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It's Wednesday. March Thirteenth, I'm free, I'm Garamendi

0:03

and I'm on a to tolerate. This is

0:05

what a day where last week's televised main

0:07

event might have been the state of the

0:10

Union but tonight Juanita and I are streaming

0:12

at the Love is Blind Reunion one any

0:14

of holes to actually prep and ask the

0:16

right questions and to what was. That. Tic

0:18

Toc video use that may play aka I'm

0:20

still. Shaking. We're shirk. We're watching a cartoon

0:22

in N Word, abandoning our responsibilities as the

0:24

host of the show. So sorry if you

0:26

don't get a podcast. Moral. On

0:31

Today Show special. Counsel Robert Her got

0:33

grilled by both parties where his report

0:35

on Bidens handling of classified documents plus

0:37

Air Bnb says no more security cameras

0:40

indoors. Like why were they inside in

0:42

the first place? Problematic Big Eggs. But

0:44

first, the house is expected to vote

0:46

today on a bill that could force

0:49

the Chinese owners of Tic Tac to

0:51

sell the social media platform or rescue

0:53

banned from Us App stores. That's a

0:55

huge deal for all the doom scrollers

0:57

out there. But yesterday lawmakers took the

1:00

issue very seriously. There was a house.

1:02

Intelligence Committee hearing on it. So breakdown

1:04

what happened for us. Yes, so the

1:06

heads of the F B I, Cia

1:08

and I say National Intelligence and Defense

1:10

Intelligence were all their. The background here

1:12

is that Tic Toc is owned by

1:14

a private company called Bite Dance. Because

1:16

it by Dances base in China, the

1:18

government there is able to exert a

1:21

certain amount of control over it. Several

1:23

reports over the years has said that

1:25

take shock moderators censor sensitive topics in

1:27

China as as Tianamen Square and Tibetan

1:29

Independence willing to some of those stories

1:31

in our show. Notes: But back to

1:33

that meeting. F B I Director Christopher

1:35

Wray warned lawmakers yesterday that it's very

1:38

possible that China via Tic Toc could

1:40

censor or amplify certain topics in the

1:42

Us, making the app a potential security

1:44

threat both to individuals and their data

1:47

and the nation. Miracles: The The ask

1:49

themselves whether they want to give the

1:51

Chinese government the ability to control access

1:53

to the data, Whether they want to

1:55

give the Chinese government the ability to

1:57

control the information they get through the

1:59

recommended. An algorithm and whether they want

2:01

to give the Chinese government the ability

2:03

to leverage the data that the software

2:06

on their devices which allows the Chinese

2:08

government to compromise enter devices if they

2:10

so choose to exercise. Yeah. So

2:12

I that messes gonna need to be amplified,

2:14

especially when you're competing with recent he says

2:16

fifty part love drama like itself. You gotta

2:19

get this message out there. More Yes, it

2:21

was important that we get some more details

2:23

of people can understand what is leading up

2:25

to date votes in the house on the

2:28

spell which has a lot of bipartisan support.

2:30

So earlier I was able to speak with

2:32

Louise Matsakis see is a freelance tech journalists

2:34

who writes a newsletter you may also like

2:37

all about tax, ecommerce and China. I started

2:39

by asking her about how lawmakers on both

2:41

sides. For able to get on at the

2:43

same page about this issue when they have

2:45

so much difficulty doing that about literally anything

2:48

else I think what you're seeing. Right now

2:50

is the confluence of two things that are

2:52

may be the only things that Congress agrees

2:54

on right now. So the first is being

2:56

tough on China, right? This is an app

2:58

that has a Chinese parent. Company. And

3:00

then the other thing is this

3:03

idea. That social media is harmful

3:05

to children. Harmful to teenagers. So we

3:07

seen a lot of interest among lawmakers

3:09

in the last like year to about

3:11

this idea about social media as poisoning

3:14

kids' brains. Cetera, Well, yesterday, Reuters

3:16

reported that F B I director Christopher

3:18

Wray warned of the house that China

3:20

could use success of influence the coming

3:22

election earlier this week. As well the

3:24

Office of the Director of National Intelligence

3:26

issued their National Report on threat assessments

3:29

saying that the Chinese government has already

3:31

used Tic Tac to plus protein a

3:33

propaganda that have already tried to influence

3:35

it made me to midterm elections. So.

3:37

What is anything do we all know

3:40

about what that influences look like at

3:42

this point? What we know from that

3:44

report and from lots of other reporting

3:46

is that yes, The. Chinese government has

3:48

tried to use to talk to

3:50

influence the election to spread disinformation. However,

3:52

what we know is that they've

3:54

also used acts firmly notice Twitter they've

3:56

use facebook page views you to

3:58

they've used planned. The of other platforms

4:01

disrupt do the same thing and it

4:03

should be noted that those efforts aren't

4:05

something that you needed like back and

4:07

access to Tick tock in order to

4:09

do right Like this is just posting

4:12

stuff on the platforms in order to

4:14

train mislead people which is something that

4:16

we've seen your dozens of countries do

4:18

around the world on dozens of different

4:20

platforms. I think that's the really frustrating

4:23

thing about the tic. Tac to be.

4:25

Which is that? So. Little of the

4:27

information that lawmakers claimed to have see

4:29

and about the threat posed by Ted

4:31

Talks had been made public right now,

4:34

but we have is pretty hypothetical, right?

4:36

It's the idea that the Chinese government

4:38

could use Tic Tacs parent company to

4:40

influence the Us, but we disarm now.

4:43

Right? And I mean Tic Tac and

4:45

By Dance were reportedly caught on us

4:47

off guard by how quickly this legislation

4:49

started moving through Congress. It even prompted

4:52

users last week on the app to

4:54

call their lawmaker, tell them to vote.

4:56

No Annabel that seems to have. Backfired,

4:59

Firsthand, a lot makers even more eager to

5:01

get this passed. How did Tix has become

5:03

so blindsided by this? It seems like this

5:06

is that percolating a little while on our

5:08

side here at home. Yeah, I think there's

5:10

two things going on. The first one is

5:12

that I think it's fair to. Say that

5:15

the Us government is kind of been the

5:17

boy who cried wolf when it comes to

5:19

banning tic toc. It's been almost four years

5:22

since this effort started. And the other

5:24

thing as yeah, that notification that they sent

5:26

to users encouraging people to call their lawmakers.

5:28

That's a strategy that lots of companies have used and

5:30

I think in the past have been. Really effective,

5:33

right? Like the idea of call your

5:35

representatives, tell them the things that you

5:37

care about, but in this case what

5:39

lawmakers said was see This shows how

5:41

influential this app is and how the

5:43

Chinese government hides undue influence over American

5:45

voters. Interesting. Interesting answers saying. I mean

5:48

I also wanna talk about the potential

5:50

political risk here for lawmakers and in

5:52

especially democrats if they do end up

5:54

signing this bill into law. obviously a

5:56

massively popular and freshly with young people,

5:59

I don't know if one would consider

6:01

me a young person. I didn't get

6:03

that notification. Anyway, it's cool the people

6:05

be blaming if Texaco the way and

6:07

using this could backfire for of be

6:10

politicians who feel like it's a good

6:12

idea right now. First your point. About

6:14

being you know, a young person, I think you

6:16

and I are probably actually like some of the

6:18

most active. Users. On Tic taught it gets

6:20

his reputation. As being a T and Ops

6:23

by data from the Pew Research Center recently

6:25

showed that actually Tic Tacs user base is

6:27

getting older quickly and so we're talking more

6:29

about like Millennials here, right? Like voters for

6:32

sure. And I think there could be this

6:34

bizarre situation almost were. Now you're seeing Trump

6:36

say that he doesn't support banning Tic Toc

6:39

right? So he's a want to start a

6:41

business at. If Biden ends up signing this

6:43

bill, I think you could get a situation

6:45

where millions of people who love Tic Toc

6:48

or hub businesses on Tic Toc who earn

6:50

an income. From the platform could potentially be

6:52

saying hey, be no biden, cut off my income,

6:54

cut off my entertainment's maybe I'm gonna vote for

6:56

Trump right? Which would be super yes Sir Hans

6:59

And sort of ironic given that he was the

7:01

first one to bring up the idea of banning

7:03

map and the first place. Yeah, absolutely. Let's

7:05

talk about President Trump because he said

7:08

an interview with Cnbc this week that

7:10

he. Worried. Says ethically about

7:12

this backlash from young voters. They're. A. Lot

7:14

of young kids are checked out to. whom.

7:17

were go crazy without it there. A lot

7:19

of. Users.

7:22

Are this girl lot of good as is a

7:24

lot of bed with their guts. But

7:26

the. Thing I don't like is that

7:28

without ticked off you can make Facebook

7:30

bigger and I consider facebook. To.

7:32

Be an enemy of the people? What? do? You. Make

7:34

of what he has said on this and you

7:36

know his his head is in the right place

7:39

with that idea of can be conscious of the

7:41

backlash. I think the reporting. With that he may

7:43

be talk to a big tic toc investor who

7:45

is also one of his stoners arms. I think

7:47

that Trump flip flopping on an issue like this

7:50

is nothing new. But it does

7:52

set up a situation where perhaps he

7:54

could use this. Eyes are you know

7:56

leverage against Biden if this does end up

7:58

being put into law. Ah, I just think

8:00

the question is whether he can convince his

8:02

base, who he you know riled up to

8:05

be so worried about tic toc and it

8:07

being controlled by the communist party. Can he

8:09

turn around and say like? But it's not

8:11

fair for the Democrats to banner this is

8:13

a free speech issue? I'm not really sure,

8:16

but if anyone could do it, it's definitely

8:18

a candidate like him. Totally. We. Saw with

8:20

a bipartisan immigration bell that Trump support

8:22

in general can make or break legislation.

8:24

Very, We think about his opposition. Now

8:26

What do we think? That means that

8:28

a feature at this build is that

8:31

will influence the Republican party and how

8:33

they will vote for republicans. Other they

8:35

were going. To move ahead and that

8:37

they weren't you know of worried about

8:39

Trump's comments and I think that they're

8:41

motivated by hearing from so many parents

8:43

who are really worried about the impact

8:45

of social media on their kids arms.

8:47

I think right now, for whatever reason,

8:49

that voice is louder for. A

8:51

lot of lawmakers but on. The other hand, you're their

8:53

phones are ringing off the hook because they're hearing

8:56

from Tic Toc users. I think the tension between

8:58

those two groups of constituents is gonna be something

9:00

to look out for. An hour before we

9:02

let you leave I have to ask about

9:04

the possibilities for had talks features here. You

9:07

know, do we see any potential buyers lining

9:09

up as By Stance is forced to sell

9:11

the platform? You know what? What do you

9:14

feel like may happen here? It's always so.

9:16

Hard sell. I feel like I don't

9:18

think that it will be easy to

9:20

sell the platform and the number one

9:22

reason for that is that Beijing basically

9:24

made it impossible without permission to sell

9:27

weed and certain types of technologies. Including

9:29

the algorithm. Answered the

9:31

ai that powers tic toc and I

9:34

don't think thoughts see jumping is going

9:36

to allow the sale to go through

9:38

either. So what I see happening potentially

9:40

as a stalemate were Beijing says you

9:43

can't sell, Biden says you have to

9:45

sell. I man for six months or

9:47

hundred and eighty days, it's a sort

9:49

of languishes and then maybe there is

9:52

perhaps an actual ban. The. Jokes

9:54

Merman it is my entertainment then.

9:57

We'll. Is not that this. Thank you so

9:59

much for. Here, we really appreciate your time.

10:01

Examined me, And. When he does, that

10:03

was my conversation with Lose Matsakis See is

10:05

a freelance texture analysts who writes the newsletter

10:07

you may also like. We will link to

10:09

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14:04

counsel Robert Herr was a political

14:06

punching bag yesterday as he testified

14:08

before the GOP-led House Judiciary Committee.

14:11

Last month, Herr issued a report

14:13

into President Biden's handling of classified

14:15

documents and described Biden as a,

14:17

quote, well-meaning elderly man with a

14:19

poor memory. His testimony, along

14:21

with his report, showcased that Herr was

14:23

unable to justify his commentary about Biden's

14:25

memory. Democratic members of the

14:27

House noted that and were upset. Here's

14:30

Representative Adam Schiff of California grilling

14:32

Herr. I could have written your report with

14:35

comments about his specific recollection as to

14:37

documents or a set of documents, but

14:40

you chose a general pejorative reference

14:42

to the president. You understood when you

14:44

made that decision, didn't you, Mr. Herr,

14:46

that you would ignite a political firestorm

14:49

with that language, didn't you? I

14:51

appreciate the question because, of course, he should

14:53

have. Didn't you? Right.

14:56

Republicans were mad that Herr didn't use

14:58

his investigation to recommend criminal charges against

15:00

Biden. Here's Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona

15:03

saying he didn't think Herr's report went

15:05

far enough. He had guilty

15:07

knowledge. He knew and

15:10

told the guy that he's going

15:12

to expose that classified material to.

15:15

Hey, be careful. Okay,

15:17

that's ridiculous. And there's no

15:19

comparison by the actions of Donald Trump

15:22

compared to President Biden, like at all.

15:24

Zero. The White

15:26

House itself declared on Tuesday that the

15:28

president was cleared in the investigation after

15:30

Herr insisted that he did not exonerate

15:33

Biden. It is striking that there is

15:35

a transcript in this entire package of

15:37

her interviewing President Biden, which he does

15:39

comment that Biden has a photographic memory

15:41

line. Pretty well to see, especially compared

15:44

to his commentary. Wild to turn around

15:46

and then say this. Yeah.

15:48

It's just so illustrative of the kind of

15:51

people we're dealing with. The

15:53

Labor Department Released its Consumer Price Index report

15:55

yesterday, and inflation is back up in the

15:57

U.S. The report found that prices increase. A

16:00

bit in February With the price index at

16:02

three point two percent, which is up

16:04

from three point one percent in January, this

16:07

wasn't even Inflation will keep going up. Economists

16:09

are still studying the impacts of the

16:11

Federal Reserve interest rate hikes on the economy

16:13

and generally expect inflation to go down

16:15

as the your continue. but it's definitely something

16:17

to watch as President Biden campaign for

16:19

reelection. given that we know that rising costs

16:22

are top of mind for so many voters

16:24

nationwide. The. By administration announced yesterday

16:26

that it's sending three hundred million dollars

16:29

have weapons to Ukraine. White House National

16:31

Security Advisor Jake Sullivan explained that the

16:33

a package was necessary because Ukrainian troops

16:36

have been forced to rush and ammunition

16:38

here. He is in a press. Briefing:

16:40

When Russian troops advance and

16:42

it's gunfire, Ukraine does not

16:44

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16:46

That's costing to wayne. Is

16:49

costing lives and it's costing

16:51

us. The United States and

16:53

Nato Alliance strategically southern added.

16:55

That what's being sent over will only

16:57

help hold off the Russian army for

16:59

a few weeks. He says the aid

17:01

package was only possible by cobbling together

17:04

savings from other military contracts. A

17:06

more long term solution would be for

17:08

the House, the pop of billion dollar

17:10

aid package for Ukraine that already cases

17:12

Senate. Ensuring. The safety of Ukrainians is

17:14

not a priority for a publishing has

17:16

on. My Johnson has a feasible that up

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17:21

Minister Viktor Orban of Donald Trump is reelected.

17:23

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17:25

claim either. Or Bond is a

17:27

staunch ally of Russian President Vladimir Putins and

17:30

he just does it. It's for the last

17:32

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17:34

Truth Is A T V Sunday. Multiple outlets

17:36

including Nbc and the Bbc try to follow

17:38

it with Trump campaign about what Or Vaughn

17:40

said but the had not heard back. Yeah

17:42

just a preview of what Is To Com

17:45

as Donald Trump is Innocent. It's

17:47

either the while the Police department Daniel

17:49

Rodriguez announced his resignation on Tuesday that

17:51

has made a renewed backlash over how

17:54

his department responded to Twenty Twenty Two

17:56

Rob Elementary School shootings were nineteen children

17:58

and to teach. For killed. We

18:01

told you last week that you've all

18:03

the city official commissioned a reports to

18:05

investigate the absence of state and local

18:07

law enforcement officials who waited over an

18:09

hour to confront the shooter. You will

18:11

remember that the families of the victims

18:14

were furious with the reports so called

18:16

findings because the author said the police

18:18

showed foot a strains and level headed

18:20

thinking despite the fact that by all

18:22

other accounts they fail to follow protocol

18:24

at nearly every single levels right or

18:26

three. Just admitted his resignation letter hours

18:29

before the City council. Was set to

18:31

meet for the first time on Tuesday since

18:33

the controversial report was released and well as

18:35

we get. Didn't ruff as to shooting or

18:37

the report. In his letter to the department

18:39

he will quote i take pride in a

18:41

positive impact we'd made during my tenure as

18:43

as a nice and deceptive people said. It's.

18:46

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yesterday that he got a hold of

19:12

the F A presentation and report as

19:14

startling insight into the lack of. Quality

19:16

Control at the Company. The report

19:18

added that Boeing suppliers Spirit Aerosystems

19:20

underwent thirteen audits by the essay

19:22

and felt seven of them to

19:25

three Clear. Spirit. Narrow systems.

19:27

Even though it's feelings these odd it

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is not the same A Ferret Airlines

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woods felt customers on a regular customer

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as I don't know about the on

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a they might be clear on the

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bus rides. Like

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know, why am I? And it's okay to catch

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a break. A

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couple of weeks ago, the F A

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said Boeing has until the end of

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May to come up with an axe

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implants addresses quality control issue. Meanwhile, down

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under dozens were injured on a Boeing

19:56

Seven Eighty Seven operated by Lot and

19:58

Airlines on Monday. Mine was flying

20:01

between Australia and New Zealand when it's

20:03

a sudden mid air die excuse any,

20:05

it is under investigation. Terrifying. I don't

20:07

wanna take a dive in an airplane.

20:10

I don't want their server. Finally, Boeings

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problem will start showing up in your

20:14

flight certs as soon as well. Both

20:16

Southwest and Alaska Airlines announced yesterday that

20:19

the clinic that capacity for the rest

20:21

of Swanee Twenty four. we haven't even

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finished to one people. There are plenty

20:25

to put capacity, but as Boeing has

20:28

been able to deliver on their. Orders

20:30

of new planes on time. This is not

20:32

a good good sex and for the rest

20:34

of the year especially for people who are

20:37

flying last or on either of these airlines

20:39

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20:41

do I want the new Boeing plants I'm

20:43

not sure I'm not sure rate at this

20:45

point I don't feel good as I would

20:48

never nervous flier but I am I mean

20:50

and of Sicily. And finally good news for

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people who go on vacation in my to

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walk around naked after taking a shower. Air

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Bnb announced on Monday that it is banning

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home from using indoor security cameras starting April

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thirtieth. The company used to be okay with

21:03

indoor cameras as long as they were in

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common. Area is mentioned in the listening and

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clearly visible as a why it is changing

21:10

the policy now. Air Bnb simply said in

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a statement that it was due to quote

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extensive consultation with guest post privacy experts and

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advocacy group at the like that is code

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for Rob. They are liable in some way

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they didn't want to be anymore. I had

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somebody got caught doing something they shouldn't have

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been right? Yeah, narrow like we want. No

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part of this anymore. Find. Out through

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security cameras and noise monitors will still be

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allows the hosted crackdown on on authorized gases

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