:01

Same same, I

1:05:01

think well, you and I need to do

1:05:04

a chart comparison, I think yeah.

1:05:07

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

1:05:10

Wonderful Mecca.

1:05:10

Where can people find more about

1:05:14

you?

1:05:15

Sure. You can find

1:05:15

me on my website at my life

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Perfect And my

1:05:43

last question for you Mecca. wh

1:05:47

t makes you feel most bos

1:05:49

What makes me feel

1:05:49

most boss um when

1:05:56

I love when

1:05:56

people giggle like that before

1:05:59

they tell me I can't wait to hear

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I think I think

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okay so we started out talking

1:06:04

about my my my earring choices

1:06:04

and you know what when I'm when

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I'm looking good, that makes me

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feel boss that makes me feel

1:06:12

really confident. I'm a Leo

1:06:12

rising so I need I need to

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fashion chart in the chart. No,

1:06:16

I'm just living Machado. So

1:06:21

yeah, that's that's what makes

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me feel.

1:06:25

I love that.

1:06:25

Thank you so much mecca for

1:06:27

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1:06:29

Thank you. Thank

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you. It's my pleasure. And thank

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