0:04

We have freedom of expression, but if the

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government then can punish you by shutting down

0:08

your bank accounts without even charging you the

0:11

crime, they have the ultimate

0:13

power to turn us into slaves. Hello

0:16

there, you crazy Bitcoiners. How are you

0:18

all doing? How was your weekend? You

0:20

have a good time? Bitcoin is looking

0:22

pretty good right now, looking pretty frothy.

0:24

I think we're heading into a massive

0:26

year. So this

0:29

week I'm heading off to Africa for my first time

0:31

ever. I'm going to be

0:33

meeting Danny in Ghana on Tuesday. We're going to

0:35

be spending some time at the Bitcoin conference there, and

0:37

then we're off to make a film. We're going to

0:39

be looking at how Bitcoin is used in Africa, but

0:41

also how money works in Africa. First

0:44

time in the continent, very excited to get out

0:46

there, very excited to meet some of the local

0:48

Bitcoiners. Anyway, welcome to the What

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energy. I'm your

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host Peter McCormack, and today I

1:01

have another presidential candidate on

1:03

the podcast. Today, we have RFK

1:05

Jr. Now ever since RFK came

1:08

on the scene, we've been trying to make

1:10

this happen. I watched his speech at

1:12

the Bitcoin conference, a big shout out to David

1:14

Bailey for making that happen. And

1:16

he certainly has become part of this

1:18

movement that's seen Bitcoin get

1:20

on the ballot paper. It's become an important subject. Now,

1:24

RFK has split some people. I know some people

1:26

agree with him on certain things, disagree with him

1:28

on certain things. But as Vivek

1:30

said in my interview with him recently, you're

1:33

not going to agree with every candidate

1:35

on every issue. And if you do,

1:37

there's probably something wrong. Now for

1:39

single issue voters out there, the

1:41

Bitcoiners, RFK, like Vivek, is another

1:43

interesting option because he does understand

1:46

why Bitcoin is important. He does

1:48

understand the issues with debt and

1:50

money. And listen, we've been

1:52

trying to make this episode for a long time.

1:54

We've been trying to get RFK for a long

1:56

time. It's come close a couple of times. But

1:59

while we were out in... Texas we finally managed to

2:01

get the chance to sit down and talk with

2:03

him. So very happy to

2:05

have made this interview, very

2:07

happy to have the chance to sit down with

2:09

RFK, very impressive person. And

2:12

yes we get into Bitcoin but we also get

2:14

into debt, we also talk about money, we get

2:16

into the fairness doctrine. We

2:18

just didn't have long enough unfortunately, I could have sat with

2:20

him for hours, there's so many other things I would have

2:22

liked to have discussed with him but we will make that

2:24

happen again, we will make sure we sit down with RFK

2:26

again. Anyway I know you're going to love

2:29

this one but if you do have any questions about this,

2:31

any feedback, please do hit me up as

2:33

hello or whatbitcoindid.com. How

2:38

do you prefer people to refer to you

2:40

as? Bobby, RFK, Mr. Kennedy? Yeah, Robert. Robert.

2:43

Right, nice to meet you Robert. I mean we met

2:45

briefly before in Miami and

2:48

for a while we've wanted to sit down and talk

2:50

to you because I keep seeing you and meeting you

2:52

at Bitcoin events and we run a Bitcoin

2:55

podcast but there's a few other things I want to get into first.

2:59

So why are you going independent? Well

3:02

I was, you know I wanted to stay

3:04

in the Democratic Party but the party

3:07

was making rules

3:12

and procedures that made it impossible for

3:14

me to win. My

3:18

hand was kind of forced but now that I'm

3:20

out I'm happy about

3:22

it. How does that free you up on

3:24

the campaign trail? First

3:28

of all it lengthens the time of the

3:30

election because the primaries

3:34

were essentially effectively open over

3:36

by March. The

3:40

Super Tuesday primaries would have been decided

3:42

so but it also just, it

3:46

allows me to talk to much

3:48

broader constituents, constituencies,

3:51

to you know everybody

3:53

Republican, Democrat instead of

3:55

just targeting the Democratic

3:58

primary voters. to

4:00

talk to much larger groups of

4:02

people, much more diverse groups of

4:04

people. And, you know, and

4:07

it frees me to go to all the states rather

4:09

than concentrating just in the

4:12

early primary states. I

4:15

mean, those are some of the changes. But

4:17

does it free you up when you're considering

4:19

policy? I know

4:21

because I, you know, my policies are my policies

4:23

and I, you know,

4:26

we don't really poll them, you

4:28

know, I don't poll what I

4:30

think is right or

4:33

popular. I do, you know,

4:35

I'm trying to do what's right for the country.

4:37

So I always say that whoever the audience was.

4:40

All right. Look, I'm obviously a Brit, but I

4:42

come here a lot. I spent my hundredth trip

4:44

here. I love over here. I've

4:47

seen over the last 10 years since

4:49

I've become in gradually the country, again, more poor

4:51

than Port-au-Port. I

4:54

watched your announcement when you said you're running independent

4:56

and you talked about this. So

4:58

what is it that you can do to

5:00

unify the country? There's

5:04

a number of things. One is just being truthful

5:06

with people. I think part of

5:09

the polarization is

5:11

driven by this, just, you

5:14

know, this pervasive dishonesty from

5:16

the institutions that used to

5:18

be very trustworthy. The

5:21

United States government was when I

5:23

grew up, 80, I mean, when my uncle

5:26

was president, I think 85% of

5:28

Americans said they trust the United States government. People

5:30

could not imagine the government would lie to them.

5:33

In fact, the first time that people

5:35

realized that the U.S. government officials

5:38

lied was in May of 1960.

5:44

My uncle was running. And

5:48

there was

5:50

a U-2, which was a spy plane that

5:52

nobody knew about. It was a secret spy

5:54

plane. It flew so high

5:57

nobody could see it. didn't

6:00

think it could be shot down, but

6:02

the Russians had a mole in Langley

6:04

and it allowed them to shoot a

6:06

missile and shoot one down. The

6:09

pilot, his name is Gary Francis

6:11

Powers, was instructed to kill

6:15

himself. He had an

6:17

arsenic shot that he

6:20

was supposed to give himself, but

6:23

he didn't do it. The Russians

6:25

did not reveal that they had captured him,

6:27

and they accused the United States. They

6:30

showed the wreckage, this

6:32

kind of nondescript piece of machinery

6:34

and engines. And Alan Dull was

6:36

the head of the CIA to

6:38

Hawaii and Howard to deny the

6:40

whole thing. Eisenhower

6:43

reluctantly did so, and then the Russians produced

6:45

Gary Francis Powers, and they had to admit that

6:47

they had lied not only to the Russians,

6:49

but they had lied to the American people. That

6:53

was the first time in American

6:55

history when American Americans went, wow,

6:57

our government actually lies. They didn't think

6:59

that a democracy, you're

7:02

supposed to do

7:04

that. And then the Pentagon Papers came

7:06

out in 71, and then more and

7:08

more Americans

7:15

began realizing, oh, they lie to us all the

7:17

time. And then over the next 20 years,

7:23

they stopped even pretending. So now

7:25

I think 22% of Americans trust

7:27

the government, and those

7:30

people aren't paying attention, because nobody

7:32

should, because the government lies all

7:34

the time. And also the big

7:36

institutions in our country, the media

7:41

also, now people don't

7:44

trust them because they also have agendas,

7:48

which is very, very different than when I really

7:51

was growing up, where they tried to stay

7:53

neutral and tell the truth. My father

7:55

ran in a time in

7:59

16 years of prison. At the time of

8:01

similar divisions, you know, we had at

8:03

that time, we had our

8:05

cities where over 100 cities burned and

8:07

Martin Luther King was killed. We

8:12

had Black Panthers and

8:14

the Weatherman movement bombing, planting

8:16

bombs and killing people. We

8:18

had the US military shooting

8:20

people on our campuses. It

8:24

was, you know, it was similarly polarized

8:26

and the government at that time was

8:28

lying about the Vietnam War. And you

8:31

know, my father

8:33

ran at that time and he

8:35

ran with this, you know,

8:37

this agenda of just telling the truth to

8:39

people. And it worked. And the day that

8:41

he died, he won

8:44

the most rural state in our

8:46

country, which is North Dakota and

8:48

the most urban California. And

8:50

he had succeeded in uniting this

8:53

coalition of Blacks and Whites, poor

8:55

Blacks, working Glass, Whites

8:59

and, you know, Catholics

9:02

and Jews and people

9:04

from all the different

9:06

walks of life. And

9:08

he was able to do that. And it was largely by

9:10

telling the truth. The other thing that I'm doing in this

9:14

election that I've been doing for

9:16

the past six months, which to

9:18

me has been extraordinary, is just

9:20

to try to focus on the

9:22

values that we have in common

9:24

rather than the issues that keep

9:27

us apart. And

9:30

there are certain very predictable, what

9:32

we call culture war issues, guns

9:34

and abortion and, you know, immigration

9:36

issues like that, all important issues

9:38

or even

9:41

climate, all important issues.

9:43

But there are issues that are calculated

9:45

to keep people at each other's throats.

9:48

And what I do is focus on

9:50

issues that we all have in common.

9:52

And I found that that's a much,

9:54

much larger landscape. And

9:57

I tell people, you may not agree with me on

9:59

everything. But I'm going to tell you the

10:01

truth and I'm going to listen to you

10:03

and I'm not going to disrespect you for

10:06

disagreeing with me. And

10:08

you know, I found out that everybody

10:10

wants to help our veterans. Everybody wants

10:12

to make sure that their families are

10:14

taken care of. Everybody wants America to

10:17

have the best education system in the

10:19

country. Everybody

10:21

wants to end the chronic

10:23

disease epidemic that is debilitating

10:25

our children. Everybody

10:28

wants to end the corrupt merger of

10:30

state and corporate power that is strip mining

10:32

the wealth from the American people. Everybody wants

10:34

to, you know, to wind

10:37

down and unravel the warfare state

10:39

and keep America out of wars.

10:43

Everybody wants to protect the environment. If

10:46

you talk to them just about climate, you're going to get

10:48

a fight. If you

10:50

say, you know, do you want to

10:52

cut down the Appalachian Mountains in a

10:54

right now we're exploding enough. Ammonia

10:57

nitrate explodes. It's

11:00

the equivalent of a Hiroshima bomb once a

11:02

week. Below

11:05

the mountains tops off, they've

11:07

flattened the 500 biggest mountains

11:09

in Appalachia. And

11:11

we have flattened an area larger

11:13

than the state of Delaware. And

11:16

we buried 2,200 miles of rivers and streams. These

11:21

are the landscapes with so much of America

11:23

where Davy Crock and Danna Boon rum and

11:26

Nat Sartre racing and country music,

11:28

bluegrass music came out of those

11:30

landscapes. And so many of our

11:33

military heroes, you know, Sergeant York and

11:35

others came out of those landscapes. And

11:39

here we are dismantling it and destroying

11:41

it. And nobody likes it. You know,

11:43

when I, when we did the Flint,

11:46

the protests in Flint, Michigan, over the

11:48

toxic water, we

11:52

had Hell's Angels standing next to

11:54

urban blacks. And

11:56

we were at Standing Rock, which

11:58

we didn't sell the American. public as

12:00

a climate change. We said it's about protecting

12:03

a sacred place. The

12:05

same thing happened. There were Republican

12:07

businessmen there, American Indians and blacks

12:09

and everybody. Those people

12:12

can unite about that. If you say

12:14

it's just about climate change, and you're

12:16

going to

12:18

have to make sacrifices because we tell you

12:20

on this line, because this line on the

12:22

graph says it's the end of the world

12:24

at a certain

12:27

time, there's people who will just rebel

12:29

against that. I don't want to hear

12:31

it. If you tell them

12:33

we want to protect this sacred place, we

12:35

want to protect water for black children in

12:38

Detroit, nobody's going

12:40

to disagree with you. Everybody feels

12:42

passionate about it. What

12:44

I've tried to do is to

12:46

not sit around bad-mouthing President Trump

12:49

or President Biden, but

12:51

just talking to people in

12:54

a gentle way about the things they care

12:56

about, and ask them, what do

12:58

you care about? What do you love? What do

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You mentioned the media. How has the

15:18

media treated you since you've gone

15:21

independent? Has anything changed? Well

15:24

nothing's changed. I would say,

15:26

you know what, I would

15:28

say since my poll numbers

15:30

started rising, I'm

15:34

getting more sort

15:36

of, I'd say, I

15:39

would say fair treatment

15:42

from the mainstream media.

15:45

I would say that I went for probably

15:48

at least half

15:50

a decade without getting, I

15:52

don't think I got a single good

15:54

article or notice and I'm not complaining.

15:57

I'm just stating facts.

16:00

But I had maybe 10,000 news

16:02

hits during that period. And

16:07

all of them were what

16:10

I would characterize as

16:12

defamatory at some level or another.

16:15

And again, I'm not complaining. I'm just stating

16:17

facts. And

16:20

right now, I've been

16:24

given interviews. My wife was allowed

16:26

to go on CNN in an

16:29

unedited interview. And that never

16:31

has happened. I had one

16:33

appearance on CNN for about five

16:36

minutes with Michael Smirkhanish. And

16:39

I understood he got in trouble for it. And

16:41

I've never had one on MSNBC. But

16:45

more and more, we're getting, I'd say,

16:50

much para-treatment from the media. And

16:52

it has to do mainly with

16:54

the rise in my polling, I

16:56

think. I see two Americas.

16:59

I see the Americas when I'm here. Like I said, this

17:01

is about my hundredth time here. I've been to pretty

17:03

much half the states, traveled a lot. I've

17:05

interviewed people all over the country. And my experience

17:08

is it's actually a very united country on the

17:10

ground. When you go to bars, when you go

17:12

to clubs, when we're out meeting people,

17:15

Democrats, Republicans, they all generally get on

17:17

and agree on the same things. Then

17:20

what we see is the weaponized

17:22

media weaponizing the division for

17:24

whatever incentive it is, whether it's the support of

17:26

political party or their own agenda. Do

17:29

you feel like America lost something when it

17:31

lost the fairness doctrine? Yeah.

17:35

I mean, I think that was a big part of

17:37

it. The fairness

17:39

doctrine was a doctrine

17:42

that was enshrined in the

17:44

Communications Act in 1928

17:48

when radio, commercial radio,

17:51

first entered the CNN. There

17:54

was a historically, the

17:57

framers of the government.

18:01

understood that if

18:03

you controlled the media,

18:07

that it was critical to have a well-educated

18:09

public. In fact, there was a debate early

18:11

on in our constitutional

18:15

convention between Hamilton and Adams

18:17

on the one hand and

18:20

Madison and Jefferson. Hamilton

18:23

and Adams wanted to restrict

18:27

the franchise, in other words, who could vote

18:29

to land and

18:31

property owners. It

18:34

wasn't because they were snobs or they didn't believe

18:36

in democracy, but it was because

18:39

they believed an uneducated

18:41

class would

18:43

be easily seduced by a tyrant

18:46

or a demagogue to give up the

18:49

rights that had been to relinquish the rights

18:51

that had been, you know,

18:53

one with such bloodshed and

18:55

cause during the revolution. They

18:57

thought uneducated people are easily

19:00

fooled and fall into the seduction

19:02

of demagogues. And

19:05

Hamilton and Madison and Jefferson agreed with

19:14

them, but they said everybody should get

19:16

the franchise. By that they meant white

19:19

men, but everybody, whether you

19:21

own land or not, but

19:23

they agreed with it, but they said the

19:26

remedy for that is

19:28

not to deprive people of their

19:30

right to vote, but rather to

19:32

forcibly educate them. So the United

19:35

States became the first country that

19:37

had mandatory public education and it

19:39

was because they

19:41

believed that in order to maintain

19:43

our democracy, you needed a well-informed

19:45

public. Jefferson

19:47

has on his gravestone, founder of

19:50

the University of Virginia, they founded

19:53

colleges, you know, all

19:55

these land colleges. They

19:57

funded them by giving away land and allowing. in

22:00

our country. So when I was a kid,

22:02

you had people like Walter Cronkite on television,

22:04

who was the most protested man in America.

22:07

The news divisions were money losers for

22:10

every network. But they

22:12

knew that they had to put money

22:14

in them to keep their license. They

22:16

had to be a credible news network,

22:19

you know, organization, and they they made

22:21

them off limits. They brought in people

22:23

of impeccable integrity to run them. The

22:26

being counted in the network didn't dare.

22:29

I even talked to them. They were,

22:31

you know, they were disdainful of anybody

22:33

who, you know, it was about advertising

22:35

money, they were expected to lose money

22:37

every year. But it was the condition

22:39

for them owning that license. And

22:42

in 1980, Ronald Reagan got elected

22:45

with the help

22:47

of the Hollywood studios

22:49

who wanted to consolidate

22:51

control over the news

22:55

division over the television networks.

22:58

And the Christian right, which

23:01

was at that point, a lot of these

23:03

Christian pastors were starting television

23:05

networks. And the

23:07

television network, part of the

23:09

fairness doctrine is they had to give equal time

23:11

to people of different points of view. So there

23:13

was a famous case, the red lion

23:15

case, where people

23:18

with, you know, I think

23:20

it was the American Long Council sued

23:25

NBC or one of the networks because

23:27

they were they were putting advertisements for

23:29

Mustang, which was a big gas guzzling

23:32

car on and they said, Well, now

23:34

you have to give us equal time

23:36

because we have asthma. And that's giving

23:38

us asthma attacks. And the Supreme Court

23:40

said, Yeah, you do. Oh, they had

23:42

to give equal time to

23:44

their opponents, you know, different points of view.

23:47

And, and

23:49

when the Christian

23:51

right, these

23:53

Christian pastors who ran networks, they did not

23:55

want to give equal time to, you know,

23:57

atheists or Satan or the way they were.

24:00

understandably. So they

24:03

Reagan appointed FCC Commissioner

24:05

who basically throughout the fairness

24:08

doctrine he said we don't

24:10

care what you do anymore.

24:12

There was this immediate consolidation

24:14

in the press and

24:16

the press the the the bean

24:18

counters in each of the networks

24:20

said to the to

24:22

the news division view we don't you don't have

24:24

to do this you can put entertainment you can

24:26

put blood sports on anything you want. People

24:30

like Walter Cronkite were replaced by

24:32

you know by mercenaries like Anderson

24:34

Cooper and Jake Tapper who just

24:38

promote pharmaceutical products for their

24:40

advertisers and and

24:42

you know promote the war machine

24:44

and all of the you know the

24:46

orthodoxies and they don't question orthodoxies and

24:49

and then you

24:51

had big consolidation where today

24:54

every new virtually every news

24:58

every network in this

25:00

country almost all the

25:02

radio stations all of the newspapers all

25:04

of the most of

25:07

the billboard owners and all

25:09

of the big internet content providers are

25:12

controlled by five companies so there's five

25:14

guys who are deciding what you hear

25:16

on the news and you know

25:20

ultimately the owners of those networks are

25:22

Black Rock State Street in Vanguard and

25:25

of course you know what do they want

25:27

to do they want to keep us all

25:30

at each other's throats because when the king

25:32

and queen look over the balustrades of the

25:34

castle and they see all their subjects fighting

25:36

each other they go back to the banquet

25:38

all night pop champagne courts because they know

25:40

nobody's coming over the wall you know to

25:43

get to take it all back and

25:47

you know what and it's a

25:49

strategy they they keep us fighting each other

25:51

and they know it's like the jangling of

25:53

the keys over here look

25:55

at this everybody while you're robbing the bank over

25:57

here and you know do Do

26:00

you think a new fairness doctrine would be good? I

26:04

think that would be great, but it's a

26:07

heavy lift. And also, it's a different media

26:09

environment today because you have cable news, which

26:11

is not a public airwave. And

26:15

so it would be very complex about how

26:17

you regulate it. But I do think that

26:19

the networks, ABC,

26:22

NBC, and CBS, the ones that are

26:24

actually using the airwaves, that

26:28

their fairness doctrine ought to apply to them. So

26:31

you say that the jangling the keys while they rob

26:33

you here. The people who listen to my show, I mean, it

26:36

is a Bitcoin show, but it's more than that.

26:38

It's a money show. It's macroeconomics. It's privacy. These

26:40

are all the things people care about. One of

26:42

the hot topics right now is inflation,

26:46

national debt. We travel

26:48

a lot with this. We've been to Lebanon,

26:50

Argentina, Venezuela. We've been to all the places

26:53

that experience very high inflation. Your

26:56

central bank and your government are doing some of the things

26:59

that those countries have done. And so

27:01

whilst inflation has come back down, national

27:04

debt's increasing. You're facing recessionary

27:06

pressures. How do you deal

27:08

with this behemoth of debt that's

27:11

been created? I mean, you

27:13

have to cut the debt, which means

27:15

cutting the military in basically in half.

27:18

We've got to cut the military down to $500

27:20

billion a year. And then we've got to cut

27:22

our health care cause, which is the largest cause,

27:25

which I'm going to do by ending the chronic

27:27

disease epidemic. When I

27:29

was a kid, 6% of medical costs went for

27:31

chronic disease today. 90%, 93% of Medicare is chronic

27:33

disease. It's

27:36

4.3 trillion the total medical

27:38

cost. And almost

27:41

4 trillion of that is

27:43

chronic disease. And we

27:46

now have this epidemic,

27:48

unlike any other country in the world. We

27:52

had the highest body count during

27:54

COVID. We had 16% of

27:57

the world. COVID

28:00

deaths here, and we

28:03

only have 4.2% of the world's population. And

28:07

a lot of that was because we have the

28:09

highest chronic disease burden of any country in the

28:11

world. CDC

28:13

said the average person who died from

28:15

COVID in America had 3.8 chronic diseases.

28:19

So they had obesity, they had asthma,

28:22

they had diabetes, and something else. And

28:28

we need to end that just

28:30

to get our medical costs down. We have

28:32

the... We pay more per

28:34

capita, two

28:37

or three or four times more than

28:39

European countries. In our country,

28:41

we have the worst health outcomes. So

28:43

I think we're 79th in the world

28:46

in health outcomes. We're behind Mongolia, Nicaragua,

28:48

Cuba, Costa Rica. And

28:51

it's all because of chronic disease. We

28:54

have smart doctors here. We have great

28:56

access to medical care. But

28:59

we have this terrible chronic disease epidemic.

29:01

We need to get rid of it

29:03

and it's debilitating on a whole generation

29:05

of kids. When I

29:08

was a kid, one in 10,000 people

29:11

in my generation, 69-year-old men, had

29:13

autism today, one in 34. Those

29:16

are kids who are never going to have

29:18

a job. They're never going to pay taxes.

29:21

I'm talking about full-blown autism. They're

29:24

never going to write a poem. They're never

29:26

going to play baseball. They're never

29:28

going to go out on a

29:30

date. They're not going to serve

29:33

in our military. And

29:36

they become this huge economic drag

29:38

for their families, their careers, et

29:40

cetera. And

29:44

the cost of autism alone by 2030, according

29:47

to a recent study by

29:49

Weiler and Blackstone, is

29:53

going to be a trillion dollars a year just for that.

29:56

We need to end that and we can do it and we

29:58

can do it very, very quick. You've

30:01

referred a few times now to when you were a kid. I

30:04

don't know America from when you were a kid. I only know it

30:06

from the last 20 years when I've been coming out. I still love

30:08

the place, but how has

30:10

the country lost its way so much? How

30:14

did it lose its way? Yeah, so

30:16

many issues. You know, three

30:18

days before my uncle took the oath of

30:20

office, President

30:22

Eisenhower gave what today we should

30:25

look at as the most important

30:27

speech in American history. We warned

30:29

Americans against the emergence

30:31

of a military industrial complex that

30:33

would transform America into an imperium

30:35

abroad and a national security state

30:37

at home. And it would bankrupt

30:39

the American middle class with

30:43

expenses. And you know, my uncle

30:45

spent a thousand days in office

30:48

at war with his own military

30:50

industrial complex, keeping the country

30:52

out of war. We didn't send a single

30:55

combat troop abroad to die during

30:57

his presidency. And you know, he ordered

30:59

all 16,000 advisers home

31:03

from Vietnam 30 days

31:05

before he was murdered. And

31:08

a week after that, President Johnson, the incoming

31:10

president, remanded that order and sent 250,000 troops

31:12

over. And

31:16

Nixon then sent 50,000, 500,000 over, and

31:18

56,000 never came back. And

31:23

we killed a million of them. My cousin was

31:25

killed there, George Skake, although

31:27

my father ran against the

31:29

war in So five

31:31

years later, he was killed, you

31:33

know, when he won the Democratic primary. Martin

31:37

Luther King had become a peace activist earlier

31:41

that year. And he was killed two months

31:43

before my father. And

31:46

those traumas and

31:48

plus the Vietnam War itself and

31:51

9-11 and COVID, each one of those

31:54

traumas pushed us down

31:56

that road about which Eisenhower warned

31:58

us, which is turning America into a

32:00

military in Tashmap destroying

32:02

our democracy. And

32:05

today, you know, we're living in the world

32:07

that he warned us about, which is our

32:09

democracy has become like a Hollywood stage set,

32:12

you know, it's a

32:14

kabuki theater of democracy where

32:16

people pretend to go through

32:18

an electoral process that doesn't really

32:20

give us any more choice than

32:22

the Soviet Union's electoral process where

32:24

the party would pick the candidates

32:26

and tell you who to vote

32:29

for. And, you know, and, you

32:31

know, there is nobody in this

32:33

country that I talk to believes

32:35

that their voices

32:37

are audible in Washington, D.C. And,

32:40

you know, and we've seen this

32:43

corrupt merger of state and corporate

32:45

power that's led by the military

32:47

industrial complex now

32:50

involves the, you know,

32:52

the oil industry, the

32:54

pharmaceutical industry. In fact,

32:56

when Eisenhower issued that warning,

32:59

everybody remembers the paragraph in which

33:01

he described the emergence of the

33:04

military industrial complex, but the next

33:06

paragraph he says, and

33:08

part of that is

33:11

the federal scientific bureaucracy

33:13

that will make science

33:15

the slave to industry,

33:17

you know, the mercantile ambitions of

33:21

the industry and will

33:23

pervert science, make it a tool

33:25

for control. We've seen

33:27

all that happen. And, you know,

33:30

lastly with COVID, and,

33:33

you know, I think it was the predictable outcome

33:36

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33:39

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36:08

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36:10

is why there's such big proponents of

36:12

Bitcoin because it's an open permissionless, transparent

36:15

form of money, which cannot be

36:18

debased. I know you've covered it

36:20

before, but and

36:22

you're now at a Bitcoin event.

36:25

But what does Bitcoin actually mean

36:27

to you? Well, you know, I've

36:29

told this story before that I had no,

36:31

you know, I was not really curious about

36:33

Bitcoin. My kids talked about it all the

36:36

time. My kids are very entrepreneurial and very

36:38

curious. And they were, you know, was cutting

36:40

edge for them that, you know, this is

36:42

the future. I didn't

36:45

pay any attention into the trucker strike in

36:47

Ottawa when I saw the Canadian government go

36:49

in and and shut down

36:52

all the truckers bank accounts. These were people who

36:55

are never convicted of a crime, never charged with

36:57

a crime, but they use the Canadian government

36:59

use AI facial recognition and

37:02

surveillance technologies to identify the participants

37:05

in a protest that was peaceful.

37:07

That was like Woodstock. It was

37:10

it was like, you know, they were exercising

37:12

a right that we all assume that we

37:14

have, which is the right to petition to

37:18

assemble. And they were their bank

37:20

accounts were shut and they couldn't

37:23

pay their mortgages. They couldn't pay

37:25

their the gas, the petroleum

37:27

for their their the diesel for

37:29

their trucks. They couldn't leave. It

37:32

couldn't buy food for their children. You

37:35

know, I had a friend who was one of

37:37

those truckers who

37:40

was threatened with with jail because he

37:42

couldn't pay the court ordered alimony. So

37:45

I recognize

37:47

at that point that that

37:50

transactional freedom was important as

37:52

freedom of expression, because we

37:56

have freedom of expression. But if the government

37:58

then can punish you by your shutting down

38:00

your bank accounts without even charging

38:03

you with a crime. They have

38:05

the ultimate power to turn us into

38:07

slaves. And they shut down your food

38:09

supply. They throw you out of your

38:11

home, they starve

38:14

your children. If you say

38:16

something they don't like, that's

38:18

the end. And every power

38:20

that government takes, the

38:23

rule is everybody, it will

38:25

ultimately be abused to the

38:28

maximum extent, feasible. And

38:32

the other rule is that nobody

38:34

ever complied their way out of

38:36

totalitarianism. And

38:39

Bitcoin to me, I started

38:43

looking at that and saying

38:45

here is a transactional freedom

38:47

is critical. And

38:50

Bitcoin is the answer to

38:52

that because nobody controls it.

38:56

It's this incredibly elegant solution

38:59

that gives us transactional freedom

39:01

that allows you to and

39:03

freedom all over the world.

39:07

You can transact in a place that you

39:09

know, I have a friend in Gaza who

39:11

I was trying to send money to recently,

39:14

and can't leave, you know, and is

39:16

starving. And I was trying to

39:18

send money and couldn't. There's no

39:21

PayPal. There's

39:23

no Venmo there. There is no bank

39:25

accounts. And you know, the one way

39:27

you could do it was through digital

39:29

currency. Because you can do it through

39:32

an app. So policy

39:34

wise, you would defend the right

39:36

to own Bitcoin? Oh, yeah, you

39:38

would. They should own it, you

39:40

know, self custody wallets, self custody

39:42

wallets, self custody nodes, you know,

39:44

and people. Yeah, you

39:46

know, I'm from freedom. Oh, and,

39:49

you know, Bitcoin

39:52

is that is, you know, for

39:54

transactional freedom, that's the most elegant

39:56

solution. All right, a couple more questions

39:58

before we finish up. A

40:01

couple of another issue that's really important that people listen to

40:03

this that they'd love to know your opinion on if you

40:05

Move to become president There's

40:07

three specific people that People

40:11

have an interest in presidents Opinions

40:14

on and whether they were part of

40:16

them is Julian Assange who I've interviewed

40:18

his brother father and wife Edward

40:22

Snowden and some of the Russell brick. I

40:24

don't know if you know him Have

40:26

you expressed your feelings on what you would do

40:28

with regards to these? Yeah I'm gonna pardon a

40:31

saunge and Snowden on day one.

40:33

Mm-hmm. I Am

40:36

going to very carefully Look

40:41

at Ross Albrecht's case. Okay, and

40:45

if I determine that Ross

40:47

Albrecht Was

40:49

that his sentence which seemed to be

40:52

a very punitive

40:54

sentence That

40:56

sentence was not appropriate for

40:59

the crime that he committed

41:01

was instead a

41:06

Signal to To

41:09

Bitcoin or to you know Cryptocurrencies

41:11

and I will pardon him as well and

41:14

I will make that determination within weeks of

41:16

getting elected Fantastic. Okay final question before we

41:18

go and I appreciate you Tom and I

41:20

know how busy you are You

41:24

mentioned your both your father and your uncle

41:26

a few times in this interview I know

41:28

it's difficult to answer for people, but it's

41:30

I would still be interested. What do you

41:32

think they would make of America today? And

41:37

if they were running today, what do you think

41:39

would be the issues they would focus on? I

41:41

mean, I think they you know, I I don't

41:43

like to speak to them because in one way

41:47

You know, they belong to the ages now

41:49

and they belong to the country So,

41:51

you know But

41:54

you know, I know I you

41:56

know, of course I knew both of them well and

41:58

I you know the study their lives and their

42:01

concerns. And I know that public

42:03

health, that the chronic disease epidemic

42:05

would be really

42:09

disturbing to them. I think the warfare

42:11

of the state would be very, very

42:13

disturbing to them. And

42:16

I think the

42:19

polarization that's happening in this country would

42:22

disturb them very deeply. Do

42:24

you have any thoughts on CBGCs? Is that something you

42:26

would stop listening? I don't...

42:30

CBDC, I'm

42:32

wary about central

42:34

bank digital currencies because of,

42:36

you know, it seems like

42:39

the first step in

42:43

taking people's Bitcoins, right?

42:46

And taking them away and making

42:48

it so that, so

42:51

that, you know, and taking away your

42:53

sovereignty over your wallet, your

42:55

note, et cetera. And,

42:58

you know, and it also is, if that's

43:01

all we got, you

43:05

know, listen, you can look

43:07

at another set of central bank currency that we already

43:09

have. It's

43:11

called cash. And cash,

43:14

when you spend it, is anonymous.

43:17

Your transactions are private. And

43:21

the government, you

43:23

know, doesn't know about it. And that's freedom.

43:27

You know, you don't want the government to know, you

43:29

know, when you're buying, you know, let's say, do

43:32

you want the government to know that you bought

43:35

a beer at seven o'clock this morning, right? Or,

43:40

you know, if you bought pornography, or

43:42

if you bought cigarettes or whatever. Or

43:44

I made a donation to a political

43:46

candidate. Or you made a donation. That's

43:48

not nobody's business, right? It's not the

43:51

government's business. And there are people

43:53

in the government who can use that

43:56

kind of information against you. And,

43:59

you know, you can't, you know, can see why central

44:01

bank digital currencies would be attractive

44:03

to technocrats

44:07

and to totalitarians because

44:09

it gives you it gives

44:11

them perfect knowledge

44:13

of everything you do. Every transaction you

44:16

make can be it

44:19

can be my it can be

44:21

taxed. It can be kept

44:23

track of everything

44:27

you make. And they banks can make money

44:29

on the friction from every transaction that you

44:31

make. Nothing is

44:33

invisible to them. And that

44:35

takes away a lot of our

44:37

freedom and you know, ultimately with

44:39

central bank digital currencies, they can

44:41

be programmable. So that if your

44:43

social credit score drops, if you're

44:45

you know, if you're out during

44:47

a COVID

44:49

mandatory mass day and you have

44:51

your mask hanging below your nose,

44:53

and you know, a facial recognition

44:55

system says, Hey, he's breaking the

44:57

rules. He's too close to his

44:59

girlfriend. He's supposed to be six

45:01

feet. They then deduct points

45:03

from your social credit score when you go

45:06

below a certain amount. They

45:08

do what they do in China with programmable currencies

45:10

when they they

45:13

they make it so that your money won't

45:15

work anymore. I mean, in China, they don't

45:17

have credit cards now they have just you

45:19

pay with your face. Yeah, scary. Right.

45:22

Scary. So they they

45:24

can say, Okay, you your

45:26

face won't work on a cash

45:28

register, except within a grocery

45:30

store of a certain radius of your house,

45:32

and they can completely you're a slave at

45:35

that point. But also, with

45:37

the advent of all these AI technologies now,

45:39

you know, and the

45:42

internet of things, consider

45:44

what they'll be able to do, they'll be

45:46

able to shut

45:49

off your car, you know, while you're driving

45:51

it if they want. Oh,

45:53

they'll be able to, they'll be

45:55

able to shut off your water supply. You sound

45:57

more than wary. It feels like you've connected. all

46:00

those bots and you get it. Yeah, that keeps me up

46:02

at night. Well, listen, thank you for your time because I

46:04

know how busy you are. As I said, is there anything

46:06

you want to say to the audience before we leave? I

46:08

mean, I could talk for two hours.

46:10

I would say one thing, I'd say kennedy24.com.

46:14

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46:18

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46:20

know, join the Army. We're

46:23

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46:25

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46:27

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46:43

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46:45

solution, contact us. All right, well, listen,

46:48

all the best. Thanks for your time. If you ever do

46:50

have two hours, we'll take it, but otherwise all the best.

46:52

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank

46:55

you. All

46:58

right, how good was that? Did you enjoy that? As

47:00

I said in the intro, I would

47:03

have loved to have had more time with him. Same

47:05

with Vivek, these kind of people, I'd love to get

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two hours with him, but my stock isn't big enough

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yet. I'm no Joe Rogan. I can't get them

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to fly to me. I can't get these two hour interviews with

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these people yet. So look, we take what we can get. If

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it's 40 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour in a side

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room, we will fly out, we will get these people.

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We will talk to them when we can. And hopefully

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as Bitcoin continues to rise, then

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our show stock will rise and we'll maybe

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get longer interviews with these people. But listen,

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it was firstly super surreal in one day

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to get to interview two presidential candidates. I set

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this podcast up, it's kind of a hobby about

47:36

six years ago. So to be getting the chance

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to sit down with a Kennedy, to get to

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the chance to sit down with these presidential candidates,

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it's super surreal, but we do our best. And

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I hope you enjoyed the interview. I hope I

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got enough good questions in for you, but I

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will want your feedback always. Please do send me

47:50

your feedback. It's helloatwhatbitcoindid.com. Me

47:53

and Danny do always take feedback seriously. We listen to it all. Even

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when it's contradictory, when there's people writing to us and saying,

47:58

you were terrible, I hated that. interview should have asked these

48:00

questions or you were brilliant we try and weigh the whole

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thing up we try and keep everyone happy we try and

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get the good questions out there with the good guests anyway

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as I said in the intro I am heading out

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to Ghana in two days gonna be heading to the

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Bitcoin conference there and then we're off to make another

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film other film that we shot in Lebanon is in

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the third round of edit so that should be out

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soon Chico our conferences in planning

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real Bedford at top of the league men's

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and ladies there's a lot of Bitcoin stuff

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happening from out here in Bedford listen

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I love you all as I

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said please do send me feedback any Bitcoin is

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going to be out in Ghana this week can't

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wait to see you alright

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you