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It's Thursday, March 14th. I'm Priyanka Aribindi. And

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I'm Juanita Toliver, and this is What a

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Day, the daily news pod that's worried about

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baby foxes. So we're wearing giant fox masks.

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we are doing it so that babies don't

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Twilight. One of the only nature facts I

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know. On

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today's show, lawmakers get closer to ripping my

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cherished TikTok away from me. The House passed

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the bill to ban the app and it

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rooms to munch on confiscated pot of all

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things. But first, I'm going to focus on

0:47

the current political movement for reparations and how

0:49

we got here. The notion of reparations has

0:51

been an ongoing question in this nation for

0:53

more than a century. But right now, multiple

0:56

states and localities have launched studies and introduced

0:58

legislation to try to make it happen. There

1:01

seems to be a real possibility of black people

1:03

finally getting some form of restitution. Yes. OK,

1:05

I'm really glad that you are digging into

1:07

this today. Tell us more. California has been

1:10

leading the nation when it comes to reparations

1:12

legislation. What have they proposed in

1:14

their bill so far? At the end of

1:16

January, members of California's legislative Black Caucus introduced

1:18

14 measures that include

1:21

proposals for restoring property taken

1:23

during race-based uses of eminent

1:25

domain, protections for natural hairstyles,

1:27

amending the California Constitution to

1:30

prohibit involuntary servitude for incarcerated

1:32

persons and more. The proposals are

1:34

backed up by previously conducted studies

1:36

related to state sanctioned racism. And

1:38

more states are likely to follow

1:41

California's first in the nation proposals

1:43

as Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Colorado and

1:45

New York have also launched studies.

1:47

But have you ever imagined what would

1:50

actually happen if the descendants of formerly

1:52

enslaved people received reparations? Like how would

1:54

their lives be impacted? What

1:56

changes would they experience in their communities? More

1:58

importantly, now that we've live in a time

2:01

when reparations are being studied and proposed in a

2:03

substantive way? When could they arrive

2:05

and how many different forms of restitution should be

2:07

considered? So Priyanka, I talked

2:09

earlier with Pulitzer Prize and Emmy Award

2:11

winning journalist, MSNBC correspondent, and host Tremaine

2:13

Lee. He begins to answer those

2:16

questions with his series, Uncounted Millions, Black America's

2:18

Fight to be Made Whole. Lee's

2:20

podcast takes listeners on a multi-generational

2:22

journey about how one American family

2:24

moved from slavery to freedom during

2:26

times of war and peace, examining

2:28

the impact of reparations every step

2:31

of the way. The finale

2:33

comes out tomorrow. I started by

2:35

asking Tremaine to break down how we arrived at this

2:37

moment when reparations are actually on the table. We've

2:39

known as black folks that there's been so much stripped

2:41

from us, so much that has been stolen

2:43

from us, so much that has been denied us through history.

2:46

And so we finally found ourselves in the moment after decades

2:49

and decades of really inaction

2:51

on the federal level, right? H.R. 40 has

2:53

been introduced a number of times by John

2:55

Conyers and then by Shale Jackson Lee. But

2:58

what we're seeing now is some movement on the state level. I think

3:00

states have figured out to a

3:02

degree a formula in which you can apply

3:04

actual injury. You can say this is

3:06

how real people have been harmed. This is how the

3:09

state stripped you of land or wealth or

3:11

resources and they're using that as a way

3:13

to show actual harm. And

3:15

so far we're seeing movement in Chicago, Illinois,

3:17

and now New York. At least California

3:19

now, they've pushed further actually introducing bills, but in

3:22

other states they're actually forming task forces to actually

3:24

engage with the idea of reparations and what it

3:26

could look like if you were to make

3:29

black folks whole. I appreciate you mentioning

3:31

California because they're leading the nation, as

3:33

you said, they're pushing through actual legislation

3:35

here. They did establish a reparations task

3:37

force back in 2020 to produce

3:40

a report about how systemic racism has

3:42

impacted black residents, but they have yet

3:44

to actually compensate anybody. Like what is

3:46

the holdup there? Because we know California

3:49

lawmakers introduced 14 reparations bills in January,

3:51

but none of them include any kind

3:53

of system for cash payouts. So what's

3:55

standing in the way of states like

3:58

California actually delivering on reparations? A

4:00

lot of folks who legit because they don't

4:02

believe that black folks deserve it and levels

4:04

are worthy of any kind of reparations, little

4:06

cash payments. And why I think some of

4:08

the plan here is knowing how much prospector

4:11

actually will be around. the idea of cutting

4:13

sex to black people making to these some

4:15

these bills is like returning property that was

4:17

stolen to eminent domain, especially if the fuel

4:19

of that taking was race based. Yes, and

4:21

so I think they're trying to post. isn't

4:24

a way where again they can so actual

4:26

real harm or real family whose business was

4:28

taken through urban renewal which many call. Negro

4:30

removal on this of across this country, trying

4:32

to show like actual incidents, actual acts of

4:35

actual thefts as I think it's gonna be

4:37

an uphill battle. but I think they're further

4:39

along than most may actually have the gumption

4:41

to not only study it in whole the

4:43

harms of slavery actually putting some say to

4:46

that in a way that I think I'm

4:48

you know might lead the way for others.

4:50

And your podcast follows the story of

4:52

Gabriel Coakley, one of the only black.

4:55

People to receive anything. Close to

4:57

reparations. any impact it had on his

4:59

life you described him as a singular

5:01

focus. Go get her was really

5:03

just about his business assessing I came

5:06

set free his family. So how

5:08

does this story make the case for

5:10

have reparations can provide through restitution to

5:12

descendants of formally enslaved. People There are

5:15

so many people who lived a Black

5:17

American experience that will never understand. People

5:19

who have been in a loft the

5:21

time get lost in records but there

5:23

are heroes and matches the big names

5:25

that we've all heard of right? But

5:27

these names by Gabriel called me who

5:29

was a free man in the eighteen

5:31

sixties and started an oyster business and

5:34

became very successful and he started to

5:36

buy his people's freedom because in Dc

5:38

at the time in the eighteen fifty

5:40

the sixties you etti sizable population of

5:42

free black people. right next

5:44

door to a huge population of enslave

5:46

black people and sometimes those folks were

5:48

in the same household so give your

5:50

cookies wife and his keys were asked

5:52

to enslave while he was free so

5:54

he began to buy his people's freedom

5:56

one by one and then in eighteen

5:58

sixty two as lincoln mowing this idea

6:01

of emancipating enslaved people in DC a

6:03

year before the Emancipation Proclamation. Their

6:05

scheme was, hey, why don't we just pay reparations

6:07

for slave owners? We'll

6:09

free their enslaved people, but why don't we just make

6:11

them whole for the value that they're going to lose

6:14

in their enslaved people? Make them whole?

6:16

I'm confused. The focus on the

6:18

enslavers making them whole? Reparations

6:20

for slavery, but for white people. So

6:23

this actually is signed into law and

6:25

they end up allotting 0.2% of the federal

6:27

budget, which in today's dollars will be $12

6:30

billion to make

6:32

white enslavers whole. And so we start pouring

6:35

through this list because I had this idea.

6:37

I'm like, you know what? How does this

6:39

kind of solidify caste in DC and America?

6:42

And so while we're looking through this list of the

6:44

white enslavers who got reparations, we find a

6:46

black man's name, Gabriel Cokley, and start

6:48

to uncover this story of how he

6:50

freed his people and how he opted

6:52

not to register his family as free

6:54

people. So what happens is if

6:56

you became free or you bought somebody's freedom, you had

6:58

to register them as free people. But he decided not

7:01

to as a form of protection because if you free

7:03

them and they're free, as long as

7:05

slavery is still legal and he's the, by the letter

7:07

of the law, they're slave owner, then he has some

7:09

sort of legal protection. So because he

7:12

was still technically an enslaver by the letter

7:14

of the law, he was able to apply

7:16

for reparations for his people and got

7:18

it to the tune of today's value, $170,000. About

7:22

90% of black people in this country are still

7:25

enslaved. And so what we

7:27

see happen generations after he's buying

7:29

property, he's building his business, his

7:32

descendants become deans at Howard University. This story

7:34

of Gabriel Cokley is a story of what

7:36

could have been, if only black folks

7:38

were made whole. Just imagine the

7:40

possibilities if America finally for once

7:42

did right by us. It's

7:44

also the perfect rebuttal to people like I

7:47

think one of the episodes played a clip

7:49

of Mitch McConnell, of course, being like, well,

7:51

we ain't got nothing to do with this.

7:53

It's been a century plus. We're not responsible.

7:56

I sense your passion in this topic. I want

7:58

to know as you were. researching it,

8:01

what was the fact or

8:03

the storyline or the thread that you

8:05

pulled on that gave you the most shock

8:07

and surprise? There were a number of surprises. I

8:09

think in episode three, this wasn't just archival tape

8:11

and it wasn't just sitting with the family. And

8:13

we were in the bowels of some of these

8:16

local archives tracking from Gabriel Cokley,

8:18

freeing his people and getting compensated through the

8:20

generations until now. And so by following these

8:22

descendants and getting into the ancestors story, I

8:24

think it reveals a lot

8:27

about how we've lived and died in this

8:29

country. But the story of Gabriel Cokley alone, I mean, the

8:31

idea that when we think of, first of all, when we

8:33

think of slavery, I think we

8:35

think of that agricultural, that cotton,

8:37

that tobacco, that sugar cane,

8:39

that deep South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana.

8:42

But slavery looks different if you're in a Charleston where

8:44

there are certainly a lot of torturous

8:47

harvesting of rice. DC is the same

8:49

thing, where folks are being leased to

8:52

other people. So I think this also

8:54

reveals the diversity of our experiences through

8:56

enslavement. And the idea that there is

8:58

this bubbling population of free black people

9:00

in this country, while

9:02

the country is raging at war,

9:04

right? Over the very ideal of freedom and

9:06

slavery. And so I think I learned a

9:09

lot in reporting this, but as always is going back

9:11

to real people, how they

9:13

really lived. And that these ideas that

9:15

we have right now of reaching towards

9:17

freedom and trying to reach towards a

9:19

fuller sense of our citizenship, we've always

9:21

had that. That is not new.

9:23

That's what we've inherited. When you think about reparations, you

9:25

can't help but think about the terror

9:27

and the horrors and the violence, but

9:29

there also was beauty and ingenuity and

9:32

love and family. And thank you for

9:34

layering it through humanity, right? That's the

9:36

lens that I hope everyone listens with.

9:38

I know the season finale of Uncounted

9:40

Millions is dropping this week. So without

9:42

giving it all away again, no spoilers

9:44

in this part. Can you tell us

9:46

what listeners can expect to hear as

9:48

the series wraps up and what one

9:51

thing, if any one thing that you

9:53

want them to take away from listening? I

9:55

think that this struggle lives

9:57

with us, that we've had to fight and we've

9:59

had to push. We've had to lift our

10:01

voices in ways that, you know, our collective

10:03

throats are our horse at this point from

10:06

carrying the shouts of our ancestors, right? But

10:08

I think that what we see happening

10:10

in California and Illinois and in New

10:12

York is by virtue of what we've

10:15

inherited, that struggle. And it's not just

10:17

struggle against an oppressive force, it's struggle

10:19

in the name of everyone that came

10:21

before us. And so I

10:23

think this family, the Flatto Coakley family,

10:25

you know, they embody the sense of

10:27

Gabriel Coakley. The spirit lives on.

10:30

It's been a beautiful story to tell. It's actually one

10:32

of those that like hurts to wrap up. I'm like,

10:34

can we get a bonus? Right. Because

10:36

I'm like, oh, I need visuals for this

10:38

experience too, if you haven't made those arrangements.

10:41

So come on. But I do hope that

10:43

people really walk away with

10:45

the sense that these ideas of us being

10:47

made whole, it's not just about a paycheck,

10:49

even though cut the checks, but it really

10:52

is about getting our arms around the fullness

10:54

of our citizenship, because, you know,

10:56

it's arguable that we're not yet full

10:58

citizens. Which is a component of restitution,

11:01

sitting in our rights fully. Come on. I think it's

11:03

important because people hear reparations and you didn't own those

11:06

slaves and I ain't owned those slaves and you were

11:08

never a slave. That's not nearly

11:10

the point. As Tanasi says,

11:12

a country can't just claim its credits without its

11:14

debits. And so hopefully folks walk away with a

11:16

better understanding of what could be and what could

11:19

have been. That was my conversation

11:21

with Tremaine Lee, Pulitzer Prize and Emmy

11:23

Award winning journalist, MSNBC correspondent and host

11:25

of Uncounted Millions, Black America's fight to

11:27

be made whole. The finale

11:29

comes out tomorrow. You can listen to Uncounted Millions

11:32

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the house overwhelmingly passed the bill

15:50

to give TikTok's Chinese owner ByteDance

15:52

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American assets or be banned

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to 65. Any

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backlash was swift. A spokesperson from

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16:07

that the US advancing the bill

16:09

was, quote, resorting to acts of

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bullying. As a reminder,

16:14

US lawmakers were worried about the

16:16

Chinese government's possible control over TikTok.

16:18

So the Chinese foreign ministry criticizing

16:20

the vote isn't helping to

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dispel any of those concerns. But

16:25

the bill's next steps in the Senate are

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more up in the air. We will obviously

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continue to follow it. And I mean, have

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personal skin in the game. So don't worry.

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I'm on it, guys. You said from my

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cold and hand. Y'all

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can cut that. No, it's true. Turning

16:45

to the election interference case against former

16:47

president Donald Trump in Georgia, a judge

16:49

dismissed three of the criminal counts against

16:51

him on Wednesday. Fulton County Superior Court

16:53

judge Scott McAfee also dismissed three other

16:56

counts against some of his co-defendants. The

16:58

charges were all related to whether they

17:00

tried to coerce Georgia officials to violate

17:02

their oaths of office. McAfee decided that

17:04

the allegations by prosecutors were not detailed

17:06

enough. The good news is that McAfee

17:09

left 35 other criminal counts intact, including

17:11

10 charges against Trump. This

17:13

includes the central racketeering charge against Trump

17:15

and his 14 remaining co-defendants, all of

17:17

whom have pleaded not guilty. Also

17:20

this week, Judge McAfee is expected to

17:22

decide whether Fulton County District Attorney Fannie

17:24

Willis should be disqualified from the case

17:26

because of misconduct allegations. Independent

17:29

presidential candidate Robert R. Kennedy, Jr. is

17:31

dropping his pick for vice president very

17:33

soon. And among the people he has

17:36

considered for the nightmare position is New

17:38

York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The

17:40

New York Times reported yesterday that R.F.K.

17:42

Jr. has been in touch with Rodgers,

17:45

quote, pretty continuously. It's not entirely surprising.

17:47

Rodgers endorsed R.F.K. Jr. in November. They

17:49

are both vehement anti-vaxxers. And CNN reported

17:51

that the Super Bowl champion has also

17:53

shared conspiracies in the past about the

17:55

Sandy Hook shooting not being real and

17:57

that it was a government Inside.

18:00

That sounds like person is deeply deeply

18:02

rooted in reality and definitely someone who

18:04

should be given a platform. Also this

18:06

amount of alarm and in conspiracy theories

18:08

if I can a they are the

18:11

same page and the word away. Now

18:13

that and yes these are the same

18:15

disgusting theory that prompted the families of

18:17

the Sandy Hook victims to sue conspiracy

18:20

theorists Alex Jones. Also, unless a possible

18:22

contenders for Osu Junior sick it is

18:24

former Minnesota Governor and former wrestler Jesse

18:26

Ventura. Rpg Annual make a Dc announcement

18:29

on March twenty. Six in Oakland, California. He

18:31

bet your bottom dollar. I will not be watching

18:33

that. Was

18:35

all I'm sorry. I'm sorry to Oakland. Honestly,

18:37

that's why I'm sorry tale sorry about the

18:40

convergence of the crazies. In Northern

18:42

Gaza, the United Nations delivered aid for

18:44

the first time in three weeks. The

18:46

Israeli military said a small convoy of

18:48

six trucks carrying Russians use the new

18:51

military ruff to enter through an Israeli

18:53

border crossing. On Tuesday, the convoy carried

18:55

enough food for around twenty five thousand

18:57

people, but the Un has warned that

18:59

more than half a million people in

19:02

Gaza are nearing salmon getting foods. Northern

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Gaza has been particularly challenging since a

19:06

group of had to enter through to

19:08

enter points along the southern border. Also,

19:10

on Tuesday, A ship headed for

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Gaza carrying two hundred tons of food

19:15

departure from Cyprus and on Wednesday an

19:17

aid worker died and more than twenty

19:19

others were injured after Israel struck a

19:21

food distribution center in Rafah, Us according

19:24

to the United Nations Relief and Works

19:26

Agency, but the Israeli military so the

19:28

strike was quote precisely targeted to kill

19:30

of mass commander. and just

19:32

a warning if the next story that

19:35

were didn't discuss mention suicide the death

19:37

of oklahoma teen next benedict has been

19:39

ruled a suicide at that as according

19:41

to a report released yesterday by the

19:43

state's office of the chief medical examiner

19:45

nexus transgender and they died on february

19:47

eighth one day after getting into a

19:49

site in a girl's bathroom at a

19:51

while so high school their mother told

19:53

the independent that next had been repeatedly

19:55

bullied at school over their gender identity

19:58

they said of the bullying dot not

20:00

long after Oklahoma Republican governor Kevin Stitt

20:02

signed a law forcing public school students

20:04

to use the bathroom that first gone

20:06

to their sick at birth. Nexus

20:09

family had yet to comment on the medical examiner's

20:11

report as of our recording time at 9.30 p.m.

20:13

Eastern on Wednesday night, but earlier this

20:16

month the Education Department launched an investigation

20:18

into whether the Owaso school district failed

20:20

to address the harassment of students. A

20:23

spokesperson for the school district confirmed the

20:25

investigation to NBC and said that the

20:27

district was cooperating but believes that the

20:30

investigation was quote without merit.

20:33

In a statement about the examiner's report,

20:35

the human rights campaign said quote, next

20:37

was failed by so many and should

20:39

still be here today. We'll put a

20:41

link to organizations that give resources to LGBTQ

20:43

kids who are bullied into our show notes.

20:46

And finally let's end on a

20:48

problem facing the New Orleans police.

20:51

Someone is destroying evidence or actually

20:53

some things. The rat's eating

20:55

our marijuana. They're all high.

20:57

That's not like that's a

20:59

problem. I don't know. The tone

21:02

is what made me giggle.

21:04

I apologize. This is a

21:07

serious problem. That's New Orleans

21:09

police superintendent and Kirkpatrick talking to the city

21:11

council on Monday. It was

21:13

one of the many examples she

21:15

described her department is dealing with

21:17

because deteriorating buildings. She also described

21:19

a pretty serious infestation of cockroaches.

21:21

Oh my god. Molds and

21:24

no functioning restrooms. Oh

21:26

my gosh. What's going on here? Wow. Kirkpatrick

21:29

used all of this as evidence for why

21:31

the police department's headquarters should move to a

21:33

better location downtown. Yet another city where the

21:35

rats are fully in charge. The humans have

21:37

no. I'm sorry. We need

21:39

to give up. We need to give up. We

21:42

need to move out where the rats. We

21:44

are moving underground. The rats have taken over

21:46

above. Oh god. It's a paradigm shift. That's

21:48

fine. And those are the headlines.

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