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Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host,

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Josh Watspolski, And before

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we get into the show, I want to talk about traveling.

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I have a very particular feeling

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about traveling, particularly traveling by

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plane, and having

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just done some traveling, I

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have certain points of dread, I would say, in

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the experience, and I don't know if everybody has these. I don't

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know if everyone experiences travel quite the

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way that I do. Like, I feel like when I'm in airport

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and I look at people, people seem

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generally. Now this could be a projection

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or whatever, me reading into things, I feel

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like people at the airport are having a better

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time than I am. Like when I look around,

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I feel like everybody enjoying what

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they're doing or

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enjoying their trip more than I am. For

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me, a trip is just a

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series of hurdles that

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I've got a vault over, a series

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of anxiety portals

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that I must pass through until I get

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to my destination. And I think some of that

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is driven by my well.

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I think I have a problem with flying because

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it takes me completely out of control of the situation

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and I'm not a good passenger anywhere,

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Like in a car or whatever. I don't like to take trains

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that much. But on a plane

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you feel especially powerless and out of control.

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And you know, of course if a plane typically

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when a plane crashes, which doesn't happen that often, but

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it does happen, it's not like, oh, there were

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some injuries, you know, like a car crash is like, oh the guy

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got his arm broken, or well he had to be he was in the hospital

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for six months, but you know then he recovered, or

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well he'll never walk again, but he's still alive.

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I mean, of course, people die in car accidents, in fact, more

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often than than you know, they're more likely

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to die in a car accident than you are on a plane.

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So but there's that kind of feel like, well, if the plane

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does crash, that's it

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for me. I'm I'm toast. And

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then you know, there's the whole thing with seats

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because I'm very tall, and

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uh, it can be very

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uncomfortable. Uh,

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it can be very

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hold on, I'm

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getting a call which

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I need to take. I

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understand this, this is very bad timing. But one

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second, hello.

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Josh, yes, sir,

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you know who this is, right, Well,

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I mean there's only one person who can

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cut right into mind. Who

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is this?

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It's the professor. It's always the professor.

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It's only the professor.

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Professor scientists, Sir, professor scientists,

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Sir professor scientists, sir. Yes,

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I like to take control immediately.

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That's good.

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You know you hear my laugh right now,

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right? And I do so enjoy our conversations,

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both on air and

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off air. Yes, but I will

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tell you this. I come into this conversation today

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ship ton of

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anxiety, and

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imagine a ton of

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ship. Okay, any

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type of excrement I've got, I've got

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it, do you really? I

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got in my mind's eye right now. I

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got it in my mind's and it's very detailed. It's

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on your front doorstep. It's

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more than the doorstep. It's in your yard. Okay,

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your chowt is about.

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Could be good. I mean you have to stop.

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I held it from going out inquiring what

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is that thing everywhere near that?

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It's get away from that power of ship.

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Yeah.

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It's a ton, yeah, of anxiety,

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of anxiety, and I'm not

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enjoying it. And even though I'm giggling about

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it, yeah, I'm very

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serious.

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Well, giggling is just a it's a defense

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mechanism against anxiety. Yeah,

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I feel like I'm doing

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a bad job at everything, and that makes

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me feel anxious. But I'm not so anxious

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that I'm going to do a better job. If that makes you feel

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any better, So.

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I should write that down. That would be like

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a perfect little piece of wisdom

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in your in your book.

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Maybe I should write a book of little little witticisms

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like that.

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Yeah, exactly, all right, my anxiety

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levels for shiit?

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What's causing you anxiety? You're you should

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be relaxed, man, I should be

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Yeah, well, I know you've got a lot of stress because

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you've got you've got big projects, you got to deal with big

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people, big personalities.

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It's not just stress. It's

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just I don't know. I think stress

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is more of an external force and

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anxiety is more of an internal force.

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That sounds like something that a very

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smart therapist would say.

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No, I just I just said it. I just blurted

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that out.

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You should write a book of witticisms.

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Oh you want to hear some of my witticisms. Yes,

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I said this to somebody today. I

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can be accused of being a little self righteous,

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which I'm okay with. Yeah, because

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I can be I have a little bit of a bar.

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So yeah, I'll say yeah.

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And I came up with this thought years

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ago that when I

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feel like I have a leg to stand on, which

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to me indicates I'm right,

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I'm just right about it. I'm not always right, but this,

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in a particular moment, it's irrefutable.

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I am right. Somebody's

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wrong, somebody's lying, somebody's

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doing something.

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Yeah, if I.

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Have a leg to stand on, I take

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the leg I'm not standing on and I'll beat

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somebody over the head with it. I

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should write that one down figuratively

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literally, Yeah, figure it. Both

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your legs are attached permanently. Yeah,

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it's not like I'm gonna go beat anybody.

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Up without naming names.

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Can you give me a basic structure of the what's

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causing the anxiety?

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Well, scaffolding, it's uh,

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mortality has always

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been an issue for me.

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Aging mortality

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is an issue for everybody.

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Yeah, but I have an acute

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sense of my mortality, as my

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shrink says, which I do.

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That's interesting, acute.

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But what I've never really been conscious

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of so much so, not

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in a in a silly way or

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is the word blitheful way? Is that

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no, I don't blithe

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way is uh aging?

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But I've got aging on the brain.

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Now this is this is an interesting topic because

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I have a similar I've

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had a similar thing on on my.

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And I'm not feeling my age, but I'm conscious

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of my age. And that didn't happen until

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a handful of years ago. And

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through the handful of years I had a couple

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dear friends pass away and we

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were all read around the same age. And I've

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been thinking about my age,

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which was not part of my internal

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dialogue right and now it's there

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every day. Why what are you thinking about your age?

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Well, I will say that I

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think that I've always felt and

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as for as long as about as long as I can remember, I've

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always felt that I was sort of like didn't

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have enough time to accomplish all the things that

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I wanted to accomplish, even though

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I'm a master procrastinator and will

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definitely sit on shit indefinitely. But

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what's interesting is I don't think

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at all about at

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least not consciously. I don't spend a lot of time

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thinking about mortality, nor

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do I think about my age. And if I

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have any thought about my age, it is that

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I don't feel dramatically different or

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older than I

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did twenty years ago. By the

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way, I don't either, right, Okay, So

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so now, Laura, my wife, likes

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to point out that we are old all the time,

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like on a regular basis. She will say stuff

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like we're old now.

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Yeah, that's a slippery slope.

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It makes me feel kind of shitty because because

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I don't feel I don't feel old, and

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I don't and I don't identify as like

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an old person, and I don't feel like I have like

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somehow done all the things I'm going

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to do or lived all of the life I'm going to live. But

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it makes me think about it. I'm like, well, is am I just

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deluding myself? How deluded am I?

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About who I am and where I sit in

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the kind of spectrum on the spectrum of time?

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So you know, it pops up occasionally. I mean, it's funny

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because every time I talk about my age on the show, I say, oh, I'm

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very close to dying. But it's like it's a joke

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because I'm obviously not. I like to think

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that I'm not. But you know, I'm alway

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to talk to Laura, I might have to sit Laura, you

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should you should talk to her about it, because I think she's

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creating a real bad It creates a really bad vibeth.

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It becomes a slippery slope, self

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fulfilling prophecy.

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Well, and I think it's like why I think about yourself

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like that, Why I think about in these terms of like

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old or young. I don't feel any

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age.

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I never did until about five years

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ago.

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Yeah, and I'm not. Nobody's dying in my world. I

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mean, I'm just just hanging out, just

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LIVI.

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You know, all right, I'm going to jump around

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a little bit, but I'm going to mood today. Here

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we go, Here we go. I saw

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a documentary it's about

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the No No People, which I had never heard

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before. Okay, but the No No People

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were the Japanese

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West Coast, primarily Japanese people

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who were in turn during World

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War two, Right. And

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there was a twenty eight questions

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questionnaire that was given to these

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to all these people as they're about to be interned.

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As I called it, like, number twenty

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seven is will

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you take up arms on behalf of the United States?

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Right basically, And then number

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twenty eight was some

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version of do you sympathize

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side with the japan right, So

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these people wouldn't answer

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those questions. Hence they answered

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twenty six, but on twenty

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seven and twenty eight they wouldn't answer them, and

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they became known as the no no people right

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now, and they were sent to

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a more harsh internment

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camp in Arizona called Camp Tully,

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right, right, So all of it

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was harsh, but Camp a little bit more

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harsh, and these people were seen as real

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troublemakers. But in fact, so

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many of the Japanese people, as it turns out,

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were you know, like God

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love them. It's just a you know, this is a

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beautiful race of people. And they were

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like, they weren't rioting. They weren't

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like pulling a January sixth on anybody,

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right, they certainly weren't happy.

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Only the only white people do stuff like that.

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Fact, by the way, only white people do

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that. Because here's my question, if

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we were to think that, okay, because of geography

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and proximity. Okay, so Asian

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and we were often referred to as the West Coast

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Asians, right, So it makes you think probably

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not too many Asians at that time of America on

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the East Coast in relationship to

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the West coast. But if

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we imprisoned all the Japanese

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people, did

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we try and imprison any of the German

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people on the East coast?

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I mean, this is a whole This is a whole different.

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And why did we not? Oh? Because

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they looked like us, because they were a

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bunch of white people.

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This is uh. But also a

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huge amount of Nazi sympathizers in America.

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Oh yeah, I made that. I made that point demand

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the earlier in the day to a.

11:43

Huge amount of a bit of still

11:46

to this day and and and historically

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for sure. Just imagine

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thinking you're the center of the known universe for

11:53

your entire existence, in the existence of

11:55

all of your ancestors, just

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thinking that you control and rule

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all of the earth, and

12:02

discovering that

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that's not the case, And

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how little it must make you feel deep down. I

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mean I can only imagine. I

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mean, I'm a white man, I'm Jewish,

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so I'm a minority. Basically, we're

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a certain kind of minority. We're not we look like I

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look like a white guy. But I definitely will be killed as

12:22

soon as the Nazis get to power.

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Oh I shouldn't laugh at that one.

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If the guys in New York who are the

12:28

Hasidic Jews can identify me and

12:31

ask me if I want to pray with them on

12:33

the street, they'll just pull me over and say

12:35

do you want to? That happens, Oh yeah, it's

12:37

a very common thing that happens in New York. They try

12:39

to get something called a minion together, which is

12:41

a group of men praying. I've heard of that,

12:44

and at any rate, but if they can identify

12:46

me, I guarantee you whoever, like

12:49

Donald Trump Junior, can identify that I'm Jewish

12:51

as well. But yeah, no, I mean, like, I don't

12:53

know what it's like. I don't know what it's like to feel

12:56

to feel so good about myself. I don't

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know, because I don't think any Jewish person knows

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this, To feel really good about

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like who you are and what you've done, Like, I'm

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not sure that's an emotion I can get in touch with.

13:08

But but the but these Europeans, these

13:10

white people, I mean, they've just been riding

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this wave of success, you

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know, seeming success, and it is very I think

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it's very difficult to to imagine

13:19

a world where you are not the top

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dog. And of course that world is a

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there's only one solution for them,

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because that world's imminent, that world is

13:29

is here. The only solution for them

13:32

is to kill, is to do just like

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to do a genocide, because like there's

13:36

no way, how well you

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can't stop they can't. They know they can't stop

13:41

it. I mean, the ship that's going on in America with these Nazis

13:43

and stuff like actual Nazis and this

13:45

Ronda Santis shit is just a

13:48

pure expression of like the last

13:50

gasp of this kind of European

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U eurocentric white

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culture that they've built up

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and that they think was they thought was forever,

13:59

was going to be forever. And unfortunately

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it's not very sad for them. So I mean,

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but you know, they might just they might just like Adam

14:06

Bambas, you know they've done it before.

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You're giving me segues and you don't even

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know it.

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I don't I don't know it. I have no idea what we're talking

14:13

about or why we're talking about it.

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But in lockstep today and lots of stuff to often

14:17

often you and I are combative.

14:20

I was gonna say off in we

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are arguing about that interesting.

14:26

We like to we like to rib each other a lot,

14:29

But today I'm not in a ribbing mood.

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No, you're too anxiety ridden to rib I'm too

14:33

anxiety too much thinking

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about mortality.

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Did you read the latest report out the BBC

14:38

on AI as if everybody

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in the world isn't talking about AI?

14:43

But no, no, but I'm happy. Let's get engage on

14:45

this. I'm ready. What's the report? Oh, the one

14:47

about how it makes extinct or

14:49

whatever?

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Yes, even the I think even the guy

14:51

who's created or funding.

14:55

And the guy who runs open AI is very

14:58

worried. Interesting marketing tactic, I

15:00

would say, to make your products seem extremely

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powerful and valuable. A couple

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of things on that. First off, like, I

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hope it's I would love to see

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I'd love to be wiped out by an AI personally,

15:11

speaking on just a straight

15:13

up basic level.

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I just lazers you from outer space.

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He so lucky to have the AI turn

15:19

on us and wipe out you.

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Man, How does it wipe you out? Does a laser

15:23

just come from outer space?

15:25

Yeah? Lasers? Sure? Fine, Listen,

15:27

you have to you do have to game it out a little bit,

15:29

right, because today the AI will

15:31

uh it doesn't do a lot. And also

15:34

it's not really AI, it's a it's

15:36

a language model, which is

15:38

because humans are very, very dumb, I think

15:40

we should just first I want to lay this out there.

15:43

Well, we're dumb. We're dumb because I

15:45

mean, storytelling is it

15:48

is what drives humanity. And by the way

15:50

that my career in journalism and

15:52

in other forms of storytelling has been very much

15:55

driven personally by this idea that telling

15:58

a story the right way, or finding this story

16:00

to tell and telling it is like, has huge, huge

16:02

value for people. It can change someone's life,

16:04

it can change someone's mind, it can it can it

16:06

can reorient you in the world, and it's like very

16:09

powerful. Right, So storytelling is

16:11

extremely important, but it is also like the basis

16:13

of all humanity essentially right that we

16:15

are this is the only way that we ever

16:17

get anywhere is by convincing each

16:20

other of a narrative. Right. Like

16:22

gay marriage is a good example. Like right gay

16:24

marriage happened in America largely

16:27

because we convinced, like

16:29

there was a narrative that started

16:31

to make sense to people, that you could tell them a

16:33

story about what marriage

16:35

was and what it meant that was different than the one they

16:37

had been told. Previously, and they could, they could, they

16:39

could understand it, and they'd buy into it. And

16:42

I think so much of that had to do with

16:44

like changing the narrative, like literally

16:46

changing the conversation and the story that we tell.

17:00

What do you think the dude is doing?

17:01

Who?

17:02

Who? What's his name? Stuart?

17:04

Who's Sam Altman? Sam? Runs open?

17:06

What's what's he doing? When he says,

17:08

Hey, this thing is really dangerous?

17:09

Basically, I think he's saying, my

17:12

company is so valuable and so powerful.

17:14

We've created something that even I don't

17:16

understand the power of. And I

17:18

hope I get I hope you will. Uh, the

17:21

government America, I hope your military

17:23

will invest heavily billions of dollars

17:25

of my technology to use raft to learn

17:28

how to you know, bomb people

17:30

better or whatever. And the NSA would

17:32

want it to help them learn about what people's behaviors

17:35

are. And uh, you know, other companies

17:37

will want to buy. And he's like, well, it's so powerful.

17:39

I don't know. I mean, maybe you can throw me a few bucks.

17:42

We could figure it out together. I think he's

17:44

a master marketer. Uh. And

17:46

but here's what it is. I mean, this model

17:49

tells us stories really well, and we're so

17:51

fucking stupid. We're so dumb.

17:54

And I gotta say just monkey level stupidity

17:56

here with humanity that the

17:59

bed the better the story is, the more believable

18:01

it is to us, regardless of it is if it is actually

18:04

believable or has any facts in it. Like

18:06

there's a great story that's been going around about this

18:09

lawyer who presented this brief,

18:11

this dissent or something in a case, and it had

18:14

all cited all of these different cases that

18:16

he had used chat GPT to get

18:18

and all of the cases were made up with like

18:21

extremely detailed citations. But

18:23

every one of the cases was invented by chat

18:25

GPT because its job is to model

18:29

what we believe we wanted

18:31

to tell us, right, It models what we think

18:33

what it thinks. The next part of

18:36

the conversation is, so we're in

18:38

this state of total panic

18:40

because like, what else could it do? But I think

18:42

to a couple of things there.

18:44

Let me interrupt you before, because when

18:46

you talk about predictiveness

18:50

meets AI meets

18:53

telling a story meets marketing. You

18:55

know, have I ever told you to read this book called If

18:57

Then by Joe Lapour?

18:59

I have been reading it actually started reading it

19:01

because you told me that's right. We did have the I I

19:04

fell off of I'm in the middle of it. You guys

19:06

never finished. It's it great, it's great. It's a great

19:08

book.

19:08

It's really a great book. And she's a great writer, but

19:11

terrific, one of the best. What she

19:13

points out and I won't ruin

19:15

it for people, But the way that this

19:18

Marketer, you know, Madison

19:20

Avenue guy got hold of a

19:22

computer, so to speak, and guys who

19:24

knew how to operate the earliest, earliest days

19:26

of computer and how they their

19:29

initial interest was how do we

19:31

get I think it was how do we get a

19:33

person to switch from one cigarette to another?

19:37

And it threw multiple

19:40

hands. Political hands eventually

19:43

started to years

19:45

later predict where

19:47

we were supposed to bomb certain

19:50

villages in Vietnam.

19:51

Right, Kisdinger got his hands on it, and it was

19:53

off to the raises. Yeah, I assume.

19:56

I don't know, but he's one of the greatest war criminals

19:58

we've ever known.

19:59

I know you I have a passion for him.

20:01

No, I don't really Actually, it's just anyhow he's

20:03

been in the news because he just turned one hundredth

20:06

But god.

20:07

Where was I so the guy, he's a great marketer,

20:09

and he just.

20:11

Talking about the stories, the stories. It's very

20:13

good.

20:13

And then the other guy, the attorney, creates

20:15

all those things.

20:16

But it's just it's just excellent at

20:19

shaping something that feels so

20:21

alive, feels so real, that

20:24

we start to ascribe all these

20:26

qualities to it. Give it all of these give

20:28

it all this power like money in a way, actually,

20:31

you know. And so we're all in a

20:33

panic now about AI wiping out humanity.

20:36

And again I have to say, I strongly advocate

20:38

for it wiping out of humanity at the hands of

20:40

AI if it can, but

20:42

it cannot. I think it's hard

20:45

for us to imagine the

20:47

mind of a person who comes to this not in

20:50

where we have come to it mid mid

20:52

life already having learned a bunch

20:55

of other habits, but somebody who's coming

20:57

to it brand new. Will they be more addicted,

20:59

will they be less addicted? Well, they find the things that

21:01

we find uh so fascinating

21:04

less interesting. I think there's a

21:06

as a really like wild kind of set

21:08

of possibilities that have nothing to

21:10

do with anything that we already think that we

21:12

know about how we use these devices Because I don't

21:15

think that we have as a as a species

21:18

actually begun to even

21:20

understand what they do at all. So

21:23

so you're, you know, the counter argument could be, well, that's

21:25

why we're going to blow ourselves up with AI. I

21:28

think right now, the danger that AI poses

21:30

is that it makes things, It makes faking

21:33

things very easy, and misinformation

21:36

more than anything. And by the way, going back to the

21:38

narrative of storytelling, misinformation

21:41

is far more dangerous than the atom bomb in

21:43

a lot of ways, right like the oh

21:45

fucking snore, if snore, if you are a professor.

21:48

You're you're stating in the arvious, I can't believe

21:50

that you are here, am

21:52

I Do you think the most dangerous

21:54

part is fake and creating false So.

21:56

It's now I think at this moment, in

21:58

this moment.

21:59

And do you think that that's actually going to get better

22:01

because it's these fake false

22:03

moments almost just created a civil

22:05

war.

22:06

And you think when where.

22:09

January sixth could have maybe but.

22:11

That AI had nothing

22:14

to do with that. That was just regular old people doing their

22:16

thing.

22:16

Well it wasn't. AI didn't have anything to do

22:18

with false news had something to do with it, right.

22:21

But that's so that's not even a thing. That's a fake

22:23

idea too. That's just like fake news is a fake

22:25

concept.

22:26

But you don't think you just said we're going to be

22:28

able to create more falsehoods. Yes,

22:31

through through an information just

22:33

information.

22:34

Call it what you will, but that's what the fucking Protocols

22:36

of the Elders of Zion is. And

22:38

it's been around forever. It's behold

22:40

a pale horse. It's all this fucking the

22:43

illuminati shit. It's all the same

22:45

thing. It's just a huge pile of

22:47

secrets and misinformation that people that

22:49

a certain segment of the population will fucking buy

22:51

into, just like trickle down economics

22:54

and all that bullshit. I hate to

22:56

do it. I hate to cite this, but there's

22:58

it.

22:59

But go ahead and say it.

23:00

Well, there's a great Trotsky

23:04

right piece of writing.

23:05

You slip when you slip

23:07

into Leon Trotsky. Well, I

23:10

know I'm not I'm not.

23:12

A hard line or anything, just saying he

23:15

wrote a piece in nineteen oh one called on Optimism

23:17

and Pessimism, and I think about it all the time. I'm

23:20

just going to read you the last line because it's the last

23:22

line, is the one that's the last two lines are

23:25

the ones that are important. I'm just gonna read them to you. Surrender

23:29

you pathetic dreamer. Here, I am your long awaited

23:31

twentieth century, your future. By the way, this piece

23:33

just details how horrible society

23:35

is in the twentieth century. This is when he wrote in nineteen

23:37

oh one. Right, this is the start of the twentieth

23:39

century. Surrender you, pathetic

23:41

dreamer. Here, I am your long awaited twentieth

23:44

century, your future. And

23:46

the last line is no replies the unhumbled

23:49

optimist, You are only the present.

23:52

I think about this all the time, every day, that

23:54

we are in this mode

23:56

of envisioning, that we are

23:58

in the end date. But

24:00

we're not in the end state. We're like in the Opening

24:03

Innings. We're in the opening innings.

24:05

And I've said this to you before, and I'll see disagree.

24:08

Humanity is not going to be destroyed by

24:11

a global pandemic. Let

24:13

me, let me, it's not gonna be destroyed. And

24:16

I'm agreeing with you by a nuclear conflagration.

24:19

I agree, it's going to be destroyed when we invent a pair

24:21

of shoes that let you jump very high,

24:23

and then it turns out one day

24:26

they go hey wire anybody's legs start flying off

24:28

because the shoes. And that's how we're gonna It's gonna

24:30

be something so fucking stupid and unexpected.

24:34

You know, It's like it's actually like the pandemic. I think

24:36

a lot of a lot of it is like, you know, we

24:38

thought it'd be zombies and fucking buildings

24:41

on fire and nuclear missiles

24:43

and whatever. The robots rope the

24:45

fucking guys from the matrix. The robots are the matrix,

24:48

and and what it actually is like you got to sit

24:50

in your house and work. You're not allowed

24:52

to go out. You can't go to the grocery store. That's the

24:54

apocalypse. That's our apocalypse. It's like you've

24:56

got to be on slack with your coworkers

25:00

while you know everybody's getting sick

25:02

around you. Anyhow, Listen,

25:04

I don't know how we got into this. I have no idea what we're

25:06

talking about.

25:06

Me take something back to No, let me take something

25:09

back because I said I agree, but

25:11

I don't agree.

25:12

I don't even know. I'm not even sure what

25:14

our topic isn't.

25:15

No, but you had said it's going to be some you

25:17

know, some fucking tennis shoe

25:19

that gets the tennis shoe. You're

25:21

gonna wipe us.

25:22

Out as your legs are flying off and

25:24

you put them on.

25:25

I have heard you say that before. Yeah, No, I think

25:27

it's going to be bigger than that.

25:29

Maybe. But the thinking about AI is this, like

25:31

it is, it appears

25:34

very scary because it does things that we

25:36

that seem like they are beyond understanding.

25:39

I think that, you know, if you look at what the real the

25:41

the interesting critics have said, and I think

25:44

to Amanda's point, where

25:46

it's true danger lies at this point is in

25:48

the misuse of AI by human beings.

25:51

But it's kind of a people

25:53

don't kill people, guns do or whatever argument,

25:56

like yeah, like ultimately a

25:58

person has to pull the trigger, but

26:00

the gun is the thing that lets

26:02

them kill. And I think that,

26:05

like, you know, we can

26:07

have the debate about, you know, what the true

26:09

danger of AI is and and it's

26:11

both things, right, it's both the technology and the

26:14

people. But it's like, but this, at this point,

26:16

we're so early in this game, and

26:19

what it's doing is such a parlor trick, and

26:22

there's no evidence that the parlor trick becomes it

26:24

can become a more elaborate parlor trick. It'll

26:26

become a very sophisticated parlor trick.

26:29

Is the AI sentient? Does

26:31

it have a desire? Does the AI

26:34

want something? No, it

26:36

doesn't, and we don't know that it could ever. We

26:39

have no idea that

26:41

there is us. There's no possibility

26:43

that we could know that you could make a computer

26:45

system that has a desire

26:48

for something. It can do things we tell

26:50

it to do. It can do things that

26:52

it thinks we wanted to do, or it thinks it should

26:54

do on its own. But that's not the same thing as

26:56

like a motivating factor, like a like

26:58

a dream. Right, dream

27:01

is not just a random processing of

27:03

information in our brain. It's not just random.

27:05

It's some combination of

27:08

the pieces of information, right, and it's some

27:11

part of us that is putting them together in a certain

27:13

way. People in machines

27:15

aren't like one and the same if you just make a

27:18

machine that's complicated enough. So this idea

27:20

that like someday it will be fucking Skynet

27:23

from the Terminator movies is like kind

27:26

of a weird, bad human fantasy that has

27:28

been I don't know. To me, it feels like

27:31

a little bit of a childish view

27:34

of the technology because some like

27:36

James Cameron wrote a movie about

27:38

a machine to become sentient and wants to kill humans.

27:41

We have basically decided that that's what the

27:43

machine's going to do. The smarter

27:45

it becomes like, I

27:47

don't know, the machine's probably going to be

27:49

able to see the Terminator and

27:52

it'll probably be like, huh,

27:54

maybe I shouldn't do that. That seems like it ends

27:56

badly, Like it's not a good ending

27:58

for the machines.

28:00

You got a sequel first, and now that badly.

28:03

The best Terminator movie is Terminator three, starring

28:06

Claire Danes, And uh,

28:08

I'll take that one to my grave.

28:10

Wait, my favorite Aliens movie?

28:13

Yeah three?

28:14

Well, that's interesting. Fincher David

28:17

Fincher's first feature film.

28:18

I get shouted down by more people over

28:20

that, but.

28:21

You'll have to agree. You will agree with me. David Fincher's best

28:23

movie is Zodiac. Uh

28:26

probably probably, No, it can't be an

28:28

argument there.

28:29

I don't know Aliens three.

28:31

Man, you're saying Aliens three

28:33

is better than Zodiac. That's crazy. That's just

28:35

that.

28:35

Go back and revisit Aliens three out there, all

28:37

right? And Charles Charles Dutton staring

28:41

Dutton the alien saying before

28:44

that lead, come on, doesn't get men

28:46

of that?

28:46

All right? I do. It does make you want to revisit it.

28:48

I have to tell you that scene.

28:50

Charles Dutton, by the way, one of the great great

28:53

actors, never gets talked about.

28:54

Charles Dutton, Rock Rock, Whatever

28:56

happened to that show? You don't hear anything about.

28:58

Like a world class actor?

28:59

The stage incredible. Okay, hold

29:01

on, do we have we gone through all your questions? Uh?

29:04

Well, we didn't really cover as much

29:06

of the Uh what are you laughing at

29:08

me about?

29:09

No? Just I just I want to know what we did cover. I

29:11

just think it's funny.

29:12

Thanks exactly. Did you have you ever

29:14

actually sat down and read the fountain Head or at

29:17

last, No.

29:17

I wouldn't read that pornographythead

29:22

go back shad, who sucks?

29:24

I think I might have said this to you. There's a

29:27

fascinating early Mike Wallace

29:29

interview black and white with a

29:33

oh yeah, it's great, chilling,

29:35

so chilling.

29:36

He really puts it, puts her, you know, gives her

29:38

some tough questions, he.

29:39

Puts her through her paces. But one

29:41

of the most remarkable things about that interview,

29:43

and anybody who's listening. Really,

29:45

go go watch that interview. It will show

29:48

you unless you're an objectivist,

29:50

it'll show you

29:52

what a fraud this person was. A big thinker,

29:54

right, a great brain whatever, basically

29:57

says yeah, I just thought it up. Well,

29:59

I mean I just imagined this thing one

30:01

day when he starts asking her about

30:04

like, well, where do your inspirations come from? What are

30:06

the references? And she's like, just figure

30:08

that thought it up?

30:10

Well?

30:11

Is that all ideas? Isn't that all good and

30:13

bad? Just somebody thinking of an idea?

30:15

I suppose. But boy, that that many people

30:17

caught on then and continue to catch

30:20

on. It's just remarkable

30:22

to me.

30:22

Well, people like to hear things that make them feel

30:24

good about the way that they behave. So

30:27

you know the thing about somebody like Anne Rand

30:29

or Eying Rand, depending on who you talk to, is

30:32

you know, she's condones a lot of behavior that's

30:34

basically selfish and shitty and bad. And that's

30:36

what the Republicans do often, right, Like

30:39

it's about protecting your interests

30:41

versus other people's, or thinking about

30:43

a kind of space where other people

30:45

should be considered, which is, you know, in

30:48

essence, the behavior of a child.

30:50

Right, the behavior of a person

30:53

with a very limited range of understanding.

30:56

Which Wallace kind of gets into a little bit there.

30:58

Well, to get it it is.

31:00

I'll tell you you should create it. You should create an app the professor

31:03

recommends. And it's just because you've recommended

31:05

several pieces of content here during

31:07

this conversation, and all

31:10

they all are very interesting.

31:11

Sound by the way, I shot my wad.

31:12

That was it.

31:13

I got three.

31:14

I get multi to those were your those were your three

31:16

recommendations.

31:19

Like I said, that's all I had.

31:21

Well, soon you'll be shuffling off

31:23

this mortal coil and you won't have to worry about recommending.

31:25

Things anybody that was brutal.

31:28

Well, you know, just thinking about

31:31

it, since you brought it up at the beginning of the conversation.

31:33

Were you going to speak at my funeral?

31:35

My being asked, I would love to speak at your funeral.

31:37

I've got some big ideas.

31:38

I would love for you to get up and pontificate to

31:41

the point where this is what you're here in the audience.

31:44

Ah.

31:45

I was thinking about doing somebody a little more like a carrot

31:47

top type of routine, something with like props.

31:51

That really would be.

31:52

Funny, you know, just pulling some shit out of a bag.

31:55

You know what I'm getting a lot of comfort from in

31:58

the midst of my well. Is

32:00

it existential angst? I'm not sure if it's so

32:03

existential.

32:03

It's more angst or dread. It sounds to me

32:05

more like dread.

32:06

It's more dread. You're right, it's more dread.

32:08

Yeah, be careful, are

32:10

you know? They're close, but they're not exactly the same.

32:13

What I'm getting some comfort from, and I

32:15

mean it is images from

32:17

the web telescope.

32:18

Oh yeah, contemplating the vastness

32:21

of reality.

32:22

Talk about a spec.

32:25

Well, that's an interesting one.

32:26

Beyond the colors and the figures.

32:29

Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, there's so much

32:31

out there.

32:32

Well, you got to be careful though, because then you really start

32:35

to feel bad about yourself, about your insignificance

32:37

and the meaninglessness of all of your toils.

32:39

No, that that hasn't That hasn't

32:41

been the reaction. No, I look at it and go,

32:43

oh, should there be

32:46

another space,

32:48

time, continuum matrix

32:50

of it all?

32:51

Yeah?

32:51

Like I want to be out there

32:53

floating in the well.

32:54

Who knows what happens when you when you leave

32:57

your you know, your physical body,

32:59

you know, have you thought about have you said about getting

33:01

into video games? Though? Maybe if you really feel

33:03

I don't believe it, despondent.

33:05

Don't believe in it. Have you don't

33:07

believe in it? We talked about this before. I think

33:09

I recommend gaming to everybody. You don't

33:11

believe in blueberries. I don't believe in video

33:13

I.

33:13

Think I don't believe in blueberries. Is

33:15

this something that came up?

33:16

I believe you said this before. Last time we talked,

33:18

you one day chastised

33:21

me in a pleasant enough way.

33:23

You said this before I recollect

33:26

and I.

33:27

Was being foolish for believing in the anti arts.

33:29

I say, I chastised you for eating blueberry.

33:32

Believing in the antioxidant qualities

33:34

of blueberry.

33:35

Oh, yes, yes, I think that's probably some kind

33:37

of scam. I'm gonna have to it's that that to

33:39

me. Whenever I hear whenever somebody.

33:40

Says, that is a scam to you,

33:43

but AI is a positive thing.

33:45

Whenever I hear somebody say, no, I didn't

33:47

say that. I'm just saying that. I think we.

33:48

I think we going to quote the great mystic

33:51

mister t I pity the fool.

33:53

No, whenever anybody says anything

33:55

about a food, no matter what it is, any

33:58

quality the food is supposed to have, I immediately

34:01

think there's a complex

34:03

system of bullshit that led

34:05

to this moment, and and whatever it is.

34:07

I'm sure the blueberries are healthy. I

34:10

have no doubt broccoli is very healthy.

34:12

I'm sure there's all sorts of shit that's really good for you. But

34:14

I just feel like getting putting too much.

34:16

What's too much?

34:17

Too much faith in the ability of a

34:19

single item, a food item.

34:22

You'd rather any

34:24

kind of people behind a kind of meaningful,

34:28

healthful reaction.

34:30

I think it's just like, is misguided. I think

34:32

it's misguided. I don't think you know,

34:34

I don't believe in the Beatles. I just believe in me, I guess

34:36

is what I'm saying.

34:38

God, that's another one. Please write that down.

34:40

No, that's fucking John Lennon said that.

34:42

Oh, oh that's right.

34:43

I think it's actually in a song.

34:44

I don't know enough about the Beatles.

34:46

Excuse me, Oh really, no, I

34:48

think it's I want to say it's in a song.

34:50

I listen to the Beatles, but I don't like I don't

34:52

quote the Beatles clearly.

34:53

Some of Lennon's solo stuff is really pretty

34:55

fucking amazing.

35:07

Do you remember when Paul McCartney death

35:09

hoaks happened?

35:10

Oh he's still alive. Interesting, But do you.

35:12

Remember the DJ and Detroit

35:14

who started that rumor about Paul McCarty.

35:17

Yeah, yeah, I think about AI doing that

35:19

just widespread. Yeah,

35:22

what are we going to do? What are we going to do?

35:23

Buy into it?

35:25

Praise for impact?

35:26

I don't know. You're vacillating now. I don't understand.

35:28

I'm not quite clear.

35:29

Are joking? I'm joking. What's gonna happen?

35:31

Oh wait, I have a question?

35:32

Shut than shot?

35:36

Please shut up? Please just show do

35:38

you?

35:40

I love listening to you speaking like, shut the fuck

35:42

up?

35:42

I didn't say the F word. Why

35:47

is it professor positive?

35:50

When it comes to AI, does

35:52

it just seems to be in the hands

35:54

of diabolical people?

35:56

Yeah?

35:56

And we on the left are

35:59

always, you know, under

36:01

the sword of demos,

36:05

and the guys on the right seem

36:07

to use it to their advantage.

36:10

Yeah, because this is the classic bringing

36:12

a knife to a gunfight situation, Like

36:15

democrats are I.

36:16

Mean, but do you really think they're going to stand

36:19

down at some point and say, all right, your turn? Who

36:22

the guys on they're only going to get

36:24

better at it, They're going to get more efficient and brutal.

36:26

Well the fucking but no. But the other side is like the Joker,

36:29

you know, like they're like, what

36:31

is it? No, you know the joker from.

36:33

Batman a joke, the guy from the they call

36:35

the Center for Denver Nuggets.

36:37

The Joker keep going, well, I wouldn't know anything about

36:39

that because I hate sports. You

36:41

know. He's like an agent of chaos, right, He's

36:43

like, just it does? What the fuck? Ever? I think that's

36:45

Uh, you can't have like a rational

36:48

this is this is like the Nazi thing, right, This

36:50

is like the the you can't be tolerant

36:52

of the intolerant, right, you can practice

36:55

tolerance, right, that's a good thing. But

36:57

then when you go, well, but I have to be tall,

37:00

are into people who think that I should not exist,

37:02

Then you reach a kind of like a threshold.

37:05

And I think that I don't describe that at at all.

37:07

That's where I go back to taking

37:09

the leg you're not standing on and beating somebody over the

37:11

head with keeping.

37:12

Yeah, but there's a whole there's a whole set of

37:14

people that are like, we're trying to

37:16

participate in this like thing called reality

37:19

and in in truth. And remember

37:22

we're not perfect all the time. And there's a bunch of shitty democrats

37:25

and people on the left who are just as stupid and

37:27

bad as people on the right. But there

37:29

are limits to and

37:32

and ways of being that

37:34

they will never go into. They will never be like,

37:37

let's exterminate an entire set

37:40

of people, like they're just not going to say that. They're

37:42

On the other hand, on the flip side, there are people who

37:44

are like, we should have an only like

37:46

a totally white nation, like just

37:48

a crazy, unhinged, fucking anti

37:52

humanity statement.

37:53

Well that does border on extermination

37:56

or right or just like sending

37:58

people off in boats.

38:00

You can't have like a healthy debate with those people.

38:02

Yes, because they're going to take every They're

38:04

going to take every possibility, everything

38:07

they can use to create an environment

38:09

of shit. They're going to do

38:11

it because they don't care. It's

38:13

kind of in sync with a lot of the religious

38:16

thinking of like this world

38:18

doesn't matter, this life doesn't matter, and that there's

38:20

something better waiting for you.

38:22

Yes, absolutely, Mike Pants believes

38:24

in Yeah, we're you.

38:25

Know, it's like why the why do the evangelicals

38:27

follow a guy like Donald Trump? Some

38:30

of the worst terrorists in America are Evangelical

38:32

Christians. Like, why we

38:34

should interrogate that. Yeah, there's it's

38:37

just like any fundamentalist terrorism.

38:39

But as a matter of fact, they want it to come the rapture.

38:42

Yeah, right, exactly, there's this weird uh

38:45

it's a death cult. Right anyhow,

38:47

God, we're way, we're so far afield. I don't even know what

38:49

we're talking about it anymore, but.

38:51

I think he's been fascinating. Oh well, I

38:53

mean, we'd certainly like to talk like top shelf

38:56

stuff.

38:57

I mean, I don't know.

38:58

I can't tell anymore our

39:00

business. You're you're the cove to me. You're

39:02

the covasier Okay of podcasts?

39:05

Is that good? I'd rather be the top shelf.

39:07

What's that very expensive whiskey?

39:10

It's like Pappy Pappy

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van Winkle.

39:14

Oh, there is a thing called Pappy van Winkle.

39:16

Yeah, Patty van Winkle is like the most expensive whiskey

39:18

you can buy. It's like a very rare special.

39:21

It's like a it's five thousand dollars a

39:23

bottle or something. Wow. Yeah,

39:25

I'm the Pappy van Winkle of podcasting.

39:28

If this podcast clicks

39:30

like in a big way, it's not going

39:32

to We're just rolling in

39:34

the dough. Yeah, oh, I think I'm

39:36

going to buy you a bottle that I.

39:38

Guess they haven't haven't given you the numbers. I

39:41

don't think you're in any danger of buying me a bottle of Pappy

39:43

Van Winkle. Let's put it that way.

39:45

Maybe a shot glass of Pappy.

39:47

Van Winkle maybe, yea, I think that's

39:49

that's possible.

39:50

Do we have anything else? Do you have anything for me?

39:53

For you? Yeah, well I'm

39:55

want to I know, I you know it's I'm scared.

39:58

I'm scared scared, And

40:01

yeah, why I don't understand. Don't

40:04

get it such a rube. Listen,

40:06

you're a successful man. You've

40:08

you've more than proven your value. You've more

40:10

than proven your your worth. You've you've made incredible

40:12

things you continue to

40:14

influence to this day. You

40:17

have a circle of friends that love

40:19

and adore you and think the world of you.

40:21

Get a little choked up, get a little misty.

40:23

And employees that fear you, that cower and

40:25

fear. I've seen them in person. They

40:28

absolutely don't even want to walk a little

40:30

bit in front of you because they're they're afraid they'll get

40:32

knocked down.

40:33

Don't look at me, don't eyeball me. I think

40:35

often I say to them, don't I ball me.

40:37

What I would ask you is what's missing? What don't you

40:39

have? What did you want that you haven't

40:41

gotten? You know, where is it? What is it?

40:43

Oh? God, I wish I could hansle that on the air.

40:45

I mean, name one thing that you wanted that you

40:48

haven't gotten.

40:49

Ugh, I can't pony in my backyard.

40:51

I often use that expression.

40:53

You could have it, though, nothing stomping you. Nothing stomping

40:55

you.

40:56

By the way, I did say that to a friend of mine one time,

40:59

who I will not name him.

41:00

But the next day, there's a pony in your backyard.

41:03

He sent a pony into my office right exactly,

41:05

This is what I'm talking about. He did have a woman bring

41:07

a pony by and parade up and down

41:09

my hallway for about an hour.

41:11

You live in the life of a king. What

41:13

is it?

41:14

Just?

41:14

I want you to say, I want to know. I

41:16

really want to know one thing you wanted

41:19

or that you've wanted really badly, truly,

41:21

that you have not been able to.

41:22

Get Uh,

41:26

let's end it on this one. Yeah,

41:29

having a dad would have been good. Okay,

41:32

that's you asked for it. I gave him

41:34

to. I mean that's

41:37

good.

41:39

As a guy with a father, I got to say, it's not that great.

41:41

I mean

41:43

he's fine. He's fine.

41:44

By the way, wherever your dad is right now, he wins

41:47

and he said to he said to your mom, he's

41:49

like, ugh, just so I

41:51

got a little adjutant my like my

41:53

roop case.

41:54

They the more the more

41:56

criticism in my family, the better, to be honest

41:58

with you, he's in embracing it.

42:00

Well, maybe I should spend more time with your dad.

42:02

Well you didn't know your You didn't know your dad at all.

42:04

Oh, let's not go there now, let's.

42:06

Get into it. Now, let's do it. No another two hours,

42:09

solve your all.

42:10

Your mother would be nice to have had. Yeah,

42:13

Like, okay, I was raised in

42:15

a single parent fantastic

42:18

mother household.

42:19

Yeah, and look at look at what it look

42:21

at what it made you. So you wouldn't

42:23

be if you're with a dad, you might not be you to

42:25

be honest, you know, think about it.

42:27

But mister butterfly effect, look

42:29

at the the thing you be killed they called

42:31

the butterfly effect. Right, yeah, there we go.

42:33

Well, no, but it's true. I mean, I'm sure it drove

42:36

you in all sorts of a different ways, just like all of my

42:38

failings and my needs and wants have driven

42:40

me in different ways.

42:42

Oh, I got one final question for you. Just

42:44

popped in my head earlier in the day. Let's do it early

42:46

in the conversation.

42:47

I'm ready.

42:48

You are king of the

42:50

world. Okay, you're omniscient,

42:53

You're omnipotent.

42:55

All right?

42:56

You are borderline

42:59

godlike?

43:00

Am I immortal?

43:01

No? That has nothing doing well?

43:04

I mean a god would be immortal, in my opinion.

43:05

Said borderline.

43:07

Okay, I'm omnipotent. I'm omniscient,

43:10

but not immortal.

43:11

Okay, all right, not immortal, borderline

43:14

god?

43:14

Like I have an expiry date.

43:16

You have one thing to fix

43:19

in the world. What would

43:21

you fix one thing? I

43:23

mean, like, can an agonize.

43:24

A mean thing? What do you mean thing?

43:26

Though?

43:26

Like?

43:27

Do you cure cancer? Do you get rid

43:29

of guns? Do you stop war? Do

43:31

you it's only is it only physical things? Or can I

43:33

like remove a component of humanity?

43:35

Oh?

43:35

Yeah, you can do that too. You're a near godlike

43:38

you can do pretty much whatever you want. One

43:41

thing you alter, change, eradicate

43:45

one.

43:46

Here's what I would change, I think. I think it would

43:50

you know, who knows if it was only one thing,

43:52

who knows if it would work. I would

43:54

make it so that every person could

43:57

understand or sympathize with another

44:00

person. I would make it so that everybody was able

44:03

to feel empathetic towards another person.

44:05

That's the thing I would change, that there was a

44:08

sense of empathy for another person whenever

44:10

they interacted with them in

44:12

a desire to empathize with them.

44:16

I think that thing would probably fix a

44:18

lot of our problems in society.

44:20

I don't think like removing guns, somebody

44:22

would just make a laser like you know

44:24

what I mean, Like, they'd make up, they'd use

44:26

bombs, they'd use bows and arrows like or whatever.

44:29

I'm not saying, like it's that's the same thing. But guns

44:31

would fix a problem temporarily, but not permanently.

44:34

A permanent fix would be like if you could

44:36

empathize with another person, If everybody

44:38

could empathize with the people around them, even

44:40

the people that seem to suck, I think

44:43

it would go a long way, you know, or

44:45

like you know, I don't know erased the emotion of hate,

44:47

but I don't think that's I'm not sure that would

44:49

have the result we wanted to be honest.

44:52

Okay, anyhow, I.

44:53

Don't know what would you do if you were omniscient and

44:55

omnipotent, soft

44:58

and cuddly, what would you do? What would

45:00

you your one act?

45:01

My one act?

45:01

Big man?

45:03

Yeah, big man, you sound

45:05

like Dennis Hopper and Apocalypse. Now

45:07

what do you want me to say it was a wise man?

45:11

What?

45:12

Yeah, I didn't think about you turning the tables

45:14

on me.

45:15

That's right, baby, check it out. You're got to answer

45:17

this fucking question. Now, look at you, you're in the spotlight.

45:19

Well, there's so many things. You know, there's the obvious

45:22

you'd cure diseases, But uh,

45:24

I do think that, as difficult as it

45:27

is to say, there's there's a Darwinian

45:29

nature to life that you you

45:31

maybe shouldn't fuck with. No,

45:34

I would say, honestly, I think it's

45:36

the rain in the internet.

45:41

Yes, I do.

45:41

I mean, like comparison, mind's

45:44

way way better. I think it's like not even

45:46

I can't even calculate how much cooler and better.

45:48

My answer was to this, you're

45:51

holier than I'm in.

45:54

I love people.

45:55

Look at TikTok last if that's the one thing. God,

45:58

now you're just now you're denigrating. That's

46:01

this is not a nice way.

46:02

They looked

46:05

at their photo. There was a timer saying enough

46:07

Internet.

46:07

I think the Internet is the end

46:10

of the world.

46:10

Now you just think that because you're aging.

46:13

I think an unregulated Internet

46:15

is the end of the world. That's what I think.

46:18

Regulated, unregulated, That's not our problem.

46:21

Our problem is us. It's not that thing

46:23

we think. We always want to put it in the object.

46:26

We always want to say it's the thing that makes

46:28

it. So.

46:29

You think people are gonna get smarter, more

46:31

educated.

46:32

People thought when they put radios in cars that people

46:34

are gonna drive off the fucking road because

46:36

they were so mesmerized by the magic

46:38

box producing music that they couldn't steer

46:40

the car. And you know, it probably

46:42

did cause a few accidents, But over time

46:45

we learned to change the channel

46:47

without plowing into a family.

46:49

I'm duly chastised. I'm gonna take

46:51

mine back. I'm gonna take mine.

46:53

Back all right.

46:55

Here is what I wish for the future.

46:57

What I would change, What you would change

46:59

as a godlike creature.

47:01

As a godlike creature, we

47:03

would eat lollipops every day. We

47:07

would all have ponies in our backyard.

47:09

Okay, let's say several things.

47:12

I'm condescending right now to you. We

47:14

would have you'd wish wealth,

47:17

great wealth on everybody, great

47:19

emotional and physical

47:21

monetary wealth.

47:22

Yeah, you're mocking me.

47:24

Now get eight hours of sleep a night.

47:26

You know. It's funny, you're mocking me, but we agree. I

47:29

am mocking you, but we ultimately agree.

47:31

By the way, I'm going to go back, I think there's far

47:33

more empathy in the world than you might think.

47:35

I'm not saying there's there's plenty of empathy,

47:38

just not enough. Just not enough. There

47:40

isn't if we could, if people were empathetic, they

47:42

wouldn't act the way they act. It's

47:44

hard, it's hard. It's hard to imagine what it's

47:46

like for somebody else. But I think that the

47:48

more we can do that, the better off humanity

47:51

is.

47:51

Actually, you sold me on it. I agree with you.

47:53

I hate to be like all lovey dovey fucking

47:55

hippie.

47:56

It was a little hippi hippiush for you.

47:57

But no, I know I'm disgusted with myself

48:00

for even saying that's just that. I'm like, everybody

48:02

should be horny all the time. You know,

48:04

No, I'm on board now. You sold

48:06

it to me. I I sounded like a

48:09

rube. I sounded like mister

48:11

ten sixty is what I sounded like. And

48:13

uh and then it's just like, just like the

48:15

idea of that, You're like, if we could just live at the internet,

48:18

will be like if we can just

48:20

like you know, cancel America online,

48:23

nobody can get an account on AOL.

48:25

We're all set, all right, Okay,

48:28

no more, I'm shamed, almighty.

48:31

Shut It's a very lovely

48:34

It's kind of lovely. It's funny.

48:36

You're like, just put the phone down.

48:38

I'm off.

48:39

Put the fucking phone.

48:40

I'm often described as lovely. All

48:42

right, anything else? When are we next talking?

48:45

I don't know. I hope soon, because

48:47

it's I can't go for too long without a little bit of

48:49

this in my life.

48:50

All right, professor says, how

48:53

do you well?

48:54

Once again, your interruption has been my

48:56

pleasure.

48:58

Okay,

49:04

Well, that that

49:07

that I think is our show.

49:09

I think that we've done far more

49:11

than anyone was expecting to do.

49:14

I had a whole show planned. In fact,

49:16

I was going to spend several hours talking about

49:18

my travel anxiety. But you

49:21

know, I think there obviously, I think what we've learned there are more

49:23

important things to focus

49:25

on in this in this world and in this life,

49:29

and we focused on some

49:31

of those things just now. I'm

49:33

not sure that. I'm not sure why, I'm

49:36

not sure how, But as

49:38

usual, the Professor made it happen. All

49:41

right. I got to get out of here,

49:43

I got to have a lot to think about. But

49:46

we'll be back next week with more what future,

49:49

And as always, I wish you and your family the very

49:52

best