0:23

Hello, Lyra, Yes,

0:26

Josh.

0:27

I have some sort of bad news.

0:29

Are you sitting Are you sitting down always?

0:32

Oh?

0:32

Really, that's weird. Always

0:34

sitting down.

0:35

That seems like I'll be honest,

0:37

that seems like too much.

0:37

Sitting at my desk,

0:40

come at work.

0:41

I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a

0:43

physician. I'm not a physical therapist.

0:45

I'm not even a chiropractor, although I

0:47

think I could be with a minimal amount of training.

0:49

From what I understand. But anyhow,

0:51

I am in a hotel room.

0:52

I've been traveling and I

0:55

did not bring I'm so dumb. I'm

0:57

so very stupid that I didn't bring any of my recording

1:00

equipment. And so I don't

1:02

know if if we can do

1:05

this via phone call, but I

1:08

offer to you the opportunity, frankly,

1:11

the gift really to

1:14

do this pod, this episode of What Future

1:17

via the telephone is that? Is that an

1:19

an?

1:20

Well, you know what's incredible is

1:22

that I had a feeling and I've been

1:24

recording this whole call.

1:25

You're recording.

1:26

Well, I did tell you that I was maybe not

1:28

going to be able to I mean I sort of and I feel

1:31

like I gave hinted.

1:32

At least it is you're spoiling

1:34

to magic.

1:37

Well, I don't want to stay.

1:38

I mean, is that a little too I feel like that's a little

1:40

too fortuitous that you have to be recording.

1:42

Okay, we plan to record this. No,

1:45

sorry, no fun. Nobody gets to have any

1:47

fun.

1:48

I don't know.

1:48

Fine, Okay, you're a genius.

1:49

You knew I was gonna fucking not have my

1:51

mic with me, and you decide to record this,

1:54

and it's all my fault. Yeah, that this

1:56

is going to sound slightly less

1:58

good than the other podcast I do.

2:00

It's kind of fun to have a phone call.

2:19

I love having phone calls. I love talking on the phone. I

2:21

love talking, actually, and I

2:23

wish I could do more of it.

2:25

I wish all I could do is talk. I wish I just had

2:27

to talk.

2:27

I wish that none of the other stuff that goes around, like

2:30

the talking had to exist, like you

2:32

know, after I talk. I don't want to have to execute on any

2:34

of the things I've said. You know, in business, a

2:36

lot of the time I'll be like we should do X, you know,

2:38

and then people are like, that's a great idea, and then I have

2:40

to go do it. You know what would be great

2:42

is if it were like we should do X, and then I just

2:44

can leave, just

2:47

walk away, and it just happens.

2:50

I suppose that's like what people at the very

2:52

top do. Like Jeff

2:54

Bezos, He's like, why don't

2:57

He's like, why don't we make a book?

3:02

And they're like, all right, Jeff, and

3:04

then they make the kindle you're seen. Have you ever

3:06

seen the first kindle? It?

3:08

I remember when people had it.

3:10

But it's a completely deranged looking device.

3:12

I mean, first off, it is. The design of it is completely

3:15

weird. It's super angular, It

3:17

has a keyboard, uh

3:20

you know, it has a weird strip, a thing

3:22

that's like a strip that you use to scroll on

3:24

it.

3:25

It's a bizarre device.

3:26

Anyhow, Bezos maybe it's like that because he said

3:29

that and then he left the room and Noboby.

3:30

People are like, will you just do whatever?

3:33

Anyhow?

3:33

That's did you watch the BlackBerry movie?

3:37

I didn't, But when when

3:40

I was at the when I was, you know, running the Verge.

3:42

Actually, not that long after we started

3:44

it, we had a writer of ours write

3:46

a huge story about sort

3:49

of the rise and fall of BlackBerry, which was

3:51

that what BlackBerry is no I don't think

3:54

so, I don't. I don't believe it is. Actually

3:56

I don't know. I haven't seen it. Maybe they've stolen

3:59

the wholesale see from our story, but

4:01

I.

4:01

Think it says it's based on a book

4:04

on a book.

4:05

No, I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised to

4:07

hear so. I've heard a lot of people say it's

4:09

good, and I'm surprised. I have to

4:11

admit, it's the kind of movie that I

4:13

looked at and I was like, this.

4:15

Will not be a good movie. No one

4:17

wants to see this movie.

4:19

I mean, I can imagine myself enjoying it

4:21

because I'm a huge fucking nerd. But I've

4:23

heard, on more than one occasion from more

4:25

than one person who isn't necessarily a huge fucking

4:27

nerd, that it's very entertaining.

4:29

It's a sleeper hit, it's got good. It's

4:32

a critical.

4:33

Darling, is it?

4:35

Who could have seen that coming? I

4:37

mean that's crazy.

4:38

I mean I like J.

4:40

Baruchell Brukel

4:43

Baruke him and Glenn

4:45

Howardton.

4:46

Yeah.

4:46

See the thing that bothers me is that he J.

4:49

J.

4:49

Brukews.

4:50

That's how I say it.

4:50

It looks like he's wearing. He just looks like he's super

4:53

young. But he's wearing a gray wig like in

4:55

the scenes I've seen from the trailer.

4:56

That's true, And.

4:57

It's like kind of bothers me because it's like, because's supposed

4:59

to be an older guy because he looks like

5:01

he's like seventeen.

5:02

Well, Glenn Howardton's bald cap

5:04

two is pretty silly.

5:06

Yeah, anyhow, so I don't know, you

5:08

know, what's going on in the world, what's going on.

5:11

Summer's over, right, I mean, that's it. The

5:13

summer's dead, you know.

5:14

But then you know, it's funny because

5:16

God, you know who I believe in,

5:18

and is definitely controlling the weather. God

5:21

had other plans for us, you know, you thought you

5:23

know that, you know the famous they famously

5:26

say, you may be done with the past, with the past is done

5:28

with you. That's sort of how I feel about

5:30

the weather. You know, you may be done with the weather, but

5:33

the weather is not done with you. And

5:35

we all thought, hey, summer's over, it's

5:37

time to experience. Well you didn't think this because

5:39

you live in Los Angeles, so for

5:41

you, it's always summer, which is wonderful, but

5:44

or horrible, depending on how you feel about summer.

5:47

But here on the East Coast, where the

5:49

elites live, where the

5:51

elite, the educated elites live and

5:53

operate, where all of the elites

5:55

control all of the world's banking

5:58

and and higher

6:00

education institutions. Anyhow,

6:03

it's very hot now, you know, it's hot.

6:05

It's very warm. And you know, people say

6:08

it's boring to talk about the weather, and maybe

6:10

they're right, you know, maybe those people

6:12

are onto something.

6:14

Anyhow, So what is there to talk about the weather? I

6:16

mean, it is interested, you.

6:17

Have to admit, I mean, of all the things you might discuss,

6:20

is it is kind of important? Right?

6:22

Do I have to admit that?

6:25

I mean, I think one has to admit the

6:27

weather is as especially

6:29

as of late, very interesting.

6:31

Okay, that is true. I did spend

6:33

a lot of time reading about the hurricane.

6:35

Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know do we even consider the wildfire's

6:37

weather? Are they their weather related? Right? I mean

6:40

the wildfires are happening because of like dry

6:42

heat, right. So you

6:45

know New York was like covered

6:47

in a red smog for

6:49

like multiple days. You couldn't breathe outside.

6:52

And you know, that's a pretty interesting phenomenon.

6:54

I think that's like worth talking about

6:57

anyhow. The point is the

6:59

weather is a topic that people can talk

7:01

about. It's certainly something that's been on my mind right

7:03

now. It's it's ninety. I don't know why you're laughing

7:06

at me. This is all very serious and important to uff.

7:08

It's eighty not no, I'm just like.

7:11

The idea of offering weather as

7:13

a topic.

7:15

I just think they've heard.

7:17

Oh you think you don't think they need buy approval,

7:20

Yeah, saying I don't need to put my stamp of approval on

7:22

the topic of the weather is a conversation.

7:24

But you know what, it's nice and reassuring

7:26

because people often talk

7:29

down about it as a topic.

7:32

I think we go through life not being entirely

7:34

sure of ourselves about a lot of things. And I

7:36

think sometimes you might bring up the weather and you

7:39

start talking about it, and then that little voice

7:41

inside your head that talks to you

7:43

while you're talking.

7:44

Does everybody have that? I certainly do.

7:46

It starts to go, starts to go. Man,

7:48

this sounds fucking stupid, and you sound like

7:50

the most boring person in the world talking about

7:52

like that it's going to rain later today or

7:54

whatever. But I think people need to

7:56

be they need to be reassured, and they need to know that

7:58

it's okay and that that voy is wrong. That

8:01

voice is the only time that voice

8:03

is right is when it tells you to kill people because

8:06

you need to do Satan's bidding. That's the only time you

8:08

should ever listen to that voice, in my opinion, And

8:11

uh, you know, have.

8:14

You I'm curious have you had

8:16

any epiphanies lately?

8:18

Epiphanies? A

8:21

weird question have you had any any

8:23

epiphanies lately? Is like have any

8:26

miracles happened to you recently? That's like

8:28

like have you win the lot

8:30

Have you won the lottery recently? Because

8:34

had any miracles happen? No,

8:37

I would say my life recently has been

8:39

a series of reverse miracles, uh

8:41

whatever, whatever. Those would be called traged

8:44

tragedies, miniature tragedies,

8:47

little micro tragedies, which is a new thing that I

8:49

just invented. It's like a microaggression, but it

8:51

is happening. It's happening to you, and it's personal,

8:53

but it's not that big of it.

8:54

It's like what I some I've said

8:57

this before at work because I didn't want

8:59

people to panic. But instead of saying I

9:01

have a family emergency, I've said

9:03

I have a family urgency.

9:05

Oh that's nice, that's really interesting.

9:07

I like to tell people I have a family emergency, like

9:10

even if it's not really an emergency, just to see what

9:12

kind of reaction I get out of them. I'd like to see, like,

9:15

I'd like to see how they Some people want

9:17

to Some people will engage with that. Some people

9:19

are like, I got to get how do I get out of this as quickly

9:21

as possible?

9:23

What's your favorite reaction? What do

9:25

you want them to do?

9:26

I want people to I want to see concern.

9:29

I want to see people have that face

9:31

like you know, they don't know what it is. It could be a

9:33

death, It could be a car.

9:35

Accidents a word for this.

9:37

It could be marital distress. It could be

9:40

your parents are bothering you. It could be

9:42

your parents somebody your parents are sick, somebody's

9:44

in the hospital. It could be your child,

9:47

is something wrong with your child, whatever it is, it's

9:49

terrible when you.

9:50

Say family emergency.

9:51

It could be somebody in your family is a terrible

9:53

alcoholic and you have to do an intervention.

9:55

You know that kind of stuff. I mean what goes through your mind when

9:57

somebody says family emergency.

9:58

What do you think? What's the first thing you say? Oh?

10:01

I think death?

10:02

Death. Yeah.

10:03

See, I don't think they'd say that.

10:04

I think they'd say I had a death in the family, or

10:07

they'd say my uncle died or.

10:08

Someone or someone is dying.

10:11

Yeah, I don't know.

10:12

I guess like a family emergency, I guess

10:14

you could say that.

10:15

I guess that was just my last My last

10:17

family emergency was somebody was passing

10:19

away.

10:20

Right, passing away.

10:21

I think that's an interesting term, passing

10:23

away. I think it's too soft of a term. I think we

10:25

should confront death directly. I

10:27

think passing away sounds like actually pretty pleasant,

10:29

Like they passed away, you know, they floated

10:32

off into the ether. You know. One of the

10:34

things when you in journalism,

10:37

you're not supposed to write in like a headliner or a story

10:39

like somebody passed away. That's like this weird

10:41

editorializing about death. Right,

10:43

you're supposed to say they died. Like you look at the

10:45

New York Times. They don't write so and so passed

10:47

away. They write so and so died. That's the journalistically

10:50

sound way to do it. It's just a fact. Sure, right,

10:52

there's just no it's funny. I'm talking

10:54

about death earlier with someone I was saying.

10:57

I was talking to a friend of mine and she was something

11:00

that she had bought a very expensive bag and then decides

11:02

to return it and then couldn't return it. And

11:05

she was like, why did I buy this bag anyhow? And I was like, oh,

11:07

because you're trying to escape the thought of death, you

11:09

know. And then I went into this whole spiel about it.

11:11

And I can't remember some very

11:14

important philosopher I was talking about this or I

11:16

was reading it. You know that everything that we do in life,

11:18

literally everything is like basically an

11:20

attempt at diverting our attention away from the

11:22

inevitability of death. And like

11:25

every literally everything, like the way we form societies,

11:28

like having kids, like buying a bag,

11:30

you know, doing whatever, it's all and

11:33

you know, it kind of checks out, like like it checks out

11:35

to me, Like I think no one wants to sit around

11:37

and think about their demise. They want to

11:39

be like I need new

11:41

shoes, or I should have a child

11:44

or whatever people

11:46

think. I don't know. I don't know what people think because I'm

11:48

not I'm not in that group.

11:50

I'm not in the group of people. I'm

11:52

outside that group. I'm pressed

11:54

up against the glass looking at the people,

11:57

wondering what are the people doing?

12:00

And I'm on the other side. Who's with me?

12:02

I don't know.

12:03

It's a weird scene. Actually, where am

12:05

I? Why is there glass there at all? A

12:07

lot of unanswered questions in this scenario. But

12:09

the point is, I

12:11

guess I don't feel like I'm in touch with my fellow humans

12:14

lately the way I used to. You know, do

12:16

you ever feel that?

12:17

Yeah?

12:18

I mean I feel like you

12:20

feel alienated from humanity and society.

12:23

Yeah, pretty often.

12:24

Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird feeling.

12:27

I don't know anyhow.

12:28

So, Yeah, it's hot outside, very hot.

12:31

Death is imminent and upon us everywhere.

12:34

Now that I think of it, should we pause? Of

12:36

course? I never listened to the show, But what I've

12:38

been told is that the show has commercial breaks in

12:40

it. So do we need to

12:42

stop and then start again?

12:44

I think so, and we should do that. I

12:57

had an epiphany recently.

12:59

Oh you hadn't all you have to have had any epiphanies. Let

13:01

me here, let me hear about your epiphany. I I

13:04

had. I have not had my No,

13:06

I've had no epiphanies. And if anything, my mind

13:08

has been very cloudy lately, very very muddled,

13:11

very unable to

13:14

discern answers.

13:16

But tell me about your epiphany.

13:17

So I was at Starbucks, okay,

13:22

and a woman came

13:24

in.

13:25

She was.

13:28

Of the Karen ilk

13:31

Oh Karen. You know she physically,

13:35

you know, appeared as a

13:37

Karen.

13:38

She had one of those weird like Rod Stewart haircuts

13:40

or something or you.

13:41

Know, close close to you know, I

13:43

tense stuff.

13:44

Yeah, okay, she came in.

13:46

She came in hot, She walked

13:49

straight to the

13:51

register. She had

13:53

something to say, and I

13:55

kind of like.

13:56

You know, you're like, here we

13:59

go.

13:59

Yeah, she

14:01

was like I called, I got big

14:05

long thing. She had a big order. She you

14:07

know, had expectations and she

14:09

was laying it all out. And the

14:12

young man said,

14:15

oh, Susanne, yeah,

14:17

I remember you something something,

14:20

and the woman's face, like her entire

14:22

demeanor melted

14:24

away, and she said,

14:27

you remembered my name. And

14:31

I realized that

14:34

when young white

14:37

women are you

14:40

know, young, pretty prime of their

14:42

life, attractive, they get all this special

14:45

attention. Pretty privileged

14:48

guys remember their names they

14:50

use it in conversation. They get

14:52

this kind of

14:56

you know, this

14:58

this little perk. These they get these talks

15:00

all.

15:00

The time, yeah perk, And they get them.

15:03

Because it's just nothing

15:05

that they've done. It's just the way they look. Because

15:08

you know, we.

15:08

Live in a culturist

15:11

society.

15:11

We have our white

15:14

privileged society that is exacerbated

15:16

when you're a young pretty girl, right,

15:19

and as they get older and they lose

15:22

those special young white

15:25

girl privileges, people

15:27

in service especially aren't

15:30

like meeting their expectations.

15:32

They harden.

15:33

You're saying, this causes them to.

15:34

Harden, and they get upset and

15:36

they're not even necessarily mad at

15:38

the person. They're mad that like they've

15:40

lost this thing that they could never quite

15:43

put their finger on. They've always been given

15:45

this special treatment and now it's gone and

15:47

they're mad. And I think that's

15:49

how a Karen is born.

15:51

That's interesting, that's the epiphany you had.

15:53

You think you've got to solve the Karen riddle. I

15:55

mean that is interesting. Yeah, I mean

15:57

I think there's something interesting about that theory. I

16:00

mean, obviously there are societal

16:03

forces that act on a

16:05

Karen to create that. You know, it's not

16:08

just born out of nothing. I do

16:10

have to wonder if it's not more a

16:12

manifestation of a sense of entitlement

16:14

generally than a specific losing

16:16

of that entitlement, although it does kind

16:18

of it does kind of map to what you're saying, in

16:20

the sense that, like, if you've been treated special

16:23

because you're like, you know, even like a reasonably attractive

16:25

young white woman or whatever people are, you

16:27

know, society has been arranged to kind of like be

16:30

especially nice to you, and then suddenly

16:32

you're not that anymore. You've

16:35

aged. I guess you're saying it's someone who's aged

16:37

and they now have been perhaps getting

16:39

a treatment that doesn't feel as special. I

16:41

guess that could bring that

16:44

entitlement out of the person further.

16:46

You know, I don't know.

16:47

I'm the kind of person who rarely,

16:50

if ever feel entitled to anything. And

16:53

you know, when I was dating, I would ask the girl

16:55

if I could kiss her, you know, and I wouldn't just make

16:57

a move. I wouldn't make a move. I wasn't like

16:59

I'm going to and fucking just do it because the moment has

17:01

struck me. I'd be like, is this okay?

17:04

Like I don't know, it seems like I should, but

17:07

it's like in the moment, i'd be like, before I do this,

17:09

just one quick. I'm not like mister consent or

17:11

anything. I'm not trying to be like I'm so progressive. I'm just

17:13

saying like I'm not saying I'm not mister.

17:17

Not mystery, I'm mister.

17:19

But I'm saying it wasn't like, oh

17:21

my god, I got to get the verbal

17:23

yet, you know. It's just more like I don't know. This could

17:25

go bad, Like this person could really not want me to kiss

17:28

them. So I don't know. I'm just thinking like when I think of entitlement,

17:30

I think of like somebody was telling me a story the other day

17:32

about about somebody they worked with who was like sexually

17:34

harassing them and sending them these like crazy messages,

17:37

and I was like, you know, there was like

17:40

this slightly older man, you know, sending

17:42

these messages to a woman. And I was like,

17:45

and it was a getting completely inappropriate,

17:47

totally out of context, totally

17:49

like you know, basically criminal as far as I'm concerned.

17:52

And I was like, I don't, I don't really know.

17:54

I can't not tap into the sense the feeling

17:56

that I could just do that to a person, that there

17:59

was any reason why I would do that. I find

18:01

it unusual to feel like

18:04

the idea that you know, it's like, I mean, I've

18:06

taught people told me, when women have told me they're like, oh yeah,

18:08

like guys little like grab my ass on the street or something.

18:10

I'm like, that's crazy to me. That

18:12

seems crazy, But it is interesting. I guess

18:14

the flip side perhaps or some part of

18:16

that whatever that entitlement is. Speaking of

18:19

entitlement, it's the kind of male privilege entitlement

18:21

about how they can.

18:22

Be with women.

18:23

But in a way you're saying that Karen

18:25

is the inverse to that. It is the reaction

18:28

to the losing of some part

18:30

of that kind of attention. Nothing, it's

18:32

all nothing, all like harassment.

18:35

No, but but there is a but there is

18:37

a an

18:39

element to that treatment that is like because

18:41

they are young and pretty and white

18:43

often right, I mean, it's like not purely sexual,

18:46

but certainly a kind of like undercurrent of

18:48

wanting to win favor with sex pretty lady,

18:51

yeah, sex appeal.

18:52

Right, Yeah, I'll tell you I had another less

18:55

fun epiphany.

18:56

But Siah, exactly what you're

18:58

talking about here, lay it on.

18:59

Me as soon as I became an actual

19:02

adult, like my frontal lobe finish

19:05

developing. Yeah, cat

19:07

calling dropped ninety

19:09

percent.

19:10

Really, and I had.

19:12

I've been physically assaulted, I've had

19:14

you know, the guys grab your ass et

19:16

cetera, like random guys on the street.

19:19

I've had. I've lived all of that.

19:21

Yeah, and once I

19:23

became like an adult

19:27

who could be like a consenting adult

19:29

to this, you know, I mean

19:31

it's we all know what it is. They're just being predatory.

19:34

They don't actually want to find a woman

19:36

who's like turned on by that and wants

19:39

sex with them in return. But

19:42

but no, once you become an adult adult,

19:45

men stop this.

19:47

Like what we now know is

19:49

like a charade of.

19:51

Like, hey, I'm just hey, I'm just putting

19:53

it out there.

19:53

Baby.

19:54

It's like, no, you're not. You're going after little

19:56

girls.

19:57

Do you think do you think sorry? Do you say you think

19:59

it's that.

19:59

It's maturity that now is like that's

20:01

no longer appealing to that particular strain of dude.

20:04

Or is it that your demeanor change

20:06

in a way that made you less that

20:09

made them less likely to respond like that?

20:11

No?

20:11

No, no, when you're a

20:14

young girl, your demeanor

20:17

is fear, or at least for

20:19

me, you know. It's like it's not like I was walking

20:21

around Nightmare at

20:24

like sixteen and that's why

20:26

they went for me. It's like, no, I looked

20:29

terrified.

20:29

Let me be clear, sorry, let me.

20:33

Did I look tough once I got old?

20:36

Saying that like maybe you know that, yeah,

20:38

that you got you toughened up as you got older,

20:40

and it was less, you know, it was like more

20:43

intimidating to the guys who might who might

20:45

otherwise, you know, respond

20:47

that way to somebody who's younger. You know.

20:49

Now, I've been wearing like

20:52

four layers of winter clothes in a blizzard

20:55

and had a guy yell at me.

20:56

From his Interesting, that's

20:59

interesting, That's what you know. Something.

21:00

I was walking down the street the other day speaking

21:03

of cat calling, and there

21:05

were these two very good looking guys walking together,

21:07

and a guy came by on a bike and

21:09

he was like, oh yes, daddy.

21:12

He's like yes to both of you daddies,

21:14

like literally just like that as he cruised

21:16

by, and I was like, first

21:18

of all, I was like, for a second when he said oh yes,

21:21

daddy, I was like, is he talking to me for

21:23

just one little moment, I was

21:25

like, is this guy hitting

21:27

on me on his city bike? He

21:30

wasn't, because there were beautiful muscular men

21:32

walking past me, but two guys

21:34

who were definitely daddy in question anyhow.

21:37

But I have never been fucking

21:39

cat called. I have no idea what the experience

21:41

is like. It'd be different for me than it is for you. Obviously.

21:44

Even if it were a big burly

21:47

man and I got cat called,

21:49

I'd be like, that's pretty flattering, I

21:51

have to say, I feel because I'm

21:53

not walking around it. I haven't walked around in fear of predators

21:55

my whole life, obviously. You know, maybe

21:58

I don't even said this before on the podcast. I don't

22:00

know, I just think it would be nice,

22:02

you know, Like, I don't know what it's like. I'm a you know,

22:04

as a man, and you know, I wouldn't sound like

22:06

a John Hamm type of guy. You know, I'm

22:08

not like a Brad Pitt, you know, I'm

22:11

not a I'm more like a.

22:13

I'm more like a.

22:15

I don't know, like a Jene

22:18

Wilder kind you

22:20

know, more Gene Wilder

22:22

kind of character. You know. Uh So,

22:25

I don't know what it's like for someone to aggressively

22:30

sexually pursue me, and uh,

22:32

I'm not complaining, Well maybe I am.

22:35

I mean, I guess it sounds like it could be scary. Obviously

22:37

for a woman, it sounds like a horrible experience. Wilder,

22:41

it might be a very nice experience.

22:44

They're not actually sexually pursuing you.

22:46

They are trying to scare

22:48

you.

22:49

I like how I like how you're you seem a little

22:52

at Matt, like agitated about the fact that

22:54

these guys aren't aren't willing to follow through on their

22:56

on their cat call, like they won't take you on a tape.

22:58

Well, if if it.

22:59

Was, then it would it wouldn't

23:02

mean that they were like targeting

23:06

vulnerable populations.

23:07

You're saying, right, you're saying that there's a scenario

23:10

where somebody's like, hey, baby, why don't you bring that over

23:12

here or whatever.

23:12

I don't know what a cat call sounds like, but maybe something

23:14

like that, and then the woman's like all right, and then they're

23:17

like, hey, like what are you doing Friday night? And you think

23:19

that, like, is that's a thing that might happen. It

23:21

doesn't happen.

23:22

I have seen actually

23:26

I've seen a woman

23:28

do that on the subway to a man and

23:30

get his number.

23:31

I have seen that.

23:33

Of course a woman can do it. A woman has

23:35

followed through. Yes, he's not doing it like a man.

23:37

So I do think that that would be a

23:40

better than what it

23:42

actually is. But you've got to go and we can

23:44

talk about this.

23:45

I had to have to go, But I think to recap,

23:47

it's hot, it's summer's

23:49

not over. You may be through with the with

23:52

the summer, but the summer is not through with you. Cat

23:54

Calling is largely bad unless

23:56

you're me, in which case he would be a compliment

23:59

and a wonder for pleasure to experience.

24:02

I just want to make sure I've got all of it. Oh and the

24:04

BlackBerry movie is pretty good and I should check it out.

24:06

Is that what you're saying?

24:06

Yeah, that was a great round.

24:08

Great, it's a lot of food for thought. You know, I

24:10

have a lot to think about.

24:12

Oh, well, you know Karens.

24:14

That's just Karens. Yeah right. Your

24:16

grand unified theory of Karens, which I think is

24:19

actually perhaps the most important takeaway

24:21

from this show, is that you have solved You

24:23

actually have maybe figured out how we can stop Karens.

24:26

From being produced in society, which

24:28

is, we need to be way, way, way

24:30

nicer to women, no matter what age

24:32

they are and no matter how they look. We should

24:35

be nice to women and help them

24:37

out and remember their names. In fact,

24:39

I'll just expand that to people. We should

24:41

be nice to people and remember who they

24:43

are and treat them with kindness and

24:45

respect, and then nobody will become

24:48

an entitled maniac who

24:50

yells at a target employee because

24:52

she has to wear a mask.

24:53

We should treat all people with kindness

24:56

and respect, regardless

24:58

of their physical.

24:59

Appearance, unless they have a swastika

25:01

tattoo.

25:02

Okay, yeah,

25:04

that's the one exception, unless they're

25:06

like a one of these guys with the swastika

25:09

tattoo who's.

25:09

Now seen the error of their way formed

25:12

and his reform.

25:13

Is actually like and actually loves Jews and black

25:15

people like. Because if that person, we should

25:17

embrace and say you did it. You've

25:20

you've overcome your your bad upbringing

25:22

or whatever cause you to become an autot.

25:30

Do you want to wish anything to

25:32

the listeners?

25:33

I mean, honestly, I hope that they don't end up in

25:35

a situation. What I'd say is, like you

25:37

know obviously you.

25:38

Know I'm seeing up your sign off.

25:40

Yeah, I see, I know, obviously that is our show. We'll

25:42

be back next week with more What Future, and I won't be

25:44

on the phone, but what I might and I what I wish

25:46

for people is is is not the very

25:48

best, but I my wish is that they they

25:51

never end up in a situation where they have to record

25:53

a podcast and they they've left their

25:55

podcast microphone at home because

25:57

it's obviously embarrassing and Bushley

26:00

an amateur hour. And and

26:02

I wouldn't want anybody to have an egg on their face quite

26:04

the way I do right now. Is that an expression

26:07

egg on your face is not a thing that people say.

26:10

Huh huh.

26:12

Okay. I would like to explore that for the next episode

26:15

of What Future, I'd like to do a deep.

26:16

Dive on the egg on your face expression

26:19

and what it really means.

26:20

Okay, great, Okay, goodbye

26:23

bye.