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said, we host the Geek Squared

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show. It's a pop culture

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podcast. Actually. It's a geek

1:02

culture podcast where we talk

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about all the things that we

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love because we just love to

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talk we are literally always

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talking to each other theorizing

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discussing recasting word

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vomiting,

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stressing for no reason,

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things

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that fellow geeks love to

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do. What are some of the things

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that we talked about Lord of the

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Rings, Harry Potter, Marvel, DC,

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Elder Scrolls game of thrones,

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Nintendo Mario Kart, so that's

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in tendo Pokemon, that's also

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the tendo. Alright, we ran out

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of things, but those are some of

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the things that we talked about.

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So if you have any interest in

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any of those things, please

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check us out at D Geek Squared

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show but enough about us for

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now. We're not here to promote

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unless we are we are going to

1:44

talk about a fantastic game that

1:44

we love called Love Letter.

1:47

For those of you that do

1:47

not know what love letter is, it

1:50

is a card game.

1:51

It is a bluffing card

1:51

game, something we are very fond

1:53

of. You can play this game with

1:53

two to six players and you all

1:58

act as suitors in a royal court

1:58

trying to get their love letter

2:01

delivered to the princess. The

2:01

game was designed by Seiji

2:05

Kanye, and it was published in

2:05

2012. Though there was a second

2:08

edition published in 2019 by

2:08

Steve Kimball and Z Man games,

2:12

that is the addition we have

2:12

been playing. The main

2:15

difference between the original

2:15

version published in 2012. And

2:19

the second edition, published in

2:19

2019, is an updated character

2:23

design. And it also adds two

2:23

spies and more guards. But we'll

2:27

get into that

2:28

later. Shout out to Jake

2:28

and Rachel for recommending this

2:30

game to us.

2:31

And it has become one of

2:31

our favorite games. We've played

2:34

it with a bunch of friends. We

2:34

even played it with our

2:36

grandmother. So it is really

2:36

easy to pick up for family game

2:40

night, or just a quick round

2:40

between two people like we

2:43

sometimes do. Anyway, back to

2:43

the game itself though.

2:46

All the character art on

2:46

the cards is done by Andrew

2:49

Mosley and Samuel L. Jackson.

2:52

No. That would have been

2:52

cool.

2:56

And Samuel R Shimoda.

2:59

I really liked the art, I

2:59

thought the character design was

3:01

really cool. I felt like the

3:01

Royal Court was the cast of

3:05

bridgerton. Because there's so

3:05

many different roles and so many

3:07

different character designs. I

3:07

also appreciated that it was

3:11

diverse. There are both men and

3:11

women in this royal court who

3:14

are suitors for the princess, it

3:14

would have been very, very easy

3:17

to make them all men. Let's get

3:17

into the setup and rules of this

3:22

fabulous game.

3:24

So the object is to win,

3:24

obviously, like all game,

3:27

for sure. Very simple

3:27

setup as well. There's three

3:30

major components to the game 21

3:30

character cards, 13 favorite

3:34

tokens and a reference card for

3:34

each player. Everyone gets

3:37

a reference card and one

3:37

character card from a shuffled

3:39

deck. And then the top card of

3:39

that deck is placed also

3:43

facedown off to the side or into

3:43

the bag that the game comes in

3:47

for safekeeping.

3:48

Why because that card is

3:48

now out of play. If you only

3:51

have two players, you also draw

3:51

three more cards and placed them

3:55

in the middle of your table

3:55

surface whatever you're playing

3:57

on. And they are also out of

3:57

play. This is just for time

4:00

sake. The player who wrote a

4:00

handwritten letter last goes

4:04

first according to the rulebook,

4:04

but I've also played it's

4:07

whoever went on a date last that

4:07

is much more accessible in these

4:10

days, who's out here writing

4:10

handwritten letters. If you have

4:13

written a handwritten letter,

4:13

honestly, it is. During your

4:17

turn, you draw a card, look at

4:17

the two cards in your hand now

4:21

and then you decide which

4:21

card to play. Each character

4:23

card has a unique power and a

4:23

number associated with it. The

4:27

numbers go from zero to nine.

4:29

And that's where your

4:29

reference card comes in. Because

4:31

it has all this information on

4:31

it. It has the number assigned

4:34

to your card. It has the number

4:34

of that same card that is in the

4:37

deck and it has the power of

4:37

each individual card written out

4:41

for you. Also, the power of each

4:41

card is written right on the

4:45

card itself. So it's really easy

4:45

to follow. Even though there's a

4:47

lot of powers we're about to go

4:47

through. You do have that

4:50

reference card with you at all times. It

4:52

really does spoon feed you

4:53

Yes, it does. It does,

4:53

which is why it's a great

4:56

introductory game. Okay, let's

4:56

talk about the powers

4:59

coming in with Zero slot,

4:59

we've got two spies. Now the spy

5:03

when you play it, it doesn't

5:03

actually have an effect on the

5:06

game itself. But if you're the

5:06

only person that's played a spy

5:10

by the end of the round, you get

5:10

an extra point.

5:12

That also applies if you

5:12

happen to play both spies. That

5:15

just means that nobody else can

5:15

interfere with you still only

5:18

get one token. Yeah, so that was

5:18

spot number zero spot number

5:21

one, we have guards and there

5:21

are six of them. So when you

5:24

play a guard, you can choose a

5:24

player and guess their card. The

5:27

only catch is it can't be

5:27

another guard, you have to

5:30

choose something else to guess

5:30

if you're right, they discard

5:33

and they lose the round. I do

5:33

want to preface though you

5:36

cannot lie.

5:37

And the number two slot

5:37

we've got the priest two

5:40

priests, the power of the priest

5:40

is that you can see an

5:43

opponent's hand you get to

5:43

choose who it is, and nobody

5:46

else gets to see that card you

5:46

see it and secret

5:48

number three, we have two

5:48

barons. When you play a baron,

5:51

you choose another player and

5:51

compare hands with them and

5:54

secret, whoever has the lowest

5:54

card number is eliminated. If

5:57

there's a tie, both of you are safe.

5:59

The number four slot is

5:59

the Handmaiden there's two of

6:01

these cards. And when you play

6:01

it, you are immune to all

6:05

effects of any card until your

6:05

next turn, it's basically a

6:08

shield.

6:08

And number five, we have

6:08

two princes. When you play a

6:11

prince, you can choose any

6:11

player to discard without

6:14

resolving their effects and draw

6:14

a new card including yourself,

6:18

including yourself, if the deck

6:18

happens to be empty, the player

6:21

gets that secret card that we

6:21

put facedown awhile ago.

6:23

And number six, you have

6:23

to Chancellor cards and you get

6:26

to draw two cards, select one of

6:26

the three cards that you have in

6:30

your hand at that time to keep

6:30

and then the other two, you get

6:33

to put at the bottom of the deck

6:33

facedown in any order you

6:36

choose.

6:36

Alright, and then moving

6:36

along, we're moving into the

6:39

what I want to call the Upper

6:39

Court where the Royals Yeah,

6:41

into the Royals where there's

6:41

only one of each. So number

6:44

seven, we have one king, and

6:44

when you play the king, you can

6:47

trade hands with another player.

6:48

And number eight, we have

6:48

the Countess which doesn't

6:51

actually have a power, but this

6:51

is where the bluffing comes in.

6:54

You can play it at any time. But

6:54

if you have a prince or a king,

6:58

you must play it.

6:59

And then at the very top

6:59

slot number nine, we have the

7:03

princess herself. Yes, yes, she

7:03

can send letters to herself. And

7:07

if you play or discard the

7:07

princess at any time, whether

7:11

that is your choice by accident,

7:11

you just weren't paying

7:13

attention, or you are forced to

7:13

by another player's actions, you

7:16

lose the round. So with all

7:16

these cards, you're trying to

7:20

eliminate all the other players

7:20

be the last one standing if it

7:23

comes down to it and there are

7:23

no more cards in the deck. But

7:26

there's still more than one

7:26

player left, whoever has the

7:28

highest number card in their

7:28

hand wins that round.

7:32

For example, if you have

7:32

the princess and your card is

7:34

the number nine and I have the

7:34

spy the number zero I lose.

7:38

If I have a priest and you

7:38

have a guard. That means I would

7:41

because priestess number two

7:41

guard is number one, and so

7:44

forth. Once the round is over

7:44

the winner or anybody who has

7:48

successfully played a spy gets a

7:48

favor token object of the game

7:52

is to collect as many favorite

7:52

tokens as you can the one with

7:55

the most at the very end of the

7:55

game. Once there are no more

7:57

left in the bank is the winner.

7:57

Other things to know Are any

8:01

cards that have been played,

8:01

stay face up in the middle of

8:04

the table, so everyone can see

8:04

what has been played and devise

8:08

a strategy using those cards. So

8:08

now that we've covered the

8:11

basics, how much do we love this game?

8:13

It's pretty dang good.

8:14

It's pretty good.

8:15

It's fast paced, which is

8:15

nice. It's not one of those

8:17

games where like risk for

8:17

example, where you're like think

8:21

for half an hour to do your

8:21

thing and like 6000 steps to end

8:26

your turn. Pick up a card, play

8:26

a card, do the thing that says

8:29

it on the card. Easy peasy.

8:30

Yes, very, very simple.

8:30

Really good recommendation on

8:33

Jake and Rachel's part because

8:33

we already love games like

8:37

werewolf and coupe. If you're

8:37

familiar with Jack boxes, faking

8:41

it is also a lot like that.

8:43

If you like to betray the

8:43

trust of your loved ones, you

8:46

will enjoy this game.

8:48

But that being said,

8:48

because it is so easy to pick up

8:51

and hold your hand people who

8:51

are new to this type of game, or

8:55

people who are bad at lying will

8:55

still have fun. You don't

8:58

constantly have to lie that

8:58

doesn't have to be your strategy

9:02

as it would be in the other

9:02

games that I mentioned werewolf

9:04

in coop, right? We played with

9:04

our grandmother and she barely

9:07

knew what was going on. But she

9:07

could still make it through the

9:09

rounds. She won a couple Yeah,

9:09

and eventually she was devising

9:13

her own strategies within one

9:13

game like we played a few rounds

9:17

and she didn't get tokens but

9:17

within that game, she knew what

9:20

was going on. And she said this

9:20

game was pretty cool. Also

9:24

because the rounds are so fast

9:24

paced, there's no pressure to

9:27

keep up your bluff you know what

9:27

I mean? Yeah, so if you mess up

9:30

you can just do better on the

9:30

next round and reset Yeah,

9:33

you're not stuck with that card

9:33

and somehow like somebody else

9:36

knows what you have for the

9:36

entire game

9:38

yeah, there is also the

9:38

possibility like for example

9:41

like the few times we've played

9:41

just me and you say I get a

9:44

guard and I by chance guess the

9:44

card that you have GAME OVER

9:48

GAME OVER Yeah, in the first

9:48

turn like it's one of those

9:51

games where it's it's got so

9:51

many variables but at the same

9:54

time, it's all the same nine

9:54

things that are happening all

9:56

the time. Yeah, I like

9:57

to I like the variety of

9:57

it. The other thing I really

10:00

like is that it is so as well as

10:00

being a quick game. It's also

10:04

very portable. It's very small.

10:04

Everything comes in this really

10:07

pretty Korean purse. Yeah,

10:07

little drawstring velvet pouch

10:11

that can fit in the palm of your

10:11

hand. Like if you're wearing the

10:13

right pants, it could fit in

10:13

your pants pocket, and you could

10:16

take it with you.

10:17

If you have an infant

10:17

child, you can put that thing in

10:20

their hand. Maybe we'll carry it.

10:23

Just so you get Yeah, you

10:23

can easily take it to coffee

10:27

shops and play a few rounds with

10:27

friends. Or you can stuff it in

10:31

your pocket and take it to a

10:31

game night. Or you can take it

10:33

to the cottage really easy. It's

10:33

not like Monopoly or Catan where

10:37

the box is really big.

10:38

Unpacking. Yeah, hold the

10:38

board up and then take all the

10:41

pieces out and get all the money

10:41

sorted. Right now there's these

10:45

cards shuffled? Do

10:47

you feel obligated to play

10:47

that game? Oh, I brought this

10:50

huge thing. Now we all have to

10:50

play a love letter. It's

10:52

whatever you put it in your pocket. someone's like, hey, I want to play a game, you pull it

10:54

out, you slap it on the table.

10:56

Let's go. So I really like that,

10:56

because I'm all about

11:00

functionality. Last thing I want

11:00

to say is even though the setup

11:03

is modified for the two player

11:03

game, where you have those three

11:06

face up cards, I don't feel like

11:06

there's a huge difference

11:09

between playing with two people

11:09

versus playing with three or

11:13

more people. Yes, definitely the

11:13

internal setup of your mind has

11:17

to be different when you're playing with more people because you have more variables to

11:19

consider. But in terms of length

11:22

of the game, I don't think it

11:22

really changes anything, which

11:24

is really cool. Because usually,

11:24

when you have two player

11:27

versions of these kinds of

11:27

games, it really does diminish

11:31

the experience. I love playing

11:31

with just you I think it's

11:33

great. Yeah, but I also love

11:33

playing with you and two other

11:36

friends for

11:37

example, like like you

11:37

said, monopoly. Yeah,

11:39

I'm not gonna play that

11:39

with two people. You can but

11:42

it's vastly different. Yep.

11:43

Monopoly with two people

11:43

is infuriating. I do prefer with

11:47

multiple people.

11:47

Yes, the more the merrier

11:47

with this game because you get

11:50

into sticky situations, you try

11:50

to sabotage each other and

11:53

you're not really supposed to

11:53

make alliances but secret

11:55

alliances can be made. If

11:57

Yeah, if you if you have

11:57

a priest or a king or whatever,

12:00

and you end up seeing another

12:00

person's hand. You can just like

12:04

work off of it. I got this. So

12:04

I'll play this. So you can play

12:07

that and then you can play this

12:07

against that person. And then

12:09

But then

12:10

that third person comes in

12:10

and says discard your hand.

12:12

Yeah. So there's a lot of a lot

12:12

of very

12:15

prints. That is such a

12:15

that's probably my favorite card

12:19

to use. Yes, but my least

12:19

favorite card I have used

12:22

against that is fair. You'll be

12:22

setting something up. Yeah,

12:25

you'll do your turn. You're like

12:25

okay, yeah, my next turn. I'm

12:27

gonna do this and I'm gonna win the game and then it's like discard you're like Okay, great.

12:32

Tilly Are there any

12:32

expansions to this game? Like 50

12:36

million there are no expansions

12:36

to this game. There is no

12:40

expansions. No expansions, but

12:40

there are different versions of

12:45

the game such as Infinity

12:45

Gauntlet, which is a Marvel

12:48

version, Adventure Time which is

12:48

adventure which I believe is not

12:53

in English, but it does exist

12:53

there is a version called

12:57

Munchkin loot letter which is in

12:57

the world of Munchkin the game

13:01

fun. That is fine.

13:02

You got to get that game.

13:04

Batman love letter,

13:06

man love letter. Also

13:06

Jabba's palace which is a Star

13:09

Wars base.

13:10

And then there is love

13:10

letter Princess Princess Ever

13:13

After which is based on a

13:13

popular comic. There are also

13:17

many custom versions on places

13:17

like Etsy, the ones we listed

13:21

are official versions of the

13:21

game. I have a question for you.

13:25

If you could ask. Thank you for

13:25

your consent. If you could

13:29

choose any anything to make into

13:29

love letter. What would you

13:34

choose? Do you want a Harry

13:34

Potter love letter? Lord of the

13:36

Rings Love Letter Lord of the

13:36

Rings up links will be pretty

13:39

cool because there's a whole

13:39

fellowship that you can assign

13:41

powers to as I said it I was

13:41

like that's probably the Game of

13:45

Thrones will be interesting to that'd be cool too.

13:47

Yeah, Bran as the priests Yeah, it

13:49

would be interesting to see what characters they assigned to each role. I don't

13:50

know if any of the different

13:53

versions have additional cards

13:53

or cards with modified powers to

13:57

suit their characters. For

13:57

example, does you know in the

14:00

Marvel version does spider man

14:00

have a power specific to Spider

14:03

Man rather than a baron or a

14:03

priest?

14:05

That's a good question.

14:06

That is a good question.

14:07

We should get all the versions and then we can mix them together

14:11

just one giant game. Yeah,

14:11

it will be a good science

14:14

experiment for sure. So if we

14:14

have three versions we can play

14:17

with 18 picks up all night Love

14:17

Letter.

14:21

But because it's so fast

14:21

like it would probably go pretty

14:23

quick. So that's people just get

14:23

eliminated here and there. Let's

14:26

not play with 18 like with

14:26

anything any game let's just

14:30

not. Werewolf 18 people

14:32

that will be sick. That

14:33

would be a lot.

14:35

We're talking about love

14:35

letter we are. How would we? How

14:40

would we write this game? Easy

14:40

versus difficult? How easy is it

14:45

to pick up? We have talked a

14:45

little bit about that. We played

14:47

it with our grandma who is

14:47

inexperienced with board games

14:50

that are not monopoly and

14:50

Scrabble, Scrabble and cribbage

14:54

and how open to interpretation

14:54

are the rules. I think the game

14:57

is very easy to understand once

14:57

you get into the groove Once

15:00

you've played a few rounds, by

15:00

the end of the game, you will

15:03

know how to play. Everybody can play it.

15:05

Yeah. And I mean, like I

15:05

said, the cards literally have

15:08

the rules on them. Like, if you

15:08

can't read the card and follow

15:13

what it says, when you put it

15:13

down, you shouldn't be playing

15:15

cards.

15:16

That is not to say that,

15:16

you know, sometimes it does get

15:19

confusing, because there's so

15:19

many different ones. Sometimes

15:21

you overthink things, we are not

15:21

judging you for that. But it is

15:24

quite simple. It is very simple.

15:24

One rule I wish they had

15:27

disclosed whether or not you can

15:27

or cannot do this table talk.

15:32

Can you talk to other players?

15:32

If you use a priest, and you

15:35

know, somebody else has a guard

15:35

per se? Can you tell everybody?

15:39

Can you lie about what they

15:39

have? Are you even allowed to

15:42

talk to other players, other

15:42

than speaking to say, I'm

15:45

playing this? Show me your hand,

15:45

etc?

15:47

That's a good point, because that would add some strategy. Exactly.

15:50

So that is one rule I

15:50

could not find anything about in

15:54

the rulebook that I think they

15:54

should implement because it can

15:58

vastly change the game. simple

15:58

or complex. If you're wondering

16:03

what the difference is between

16:03

easy versus difficult and simple

16:05

versus complex. Think of chess,

16:05

the rules of chess, very simple.

16:09

But there's a lot of strategy

16:09

involved. So that being said,

16:12

Tilly, do you have a strategy

16:12

for this game?

16:15

Well, yes, but also No,

16:15

with chess, you have all your

16:18

pieces right away. So you can

16:18

strategize every move right from

16:21

the beginning. Whereas love

16:21

letter, you only get two cards

16:24

at a time. And you can only play

16:24

one at a time.

16:27

And you have to be fairly

16:27

adaptable because of the

16:29

randomness of the cards. Yeah.

16:31

Which honestly, I really

16:31

like, if you and I played chess

16:34

100 times, we're gonna figure

16:34

out each other strategies. Yeah,

16:37

if we played this game 100

16:37

times, it would not be the same

16:40

every

16:40

time exactly. We're

16:40

getting into Roe versus random

16:43

here. But that has a lot to do

16:43

with what your strategy is.

16:46

There are micro strategies that

16:46

I've picked up on saying like

16:50

sometimes, even though there are

16:50

one guards can be very helpful.

16:53

So sometimes it's in your best

16:53

interest to hold on to a guard

16:56

if you have it. Because once

16:56

more cards are revealed, you can

16:59

play that guard and say, I think

16:59

you have this because there's

17:01

only three possibilities.

17:03

That's the thing I've

17:03

noticed the more offensive cards

17:06

or the lower cards. So like if

17:06

you keep those cards planning to

17:10

eliminate your opponent, you run

17:10

the risk of having someone play

17:13

a baron and eliminating you. But

17:13

that's where the luck comes in.

17:17

That's where the luck comes.

17:17

Yeah. So is there strategy? Yes,

17:21

but No, I would say simplex

17:23

simplex, because sometimes

17:23

you also start to see that

17:26

certain card combos are very

17:26

helpful. Yeah, like if you have

17:29

a king and a guard, and you

17:29

switch hands, give your opponent

17:33

that guard and you get a really

17:33

high card that puts you in the

17:36

winter seat.

17:37

However, that person

17:37

person now has a guard.

17:40

So if there are micro

17:40

strategies, I want to call them

17:43

because sometimes you have to

17:43

abandon them very quickly. Of

17:47

all the times we have played

17:47

love letter. Do you recall any

17:50

time where you just like, took

17:50

the biggest L?

17:53

Yeah. Every time I used

17:53

the king?

17:56

I thought of one two for

17:56

you. I'm sorry. I think you

18:00

played a priest. Yeah. Told me

18:00

to show you my hand. I did. And

18:04

then you played a guard and

18:04

guest a different card.

18:07

No, no. Okay. Okay. I

18:07

know just I think it was one of

18:11

those situations where you on

18:11

your turn, you picked up a

18:13

handmaiden played it. Ah, so you

18:13

forgot. So I It slipped. My mind

18:17

was like, okay, that's strategies over.

18:20

Meanwhile, I still

18:22

I was just like, I moved.

18:22

I preemptively moved on to my

18:26

next strategy.

18:26

Mentally. We're just like,

18:26

nope, next. Yeah, exactly. I was

18:30

like, friggin, that's like an

18:30

example where being adaptable

18:34

was to your detriment because

18:34

you moved so far ahead. That's

18:40

because

18:40

that was after like, we'd

18:40

played it for a few times. So I

18:43

was like, we were in the groove.

18:43

We were just like playing do you

18:46

draw the card, adapt, play, I

18:46

wanted to keep the other card

18:49

rather than my garden. I was

18:49

like, Okay, I'll just pass the

18:51

guard. And I was like, I'll

18:51

guess. It's like, wait, what?

18:56

And then you lost promptly, you

18:56

get lost in your own head. Hey,

19:00

that happens without

19:01

the game steps. Alright,

19:01

wrote versus random. So we're

19:04

talking about the game mechanics

19:04

here. And what makes each

19:08

playthrough a unique experience.

19:08

And it really comes down to the

19:12

cards. They make the game

19:12

experience different every

19:15

single time, especially because

19:15

you have that mystery card that

19:18

is facedown and it can really

19:18

mess with your strategy,

19:21

strategy, strategy strategy. It

19:21

can really mess with your

19:23

strategy, especially if you're

19:23

banking on a bunch of guards

19:27

that you've just drawn. And you

19:27

forget about that card, which I

19:31

have done for sure.

19:32

There's no guarantee to

19:32

winning until you guarantee

19:39

there's no guarantee toileting until you guarantee the win expert

19:41

I said. I said it and I

19:41

stand by what I meant to say is

19:46

the guards cannot guarantee you

19:46

a winner.

19:49

Yes, that is so true. This

19:49

game is so good. It's so good.

19:53

Like it's it's so simple, but

19:53

it's not Yes, yes. After we're

19:56

done we're gonna go play it you

19:56

know you already know Though

20:00

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20:04

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20:04

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