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Hey, everyone. Welcome to. What are you watching?

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I'm Alex Sweatshirt. I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal.

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How are you doing there, Donny? You're out of your element, Donny.

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You're like a child

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who wanders into the theater

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in the middle of a movie,

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wants to know what's going on.

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Good job. Well, you got the whole. You got, like, the whole thing down.

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That was a 98. Oh, that's crazy.

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Wait. No movie No one saw.

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It's a movie no one saw. 1998.

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No one saw The Big Lebowski in 1998.

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That was one

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that had like staying power later.

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That's crazy because that is like a movie that is

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talked about ad nauseum in a good way.

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So maybe not on your list today

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if you did not know it was.

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And I know that was a joke.

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That was a joke.

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I was joking. It was a joke. But I was like,

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this is really not that suddenly.

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Eight. Okay, I'll track

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how do you feel to be here?

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I'm going to use the word that I think

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describes the year of movies for 1998.

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I'm having a lot of fun. I think it's very fun to be here today.

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Good. Oh, why we wanted to do this year's

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Because broadly,

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if you look at the Oscar winners, so like,

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which is how a lot of people measure

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a movie year, it's like, man,

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there's nothing to investigate here.

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But that's because the Oscars got it

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so fantastically wrong this year.

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We're going to get into all that. But yes, if you keep digging under

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not even that far under,

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but like if you go a little past

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the Oscar nominees.

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Certainly past the Oscar winners. Yeah, fine. So much fun. Shit.

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Yeah. And like,

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I saw so many of these in the theater

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or watch them on repeat on VHS.

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So much fun. Shit. I will be honest.

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I don't know how fun, how much fun

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will be reflected in my top ten.

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But you know, I mean it to me.

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What can I do? What can I say? Yeah, but it's not like we're just going

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to talk about our top tens of 1998

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and then stop the episode. We're going to keep going,

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talk about things we missed, things

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that should have called to list.

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But okay, so you're having fun. Great.

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So you've had a lot of fun researching

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this one, it sounds like, as have I.

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Well, I mean, yes, of course

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I've had fun researching it, but I think

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just a reflection of that year would fun

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would be the word that I would use.

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Like these are. Yeah, like top to bottom.

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Just the movies that were released.

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They're fun in a way that,

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I don't know, movies just aren't anymore

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in terms of like a year's

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worth of, of releases.

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I love this. I can't wait to hear

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what we're going to have.

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Okay. A little set up

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if you're new to the podcast

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or we haven't done like a year

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episode in a while.

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It's almost been a year since we did 1995,

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since we did 27

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oh 27 in October, day 2022.

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We do year one's for like,

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you know, top ten of 2022.

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Like when that. Yeah. Year's

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don't get to jump back here.

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The ones we've done 2719 9520 11 1973.

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Wow remember that one 1982 and we started with 1999.

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Man, we've done so many episodes.

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Oh, my God. Well, yeah, maybe this is episode four.

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It's like one. Oh, yeah, This is. This is episode 108, Top ten of 1998.

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One room where we're cruising

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and that doesn't even count

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the bonus episodes,

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the mini episodes also 1998.

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Here you go. 25 years ago.

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Oh, fuck you.

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That's why I did it. I want to know for that number

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it was either this

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or maybe 1993, which was 30 years ago.

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But why I went with 1998

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is because I have like one or two memories

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of seeing a movie in the theater in 93,

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whereas almost every movie

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I'm talking about today I saw in the

3:46

theater usually multiple times,

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because the rain's like everything was off. My parents took me to everything.

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They were like, okay, you know, it's fine.

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We'll take it with us. This is what the kid wants to do.

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So we'll take usually looking back,

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it was my dad who took me

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to the more prestige movies,

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and then my mom was just all the fun,

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entertaining stuff, all the thrillers,

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all the comedies, all the horror movies.

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I love it. So I've been a movie fan since I was born,

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so I was a huge movie fan in 1998,

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But it's just funny

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that I was still relying

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on my parents stuff to take me to the theater. And we went, I mean, now we're talking

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every weekend, like genuinely

4:24

every Saturday and or Sunday

4:24

that we were just seeing whatever was new.

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I think I have to agree

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because when, you know, looking

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at the list of movies that were out this

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year, I'm like, I've seen that theaters.

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I saw that in theaters,

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I saw them in theaters they like.

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It's really true, like similar

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to you where I was in the theaters

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all the time this year.

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All the time. Okay.

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I did not know that for you.

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So that that excites me. I didn't know that.

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That you were going a lot.

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98. That's awesome. I mean, when I look at I mean, it makes me

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it makes me think about, like just that

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period in my life that was probably like

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1987 was like that. 99.

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It's like that, like

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just going to the theaters all the time.

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But you remember the movies

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you actually see in theaters.

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You might not exactly

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remember the experience.

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I'm not sure there's something

5:14

like really meaningful that happened,

5:16

but you're like, Oh, no,

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I saw that in theaters. I remember that.

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And I'm looking at all this.

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Listen to him.

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I was at a lot of these. Yeah, same, same.

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And also 1998 is a very unique year

5:25

for cinema because I want to get to

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some of the narratives

5:32

that dominated in 1988.

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You had two monoculture moments

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in this year, four movies.

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One of those was Titanic.

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Yeah, kept playing it. I know that movie came out in 97,

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but it won a shitload of Oscars

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in February or March of 1998.

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That's when the Oscar ceremony was in.

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It just didn't leave theaters. So for so for the first half of 1998,

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Titanic becomes the first movie ever

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to cross the $1 billion

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mark at the box office.

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And that is because it did not leave.

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And everyone was talking about it.

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Everyone.

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Yeah, we've mentioned this before. We talked about this

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on the Avatar way, the Water podcast,

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but everyone was talking about Titanic.

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You had to see it. And then come July

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there was this world War two movie

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that everyone was talking about

6:21

and you had to go see Saving Private Ryan.

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You had to have an opinion about it.

6:28

You had to know just how crazy

6:28

these first 25 minutes were.

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And that came out in July. So for the entire year,

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there was two movies

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that at least everyone was talking about. I'm not saying it was the only thing

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people were talking about,

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but everyone was talking about this,

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similar to how,

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you know, Barbie and Oppenheimer.

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That was something we we have not had. Yeah, Honestly, decades

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that level of monoculture moment

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where it's not taking over

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just the cinema landscape, it's

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taking over the pop culture

6:55

landscape of everything.

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That was 98 for,

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you know, at least two movies.

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And there were other big movies along the way, two huge movies,

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but that was a big one, you know,

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So at least people were talking about movies and that probably drove

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everyone at the cinema a little more.

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Oh, yeah, I remember this.

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I remember the movies of this year.

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And there was always talk.

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Oh, there was always talk like, I'm

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sure some of these might be in our list,

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but I'm just going to mention, like, you couldn't really not hear

7:21

about The Truman Show.

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Like that was just a movie. Yeah, that was a

7:25

because that was a big one. Jim Carrey is going dramatic. Yeah.

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Yeah. Like he was in Liar, Liar last year.

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He was hysterical. Now he's going to go he's

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going to get nominated for an Oscar.

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Yeah, that was a huge deal. And there were actors

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that were a huge deal at the time.

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Matt Damon Oh yeah. Because of the movie

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that he was in this year.

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Like, there was just something different

7:44

about that time where

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when there was a movie and

7:48

it was a hot topic, it was a hot topic.

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If there was an actor that was putting

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forth some really good work.

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Edward Norton for another good example

7:56

this year, like, Yeah, that dude's name

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was on everyone's

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fucking tip of their everywhere.

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Yeah. And like, man,

8:03

it's kind of a bummer.

8:06

Like that. We don't really have this type of talk,

8:07

but like Barb Heimer was,

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that was the thing where we saw this

8:11

some TV in the internet.

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Now, you know. Oh, that's why that, that's why,

8:16

that's why.

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Why the hell does

8:20

everyone need to go to the movies

8:22

and talk about them when one you can

8:22

stream them all in your phone or two,

8:26

you can do something more important

8:26

to you, like scrolling through

8:30

a social media platform. This is what happened.

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I mean, it's just it's a large part of it.

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But that's what made Barb and Heimer so cool

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and why we focus on it on this podcast.

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That's what it was crazy for that summer.

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Yeah, but damn near two months we just crossed over the two month

8:44

mark of when Barb and Homer started in.

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It was a fun two months of a lot of people

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talking about.

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People are still talking about those movies. It's awesome.

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You're still going to see them fucking.

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One of them is

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number 11 a few nights ago.

9:00

Number 11 guy with David. Number one.

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Number 11 At what point is like, so dumb?

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Like for viewing number ten,

9:08

I took my father in law, Joe, who,

9:13

you know, who's 87, he's an older man,

9:13

but he's still full of life.

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Is he ever. It was a very fun experience.

9:20

Slept for about half of it on and off,

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you know,

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you know, 87,

9:22

you know, taking naps here and there.

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And when it was done, he liked it.

9:27

He said he understood a lot of it

9:27

because he was, quote, around then,

9:33

you know, old.

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And then he said he didn't realize

9:35

it was going to be 100%

9:39

dialog, which I told him,

9:39

you know, he's more of a mission

9:42

possible seven John Wick four type guy,

9:42

which I get.

9:45

We watch, we watch a lot of those

9:45

and we watch a lot of those.

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He's he's meant for our pod. He would be great to have on

9:50

it'd be truly great to have on this.

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All right. Back on track. Yes. Oppenheimer, Barb and Hammer.

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It was great. Another major narrative of 1998

9:57

started coming out that there's not one

10:02

but two movies about asteroids

10:05

destroying Earth

10:05

that are like about the part

10:09

Deep Impact versus Armageddon,

10:09

which everybody was talking about.

10:12

You had to go see both. I mean, if you were like a movie fan.

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Yeah, I certainly did. And I mean, these are

10:16

these are all my top ten list.

10:20

So it's kind of fun to have the debate now. Like my whole thing with these

10:22

is that Armageddon through and through

10:25

is a much more entertaining movie and much more

10:27

just like garbage and trash and fun.

10:30

Like, I love that movie. It's so much fun.

10:32

But that like, destruction scene

10:32

at the end of Deep Impact is

10:35

nuts still really, really holds up.

10:39

And I think that action scene

10:39

is better than almost

10:41

any action scene in Armageddon. But yeah, anyway, it was fun to whatever

10:46

for those two movies

10:46

we pitted against each other.

10:48

I saw both of those movies at

10:48

different times that drive in screenings.

10:52

Oh, drive in theaters. Mad God, what was last time

10:53

I went to a drive in theater?

10:57

It didn't even, like, play that well,

10:57

you know, like, sound isn't good,

11:00

but it's the experience. Yep.

11:03

I think I saw the first Shrek at a drive

11:03

now, like, for my first screening,

11:07

but that might have been The Last Drive-In

11:07

movie.

11:09

I saw it. But yeah,

11:09

I don't remember the deep impact one

11:12

because I didn't really

11:12

I didn't really vibe with that one.

11:17

I was much more of an Armageddon guy.

11:19

Hell yeah. But I remember watching Armageddon

11:23

in the in the drive in and crying

11:26

and just like, yes, just fucking like.

11:30

Like when I love you, I love you. And

11:34

it's emotional. It's interesting.

11:36

Actor Fichtner at the end. Better permission

11:38

to shake the head of The Bravest Man ever.

11:43

No, I mean, it's.

11:45

It's clunky, whatever I tried to say,

11:45

but he really Neilsen at the moment,

11:48

it's like it's good. It's good. Yeah. It has some moments, whatever.

11:51

Oh yeah. Stormare is like this spaced out

11:52

Russian like all American components,

11:57

Russian components all made

12:01

like, Oh my God, movie.

12:04

Another big event,

12:04

at least for me in 1988.

12:07

I don't know if you track this at all. It was the 20th anniversary of Grease,

12:08

the Motion Picture Grease

12:13

and I became obsessed with it

12:13

for the summer of 1998.

12:17

At least you did that for you at all.

12:19

I know. Musical.

12:20

My God. You know, not my thing now.

12:23

Yeah. Yeah. They've never really been my thing,

12:24

but they.

12:26

That one was that year. God, I loved it.

12:28

Well, it's because you're a Travolta guy.

12:31

Well, I like Pulp Fiction. I definitely already

12:32

like Pulp Fiction by then, but. Oh, Saturday Night Fever.

12:34

Come on, You're a Travolta guy.

12:37

I had not seen Saturday Night

12:37

Fever in 1998.

12:40

I thought that was that was probably

12:40

the first time I saw Grease in that.

12:43

I went back to Saturday night. Okay.

12:45

But yeah, I like

12:45

I loved him in Saturday Night Fever.

12:47

I wouldn't say I'm like, like he's an I like him, but I don't think

12:49

he's like one of my guys.

12:52

Blow. Blow out is good.

12:55

You don't like Travolta? I like Travolta.

12:57

Oh, I always thought he was more

12:57

more of like he was more of like

13:01

again in the Alex with pocket.

13:05

No, not really. I mean,

13:08

he had he had his moments. I don't know. I don't know.

13:12

What was he in in 1998. Oh he's in one mind it that that I

13:14

actually didn't think he was very good in.

13:20

Oh man I like that movie. A civil action.

13:23

Oh no, no, no civil action. Great.

13:25

Okay. No, he's he appears in one movie.

13:29

And I just remember

13:29

I go, Don't tell me everything, all right?

13:32

I don't know how I feel about this,

13:32

and I'll have to.

13:36

Oh, no, no, no, man. I like him. Oh, I do. Exactly.

13:39

I like that. He's like an army fucking asshole.

13:43

He is the highest ranked person

13:43

that you see in that movie,

13:46

the highest ranked character and the way he plays it,

13:48

like he's having his cigarets lit for him.

13:51

It's like, Oh, my God, I think he's

13:51

such a smarmy just guy right there in the.

13:56

Oh, yeah, he wasn't

13:58

that. Oh, I love that movie.

14:01

I love him. Yeah, he seems like kind of a little

14:02

bloated, honestly, which lends itself

14:05

to like everyone else here, like,

14:05

they're not eating, they're terrified.

14:09

And I don't know, I. The shitty mustache. Oh, God.

14:12

I can't believe it took you

14:12

that long to get to that.

14:14

Oh, wow. This is fun.

14:17

All right? No one knows what we're talking about

14:19

because we have.

14:22

I was actually just. I was just going to spoil it with a

14:23

narrative, but now I'm not going to.

14:26

It's about a a big director

14:26

returning to feature films

14:31

after a very long absence.

14:34

That's the movie you're referring to. But yeah, we can

14:35

we can keep that one of the pocket

14:37

two other verses before we get on to

14:37

our list.

14:40

One is ants. Remember Ants versus life.

14:43

I remember you talking with that. I did not see ants in the theater.

14:46

I had no interest because I've never really had an interest

14:48

in cartoons, in animated movies.

14:51

Bug's Life,

14:51

I did see and quite enjoyed it.

14:53

I did not see either

14:53

one of them in theaters,

14:56

and I actually don't think

14:56

I've ever seen ants.

14:59

But I have seen A Bug's Life.

14:59

I think I rented it.

15:01

I must have rented it from Blockbuster

15:01

Blockbuster Video.

15:05

What a great place. I believe the main voice in Ants is Woody

15:06

Allen.

15:10

In the Main voice

15:10

in A Bug's Life is Kevin Spacey.

15:13

So how that one age well, isn't

15:13

Jerry Seinfeld in in one of them?

15:17

Isn't he like the main one?

15:19

I don't like him either. So

15:21

that Seinfeld guy.

15:24

But we can talk about that. I don't know. I don't care.

15:28

But final verse is

15:28

this is the biggest verses

15:32

and this is the verses everyone

15:32

was talking about, but not really in 1998,

15:36

we were all talking about

15:36

in the first months of 1999,

15:38

and that was Saving

15:38

Private Ryan verses Shakespeare in Love.

15:43

Yeah, for the Oscar season.

15:45

We'll get to all that as we go. But wow, was that a conversation?

15:48

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Again, that bled over into 99,

15:50

but oh, my God, that was just

15:54

people don't talk about the Oscars like that again unless something goes wrong or awry,

15:56

which was certainly the case in 1998.

16:00

Certainly the case an envelope,

16:00

Kate, yada, yada, yada.

16:03

Let's get to the top ten. Who

16:06

do you think people know what

16:06

Travolta movie you were talking about?

16:09

No, I absolutely think they do not know.

16:11

I know that's hard to do. And, you know, we've confused

16:13

heavy fans of cinema,

16:16

but I wonder if people know

16:16

what movie we're talking about.

16:19

It's very interesting. We've confused 98% of our audience right

16:25

now, 100% guaranteed,

16:25

98% of time, hundred percent correct.

16:29

Confused? Guess who gets to go first?

16:32

Oh, of of course. Of course.

16:34

All right, here we go. Top ten of 1998.

16:38

We have not shared our list

16:38

with each other in

16:41

so far as like

16:41

we know each other very well.

16:44

I will say right now, my one and two will not surprise you

16:45

nor anyone listening to this.

16:50

That's okay. I'm going to say this upfront

16:52

and I'm going to mention it once

16:52

and then we're going to move on.

16:54

There are two films from my list.

16:57

When you typed them into Google.com

16:57

and go to Wikipedia or IMDB,

17:02

it says they were released in 1997.

17:05

Oh, nonsense. Bullshit. They were not.

17:08

They each premiered at one

17:08

fucking film festival in fall of 1997,

17:13

and then they struggled to get released

17:13

in theaters, whether in America or abroad.

17:18

In the year 1998. They both came out in the year 1998.

17:22

One of them was nominated for

17:22

and won Oscars for 1998 films.

17:26

Their 1998 movies Fight Them Fight.

17:29

So I'll Fight to the death.

17:32

I know what you did.

17:32

Do you have any idea when we do these?

17:35

The reason why we don't do these year

17:35

episodes is because my Twitter mentions

17:39

just blows up like,

17:39

that's not from that year, asshole.

17:43

That doesn't happen at all. But I'm just saying,

17:45

well, I've learned to just because

17:45

like some of these,

17:48

like when you,

17:48

when you send out the movies

17:50

and I'll look them up

17:50

and they say something different.

17:53

I have learned trust. Trust.

17:55

Yes. I'm like, you know what?

17:57

Everything

17:57

I'm seeing says something different.

17:59

There you go. Next your if it says 97, it's like

18:01

and we're doing 98.

18:05

Just trust me. I put it on the outline for a reason.

18:09

But that's, you know, that's it. We're going to get into him.

18:11

But, you know, I wanted to say those general notes

18:12

about my list before we get into it.

18:16

I don't know if you have anything or

18:16

if you just want to jump on in there, Hoss

18:20

Well, I'll preface it by saying what

18:20

I always say at the beginning of our top

18:23

ten lists that in no way

18:27

are we saying with either

18:27

one of these lists that,

18:30

yes, that we believe

18:30

that these are the best movies made?

18:34

No, no, no. We never talk like that. We always bring it

18:37

from more of a personal point of view of

18:37

this is just what I liked.

18:42

And that will then for

18:42

make you think what you like.

18:46

Yeah, no,

18:46

this is a great thing to mention.

18:48

Like we we've recently released

18:48

the funniest movies

18:51

you ever seen and some of our friends, quote unquote friends

18:53

quotation mark friends were putting us

18:56

on blast on Instagram saying, you didn't

18:56

include this, you didn't include this.

19:00

And I'm like, Why don't you go make

19:00

a fucking podcast list?

19:03

Yeah,

19:05

you could do your own. No, I don't.

19:07

You and I don't talk

19:07

like this in real life.

19:10

Like we don't talk like. No, my top ten.

19:13

These are the ten best films ever made.

19:15

I can't even say that with a straight face

19:15

like Eddie Wood, who talks like that, I,

19:19

I guess, like, get fucked or.

19:19

I don't know.

19:21

I guess that's not it. That's not us.

19:24

Anyone who talks like that, it's

19:24

just we don't really identify with that.

19:27

These are our favorite movies of the year. That's a Yeah, yeah.

19:30

And we would love to know yours as well.

19:33

AIW Underscore podcast is very sexy

19:37

and the the and I also have to say that

19:37

like as I usually am

19:41

with all of our lists,

19:41

I am very upset that ten can only be

19:45

the number that we go with because yeah,

19:48

there's a few asterisks that I have

19:49

that are really bothersome

19:52

that they're not in here,

19:52

but you can only have ten.

19:56

Let's do it. Let's do it, baby. I will say when I made my list,

19:58

I looked at it and I went, I love this.

20:03

This group of films

20:03

like I have watched all these

20:05

not because of the podcast

20:05

just in the past probably three years.

20:09

I've put all of these movies on

20:09

just to put them on.

20:12

There really is a rewatch ability

20:12

of how many times

20:15

I've seen these movies, particularly.

20:18

Yeah, it's crazy. All right, do it. Number ten,

20:19

getting into it.

20:21

This is actually one

20:21

that's a completely the opposite of that.

20:24

I've only seen this movie once and quite

20:24

honestly, I don't know, the next time

20:28

I'm going to want to see it again,

20:28

but I liked it that much.

20:32

But it's a debut film from a filmmaker

20:36

and there were a lot of debut film flops.

20:39

So this is just my first one here.

20:42

But I am going with your boy.

20:44

Gaspar No way. I stand over at number ten.

20:50

Yes, yes.

20:52

Do you have 30 seconds

20:52

to turn off this podcast?

20:55

Oh, yes. I said, Hello, welcome to

20:56

What are you watching?

20:59

Yes, Any of you

20:59

who have listened to our Gaspar Noé

21:03

podcast, we've said there's so many things

21:03

about this movie on that episode,

21:08

but there is just nothing

21:08

like when you watch this movie

21:12

there, I've got

21:12

I can't believe what I was watching

21:16

and what I was hearing

21:16

and what was happening and the like.

21:20

It's just it's wild stuff.

21:23

It deserves to be on this list.

21:26

I love that you put it here. This okay, where where to even begin?

21:30

Episode 59 is our Fool Gas

21:30

Far and away pod.

21:34

But then Episode 60 is

21:34

when we reviewed Lux Eterna

21:37

and your favorite film of the past

21:37

decade, Vortex.

21:41

Oh, so cut me with that. Why don't you

21:46

cut it down, baby? Nick love that movie.

21:49

Yes. I mean, I

21:49

you know, the first time you saw this,

21:53

I was right there

21:53

with you in that hotel room

21:55

because it was right before we recorded

21:55

the Gas Fart Away podcast

21:58

that you still had to watch it

21:58

in a hell of a film.

22:01

And and to your first point,

22:01

I actually only have one debut

22:05

in my top ten, which is interesting.

22:08

But as soon as we're done

22:08

with the top ten,

22:11

I was going to go through the list

22:11

of all the films.

22:14

The reason why I want to save it

22:14

is because I don't mention

22:17

perhaps any more on your list. But there are

22:19

I mean, there are a lot of really,

22:23

really notable directors

22:23

who had their first movie this year.

22:26

And yeah, gas far and Away. I stand alone. Like if he's not shying away from

22:31

what kind of filmmaker

22:31

he is, what his sentiment is.

22:34

So you know, right away

22:34

I mean, 25 minutes into this movie

22:38

is just one of the most disturbingly

22:38

violent scenes I've ever seen in a movie.

22:43

And you're like, okay, here

22:43

we go, here we go.

22:45

But it's all intentional. As we said in our episode,

22:46

I love that you put it here and

22:50

and I believe

22:50

we've said this on the gas episode,

22:53

but I will say this now again,

22:53

and it's a very hard film to find.

22:57

Yes. Unfortunately,

22:57

if you do watch it, you will benefit

23:01

from putting the subtitles on

23:01

because the language is so thick.

23:08

Well, it's in French. Oh, wait, it's in French.

23:11

Yeah. Home Depot.

23:13

That's where you had to watch this about. For some reason,

23:15

I thought it was in English news.

23:17

Really hard to understand it.

23:19

I mean, there's so many movies. I'm not. I'm not even, like, ragging on you

23:22

because there are so many movies where that's true. I'm trying to think of what you're

23:24

trying to think of.

23:26

I've tried to talk about this

23:26

on on the podcast before.

23:29

It might have even been. Was it

23:30

one of his movies to be Enter the Void or.

23:33

I don't know. No. Yeah, I don't know what it could have

23:34

been, but no, no, I was Simba, as I was saying.

23:37

Wait a second. No. And because you didn't catch yourself.

23:40

Yeah. Yeah. The language in it is so dense,

23:41

I would say that has the most

23:45

just dialog of any gas bar in a way movie.

23:48

And it's mostly voiceover,

23:48

But yeah, they are.

23:51

They're talking a lot. There's a lot of dialog and vortex

23:52

I guess. But anyway, Vortex. Vortex.

23:55

Oh yes, because I had of a

23:59

great pic. I stand alone. I am not going that serious.

24:04

My number ten pic. When we do lists like this

24:05

I often, especially for the year ones

24:09

like to be a little silly

24:09

with my number ten.

24:12

I'm already cheating. This is a twofer.

24:14

These are because like if you put them,

24:14

if you put them together,

24:18

they like kind of equal one movie

24:18

because they're both very silly.

24:21

They've brought me

24:21

endless entertainment value.

24:25

We're going to start with Wild Things,

24:25

directed by John McNaughton.

24:29

I love Wild Things.

24:31

I'm looking at my 4K

24:31

that I purchased from Arrow.

24:35

Looks gorgeous. This is a all right.

24:39

I don't love it for the reasons

24:39

that people may think though it

24:42

you know, I watched the movie a lot

24:42

when it came out.

24:45

It's not just for like those reasons. I think this thing is like

24:47

I watched this movie.

24:49

I'm not kidding you with my mom often.

24:52

Well, now she she had a system.

24:54

She had a system to where she had

24:54

kind of memorized the parts

24:58

and she would get skipped or fast forward

24:58

and I would have to look down

25:02

and those would get fast forwarded. But this is like her type of movie.

25:05

All the twists and turns, all what

25:05

whatever the hell Bill Murray's doing.

25:10

Matt Dillon, Like Kevin Bacon

25:10

just naked at one point for no reason.

25:14

It's like she didn't

25:14

I didn't have to look away for that.

25:16

I mean, you know what? Hanging dogs, raising and just hanging

25:17

the bacon is loose

25:21

and Yeah, so, I mean, that's

25:21

why it's like my mom show me this movie.

25:25

And again, certain parts were censored.

25:28

She did not take me to see this

25:28

in the theater once.

25:30

She did take me to this one,

25:30

she did take me to see in the theater

25:33

that we went multiple times

25:33

because it did not have any sexuality.

25:37

Is the faculty directed

25:37

by Robert Rodriguez, which I have seen

25:41

so many times, But those are my tied

25:41

for number ten as my fun sparks.

25:46

What do you mean, like this?

25:48

These two

25:48

have nothing to do with each other.

25:50

These are my, like,

25:50

kind of ridiculous move.

25:54

Everything else from here

25:54

is pretty serious.

25:58

Serious ish. These are, like,

25:59

my throwaway fun B movies.

26:01

This is my B-movie double feature for 1990

26:01

as at the ten Spot.

26:05

You got two movies at ten. Why not? It's.

26:07

It's my fucking list.

26:09

If you can justify it,

26:09

you can put anything on the list.

26:12

This isn't Schindler's List.

26:14

Jesus Christ. There's no rules.

26:16

We're not like,

26:16

My God, you can do whatever you want.

26:20

I'll just put out this. I'll just make two movies for all the rest

26:21

of my life so I can get all my shit in.

26:24

Here you go, asshole. You can have one double feature there.

26:28

I just made a new rule. You can have one double feature

26:29

in one of your pics, dickhead.

26:32

Yeah, I'm. I'm really glad you did this

26:32

because I have one now.

26:36

See how it saves me.

26:38

That's the only reason why I'm doing it. You're right. The movies don't inherently

26:40

have anything in common, but they are my.

26:44

This is my B movie double feature of 1998.

26:47

There. These are my two favorite

26:47

B movies of the year.

26:50

I didn't know you were going to make me fucking justify

26:51

it like a defense lawyer or something.

26:54

You know, it was in Wild things

26:54

in the courtroom and wild things.

26:57

Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She throws that glass.

27:01

Denise Richards throws that glass.

27:03

Campbell never is great. Never just breaking out of that party

27:05

of five character out of Sidney Prescott.

27:09

Oh, God, I love her. Don't touch me.

27:12

Great ending. Great ending to Wild things.

27:14

Got to stay through the credits.

27:14

God, I love wild things.

27:18

Yeah. Number nine for you. Oh, man. Well,

27:20

I just want to give a little bit. I love that faculty

27:22

because we kind of just shot right over.

27:24

Can love the faculty. I literally watched the faculty

27:25

before I settled on 1998,

27:30

and that may have been the tipping point

27:30

because I knew I was going to mention it.

27:33

I just really liked this movie. I think it's a great high school movie.

27:36

I love It is faculty, man. Yeah, it it's almost like grown up now.

27:40

It's crazy. Yeah. Great cast. Like great cast.

27:42

Robert Patrick is. Yes, Good.

27:45

The faculty is so good.

27:47

I love it. Like at one point,

27:48

Josh Hartnett there in high school.

27:51

Why do you just smoking a cigaret

27:51

on the football field?

27:54

Like during practice it's like, what?

27:56

What fucking high school is this?

27:56

Oh, it's great.

27:58

Open drug deals. No problem. No problem,

27:58

no pain.

28:01

I love it. I always remember Josh Hartnett's hair

28:01

because it sticks out.

28:06

Yeah, like he just had like the sides

28:06

that would just stick out and that was it.

28:11

Jack. You know,

28:14

the the freeze frame title cards

28:14

for the characters.

28:18

Like, I love that movie. I really do.

28:20

I that was like,

28:20

I really loved early Robert Rodriguez,

28:23

Desperado from the faculty.

28:26

The dude could not miss. And then, you know, he wanted to start

28:27

making Spy Kids movies, which is cool.

28:31

I bet he makes a shitload of money.

28:31

So do your thing, man.

28:34

Do you think? Yeah. I'm a huge Robert Rodriguez fan,

28:34

so I am his attitude.

28:39

Yeah. Yeah. He just approaches things from, like,

28:40

a really,

28:43

really artful,

28:43

even with the spy kids like that.

28:46

He said That's for his kids.

28:46

For sure. For sure. Yeah.

28:49

But that's its own thing, too.

28:51

Good. Call the faculty. I'm glad we talked about

28:53

this will be cool because we're going to talk about a lot of movies

28:55

that like may not be on my list,

28:57

but I would want to, like,

28:57

shout out to them.

28:59

Yeah,

28:59

so the faculty is absolutely one of them.

29:02

Fuck yeah. All right, Number nine for you.

29:04

I remember the first time

29:04

I saw this movie, it wasn't too long ago,

29:08

and I just thought

29:08

it was the epitome of cool.

29:11

And that is Steven

29:11

Soderbergh's Out of Sight.

29:15

So cool. Yes, I love it.

29:18

I love it. This is on my list.

29:20

I am going to save the placement

29:20

of it. But yeah, this

29:24

is Soderbergh made a movie like it's

29:24

probably going to make my top ten list.

29:27

Have you made a movie in 1999? The line would be on it 2000.

29:30

I think my favorite movie is Traffic. Like,

29:32

you know, it's it's going to be there. So.

29:34

So you hit wait a minute. So you had never seen this.

29:36

You just saw it for the first time

29:38

recently,

29:38

like within the last like five years.

29:42

Oh, okay. And somewhere in there I remember

29:43

always seeing it at Blockbuster.

29:47

Yep. Always like,

29:47

you know, being like, ooh,

29:51

I heard good things about this,

29:51

or I don't know why,

29:55

but I just never pulled the trigger

29:55

and rented or did anything with it.

29:59

And it would just escape me

29:59

for the longest time.

30:01

And then we may have been having a Soderbergh conversation,

30:02

and that's how it happened.

30:04

I can't remember how,

30:04

but I remember when it was.

30:07

I just remember thinking I was like,

30:07

Oh, wow, this is

30:11

this is a really fucking good movie.

30:15

Oh, so cool.

30:15

It's like the epitome of cool.

30:17

Not just the performance. It's not just Clooney or Jennifer Lopez,

30:18

and by far her best screen performance.

30:23

Like, she's so good in it. They're cool.

30:25

But like, the editing of this movie is,

30:25

Oh, cool.

30:29

Like, it's not in narrative order. And this was one of the first movies

30:30

where I'm like

30:33

with the in the Pulp Fiction Hangover,

30:33

where I'm like, okay,

30:37

you're actually doing it in a smart way because like so many movies out there,

30:39

Pulp Fiction, where

30:41

we're going to be out of order

30:41

just for the sake of doing.

30:43

Yeah, but I got what out of Sight

30:43

was doing it, and it develops its own

30:47

editing language, its own style, and

30:47

you have to like kind of keep up with it.

30:51

You're like, Okay, I get it,

30:51

I get it, and it looks cool.

30:54

Like it's shot really well. And then like, Don

30:55

Cheadle is just like Mr.

30:57

Cool in it. I mean, it's terrifying,

30:58

but God, I'm so glad this made your list.

31:01

I didn't. Yeah. So I've loved this one.

31:03

This is actually one

31:03

I did not see in the theater.

31:05

As soon as it was in Blockbuster, it was like a repeat

31:07

watch over and over and over.

31:10

I think this had the reputation

31:10

that it was going to be very sexy.

31:15

It's incredibly sexy. Yeah, I think sexy and the lewd way.

31:19

And I think it was cut. I remember that in the summer of 98.

31:22

Like, that's why about why my mom didn't

31:22

want to take me to go see it

31:26

because I think she thought

31:26

it was just going to be like a romp.

31:28

And this was, you know, back in the day

31:28

when a movie was just R wasn't like rated

31:32

R for violence. Sexual, gritty blow

31:33

where you have more of an indication.

31:36

And then when it came out, it's like, Damn, I wish I could have seen this

31:38

in the theater, but I've gone and seen this in the theater

31:39

a few times.

31:42

Just because I know

31:42

it's going to be playing like I love it

31:44

based on an Elmore Leonard novel,

31:44

I've read the novel so good.

31:47

This saves Steven Soderbergh's career. Yeah, Hit it really big.

31:51

With his first movie, Sex, Lies and Videotape, nominated

31:52

for an Oscar, won the Cannes Palme d'Or.

31:56

And then he makes a lot of movies

31:56

that people still don't talk about.

32:00

Kafka, King of the Hill,

32:00

The Underneath Circuit Topless,

32:03

which you and I both love. And someone took a gamble on him and

32:04

gave him out of sight, offered it to him.

32:10

He got he got it. And then after that, it just takes off.

32:13

He wins an Oscar. Two years later, he's

32:14

one of the very few directors nominated

32:17

for best director twice in the same year

32:17

in 2000 for Traffic and Erin Brockovich.

32:23

That's nuts. And he wins for traffic. So and now he's Steven Soderbergh.

32:25

You know, and I.

32:28

I wonder what George Clooney

32:28

would have done if this wasn't him.

32:33

I always missed that point

32:33

because I focus on Soderbergh.

32:35

This is so important to talk about.

32:35

Yeah, Yeah.

32:38

Because this is the movie

32:38

that finally broke him out.

32:40

Yeah. Made him a movie star. Absolutely. Absolutely.

32:43

Because he had a Rocky like.

32:46

I mean, he was the huge star of E.R.,

32:46

which was like the biggest show

32:50

in the nineties. In the midnight.

32:50

Yeah, like if.

32:53

Yeah, like for hour. I honestly don't know, like,

32:54

the demographics of the people

32:57

listen to the pod. But if you are young to have missed out on

32:57

George Clooney on TV like you talk about

33:02

fucking monoculture

33:02

everyone on Friday talked about George

33:06

Clooney's what he did on the episode

33:06

the night before because E.R.

33:09

was on Thursday. Everyone did like I watched that show.

33:12

It was again,

33:12

there's what, four or five channels?

33:15

Like, there's just not a lot going on. So he was a star.

33:19

And when you were a TV star back then,

33:19

you were not in movies and vice versa.

33:22

No, you just weren't. Now

33:22

there's no difference.

33:24

But back then there was a huge difference

33:24

and it was very difficult for them

33:28

and for them to break out, to become

33:28

for a TV star, to become a movie star.

33:33

Yeah. And he particularly had a tough time

33:33

because he did movies,

33:38

even though like,

33:38

I think one Fine day is great.

33:41

I actually like him in a way

33:41

that is a romantic comedy.

33:43

I think it's great. But I mean, like

33:44

he had a bunch of tries in

33:47

these to break out into movies

33:47

that didn't take I mean,

33:51

and so this is the one where this was

33:55

George Clooney cool, dramatic

33:59

like that, that one of a kind thing

33:59

that only he can do.

34:03

And he hadn't been able to show that.

34:05

And that was the movie star quality

34:05

that he always had

34:09

just didn't

34:09

find the material to match with.

34:12

So, yeah, I wonder where Clooney would be

34:12

if it wasn't for this movie.

34:17

Well, yeah,

34:17

they really helped each other out

34:20

a symbiotic relationship

34:20

because it's all, you know.

34:23

Soderbergh wins the Oscar. He has a great year, 2000,

34:24

and then they're making Ocean's

34:27

11 together in 2001. And that's like, Here we are, baby.

34:31

Then because of that, Clooney kind of overnight becomes

34:32

the biggest movie star in the world.

34:36

And then it's like, okay, now we're off. But yeah, yeah, it was out of sight.

34:39

That really started it for both of them.

34:41

And it was the first really

34:41

serious acting.

34:44

No, that's not true. She was in on Celine. Oh, yeah. See, I do.

34:47

I got to go back. I misspoke

34:48

when I said this was her best performance.

34:51

Jennifer was getting this performance.

34:51

It's Selena.

34:54

It really is. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

34:56

This is her coolest, for sure,

34:56

but she's fantastic in Selena.

35:00

That's. I mean, that's a really good

35:00

biopic performance.

35:03

Yeah, Yeah, that's true. But I do love her in Out of Sight.

35:06

And Michael Keaton has a cameo in Out of Sight playing his Ray

35:08

Nicolette is Jackie Brown character.

35:12

It's like, again, perfect. I love it.

35:14

I love it. Steve Zahn is free now.

35:16

Steve Zahn. Steve Zahn, who like actually is,

35:19

of course, very funny in it,

35:19

but then gets like really appropriately

35:22

freaked out a few times

35:22

and it's like genuinely scared

35:25

and repulsed by the Don

35:25

Cheadle character who's, you know, good,

35:29

good actor, I mean, favorite

35:29

Steve Zahn performance go.

35:33

I mean,

35:35

oh, my

35:35

God, I love him in that thing you do.

35:38

I actually I laugh my ass off to him

35:38

and Joy ride.

35:41

He is so fucking funny.

35:41

And that movie to me.

35:44

Have you seen that movie with Paul? Yeah.

35:46

There's a part when they go get gas

35:46

and like, they go in and pay for it

35:51

with a credit card, and then this truck

35:51

driver, this, like icy driver ice,

35:54

you know, literally like he's delivering

35:54

ice to the gas station or something.

35:58

He starts chasing after them

35:58

and they think like it's

36:00

the guy who's chasing them and he going

36:00

start starts, approach the car.

36:04

And Steve Zahn just holds up a fake gun,

36:04

like with his fingers.

36:07

And he goes, We got to fucking got it. Imagine it's

36:11

you holding your finger up.

36:14

And I don't know. Yeah. So I but I think he's great.

36:17

That thing you do, like a guy in a

36:17

really nice campus is going to take us to.

36:22

Oh, God, I love him. Captain Goetz in the Shrimp

36:24

Shack shooters.

36:26

What about you, Steve Zahn? I mean, bad acting is Rescue Dawn,

36:28

but that's the funniest.

36:31

Yeah. Yeah, but if I had to go with Steve, it's

36:32

got to be saving Silverman.

36:36

I mean, he's got he just kills it

36:38

in that movie.

36:43

I've seen that movie forever, so.

36:46

Oh, man, I know. It's so funny.

36:48

My number nine. I know this is a favorite of yours.

36:51

It really doesn't need in introduction,

36:51

one of the most rewatchable movies

36:54

of the year. Rounders. Oh, directed by John Dall. God,

36:56

do I love this.

36:59

You almost didn't make my list. Probably wouldn't have made my list

37:01

if I didn't do my little double feature sneak.

37:04

But then I was like, At some point,

37:04

you got to you got to look at the list

37:09

overall and go, okay, I do have a lot of

37:09

like serious stuff on here

37:13

and I need to kind of get in touch

37:13

with like,

37:16

remember how many times

37:16

you and your friends fucking watch this

37:19

movie and 1998, 1999

37:19

and 2000, just over and over

37:24

and over and memorizing the whole thing

37:24

and having your favorite line readings.

37:28

Like I not only did

37:28

I fall in love with this movie,

37:31

I fell in love with the director

37:31

and watched all those previous work.

37:35

I loved all the actors like,

37:35

yeah, this was a huge announcement.

37:38

Like Damon and Norton are definitely on

37:38

the come up.

37:41

Malkovich is doing like whatever

37:41

the fuck he's doing.

37:44

But then, like even Michael Rispoli,

37:44

who plays

37:49

Gamma, like I, I never seen him before

37:49

and he's so good and he's been in so much.

37:53

So yeah, you know,

37:53

I mean, the whole thing is great.

37:55

I love this movie. I love it now.

37:57

I love it so much

37:57

that it's in my top five.

37:59

Awesome. Yeah, it's number five,

38:00

but it's all right.

38:04

So let's talk about it now. Yeah, I top five.

38:07

I just remembered. I remember seeing this movie

38:09

and just thinking.

38:12

It's just so cool. I know there's a word

38:13

we just used for Out of Sight, but

38:16

there was just this element

38:16

to, like, the flow of it,

38:20

and you really get

38:20

caught up in the stakes.

38:24

Like. Like you really feel. Matt Damon in the beginning of the movie,

38:26

he's got this conflict.

38:30

He's not going to gamble.

38:30

He's not going to play cards.

38:32

He's made these promises. Yeah. And then it all goes to shit.

38:36

And it's really something when you feel

38:36

the gravity of the other movies plot,

38:42

when it's sort of like,

38:42

Oh man, how much are you in the hole?

38:45

Oh, how the fuck are we going

38:45

to get out of this all?

38:48

You really just fucked this, didn't. Yeah.

38:50

And the movie keeps topping itself

38:50

as it's going with a very fun pace

38:55

that is not sacrificed by the substance.

38:59

And by the time you get to that end game,

38:59

which is got to be one of,

39:04

if not the best poker scenes in movies,

39:04

I don't know.

39:08

I really have to think about

39:08

Maverick is really good, but

39:13

I know just the Rounders stuff

39:13

is a bit more realistic.

39:17

Like you go watch Casino Royale,

39:17

they're like, Deal and fucking Yeah, royal

39:21

flushes and stuff. It's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's

39:22

a fun James Bond movie, but come on, like

39:25

you just have Damon, like,

39:25

slapped a nut straight and boom,

39:28

just laying the hammer down. You're like, God.

39:30

And what's so cool about rounders

39:30

is the world building.

39:34

Like, it doesn't take long to believe that

39:34

like, all right this to tightened cash.

39:38

So, like, maybe that's an issue,

39:38

but then he just goes down

39:41

like these seedy layers of New York.

39:43

Yeah. Doors and what's going on in this room.

39:46

And you got to go pay this guy off. But there's like, also prostitutes

39:48

and like, old dogs and like, what?

39:52

What? Like, where am I? What's going on? There's crazy Russians.

39:54

Like, Yeah,

39:54

you really see all the other brick?

39:57

There's no windows, so everyone's smoking. Like, it's just. Yeah.

40:00

You believe all that

40:00

in that build up to that final scene?

40:03

It's just great. That final poker game.

40:03

Yeah, I guess it would be my favorite.

40:06

I've never really put

40:06

a lot of thought into, but I.

40:09

Yeah, if someone were to ask me

40:09

if this was like your Steve's on prompt

40:13

from a little bit ago. Yeah. Best poker scene

40:14

I'd go into rounders. Yeah.

40:16

The beginning is also good too. And he gets crushed like, whoa.

40:19

Well, the beginning is

40:19

it might also be the greatest setup

40:23

because, you know, you have to explain

40:23

to your audience that, you know, this

40:27

whole entire like,

40:27

movie is based off of this game

40:31

and we have to get the audience to,

40:31

at the bare

40:34

minimum, understand how it works.

40:37

And they do it really fast and you get it

40:37

very fast.

40:42

Yeah, you do. You understand? Yup.

40:44

And so by the time you get to the end,

40:44

you might not know everything,

40:49

but you know enough to understand

40:49

what's happening in that scene.

40:53

It's like the 15 minutes. It's a long.

40:55

Oh yeah. And yeah, and, and you get everything

40:55

that's going on and and then you get John

41:01

Malkovich, who's just like, you know, it's

41:04

such a great, great performance by him.

41:08

Oh, God. And then yes, it is. I agree.

41:10

And then I'm talking about world

41:10

building within the movie.

41:13

But like the layman watching this movie

41:13

for the first time in 1998,

41:17

did not know what Texas Hold'em was. So, yeah, that's true.

41:21

Go go back and imagine that.

41:23

And then by the year 2000,

41:23

I think I remember the guy's name.

41:26

His name is like Chris Moneymaker. Or was the guy who won the World

41:27

Series of Poker.

41:30

It was like on ESPN. It was everywhere.

41:32

Yeah, but this movie was very

41:32

largely responsible for the insane

41:37

uptick in how much

41:37

how many people wanted to play Texas

41:41

Hold'em, how many people wanted to watch it. It's crazy.

41:44

Crazy. Yeah. Took over because they really saw

41:45

this movie in the theater.

41:48

Yeah, it wasn't it didn't make

41:48

that much money from the theater.

41:50

But this was one that,

41:50

you know, when Damon was on Hot Wings,

41:54

he specifically address this

41:54

about how movies like Rounders, movies

41:58

like Fight Club, movies

41:58

that did not do well in the theaters,

42:01

but then became successful

42:01

because of VHS and DVD sales.

42:05

I was not in college when Rounders

42:05

came out, but I know people who were,

42:09

and it was on on repeat in dorms,

42:09

in their college departments all the time.

42:13

Yeah. Yeah. It was a very talked about movie

42:14

in like the had

42:18

like the blockbuster side of things. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

42:21

Yeah. Perfect. Well that was my number nine.

42:24

So we are all in your number eight,

42:24

which is a perfect segue way

42:28

into talking about one of the actors

42:28

in Rounders

42:32

going into Edward Norton,

42:32

American History X.

42:36

Wow. So wow. Yeah. Good call.

42:39

One that did not make my list

42:39

really surprise.

42:42

Well, this is what I wonder. This movie's fucking intense, man.

42:46

When I saw this movie, I think

42:50

I definitely didn't see it in theaters,

42:50

but I saw it in video.

42:53

No, no, no, no. I don't know anyone who saw in theaters.

42:56

Actually,

42:56

it was very small, limited release.

42:59

Like where if you grew up in a rural area

42:59

like I did, this was not a big theater

43:03

movie, but again, came out on DVD and VHS

43:03

and everyone was talking about this.

43:08

Everyone was talking about it. And I believe there's no way

43:10

that this wasn't at the time

43:14

that I saw it the most intense movie

43:14

I ever seen in my life.

43:17

Yeah. And I even remember at that age, like,

43:18

you know, how old were we?

43:23

Like 1998. I was born 18, 12.

43:25

Well, well, 12, 13. Yeah, somewhere around there.

43:28

So, you know, you know, racism, you know,

43:31

really grasping that there is an element

43:35

of the modern world at that time

43:35

and still fucking today that Yeah.

43:40

But this is very, very real and,

43:43

and seeing like that movie

43:43

really makes you feel the hatred

43:49

of that lifestyle.

43:51

He, he

43:51

makes you believe from the first moment

43:54

he is on screen that this fucking guy

43:54

believes in this shit.

43:58

And he is. Yes. Not, not, not only willing to die for it,

44:02

he is willing to fucking murder

44:02

for this belief. Yes.

44:05

And it's like,

44:05

okay, we're not questioning that at all.

44:08

That stuff is so disgusting

44:08

and hard to watch, but what I love

44:12

is that it all traces back

44:12

and you get to see the scene with the dad

44:16

and you see the scenes of it

44:16

starting, which is, yeah,

44:19

that's probably

44:19

one of the calmest moments in the movie.

44:22

But it's so emotional, violent.

44:24

It's so hard to watch when you just see

44:24

the language he's using the dad, I mean.

44:30

Yeah, like, and Weird has long hair.

44:32

He's playing football. Everything's fine.

44:34

It just bringing it all down to this

44:34

for no reason.

44:38

For no, for no reason and not.

44:40

Oh, man. And also the the turn around

44:44

that Brennan's character goes through

44:47

is very like he earns it.

44:50

Like by the time

44:50

that he changes his mind about things,

44:56

it actually feels like

44:56

a very organic, real transition

45:00

that this human being

45:00

has made in their life,

45:02

which is a real credit to the movie

45:02

for being able

45:07

to do that without being preachy

45:07

or without being yeah.

45:11

To on the nose with a message to say

45:14

now all

45:14

of this being said and I'm talking like

45:17

I have not seen this movie

45:17

in about at least 20 years.

45:22

Oh wow. See, mine was not that long ago.

45:26

I was definitely in COVID just for

45:26

I was like, It's been a while.

45:29

And it I mean, it it held up. It's still as intense.

45:33

It's that's that's what I wonder.

45:33

I wonder, like, because I like.

45:36

I don't know. Yeah, it's up anymore. Oh,

45:36

it definitely does. Yeah.

45:38

I would be interested

45:38

to see what you thought about it

45:40

if you checked it out again. But it also does speak well to the film

45:41

that you haven't seen in that long

45:45

and it's still making your list. Well, I.

45:47

I studied this movie a lot. I think this was one of the movies

45:49

when this might have been

45:53

one of those movies where I was like,

45:53

Oh, this is like a beyond like,

45:57

this isn't just a fun,

45:57

entertaining thing to do.

46:00

This is like a serious put together

46:00

piece of work that means something.

46:06

I think this must have been

46:06

the very first film that really did

46:08

that to me where I was like,

46:08

This is important stuff in here.

46:11

And it should be like, noticed.

46:14

I would watch this movie

46:14

a lot as a kid, weirdly.

46:16

Yeah. So no, so did I. So did I.

46:18

I don't know. We like. Yeah, we definitely did.

46:21

We had it on a lot.

46:21

My friends and I. Yeah.

46:23

Like having it all

46:23

in, like paying attention.

46:26

Paying attention really disturbed.

46:26

And like, what?

46:28

The movie's intention hit us all.

46:31

We were all like, Wow, okay, fuck.

46:33

Yeah. As intense as anything you done made your life

46:35

better, like, that really resonates.

46:38

It's a really,

46:38

really smart line of dialog.

46:40

Yeah, I would actually really like to rewatch again. Edward Furlong two.

46:43

Really good, Really good. Very good.

46:46

Very good. Also debut film Tony Kaye.

46:48

It was on my debut film list

46:48

also that counts them.

46:52

And my next one is debut film. We've actually talked about it

46:54

quite recently.

46:57

Following oh, directed by Christopher

46:57

Nolan, talked about it

47:01

a lot in episode 101, our Nolan podcast,

47:05

Our longest podcast,

47:05

Our longest podcast to date. Yep.

47:08

Which is crazy, right? I mean, I didn't know it was going to

47:09

turn out that way, but that was a fun one.

47:12

Fun one to listen

47:12

to, fun one to edit, following.

47:15

I mean, we just talked about it. I've been talking about Nolan a lot this

47:16

summer and for the last couple episodes.

47:20

But yes, I did want to have a debut film

47:20

and of all of them, I went,

47:24

I really like this one

47:24

because this is one where I go back now.

47:28

I now this one I found out much later,

47:28

like I was not watching this in 1998.

47:32

Very few people were. I found out about this because of Memento.

47:36

And then after, when I got a hold of it,

47:38

I was like rewatching it

47:38

a lot to try to put it all together.

47:41

And it was it was fun.

47:41

It was a fun experiment in that way.

47:44

And if you became obsessed with Memento

47:44

like I did and saw it so many times, then

47:49

knowing that he had like this 70 minute

47:49

feature that he made

47:52

just a few years before,

47:52

that was also very like puzzling.

47:56

It's a lot of fun to investigate. So yeah following love it I

47:57

yeah, this is one that really bothers me.

48:01

That's not on my list. I get it. And it might just be because I've seen it

48:02

for the very first time recently

48:06

and I hadn't had that much time

48:06

to spend with it.

48:09

But this would be an asterisk movie

48:12

because I liked it

48:12

that much and I really liked this movie.

48:15

I couldn't stop thinking about it. Yeah, that's cool.

48:19

Number seven you're going to this is going

48:19

to be higher up on your list.

48:22

I already know it. Oh, boy.

48:24

Yeah. So we could say we can. We can table it as they say.

48:28

Tables say as they say.

48:30

Table the discussion. What? You least have to tell us what it is

48:32

before it is tabled.

48:35

It is Spike Lee's. He Got Game.

48:38

Oh, fuck, yeah. Guy. Yes. Movie.

48:43

Yeah. Let's just hold on to it and table it

48:43

because it is somewhere else on my list.

48:46

But I'm very happy that you've seen it

48:46

and you did watch it.

48:51

We were talking about Spike

48:51

Lee and I was like, You got us.

48:53

You got to watch this before

48:53

we get into it or something.

48:55

I watched He got Game

48:55

B, not even for an episode.

49:00

I don't recall. I think it was just something

49:01

you were pressing and you're like,

49:04

You got to see this. Yeah. Oh no.

49:06

I think it might have been around

49:06

Malcolm X It might have been.

49:09

I think it was Malcolm X, Yeah,

49:09

because I wanted you to, to attempt to see

49:14

I was like I try to see

49:14

like the four Denzel Spike movies

49:18

and if you don't get two Mo better blues,

49:18

that's fine, but you at least have to do.

49:21

He got Game

49:21

because I knew you'd see the inside man.

49:23

You're watching Malcolm X And then, yeah,

49:23

he got game

49:25

and he got game was something.

49:27

When I watched it, I don't know. I felt a lot deeper about like

49:29

it was just a style of filmmaking.

49:34

I think I just really, really like Spike

49:34

Lee now.

49:38

I need to keep going deeper and deeper,

49:38

but every movie that I've watched from him

49:43

has has been like a

49:43

a masterclass in moviemaking.

49:49

Yeah, in ways

49:49

that I don't get inspired by this a lot.

49:54

Like currently, like for sure

49:54

when I when I watched he's got to have it.

49:58

Oh my God

49:58

I, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

50:02

I was like, because it's just all energy.

50:05

It's all heart,

50:05

energy, sweat, blood and creativity.

50:09

Every creativity,

50:09

every single dollar is accounted for.

50:12

It's John Cassavetes making. Yeah, it's it's literally that school.

50:16

And that's why we identify. I love that movie.

50:19

She's got to have it.

50:21

25th hour to me

50:21

is a pretty unassailable run.

50:25

It's 86 to 22. And he I'm not saying every movie in

50:27

there is great, but like most of them are

50:31

and even the Underseen ones like

50:31

Get on the Bus, it's a really good movie.

50:35

Like I love Spike Lee in that run

50:35

in particular.

50:39

Like, damn. I mean, yeah,

50:39

he got games without question.

50:42

My I'll say it

50:42

now my most viewed film of 1998.

50:45

I've seen this movie so many times.

50:47

I adore this movie. Yeah. So I had to give this movie

50:49

its rightful due on my list

50:53

because I was so inspired by it

50:57

when I watched it and loved it.

50:59

Oh great. Yeah, that's not the end of the

51:00

He got game conversation

51:03

table that my number seven.

51:05

I actually don't know

51:05

if it's going to be on your list.

51:08

I don't know if it'll be a new top ten,

51:08

but I have to put it all in here.

51:12

Huge movie.

51:12

As I've already mentioned for the year.

51:15

We have spent a lot of time on it

51:15

on this podcast.

51:18

It is Steven Spielberg's

51:18

Saving Private Ryan.

51:21

It was dumb movie of the year. It would feel weird to me

51:23

to not have it on the list.

51:26

It's not. I mean, I do I really

51:27

I really like Saving Private Ryan.

51:30

And one of the highlights of What

51:30

you Watching podcast was episode 77.

51:35

Was there a Saving Private Ryan commentary

51:35

in which, well, I just accidentally got

51:41

talked about so much, accidentally

51:41

got entirely too drunk, did not mean to.

51:45

I don't know if people can tell

51:45

when you listen to it.

51:47

I could tell while I was editing it.

51:50

I've only listened to it once since.

51:52

Hilarious. Because it is it's a it was a real doozy

51:52

and it didn't mean for that to happen.

51:58

Yeah, fun times. But I mean, those those first 25 minutes

52:03

was the most talked about movie

52:03

sequence of the year.

52:05

There's just nothing else

52:05

that came close to it. It was everywhere.

52:08

And you had to talk about it

52:08

and had to see it.

52:10

So for those, you know, cultural instances

52:10

alone, that's why it makes my list.

52:16

And I can't believe I mean, it

52:16

it didn't make mine.

52:20

I didn't think it was going to.

52:20

And that's okay.

52:22

I for some reason I was like,

52:22

I don't think it's going to make his list.

52:25

I will say I had this much higher

52:25

when I did my first draft

52:30

and then I went, No,

52:30

I got to be real with myself here.

52:34

And this is like a great movie and

52:34

deserved more Oscar love than it receives.

52:38

I acknowledge all that, but it's still like, you know,

52:39

I still like other movies more than it.

52:43

But it's yeah, it's Saving Private Ryan. It's like, what more do we need to say?

52:45

You know? Yeah, yeah.

52:47

That's it's kind of what it is like. The movie speaks for itself, but like,

52:49

when I'm looking at what this year

52:52

does and like, like what it meant to me,

52:55

you know, even though it still has

52:55

one of my favorite movie experiences too,

52:59

like seeing them with my dad

52:59

and having it freak out in the beginning.

53:01

Yeah. And ask me if I was okay.

53:04

This is I'm like, this is like

53:04

we're watching some real like an awesome

53:09

not awesome in that way,

53:09

but like some awesome moviemaking shit.

53:12

But if we're using that word literally,

53:12

it is awesome.

53:15

This movie is that opening

53:15

sequence contained so much awesome

53:18

power that no one had seen

53:18

anything like that before.

53:22

Yeah, we've all seen it done to death.

53:24

I mean, I recently rewatched

53:24

and not a call down, right?

53:28

I watch Black Hawk Down

53:30

and once that starts like 45 minutes

53:30

into the movie, I didn't realize

53:33

how you have to be into the movie

53:33

for the battle to start.

53:36

And then it doesn't stop. But it's just that for, for like an hour

53:37

and a half, if not longer,

53:41

and that that's the best version of it. It does a really good job,

53:43

but that is like the only one.

53:46

It's the only one that really lives up to it. But even still,

53:47

it doesn't come close to matching.

53:50

I will never forget 12 years old,

53:50

sitting next to my dad.

53:54

I remember the movie theater we were at when that fucking door

53:55

came down off of that first boat.

53:59

I will never forget that. And people in the

54:00

theater were just jumping. I mean, there were

54:02

there were men, clearly veterans in their dress, in like suits, like it was

54:04

it was a deal like it was.

54:07

And I remember

54:07

my dad just making a noise like, you know,

54:10

you know, your dad's your parents

54:10

noises and like, hearing a noise

54:13

where he was distressed watching this,

54:13

he was like, oh, fuck.

54:18

Like, okay, But, you know,

54:18

kind of kind of sounds like your dad.

54:21

Like, he's got

54:21

they got to be strong for us, too.

54:23

And I was just sitting

54:23

there wide eyed and open.

54:27

Honestly, I have chills is talking about

54:27

this is why it made my list.

54:30

Honestly, feeling like I was sitting there

54:30

watching a fucking documentary.

54:34

That's how it felt and going

54:34

like it was Tom Hanks and World War Two.

54:39

Like what it was. Yeah. Never forget it.

54:41

And yeah, and then they rereleased it.

54:44

I think in February 99 for the Oscars.

54:47

And that was the first time my mom saw it. So like a lot of people

54:50

were going back to see it either again

54:50

or seeing it for the first time.

54:54

Yeah, I remember that too. But yeah, the biggest movie of the year,

54:55

just in terms of monoculture, whatever.

54:59

So yeah, 98 Saving Private Ryan.

54:59

Good shit.

55:02

The best movie to never win. Best picture, maybe,

55:03

but that's a good conversation.

55:06

Yeah. There's two movies that came very close

55:06

that in Brokeback Mountain are probably

55:09

the two best movies that were like locks

55:09

to win best picture and then just didn't.

55:14

Okay, So that was my number seven. Number six for you.

55:17

Oh, man, you already said this isn't

55:17

on your list, but there's no way I did.

55:22

I I've seen this movie

55:22

so many times that it, it can't.

55:26

Not via my list. And so it doesn't to the top five

55:27

because I don't think this is

55:30

like the greatest movie ever

55:30

but I have to put it it's Armageddon.

55:34

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

55:36

Forget it. All right then. So.

55:39

Okay so for my number ten pick,

55:39

I was confused.

55:42

You were giving me shit. There was a double feature. Not for, like, the quality of film.

55:46

You really don't like it because.

55:48

Oh, you saw it again. It's not. I mean, come on. Yeah, Hard times.

55:51

I'm, like, full cheese land here.

55:54

But I love this. I love it.

55:56

This movie's just released. Awesome. Amazing commentary.

55:58

I bought the Criterion.

56:00

A used criterion. Adam Ebert with you for, like, five bucks

56:02

just so I could listen to the commentary

56:06

in which it's. There's like four tracks

56:07

that they edited together.

56:10

They were recorded separately. Michael Bay, Bruce, Ben Affleck,

56:11

all recorded separately.

56:14

Ben Affleck spends the entire thing

56:14

making fun of the movie.

56:17

I've never heard anything like it. And just talking about how dumb it is,

56:19

it is amazing.

56:22

Yes, Armageddon. It's so it's so good.

56:25

I mean, it's just well, it's a who's

56:25

who of like

56:29

nineties actor casting will Pam.

56:32

Oh Michael Duncan.

56:34

Oh yeah. Owen Wilson. Oh he's like it's very small bit

56:39

and semi like there's just something that's so fun

56:43

about like in a movie like this

56:43

and they don't do it anymore where like

56:48

you get like a cast like this

56:48

the Ocean's movies probably do it the best

56:52

but that round up right you're you're,

56:52

you're

56:55

getting the round up of the characters

56:55

that are going to be Yeah.

56:59

The people of the movie

56:59

and they all come from like some weird

57:04

like Michael Clarke until could come

57:04

get Papa Bear on the motorcycle.

57:07

Kids get chased by cops. It's like,

57:09

why is he getting chased? Like, what?

57:11

What is going on? We don't want to pay taxes ever.

57:13

Like what?

57:15

But like, Bruce is great in this too.

57:18

Bruce is like, really cool, but he's just

57:18

so on board with what's on camera.

57:22

You really see, like, the movie star quality

57:24

come out, dad and yes, sucking Billy Bob.

57:28

Fucking Billy Bob. Yeah. Great. This movie,

57:29

I love Billy. Great.

57:31

Oh, he's like, This is one of those movies

57:31

where it's like

57:37

everyone plays it perfectly because, like,

57:37

Bruce Willis is the movie star.

57:41

Like, Oh,

57:41

this is what it means to be a movie star.

57:44

You are the lead, you are the hero.

57:47

You carry the weight of everything

57:47

that needs

57:51

to be understood

57:51

emotionally on your shoulders.

57:54

Because he's not that acting necessarily.

57:57

He's just well, he's caring.

57:59

Well,

57:59

he needs to be carried for the movie.

58:02

I mean, I love Bruce Willis,

58:02

and we do, too.

58:04

Like like he's a great

58:06

movie star. It's Armageddon. Come on. It's Armageddon.

58:09

He knows with the assignment is. Yes.

58:11

And and Billy Bob does, too,

58:11

because his whole entire thing

58:15

with every single line of dialog

58:15

is to make you believe that the worst

58:20

possible like thing that could happen

58:20

is happening right now.

58:24

I love it's his job is to elevate the stakes

58:25

with every single scene is in his stuff

58:28

like all of his stuff in you know,

58:28

the meetings boardrooms, conference rooms.

58:32

I love that one guy bubbling

58:32

Billy Bob's like career from somebody else

58:36

who's maybe had a little less caffeine,

58:36

just like that.

58:40

You know, Jason Isaacs is there, the corner. Billy Bob's like this

58:42

pretty much smartest guy in the world.

58:44

You should listen to him. I just I love it.

58:46

And Jason, what is Jason Isaacs aids like?

58:49

I be listening to a man

58:49

who got a C minus in chemistry.

58:51

Or would I? I don't know. It's like this is also one

58:52

of those scripts where you could feel like

58:57

every hot writer in L.A. probably took a pass at it.

59:00

Like, I bet even Tarantino had a pass

59:00

and just got like one line of dialog

59:04

in there. I don't know, some. It just there's a lot of like snap,

59:05

crackle, pop

59:08

and let's not forget about what was one of

59:12

I don't even know where I would put it in

59:12

terms of this would be

59:15

a good conversation to have is like,

59:15

what's the greatest song?

59:19

Well, the year ever

59:19

because the year before you had Titanic.

59:23

So it starts this whole thing of like,

59:23

we need a songs for our movie.

59:27

So they do that in Armageddon

59:27

and it worked like this

59:30

song was a fucking hit

59:30

and it fueled the movie.

59:33

It really worked. And it's still a hit.

59:35

It's still a banger. It's I don't Want To Miss a Thing

59:36

by Aerosmith.

59:39

This song is an absolute banger,

59:39

and if it comes on at the club,

59:43

then we're all going.

59:43

It would never come on in the club.

59:46

But if it were

59:46

everyone would get going with it.

59:50

Oh, man. Oh, God.

59:52

All right. That was your number six. My number six is my first one.

59:56

That will say 1997 on anything

59:56

you read of it.

59:59

Small film, twisty film.

1:00:01

It's David Mamet's The Spanish Prisoner.

1:00:04

Oh, I love it. I love this movie.

1:00:07

I'm a huge David Mamet fan,

1:00:07

and The Spanish Prisoner is the movie

1:00:12

he that clearly Mamet made to say,

1:00:16

like F-you to all of his haters

1:00:16

because it's rated PG.

1:00:20

There's not a single curse word

1:00:20

in the whole thing.

1:00:23

He's not relying on that. And it is. The Spanish prisoner is the name of a very

1:00:25

famous con in general, very old con.

1:00:30

And you see it get to be played out

1:00:30

with an amazing cast, Campbell Scott,

1:00:35

Steve Martin playing totally against type.

1:00:38

Ricky Jay, Rebecca Pidgeon.

1:00:40

I watched it last night.

1:00:40

It actually helped me.

1:00:43

It bumped it up a few more steps

1:00:43

when I reviewed it on letterbox

1:00:46

because I review every movie,

1:00:46

gave it highest rating.

1:00:49

Like I just love this. It's so twisty.

1:00:52

If you've never seen it, it's

1:00:52

very easy to find.

1:00:55

It's unlike Peacock and to be right now.

1:00:57

I promise to just. It's a really fun.

1:00:57

All right.

1:00:59

But I was watching it yesterday

1:00:59

for this episode.

1:01:02

I went, Oh, I get this now.

1:01:05

This is just the 1940s noir.

1:01:07

That's how he wrote this. It has some technology in it,

1:01:08

but that's all it is.

1:01:11

Like the way they're talking to each other. It's exactly like a 1940s noir.

1:01:15

So if you like those types of movies,

1:01:15

you'll love this.

1:01:18

It's so good. Fucking love the Spanish Prisoner.

1:01:19

Love this movie.

1:01:21

Well, you're fucking you're, you're, you're. I feel like you're trying to really

1:01:23

sell it to an audience of me right here.

1:01:26

You have you. That's it. You can all do it because. Yeah, this is.

1:01:31

Yeah, we have a guy. Yeah.

1:01:33

We've never had the full conversation. I don't know what it is,

1:01:34

but I don't know, like, why you don't

1:01:40

necessarily like him. Other than.

1:01:42

Yeah, here's what I can say. If you're not down with his speak.

1:01:46

It's the same thing with Aaron Sorkin. Like if you're not down with,

1:01:50

with the way this dialog is written

1:01:50

and being delivered, an understanding

1:01:53

that real people do not talk

1:01:53

like this in the world, this is not

1:01:57

how people talk and understand going,

1:01:57

okay, he's that's all intentional.

1:02:01

Like he doesn't

1:02:01

want us to take place in hardened reality.

1:02:04

I can step into it

1:02:04

and be very okay with it.

1:02:07

I cannot do that with every Aaron

1:02:07

Sorkin thing.

1:02:09

A lot of people can't do it with Tarantino. Just these people who manipulate language

1:02:11

to suit their needs.

1:02:15

But yeah, I'm

1:02:15

I'm a massive David Mamet fan and

1:02:20

if I've honestly loved to talk about him

1:02:20

on the podcast,

1:02:23

but I would never make you watch a bunch

1:02:23

of movies from someone you don't like.

1:02:26

But I've always wanted to like even have

1:02:26

a guest on to talk about it because I've

1:02:31

this is probably one of our biggest

1:02:33

you and I, our biggest like separators.

1:02:36

Our biggest divide. Yeah, because you and I, we've never even

1:02:37

really talked about him on Mike or off.

1:02:41

And I'm like, obsessed. I know everything about particularly

1:02:43

his film work, all the plays, not as much

1:02:48

I know the plays that have been turned

1:02:48

into movies, but his screenplays and his

1:02:52

are the ones he's directed, he hasn't

1:02:52

directed and movie in a long time.

1:02:55

But yeah, I love them. Well,

1:02:57

I mean, I can absolutely speak to it. I mean, he's number one

1:02:58

in first and foremost.

1:03:01

Like there's nothing

1:03:01

that I have would respect like that.

1:03:03

Like this is get out

1:03:03

that is coming from theater.

1:03:06

David Mamet is a giant

1:03:06

and I and I, I stand by this too.

1:03:11

I feel like you can't really if you're entering into the world

1:03:12

of theater as an actor or as a writer,

1:03:17

you do need to work with David Mamet

1:03:17

in some type of way

1:03:21

because it's almost it's

1:03:21

almost like its own style.

1:03:24

It's it's, it's, it's not Shakespeare or anything

1:03:25

like that, but there is a certain

1:03:29

level of rhythm that you have to get into

1:03:29

that is Shakespearean in order to do

1:03:33

Shakespeare, you have to find that rhythm

1:03:33

for Mamet, you have to find that rhythm.

1:03:38

And I respect that. I really do.

1:03:40

And he has done so many things.

1:03:43

And there are certain things

1:03:43

when I see it done well, it's undeniable

1:03:47

that I'm like, Well, that's that's exactly how like Glengarry Glen

1:03:49

Ross is a perfect example.

1:03:53

I was going to say like,

1:03:53

do you not like that movie?

1:03:55

Or No, I do like that movie,

1:03:55

which he did not like that he did.

1:03:59

He only wrote. But yeah, and that is all of those actors

1:04:00

cooking on all cylinders

1:04:04

with that dialog. And and when it works, it really works.

1:04:09

My issue is purely

1:04:09

from a writing standpoint.

1:04:13

I'm like,

1:04:13

Just say what you fucking want to say.

1:04:17

Just every character just dances

1:04:17

around it.

1:04:21

The whole time. And I'm like, Oh,

1:04:23

it drives me up the wall.

1:04:26

No, but this is what I mean. Like if you can't

1:04:28

get into the syntax of it and it's like,

1:04:28

I'll give you $1,000 for that camera.

1:04:32

This camera, That camera. Yes, I'll give you $1,000.

1:04:35

You don't need to offer me

1:04:35

money. It's just a courtesy.

1:04:38

If you want the camera,

1:04:38

I'll give it to you. It's like.

1:04:40

So that's all from Spanish Prisoner. It's la da da da da. And it's going back

1:04:41

and back and back again.

1:04:44

This is not how people actually talk. It's. Yeah. Hey, I didn't want to have

1:04:46

my picture taken there.

1:04:48

Can you give me that fucking camera? Like, I'll pay for it if you want people.

1:04:52

But it's all Spanish

1:04:52

Prisoner in particular is obsessed

1:04:57

with politeness and gratitude.

1:05:00

And so all the characters

1:05:00

are very overly polite.

1:05:04

And if you say something that's a slight

1:05:04

like this word wasn't nice,

1:05:07

or you didn't extend this courtesy to me,

1:05:07

Yeah, I can step into all that.

1:05:12

I do not want to watch every movie

1:05:12

this way. I don't.

1:05:14

But but looking at his filmography,

1:05:14

I mean, there are just so many

1:05:18

outstanding things like Glengarry

1:05:18

Glen Ross, short of his screenplays,

1:05:22

like The Verdict,

1:05:22

I think is Tops Glengarry Wag the Dog.

1:05:26

I love I love the screenplay for White Dog

1:05:26

The Edge.

1:05:28

I love that movie. I'm just I'm a huge fan.

1:05:29

Have you of the movies

1:05:32

he's directed, have you ever seen Heist

1:05:32

with Gene Hackman?

1:05:35

Oh, no. 2001. Yeah.

1:05:38

I wonder if you would like that. It's it still has the dialog

1:05:39

but Hackman is like

1:05:43

that Was that mix with Tenenbaums

1:05:43

That was his last great performance

1:05:46

and he is even if you don't like Mamet,

1:05:46

everyone who watches Heist, you're like,

1:05:50

already fucking good in that. It's him.

1:05:53

Sam Rockwell really

1:05:53

breaking out a huge breakout role.

1:05:56

Danny DeVito playing extremely against

1:05:56

type and Delroy Lindo, who is incredible.

1:06:02

Oh, I love that movie. There is a high scene in it

1:06:05

that goes back to Jean-Pierre Melville,

1:06:05

which is it's like 10 minutes.

1:06:09

And they do not say a word.

1:06:09

You're just watching them operate.

1:06:12

They're not speaking

1:06:12

because they've already rehearsed it.

1:06:14

So they're just doing it and not talking.

1:06:16

And we're just watching their movements

1:06:16

with such great efficiency.

1:06:20

So right there, that's Mamet going, You think I need a million words

1:06:22

to make my point?

1:06:25

I'm not going to have anyone talk

1:06:25

for 10 minutes and watch this.

1:06:28

And it is an amazing high scene.

1:06:30

So I hear you saying, I absolutely do.

1:06:32

I can't I can't even argue

1:06:32

with you about it, because it is correct.

1:06:36

He does right that way. That is true. It is.

1:06:40

But again, like I'm also not speaking

1:06:40

from a place of like

1:06:44

like I don't

1:06:44

I don't understand why he is who he is

1:06:48

and why he is, like, revered in this way,

1:06:48

because I think it's all deserved.

1:06:52

It's just a personal reference in taste.

1:06:55

But that all being said,

1:06:55

I have to even give him more credit

1:06:59

because in figuring out

1:06:59

one of my characters

1:07:02

for the latest script

1:07:02

that I'm writing, here you go.

1:07:06

I did not unlock that character myself

1:07:10

until I frustratingly read

1:07:10

American Buffalo Bone,

1:07:13

and I literally threw the play

1:07:13

against the wall because I got so pissed

1:07:19

at one of the characters

1:07:19

for just not saying what he needed to say.

1:07:22

But then I go,

1:07:22

Oh my God, that's who my character is.

1:07:26

You're the guy to say, Yeah.

1:07:29

So I mean, all of this is really just me

1:07:29

actually

1:07:31

proving your point

1:07:31

of how good he actually is.

1:07:35

Well, it'd be interesting to go. We don't have time here.

1:07:38

It would be interesting to go through his filmography and see, like,

1:07:40

how many of his you've I'd be curious

1:07:42

how many you've, like,

1:07:42

seen and sat through.

1:07:45

But hey, that was a nice conversation

1:07:45

because it was, you.

1:07:49

I always like talking about Mamet.

1:07:51

It's just always one of those things where it's like, if I have to sit through a mammoth thing,

1:07:53

I'm like, This better be fucking good.

1:07:57

I was just, I was like,

1:07:57

had a huge smile on my face

1:08:00

the whole time watching yesterday. First of all, like Mike Campbell, Scott

1:08:01

Love is at the top of like my character

1:08:06

actor love. So there's Ray Liotta, there's Chris Mac.

1:08:10

I'm not playing that jingle because

1:08:10

that was an inorganic way to bring it up.

1:08:13

It was an Oh, no,

1:08:13

you're bringing in the jingle. I'm not.

1:08:15

I can't. Well, you've said it. You said you made the president.

1:08:18

You know who you've laid down the thunder.

1:08:20

You know who's in the faculty,

1:08:20

who has two scenes, three

1:08:24

seats, Chris, as Elijah

1:08:24

as Elijah Wood's dad.

1:08:27

That's right. Chris Mack.

1:08:30

That's how much I love Campbell Scott

1:08:30

right up there with Chris Mack.

1:08:33

So it's just great to see him doing the Mamet speak. We can move on. It's okay.

1:08:36

I actually have two in row here because number five was rounders for you,

1:08:37

rather your number five rounders.

1:08:41

But we do have to breeze over it. There's another point

1:08:42

you want to say to it. Speak on it.

1:08:45

No, I'm done. Can't believe

1:08:45

I call it a hanger worm.

1:08:47

What a shit hole. Just like immediately when you get to that

1:08:48

caliber, that's 11, okay?

1:08:52

And you. And you see David's face, like the camera

1:08:52

just holds of David's face.

1:08:56

Like This fucking asshole.

1:08:59

The one thing he had to do

1:08:59

was stay out of here,

1:09:01

Just go to a bowling alley,

1:09:01

and he couldn't do it.

1:09:04

I just realized I was talking

1:09:04

to the microphone for, like, 20 seconds

1:09:07

because I was so into it. My mouth was just completely away

1:09:08

from the microphone.

1:09:11

Rounders Number five cracked your top

1:09:11

five for getting into your top five.

1:09:14

Yeah, well, I suppose

1:09:14

both of our top five is it.

1:09:16

It was two in a row

1:09:16

that have I IMDB 1997 releases.

1:09:21

Oh I rewatch this one often and I

1:09:21

put it on this morning, woke up at 6 a.m.

1:09:26

and put it on before my workout. Well, that is Paul Schrader's affliction.

1:09:32

Yes, we're going to talk about it. So we're definitely going to talk about

1:09:33

this is in my top five of the year.

1:09:37

This is, um, it's a really, really important movie

1:09:38

to me. Like it gets

1:09:40

this is one that gets better with age.

1:09:44

Absolutely. This is one that got a lot of airplay

1:09:44

on our drunken Saving Private

1:09:48

Ryan commentary for no reason.

1:09:50

Just I just kept bringing it up

1:09:52

briefly because I don't know how how

1:09:52

well this one has been seen.

1:09:55

Thankfully, it

1:09:55

sometimes it's easy to find.

1:09:58

Sometimes it'll pop up on to be on Pluto

1:09:58

on those, and then it'll just go away.

1:10:03

It's never gotten a Blu ray release. I bought the DVD.

1:10:06

I actually sent you the DVD.

1:10:08

Yes, you should for this podcast,

1:10:08

because I'm like, No excuses.

1:10:12

You got to watch it. DVD doesn't

1:10:12

look that good.

1:10:14

That's okay. It's just it's a home grown movie

1:10:16

about about Nick Nolte.

1:10:19

Are you living in this cold, quiet town?

1:10:22

And he has an alcoholic father

1:10:22

played with ferocious

1:10:26

intensity by James Coburn,

1:10:26

who won best supporting actor.

1:10:30

Rightly so. It's not even about like there's

1:10:31

no big thing that happens

1:10:34

there kind of is, but you're just watching them and you're watching a man like turn into his father

1:10:36

and as a result, fall apart.

1:10:40

And it is it's this is right up there

1:10:40

with leaving Las Vegas

1:10:43

as best movie I've ever seen

1:10:43

about the lifelong effects of alcoholism,

1:10:47

not just the drink itself, but if someone

1:10:51

is, you know, that lifelong boozer,

1:10:51

what that does to everyone.

1:10:54

And it's not, you know, Nick Nolte,

1:10:54

he has a brother in the film and a sister,

1:10:57

but the brother is played by the film's

1:10:57

narrator, Willem Dafoe.

1:11:00

And they have completely different lives,

1:11:00

completely different lives,

1:11:03

because at 1.1 of them

1:11:03

decided to make a choice and diverge

1:11:07

and not go the way of the drink

1:11:07

and not be afflicted by the same disease.

1:11:12

And I mean what power.

1:11:15

I didn't expect to turn it on this morning,

1:11:15

but you and I were actually just talking about it

1:11:17

on the phone yesterday. So I'm like,

1:11:20

I am going to put on I mean, I watched it

1:11:20

two weeks ago and I was just too well,

1:11:24

this is one of those ones

1:11:24

where it's like it didn't make my top ten.

1:11:29

And I think that's a real, real

1:11:29

big problem because I,

1:11:33

I have a feeling that, like,

1:11:33

if you were to ask me in a little,

1:11:37

like, you know, a month from now, this probably would be

1:11:39

because I can't stop thinking about it.

1:11:41

Well, yeah,

1:11:41

it's fair. Yes, you watched it and

1:11:45

well, the thing is, is like,

1:11:48

I love Paul Schrader. Like, I really this is my favorite.

1:11:52

He's done.

1:11:52

This is my favorite movie. He's done.

1:11:54

I don't know if there's anyone out there

1:11:57

and maybe this is such a broad

1:11:57

blanket statement, but maybe it's not that

1:12:02

in his writing and directing puts

1:12:05

himself out there

1:12:05

as much as Paul Schrader.

1:12:08

Yeah, like that

1:12:08

man has had a lot of darkness

1:12:12

and hate in his life that it seems like

1:12:12

to his credit, he's overcome.

1:12:18

He's dealt with. I think he works on it every

1:12:19

I think he works on it every day. Yes.

1:12:24

But it is there It is in the work.

1:12:27

It's in the work. And it's unapologetic.

1:12:30

He does not shy away from it. He like and and he has a point, though,

1:12:32

and you said it perfectly.

1:12:37

These are the long term effects of what

1:12:37

happens to people who are like this.

1:12:42

It's not a cautionary tale. No.

1:12:44

But I feel like everything he writes is

1:12:44

in his way, just like watch it play out.

1:12:50

But there's no one going

1:12:50

like don't do this, don't have that.

1:12:53

It's not like that. It's like, Hey, watch what happens when

1:12:54

you do have that 12th drink of the day.

1:12:57

Watch this. That's what it's doing. Yeah.

1:13:00

And he just goes is deep into like

1:13:00

the vein it could possibly go to.

1:13:06

And I just really appreciate

1:13:09

any artist in this

1:13:12

and any genre really, whether it's a writer, director,

1:13:13

even like painters or shit that just like

1:13:17

they've got their shit and they're going

1:13:17

to put it out and it's not for everyone.

1:13:22

Like it's not

1:13:22

you can't watch a movie like this

1:13:25

or like a movie like, Oh God, that

1:13:25

won't be just references on the page.

1:13:29

Not too long ago,

1:13:32

the one with George C Scott Hardcore.

1:13:35

Hardcore. Yeah, hardcore.

1:13:37

Everybody's awesome. Oh, good.

1:13:40

Right? Like,

1:13:43

like Taxi Driver. I mean, bringing out the dead,

1:13:45

like, Raging Bull. So it's.

1:13:48

It's a Raging bull. Like it's on screen.

1:13:51

He puts it all up there,

1:13:51

he puts it all up there.

1:13:53

And then the movies that he directs

1:13:53

that he's got control over

1:13:57

are really the ones that get real weird

1:13:57

because he he's got no other

1:14:03

like auteur to kind of like finesse

1:14:03

what he's trying to do.

1:14:07

Yeah, we're not his

1:14:07

we're not watching Jake LaMotta

1:14:10

masturbate in the prison cell

1:14:10

as it was written by Paul Schrader.

1:14:14

We instead Scorsese,

1:14:14

he goes, He's going to punch the wall.

1:14:17

Instead they're Paul

1:14:17

And that's that's so yes, yes.

1:14:20

There's yes. When when it's. Schrader uncut,

1:14:21

as is the case with affliction.

1:14:23

There's nothing sexual in affliction at all. But it is like, no, here you go.

1:14:27

My goal is to make the feel bad movie of the year

1:14:28

and I'm going to do a really good one.

1:14:32

And he does. Yeah. And and that's and that's what

1:14:33

I really appreciated about this movie was

1:14:39

that the the depths that he was willing

1:14:39

to go as a writer and director,

1:14:44

but then also give it to all of the actors

1:14:44

for doing the exact same thing.

1:14:48

Yeah. Like Nick Nolte.

1:14:51

Man, I would love to know what

1:14:51

that working

1:14:54

relationship was like because, well,

1:14:54

Oh, okay.

1:14:59

This was idea. Nick Nolte, the executive, produced this.

1:15:02

This was this

1:15:02

movie was largely him and Paul

1:15:06

Schrader developing it together

1:15:06

and finding the finance.

1:15:09

So it was it was all good.

1:15:11

Everyone was there to work. It was we're doing it.

1:15:13

We're here. That's amazing.

1:15:15

He sat down, James Coburn, and he said,

1:15:15

because they offer it to a lot of people

1:15:19

and a lot of people were afraid. I think even Paul Newman.

1:15:22

And then Newman suggested James Coburn.

1:15:25

They offered it to James Garner, James Caan, and they were all like,

1:15:26

I can't, I can't go here with this.

1:15:30

Like, you know,

1:15:30

these are all guys who maybe it was

1:15:32

well hidden because it was decades ago,

1:15:32

but a lot of the old school

1:15:36

guys had problems with booze,

1:15:36

like a lot of them.

1:15:38

And, you know, it wasn't

1:15:38

talked about as much as it is today.

1:15:41

And they just didn't

1:15:41

want to go and do this.

1:15:43

But they kept suggesting James Coburn, Paul Schrader

1:15:44

went to James Coburn and essentially said,

1:15:48

I need you to actually act in this

1:15:48

like I've been trying for years

1:15:52

to get this made. We only have $6 million.

1:15:54

And James Coburn is like, oh, great,

1:15:54

no one's asked me to do that in years.

1:15:57

And ended up

1:15:57

winning the Oscar for it. And he's

1:16:01

I mean, I was honestly

1:16:02

getting a little emotional this morning

1:16:05

watching it, even though I've seen it before, because I've known guys like this

1:16:06

I've known professional boozers.

1:16:09

Like what? Nick Nolte, he's on his way to or I've

1:16:10

known guys who are in James Coburn shape.

1:16:14

I'm not saying I know them well,

1:16:14

but I've seen guys operate like this,

1:16:18

I've seen it

1:16:18

and it is a shockingly realistic

1:16:24

portrayal of it, even the way like

1:16:24

his voice will go up, he's mocking them.

1:16:28

Or my favorite little moment of the movie

1:16:28

is the first time we meet James Coburn,

1:16:32

Sissy Spacek, who plays

1:16:32

like the kind of love interest of Nick

1:16:35

Nolte,

1:16:35

even though Nolte is not really character,

1:16:38

I don't really think he knows what love is

1:16:38

or like how to go about it, but

1:16:42

it's the first time they go to James Coburn's house. So it's Dad's house

1:16:44

and he has to walk past his dad to get

1:16:48

to the bedroom, to go check on his mom

1:16:48

because, you know, mom's taken a nap.

1:16:52

So Nick Nolte,

1:16:52

he wants to go check on her.

1:16:54

And when he does this,

1:16:54

he gives James Coburn or Pop,

1:16:57

as he calls him, like a triple

1:16:57

take of like any hunches,

1:17:01

his head down

1:17:01

because he's so terrified of him.

1:17:04

He's bigger than James Coburn now.

1:17:06

He's younger. He could kick the shit out of him, but

1:17:07

he's still terrified and he dwarfs himself

1:17:11

and he makes his voice smaller

1:17:11

and he's like giving him this triple take

1:17:16

and that right there, it's like,

1:17:16

Oh my God, just the effects of it.

1:17:19

And then all the little details,

1:17:19

like the licking of the salt constantly.

1:17:23

And that's what you see space that clicks together of,

1:17:24

Oh my God, just turning into your father.

1:17:27

And, and then you lead to a conclusion

1:17:27

where you're seeing father and son

1:17:31

kind of behave like animals. And I'm not saying they're all around

1:17:32

in the dirt and wrestling.

1:17:35

It's it's not that kind of movie. It's the way

1:17:37

they're talking to each other. Yeah. I mean, that bottle and, like,

1:17:39

just going all around

1:17:42

and, like, just, Oh,

1:17:42

my God, you're just watching Two beasts.

1:17:45

I love this movie. If we're talking about addiction movies,

1:17:46

this is rated so highly for me.

1:17:50

I love this movie,

1:17:50

but not not a feel good.

1:17:53

Just American history,

1:17:53

not a feel good movie.

1:17:56

No, no, no, no. But yeah, what a it's a very, very

1:17:58

powerful and I really, really like that.

1:18:02

Thank you for sending it to me

1:18:02

because that there's no way.

1:18:05

Because you can also see it anywhere. No, sometimes it'll pop.

1:18:08

It's just one of those that pops up

1:18:08

for like a week or two here.

1:18:11

But I don't know, It's, it's, it's

1:18:11

just a shame because, like Blu

1:18:15

ray Paul Schrader commentary,

1:18:15

which he's done for a lot of movies,

1:18:18

like I'm the first one to buy it, but there's probably a total out there

1:18:20

who would love it.

1:18:24

Affliction

1:18:24

Blu ray with The Paul Schrader commentary.

1:18:26

But oh my God damn it, I'm one of them. Yeah. God, I love it.

1:18:29

I am very glad you watch it. Really glad we had a nice discussion

1:18:31

about it. Affliction.

1:18:33

Oh, so good. Your number four.

1:18:38

Yes. I'm glad we're doing this one

1:18:38

because this would be my double feature.

1:18:41

But unlike you, where

1:18:41

I just took two movies that have.

1:18:45

No, no correlation to each other.

1:18:48

Whatever. Whatever, man, it's

1:18:49

so they have a correlation in my heart.

1:18:54

They match it. But you know what? If it wasn't for that,

1:18:55

then I wouldn't be able to do this.

1:18:58

And this makes me so happy because I wasn't. I didn't know how else was going

1:19:00

to get this movie in here.

1:19:03

So this is my dark comedy section.

1:19:06

I know. I knew one of them that I did.

1:19:06

Yeah, I do.

1:19:08

One of them is going to be here from

1:19:08

Oh yeah, Funniest movie Episodes Pod.

1:19:12

The first movie in the double feature

1:19:12

is this

1:19:16

awesome piece of business called Dead

1:19:16

Man on Campus.

1:19:19

Yes, Yes. Oh, my God.

1:19:22

Oh, you're for dead, man.

1:19:24

I'll get a better movie than Out of Sight.

1:19:28

A better movie that he just gave. I don't.

1:19:30

Hey, is why these are lists.

1:19:33

Dead men on campus is remarkable, but.

1:19:37

Well, this was the one movie

1:19:37

that when it was done in the theater,

1:19:40

my dad was like,

1:19:40

I don't know if we should have done that.

1:19:43

One same private eye. Totally fine, totally fun to watch

1:19:44

people get fucking hacked to shreds, like

1:19:49

stabbed slowly through the chest, like,

1:19:49

no big deal, you know?

1:19:52

No big deal. But bong hits over and over in college.

1:19:55

Dad had a problem

1:19:55

with that. I love it. It's

1:20:00

just. I just like telling people

1:20:00

who've never even heard of this movie.

1:20:03

The premise and the premise is,

1:20:03

is that it's this these two guys,

1:20:08

these college roommates party too hard

1:20:11

and and start

1:20:11

flunking out of their classes.

1:20:15

But they find a loophole in the school's

1:20:15

charter that if your roommate of your dorm

1:20:20

room commits suicide, you get straight

1:20:20

A's total rule by the year.

1:20:25

An actual real thing. Not at all. What?

1:20:28

Not at all. And so these to go on a mission

1:20:32

to try to find the most suicidal person

1:20:32

on campus.

1:20:35

Yeah. And get them to move in

1:20:36

and get them to kill them.

1:20:40

It's it's so fucked up in today's

1:20:40

standards.

1:20:43

You wouldn't even. Oh, my God. And the best part of the movie

1:20:45

is that one of

1:20:49

the leads is who is more is or is BNP.

1:20:53

Jim mpg Mark-paul Gosselaar mpg.

1:20:57

Do the fuck that and big baby

1:21:01

MDG mpg never loses

1:21:06

so god still looks amazing.

1:21:09

Fuck I love Mark-paul Gosselaar.

1:21:12

He does look good. I love Mark Fall guy.

1:21:12

What about Mario Lopez?

1:21:15

I mean, that dude looks exactly the same. Oh yeah. Okay.

1:21:18

Yeah. Whatever he does, whatever he's got,

1:21:18

whatever he's got going on.

1:21:21

They all had great careers after,

1:21:21

didn't they?

1:21:24

Oh, man I followed Mark-paul Gosselaar.

1:21:27

He did a show called Hyperion Bay on the

1:21:27

WB that I watched

1:21:30

just in full support of just I'm following

1:21:30

Mark-paul Gosselaar wherever he goes.

1:21:34

Did you watch Saved by the Bell

1:21:34

The College years?

1:21:36

I sure did. Fucking love. I even saw the college.

1:21:39

I love the Oh,

1:21:39

the movie where they got married.

1:21:42

You had watched the movie. They got married. It's made for TV. Yeah, about to watch it.

1:21:45

I'm about to do what I might do.

1:21:48

What they do it. Dead man on campus.

1:21:48

They go watch them. They

1:21:51

love you, Dad.

1:21:53

The muscles look like they're down.

1:21:56

Yeah. Oh, God.

1:21:58

Does it. Is that what? At what point? Just, like, beat the shit out of it.

1:22:00

Mark Bowling? Yeah. Steady.

1:22:02

Yeah, That's like, actually,

1:22:02

Yeah, like beats hip up.

1:22:06

You're like, What the fuck? He literally, he's.

1:22:08

He's like, Come here. And. And he's like, It's me.

1:22:11

Fossils, the toilet cleaning clown.

1:22:15

And for your next one, I also want

1:22:15

to call out that it is a debut film.

1:22:20

Oh, another debut. Peter Berg from Peter Berg.

1:22:24

So this would be a great

1:22:24

follow up to Dead Man on campus.

1:22:28

And that would be Peter

1:22:28

Berg's very bad things.

1:22:32

Yes, Go Cameron Diaz performance.

1:22:36

I was going to say, I'm actually

1:22:36

going to ask we didn't mention her

1:22:39

in the funniest movies episode. So what do you think of her in it?

1:22:41

I like her.

1:22:43

I think she's I think she's the best

1:22:43

she's ever been in her career.

1:22:46

She goes, Did you do the cocaine?

1:22:48

Did they Honey, Honey, what did you call

1:22:48

that?

1:22:51

The Goodyear for her? She was in another really good comedy

1:22:53

this year.

1:22:56

There's something about Mary, which I don't think

1:22:57

is going to make either of our list. But she she had a great year. Great 98.

1:23:01

She I like Cameron Diaz,

1:23:01

so I don't know if I but

1:23:04

but I mean, the what she does in

1:23:04

this movie was so different

1:23:07

from anything that she had done

1:23:07

previously or since then.

1:23:12

She's never played the crazy,

1:23:15

over-the-top psycho kind of character,

1:23:19

and she played it so well.

1:23:23

And just when you think that she can't

1:23:26

get any more wild, she does.

1:23:29

And it's just something

1:23:29

you don't see a lot anymore.

1:23:33

You just don't see it anymore. Just yeah,

1:23:35

just going to just we're going to make

1:23:35

something really fucked up, really

1:23:40

dark and and everyone's going to lean it.

1:23:43

But both of these movies,

1:23:43

I think, are absolutely hilarious.

1:23:48

They are. That's a great double feature,

1:23:48

Great dark comedy, double feature.

1:23:51

I like it. I support it. I do. Thank you. Real quick about Cameron Diaz.

1:23:56

This has nothing to do with 1998,

1:23:56

nothing to do with anything.

1:23:58

I just don't know if you ever heard this.

1:23:58

I just learned this myself.

1:24:01

Stay with me. Oh, boy Cameron

1:24:02

Diaz was in the next year in 1999.

1:24:06

It was in a movie, Being John Malkovich.

1:24:06

That movie is directed by.

1:24:09

Oh, yeah, Directed by Spike Jones. Right.

1:24:11

His first movie Jump Ahead Four Years.

1:24:14

And Spike Jones's wife, Sofia Coppola,

1:24:14

makes a movie called Lost in Translation,

1:24:20

in which Ana Faris is apparently playing.

1:24:23

Cameron Diaz I did not know that too.

1:24:26

That's based on

1:24:26

but she based that very heavily on

1:24:29

like this is the way

1:24:29

it was kind of going between

1:24:32

because Giovanni Ribisi in Lost in

1:24:32

Translation is based on Spike Jones.

1:24:36

That's what makes the movie so weird. It's that they're like,

1:24:38

because they got divorced,

1:24:38

like right after the movie came out.

1:24:41

So it's all very odd. So that's that's a kind of a funny thing

1:24:42

to keep in play.

1:24:46

But then why this got brought up recently

1:24:46

is because Rooney Mara in the movie

1:24:52

her is based on Sofia Coppola

1:24:55

in hers, of course,

1:24:55

directed by Spike Jones.

1:24:58

So we have this whole weird connection

1:24:58

of like

1:25:02

because Sofia Coppola, who has a movie

1:25:02

coming out Priscilla very shortly, was

1:25:07

is on the press tour and basically said,

1:25:07

Yeah, I've no interest in seeing her.

1:25:10

I don't want to see Mara playing me.

1:25:13

And that's when it clicked for me

1:25:13

and I went, Wait a minute.

1:25:15

Oh, is that what's going on there? I always knew the Giovanni

1:25:17

Ribisi thing and Lost in translation.

1:25:20

But then when I some digging, I'm like,

1:25:20

Oh, on affairs,

1:25:23

the way she's being all ditzy

1:25:23

and lost in translation and Flaherty,

1:25:27

that was deliberately based on Cameron

1:25:27

Diaz and like the way

1:25:31

she was behaving with Spike Jones

1:25:31

on the set of Being John Malkovich.

1:25:34

Wow, this is weird.

1:25:36

Yeah, Isn't it weird?

1:25:36

Fucking Hollywood, man.

1:25:38

That's crazy stuff, man. Hot Hollywood,

1:25:40

Hollyweird, man. Hollyweird.

1:25:43

So you don't have any You didn't know about any of that? I just learned about all of that.

1:25:47

Go watch both movies, which I plan to do.

1:25:49

I haven't seen both in a while. I'll have a new lens

1:25:50

when I watch them anyway.

1:25:53

Tangent City Back on track.

1:25:55

Your number four double feature.

1:25:57

My number four also a comedy. The only comedy on my list,

1:25:59

which we referenced earlier,

1:26:02

and that is The Big Lebowski,

1:26:02

directed by Joel and Ethan Coen.

1:26:06

Great. This is my number four. Perfect. It's my number three.

1:26:09

Really? Oh, shit. That's so cool.

1:26:11

We actually have some crossover.

1:26:13

Okay, so you were joking

1:26:13

when you were like, It's this year.

1:26:15

I didn't know. Oh, back to back. I love it.

1:26:17

So your number three? My number four?

1:26:20

Yeah. Just love this movie. A very odd movie.

1:26:23

And in the way it was perceived

1:26:23

when it was released because it

1:26:27

no one liked it. It bombed. I mean, Fargo was like

1:26:28

the Coens were these weird little guys

1:26:32

who like blood samples, crazy

1:26:32

like Miller's Crossing, Barton Fink,

1:26:35

Hudsucker Proxy,

1:26:35

What is this? And they do Fargo.

1:26:38

And that went them

1:26:38

an Oscar went Frances McDormand An Oscar.

1:26:41

I don't think I've ever met a single person in my life

1:26:42

who hates that movie or dislikes it.

1:26:46

It's just it's Fargo.

1:26:46

Like it's a great 90 minute.

1:26:49

It's amazing. The movie the next year, the Shaggy Dog,

1:26:50

like the long goodbye

1:26:54

type thing that doesn't you're like,

1:26:54

Oh, what is this, like a the loose?

1:26:59

It's neo noir, like this

1:26:59

crazy, Vietnam obsessed sidekick.

1:27:03

And it was not a movie that was well liked

1:27:03

when people saw the first time.

1:27:07

I didn't get it at all, I rented it.

1:27:07

I didn't see there.

1:27:09

I did not get it at all in 1998

1:27:09

and then just went back over and over.

1:27:13

Now one of my favorite comedies. Yeah, Burn after reading Barely

1:27:15

Edge It Out on the funniest movies

1:27:19

we've ever seen list

1:27:19

because I had to have a Coen brothers.

1:27:22

But yeah, Big Lebowski.

1:27:22

Come on, forget it.

1:27:24

I remember it took me a while to see it

1:27:24

because I remember when it came out

1:27:29

and no one was talking about it,

1:27:29

but then I remember

1:27:32

it started developing this

1:27:32

cult status. Yes.

1:27:35

Like a few years later. And I liked it from the first time

1:27:37

I watched it.

1:27:40

But it has become a movie that every time

1:27:43

I've watched it

1:27:43

since, it gets better with every viewing.

1:27:46

Mm hmm. There's just some filmmaking stuff

1:27:47

that's going on in this movie

1:27:50

that is just masterful. The ode to, like, noir.

1:27:53

The just some of just the weirdness

1:27:53

that the Coen brothers do.

1:27:59

It's just so, like, lived in

1:27:59

and it's like little things

1:28:03

that aren't even funny

1:28:03

that end up becoming the funniest things.

1:28:07

That's what makes it so great.

1:28:07

Yeah. Like, yeah, things that.

1:28:10

How about a few more old sodas? Gary Like, yeah,

1:28:11

it's all the little stuff.

1:28:14

That's what you just latch onto.

1:28:16

There's of course, the big stuff,

1:28:16

but be careful.

1:28:18

This is a beverage here. But there's just, yeah, a cast

1:28:19

that's like, just impeccable.

1:28:23

I mean, even Ben Gazzara,

1:28:23

I'm sure haunt Ben Gazzara,

1:28:27

who was also in Spanish prisoner another

1:28:27

no to that but got a Peter

1:28:31

Stormare is also I mean they're all

1:28:31

just great but it's John Goodman who

1:28:35

if the movie had been better received

1:28:35

he would have been nominated for an Oscar.

1:28:39

And but this is what I mean,

1:28:39

like when you look at the Oscar nominees

1:28:42

for best supporting actor,

1:28:42

you're like, God, that's really stuffy.

1:28:45

Like you couldn't slip in John

1:28:45

Goodman, Like,

1:28:47

you couldn't have a little fucking fun

1:28:47

here.

1:28:49

Jesus. Listen,

1:28:49

have you ever heard of Vietnam?

1:28:52

Walter Sobchak is one of my favorite movie

1:28:52

characters all time.

1:28:57

What he does with this role

1:28:57

is it's so good

1:29:01

that last line

1:29:01

that that Jeff Bridges has from

1:29:04

where is where he spills Danny's ashes

1:29:08

and the men who fought bravely

1:29:08

in Vietnam, Jeff

1:29:12

Bridges goes, he goes, Why is everything

1:29:12

such a fucking catastrophe?

1:29:15

You, man.

1:29:18

But I mean, you spread the ashes. Oh, yeah.

1:29:22

It's like,

1:29:22

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. It.

1:29:25

And he's just like, Come on, dude. It's like you fell in

1:29:27

because that's the one breast spit in the

1:29:31

in the his performance where he sort of

1:29:34

shows a vulnerable side to him

1:29:34

knowing that he's kind of a fuck up.

1:29:37

And he based that character on the famous

1:29:37

screenwriter slash director John Milius.

1:29:44

Did you know that? Oh, no. He wrote.

1:29:46

Yeah, he wrote like CONAN the Barbarian.

1:29:49

He wrote Apocalypse

1:29:49

Now, wrote and directed

1:29:51

Red Dawn, a real hell of a character.

1:29:54

A lot of script rewrites. He wrote the Indianapolis monologue

1:29:55

in Jaws, so he would go like doctor up.

1:30:00

Yeah, he would doctor stuff up like that

1:30:00

big guy in, like, sixties and seventies.

1:30:04

Very, very intense. But that's who he based it

1:30:06

on. God, I love that movie.