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Hey, and welcome to What Future.

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I'm your host, Joshua Zapolski, and

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today we have a

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very mysterious, very spectral,

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very creepy, very

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unhinged, unsettling,

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spooky show. It

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will leave you feeling spooked

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and unsettled. I'm trying to think of synonyms

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for things that make people feel uncomfortable and

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creeped out. I can't really think of any. That's

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my problem though. That's because I didn't graduate high

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school. If I had done that, I would have a larger

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vocabulary and I'd be able to communicate more effectively

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to the listener. Unfortunately, you get this

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dumbed down, third grade ass

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version of the show, and you know what, that's on me.

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That is on me.

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But today we do have a really fun

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show, and I've been excited to have this conversation.

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I've been listening to a podcast

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called Hi Strange, which is hosted

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by a man named Payne Lindsay. And

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Paine does all these different shows. He's done a bunch of true

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crime stuff, and he

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is kind of fascinating guy and

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super fun to listen to, and I wanted to talk to him because

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the show is the show he's working on now that he's

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just done, is about you know, a

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boy UFOs, but UFOs as I call them.

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Nobody else calls them that, but I like to. And

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as a lifetime lover of science fiction

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and creepy shit, I

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found what he's doing to just be super compelling,

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and so I wanted to talk to him about what the hell is going

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on with UFOs and aliens

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and if we're being invaded? And

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so we got him on the show. So

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let's get into this conversation. Have

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you ever considered doing a

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late night like radio show where you

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take calls from people and give

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them advice and it's called something like bring the Pain.

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Have you ever considered?

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No?

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But now I am the concept

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rights itself. Sorry, I just had

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that very dumb idea night. Do I owe you

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anything if I use that?

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I mean, honestly, I would just I

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think it'd be cool, Like if you did

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it that, then I might want a little

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something like a couple of points on the backhand or whatever.

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Right, Well I did say it first.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's just I mean whatever, you

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know, just I could be maybe I could come on sometimes

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it's like a sidekick and give my take on the advice,

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like i'd be give like the counterpoint, right, that's

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that would be fair, right, you bring the pain that.

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I'm like, just Josh and I come on and I'll make

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a joke about the whole thing. Now, we're like, yeah,

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our names are confunction as words, at least

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audibly.

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We're gonna get into it.

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We're gonna get into UFOs, although they're not called UFOs

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anymore correct.

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They're called what are they called it?

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They say UAP. Now, yeah, like UAP

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sounds more credible. It's like an unidentified

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airborne phenomenon.

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Is some what it is? Aerial phenomenon?

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Aerial phinness?

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Okay, welltty, that's pretty

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close.

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Same.

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But before doing

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High Strange, which is your latest podcast,

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which explores UFOs or UAPs

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depending on who you talk to, you've

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done a ton of true crime stuff and the

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stuff you've done is pretty heavy, some pretty

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heavy shit. So how have you How did you end up

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in that world? Like what led you there?

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I was in my mid twenties and

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I was doing freelance video

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work, commercials and music

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videos, and I was just getting burnt out

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creatively and also financially,

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and I wanted to create

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my own thing, a big

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endeavor to tackle. And

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I had this crazy idea one day in my apartment,

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having watched numerous true crime

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documentaries, like what if I

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made one of those?

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Is that possible? How would you even do that?

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So I just went down that path and eventually

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decided to make a podcast instead because it

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was really as a proof of

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concept. I wanted to make a TV

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show or a documentary, and I was like, well, I

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can make a podcast in my apartment for

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one hundred bucks versus you know, a

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fancy TV show, and maybe if I can

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get this off the ground and it

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works, then that would lead me to the next step.

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That was a simple idea. That was it, and

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then from there I just.

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I guess I've been doing it ever since, right

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You're like, oh, hey, why don't I just do this?

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Yes, instead of whatever I was doing, And then

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you just did it and it turned out to

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be pretty successful. I mean, people,

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a lot of people have listened to the stuff that you've done. But

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you're not your background's not and like you didn't like go

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to school for investigative

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journalism or I did not.

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You didn't.

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You're not like a active like you don't you don't

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have a badge.

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I'm not a real investigator, right,

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well, I mean play one.

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I mean, if you were to an investigation to identify

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the perpetrator, you couldn't arrest

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them because.

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That's snitch full of cops, right,

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you have.

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You couldn't do a citizen's arrest, which I don't even know, Like

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citizens arrest is not even a real thing?

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Is that it ever real? I mean that was like an idea, right.

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I don't know. It's interesting, like we I don't know about

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you. I've lived my whole life thinking that there was a form

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of this thing called a citizen's arrest

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that a person could do where they go, yeah, I mean

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they grab somebody and they're like, you've committed a crime,

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and now I'm you're under arrest, and

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I guess hold you until like hold on to you

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until the police get there.

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Like what did you do? Yeah?

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Yeah, doesn't make sense really be able

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to carry cops around unless they're doing

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this. Yeah yeah, right, I don't know who's

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doing it. Hey, listen, here's a topic for your next

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investigative podcast. Citizens

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arrest up. Put that that's an.

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Easily ten and I'm doing them.

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And then the first one I do, I get arrested and

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you're season

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you.

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Just exploring the concept of doing a citizens

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The rest is me for jail saying this. I

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knew this was a bad idea, but I didn't think it would

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be this bad.

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Right right. I like that. I love that.

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In fact, you've got to listen, there's so much new material

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to work with now. I'm glad to just be a place

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where you can generate new ideas.

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Oh hey, this is great, this is I needed

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this.

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I lived to serve. So okay,

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So High Strange is your latest

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show. It centers on alien

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phenomena, like whether it's abductions

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or encounters or a lot

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of it is about like sightings of

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some kind of like flying objects. There's

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been a ton of like noise about

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that lately. There's been these like videos released by

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the I guess by the Navy or

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the Air Force from like pilots

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from like pilot's planes where they're just seeing like crazy

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shit. So tell me how you ended up deciding

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to do I mean, obviously there's a big mystery here,

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so you clearly like mysteries, But how did

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you land on Like, Okay, I'm gonna go from doing like a

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show about you know, a serial

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killer who you know, kills children

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to what's up with UFOs?

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Like that's sort of a.

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Not a hard pivot or anything, but it's not you

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know, it's not exactly like, it's not exactly true

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that like a person who's interested in like a true crime

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story about like an unsolved murder

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might also be interested in UFOs,

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So like, yeah, how does that happen?

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I mean I always love the topic as

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a kid. Just the idea of

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you know, what if you know, are we alone?

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That kind of thing was an exciting

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thought to me. And I was just a

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fan of sci fi genre

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and you know, Steven Spielberg all

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that stuff, And you know, I've

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seen all these recent news stories and just

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seeing the conversation around UFOs

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in general kind of taking

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a shift and kind of

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heating up a little bit, and you know, different

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perspectives are entering the room and new

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accounts and it's like, okay, why is this

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like coming back? You know, it'd be

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a cool idea to do a podcast on that. And

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then it wasn't until I started really

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poking around and looking

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into it more seriously than I realized

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that there actually is something

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really meaty here that is unexplained,

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and that seemed like it was worth

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trying to crack. You were like, maybe

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I can finally solve this. If

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I can find the aliens, then I'm

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rich. Well yeah, obviously, I

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mean, or you're dead or you're dead.

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Yeah, I mean if you could find dead Pain, I think you're

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either rich or dead or people are like no, one believes

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this guy.

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He's a crackpot, Like.

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I'm dead, someone else is rich. Off the documentary

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they made about me doing.

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No Then you're the subject of a true crime

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documentary about who killed Pain?

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Who really killed Pain? And that guy's right?

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Was it the aliens? Was it the government? Here

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you go, another great idea. You have to die for

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that one, But I think it's it'll on the long run, it'll be

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worthy.

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Only get one should only die once. So that's

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that's true.

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Well, I don't know, maybe the aliens have some technology

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we don't know about. But like so I've been listening

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to I've listened to a bunch of it and actually was just

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listening to the roundtable you have like this, uh, I

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guess end of season sort of roundtable conversation

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about the episodes.

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And you know, let me just say

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a couple of things.

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I was listening episode after episode after episode,

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like and by the fourth or fifth episode, I

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started to be like, you

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know, this is fucking bullshit, like

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like like like this is not not because

9:17

of your not because of the way you were doing

9:20

it, but like I was like, first off,

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the way you do the podcast, and it's very good.

9:23

It's really engaging in super entertaining.

9:25

It's really like it

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feels like to me, if you're like a fan of

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like shit like the X Files, or if you I

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assume you know who Art Bell is. Like I used to listen

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to art Bell like back in the day, and

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I was like, this is the greatest shit. Like you put it on, like you're driving

9:38

late at night, art Bell comes on it. It's like the vibe

9:40

ultimate creep fast while you're on like a

9:42

fucking dark road or whatever, right, and that's

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the vibe of I feel like of high strange.

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It's very art Bell, not like bullshit

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like Cloud Cuckoo laand but like kind of that

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stylistic it's like kind of

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scary. It's kind of scary, like there are parts of it that are really

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creepy, and I enjoy that.

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But there was a part of me.

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That's like, you know, having been in like music production obviously,

10:02

like I have a podcast, I'm kind of like, all right,

10:05

Like they're like bringing up the fucking growling synth

10:07

sound here, and like the guy's talking about the

10:09

fucking bright light hitting them and shit, and I'm

10:11

like, yeah, this is all very compelling, like from

10:13

a dramatic perspective, we get it, get I'm

10:16

but like but like I'm like, but what the fuck is this guy

10:18

really talking about? You know, like do we

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really are we really supposed to believe that

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in in Snowflake with

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Arizona, is that where it is? No, yeah,

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right, yep, this is my prevailing thought.

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That's where the Aliens decided to touch

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down. They needed to go to Arizona

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to this like logging region and abduct

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like some dude who jumped out of a pickup

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had to do it right, And a lot

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of this stuff is like it's weirdly very American,

10:44

Like a lot of these sightings. I don't know if you've full it

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feels that way, like on

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the surface for sure that it's you know,

10:51

could quite possibly be some American

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folklore thing, right right,

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but but it really actually it isn't.

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Uh, it's it's been happening

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everywhere in every country for a

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long time.

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It's just right.

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You know, we have our own sort of memory of

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it, and our own sort of American

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history of you know, ros Will and all these things that

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happened since then, but those versions

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of that too, in every big

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country out there.

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It listened.

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I mean, it's not just that it's the American or whatever,

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but it is. I started to think, like, Okay, well,

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I'm listening to these these stories, and these people are like

11:24

sound very like you interviewed

11:26

this guy who was abducted or says he was abducted

11:29

basically, and and you know, he

11:31

doesn't sound like he's having a good time. Like

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it doesn't sound like he's doing it because he's

11:35

trying to get rich and famous.

11:37

He sounds like pretty upset about it.

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So like, you know, and as you listen

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to someone talk about that, you go, okay, well

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why would anybody you.

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Know, Yeah, so what's the alternative to you? Like,

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what's the what's the rational alternative?

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Yeah? I don't know, Like they fucking those

11:52

guys actually like took some acid. They were having a

11:54

good time, They like dropped some acid they

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had a shared experience, like a shared hallucination.

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Dude went wandering in the forest for five days

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because he was like still high or whatever, and then like

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felt like he had I mean, the human mind.

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This is where I come back to with all of this stuff. It's like the human

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mind is capable of very

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wild leaps, like you know, like

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love sure like on its own right,

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due to lots of different reasons, for lots of different reasons, whether

12:17

it's like a chemical imbalance or like you

12:19

know, if you don't if you don't sleep for a certain amount of days,

12:21

or if you don't drink enough water, like you can really

12:23

like get pretty out there.

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But I'm not trying to.

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Accuse these people of like re videos

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and having to But I'm just saying there are explanations.

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The thing that seems like the least likely explanation.

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This is where I was like, there are

12:35

parts where I'm like, Okay, this is very compelling

12:38

evidence.

12:38

This is very interesting.

12:39

Like you'd hear these Navy, the Air Force guys

12:41

or whatever talking about m H these

12:44

like these things they saw and

12:46

they're like we had to tell people,

12:48

like we had to get the word out like this is crazy or whatever,

12:50

and you're like, okay, yeah, fair, Like these guys are up in

12:52

the planes like they this must be really fucking

12:54

crazy to them, and who else is going to

12:56

tell us like if something seems weird up there,

12:58

like they're the guys, right, But then

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I'm like, I don't know,

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like how come this is all we've got basically

13:06

right, like like we have these like weird

13:08

shreds of and I know, like it could be

13:10

the government's hiding it because you do this whole thing on

13:12

Roswell and but like

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you do you really believe? I guess what I'm saying

13:16

is do you really believe?

13:19

This?

13:19

Is my roundabout way of just grilling you on like

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that there are extraterrestrial

13:23

life forms visiting planet

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Earth? Not just Arizona

13:29

obviously, but parts of Arizona and like

13:31

the skies above. I forget where the planes were

13:33

flying, but like Hawaii or something. Maybe

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Is that what this is is that the explanation these are actually

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like some kind of creature,

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some being some intelligent life form

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that's like zipping down to Earth to check

13:45

shit out.

13:45

I think it's more than one thing.

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I think that on some accounts

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there may have been live extraterrestrial

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bodies in some sort of craft that

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came on Earth or in the Earth's

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atmosphere. I think sometimes it's

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probably some sort of drone, the same

14:02

way some unmanned thing that

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isn't from Earth per se.

14:09

You think the stuff that those pilots are seen are basically drones.

14:12

Those I think are drones.

14:13

That the way that they've kind of they looked

14:15

and they're behaving, it doesn't look

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like there's anything inside them, like I mean, there

14:20

could be, but right, you know, it just kind

14:22

of begs the question of Okay, well, then whose are

14:24

they? Is it our blunder

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of a national intelligence.

14:30

Like is China it's

14:33

just trying to have a really advanced to us by like

14:35

fifty years, like how

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when? But see, that's a much more likely explanation,

14:39

isn't it?

14:40

Is it more likely?

14:41

Or is it more that's a much more likely explanation,

14:43

I mean like likely or familiar. Well,

14:45

I mean, let's just think about the facts like digestible.

14:48

Well, it's like kind of like God, right, Like, I mean,

14:50

you could make an argument that there's some phenomena that

14:53

occurs or like what the reason the seashells have

14:55

the you know, whatever pattern they have is like because

14:57

that's God at work. But like the more likely

14:59

explanation that we can actually get some evidence

15:01

on is like, well, that's like

15:04

a you know, series of like things

15:06

that have happened over millions of years, like to like

15:08

the physical properties of this evolution of

15:10

this thing or whatever. You know, we can look at like the science

15:12

a bit and say is it if you ask me,

15:14

like, all right, more likely the Chinese

15:17

have invented or some other country or someone

15:19

or even our government has

15:22

invented a super sophisticated

15:25

drone to spy on things.

15:29

I mean that I think they have done that. I

15:31

think that sometimes they.

15:33

Have the ones that we know about, but there are

15:35

may be ones we don't know about that they're fucking with now,

15:37

right, Like they the stealth like the stealth bomber

15:39

right for a long time was like this kind of like myth

15:42

mythical thing that they said like they weren't

15:44

doing or whatever. Yeah, but is it

15:46

more likely that it's like some super advanced piece of

15:48

technology that like our government is testing maybe

15:50

even on their own pilots to see how they react, or

15:53

it's a alien being

15:55

sent down a drone just to probe

15:59

Earth in this particular way, and there's not

16:01

a lot of other evidence, you know,

16:03

like why are they around the planes

16:05

at all? Like would be a question I get,

16:07

Like maybe they're trying to say why. It's a tough

16:09

to if you're going to swallow the pill of okay,

16:11

it's this.

16:13

Yeah, we can't think about it through the lens of

16:15

how we're thinking necessarily. I mean,

16:18

you're so advanced that you're coming from a place that

16:20

we cannot see or debating

16:22

it on a podcast today whether or not it's

16:24

even real, then clearly

16:27

we're the small.

16:28

Fry here, like right or like one hundred.

16:30

I mean, sometimes we don't get too or

16:33

there's a lot of other things we don't understand either.

16:35

Yeah,

16:45

there are other explanations that are fucking crazy

16:47

that I might actually say are possibly

16:50

more likely, Like, for instance, is

16:52

it more likely that the

16:54

aliens are sending down a probe that we is

16:57

just so advanced, or we're

16:59

living in a city simulation and

17:01

the probes are like some glitch in

17:04

the fucking program. Or Now,

17:06

by the way, I don't necessarily subscribe to the simulation

17:08

theory, but like I don't

17:10

know that in some way seems more likely

17:13

to be and I don't know why. But then again

17:15

on the why if if it was a simulation, why don't

17:17

we have aliens? Like why don't we have aliens? Like why

17:19

aren't there like real good aliens showing up like

17:21

Independence Day stuff?

17:22

That's like the that's like the why me?

17:24

Like, is it like what if it was so vast

17:27

that we were literally nothing?

17:29

Like what you mean?

17:30

I'm saying, like what if billions

17:34

of other planets that had

17:36

life like ours, maybe

17:38

on a podcast saying the same shit right,

17:41

Like.

17:41

Oh, for sure, there's some fucking tentacled

17:43

aliens doing a podcast on their planet

17:46

and.

17:46

It all like why aren't you coming to check us out?

17:48

Well, they don't even know we exist, because we're like a planet,

17:50

like a rock somewhere that they are not even

17:52

interested in. I mean, that is the question is like what

17:54

is the nature of this thing? It is like they're

17:57

obviously not visible to us in any meaningful way

17:59

if they were some other creature. I mean, to your

18:01

point though, about what if we're like

18:03

one of billions of like intelligent

18:06

beings in the universe. I think correct

18:09

me if I'm wrong, But the going concept is

18:11

that's most likely, right, we can't even fathom

18:13

the vastness of space and all of the

18:15

things.

18:15

Yeah, it's all.

18:16

The statistically, that's realistic

18:20

to a degree that it exists.

18:22

Well, the other.

18:23

Explanation is a religious one. I

18:25

think the alternate explanation is

18:27

like, we're put here by a special

18:30

being who wanted us to exist. Therefore we're

18:32

the only one. I think if

18:34

these are aliens, I would say it's bad

18:36

news for religious people.

18:38

Generally speaking, it

18:40

is, and I think that's kind of a problem. I think that's that's

18:42

why it's so touchy for

18:45

some people. And it's like, even if you're

18:47

not super religious, if you just you know, you

18:50

have a certain way of thinking about

18:52

the world and how you operate

18:54

on a daily basis. This

18:57

definitely pokes at the and

18:59

that it's uncomfortable, you know. It's like,

19:02

I don't want to reshape the way that I view

19:04

the universe and my existence, right.

19:07

Right, I mean, I think without question, the single

19:09

biggest moment for us as humans

19:12

would be to discover that there is

19:14

like it have to be right, Yeah, something like

19:16

us that is in us, that exists in the universe

19:18

that we have no awareness

19:21

or control over it. I mean, and maybe that's

19:23

like to the point of a lot of the stuff that you talk

19:25

about on the show, Like maybe that's why

19:28

people can't get at this information, like

19:30

you know, but I feel like, listen, I mean, you know, didn't

19:33

they have to brief Trump on this shit? Don't

19:35

you think Donald Trump, if you got briefed on the aliens?

19:37

I don't think the presidents know shit really,

19:40

be honest, I think the absolutely not.

19:42

Now you don't think Biden is down there in area

19:44

fifty one?

19:45

Like I think maybe some presidents at

19:47

some point one time were briefed on

19:49

little nuggets of things here and there. Right,

19:52

I think the biggest uh like misconception

19:55

is that the government knows everything. I

19:57

think that they're realizing that we like

20:01

they don't know. Like, I mean, maybe at

20:03

one point they did know more than they did, and

20:05

those guys died right

20:08

with that information? What did the grave with it? Wouldn't

20:10

at this point if it was like and maybe

20:12

I could be wrong too, if it's total

20:15

bullshit? Right, are we just so creative

20:18

and so have just such good

20:21

imagination like that

20:23

we keep it alive? Like shouldn't it be

20:25

dead by now?

20:26

Well? I mean right. I don't know.

20:28

People love a good mystery, as you know, I mean as

20:30

a man who's producing and being

20:32

a part of these like true crime podcasts

20:35

and now this one about aliens.

20:36

Like the Bigfoot there is, right,

20:39

I mean maybe it is. Well.

20:40

I mean there's like been multiple TV shows

20:42

about big like recently, I think, like

20:44

Bigfoothunters was a thing, but like other

20:47

more believers like every day Yeah, but Bigfoot

20:49

is actually a way worse story

20:52

because it's like is the thing walking around or

20:54

not? Like it's like, oh, we saw this guy in the forest and

20:56

it's like either he's there or he is. And now we've got like drones

20:59

and GPS and all this shit and like fucking phones

21:01

like where we can take video and people He's not popping

21:03

up, you know, Bigfoot's not popping up grabbing people's

21:06

like sandwiches out of their hand at this at the campsite.

21:08

Right, He's just the ultimate hide and seek player.

21:10

People love this

21:12

idea of the unknown. I mean, think about

21:15

how much of our life is arranged around these

21:17

I mean, religion is a big part

21:19

of it.

21:19

Is this idea of this unfathomable,

21:22

unknowable.

21:23

Thing lined faith and an idea

21:25

that you can't necessarily prove.

21:27

Basically, you could make arguments

21:29

that things prove it, but like they're not house

21:32

either one more or less real. Well, someone

21:34

would say something else, but but then they're still

21:37

they're applying the way they feel

21:39

and about it. I mean, you got

21:41

more evidence of aliens than you do of God at this

21:43

point, technically speaking, you do for sure, right,

21:46

Like like I don't have there's no like video of God like

21:48

shooting a round up near a fucking F

21:50

one whatever the jets are called.

21:52

I don't know what they are.

21:53

You know, I was gonna say,

21:54

f he

21:57

doubly drives an F one fifty there, right, he has to do. No,

21:59

they got there's around the F one definite.

22:01

Yeah, what are the jets? They're F fifteen's

22:04

or something, F sixteenss F

22:06

eighteens. All right, they've gone up to eighteen now, they've gotten

22:08

very advanced. But yeah, if we think that's

22:10

the best evidence we have, I mean, there was this story

22:12

the other day that Tucker Carlson has

22:14

been talking about, which like you know immediately

22:17

is problematic probably, but

22:20

there's like some the government has alien bodies,

22:22

Like what is your take on that so

22:24

it's all based on this guy, this whistleblower,

22:27

guy David Grush.

22:29

I think that's how you say his name.

22:30

Yeah, who's highly decorated with

22:33

tons of clearance. And he's

22:36

coming forward saying that we

22:38

have a alien crash

22:41

retrieval program and we have

22:44

like twelve different crafts. We've collecked

22:46

it over the years and have studied

22:48

this and that. When you hear him talk,

22:50

he sounds like what a do you believable

22:53

human being?

22:54

Right?

22:54

You start to wonder, Okay, what is this

22:56

guy's motivation to lie to Congress?

23:00

I think that he believes

23:02

this, right, So what is it?

23:05

Yeah, I mean, what is it? I think does

23:07

he have any evidence? So the problem

23:10

is with this particular story

23:12

is that he isn't the guy who has

23:15

literally witnessed these things with his

23:17

eyes. He is a

23:20

guy who has been told this by

23:23

like dozens of people in

23:26

a private sector of the government,

23:29

right, right, And so if he was

23:31

the guy with the pictures and the stuff, it

23:33

would be a little bit different. So this

23:36

guy believes what he was told,

23:38

and I think he was told this stuff. Question

23:40

is, Okay, why was he told this stuff?

23:42

Right?

23:42

Well, that's sort of like the like I was saying

23:44

about the drones could be some test of

23:47

some technology or some test of some security.

23:49

Is that guy the twelve crafts

23:52

from off world vehicles? Yeah?

23:55

They're like, who are going to be the leakers in our

23:57

work? Like let's put out a really shocking piece

23:59

of am and we say this is top

24:01

top secret. This cannot be known by

24:03

anyone. It's an issue of national security. And

24:06

they're like, where are the weak links? Maybe that's

24:08

the extent of it, and they're like, who cares

24:10

of this guy's story is out there? Because one, we know this guy's

24:12

a weak link and we can't trust him with real information.

24:15

And two, no one's going to believe it because

24:18

it's a ridiculous story that he has no

24:20

evidence to back up. My mind always goes

24:22

to the what is the more likely explanation,

24:24

because like I guess, I want to find

24:27

like what makes sense, not just like what's exciting

24:30

to think about, Like it's exciting

24:32

to think he's right, but if

24:34

I step back and look at the cold, hard facts,

24:38

like maybe somebody's just fucking

24:40

with him, you know, or

24:42

it was a loyalty test, totally

24:44

possible, but what maybe

24:46

they're doing programs now way more often

24:49

to find the next Reality

24:51

winner or Ebwett's notte like you

24:53

know who's inside here who

24:56

could like damage us. Well, what's odd

24:58

is there's people in Congress who are taking

25:00

it seriously right, They're.

25:01

Not are any of them Democrats?

25:04

So this is also a

25:06

very kind of odd observation,

25:09

especially for right now right. I mean, there's

25:11

been some big stories that have

25:13

been you know, on both sides over

25:16

the years, but as of recent it

25:18

seemed it seems like a very right

25:21

centric story.

25:22

Yeah, And I really think.

25:24

That's probably because it's

25:26

it's kind of part of the ideology a little bit that

25:29

like, you know, the government's got the secrets and you

25:31

know, it's kind of like up against the man

25:34

and don't trust the government. So it really

25:36

kind of, yeah, one it plays into that,

25:38

and with a Democrat

25:41

in office, it's like that mentality

25:43

is kind of a good one to have

25:46

if you were trying to like, you know, replace

25:48

them. And I think on the left, it's

25:50

like they're probably sitting there thinking

25:53

like what is going on?

25:54

Is this shit real? Like truly not right?

25:57

But we're not going to like make this a political

26:00

debate for the presidency,

26:02

are we It's interesting, actually

26:05

I can imagine this kind of thing in a previous

26:07

era of our government. Not that our

26:09

government has ever been like the most functional

26:12

or whatever, but I think if you went back like fifty

26:14

years or something, you might find

26:16

that if somebody was like, hey, we've got evidence of

26:18

a UFO, you might find some bipartisan

26:21

conversations going on. Right, like you might find

26:23

these old school the people who are like the old

26:25

school, like congressmen and women, and

26:29

there were not that many women.

26:30

Fifty years ago.

26:31

But I do think

26:33

that it's notable that there

26:36

is a lot of right or Republican

26:38

support for it. To your point,

26:40

Yeah, it plays into this like the government

26:42

is like weirdly like the governments against

26:44

us. The government has like secrets that they

26:47

they're not going to tell us or whatever. But

26:49

it also is feeds into all of the

26:52

a whole bunch of stuff, and which makes

26:54

which gives me pause actually when

26:56

I think if like they're embracing it, because it's like

26:59

it's like the QAnon.

27:00

It's like a conspiracy.

27:01

You know, Biden stole the election from

27:04

Trump, and you know that the dominion

27:06

machines and all this like stuff that you draw the line

27:08

right, yeah, Well, and it is a little bit suspect.

27:10

I would say, like if somebody's like, you know what, I don't. I think vaccines

27:13

are deadly and you can't take them

27:15

because the government engineered them to destroy your body

27:17

and mind or whatever they think about vaccines. And

27:20

I think QAnon is real. There's like a child

27:23

sex cult that the Democrats are running

27:25

and shipping children in wayfair

27:28

fucking you know dressers

27:30

or whatever, like you know, dominion,

27:33

the voting machines were rigged for Biden.

27:36

Oh and also UFOs are real, Like I definitely

27:38

my spidey sense tingles a little

27:40

bit about like who's

27:43

believing it? You know, it's like if

27:45

if that group, if every one of the things

27:47

they believe is bullshitting for the most part. And I'm not saying

27:49

everything in Republican believes is bullshit. I'm saying in that

27:51

there's a bunch of conspiracies theories that now

27:54

swarm.

27:54

It makes you wonder why that is the case.

27:57

Right, Yeah, it's either either they're more

27:59

open we say they're more open to.

28:01

I think they're more open and took taking risks.

28:03

Well yeah, but also maybe more

28:05

open to anything that kind of chips away at like

28:08

the foundations of like democracy and stability

28:10

that angle, I mean, right, like

28:13

like anything where you can say the government's hiding

28:15

it from the people, then you kind of chip a little bit

28:17

away at like whether we should be really

28:19

getting behind these people or get behind the people

28:21

who say.

28:22

Well, it's really the government hiding it from

28:24

the government. At this point, that's what's being

28:26

such like that's what that's what's being alleged.

28:30

Yeah, they won't they won't let Marjorie Taylor

28:32

Green into the vault where they have the alien bodies.

28:34

And that is why we don't have to she

28:36

already she she knows, She's

28:39

sorry, No, born know. I'm

28:43

like, you know, I'm not trying to make it.

28:44

I'm not trying to like say it's a

28:46

political thing, but it is unusual.

28:48

Yeah, it's uh, I mean, I

28:50

will say this as an observation.

28:53

It has stood the test of time a little bit though.

28:56

You know, it's like the COVID vaccine

28:58

stuff, and you know, the shipping

29:00

the people in the wayveraranddressers is like

29:02

those are like newer.

29:03

We don't know if they're gonna stick around the way that aliens

29:06

will.

29:06

Right, like eventually they're kind of like, Okay, well

29:09

never mind, but this is kind of it

29:11

hasn't become less likely.

29:13

Really, there's also like a lot of history

29:15

of it. I mean, we know the government hides things,

29:17

like that's true, yeah, right, Like our

29:19

government, for lots of good reasons and also

29:21

for non good reasons, hides things from the

29:24

American people, right, don't. They obviously are

29:26

not telling us everything they know about everything. It's like this shit

29:28

with Trump, like he had these documents, it's

29:30

like here's how we'd invade Iran or whatever.

29:32

And it's like, yeah, like they're probably not.

29:34

They don't want to go out and be like we have a plan to

29:36

invade a foreign country and here's how we do

29:39

it. So yeah, you know, like

29:41

we all know they are keeping secrets from us, The question

29:44

is like how many and how crazy are they?

29:46

Right?

29:46

I don't think the government's smart enough

29:48

to keep a secret like this forever.

29:52

That's why I think it's really there

29:54

isn't a lot of people who really know.

29:56

Well, right.

29:57

But the other thing is that has the narrative

29:59

about UFOs evolved, like forget about

30:01

like obviously we have this footage and we have like

30:04

new people coming forward and saying we think

30:06

something's going on, But does it feel

30:08

like the nature of these

30:10

encounters or what people are witnessing

30:13

has evolved from like Roswell

30:16

or the sixties or seventies to like

30:19

today.

30:19

Did you get a sense of that?

30:22

I mean, yeah, I mean I think that one

30:25

not every sighting or claim

30:27

is true. I would say probably a majority of

30:29

them are not right, But the ones that have

30:31

the most evidence and are the hardest

30:34

to debunk, I think some of those

30:36

probably are true. So that the a

30:39

level of influence I'm sure from other stories

30:41

in the past that's kind of shaped this trope

30:44

idea of what aliens are and

30:46

what a flying saucer is. But

30:49

what's more compelling to me than even

30:52

some of the Navy pilot stuff today is

30:54

going back to the

30:56

sixties or seventies or eighties even and

30:59

looking at some of the physical evidence of like

31:01

pictures and stuff that have been confirmed

31:03

by Kodak.

31:04

It's not photoshop.

31:06

You knew where technology was at the time.

31:09

It makes you say, okay, well, what is

31:11

it for real? Like right, it's easy to say

31:13

that this thing, this tic

31:15

tac thing is from China today because

31:18

yeah, that's probably very that's.

31:20

More likely than not forty

31:23

years ago though, right? Right? But

31:25

is it it's not a tick tac forty years ago? Is

31:27

it?

31:28

Some of them look like that, to be honest, they do.

31:30

So that's what I kind of what I was asking is like, it's

31:32

also not one thing. I don't think

31:35

it's it's like, right, you know, like the

31:37

the trope is like, you know, aliens

31:39

are from Mars, and it's like it's like one like set

31:42

of beings and they're more advanced

31:44

than us, and we're us and it's us

31:46

and them. What if it's just literally

31:49

thousands or tens of

31:51

thousands of different things.

31:54

Yeah, but like they're all just hiding,

31:57

like like does this only one of them will be a little bit shining?

32:01

Isn't necessarily you know, like

32:04

going behind a planet? Right?

32:06

What if it's more of a like

32:09

you know, it's like we learn more and

32:11

more every day about the idea

32:13

that maybe the universe itself is like

32:15

straight up infinite. At this point, it's just like,

32:17

right, you know, just fast going this

32:20

way. But what if it was like almost the same thing this

32:22

way where it was like you

32:24

know, I.

32:25

Mean, you're saying they could be like

32:29

it could be like us in another dimension. Actually

32:31

it could be stuff that we're doing, Like a.

32:33

Version of that is more likely than

32:35

anything.

32:36

I mean, right, it's

32:38

like a very advanced drone from a different

32:40

version of America, from a more advanced version

32:43

of our reality. Like that would be that

32:45

would be very fitting actually with

32:48

us. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that would

32:50

be like it would make a lot of sense. I think if

32:52

we know that, like our country is like doing

32:54

all the surveillance and shit, and like if you can

32:56

imagine that there's an alternate reality or dimension

32:59

version of Earth and

33:02

there's an America or some version of it, like it

33:04

would make a lot of sense that they've created some drone

33:06

that's trying to probe into like other dimensions.

33:08

I mean, isn't that what we're doing. Aren't we working on

33:10

shit like that?

33:10

Like if we could do that, we would do that, so

33:13

right, means that we would eventually

33:16

do that. You

33:28

know what, Here's the thing that gets me, Like

33:30

all this is really exciting and interesting to think about, and

33:32

I'm like, man, this is such like a it's

33:35

such a fun thought exercise to

33:37

go through, Like all this is but like you know, and

33:39

and maybe tell me if you feel this way, like lots

33:41

of crazy things happen have happened in our lifetime

33:44

and in the in the you know, years

33:47

and decades centuries before us. You

33:50

know, it's never been like a dragon that showed

33:53

up like just a fucking like a godzilla.

33:55

Never like the shit that happens in movies, which is

33:57

the stuff we're talking about.

33:58

M h.

34:00

It never really seems to happen like my

34:02

thing that one of the things I get stuck on was to us

34:04

sometimes is is I

34:07

mean, life's pretty straightforward,

34:09

pretty like understandable, and pretty

34:11

boring in a lot of ways. I'm not saying I'm bored, but

34:14

in the grand schame of things. We like to watch like the

34:17

Marvel movies because they present this

34:19

fantastic world where unbelievable,

34:23

unimaginable things can happen. In

34:26

our actual world be very rarely more predictable,

34:29

we very rarely see them. I mean, I don't even know. I couldn't

34:31

even tell you one that I've experienced.

34:34

I mean, nine to eleven. It is

34:36

probably like the closest to something in my

34:38

lifetime that I experienced where I was like, this

34:40

is like something from a movie. This

34:43

isn't supposed to happen. This is like some kind of event

34:45

that's occurring that feels like otherworldly.

34:47

You know, I don't mean like alien.

34:48

I mean it just felt like not to not

34:51

trying to make it a nine to eleven episode, but I'm just saying

34:53

it's like an wildly impactful

34:56

to break with reality.

34:57

Like and by the way, that has.

34:59

A totally explainable

35:01

human element.

35:02

But how long is your scope here?

35:05

Is it? Well?

35:06

I mean, I mean I guess for your lifetime, right,

35:08

I get yeah, from my lifetime. But like, but a dragon

35:11

never attacked like the Old West, that's

35:13

true. Yeah, there's no like story about how like

35:16

some giant grasshopper like destroyed

35:19

a town in the in the Old West or whatever, like

35:21

you know, or something like that is totally outrageous.

35:24

It's like, yeah, Buffalo Bill, like did he

35:26

was a really good shot or whatever? Or like there

35:28

was a lot of crime in the before

35:31

you know, America was you know, I just say,

35:33

like, it's not any of this, It's never this

35:36

well. Strangely enough, though, there are there are stories

35:38

that go way back that

35:42

that.

35:43

It sound like aliens, like like from the Old

35:45

West. I mean, you could

35:47

even look at the Bible like that if you'd

35:49

like to.

35:50

But it's listen. I mean,

35:52

I've read the book Fingerprints of the Gods,

35:54

which is basically I don't know if

35:56

you know that book at all, but which is

35:58

about like there is a intelligent

36:01

life on this planet long before the

36:03

light where we thought life began. And there are all

36:05

these maps, detailed maps they had of

36:07

like underneath glaciers, of the land

36:09

underneath glaciers, and like if you look

36:11

at these like Aztec drawings of people,

36:13

they appear to be like people sitting inside of a craft.

36:16

Like it's actually pretty interesting, pretty compelling,

36:18

but like there's no like wing of a ship.

36:21

There's no smoking gun, right, yeah,

36:23

Like there's where's the part of the point.

36:25

What would be the smoking gun to you? And would

36:28

it only be to you? And

36:30

like, well, you know, what

36:32

would the smoking gun be?

36:33

I think if if Biden came out and was

36:36

like, listen, I've read all these I've heard

36:38

these stories. I said, I want to get to the truth.

36:39

And we went in.

36:41

There's been a program and we have collected alien

36:44

ships. We don't know this, we don't know that, but that's

36:46

what's going on. We're working on it, you

36:48

know, TBD, like like we'll let you know

36:50

what happens. I'd be like, okay, that's I'd

36:53

be like, that's.

36:53

Really how many people would believe him and how many would.

36:55

Know The Republicans would immediately be like, okay,

36:57

there is no such thing as aliens. That's this

37:00

is a trick. This is to get Biden's trying to

37:02

get you get it re elected. I mean, I

37:04

think if I think if we had had a nine

37:06

to eleven type of experience with like an alien

37:08

with an unidentified spacecraft,

37:11

you know, if it like blew something up or

37:13

landed somewhere and people were like, okay,

37:15

there's fucking aliens here, Like I'd be willing

37:17

to believe it. I mean, I think if somebody

37:19

pulled out like a body, unless

37:22

again it was Joe Biden personally dragged

37:24

an alien body onto State within

37:27

and was like it was like here it is, okay,

37:29

check it out. By the way, Biden, I feel like might

37:32

do that, Like I feel like it's not posh.

37:35

I wasn't supposed to grab this. Yeah, okay,

37:38

So where do we go from here? Where do you

37:40

think we're going in terms of uncovering this mystery?

37:43

Mean I think that we're finally at a

37:45

point with the with the government

37:47

itself, like people in Congress

37:50

taking it seriously enough to

37:53

investigate it internally, right, you

37:56

know, And why is there a UAP

37:59

task force? They're referring

38:01

to off world vehicles like

38:04

that's what they're Wait, do they actually

38:06

refer to off world view?

38:07

They do refer to them as that, Yes,

38:09

they do.

38:10

Okay, Well, Union, there's

38:12

like a doc there's documented like government

38:15

officials.

38:15

They have used these terms. Yeah, it's wild.

38:17

Yeah, I mean that's definitely, that's definitely a little

38:20

disconcern.

38:21

There are people in power who

38:23

don't think it's stupid, right, sure, now

38:25

maybe they're stupid.

38:27

I don't think it's stupid. Yeah.

38:29

So, like I think that there we're

38:31

going to try to get to the bottom of something, but

38:34

I think that we end up in the same place.

38:36

I think anyone who's crossing their

38:38

fingers for some disclosure, if

38:41

there was something revelatory

38:43

to disclose, it wouldn't

38:45

be disclosed anyways, right, It's

38:47

not going to happen that way. I think there's too many cold

38:50

war games going on too with it. I mean,

38:53

really, I think because sciences

38:55

only seem to further support

38:58

the idea of et life over time

39:00

and not you know, cross that off

39:03

the list. If someone

39:05

like Russia or China did have spacecraft,

39:09

wouldn't that be something you'd want to know? And

39:11

so I think that if you

39:13

did, you're not going to show your hand and do that,

39:16

or maybe you don't, and maybe it's like what's

39:18

going on?

39:19

Right? Right?

39:20

This is just like Independence Day. It really kind

39:22

of is iconic film, I

39:24

mean, perfect movie. But the idea

39:27

of like the government kind of hoarding

39:29

these like crafts or

39:31

any evidence to like try to use it obviously

39:33

for like military purposes

39:37

or just under to understand it makes would make perfect

39:39

sense. And yeah, you wouldn't want

39:41

to tell like the other superpowers

39:43

of the world, like, hey, we have this thing, because

39:45

like you know, it's either open season

39:48

or who knows what like exactly. I

39:50

mean, I also think it is the panic

39:52

a part of it. Do you think that there's still

39:55

this idea that if you tell people like

39:58

there are beings from another planet

40:00

that are visiting ours like that

40:02

we don't understand and can't control,

40:05

right, do a lot of people fly into it.

40:07

People in the government probably are

40:09

concerned about that obviously because

40:12

there's so much religion in our country.

40:15

Yeah, but I think that that is waning

40:19

a little bit as well. I think that the younger

40:21

generation doesn't give a shit. They're

40:23

like, yeah, we already thought they were real anyways. Yes,

40:27

but you know it's it's old pop pop who is

40:29

like, doesn't want to rethink his belief SYSM

40:32

at ninety years old, right right right, He's trying

40:34

to get to heaven.

40:34

He doesn't want to be like there's a fucking spacecraft

40:37

waiting up there, but like or.

40:38

It's or goes deeper though, And I think that's what

40:40

it might be too. I think it's it's.

40:42

Not as cut and dry as that.

40:44

I don't think it's just like, oh yeah, there's

40:46

entities out there and you know sometimes they're

40:49

here. It might be more intimate

40:51

than that, and it might be more alarming

40:53

in that way.

40:54

Huh to me, Like the idea is so fun.

40:57

I want to believe now, I like, I kind of don't

40:59

know how I feel. Like I think in my like

41:01

you said, people kind of accept it now. I think in the back

41:04

of my mind, not even in the back

41:06

of my mind. If you ask me point blank, like do you think

41:08

there are aliens. I'd be like one hundred percent.

41:10

There's definitely alien life out there.

41:12

There's there are intelligent beings

41:14

that are as intelligent as

41:17

us, if not more, and probably

41:19

lots of them in the universe because we don't

41:21

we just can't understand the vastness of it the

41:23

place, you know, where if we kind of started on this is

41:26

like whether they're here or

41:28

have been here, or are looking.

41:30

Or maybe that's the biggest that's the unknown.

41:33

I mean, like it's both unknown, but that is

41:35

the bigger mystery

41:37

of right now.

41:39

Well, one it's easier to guess on is that like, yeah,

41:41

in the infinite universe, are there more

41:44

planets like Earth?

41:44

Like that?

41:45

I feel like there has to be. But then

41:47

the are they coming here? As anybody is

41:49

anything coming here? Like I think we

41:51

want it to be true.

41:54

I think we want to understand something bigger than

41:57

than humanity. Like I think we want something

42:00

And I don't mean just just I mean I think that religion

42:03

sometimes that's what that's what religion

42:05

is. It's a higher purpose, right, It's

42:07

like a thing that you can't

42:09

touch and understand. Do you have to just kind

42:11

of blindly, you know, lead

42:14

with and it's but I think that, But

42:16

I think we also want to like understand

42:18

the universe better. Like I think that humans

42:20

generally speaking, are you know, there's

42:22

a huge amount of our time that's been spent

42:25

on this planet trying to figure out

42:27

the planet, you know, trying to figure out like what

42:29

the fuck.

42:30

We are, where are we going? How does it all work?

42:32

You know?

42:32

Like, and I think that we have an innate curiosity,

42:35

And I feel like the alien thing is in some way,

42:38

even with two people who do not consider

42:40

themselves to have like a exploratory

42:43

or scientific mind, I think it's a little

42:45

bit like what is it? Like, what does it mean

42:47

if that's the real thing? And I think, yeah,

42:49

High Straine definitely gets into that the human

42:51

aspect of it, where people are like on a

42:54

personal level saying like I

42:56

want to understand this. So

42:58

what happens now with the show? Is there more

43:00

like do you keep going on this? Like is

43:02

there more to do? Like how does

43:05

this for you personally? What happens

43:07

next? If anything?

43:08

I mean, I think the conversation,

43:11

I think is is never going away.

43:14

Just how it might be unbelievable to imagine

43:16

that there's going to be some smoking gun

43:18

that appears.

43:19

I think the same.

43:21

On the opposite end, there's nothing that's going to

43:23

come at this point and just say

43:25

it's not possible, right right.

43:28

I think we're far away from that too, So the

43:30

conversation is not going away,

43:32

and I think we'll learn more every

43:35

single day with technology and

43:37

you know, the government taking different approaches and different

43:40

people in power, and

43:42

hopefully learn and dispel some of the myths

43:45

and rumors and conspiracies over

43:47

time. So for me, this was kind

43:49

of just a one of one installment, but I

43:52

really do feel like we should make

43:54

a second season that actually

43:56

explores the sightings that are

43:58

outside of the US.

44:00

Yeah, are you considering doing that?

44:02

Oh?

44:02

Yeah, absolutely. I mean that would be also great

44:04

because you get to travel, right, Like that'd be fun.

44:08

Yeah.

44:08

Yeah, Like I mean, do do people see UFOs

44:11

in London? I know that there have been sightings in

44:13

South America, and yeah, it's everywhere.

44:15

It's like every major country they

44:17

have their own like UFO

44:20

files, are they? Uh,

44:22

they're all kinds of things, just like cars are

44:25

common threads.

44:27

I think that's one that I get kind of like, why

44:29

aren't they all one thing? I think we want some uniformity

44:32

to this exactly.

44:33

It's like it's impossible to put it into

44:35

a box, right, It's like like like, you know,

44:37

it's like the thing with the cows.

44:39

You know, there's like these cows that were like dissected

44:41

or exploded or whatever. And

44:43

maybe that one has been debunked. I don't know, but maybe

44:45

there's one alien that's like interested in the cows

44:48

and it's like exploding the cows. And then there's a

44:50

there's another alien, another thing

44:52

that's like wants to know how our planes work and that's

44:54

why they're up in the sky. And there's another one that's like we got

44:57

to probe these humans, so they're abducting

44:59

the guy in the the forest or whatever, and

45:02

they're.

45:02

Not all the same.

45:03

Like that to me is actually like it's

45:06

not terrifying, but it is a kind of fucking

45:08

crazy idea, right because we're all like, oh, they're

45:10

the little green men with the big eyes.

45:13

That's what I think it is.

45:14

I think that's the reality is it's so

45:16

many things and that, and it

45:18

makes it more confusing and it is

45:20

more alarming that way.

45:22

It's way more I mean, I think, if like if

45:24

Biden came out, this is my scenarios. Biden comes out

45:26

because I just love the idea of him talking about aliens

45:29

just seems.

45:29

Like it'd be fine.

45:30

But he comes out, he's like, we got aliens

45:32

or whatever, right, and then he's like, here they are. But

45:35

but if he's like, we got aliens, but there's

45:37

a whole bunch of different ones, and

45:39

they got different they do different. Yeah,

45:42

there's like some with like tentacles. There's one that

45:44

like we don't see but it like gets into your brain

45:46

or whatever. I'd be like, Okay, this is

45:48

like fucked up like this, and now

45:51

I'm concerned. Yeah, this is crazy.

45:53

But we'll never know because Biden doesn't fucking know.

45:55

Like you said, he's not he's not being told the

45:57

truth. And I mean,

46:00

no, I don't know how we solve this. Maybe

46:02

we never solved it. This could be I

46:04

think. I think a lot of time that has to go by.

46:06

It's inevitable if the

46:09

science itself keeps prevailing and we

46:11

don't like stunt that, then

46:14

we're going to find something

46:16

as a species.

46:18

Right, I mean, like, if there's a good chance that once we get

46:20

our technology advanced

46:22

enough, we'll go out

46:24

and find it basically, right, Yeah,

46:26

then we'll be the aliens exactly,

46:29

like what the fuck is this weird tic tac object

46:31

invading our space?

46:33

And then it's like it's like why do

46:35

they come here?

46:36

And the next thing I know, we're doing like little

46:38

vacation tours of other planets

46:41

where they don't they don't.

46:42

Know who we are. We got to be real quick to

46:44

get out of that.

46:44

They're like probing the beings on that planet

46:46

to find out what's up with them.

46:48

Yeah, I mean, it's all just a cycle.

46:50

This guy has probed like one hundred

46:52

different aliens somewhere and it's

46:54

not for.

46:54

Science or somebody doesn't citizens arrest

46:57

on him, you know, we can bring.

47:00

Yeah.

47:01

Okay, so wait, so, so what's next for you?

47:03

If you're not doing a high strange season two? You got anything

47:06

else cooking? So I am

47:08

doing season two?

47:09

You are? Okay? Yeah?

47:11

First things first, I'm working on my next season

47:13

of Up and Vanished right now. Okay, Actually

47:15

going to Alaska tomorrow for

47:18

one of the cases. Wow, So back and

47:20

forth all summer, but that'll

47:22

come out later this year. Oh awesome.

47:24

Okay, cool, Well maybe you will come back. We

47:26

can chat about that like some more real world yeah

47:30

or maybe I get abducted out there and I have a different

47:32

stories, and that feels like the kind of place where that happens,

47:34

right, It feels like the fucking Northern

47:36

lights.

47:37

And I actually don't know what's up in Alaska. I've never been

47:39

so weird. Shit, Yeah, a lot of space.

47:41

Well, painting this was super fun

47:43

and fascinating, and I

47:45

just want to say, like I have enjoyed, like

47:48

digging into the stuff that you do. All Right,

47:50

next time you investigate a murder or an alien,

47:53

you could come back here and talk

47:55

about it. An alien, Oh yeah, that's

47:57

what you definitely have to come back and talk about, doll,

48:00

I'll tell you.

48:00

But thank you so much for doing this. Man, I really really enjoyed

48:03

it. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Well,

48:12

I think I've I think I'm convinced.

48:14

I think I'm convinced that aliens

48:17

are real and they're they're here,

48:20

and it's a bunch of them, like a

48:22

bunch of different aliens, and

48:24

they're just all vaguely

48:26

visible, slightly visible.

48:29

I don't know, it's a tricky one.

48:31

I'm I'm compelled to believe that

48:33

there are beings out there that want to get

48:35

in touch with us.

48:36

I want to probe us.

48:37

I want to check us out, want to check out our planes,

48:40

our trains and planes. But on the other hand,

48:42

I'm kind of like, I don't know, man, that seems like bullshit,

48:45

you know, not not not what pain is

48:47

doing. Like I think that's he's like trying to dig into

48:49

it. But then I'm like, you know, the guy got abducted. Did

48:51

he you know, did he really get abducted? I

48:53

don't know. I feel like I'm grappling

48:56

with wanting to believe, you

48:58

know, like like Fox Molder on The

49:00

X Files, you know, played by the Great David

49:03

Duchovny, one of America's national

49:05

treasures.

49:06

You know, dude wanted to believe. He seemed

49:08

to believe.

49:09

Actually a lot of episodes he believed

49:11

pretty strongly about all kinds of stuff.

49:13

I mean, were wolves, vampires, space

49:15

vampires, space were wolves. I mean

49:17

it's about all kinds of stuff on that show. Godzillas,

49:20

dragons, weird fish

49:23

that could talk, guy could melt

49:25

if he wanted to. A monkey

49:27

with the two heads. I don't know

49:29

that didn't happen on The X Files.

49:32

But at any rate, I want to believe, and I'm going to try

49:34

to believe, and that's

49:36

where I'm at with this whole thing.

49:40

Well, that is our show for this week.

49:42

We'll be back next week with more what future,

49:46

and as always, I wish you and your family the

49:49

very best, though unfortunately I'm

49:51

concerned that your family will be

49:54

or has already been, abducted by aliens