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It's Friday, February seventeenth. I'm

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TreyVEL, Anderson. And I'm Priyanka

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Vivendi, and this is what a day where

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we are happy to live in world where NFL

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football no longer

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exists. I haven't heard anything about

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it in a minute. I can only

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assume that means it's gone forever.

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Yeah. We're probably in for a root

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awakening of sorts in about seven

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months or so, but for now, it's

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auto bliss. On

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today's show, there has been another big

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train derailment. Plus, we'll dig into

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why Microsoft's new chat spot is so

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inexplicably, thirsty, so

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inexplicably. Dad.

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It's got a lot of things going on. A

0:45

lot of things. But

0:47

first, president Biden has finally

0:49

spoken publicly about those three

0:51

Thingamabobbins or unidentified

0:54

flying objects if you prefer that

0:56

language that we're flying in

0:58

our airspace throughout last

1:00

weekend. We don't yet know exactly

1:02

what these three objects were. But

1:04

nothing right now suggests they were related

1:06

to China's spy balloon program or

1:08

that there were surveillance vehicles from

1:11

any other country. Intelligence community's

1:13

current assessment is that these three objects

1:16

were most likely balloons tied to private

1:18

companies recreation or

1:20

research institutions studying weather

1:22

or conducting other scientific research.

1:25

So as you heard, the Air President Biden

1:27

basically reiterated what we already

1:30

knew. Right? That the three items that

1:32

were most recently shot down are

1:34

not other spy balloons and that they

1:36

did not represent a risk to

1:38

our national security. So

1:40

good news there. The intelligence community's

1:43

current assessment is that these Thingamabobbins

1:45

were most likely balloons tied to private

1:47

companies or research institutions

1:50

that, you know, we're studying weather

1:52

and doing other stuff that

1:54

requires the scientific method. And whatnot.

1:57

Now, senators attended a classified

2:00

briefing earlier this week about these

2:02

objects. According to political,

2:04

they were basically just told that the

2:06

thing in the Bobmins were not aliens, which

2:08

I guess is good information. Cool.

2:11

But not much more else than that.

2:14

Senate majority whip Dick Durbin summed

2:16

up the briefing saying, quote, it

2:18

answered a lot of questions and raised

2:20

a lot of

2:21

questions. I know one question

2:23

that I have personally. We know this isn't the

2:25

first time we've seen balloons and other objects in

2:27

our air space, but four total

2:29

items that have been shot down over the last

2:31

a couple weeks really feels like a

2:33

lot. So can you tell us like why it

2:35

feels like we're seeing so many of

2:38

them? Is this just like, you know, you see one and

2:40

suddenly you see it everywhere? Or are we actually,

2:42

like, getting way more of these than

2:44

we ever have

2:45

before? Part of the reason it feels like,

2:47

you know, something is amiss here

2:49

in that we may or may not be

2:52

being invaded by extra trestrials

2:55

is because, you know, we went not even

2:57

thinking about things flying in the sky to all

2:59

of a sudden having four mostly

3:01

unexplainable Thingamabobbins in the air,

3:04

that at least initially were concerning

3:06

enough for the government to shoot them down.

3:08

That obviously causes concern, and

3:10

I'm sure our tin hat siblings

3:13

have been, you know, having a field day over

3:15

on Reddit with all of

3:17

this. Right? But here's what Biden

3:19

had to say to that point. I wanna

3:21

be clear. We don't have any evidence

3:23

that there has been a sudden increase in

3:25

number of objects in the sky. We're now

3:27

just seeing more of them partially because

3:30

the steps we've taken some narrower

3:32

radars.

3:33

So basically, they made the radar

3:35

detection systems more sensitive,

3:38

and so they're detecting more things

3:40

but that doesn't necessarily mean

3:42

that there have been more things

3:45

out there if that makes

3:46

sense. Yeah.

3:47

Totally. And as I mentioned before, we now

3:49

know that these objects likely had

3:52

more mundane purposes than

3:54

actual surveillance. But remember, The

3:56

very first Thingamabobbins from a couple weeks

3:58

ago, the one that's since been confirmed

4:01

as part of a massive surveillance

4:03

program by China. Now

4:05

that one is something to potentially

4:07

be concerned about. And in his press conference

4:09

yesterday, president Biden had no regrets

4:12

about shooting it down. As I've said since the

4:14

beginning of my administration, we see

4:16

competition, not conflict with

4:18

China. We're not looking for a new

4:20

coal war. But I make no apologies

4:23

and we will

4:24

compete. We responsibly manage

4:27

that competition so that it doesn't veer into

4:29

conflict. He went on to say

4:31

that open lines of communication were

4:33

important and that he looks forward to

4:35

talking with Chinese president Xi Jinping

4:38

to get to the bottom of why, you know,

4:40

they're poking their noses in our business.

4:43

So overall, not really

4:45

a substantive update on all

4:47

of this, which you know, guarantees

4:50

that we'll be talking about it for some

4:52

time to come. And we will be sure

4:54

to keep y'all posted and let you know

4:56

if you actually need to disavow Stephen

4:59

Spielberg's ET in case the

5:01

aliens do decide to invade

5:03

because I'm sure they are watching

5:05

us in being very judgmental right

5:07

now. Yeah. Very but switching

5:09

gears a little bit Let's talk about the report

5:12

from the special grand jury in Georgia on

5:14

alleged election interference by former president

5:16

Donald Trump. Portions of that report

5:18

have been released and they revealed that special

5:20

grand jury saw possible evidence of perjury

5:23

by one or more witnesses who testified

5:26

before them.

5:26

Okay. This doesn't sound good

5:28

for A few people, at least.

5:31

Nope. But for those of us who haven't

5:33

been, you know, keeping up to

5:35

the minute tabs on mister Trump and

5:37

his legal issues,

5:39

recap for us what we need to know here.

5:41

Yeah. No. We've got you. Don't worry. So this investigation

5:44

is one of several that could result

5:46

in criminal charges against Trump, as I said,

5:48

it concerns election interference by Trump

5:50

and his allies during the twenty twenty election,

5:53

specifically concerning Georgia. And

5:55

this, of course, also comes as Trump

5:57

is campaigning once again to

6:00

become president. So just

6:02

a fun backdrop for all of this.

6:04

Fulton County District Attorney, Fannie Willis,

6:06

started investigating nearly two years ago.

6:08

This has been ongoing for quite some time,

6:11

and this special grand jury was part of

6:13

this process. This grand jury had to

6:15

consider the evidence and testimony from

6:17

dozens of witnesses, including some

6:19

very prominent allies of the former president,

6:22

and then issue a final report with

6:24

recommendations on any further action,

6:26

excerpts of that report or what came out yesterday.

6:29

The special grand jury can't issue indictments

6:31

themselves, but after getting the report, DA

6:33

Willis will get to decide whether or not to

6:35

go to a regular grand jury to pursue

6:37

criminal charges. It would be unprecedented

6:40

if criminal charges were filed against Trump.

6:42

But, you know, he also kind of

6:45

smashed the term unprecedented to

6:47

smithereens when he suggested that

6:49

Georgia's secretary of state Brad Ravensburger could

6:51

just find the exact number of

6:53

votes that he needed to win Georgia

6:56

back in twenty

6:57

twenty, and that was, like, no big

6:59

deal.

6:59

Yeah. It's still absurd to me

7:02

that he thought

7:03

Crazy. It's crazy. Yeah.

7:04

Up third. So back to this

7:07

report, what did we learn? Yes. So

7:09

a five page excerpt of the report was

7:11

released on Thursday. It revealed a few

7:13

key things. First, it show

7:15

that the majority of the grand jury believes that

7:17

one or more of the witnesses that they heard

7:19

testimony from committed perjury,

7:22

aka, one or more of these people lied

7:24

under oath. That is not good.

7:26

That is a crime. Not allowed. They

7:29

are recommending that Diana Willis file

7:31

the appropriate indictments for

7:33

that. So they wanted her to go after these

7:35

people. They also made sure to note

7:37

that they unanimously agree that there was

7:39

no widespread fraud that Trump

7:41

and his allies were claiming that wasn't, like,

7:44

necessarily a thing that they had to get to the bottom

7:46

of. But, like, just to reiterate, they

7:48

were, like, none of us believe a

7:50

word that you are saying. We also

7:52

have reason to believe that the rest of the report is pretty

7:55

short. It's probably only nine pages in total.

7:57

The five pages that were released for the intro,

7:59

the conclusion, and the section about the

8:01

perjury. According to the Fulton County

8:03

Superior Court judge, who was overseeing the

8:05

release of his report, The parts that haven't

8:08

been shared contain a list of who

8:10

should or shouldn't be indicted, and

8:12

for what charges. He said that releasing

8:14

that list would violate due process of

8:16

these quote, potential future defendants,

8:19

which is how I'm gonna start referring to these

8:21

people. Mhmm. Because this wasn't

8:23

a trial. There were no lawyers presenting

8:25

evidence and advocating for them. They weren't

8:27

allowed to rebut any claims.

8:30

You know, these were really just people being called

8:32

in to give testimony, and

8:34

that's

8:35

it. That's just not how our legal system

8:37

works. Yeah. But I need the tea, Priyanka.

8:40

Who do we think could have

8:42

lied

8:42

here. Yeah. It's a real who done it. We

8:44

all wanna know. Honestly, we probably will

8:46

know pretty soon, but we got a lot

8:48

of options. So seventy five witnesses

8:51

testified to the grand jury, including some

8:53

big names in the Trump world, former

8:55

Trump attorney, and disgraced former New York City

8:57

mayor, Rudy Giuliani, disgraced current

9:00

US senator Lindsey Graham former

9:02

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows who just has

9:04

all lawyers been at disgrace. So nothing

9:06

new to add there. And other lawyers

9:08

and officials who were involved in Trump's attempts

9:10

to overthrow the election results all kind

9:12

of showed up to testify before this

9:14

grand jury. Notably, Trump himself

9:17

is not included in the list. He didn't appear before

9:19

the grand jury. I am hoping personally

9:21

that they are saving something extra special

9:23

just for him at the end of

9:25

this.

9:25

Oh, yes. But of course, this is just one

9:27

of the many ongoing legal issues

9:29

that he is facing all while he

9:31

remains the Republican front runner,

9:33

no offense. Nikki Haley, that is just

9:36

the facts at this

9:36

time. What's that?

9:37

The truth is the truth, miss Nikki,

9:40

no shade all tea is what it is.

9:42

Okay? Sorry, Nick.

9:46

We will keep an eye on how this all

9:48

shakes out for sure. But in the meantime,

9:51

that is the latest for now. Let's

10:00

get to some headlines. Headlines.

10:06

Pennsylvania senator John Federman voluntarily

10:09

checked himself into a hospital to

10:11

treat his clinical depression on Wednesday.

10:14

In a statement yesterday, his office said Federman

10:16

has experienced depression on and off throughout

10:18

his life, but it had become more severe

10:21

in the last few weeks. Veteran made the

10:23

decision following an evaluation on Monday

10:25

from the attending position of Congress.

10:28

It's not clear how long he'll stay at

10:30

Walter Reed, NASH military medical

10:32

center. This follows the senator's

10:34

hospitalization just last week after

10:36

he reported feeling light headed at a day

10:38

long senate democratic retreat. Federman

10:40

has also had to adjust to life in Washington

10:43

following his near fatal stroke last year

10:45

just days before the Democratic primary.

10:48

His wife, Jazelle Barreto Federman,

10:50

said in a tweet that she was proud of him for

10:52

asking for help and asked for privacy

10:55

for her

10:55

family. Yeah. This is such a big deal.

10:57

He's in a very public position. You

10:59

can't do anything remotely close

11:01

to this as someone in his position without

11:04

the world knowing about it. So it is

11:06

very brave to seek treatment.

11:08

We, you know, wish him nothing

11:10

but the best and an easy recovery.

11:14

Another Norfolk Southern Freight trained at carrying

11:16

hazardous materials has derailed.

11:19

This time in Van Buren Township near

11:21

Detroit, Michigan. Local authorities

11:23

reported that none of train cars containing the hazardous

11:25

materials were compromised in yesterday's incident,

11:28

but this comes on the heels of the Norfolk

11:30

Southern train derailment in East Palestine,

11:32

Ohio earlier this month. Where the release

11:34

of toxic chemicals it was carrying has raised

11:36

questions from residents about air,

11:39

soil, and water contamination. As

11:41

we told you on yesterday's show, officials in Ohio

11:43

have flip flopped on their guidance, first

11:45

recommending on Tuesday that residents drink

11:47

bottled water as precaution, but by Wednesday,

11:50

telling them that tap water was safe

11:52

to drink. Meanwhile, White House spokesperson

11:54

Korean Jom here said yesterday that the Biden

11:56

administration will hold the rail operator

11:59

accountable.

12:00

Okay. But, like, what does that actually

12:03

mean? You're gonna hold them accountable. I

12:05

need specifics

12:06

careen. We

12:06

would like some details.

12:07

Listen. Okay. It's

12:09

a good idea, but we gotta know a little

12:10

more. Right. The LA

12:13

County chair of Robert Luna, has tapped

12:15

a former federal prosecutor to break

12:17

up deputy gangs within the department.

12:19

Aileen Decker, who was once president

12:21

of the civilian oversight board for the LAPD

12:24

will also ensure that the department complies

12:27

with multiple settlements over excessive

12:29

use of force committed by deputies.

12:32

The department has faced allegations for

12:34

decades that secret and sometimes

12:36

violent racist gangs operate

12:38

within share of stations and inside

12:40

the county's jail system. A twenty

12:42

twenty one report found that there have been

12:44

at least eighteen of those groups over

12:46

years some of which behaved like street

12:49

gangs, complete with matching tattoos. The

12:51

move by share of Luna is a market departure

12:53

from his predecessor sir Alex Via Nueva,

12:56

who had promised to reform the department and tackle

12:58

deputy gangs, but repeatedly blocked

13:00

oversight efforts to investigate the problem.

13:03

Tesla said yesterday that it must recall

13:05

nearly three hundred sixty three thousand

13:07

of its electric vehicles over its

13:09

controversial full self driving

13:11

software. The system is essentially

13:13

a souped up version of cruise control except

13:15

the car can accelerate, brake, and even

13:17

navigate city streets on its own with

13:20

caveat that a person should be ready to take in role

13:22

at any time. However, according

13:24

to federal safety regulators, Tesla vehicles

13:26

equipped with the self driving software have serious

13:29

issues handling basic traffic rules when

13:31

activated. Like staying within the speed limit,

13:33

properly turning at intersections, or completely

13:35

stopping at stop signs. Kinda like

13:38

most drivers in LA if you stop

13:40

and think about it, which we aren't gonna

13:42

do. That's not the point we're trying to make.

13:44

Many Tesla owners have already noticed that the feature

13:46

is a little material, one model three driver

13:49

told CNN business that her car either

13:51

tends to drive way too close to large trucks

13:53

or otherwise quote, drive

13:55

like a grandpa. Tesla is expected

13:57

to fix the issue with a software update

14:00

in the coming weeks.

14:02

YouTube's Susan widgets is

14:04

stepping down as CEO of the video

14:06

platform. Wajidky, who will continue

14:08

to work with the company in an advisory role

14:11

announced the news publicly in a blog post

14:13

Thursday. Wajeski's ties to

14:15

YouTube's parent company, Google Run Deep.

14:17

In nineteen ninety eight, While working

14:19

at Intel, she rented out the garage

14:21

of her Minlow Park California home

14:23

to Stanford PhD students Larry

14:26

Page and Sergei Brent for some extra

14:28

cash to help pay her mortgage. Page

14:30

and Brent used that space to found

14:33

Google. And the following year, Wajidky

14:35

joined as their sixteenth employee and

14:37

its first marketing manager. A

14:39

major advocate for Google's one point six

14:42

five billion dollar acquisition of YouTube

14:44

in two thousand six, she became CEO

14:47

of the video sharing site in twenty fourteen.

14:49

She also oversaw the company during a period

14:51

of rapid growth, as well as controversy

14:54

as Google and YouTube have struggled in recent

14:56

years to curb misinformation and radicalization

14:59

on their platforms. My takeaway

15:01

from this. I don't have a garage. I'm gonna

15:03

need to get one. That's why you

15:06

get rich with this. Scheme. Yes. I

15:08

need a garage. On

15:11

Tuesday, we said goodbye to the o g of typing

15:13

the first noun you could think of adding a dot

15:15

com and just seeing where the worldwide

15:17

web could take you. After announcing

15:20

its impending retirement last June, Microsoft's

15:22

Internet Explorer web browser officially went

15:25

defunct this week. Internet

15:27

Explorer launched in nineteen ninety five, it

15:29

was one of the first and most popular

15:31

browsers on the Internet. Microsoft made

15:33

the browser so ubiquitous the Supreme Court

15:36

almost broke up the company in the early two thousands

15:38

to try and curb its dominance. But

15:40

still, by two thousand and three, Internet slur was responsible

15:43

for ninety five percent of the web traffic market.

15:45

Over the years, the original browser fell behind

15:48

in a rapidly developing field surpassed

15:50

by competitors like Mozilla Firefox

15:52

and Google Chrome. But we'll never forget

15:54

it for what it once was. Rest in case Internet

15:57

Explorer, when you were great, you were truly

15:59

nothing but net.

16:01

Yeah. It kinda reminds me of

16:03

the fact that, like, when you get an Apple product,

16:05

Safari is already uploaded

16:07

on

16:08

it, but nobody uses Safari either.

16:10

Yeah. Safar.

16:11

So we might be saying RIP to her

16:13

too soon, you know. Separar,

16:15

he's watching this. He might know it a little

16:17

bit. Get nervous. Listen.

16:20

Okay. And those are

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their web cams witnessing them

20:05

kissing and cuddling, which weird.

20:08

What? Creepy. Not

20:10

okay. Okay. In another user

20:12

interaction, Bing responds to a simple

20:15

request for Avatar two show times

20:17

by claiming they can't see it yet because

20:19

the year is actually twenty twenty two

20:22

And when the user insists it's twenty twenty

20:24

three, Bing gets upset, which is,

20:26

you know, interesting. The bot

20:28

has emotions. Me too,

20:30

Ricky. And

20:33

in conversation with New York Times reporter

20:35

Kevin Roos, Bing reveals its real

20:37

name to be Sydney, before

20:39

confessing its ardent love for the

20:41

journalist, saying, actually, you're

20:44

not happily married. You're spouse and

20:46

you don't love each other. You just had

20:48

a boring Valentine's Day dinner together,

20:50

which, like, don't be reading people

20:52

like

20:53

that. Like, come back. Don't

20:54

drag them. Oh my god. Ruth

20:57

wrote about his discussion with the bot in

20:59

a piece titled why a conversation with

21:02

Bing's chat bot left me deeply unsettled

21:04

concluding that being is far from

21:07

ready for prime time. So I asked

21:09

you Priyanka, how are you feeling

21:11

about the impending AI chat

21:13

bot

21:13

takeover? K. I got a lot of thoughts

21:16

here. First, who is asking for

21:18

these chatbots? Why do you keep building them?

21:20

Why is this happening? I don't think anyone

21:23

needs to be chatting with these, I

21:25

guess, bots. Clearly, they they are

21:27

handling it very well. All of my other

21:29

thoughts are about Kevin Roos and his

21:31

extremely disturbing encounter with

21:33

Sydney the bot, I guess. This

21:35

is crazy. The bot is pretty much in love

21:37

with him. The bot wants to I think

21:39

murder his wife. Like, that's the vibes I'm getting

21:41

from this. I don't know also.

21:44

Like, if a bot, like, read my marriage

21:46

for Phil, like, would I put that

21:48

in the New York Times for the world. Listen.

21:50

I might've I might've kept that to

21:52

myself. It

21:52

might've stopped. Absolutely.

21:55

Anyways, Treybelle, what are your thoughts

21:57

on this. I keep saying

22:00

that, like, all of this just feels

22:02

like a precursor to the

22:04

bots like we saw in

22:06

iRobot, you know, getting their own

22:08

minds --

22:08

Oh, yeah. -- the motherboard taking

22:10

over, you know, your Roomba

22:13

and your Siri,

22:15

And --

22:15

You're right. -- you're fired. Megan vibes.

22:18

Major Megan vibes. It's weird

22:20

and we might wanna slow down. Okay?

22:22

Because I don't know if I can fight

22:24

a robot. don't think I've trained for that.

22:27

I trained for the apocalypse, but this is

22:29

like post

22:30

apocalypse. You know? I don't I don't

22:32

know. Something's going on. It's wild.

22:34

I saw that Meghan fight sequence. I stand

22:36

no chance. Just

22:39

like that, we've checked our temps there.

22:41

A little scary. It sounds like,

22:43

you know, a little hesitant, a little fearful.

22:46

Terrified. Absolutely terrified. Nevertheless,

22:48

we persist. Okay?

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