Graham interviews my mom, Leslie. Then, we talk about our interviews, job stability in the gig economy, and John Wayne Gacy.

Editor's Note: So, the audio in second half of the episode is off (Graham reacts quickly/talks over me or I respond slowly, either perspective). Sorry about that; learning how file transfers and editing work through mistakes. Or maybe Graham will talk over me from now on, who knows.

Songs used:

"Time Today" by Kero Kero Bonito
"Skills" by Gang Starr
"John Wayne Gacy, Jr." by Sufjan Stevens

They are not ours, and we're not making any money off of this so please don't sue, thank you.