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Welcome to Being Boss, a podcast for creatives,

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business owners, and entrepreneurs who want to take control

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of their work and live life on their own terms.

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I'm your host, Emily Thompson, and in this

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episode, I'm joined again by my friends,

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Erica Corday and Tasha L. Harrison,

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as they interview me on the end

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of this podcast, including the

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hardships of deciding to quit and

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the future of being boss and what I'll

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be up to next. You can find all

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the tools, books, and links we reference on the show

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notes at www.beingboss.club.

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And if you like this episode, be

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sure to subscribe to this show and share us with

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a friend. Erica

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Corday is a DEI coach and co-host

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of the Paul's in the Play podcast. Her leadership

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has helped hundreds of individuals define

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their values, diversify their networks, and

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call people into conversations about

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inclusivity and individuality. Tasha

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L. Harrison is a romance author and creator

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of the hashtag 20K in 5 Days Writing Challenge

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and WordMakers, a writing community

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where authors come together to do the writing work.

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Both Tasha and Erica have been here on the show a

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number of times, both together and

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separately. If you want to catch up

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on them and their stories, check out their previous

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appearances on the show notes or

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in the show notes for this episode

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at www.beingboss.club.

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Welcome, the

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two of you, to the last

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guest-filled episode of

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the regular, as we know it,

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Being Boss podcast, where

1:33

I mentioned in the last episode you both have

1:36

basically promised to make me cry, though you say

1:38

that's not what happened. Oh my

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gosh. Bingo, I know. I'm just kidding. Spreading

1:43

lies. I do have tissues.

1:44

You know what she's doing? She's trying to

1:48

bolster herself against whatever's coming. I

1:50

am. Yep. Absolutely. So

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the goal for this episode is to have my

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two business besties, and I think this

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is even maybe an important one. sort of thing

2:01

to say or thing to point out is Kathleen

2:03

and I were wrapping up our

2:05

official business partnership. I found myself

2:08

unable to go to her with like

2:10

the stuff, right? Like she was the

2:12

stuff or like what was happening in the company

2:14

was the stuff and it felt unfair. She was getting out all

2:16

the things. So I wanted to give her some space.

2:19

Ended up becoming a business

2:21

bestie relationship with Tasha and Erica

2:24

about the same time. It wasn't like a purposeful like, Oh,

2:26

I'm losing this one. Let me go find two more. We're like,

2:28

as Kathleen was sort of moving into her thing,

2:31

Tasha and Eric and I were connecting

2:33

mostly about crystals and shadow work. If we're

2:35

being the most honest, we can. Yeah.

2:39

Right. And so for the past

2:42

three, four years, you

2:44

guys have been my business

2:46

bestie and you have been through

2:48

me through or been through.

2:49

Whoa. Wow.

2:53

Freudian slip there. It's not like

2:55

that, y'all. No, no, no, no, no.

2:59

It's not. It's not. You

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have been with me through the transition

3:03

with Kathleen through all of the pandemic

3:06

stuff through sort of making the decision,

3:08

the long decision

3:10

to end

3:11

the Bing Boss podcast and

3:13

all of the little things between. So I felt

3:16

it really only right

3:18

that the two of you be the ones

3:20

here sort of getting this part

3:23

out of me. The idea here was

3:25

for you to interview me

3:28

on this process of, I'm

3:30

going to call it quitting for

3:33

the purpose. That's sort of a gross

3:35

word to most, but I don't want it to be

3:37

a gross word on this process

3:40

of quitting and what that's been

3:42

like and whatever else. So I sent you guys

3:44

a couple of questions. I was like, here's some sort of places to

3:46

get started. Come up with your own questions.

3:49

You are coming to me with your own questions and I have

3:51

no idea what they are. Nope. I

3:55

feel like, did you guys talk about this beforehand without

3:57

me? Oh, we legit talked last night

3:59

for like. an hour and a half. Oh my god.

4:03

It was her idea. Her meaning

4:05

Erica. I bet it was. It's always Erica's

4:07

idea. Oh my gosh. Erica's

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gonna have the hardest questions. Most

4:12

deepest darkest secret questions

4:14

probably. They're

4:17

actually not all like bear your soul. But we'll

4:19

be the judge of that. Oh my gosh.

4:23

Tasha knows what they are. But I

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mean, you can't have

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created what you and

4:30

Kathleen created that then when it

4:33

became yours that you evolved it into

4:35

what you have done with it to

4:37

then just be like, okay, bye. Like, no.

4:40

Because that's kind of how you left that last call with Kathleen.

4:42

And I was like, oh, that's cute.

4:46

That's what we're not gonna do. And in all honesty,

4:48

you know, Kathleen has not been a part of

4:51

most of what has happened for the past couple

4:53

of years. And she's been here for a lot of episodes. We've

4:55

talked about like a lot of things that are really

4:57

important for business and ourselves and all of those things,

4:59

but she has not had the inside look, which

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is why the two episodes with Kathleen

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came first. And then

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the two of you next because your experiences

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of this at this point are just more

5:11

relevant than Kathleen's

5:14

has been for the past couple of years. So yes,

5:16

we did leave it very light and easy. And I knew that

5:18

the two of you would drag out whatever needed

5:20

to come

5:20

out of me regardless. So

5:25

the funny thing about that is then when you talk about,

5:27

you know, it then becoming yours and Kathleen

5:30

even acknowledging like, you know, there

5:32

was the FOMO and now she won't have to have

5:34

any of that anymore.

5:37

You know, you knew that there were changes

5:39

that you wanted to make. You

5:41

knew that you had a vision

5:42

for what you wanted the

5:45

entirety of being boss to be, but also the

5:47

podcast. And so, you know,

5:49

of course the obvious question for me

5:52

comes up of like, do you

5:54

wish that you had pivoted or shifted any of that

5:56

any sooner than what you did? Oh, fuck.

5:58

That's a great question. question.

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Well, shit. Here we go. Here we go.

6:04

You know, I haven't talked about

6:06

this publicly at all.

6:09

But you guys know. But

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I've talked about how whenever I took over

6:15

being boss, my plan was

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to make it

6:18

community events mastermind.

6:21

But there was a fourth component of this

6:23

that it didn't go very

6:26

far, though it went further than

6:28

I think even maybe, well, maybe you guys

6:30

know. And that was building

6:32

a podcast network. And

6:35

that was something like, I remember as

6:37

I was, we were drawing up papers

6:40

for the end with Kathleen, I was having a meeting with

6:42

my lawyer to talk about like, what

6:44

do we need to do to create a podcast network? And what

6:46

this would look like is creating

6:48

a network

6:50

of boss podcasts, right? And things

6:53

relevant to bosses, but also done

6:55

by bosses. And you know, are we going to

6:57

hire them? Are we going to hire a talent? Are we just

6:59

going to like do advert, like all of these

7:01

things and this idea of really scaling up what

7:03

it is that we were doing.

7:05

And I ended up, well, no, actually the

7:07

pandemic hit. Right. And we

7:10

all went into like survival mode and

7:12

doing something big like that was not,

7:14

we

7:16

just wasn't feasible anymore. Like we were all

7:18

just trying to survive. And I was trying to help

7:20

two businesses survive. If I had

7:23

just had being boss, maybe I would have

7:25

done it anyway. But having being boss and almanac,

7:27

there was not any new things going to happen.

7:30

Right.

7:31

And as we have sort

7:33

of been looking at things over the past

7:35

year of going, okay, is this business model

7:37

still viable? You know, what

7:40

do we do next? Are we shutting it down? It really

7:42

became a question of are we scaling

7:44

up, AKA, bring back the podcast

7:46

network,

7:47

or are we shutting it down? Because

7:50

those are really the only two options. Like being

7:52

boss as it is,

7:55

was not a viable business model

7:57

anymore. And it being a podcast with sponsors,

7:59

a community. some digital products. The

8:02

podcast production, it costs so

8:04

much to produce a show these

8:06

days. The

8:10

numbers were not adding up.

8:12

It was a matter of scaling up or

8:14

shutting down. There's been

8:16

a couple of times where I've been like, if I

8:19

just started that network in 2019,

8:22

I've had just done the thing,

8:24

would things be different now? I

8:27

come to know. No

8:31

regrets. No regrets. I think

8:33

it could have been an opportunity. Even

8:35

though podcasts have been super

8:38

popular now, the lockdown

8:39

happened and then everybody went on Amazon

8:44

and decided they wanted to be a podcaster. Yeah,

8:46

but then you also had all the big names hopping

8:49

in and being overpaid. It

8:52

shifted what the landscape

8:54

was going to ultimately be. So they have

8:56

jumped into something and then a year,

8:59

two years, two and a half years into it, being like, fuck,

9:01

ow. I can't grow. I could have

9:04

rocked it out with what was happening

9:06

in the industry

9:12

at that point. But

9:14

when I sit back and look at it now,

9:17

no regrets. I think it would be

9:19

harder for me to step away when

9:21

what I really feel is

9:23

my truth in this moment is that it's

9:26

time for me to step away. And so I am

9:28

grateful for better or worse

9:31

that things are in a place where

9:33

it's like, okay, wow, this is not working, so let's

9:36

just end it. Whereas it would be harder for

9:38

me to walk away if it were

9:41

considerably bigger than it is now. So

9:43

no, no regrets.

9:47

There's nothing I really wish I would have

9:49

done differently to get

9:51

me to this place now. I

9:54

love that for you. Like

9:56

actually not sarcastically, but yeah,

9:59

for real. Because you get to

10:01

the end and sometimes there is that place of you

10:03

have all kinds of feelings. So getting somewhere and

10:05

being like, nope, I'm actually at peace with it. Yeah.

10:08

That's, I think a beautiful piece

10:11

of the, you know, wrapping up of it. Yeah.

10:14

I think so. I think it would have been amazing. It's funny,

10:16

we recently went back to that conversation

10:18

and it's sort of a last ditch. Like,

10:20

okay, but really, really is it over? Well, the

10:23

only viable option is are we doing the

10:25

podcast network? And the way

10:27

the industry has shifted and changed, I

10:30

actually think it would be harder to do it now.

10:32

Right. And would it be easier if we

10:34

had done it then and like now would it

10:36

be easier? Maybe, but I don't know

10:39

that. And I know that it's just hard enough right

10:41

now that these are not the problems that I want to solve

10:43

anymore.

10:44

So being

10:46

that you are wrapping

10:51

up what the podcast has been and,

10:53

and I appreciate the fact that you said this too, you're

10:56

going to give yourself some space to then figure out

10:58

what is going to happen next. So I'm glad it's not just

11:00

a, we'll just be back next week and I'm

11:02

just going to go change clothes. I'm going to keep podcasting

11:05

through this. I'm

11:07

not going to tell. I mean,

11:09

people, people, what were you calling

11:11

it? Like a quivit, like people do that. Like

11:13

they will be like, oh, the content's going to change

11:15

and they'll keep podcasting through it. And then eventually

11:17

they just die off. Mm-hmm.

11:21

Mm-hmm. Slow quivit. Actually

11:25

it's a quit and then a pivot. It's

11:27

not even the same word. Yeah. It

11:29

is. It's like no. Hard stop. It's a hard

11:32

stop. And then that part. So

11:34

being that that's what you're going to do, the

11:37

reality is, is that

11:39

you contributed a lot

11:42

to the podcast sector

11:44

that you are now about to just kind of hop out

11:47

of and then decide, do I

11:49

want to be in it and how do I want to be in it? If

11:51

so, and when I do it, it's on

11:53

my terms. So good luck y'all, but

11:56

all of that being said,

11:59

had to put a word on how you feel

12:01

about the contribution that

12:04

is being bossed. It's Emily.

12:08

What's the word? Honored.

12:10

Is that...

12:11

Oh. Good. Keep

12:16

doing that and I won't cry. Perfect.

12:20

No, that's the word that first popped in. And

12:22

something, Kathleen and I have been very open about

12:24

this the entire time of how like, well,

12:27

one, even me, this was a big magic moment.

12:29

The idea of starting the show was like a

12:32

spirit of inspiration dropping

12:35

into my ear and me perking up and being like,

12:37

yeah, that sounds cool. Let's do it. And

12:40

then

12:41

sort of having the notoriety of

12:43

being the first two female business

12:46

podcasters in the top charts and

12:48

sort of reigning in those top charts

12:50

for literally years and years

12:53

until we stopped podcasting every

12:55

single week was amazing

12:57

to sort of build that sort of not

13:00

only name for ourselves, but also

13:02

to bring about the importance

13:05

of the industry that we were serving. Creatives

13:08

deserve attention and resources

13:11

and empowerment,

13:13

even though I don't love that word in this situation

13:16

in particular, to

13:18

continue forward

13:20

and know that what they're

13:22

doing is important enough to

13:24

have someone encouraging them to do it.

13:27

So like we brought some importance to this

13:30

industry. And as a

13:32

business person, whenever I think about

13:35

who I am and what's important to me, I

13:37

love business. I love doing business and I love

13:39

talking business and all

13:41

of those things. And

13:43

to have contributed to this space

13:46

in this time, in

13:48

this way, I feel

13:50

honored to do it for sure. Oh,

13:53

I love that for you. I love

13:55

that. Seriously. Are you going to say that

13:57

every time I hear that? No, I'm not. But

14:00

being that you did this, it

14:03

took time to get to this

14:05

point. It took processing. It took

14:08

being in the feelings and having

14:11

a good life. And intentionality. Intentionality.

14:14

You were very intentional. Y'all were intentional about how you

14:16

were going to approach the podcast. Because I feel

14:18

like a lot of people, especially

14:21

nowadays, that start off at one point and then they

14:23

kind of like, something gets trendy and they shift.

14:25

And then something else gets trendy and then they shift. If

14:29

you skip a couple of podcasts, you come back and be

14:31

like, this is not at all where this started.

14:34

And y'all have been consistent from the beginning,

14:36

which is

14:39

why people who listen faithfully have catchphrases

14:43

from you all. Because

14:46

it's pretty much a cult. Cult light.

14:49

Cult light. I mean,

14:51

there's no cleaning or any of that stuff.

14:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep your money though, if you'd

14:57

like to send me some.

14:58

Yeah, I mean, donate. But

15:03

I do think that out of all the podcasts

15:06

I listen to, I think that you all have been, have

15:08

the most consistent message and have always

15:11

stood in your ethics and

15:14

your values. Here

15:16

we go. Catchphrases. Your

15:18

values in ways that lots

15:21

of business owners, especially in, we were

15:23

just talking about how the pendulum swings

15:25

so quickly and things transition

15:27

out on the online businesses,

15:30

even in the midst of trying

15:32

to step on those trends, y'all

15:34

haven't changed your message at all.

15:37

So I think that's just, it's very commendable.

15:39

Like you haven't, I know

15:42

the poll must have been there to

15:44

try to, you know, like if you see people doing

15:47

something close to what you're doing that's successful,

15:49

the poll was kind of there. It was like,

15:51

if we just kind of shift a little bit to the left, maybe we

15:53

could get some of that energy, you know,

15:55

so.

15:57

I appreciate that.

15:59

very much. And as you're saying it, one of the things that

16:02

sort of comes to mind is one of the things that I hope

16:04

never goes out of fashion is integrity. Too

16:07

late. But

16:09

like real, like real, real.

16:12

You know, like there will always be people

16:14

who don't understand the importance of or don't care

16:16

or whatever. But I would like to

16:18

believe that there is this like,

16:20

you know, segment of humans and

16:23

current reality who

16:25

value integrity in a way

16:27

that that's something that Kathleen and I always talked

16:30

about, right? Was like, what is an integrity

16:32

or like one of our sort of boundaries

16:34

for

16:37

sponsors was always like, will

16:39

it help them be boss? Like, is it an integrity

16:42

literally with our brand? Because we got

16:44

pitched by all kinds of crazy things

16:46

along the years and could have made

16:49

a shit ton more money, but

16:51

it would have been out of integrity. And that's

16:53

something that

16:54

Kathleen and I always shared and is something

16:56

that is, you know, obviously very ingrained in me

16:59

enough that as Kathleen left, it's something

17:01

that I maintained and, and

17:03

legit or consistency breeds legitimacy.

17:05

And like, there's all these like little things that

17:08

sort of play into it. So I appreciate that,

17:10

that that

17:11

wasn't missed. That it

17:13

was enjoyed and favored

17:15

in some way. And I do believe that it has kept

17:18

us where we are. You know, one of the things I talked about in that

17:21

podcasting episode with Kathleen two episodes

17:23

ago, was

17:24

that the being false podcast is as big

17:26

as it's ever been right now. Like this show

17:29

is,

17:29

has more downloads than it

17:31

has almost ever had, with the exception of like

17:33

right at book launch, and we were doing huge PR

17:36

campaigns. And right now, like we have almost no social

17:38

media presence. We have a little bit of

17:40

newsletter, like it's what is still happening

17:42

is our audience for the show

17:45

is still just very much so

17:47

there, which I love. And that kind

17:49

of breaks my heart in terms of like, really, we're going to end

17:51

this now. But

17:55

it's not just integrity for

17:57

the business, it's personal integrity of

17:59

well and integrity for my other

18:02

business that actually is paying the

18:04

bills right now or like

18:06

you know isn't in this cesspool

18:08

that we talked about earlier.

18:12

But I will say to the hardest part of this

18:14

even go back to that like you know being honored

18:16

to have done this is the community

18:19

piece of like this

18:21

community and I don't just mean like our paid

18:23

community I mean you guys to

18:25

some extent or very much so you both

18:27

came to me because of the Being Boss podcast

18:30

in one way or another and all

18:32

of all of my friends because most of my friends are

18:34

bosses these days but also

18:37

very much so the paid community and

18:39

the free community and all of those things

18:42

it has been for them

18:47

and you guys and like the integrity that

18:49

I have built with those folks that have even

18:51

kept me in this space as long as I have

18:53

been and that has been the hardest

18:56

part of making this decision and why was such

18:58

a long decision to make in terms of what does this

19:00

look like and is this really right and are there

19:03

other options is really

19:05

like maintaining

19:07

that level of integrity

19:10

with my community though I don't think

19:12

that is the only integrity to maintain.

19:15

Integrity is layered and

19:18

a lot of people don't get that. Yeah. They

19:21

don't. And the interesting

19:23

part about it is that there's the integrity

19:25

when you're intersecting with someone

19:28

else or what you're providing or what you offer

19:30

or just even what you're giving but

19:32

then there's the self integrity.

19:35

Does this work for me does

19:37

this feel good for me do I want to be

19:39

a part of this anymore where

19:41

does my ego show up in this

19:44

where

19:44

does this feel more like a burden

19:47

than a gift. And

19:49

there's a point to where like you

19:51

almost have to figure out what

19:54

needs to stay and what needs to go and understanding

19:57

that that letting go or that ending. doesn't

20:00

have to be a negative. It's not a bad thing,

20:02

but you have to say no to something in order to

20:04

say yes to something else. That.

20:07

I also think it's important

20:08

to point out that like

20:10

me and Erica on bookends of this thing, like

20:14

you met Erica during the transition

20:16

from, you know, Kathleen being

20:18

brought out, doing it by yourself and then

20:21

having all of these big changes

20:23

happen with the podcast community, business,

20:25

whatever. And I've known you since the beginning,

20:27

like since y'all were like

20:29

recording your podcast on, you know, iPhone,

20:32

earbuds and like, you know, like

20:36

I've been there since then. So it's it's

20:39

when you started talking about like

20:42

how how much the how much

20:45

the podcast is still maintaining

20:48

popularity. So it's still

20:50

resonating with people. Like I

20:52

just started thinking about like, oh, wow, like

20:54

there's not going to be a being boss podcast,

20:57

a new one in my, you

20:59

know, my schedule anymore, which, you know,

21:01

like I talk to you anytime I

21:03

want to. Girl, you hear me. Yes.

21:06

But that's not the point. The point is, is

21:08

that like, even though we are business besties,

21:10

I don't want to be like me. Erica

21:13

talked about this too. Like we don't always want to be tapping

21:14

you for stuff like that. Like even

21:17

if it's something that you know, it's

21:20

just like

21:21

it feels very transactional,

21:23

you know, to try to like,

21:25

oh, well, Emily will know Emily will know because

21:27

you know every fucking thing. Oh, my

21:30

God. Y'all hear that? She

21:33

said, I

21:35

like that. I like the piece of where

21:38

I get to actually be like, Emily,

21:41

so this tree, what is this tree? And I want the

21:43

tree is outside like I am cast

21:45

iron cast iron was the whole thing. So y'all okay.

21:48

I just sidebar.

21:51

I did just I

21:54

oh, it's good. I use mine. What did you make?

21:56

What how was it? I made a spatcock

21:58

chicken.

22:00

with onions and

22:03

carrots in it. It looked like something

22:05

Ina Garten made. I should have taken a

22:08

picture of it. I was too busy eating

22:10

the deliciousness of it. When it came out of the oven,

22:12

I was like, what? Sidebar

22:15

for everyone, Erica came to visit a couple

22:17

weeks ago. I took her to Lodge Cast

22:20

Iron. It's like 30 minutes from my house.

22:22

They have a factory store. She stocked

22:25

the fuck up on her cast iron

22:27

for pennies. Also, she didn't

22:29

have any cast iron, which is like a sin. Which is

22:32

like, how do you even cook? I don't even

22:34

know. Have you eaten ever in

22:36

your life? I don't even know. But that's the

22:38

thing, being there and being like, okay, what should

22:40

I get? What actually works?

22:43

Please tell me how to take care

22:44

of it. You need six things. Ins and outs of every

22:47

shape. Right. You need a lid or not.

22:49

Then we got Tasha, my favorite

22:51

piece of cast iron. If you guys have not experienced

22:54

a cast iron cookie sheet, what are you

22:56

even doing with your life? Basically,

22:59

it is game changing. I use mine

23:01

to make Brussels sprouts. We live like the

23:03

holy grail, I think, of the cast

23:06

iron cookie sheet. As I was doing it,

23:08

I was like, I was wondering if Tasha has used hers yet.

23:10

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So thank you for cast iron sidebar. That

24:21

part. But that's the thing being because you,

24:23

you know, a lot and part of what

24:26

had came up in a conversation with you and I recently is

24:28

the fact of how like a lot of the knowledge that you've

24:30

gained, whether it was through

24:32

like actual formal schooling, like college or even

24:34

outside of that, isn't necessarily

24:37

what you do. And so being

24:39

able to have a relationship or dynamic

24:41

with someone and you're able to access more than

24:43

just the thing that they get paid for or that they're

24:45

known for.

24:47

This is an opportunity for you

24:49

to actually be able to kind

24:51

of being, this is what

24:53

people know you for. And it's like, but there's so much more

24:55

to you than that. And so

24:58

now that you're letting go of this, what

25:00

gets the, what else gets the thrive now? Who

25:03

knows what kind of weeds I got in

25:05

here. I mean,

25:10

that's the question, right? I have no idea.

25:12

It's even you brought up ego

25:14

a minute ago and my ego is like me. You

25:19

talking about me? Because

25:21

that's something that I've actually struggled with a lot

25:24

over the decision of doing this, of how much

25:26

am I holding onto this? Because I am

25:28

being boss,

25:29

right? And that's so much

25:32

of my personal identity. It has not

25:34

only gone into my brand, but it has gone into me

25:37

over the past couple of years. Who

25:40

am I if I'm not

25:42

podcasting and showing up in this

25:44

space? And honestly, I'm probably cooking

25:46

more, right?

25:47

I'm probably spending more time in my

25:49

yard or honestly, I don't know because

25:52

I have been doing this for eight and a

25:54

half years. And

25:56

so there is this, like,

25:58

there has like my ego once.

25:59

side is like, I'm dying. That's

26:03

the funny part because one of the questions we have is literally

26:06

about ego death.

26:07

Literally. No, I

26:09

have been crying like every single day

26:11

for like two months knowing that this is coming because

26:14

my ego is dying. But like I also

26:17

am more than just my ego. I'm

26:20

like to think that I'm a relatively smart person

26:22

and I know that something is coming after and I just have

26:24

to like get beyond this point to know what

26:26

is going to happen next. And there's

26:28

like Emily the person in which case am I going

26:30

to become like a hardcore gardener? Can I actually

26:33

get back to cooking which is still something that I've

26:35

struggled with doing post pandemic of

26:37

I got so burned out cooking three meals a day for

26:39

two years that I've and I used

26:42

to identify as like I love

26:44

to cook. That is one of the things that I do. You

26:46

used to sew. Well, I never

26:49

loved doing like I

26:52

love the idea of it, the practice of it makes

26:54

me angry. But you're

26:56

right. I haven't sewn anything in years and

26:58

for most of my life there's like one sewing

27:00

project a year and I probably haven't,

27:03

you know, gotten out my sewing machine and probably

27:05

three or four years now. And so

27:08

I don't know what parts of myself have

27:11

I had to tuck away because so much

27:14

of myself have has been put

27:16

into and not only this podcast

27:18

but

27:19

and I really want everyone to understand

27:21

we talked about this a little bit in the last episode is not

27:24

so much having these conversations

27:27

and like recording and showing up though that is

27:29

a part of it like I'm very much so looking forward

27:31

to having some space in my calendar some

27:34

space in my brain where I'm not thinking about the

27:36

smart things I want to say on the next show or whatever

27:39

it may be.

27:40

But it's very much so like the business behind

27:43

being boss and how difficult that has been

27:45

over the past year of I want

27:48

my brain to solve other problems. I want

27:50

my brain to solve solvable problems.

27:51

There you go. Right.

27:54

And so what what will I be able

27:56

to do when this has like when

27:58

this has been dismantled?

27:59

I'm not being mental enough that I can have both

28:02

my brain space back and whatever

28:05

part of my ego has been obsessed

28:07

with being boss.

28:09

I don't know, but I'm excited for cooking,

28:11

Emily, to come back because I'm

28:14

going to be at the table. This is the funny part.

28:16

She says this, and yet when we were

28:18

in the cabin,

28:19

sure enough, she was cooking. When

28:21

I was at the morning that

28:23

we left to go and meet you, Tasha,

28:26

I get up. What is she doing? Making

28:29

caramel. Making caramel

28:31

sauce for coffee. She

28:35

is that girl from TikTok that was like, oh,

28:38

my man wants peanut butter and jelly. I'm going to roast and

28:40

grind the peanuts. Make

28:44

it into peanut butter. Add oil. Make it into peanut

28:46

butter spread. Preserve the grapes.

28:49

This is Emily.

28:50

She's like, oh, this is what you want. You want pimento

28:52

cheese? I can make you some pimento cheese. I

28:54

don't like pimento cheese. David

28:58

made a pimento cheese joke yesterday at your expense.

29:01

Really? Because we were eating pimento cheese

29:03

and he was like, oh, I'm sad. Tasha's not here. Well,

29:09

you can tell him that I had a nightmare about

29:11

whales. I will let him know. It'll terrify

29:14

him. Perfect.

29:19

It has been coming back a little bit, and

29:21

it's been in making time to do

29:23

things. I'm like, let me just whip up a caramel sauce really quick.

29:28

I know. I hear me real quick.

29:32

But I did talk. You did. iPhone

29:35

TikTok. If

29:37

you start wearing an apron in like 50s style dresses

29:40

and pickles. So fucking cute. I was

29:42

going to say it would be really cute. I

29:44

couldn't. I wouldn't be mad. I love this. I actually

29:46

used to have this really cute little vintage sort

29:48

of half apron that I got in an antique store.

29:51

It disappeared in one of our moves and it's like, I

29:53

still think about it. It was so adorable

29:55

and it's cute little like antiquey roses

29:58

and ruffles. Anyway, thanks for my.

29:59

me about it on the

30:02

side. Sorry.

30:06

Just kidding.

30:10

Is there anything that you're anxious to

30:12

say goodbye to?

30:16

Gut reaction was no. I

30:18

love that. Right?

30:21

Actually, yes.

30:23

I will amend. This

30:25

is something that I've thought about a lot over the past

30:28

six-ish months, especially as

30:30

I have done the last bit of travel that

30:33

being boss has afforded me. Right? And not just

30:35

like literally monetarily, but like speaking gigs

30:37

or like, you know, I'm going to go to this retreat

30:40

to do this thing. And granted we've talked

30:42

about past episodes. I

30:44

still am going to do my masterminds. We'll talk about that in a little

30:46

bit. I'm still going to do my retreats. I love doing

30:49

that work. But

30:52

when it comes to, you know, flying

30:54

off to New York to have dinner with Kathleen and

30:56

not that we've ever done it like that, but that's what it feels

30:59

like in our heads or whatever it may be. I'm

31:01

sad that that piece doesn't,

31:04

maybe that's not anxious,

31:06

but that is like sad. Maybe. Yeah,

31:09

I will miss that piece. And like accessibility

31:12

to that type of business related

31:14

travel or experiences. Absolutely.

31:17

When, you know, at Almanac business travel

31:19

is like, let's go buy some dusty rocks, right?

31:22

In the heat. We're going to be hot and

31:24

sweaty. And the mills we have

31:26

are not going to be fancy. Right?

31:28

Like we're going

31:31

to. No, we did

31:33

the bohong list one time and it was no bueno

31:35

for every way, everyone. We

31:37

enjoyed it while we were adjusting it. And immediately

31:40

afterward, our old assets were like,

31:42

all

31:45

night. Regrets

31:47

all night. Indeed. Um,

31:49

so I, I am going to miss that. That's

31:52

going to make me sad. And then like in the context

31:54

of that, that like,

31:56

well, and honestly, I don't lose this though. One

31:58

of the things that I very much so love that.

32:00

being bosses also affords me is

32:03

I can literally go to any city in the

32:05

United States and there's a boss there that

32:07

I can go have a cocktail with or coffee or

32:09

a meal or whatever and that's not

32:12

going to end,

32:14

right? So they're still there. I still

32:16

have access to so many of them and will continue

32:18

to and I'm sure people will still email

32:20

who's like catching the show and the months

32:23

and years to come like it that part's

32:25

not over but like there is like

32:27

a bit of like a haul. I've enjoyed

32:29

that so much but it's also not over. I realize

32:31

that.

32:33

There are tons of people out there that

32:35

will stop doing the thing

32:37

and then we'll go on the whole like

32:39

a war tour of I'm gonna talk about this

32:41

and get paid to talk about it for the next 20 years

32:44

even though I don't do the thing anymore. So if you want

32:46

to you could

32:48

talk about quitting being boss. That's like

32:51

a whole like anti-hustle cuteness that

32:54

I'm here for. No, I mean

32:56

this is a thing that you

32:58

know like I'm part of what our

33:00

friendship has taught me is that

33:03

my belief that things don't have to

33:05

last forever is totally okay.

33:07

Like if it's not serving me I can

33:10

absolutely quit it even if on the surface

33:12

it looks really successful it's

33:14

paying you if but

33:17

if you are not you know staying

33:19

true to your own integrity and you feel stressed out or

33:22

you know constantly always

33:24

thinking about solving unsolvable

33:27

problems and you know like

33:29

you can quit it. Yeah. You can quit it.

33:32

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You have to do this.

33:34

Right. Even if things are as great

33:36

as they've ever been or like or whatever

33:38

it may be I that is absolutely

33:41

something that I want everyone to

33:43

take out of this. I have

33:45

quit many businesses in my day right.

33:48

I sold a tanning salon when I was 20 right.

33:52

That's just that never stops being like

33:54

crazy. Who gave you a business

33:57

at 19. Several people were involved and

33:59

thinking

33:59

thinking this was a great idea. I

34:02

mean, it was. Yeah. But also who says,

34:04

hey. I know. Well, I was a very

34:07

mature teenager, as

34:09

you can imagine. Trauma. So

34:13

there was

34:15

like, I sold a business when I was 20. I

34:18

quit indie shopography a

34:20

couple years after starting indie. I

34:23

had an Etsy shop selling jewelry.

34:25

And I mentioned in the last episode, like one of the

34:27

top sellers in the early days of Etsy,

34:29

like it was going great. And

34:32

then once I packed up everything and moved at

34:34

one point, I never unpacked it. Like

34:37

it was no longer serving me

34:39

creatively. It was like,

34:42

and there were other things that were

34:45

serving me creatively and

34:48

monetarily. That's what I've make it easy

34:50

for me to put things down.

34:52

And it's also something that have

34:55

I struggled with that a little bit in those early years, obviously.

34:58

And one of the things that being boss has taught me

35:00

like doing these episodes and talking to these people

35:02

and exploring my own sort of thoughts and

35:05

perspectives on things is

35:07

that the creatives road is windy,

35:10

right? We're going through

35:12

these journeys. We're picking up these

35:14

tools. We're putting them in our tool belt.

35:16

We're using them in the next iteration of whatever.

35:19

And whether that's like the ins and outs

35:21

of shapes of cast iron to

35:23

like wet trees, like all

35:25

of these things. These are all tools that we're

35:28

putting in our tool belt that

35:30

lead us along this path. So how like,

35:32

how hypocritical would it be

35:34

of me if I were to have spent

35:37

the past eight and a half years having conversations

35:39

with some of the industries like best

35:42

and brightest, like thought, not just thought leaders,

35:44

because that's a loaded word in itself, but like

35:47

people who were actually out there making

35:49

things and making a difference

35:51

in their communities who all have these windy

35:53

roads for me to sit here and go, I can't quit. I have to hold

35:56

on.

35:56

I know like, right. Allow

35:59

things to.

35:59

live through their lifespan, no

36:03

resuscitation, or

36:05

a little bit as needed, if you just wanna

36:07

really make sure. And we've done that with being

36:10

boss a little bit. It's had some light

36:12

CPR, for sure. No

36:16

extraordinary measures. No extraordinary measures,

36:18

but then there is a time when you're just like,

36:21

pull the plug. Just

36:23

plug it. This is awful metaphorical,

36:26

sorry. Call it. Trigger

36:28

warnings, I don't know what's happening

36:30

here. But

36:32

it would be inauthentic.

36:35

It would be untrue to what it is that I've

36:37

been here sharing with everyone if I

36:39

weren't

36:40

okay with sitting here and being like, I

36:42

quit and I'm good with it.

36:45

So the interesting

36:48

piece about it is, is that

36:49

I felt like

36:51

as you got closer to the

36:54

end, you

36:56

started to lean more into aspects

36:58

of who and how you are that

37:02

were always there, but you showed up more

37:04

in them. When it came to the

37:07

witchy vibes, more of the spiritual

37:10

pieces getting more of this out loud. And

37:15

it all plays so beautifully with

37:17

everything

37:18

that is almanac and what

37:21

it provides, the nature

37:23

pieces of it, the intentionality, all

37:25

of these vibes that

37:28

are free, that show up there.

37:31

I wonder how

37:34

much of that

37:37

spirituality, that intentionality, that mindfulness

37:39

from that perspective played

37:42

a part in you transitioning to

37:45

being like, all right, y'all, I'm about to peddle in rocks.

37:48

This is what I'm going to do. Because

37:50

there was a time when Emily was like, rocks ain't

37:52

got no feeling. She

37:55

still will say that sometimes and then be like, I'm

37:57

sorry. I don't feel nothing

37:59

from this. And then she will promptly apologize

38:02

to the Rocklands. I'm not going to say that. I'm sorry, I did not

38:04

mean that. You are gorgeous. It's still beautiful,

38:06

but I don't feel anything here. Look at you. Right.

38:10

Petting my rock right now. It's

38:13

the Lemuria. See? I knew it.

38:15

No. Wait,

38:17

no. This is one of the smoky citrines.

38:20

Oh. No, this is not. This is actually just a

38:22

citrine. This is a whole other batch. Sorry.

38:25

There was a batch of citrines that sent Tasha

38:27

off the deep end. Yes. Ew.

38:30

It was a whole bowl, you guys. It

38:32

was. The vibes

38:34

are too high for Tasha. Too high. Yes. Okay.

38:38

So who was the question? Basically

38:43

how you let

38:45

the spiritual awareness

38:47

or just your witchy vibes. Like how

38:50

did that support you when being like, it's time

38:52

to transition. And this is

38:54

about to be what I

38:56

do. This is going

38:58

to, you know, almanac is the thing. Yeah.

39:02

I mean, we talk about this sort of internally.

39:06

Often of like just how fucking

39:09

aware we are in a way that is like sickening

39:11

and annoying. And could we just not

39:14

a little bit sometimes would be great. Smooth brain. Smooth

39:16

brain. Right. Right. And

39:18

so how much did that play into

39:20

it? Oh, 100% all the time. Unfortunately,

39:24

for better or worse. In

39:26

a way that, you know, once things started feeling

39:28

sticky,

39:30

felt it. Right. Felt it. Saw

39:32

it. And

39:36

I felt it before the number

39:39

showed it. Right. Of

39:41

like, I felt stretched too thin.

39:45

And then the numbers, it's funny.

39:47

I feel like once I made

39:50

the decision that. That

39:54

the being boss podcast would come to an end. And

39:56

if you guys remember, I was like, you know, two years.

39:59

I can make it like.

39:59

You know, all we just opened the almanac store.

40:02

Like I'm not trying to just like do

40:04

the thing. And but the universe is like

40:06

tomorrow, right? No,

40:08

like a year, like you get a year and

40:10

really you get like six months

40:13

and then the next six months are going to be really fucking

40:15

hard for you. Um, because you're

40:17

done

40:18

because you are absolutely done. And so

40:20

I have been very aware of that and sort

40:22

of feeling this, this, um,

40:25

acceleration of a process that

40:27

me personally could have like taken a little

40:29

longer to do, but

40:31

like spiritually understanding

40:33

that, no, I set the intention. So I'm getting it

40:35

now, whether I like it or not.

40:38

So there has been a process of accepting

40:41

that and sort of maneuvering it as well

40:43

as always just,

40:45

again, for better or worse, I don't know if this is like a

40:47

personal power or a flaw and don't

40:49

they all play that way though? Legit. Right.

40:53

Where I like the big

40:55

magic moment that equated to the

40:57

creation of the being boss podcast

40:59

was real, real. And I've talked about my

41:02

magic moments multiple times

41:04

over the past couple of years, and

41:06

I'm always open to

41:09

them. And I have been.

41:10

Annoyed that I

41:12

haven't had any in a while.

41:15

Um,

41:16

but that's like my own shit to work through in

41:18

general and whatever. Um,

41:21

but I also am not done with this process

41:23

yet. And I feel like it won't come until

41:25

I am ready for it. And because I'm literally

41:28

still sitting here recording in this moment, I am

41:30

not ready for it. It

41:32

does need space, which is why we've

41:34

talked about giving it so much space. So

41:36

like, how much does my spirituality

41:38

play into it a whole fucking lot? Um,

41:42

and, but mostly because I am just

41:45

generally aware and trying to

41:47

ride the waves without being

41:49

too pissed, but I'm still human and therefore

41:51

very pissed about like how

41:54

some things have played out in the way that they have.

41:57

Um, but again, I'm very aware about that and trying

41:59

to work through.

41:59

We could just spiral into this

42:02

all day long. But really, as I record both

42:04

these episodes, I have a crystal in my hand. So

42:06

maybe that's all you need to know. We started

42:08

this one off with pulling a card. Yeah.

42:12

Yep. It's still very much so a part

42:15

of how I go throughout my life.

42:17

And I've also had some experiences

42:21

over

42:24

the past couple of years, especially

42:26

in regards to Almanac, that

42:28

have

42:29

led me to believe

42:31

that I've done the work at being boss

42:34

that I was here to do.

42:36

And what I am meant to do next

42:39

is at Almanac. And it's in working

42:41

those subtle energies. It's not

42:43

being as forefront. It's

42:45

been sharing things vastly

42:48

in a completely different way. I

42:51

mean, the number of people we're having come in the store

42:54

on a daily, weekly, monthly basis

42:56

doesn't quite match the number

42:58

of downloads we get maybe in a single month.

43:00

But

43:02

give it time. Give it time for that brand.

43:05

Yeah, yeah. And so maybe

43:07

if you add up all the platforms and all the places,

43:09

it could be comparable. But I

43:12

don't know. Almanac is doing its thing. And I

43:14

just feel that

43:15

this phase is over. And

43:18

for me to

43:19

correctly serve

43:21

my future and that

43:23

really, in this moment being Almanac,

43:25

I can't split my focus anymore.

43:28

So all of it. I

43:31

mean, you're literally sitting there in a shirt that says, nature

43:33

lover. Indeed. Oh,

43:36

actually, that was even like a sort of conscious

43:38

decision that I made this morning. I had two shirts

43:40

out. I had my like a boss shirt, which was

43:42

a very limited edition. I think only Kathleen and

43:45

I got one. Yeah, I hadn't had one that

43:47

existed. It was a weird little

43:49

print that happened that was going to be a thing

43:51

that was never a thing. So I think only Kathleen

43:53

and I got the samples of them. And

43:56

then I had my nature lover shirt. And I put

43:58

my like a boss shirt on this morning.

43:59

I was like, um,

44:02

cute, but like, and then I

44:04

put this one on and I was like, no, this is right for

44:06

today. And I, and then I was like, wow, this is actually

44:08

like a statement in itself of like, yeah,

44:11

I will wear that shirt again. But today on

44:13

this last day of recording these last

44:15

episodes of being boss, I

44:17

am stepping into what is

44:19

next. So always

44:21

working with the subtle energies, everybody. Love

44:24

it.

44:25

Are you excited to be able to move

44:29

into that space of like, I can fully

44:31

do more of this out loud because

44:33

I am no longer beholden

44:36

to, you know, all

44:38

of these other people that are paying me. And

44:40

now I get to go

44:42

as far with this as I choose

44:44

to. And you also don't have anybody else that you have

44:46

to okay it with, which is the gift and the curse of having,

44:48

um, a business partner as

44:51

someone that does have one. Like you don't,

44:53

I mean, granted, like there's not a partner. There's not a place of like, you can't

44:55

do it, but it's different when there's somebody else.

44:58

It's like, yeah,

44:59

you can do what you want to do.

45:01

There is a bit of permission that even

45:04

just good manners requires you to seek

45:06

out, right? Um, even

45:08

if it's not necessarily required. So

45:11

yes and no, I think is the answer to that

45:13

question of yes. And

45:15

that there has been a lot of that

45:18

held back over the years. We've been very vocal

45:20

about that of like, there was a very conscious

45:22

decision in the very beginning that we were not

45:24

going to be very which forward. Um,

45:26

there

45:27

was a conversation a little while later

45:29

that was like, maybe we could actually infuse some

45:31

of this in whenever it was well accepted.

45:33

We were like, wow, this is actually maybe

45:35

the missing piece of the puzzle. And we've

45:38

dove into that a little bit more. We've had, you know,

45:40

very witchy guests on the show. We have, um,

45:43

we've had a couple like very sort of spiritually

45:46

niched

45:47

online events over the years. And

45:49

like, we've, we've really leaned into that. And

45:52

this is a complete step

45:55

into it. And even a way that like,

45:57

I do not position all Menac at.

46:00

as a Woo store, like it is, it's

46:04

a gift shop that has crystals

46:06

and tarot cards, but it also has

46:08

like travel mugs and t-shirts with gnomes

46:11

on them that are, you know, they're like, they're

46:13

on the fence, which I think is adorable.

46:16

It's a portal. Stop

46:20

it. The

46:22

store is a portal to the witchy. Oh, okay.

46:25

There's like a whole other conversation sidebar. We

46:27

are not gonna have in this moment, but you two know. Okay.

46:30

Noted noted. I'm seeing that in this moment.

46:32

Thank you. Message. Message receipt.

46:34

Because that is a conscious decision to be like,

46:36

okay, I'm going to have these witchy

46:38

elements,

46:39

but not present them in the way that a normal,

46:41

a regular metaphysical shop would

46:43

do. Yes. Correct. Yes. So like

46:45

it doesn't, it feels accessible to people who are

46:48

not into the witchy and

46:50

then also familiar to people like

46:52

us, like, Oh, this is a witch, some witchy shit. That

46:55

is literally always been the

46:57

intention with the physical store in particular

46:59

was I wanted anyone to walk in and feel comfortable,

47:02

right? Like, and you know, if you don't want to see

47:04

it, you don't see it. Like we just got rocks and you

47:06

know, whatever. But if you walk in and

47:08

you know, you know, right? That is

47:10

the truth. I will say I underestimated

47:13

the power of Christianity and that

47:16

like, there's plenty of people who walk in and turn around, walk

47:18

right back out and girl, I see y'all and it's funny and

47:20

the store, we all look at each other and just go witchcraft. And

47:24

it's just funny. It's just funny because they

47:26

come in, they see the rocks or really they see

47:29

the tarot cards and they're like, Oh, out.

47:32

Which is fine. Whatever.

47:34

But so even at Almanac, it's

47:37

never been all the way and I'm not

47:39

all the way there. And that's where it's sort of like the

47:41

no comes in to this, to

47:43

this,

47:44

the answer to this question.

47:46

Yes. And that I'm glad to like be able

47:48

to sort of

47:49

break free of sort of businessy

47:51

constraints and really sort of move

47:54

into the thing that is way more true me.

47:56

I mean, we even joked about this with

47:58

a Kathleen episode recently.

47:59

of like, you know, I'm not gonna go all

48:02

like crystals in astrology, but Kathleen

48:04

was like, girl, if I ever call you about anything, you're

48:06

like, let me look at your chart. Like I am that person. 100%,

48:10

especially like behind closed doors.

48:13

But the know of it is that like,

48:16

there's this ego piece of like,

48:18

there is a level of

48:20

what's

48:22

the word I'm looking for? Like,

48:25

validity? Yes, that

48:28

is the there's this level of validity that

48:30

is taken away

48:33

from me, from people's perspective

48:36

of me, when I put down

48:38

my business hat, and

48:40

pick up my woo one. And

48:43

that's just like a, that's a result

48:45

of current culture, which I

48:48

whatever and

48:50

the non ego part of me doesn't care.

48:52

But my ego is like, excuse me. Right?

48:56

Like you're going to be difficult because

48:58

I said something about Zodiac and tarot

49:01

like, are you serious? Yeah,

49:02

indeed. And so that's gonna be difficult. I

49:05

the rest of me doesn't care enough that like, obviously

49:07

I'm doing it. I'm not going to continue this just to keep my ego

49:09

happy, like all the things. But that

49:12

has definitely been both some internal conversations

49:15

that I've had, but also externally as well. It's

49:17

like, am I really good? I literally had

49:19

this conversation with my team when we all started

49:21

talking about sort of what the show transition

49:23

looked like of like, I think this is

49:26

a great idea, y'all. But I have to tell you where this

49:28

like makes my skin crawl of like,

49:30

I'm going to have some not

49:32

fraudy

49:32

feelings. It's like

49:35

the exact opposite of fraudy feelings. Like

49:38

whatever the reverse side of that

49:40

is. I think I think there's something to that,

49:42

especially when

49:45

when you lean into that sort of talking

49:47

about your spirituality in that way, and your rituals in that

49:49

way, there's an expectation from people

49:52

who are listening or observing you that you

49:54

are you suddenly

49:55

become an expert and now they're,

49:57

you know, they're looking to you for divination.

50:00

and stuff like that, which is why I

50:02

have been also kind of hesitant.

50:04

Like, yes, I do the X, Y and Z, but yeah, don't

50:06

ask me to read your cards. I'm not doing that. Yeah,

50:09

no, you don't like but but you know, now

50:11

that you have like

50:13

this, you're a rock dealer and you have tarot

50:15

cards in your store and you know, you're going to be

50:17

talking more openly about it. There is

50:19

that fear or just that hesitancy

50:21

to even be like, you

50:24

know, so out about it because people

50:26

expect you to, I don't

50:28

know, become JT. Yeah,

50:31

yeah, for sure. I think there's a certain amount

50:33

of kind of touch points along

50:36

the journey too, because it's not like, Oh, now I'm

50:38

all of a sudden going to be, you know, full

50:41

caftans every day. Come

50:45

on now.

50:47

Wait, I didn't give you the whole picture. We

50:49

always like to wear caftans every day.

50:51

You just attacked me and Dasha. What do you mean? It is that it is

50:53

that it is that mental picture

51:02

that people have of what it is. And it's like

51:04

it doesn't that doesn't have to necessarily

51:06

be your particular way of experience

51:09

it or displaying it or all at once.

51:11

Because I feel like you know, there's like, okay,

51:14

you know, maybe here's the you know, the

51:16

tarot and maybe here is where

51:18

you know, I talk about XYZ

51:21

out outwardly with other people, but

51:23

I'm not here for these other pieces yet. So I think

51:25

it's, it's a little bit of a journey

51:27

of like, the minute you

51:29

start putting that out, the hard part is people want

51:32

to judge people want to start being like, Oh,

51:34

now I get to have an opinion. Fuck you. You don't

51:37

say well, they have a big now you

51:39

can have them. You can keep it.

51:40

I will say I think

51:43

energetically, I've been very lucky. Well,

51:45

no, I have been very lucky in that energetically,

51:48

I have not attracted a bunch of bullshit

51:50

in my tenure in this space in a way that

51:52

like, almost no one else can say.

51:55

Right? We're like, also you ain't about

51:57

the bullshit either. So like, you're not that

51:59

traveling around the edge of bullshit. So I think

52:02

bullshit would be more, you would be the

52:05

repel. Yeah. Like because

52:07

everybody takes you seriously and it's not,

52:09

you're not trying to prove yourself in ways that

52:11

other people not looking for that validation.

52:14

Yeah. Indeed. But also

52:16

the spiritual realm on the internet is a

52:18

very interesting and different place. Girl, um,

52:21

plays by a whole different set of rules. In which

52:23

case, like I plan on sort of staying not

52:25

like on the fence, but like in the middle

52:27

of the road. And even if you go back to our very

52:30

first gathering, uh, I feel

52:32

like Tasha, you were definitely maybe

52:34

no, I think you were actually, you were, yeah.

52:37

Okay, cool. Um, I was thinking, where

52:39

was Erica? But I think you were around then. We both, yeah.

52:41

Oh yeah. Because remember I was supposed to do the first one

52:43

that got taken out of New Orleans.

52:46

So yes, but yes, the first one I think I did, I

52:48

didn't do the second, I did the first one. Yes. Cool, cool.

52:50

So we did like one of the first things

52:53

I said to everyone, I was like, this is a new realm

52:55

of sort of con kind of a new realm of content

52:58

for being boss. Like you're all here to like,

53:01

we're going to talk kero and intentions and all

53:03

of these things, but I am

53:05

not your guru.

53:06

Like I am not here to be

53:09

anyone's

53:10

fucking guru. No one here is your guru.

53:13

No one here is your guru. No one. We don't

53:15

do gurus. We don't do gurus. No, we don't, we don't

53:17

believe in that. Yeah. And both

53:20

as a, like, and that's been true. My tenure

53:22

as a sort of business podcaster, right?

53:24

Like I'm going to tell you shit

53:26

and you're going to experience this in your own way, right?

53:28

Like I never a blueprint,

53:30

like none of those things.

53:34

And same thing, I plan on

53:36

taking the same thing into sort of the next

53:38

phases of content that I'm sharing where

53:41

same, I'm going to share my experiences. It's

53:43

funny too. Someone came in the store recently,

53:46

this couple, it was, they had called

53:48

a couple of times. It was like a whole funny

53:50

scenario. They come in

53:52

and her mom

53:54

had sent her to the store to buy a crystal

53:57

for her because she was frantic

53:59

for a rock.

53:59

Okay. Right. And

54:02

the daughter

54:02

thought her mom was crazy. Her

54:05

like,

54:06

man friend was like trying

54:08

to sort of

54:09

chill her attitude because she had quite the attitude

54:11

about it. And so we're talking

54:13

about the rocks and she's like, you know, she wants

54:16

like mental clarity or something. And

54:18

so I take her over and her mom had specifically

54:20

asked for clear quartz. So I take her over, like,

54:22

here's our clear quartz, you know, pick out whatever you want.

54:25

And she goes, I wonder, is my mom going to get from this? And

54:27

I was like, well, the placebo effect is real, real.

54:32

And that's like,

54:33

that is the exact same

54:36

way in which I have led

54:38

my business conversations, right? Of

54:40

like, everyone is going to experience this differently.

54:43

You just have to try it and see what happens. And if you

54:45

just want to believe it's going to happen, and I

54:47

heard a funny thing recently is like, you know, placebo

54:50

effect, prayer, meditation,

54:52

all the same words and same thing or all different words

54:55

for the same thing. Right. That's

54:57

how I, I call them rocks. I had one

54:59

man come to the store one day and he was like, he

55:02

was like, you know, we got some nice rocks. He was like,

55:04

oops, sorry, my wife doesn't like me calling them rocks. And I was like, it's fine. I

55:06

call them rocks. Right.

55:08

Like, because they are rocks. Because they're

55:10

rocks. They don't have this sort of blessed

55:13

crystal name. Yeah, it's just they're

55:15

rocks. They come from the earth.

55:17

Right. So I just prettier than the others.

55:24

Giving yourself into the flow of your business

55:26

from navigating a whole year of ebbs and flows

55:28

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55:30

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55:33

downs along the way. For me, this journey

55:35

of entrepreneurship is made better when my space

55:37

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55:40

an example, my favorite way to mark

55:42

the beginning and ending of the workday is to

55:44

light a candle when I sit down in my desk and

55:46

then blow it out when I'm done for the day. It's

55:49

a little ritual that creates boundaries and

55:51

a vibe that keeps me focused and feeling

55:53

cozy. And the ritual candle

55:55

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55:59

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56:02

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56:04

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56:26

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56:33

I feel like we might have got a little tangeny for

56:35

that question, but that's my answer.

56:39

No, whatever the question was. I don't even think it

56:41

was tangeny. I think it's accurate

56:44

and it all the big thing that I think that you

56:46

circled back to is the fact of how being

56:48

boss really existed because

56:50

people wanted you to tell them

56:52

the things that they needed somebody to

56:55

hold them accountable to. They needed

56:57

the truth. They needed the accuracy.

56:59

They needed the

57:01

insight that they weren't getting in other places.

57:03

They needed that additional clarity

57:06

that what

57:08

y'all were creating wasn't being

57:10

found in other places. And even when it

57:12

became just yours, it was like, look,

57:15

I'm going to say what I'm going to say. I say what I said

57:18

and you can do what you want to do

57:20

with it, but I'm still going to tell you what it is. And

57:24

when you shift into where

57:26

you're going, it's more about, I'm

57:28

still going to tell you the thing, but what you

57:31

do with it is all up to you.

57:33

Before they wanted you to tell them what to do, but

57:36

it still was about what they were going to do

57:38

with it, how they were going to process it. How did it manifest

57:40

in their businesses? What did it translate to

57:42

for them? And now it's like, hey, I got

57:46

rocks. I got tarot cards with the gnomes

57:48

over here hanging out with me. And you know what?

57:51

These are the things and what you do with them,

57:53

how you feel about it, how it supports you

57:55

or not, how it tells you about

57:58

yourself and reads you fulfilled.

58:00

and send you on a shadow work journey

58:02

is all up to you. Right, or not. Right.

58:05

Or not. I'm gonna give you what

58:07

I would give you anyway and what

58:09

you do with it is up to you.

58:12

That

58:12

is consistent. I think we're going

58:14

from a prescription to a suggestion. Like,

58:17

you know, there were some specific things as like

58:19

if X, Y, and Z is going on in your business, these

58:22

are some fixes. You can try these things.

58:24

Well, if that was a doctor, this is the herbalist. The herbalist

58:26

is like, this could help take this. It

58:28

could help. So like instead of

58:30

take this, why

58:31

don't you try this? And

58:36

it might not even be something that you're interested

58:38

in. It's like,

58:40

try it out. Oh, take it or don't. Yeah,

58:42

you might not like the way it tastes either.

58:45

Or it makes the way it makes you feel. I mean, cause.

58:50

That's funny. I think that Dr.

58:52

Versus herbalist is a beautiful

58:54

metaphor for the differences in how

58:56

I have gone both business

58:59

and business coaching slash podcasting.

59:02

And also how I go at

59:04

how we sell things at Almanac of just,

59:06

like, I'm not here to tell anyone

59:09

what to do. Like, I can't even do

59:11

that. It's not an ideology. What to do. Oh,

59:13

see. It's a

59:15

different form of alchemy. Yeah.

59:18

It's not an ideology. You're not there to teach people. You're

59:21

not there to push an ideology on them.

59:23

You're just like, hey, here's these rocks.

59:25

Here's some terrible parts. How do you feel about that? Great.

59:28

If you don't, you can leave. You like it. Love it. Hate

59:31

it. Don't you didn't hurt my face. Just, yeah. However

59:33

you feel I love that for you. I love that for you. I

59:36

love that. Indeed. Indeed.

59:39

Yeah. It's, it's, it's fun to be transitioning

59:43

over and maybe even to give a little

59:45

bit of context of, cause I think I

59:47

sort of hinted at this in

59:50

one of the episodes I did with Kathleen, but

59:52

you

59:53

guys, I feel like I've seen even

59:56

more of what we're thinking of. I don't know exactly

59:58

what's happening with this feed.

59:59

yet, but I have 75% there of... You can

1:00:02

almost think of... If this is the most valuable asset,

1:00:07

online

1:00:10

asset that I have, the idea

1:00:12

is like, how can I make it serve Almanac? And

1:00:15

there is actually a very beautiful,

1:00:18

large

1:00:20

overlap in a Venn diagram

1:00:22

of who being boss listeners are and

1:00:25

who Almanac's target audiences.

1:00:28

And we have a gift guide on

1:00:30

the Almanac's shop. It's like

1:00:32

gifts for the creative boss.

1:00:36

Bosses have made up a very large

1:00:38

portion of our online revenue.

1:00:41

Groups of bosses literally will travel

1:00:43

through Chattanooga and come to the store.

1:00:47

Or just like singles will just

1:00:49

like, as they're coming through, they'll stop at

1:00:51

the store and they're buying crystals for their office

1:00:53

and candles for their house

1:00:55

and they want to know how, what

1:00:58

crystal is going to help them through this time in their business

1:01:01

or whatever it may be. And so there is

1:01:03

a very large overlap. And

1:01:05

so we see that this is

1:01:07

a pivot. It's still serving

1:01:10

very much so a large portion of the being

1:01:12

boss audience. Are there going to be people

1:01:14

who get pissed off and leave? Absolutely, bye.

1:01:18

Maybe see you later. You can stop by the store and see if

1:01:20

you change your mind. Or not.

1:01:22

There's 360 almost

1:01:25

episodes in the being boss archives

1:01:27

of all of the things that you could want me to

1:01:29

hear to talk about business.

1:01:32

But the idea is to transition

1:01:34

this feed into one creative

1:01:39

project again. Because you talked about

1:01:41

how

1:01:43

we've been incredibly consistent

1:01:45

in a way that has

1:01:47

built integrity in the being boss brand,

1:01:50

but has also kind of crushed my soul. Because

1:01:52

you keep talking about the same things and at

1:01:54

some point you're like, I can't circle the drain with y'all no more.

1:01:57

Yeah, same thing, same form in a way

1:01:59

that like,

1:01:59

It has been incredibly fulfilling. I have absolutely

1:02:02

loved, like there are interviews that

1:02:04

I have done that I will never forget. It's given me

1:02:06

the chance to meet people I would never

1:02:09

have been able to like, not only meet, but have

1:02:11

an hour long conversation with. Otherwise,

1:02:13

like that is not lost on me in any

1:02:16

way, shape or form. But because

1:02:18

we have literally done the same format for eight

1:02:20

and a half years, I'm like creatively crushed in

1:02:22

this space a little bit. And so what does it

1:02:24

look like to take this feed, to

1:02:27

feed me creatively, and

1:02:29

to service

1:02:31

bosses who are interested in woo shit, which

1:02:35

is a lot of you. And if you're sitting there going, are you kidding

1:02:37

me? Trust me. You may

1:02:39

not be one of them, but it is the large,

1:02:41

like that Venn diagram has a huge

1:02:44

overlap. It's nearly a flat circle. Yeah.

1:02:48

You will be one of a minority who

1:02:51

is mad about it for sure. And that's one of the things

1:02:53

that I've also just loved about cultivating

1:02:55

this community is just dipping into

1:02:57

how incredibly woo we are. Every event we've

1:03:00

had over the past several years, and

1:03:02

I'm even like, even our small mastermind groups,

1:03:04

there's a tarot reader there. And everyone

1:03:06

loves it. Like it is,

1:03:08

there's like threads of storyline

1:03:10

that have gone through multiple retreats with multiple

1:03:12

people and multiple, like it's like, it's deep

1:03:15

in what we do. We all bring our tarot cards,

1:03:17

we're all bringing our favorite crystals. Like

1:03:20

it is like boss business

1:03:22

shit with like, oh, some

1:03:24

witchy sidelines. And it is everything,

1:03:28

absolutely everything. You know what it makes me think

1:03:30

of?

1:03:30

It's like the next

1:03:33

iteration of this, yes, it's gonna,

1:03:36

you're a business woman. You're always gonna lay

1:03:38

your business in somewhere. That's just gonna

1:03:40

be a thing that happens. But the

1:03:44

leaning into the witchy aspect of

1:03:46

it is kind of an encouragement

1:03:48

for everyone to take more care of themselves

1:03:51

as the business owner. Like this is

1:03:53

a whole person type

1:03:56

of thing versus the

1:03:58

focus is just here in your business. This

1:04:01

is like going to be a different approach to like

1:04:03

how you exist in your business and how you can

1:04:05

care for yourself within your business

1:04:08

without letting it demolish

1:04:10

you. Yeah, yeah,

1:04:12

absolutely. And like just crystals

1:04:14

and candles make people happy. Yeah, it's like, you know,

1:04:17

looking at a pretty flower, you look at a pretty rock and you're

1:04:19

like, Oh my God, that's gorgeous. And

1:04:21

you're just generally a little happier about it.

1:04:24

So the idea though is to take

1:04:26

that overlap, that very true real

1:04:29

overlap and highlight it in this

1:04:31

feed here in a way that again, my ego

1:04:33

is like, are you fucking kidding me? Like

1:04:35

we're going to do what? And then the

1:04:38

other, again, larger side of me

1:04:41

is like, absolutely, this is what we're going to

1:04:43

do. And so the idea is to,

1:04:45

is

1:04:45

there's actually a couple of ideas and that's sort

1:04:47

of the fun of it. If I get to buck every

1:04:50

podcasting norm, right? Where you

1:04:52

have to, you have to release, you

1:04:54

know, an episode a week forever, or you have to have

1:04:56

these very concise, like six episodes

1:04:59

seasons and every single episode has to have

1:05:01

the same format and the same speakers and the same

1:05:03

content, all these things, and all these things,

1:05:05

like a bolder. Right.

1:05:09

And like years of it, if we

1:05:11

were to buckle those norms and look

1:05:14

at it through the almanac lens, what would it look

1:05:15

like? Like a being boss flavored

1:05:18

almanac lens? Seasonal. Seasonal

1:05:20

business, right? Or just like seasonal

1:05:23

living and what that means for productivity. Bosses

1:05:25

can take that and run with it all day long. Um,

1:05:28

that is a huge part of how, like talking

1:05:31

about and moving in seasons

1:05:33

has been a huge part of how I do business,

1:05:36

like even just recognizing the cycles. And

1:05:38

a lot of people just don't do that. Like

1:05:41

they'll, they'll be like, oh, I'm struggling. And I don't

1:05:43

know why.

1:05:43

You both need to go read Rainbow

1:05:45

Moonstone and the Book of

1:05:47

Stones. Uh-oh. If

1:05:49

you haven't already, just that's going to, that's

1:05:51

homework. That's homework for you guys. Cause it'll kind

1:05:53

of blow your mind, especially after how much Rainbow

1:05:55

Moonstone we saw at the last show, you're

1:05:57

going to be like, Oh shit. Yeah.

1:05:59

Good stuff. Good

1:06:01

stuff. And we're all wearing... Are

1:06:03

we wearing? I'm wearing meat. No,

1:06:05

I'm not wearing any rocks. I told... No,

1:06:08

that's a lie. I'm wearing a meteorite. I have a bunch

1:06:10

of rocks on. Of course you alien. I have

1:06:12

tons of rocks on.

1:06:14

Just a meteorite and a

1:06:16

pearl. A pearl anyway. So

1:06:19

if I were

1:06:21

to buck all of those norms though and

1:06:23

really

1:06:24

look at what will both serve

1:06:27

Almanac in terms of literally revenue...

1:06:30

Podcast production has become incredibly expensive,

1:06:33

period. So if we were to do this and

1:06:35

think of like... And not sell sponsors

1:06:37

because...

1:06:38

You're your sponsor. It's been fun. It's been fun,

1:06:40

y'all. And if something comes along,

1:06:43

absolutely. Something that makes sense. But

1:06:45

in terms of hunting it down and

1:06:46

absolutely not. So

1:06:49

we've had a couple of ideas. If we did a short

1:06:52

little series, very like being boss

1:06:54

sort of fashion of interviewing

1:06:57

makers and artists that we carry in the store. Love

1:07:00

that. Absolutely. Like why

1:07:02

not have a little like a couple episodes

1:07:04

where we release once a week for a little

1:07:06

span of time and then done. In

1:07:10

lane Kathleen show is happening. Kathleen has already

1:07:12

followed up with me. I heard. I

1:07:14

was like... Like she's like, but we're doing this right.

1:07:16

That wasn't a joke. And I'm like, absolutely. Like

1:07:19

we'll do four, six

1:07:21

episodes at some point and release them and talk

1:07:23

about all kinds of crazy shit. Really

1:07:26

crystals and what we're doing with Tarot these days

1:07:28

and what other...

1:07:29

What ghost Kathleen has had this

1:07:31

at her backyard. And who she's chasing through the woods. Right?

1:07:34

Like whatever girl. Kathleen on the scene. You

1:07:36

obviously did not grow up in Appalachia. We do not run after Sam. You

1:07:39

don't. And that was the thing I said

1:07:41

to her too. I was like, what are you doing? You

1:07:43

are gonna die. You're gonna be

1:07:45

an unsolved mystery. That's like crossover

1:07:47

with some like cryptic show. It's what's about

1:07:50

to happen.

1:07:52

Right? So if we did something like that or like literally

1:07:54

did like a short run situation or maybe we just

1:07:56

like a one off episode of like our favorite

1:07:58

crystals for productivity.

1:07:59

or focus or whatever

1:08:02

morning rituals like literally the

1:08:05

world is our fucking oyster. We

1:08:07

just have been boxed in for

1:08:09

so long trying to be serious

1:08:11

business people trying to like

1:08:14

play the sponsor rules of but when are these

1:08:16

episodes going to go and how long are they

1:08:18

going to be so we can fit all those things in

1:08:20

and like contracts contracts contracts um

1:08:24

in a way that once I like break free

1:08:26

of the box that being boss has become

1:08:28

I

1:08:29

get to actually have fun and be creative and

1:08:31

create content that I think you guys are still going

1:08:33

to love um it's not going to be

1:08:35

all the time it's not going to be

1:08:38

you know as serious as it always

1:08:40

has been but it's that's

1:08:42

the evolution right um and

1:08:45

if you want more of them buy almanac

1:08:47

shit because the more you buy the

1:08:50

more episodes we can produce because

1:08:52

it literally does cost a

1:08:54

lot of money to produce shows these days

1:08:57

it is not cheap and I actually

1:09:00

I I went down to

1:09:02

bi-weekly because I was just like my

1:09:04

brain needs the space yeah

1:09:07

and having that opportunity to be able

1:09:10

to tap into the other

1:09:12

aspects of creativity which you

1:09:14

know part of the benefit of being

1:09:17

friends with the two of you

1:09:18

is that I have tapped into

1:09:20

that in a way that I didn't have people around

1:09:22

me to tap into it in the same way when it comes to

1:09:25

cards and crystals and those types

1:09:27

of things did I have some

1:09:29

of it in my head but was

1:09:31

it understood of what it was and

1:09:33

how to how to utilize it and how to

1:09:36

how to let it be a support system and

1:09:39

so it's so easy to be like oh it's just a

1:09:41

deck of cards and it's like that

1:09:44

deck of cards told me exactly what I needed

1:09:46

to know that I didn't want to tell myself

1:09:49

and so it's just a deeper conversation with yourself

1:09:52

it really is it's a level of intentionality

1:09:55

and just being purposeful and aware

1:09:58

that

1:09:59

you know it is not

1:09:59

not any of the stories that people love to tell you

1:10:02

about cards or crystals.

1:10:05

It is the conversation that you

1:10:07

are now

1:10:08

pausing long enough to focus on something else to

1:10:10

have with yourself and to hear what's

1:10:12

going on. Yes to all of that.

1:10:15

And I think that when you

1:10:17

are working with the subtle energies,

1:10:19

as I will call them again, you're sitting down with your cards

1:10:22

or you're like making out with your crystal. Don't make

1:10:24

out with your crystals. I'm like, y'all, don't

1:10:26

get to say, do not put crystals in

1:10:28

your orifices, please.

1:10:32

None of them. Okay.

1:10:34

Not making out, but definitely cuddling sometimes

1:10:37

with my crystals.

1:10:39

You know, you're, you are putting yourself

1:10:42

in a more receptive state than

1:10:44

you are. If you're talking to a business coach, right?

1:10:47

I give your talk like there's like a little bit of like defending

1:10:49

and like, I don't explain myself and

1:10:51

yet like you're not understanding my situation

1:10:53

and like all of these things that whenever you get, whenever

1:10:56

you receive feedback from someone

1:10:59

in those situations, it's not as

1:11:01

easily received as if you were sitting down

1:11:03

to like, get a message from the cards or like, you

1:11:06

know, just spend some time with your rocks or whatever

1:11:08

it may be. I've literally

1:11:09

had, I can think of one situation

1:11:12

in particular where Kathleen and I were, we've

1:11:14

talked about this on the show.

1:11:16

We were in New Orleans with a business coach. We

1:11:18

were all speaking at the same conference together with the business

1:11:20

coach that we were actively working with at that time.

1:11:23

We're all speaking at the same event. Kathleen

1:11:25

and I go off to get our tarot cards read. And

1:11:27

this was

1:11:28

one of the earlier iterations of the being

1:11:31

boss community.

1:11:32

And the feedback that we received

1:11:35

was like so amazing that like the reading was so

1:11:39

great and Kathleen, this is so spot on. She's

1:11:41

like, we get that. We feel it

1:11:43

because we're being so receptive and it like, it

1:11:45

hit our intuition or intuition, like ooze

1:11:47

a yes, you know, like sort of that

1:11:49

situation, right? We go

1:11:51

back to our business coach. She's like, I've been telling you guys

1:11:54

that for a month.

1:11:56

And we were like, we didn't hear you. Right.

1:11:59

We, you are.

1:11:59

You're right, but something about this just

1:12:02

hit different. And like it's literally that situation

1:12:04

where you are in a state where you are more

1:12:07

receptive when

1:12:09

you're spinning. And that's the kind of things that I want to talk

1:12:11

about. If I talk about that under the guise

1:12:13

of being boss, I'm going to get some nasty

1:12:16

ass comments and maybe just like

1:12:18

one or two. But like, it also feels a

1:12:20

little inauthentic to the

1:12:22

bigger brand that we have built.

1:12:27

And if I remove myself from that box,

1:12:30

put it under Almanac, like

1:12:33

really just own that thing. And

1:12:35

not only do I get to

1:12:37

sort of make more time for

1:12:39

that piece that like is

1:12:42

you hear me talk like I am that person

1:12:45

in a way that I have not been able to really be

1:12:47

that person on this show in that

1:12:50

way. And that

1:12:52

I have grown into. I would absolutely

1:12:54

be

1:12:54

down for the

1:12:56

sky is doing a thing. Emily, what's going on?

1:13:00

Like that being a real Emily, this

1:13:02

guy's doing a thing. But

1:13:04

I can't. You all know that is like that's a funny

1:13:06

thing. I can read astrology all

1:13:08

day long. I cannot put what has

1:13:11

is happening in my brain into words. It's

1:13:15

a lot of stuff,

1:13:16

but that's the but I feel like that's

1:13:18

the interesting part about any of this. Anytime

1:13:20

we've talked about it. I start I start

1:13:23

to zone out because that's

1:13:25

my ministry. It's a lot. It's

1:13:27

a lot to try to absorb. But the but the any

1:13:30

of the spirituality pieces, if if

1:13:32

the three of us, for example, are talking about

1:13:34

it,

1:13:35

if you are open in a way that

1:13:37

you are receiving whatever you receive and

1:13:39

if we're all talking and somebody else got another piece

1:13:42

and it's like, oh, yeah, that piece. And

1:13:44

you're able to kind of, you

1:13:46

know, source pieces. But at the same time,

1:13:48

you also understand that may or may not be

1:13:50

mine. And I will take or leave

1:13:51

whatever I want to. And

1:13:54

so there's a lot more permission giving

1:13:56

as opposed to it's a business coach.

1:13:59

And I have to listen.

1:13:59

and I have to do it in this way where again,

1:14:02

the herbalist is more like... Right.

1:14:04

Try it. And there is like a... There

1:14:07

is a essence of I have

1:14:09

been...

1:14:10

I've been straddling that fence for so long,

1:14:13

right? I mean, I started Almanac five

1:14:15

plus years ago. I've been like curating

1:14:19

crystals

1:14:20

as well as like trying to... No,

1:14:22

not trying. Being a serious

1:14:25

business

1:14:27

sort of... Again, gross

1:14:29

word thought leader or like coach or whatever

1:14:31

it is that I'm doing here. I've

1:14:33

been straddling that fence for so long that I'm so

1:14:36

excited to wholeheartedly just like get

1:14:38

on that side of the fence and see

1:14:40

what happens in a way that like I'm

1:14:43

just... I'm excited to just be that person.

1:14:45

I

1:14:47

do want to like share a bit more

1:14:49

about like what the overall plans for

1:14:51

being bosses because this

1:14:54

has been a long one. But it should be. It

1:14:56

should... Well, yeah, we're at an hour and 15. Holy

1:14:59

shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just about. But

1:15:02

also love that for us. I do.

1:15:04

I do want to share a little bit more about what the

1:15:07

plans are for the entire room because

1:15:09

we actually had a Q&A. Actually, there's

1:15:12

two things, three things I want

1:15:14

to sort of wrap up. Did you write them down? And

1:15:16

then

1:15:17

also, yes, kind of. Also,

1:15:20

are there any more hard press questions before

1:15:22

I get into my three? Because like, are there any other questions

1:15:24

you're like,

1:15:25

we need everyone to know this, maybe even

1:15:27

just yourself? No. No.

1:15:30

Perfect. Okay. Then I have three

1:15:32

things. You didn't cry. You're

1:15:35

right. I didn't. Well, I'm saying,

1:15:37

we ain't done. Erica's

1:15:39

like, I made a vow. I did

1:15:41

not. Oh my God. See, this is what happens.

1:15:44

They're like, it's always her. She's going

1:15:46

to make everybody cry. She's going to come with the hard stuff.

1:15:48

You know it's true. Erica, well, you

1:15:50

know, what was the last Marco Polo you

1:15:52

jumped in? Like 11 o'clock

1:15:55

at night, you're asking like existential

1:15:57

questions. What is your soul's greatest desire? Oh, what?

1:15:59

Oh my god. That's so strange

1:16:02

desire right now is to go to sleep. To go to sleep.

1:16:07

Did I think about it? Yes, but like Jesus.

1:16:10

Yeah. And Erika's like, what? It

1:16:13

just popped into my head. So

1:16:16

yeah, you're like, don't

1:16:18

try to pretend we're coming in this all up. In

1:16:21

full disclosure, we love this about you. Indeed.

1:16:24

That's why we're here. I mean, if we didn't like

1:16:26

it, we wouldn't talk to

1:16:28

you. But it does just come out of nowhere and

1:16:30

it always gets us where it hurts.

1:16:33

Okay. So what three things I want to hit on here.

1:16:36

One is that I want to go back to this idea of quitting.

1:16:38

And the being boss community, I did a Q&A

1:16:40

after the last episode of just like, you know, I

1:16:43

just came out and said this thing, let's talk about it just in

1:16:45

case anyone has any questions and one

1:16:47

boss in the community asked me a really great question

1:16:49

that I would like to

1:16:52

share

1:16:53

my answer with everyone listening.

1:16:55

And this idea of quitting and like, what

1:16:58

are the tools or best advice you have

1:17:00

when deciding to do this? Because

1:17:02

this is a really hard decision. And from

1:17:05

that conversation, I realized that a lot of bosses

1:17:07

are thinking about quitting the thing right now, probably

1:17:09

related a lot to our last episode with

1:17:12

the golden age of the internet of doing business

1:17:14

online is has come to an end.

1:17:18

And my answer is

1:17:21

really having

1:17:24

people to talk to about it

1:17:27

because I would say like my, I even told them

1:17:29

I was like, my greatest tools are my friends and you can tell

1:17:31

them that I said that. You can tell them

1:17:33

that I called them tools. Wow.

1:17:36

Indeed. But

1:17:39

legitimately, like having the ability

1:17:41

to come to people who

1:17:44

understand my business from multiple points of views,

1:17:46

right? Both as fans and participants,

1:17:49

but also like knowing me and

1:17:52

sort of the inside working and what's happening, what's

1:17:54

not working, all these things.

1:17:56

Being able to come to

1:17:58

you guys and the other people.

1:17:59

that I share these conversations with, though I will

1:18:02

say the two of you have been most

1:18:04

integral over the past year of like really

1:18:06

helping me get my brain through this, has

1:18:10

been really helpful. And

1:18:12

like going through the lens of like, you

1:18:14

know, does this align with your values?

1:18:17

How does this feel for, you know, your

1:18:19

plans moving forward and then helping

1:18:21

me like navigate all of the options

1:18:23

because my God, are there always options

1:18:26

of like, which one resonates the most and asking

1:18:29

the hard questions and doing all of those things

1:18:31

has been

1:18:32

pivotal, not only for getting me

1:18:34

to a place where I'm gonna

1:18:36

quit, that I'm quitting, but also

1:18:39

feeling

1:18:40

relatively good about it, right?

1:18:43

Of like understanding that this is because

1:18:46

of some very important reasons and because

1:18:48

it fills a line and it's more in line with my values,

1:18:50

etc, etc, all those things.

1:18:53

So if you are in a place where you are unsure,

1:18:55

find someone to talk to, find

1:18:56

someone to talk it out, someone who's willing

1:18:59

to ask you questions, because it's, I will

1:19:01

say it's not, you don't need someone to

1:19:03

just listen because you're just going to talk in circles.

1:19:05

Right. You need someone who is going to actively

1:19:07

listen and ask you questions

1:19:10

that are going to help you go a little bit

1:19:12

deeper into whatever

1:19:14

it is that you need to figure out. And

1:19:17

also just to help you like, just come to terms

1:19:19

with this next step

1:19:22

in your journey. Um, so

1:19:24

I would say that is the most

1:19:26

important thing that if you find yourself

1:19:29

in this position,

1:19:30

find yourself some people. Um,

1:19:33

and wait until

1:19:35

find people. Yeah, find

1:19:37

people immediately. Yeah. If you don't have them

1:19:39

already, build your dynamic ahead

1:19:41

of time. Yeah, indeed. And like, and have

1:19:44

ongoing conversations about that. Could you guys

1:19:46

imagine that if like a month ago I came to

1:19:48

you or like last week and was like, Hey, you want to do

1:19:50

these last two episodes with me? Because I'm shutting

1:19:53

down being boss and I haven't told you yet. We

1:19:55

would have thought

1:19:56

like, wait, we talked how

1:19:58

much we saw you. How much? Can you say nothing? Who

1:20:00

are you actually? Yeah. Like who

1:20:02

are you? I don't know you. It's like

1:20:05

how could you have kept this from us? We're sleeping

1:20:07

under the same roof. Like how,

1:20:10

like we are clearly intimate friends.

1:20:12

It's not something you

1:20:13

do with randos from the street. If

1:20:15

you was like, oh, I decided I'm shuttering

1:20:18

this business without telling you anything. Yeah.

1:20:21

We'd have to be in the street. We're gonna box back.

1:20:24

Yeah. Well, but what you said is important too. Like, yes,

1:20:26

you have to ask, you want someone that

1:20:28

is going to ask you the questions, but you have to be

1:20:30

willing to be in that conversation. So

1:20:32

you have to understand that they might ask you

1:20:34

a question that's gonna be a hard question, or

1:20:37

they might give you a response to a question

1:20:39

of yours and you're like,

1:20:41

oh. So basically you need Erica. And Erica knows this because she's

1:20:43

the boss of both of those things. Yes. So

1:20:45

basically what you need is an Erica. Cause

1:20:48

she's gonna make you be like, ill, fuck you. Yeah,

1:20:50

I need that question. Gonna have

1:20:53

to answer that one later.

1:20:54

So yeah, I think that's

1:20:57

the most important thing. I will say another like really helpful

1:20:59

thing as a couple of months ago, and we

1:21:01

knew this was happening, but we went ahead and

1:21:03

did it for both businesses. Creating

1:21:06

a database of

1:21:06

all of your subscriptions.

1:21:08

You haven't done that already, do

1:21:11

it. Because when it comes time to start dismantling

1:21:13

things, it's gonna come in real handy, right?

1:21:16

And just like, and not even closing

1:21:18

down, but literally managing. We have one for Almanac

1:21:20

as well of like, when are yearly

1:21:22

subscriptions, you know, gonna renew?

1:21:25

And what are we using this thing for? Is it short

1:21:27

term or long term, et cetera, et cetera?

1:21:30

I feel like that's one of the smartest things we've done in the past year

1:21:33

is building databases. Using Notion,

1:21:36

but using whatever for all of

1:21:38

the subscriptions

1:21:38

that make your business run. Because these days,

1:21:41

most of us have a lot of them. Yeah, we

1:21:43

do. Has been really helpful.

1:21:46

Any other thoughts on quitting? I think

1:21:48

it just, the biggest piece across the board

1:21:50

of anything is it requires a level of

1:21:53

radical honesty with

1:21:55

others, with yourself about what it

1:21:57

is, what you do and don't want, what

1:21:59

you do. don't enjoy. Like,

1:22:02

this is not the time

1:22:04

to give the polished Instagram

1:22:06

answer.

1:22:07

This is not the time to, you

1:22:10

know, say the thing that you

1:22:12

think everybody wants to hear from you. You

1:22:14

have to say what it is,

1:22:17

whether it's hard, whether it's uncomfortable, whether

1:22:19

it's difficult. Like,

1:22:21

no, no bullshit allowed. You just

1:22:23

can't. Yeah. And it will

1:22:25

be all of those things. It will be

1:22:28

hard, uncomfortable. Like,

1:22:31

you're gonna second guess yourself. You're gonna second

1:22:33

guess yourself. You're gonna quit and then be like,

1:22:35

you know what? Well, what if I, you know,

1:22:37

that's where you need the time. Like, this is not a,

1:22:39

this is not a rush thing. This is not

1:22:41

a, I'm going to schedule

1:22:42

how this goes. You

1:22:44

have to give yourself space and time.

1:22:47

If Emily showed up and said, all right, y'all,

1:22:49

I'm gonna do this and I'm going to do it in three

1:22:51

months. Wait, what?

1:22:53

I mean, I will say, I think

1:22:55

there are times and places I have both

1:22:58

been afforded a runway and also held

1:23:00

on a little too long.

1:23:02

But I'm thinking from the initial

1:23:05

moment that you have that awareness,

1:23:07

like from, oh, yeah, inception

1:23:10

to, yeah, you're closing

1:23:12

the doors. You haven't really doing your numbers,

1:23:15

make good decisions, have conversations

1:23:18

all along. Indeed. That is, that is true,

1:23:20

true. But also, in the event that you

1:23:22

are just waking up to the realities

1:23:24

of your business and yourself and all these things and you

1:23:27

find yourself being equipped, then still just

1:23:29

do it. Just do it.

1:23:31

I mean, as someone who wakes

1:23:33

up and quits a thing

1:23:34

because they don't like it,

1:23:35

I fully support just quitting without

1:23:37

even, you know, telling

1:23:40

people. Oh, no, you don't have to do that part, but I'm like,

1:23:45

you're going to have to have some integration come up.

1:23:48

True. I mean, oh, it's gonna be hard.

1:23:50

Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. And

1:23:53

you can choose to deal with it on the back end of the front end.

1:23:55

And I still party rather just

1:23:58

rip off the band aid and just be like,

1:23:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

1:24:02

do also want to throw in here as well. I

1:24:04

think you said this to me, Erica, at

1:24:07

some point in the past year that I literally

1:24:09

have repeated to myself a million times and

1:24:11

like to other people too who have like either

1:24:13

asked me about this process or like have come

1:24:15

to me with their own stuff or whatever.

1:24:18

That I want to share with everyone because it was a nugget

1:24:20

that is like helped me make a lot of

1:24:22

sense of my own decision making and that

1:24:25

is that

1:24:26

there are exceptions to this. I

1:24:28

will sort of pre asterisk,

1:24:31

but you told me that you

1:24:33

don't owe anyone anything.

1:24:37

And that for me was like, I

1:24:39

like, but my listeners,

1:24:41

but my community,

1:24:43

but you know, if

1:24:45

I had open contracts, actually, yes, I

1:24:47

do. That's like,

1:24:50

if you have like clients and customers that you were actively

1:24:53

working, that's the asterisk

1:24:55

right there. But in terms of like,

1:24:59

because I found myself making this decision

1:25:01

not on my own needs, but on perceived

1:25:04

needs of people that I don't even know. Right.

1:25:07

And I think that for a lot of people in

1:25:09

business, maybe you've built an Instagram following,

1:25:12

but you are so burnt out that like you can't

1:25:14

even anymore. Or maybe, you know, you

1:25:16

have people requesting your artwork, but you're just

1:25:18

done making it and you want to do something new,

1:25:21

like whatever your version of this is.

1:25:24

Unless you were actively in the middle of contracts,

1:25:26

you don't owe anyone anything. And

1:25:29

that for me has like has helped

1:25:31

me get to this place in a way that one, I will

1:25:33

send some appreciation your way in this moment

1:25:36

for that. Thank you. And two,

1:25:38

I want to share it with anyone who may be in this place

1:25:40

of like, if that is like resonates in

1:25:42

your soul like it did in mine.

1:25:44

Right. Then there you

1:25:47

go. That's some Erica deep. Shit

1:25:50

to wisdom. That's actually

1:25:52

a tender. That is a tender. Not that usually

1:25:56

bleed when she says. slice

1:26:00

across your torso or whatever. We're

1:26:02

just over here having a casual conversation

1:26:05

and you brought your knives. Why

1:26:07

are your knives out? Right?

1:26:10

Calm down, Erica. Have another

1:26:12

cocktail. Maybe not cocktail.

1:26:15

I'm glad that that nugget helped

1:26:18

because it is too easy to

1:26:21

make decisions based on other people, especially

1:26:23

people that

1:26:25

we take on their feelings. And it's like, I

1:26:27

can't carry everybody's sensibilities.

1:26:30

No. And we do. I think that's

1:26:32

like, as business owners, we're conditioned. We

1:26:34

kind of have to. Like, we are taking on responsibility,

1:26:36

especially if we have employees or cultivating

1:26:38

a community. Like, all the things. Also,

1:26:41

as women, we do that.

1:26:42

I was about to say that. A whole fucking

1:26:44

lot in a way that is just kind of

1:26:46

part of who we are. And then literally

1:26:49

as someone who is hosting a community

1:26:51

or whatever that has

1:26:53

come up for me. OK. Next step of this, because we

1:26:56

will keep going forever, everybody. I

1:26:59

do want to be very sort of

1:27:01

explicit as to what it

1:27:03

is that being boss is becoming.

1:27:06

And that is no more.

1:27:08

Kind of.

1:27:10

The show you know is Being Boss is now dead.

1:27:13

Right. There will be one

1:27:15

more episode. I'm doing one more episode, a solo episode,

1:27:17

where I want to share some of my final takeaways

1:27:19

of this tenure in this honorable

1:27:22

place that I have been

1:27:25

in for so long. So there

1:27:27

will be one more Emily episode. But

1:27:29

after that episode, the Being Boss

1:27:32

podcast feed will cease to exist

1:27:34

in the way that we know it. There

1:27:36

are already archive feeds.

1:27:38

There

1:27:41

is an archive feed for old episodes that

1:27:43

have been sort of we've been

1:27:45

moving episodes into, honestly, for years

1:27:47

at this point. So you can find that Being Boss

1:27:49

archive. Wherever you listen to podcasts, we will continue

1:27:52

moving shows off this feed. There's

1:27:54

this thing in RSS where you can only have 300

1:27:56

things

1:27:58

showing at any given time.

1:27:59

we're at episode 350 something

1:28:02

here at recording this one. So

1:28:04

there's already episodes that have been missing from the feed

1:28:07

for about the past year. Those

1:28:09

have been moved to the archive feed, and

1:28:11

we will continue doing that. I'm not sure how

1:28:14

long being boss episodes will stay on

1:28:16

this feed. It may be forever.

1:28:18

This fall, we hope to release our first

1:28:21

sort of newly branded episodes.

1:28:23

I have no idea what that looks like just yet. Obviously,

1:28:25

you've heard some ideas that we have here. Love this

1:28:27

for us. Love this for you. But I don't

1:28:30

know exactly

1:28:31

what that is yet. The idea was to give ourselves a little

1:28:33

bit of space to sort of end this and

1:28:35

then move into what happens next. But there are plans. And

1:28:38

you've heard the ideas. I hope you're excited about it. If you're not,

1:28:40

feel free to unsubscribe. Bye.

1:28:42

You don't need to hear it. If you're interested, listen.

1:28:44

And if you don't like it, I don't want to hear it. I

1:28:48

have given you fair warning that

1:28:51

we are making quite the pivot here on

1:28:53

this show. But also, I do believe

1:28:55

that

1:28:57

or I know that y'all are my

1:28:59

people. Y'all have been my people. The

1:29:02

Being Boss community, I mean, like

1:29:04

creatives, business people, y'all

1:29:06

are being mindful. You're playing

1:29:08

for your values. Like all of like y'all

1:29:10

are my people. The content will continue

1:29:12

to be for you. So I

1:29:15

hope that you do stick around and you see what we do.

1:29:17

And if you want to support us, almanacsoflego.com,

1:29:21

come buy a candle.

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crystals, travel bugs. Jewelry. Literally,

1:29:28

all the jewelry. Jewelry. All

1:29:30

the jewelry. Jewelry. Right?

1:29:33

All the things. There's so many things there. If

1:29:35

you want to support us,

1:29:37

that's how you can do so. The

1:29:40

Being Boss website is about to have

1:29:43

a bit of a deconstruction. Not entirely.

1:29:45

You will still find show notes there, but some

1:29:48

things will be changing there. Not sure

1:29:50

exactly what's going to be happening to CEO Day

1:29:53

Kit just yet. Literally, we're having a strategic meeting

1:29:55

about that tomorrow. I did

1:29:58

make a promise in the Being Boss community this

1:29:59

past week

1:30:01

that I will do a

1:30:03

CEO Day Live in January. I love

1:30:05

CEO Day Kit. It's one of my favorite things I have

1:30:07

ever created. And I have

1:30:10

always loved hosting that space and

1:30:12

will do that in January of

1:30:14

this year. So if you want to go buy CEO Day

1:30:16

Kit, you can learn all about it. We talk

1:30:18

about it extensively here. I love that thing.

1:30:21

That's something that I will absolutely do

1:30:24

again in January. We see

1:30:26

what happens beyond that. In terms of the

1:30:28

being boss community, it will

1:30:31

likely cease to exist by the end of this

1:30:33

year. That

1:30:35

is the hardest decision, has been the

1:30:38

hardest decision for me to make and is

1:30:40

why I'm like, I don't know sometime soon,

1:30:42

maybe, because I have to grow the balls to do it. And

1:30:45

really sort of figure out a couple things. We have a couple

1:30:47

of events coming as we're recording this and

1:30:50

doing some things that I'm very excited about.

1:30:53

But

1:30:54

as a business model, that has

1:30:57

ceased to work as well. So

1:31:00

that will be dismantled at some point

1:31:02

over the next couple of months. I will

1:31:05

continue doing my C-suite Mastermind.

1:31:07

As we talked about in the last episode, like word

1:31:09

of mouth is everything for

1:31:12

businesses these days. I'm not doing huge

1:31:14

launches of that Mastermind. It's a Mastermind group that

1:31:16

I have been running since 2020. I

1:31:19

have a member that has been in there ever since.

1:31:22

Every member in there I have worked with for more

1:31:24

than a year in some capacity or another.

1:31:27

The last retreat that we did, we usually do one

1:31:29

or two a year in person retreats.

1:31:31

I realized that I had been to New Orleans with

1:31:34

every single one of them at least once before

1:31:36

in some sort of capacity. That's the kind

1:31:38

of like, we get together and we

1:31:41

stay together.

1:31:42

At the moment, that's a come and go as you please.

1:31:45

So it's not like a six month Mastermind or a 12 month. If

1:31:48

you want to come in and you only like it for a month, that's fine.

1:31:51

No one has ever stayed, I don't think much

1:31:53

less than a year. Some people literally

1:31:55

three years. So

1:31:58

it's a really fun group. If you are... interested,

1:32:00

you can go to the site. There's some, go

1:32:02

check the show notes. There's an application for

1:32:05

you to fill out there. We might be adding

1:32:08

a second one because we love doing that

1:32:10

work so much.

1:32:12

And then anytime anyone ever leaves

1:32:14

the current group, I open it up and, you know, reach

1:32:16

out to people for that last seat. But

1:32:18

I will continue doing that work in

1:32:20

that space because even though I'm done with like

1:32:23

the industry of it,

1:32:24

I'm not done doing it. I

1:32:27

will not be launching. You will not see me on TikTok

1:32:29

sharing my five tips for whatever bullshit

1:32:31

we're talking about this month. Right?

1:32:33

It's just word of mouth.

1:32:36

Those seats are always filled.

1:32:39

And I will continue doing that work

1:32:41

probably for the rest of my life.

1:32:44

We'll see. I love talking business.

1:32:47

And that is sort of the future of being boss.

1:32:51

Wow. I think I covered everything.

1:32:54

But basically end of an era.

1:32:56

And I feel good about it. At the beginning

1:32:58

of a new one. Indeed.

1:33:01

Okay.

1:33:01

So the way

1:33:04

I want to wrap this up, and I have a thing I need to be

1:33:06

on in eight minutes. So

1:33:09

the way I want to wrap this up is

1:33:11

I would love to hear from you guys, your

1:33:14

favorite being boss memory. And

1:33:17

I also invite literally

1:33:19

everyone. Like maybe you had an aha moment.

1:33:22

Maybe you decided to try something and it worked.

1:33:25

Maybe you decided to try something and it didn't work. You decided you

1:33:27

hate us. And that's like your favorite moment. But you're still

1:33:29

here for whatever weird, creepy reason. I don't even

1:33:31

know. Maybe you joined

1:33:34

one of our events. Maybe you met

1:33:36

someone. I'll never forget.

1:33:38

A couple of years ago, I was contacted

1:33:41

by someone who came

1:33:44

to our being boss book launch event in New

1:33:46

York City and met someone in the elevator

1:33:49

on the way up to the party. And they became

1:33:51

business besties and traveled together

1:33:53

and years long. So

1:33:56

maybe you had one of those magical moments. I

1:33:58

would love for everyone to.

1:33:59

just like

1:34:01

have a moment where you think about your favorite

1:34:03

being boss memory,

1:34:04

send it to me just like energetically

1:34:06

send it to me. You can email it to me too if you want

1:34:09

to. Hello at being boss club. Um, but

1:34:11

from you too, what's your favorite?

1:34:13

Please Emily, you got to pick one. My gosh. Um,

1:34:16

no, I mean there's lots. Yeah.

1:34:18

But I think that that my

1:34:20

favorite memory is like sitting in

1:34:23

that first, the first New

1:34:25

Orleans, um,

1:34:27

being boss vacation I went to and

1:34:30

sitting in the front row and thinking in my

1:34:32

head, I'm like, I'm going to make them

1:34:34

say my name on this podcast. And

1:34:38

and you know,

1:34:40

like it was very, and that was probably like the,

1:34:42

the, the, the spark of

1:34:44

like, I'm going to manifest a friendship here.

1:34:46

But it was like,

1:34:47

I want to be remembered. I'm going to make

1:34:50

them say my name on this podcast. And then it was just

1:34:52

kind of like from there, it got easier.

1:34:55

Like at first I was like, Oh, I'm

1:34:56

nervous to talk to these girls. They're so smart

1:34:58

and all this. I was like, you know what, I'm going to

1:35:00

be my goofy self. I'm going to make them say my name on

1:35:02

this podcast. And they did. And then almost

1:35:04

every, uh, live recording

1:35:07

after that you'll

1:35:09

send my name.

1:35:12

That's my favorite memory. Fucking

1:35:14

witch. Right.

1:35:18

All right, Tasha. Right.

1:35:20

But I love that. I love that. And I,

1:35:22

I remember that recording. I'm like sitting here. I

1:35:25

can picture it all in my mind right now. Um,

1:35:28

and I

1:35:29

love that you were like, I'm going to be my goofy self.

1:35:31

And then you discovered that I'm probably, oh God,

1:35:33

you are, you are, you're

1:35:35

a very unserious person. The

1:35:37

amount that we laugh. I can't tell you.

1:35:42

Yeah, it's a thing. It's a thing. Tasha.

1:35:44

Thank you. I love that. I, I, and

1:35:46

I have very much so appreciated that

1:35:49

I got to experience those vacations

1:35:51

with you. Some of those are some of my favorite memories as well.

1:35:54

I was surprised that you didn't say hanging out in

1:35:56

the red room. Except I did. That was because

1:35:59

I can't. Yeah.

1:35:59

But that

1:36:02

was the first one that came up. I was like, no, I can't

1:36:04

share that. But yes, also

1:36:06

one of my favorites, yes. Yeah, yeah. Same,

1:36:09

same. One of my favorite moments as well. Love

1:36:11

that. Thank you for sharing that, Tasha. Erica?

1:36:14

Oh my gosh. It's hard to pick one, but I think

1:36:17

one of the moments

1:36:18

that really stays prominent

1:36:21

for me is I believe it was the

1:36:24

first gathering. I want to say it was like October

1:36:26

or so of 2020. And

1:36:31

I remember sequestering myself in my room,

1:36:34

because at that point, life was

1:36:36

a little different. And all my family was home.

1:36:39

And that was in the workshop

1:36:41

that

1:36:42

Bridget was doing. And we were kind of having this visualization.

1:36:45

And it was just right.

1:36:48

And something in that moment of like,

1:36:51

OK, I am sitting here.

1:36:54

I am doing this. I have my tarot

1:36:56

cards. And it was just something about this

1:36:59

is a completely different energy

1:37:02

than what I had. This is

1:37:04

an

1:37:06

opportunity for a part of myself that

1:37:08

maybe couldn't kind of be front and center

1:37:10

to be able to do that. And I felt comfortable.

1:37:13

I felt safe. I felt

1:37:15

seen. I felt witnessed. And

1:37:17

I

1:37:18

had built a connection

1:37:21

with the two of you that I

1:37:23

valued significantly during COVID,

1:37:25

because COVID fucking sucks.

1:37:28

And it was just a moment where

1:37:30

the reality of what

1:37:33

I had access to around

1:37:35

me and also what

1:37:38

it was reminding me that I had access to in

1:37:40

myself, it just

1:37:43

kind of brought things home in a way that I was like,

1:37:45

oh my gosh, this is my

1:37:47

life. This is my reality.

1:37:50

And uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

1:37:54

If Emily had never floated up

1:37:56

to me when I was at She Podcast,

1:37:58

this wouldn't have happened. Because

1:38:00

I swear I was just like, this little short lady

1:38:02

came up to me and was just like... I'm going to go talk to her.

1:38:05

I'm going to ask her to be on this show. I'm going

1:38:07

to talk to her. And I was like, yes. And

1:38:10

it was funny because that, Tasha, that whole

1:38:12

time was like, wait. And Tasha was very vocal

1:38:14

and I loved it. Because when you're the speaker, you need somebody

1:38:17

to talk. Tasha was vocal. And

1:38:19

then here comes Emily. Tasha's like, I want her to say my name. See?

1:38:22

No, I was actually at church, honestly. Like, literally,

1:38:24

I was just sitting there clapping

1:38:27

in the front row. And I had

1:38:29

no idea the impact

1:38:32

that me saying yes

1:38:34

to being at that conference was going

1:38:36

to have in so many ways. And

1:38:39

me not knowing you and

1:38:42

being completely open to meeting you as the

1:38:44

human. I didn't know being boss. But

1:38:47

being boss and what it was becoming

1:38:49

was what impacted me. And

1:38:52

there is that part of me that is sad that

1:38:54

it is going away.

1:38:56

And I am grateful for the

1:38:59

nucleus of what it is and what

1:39:01

it was and what it always will be, which

1:39:03

is my Emily to

1:39:05

do what makes

1:39:07

her happy. I

1:39:10

know.

1:39:11

That's really sweet. That She

1:39:13

Podcast was quite the event. I

1:39:16

think that's when Tasha became my business

1:39:18

bestie, my next business bestie. I

1:39:21

told Tasha that I was buying Kathleen

1:39:23

now. And she was the first person that I had told,

1:39:26

like, other than David and maybe my

1:39:28

lawyer. And

1:39:31

then meeting you at that. And that

1:39:33

was quite the magical little event. Who knew?

1:39:36

Who knew? Who

1:39:37

knew? I appreciate both of those. Those

1:39:40

were some of my highlights as well. For

1:39:44

sure. I'm just grateful to have been

1:39:46

able to experience it when

1:39:49

it was going into that iteration. And

1:39:51

I got to be fully in it. And now it's

1:39:53

like,

1:39:54

you know, the memory of it

1:39:56

is still there, but I'm really excited for whatever

1:39:59

is next. And I'm just, I'm

1:40:03

very proud of you. Yes. You are proud

1:40:05

of you. And you've taught me so much. Like,

1:40:08

I just like not even just about

1:40:10

being a business

1:40:10

owner, but just about existing

1:40:13

as a person and

1:40:15

like in my true self and not being afraid

1:40:17

to be that. I'm

1:40:20

very grateful for you. I'm grateful

1:40:22

for the relationship that I have with both

1:40:24

of you. And yeah, I love you

1:40:26