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Hey, and welcome to What Future. I am your

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host, Joshua Tapolski, and today

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we got a real banger, we got a real

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killer episode. We have invited

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back our friends Emil de Rosa and Ben

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Khan, formerly known

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as the hosts of a show called Trillionaire

0:37

Mindset. But they have gone through a

0:41

transition to a new place. They are

0:44

moving on into a new

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state of being, and I wanted to talk to

0:49

them about it, and you know, about other stuff, because they're super

0:51

interesting and I don't want to waste any time, so

0:54

let's just get right into it. I

1:12

want to set the scene actually for the people who are listening

1:14

to this and it cannot see it. I've got

1:16

Emeal and Ben here. They're back, and

1:19

Emil is in a Uh

1:22

he's in what looks like, I'd say a teenager's

1:24

bedroom. Maybe actually it looks like it looks

1:26

like a bedroom maybe where where somebody

1:29

where it was It came pre it came pre

1:31

decorated. He's an hotel.

1:33

Where are you okay? He's waiting, waggling his

1:35

fingers saying no. He's trying to get a worded edgewise.

1:38

Go ahead.

1:39

Uh, it's a dining room that has

1:41

a desk off the side, and I

1:44

think he's maybe referring to my very

1:46

cool uh New Yorker artwork

1:48

on the wall.

1:49

Yeah, every team has. Yeah,

1:52

it looks like it looks like the department

1:54

came with the New Yorker poster. That's it

1:56

doesn't insult to you, or maybe you'll

1:58

take it as an insult, okay. And then Ben much

2:00

worse situation. He's sitting on a gray It looks

2:02

like a sofa. I can't tell. It may be a nice

2:04

sofa, but it looks like one of those sofas you see

2:06

on the curb, you know, like someone threw

2:09

it out because they got a new sofa. But

2:11

that's the one. I hate this sofa, Yeah,

2:13

that's the one you have. And then above you, directly

2:16

symmetrically perfect above you is

2:18

a in through wall air conditioner

2:20

with the cord hanging down. So it's a real

2:23

like one of the guys who gets killed and breaking bad during

2:25

like a meth deal gone wrong. That's like the it's

2:27

sort of that vibe. Yeah, listen, I'm

2:29

not I'm not here to drag your apartments, Okay,

2:32

I'm here to talk about some real shit. I'm here to talk about

2:34

some heavy stuff. But before we get into it, Emil,

2:38

did you get your nose pierced since the last time we

2:40

talked or was it Pierce? When the last time we talked.

2:42

It was Pierce, But I might have I might have switched

2:44

out the piercings. I think I

2:46

might have had a stud last time, which is probably

2:49

harder for you to see.

2:50

That's right, even though we've got a very high

2:52

resolution. Yeah, video images here. I like

2:54

it. Thank you.

2:55

I'm now rocking a gold nose

2:57

ring.

2:58

Yeah, I'm My wife has septem

3:00

piers, so I've seen a lot of different varieties of septum

3:03

jewelry.

3:04

Yeah, it's fun. You can play with them. Yeah, a little

3:06

bit of a summer accessory.

3:08

Yeah, I like it. Maybe I'll get a piercing of some

3:10

sort. Maybe I'll I had my eyebrow pierce in my

3:12

rave days that it grew out, which I thought was like

3:14

the universe telling me not to have my eyebrow peers.

3:16

It was sort of like my body rejected

3:18

the concept, like the style,

3:21

which I think is good. All right, So listen, let's

3:23

I want to talk about a few things here that are very important.

3:26

Now, you guys were on the show pretty recently, and

3:29

after the show, by the way, because I had to listen to some

3:31

episodes of it and watch some of you guys on YouTube.

3:33

And then after the show, I was telling everybody I could find.

3:36

I was like, these guys are really funny, you should eat and interesting.

3:38

You should check out their podcast. Then

3:41

I get some news. My phone starts

3:43

blowing up just recently, and

3:45

I see that you have left the

3:48

trillionaire mindset completely and

3:50

moved on. That's correct, And you

3:53

now have a new podcast. Is that correct?

3:55

That's right? Am I getting all this right? Is right?

3:57

And your new podcast is called don't

4:00

I don't want to mispronounce it, but is it called pay

4:02

Pigs? Is that correct? Pay pigs with

4:05

Ben and a meal? That is correct? Yeah, yeah,

4:07

paypigs with Ben and the meal.

4:08

We wanted to make sure that is as

4:11

soon as trillion in our mindset was was

4:13

off the air, that we were right there

4:15

with our audience still, and so we

4:20

got to work. We built out, We built

4:22

out an entire studio.

4:24

You did, Why are you not coming

4:26

to me from the studio an

4:28

exact replica of a Meal's apartment. I'm

4:32

assuming you didn't get to take the desk,

4:35

which you know I was very enamored

4:37

with. You didn't get the desk for

4:39

to get the desk? What happened? Can you

4:41

tell me what happened? Why did Why is

4:43

trillion our mindset not happening. You can give me

4:45

the clean version, like the edited for radio

4:47

version if you want, or you can give me the truth. That's

4:50

up to you. Whatever you want.

4:51

Sure, Emil, would you like me to

4:53

feel this take a stab at it partner?

4:56

Okay, I'm gonna take you stop.

4:57

I'm gonna go Charlie Manson's style with that him,

5:00

but one of the other ones.

5:01

That would be someone else explained, No, he

5:04

did. He told people to stab. But you should actually

5:06

now tell Emial to do it because that would be

5:08

more Charlotte.

5:08

No, No, Emil is Chirlie Manson in this case.

5:11

I'm one of the girls of Summer.

5:13

It's a great and I guess you, I guess great

5:16

stuff to be thinking about right now. But all right, let's

5:18

here in a very dark place, Oh

5:20

Jay Simpson, I'll go okay,

5:23

so allegedly

5:26

true.

5:28

So basically, we

5:30

came to a point with contracts where

5:32

we just were at an impasse and

5:35

had to part ways, and

5:38

due to confidentiality agreements, we can't

5:41

really say much more than that except

5:43

for the yeah, we're now on our own.

5:46

Right, okay, I mean classic media

5:48

story Taylor, as old as time. I'm

5:51

sure you've been there plenty of times.

5:52

I have. Yeah.

5:54

Actually, you know, the funny thing about it is

5:57

it's weird to do something within a within

5:59

a business where you don't actually have ownership

6:02

of stuff. And again I'm not I don't know your your total

6:04

the exact situation, but obviously,

6:06

like if you had ownership of trillion our mindset, you

6:09

presumably would still be doing that, maybe just not

6:11

with the same crew, right right. Actually,

6:13

one of the reasons I ended up eventually

6:15

doing a startup was because the

6:18

idea of pouring all of this like energy

6:20

and passion and creativity

6:23

into something that I ultimately

6:25

could not own in any way was

6:29

you know, it sucked. It sucks, you

6:31

know to a degree. I mean there's certain things you do with

6:33

like you're an accountant and you're like doing you

6:35

you work at H and R Block or whatever, and you're like doing

6:37

taxes for people like

6:40

I don't You're like, wow, I wish I could take ownership

6:43

of these people's taxes. That doesn't make any sense, you know

6:45

what I'm saying, Like, there's a lot of work you do if you

6:47

work in retail, for instance, Like you're not like, why don't I

6:49

own the gap? Probably right? But

6:51

if you've built something like from the ground up that is

6:53

like has your essentially your name and personality

6:55

attached to it, and you don't own it, it's it's

6:57

a painful. It's painful to have to walk away

7:00

from it. You know, I'm not putting words in your mouth,

7:02

but no, no, you you're

7:05

you're on the right track. And that's

7:07

not also a condemnation of TMG

7:10

Studios are our former home at

7:12

all. It's uh, it's one

7:14

of those things where we wouldn't have been able

7:16

to do what we did or create what we

7:18

created without TMG Studios, without

7:20

their reach, their expertise, their resources,

7:23

and that comes at a cost, right you.

7:26

It would be bad business of them to just

7:28

be like, yeah, sure, and you guys can just the

7:31

thing and all that stuff.

7:33

So yes, well you

7:35

get what you're looking for. You, I totally

7:37

get it. I mean, I can make an argument here.

7:39

I could make an argument. May perhaps I will make

7:41

an argument that listen,

7:44

this is I don't want to get into the weeds with you. I'm sure there's a lot

7:46

of wild contract shit that happened here,

7:48

and you know, it's a probably very difficult time

7:50

in many ways to leave behind a creation. But

7:53

yeah, I mean it's like you two are

7:55

the replaceable part in my opinion

7:57

of trillionaire mindset. That's just one man

8:00

opinion, of course. Could you say replaceable

8:02

or irreplaceable? No, did I say replaceable.

8:05

I didn't mean to

8:07

cut out. I just want to I just want to clarify

8:10

for the audience. That's not what I That is not what I

8:13

think what I thought I said was in Jenna.

8:15

Maybe you can check the tape. But you

8:17

guys are the irreplaceable part

8:19

of trillion our mindset

8:21

in my opinion. And

8:24

uh, and so I assume that the people who like trillion

8:26

our mindset are going to be eager to find

8:29

pay Pigs. I do have to ask,

8:31

though, tell me about the name.

8:33

I know what the name. I know essentially what

8:35

the name is referencing or the concept

8:38

of it. Can you talk a little bit about the name Paypigs

8:40

and and what how that

8:42

came came to be?

8:43

The title Ben, So, would you like to be Charlie

8:46

Manson at this point, and I'll be one of the gals.

8:48

Yeah, sure, yeah, go

8:51

take out that stabbing knife we had.

8:54

We had to come up with a new name, a new

8:57

brand for the boys. We're

9:00

in a funny space, which is sometimes

9:02

we get lumped into finance

9:05

bros.

9:06

And it can be.

9:07

The last thing we want is for people to

9:09

be intimidated by the subject matter,

9:12

right, and so we were always just

9:14

thinking the same with joy in our mindset.

9:16

You know, we want something that lets people know it's

9:19

not your typical thing. It's gonna be goofy,

9:21

it's gonna be accessible, it's gonna be fun, It's gonna be funny.

9:24

Right, Yes, so I might I imagine

9:26

you might be referring to the fact that pay pigs

9:28

is a term in the kink community.

9:30

It's a it is a Yeah. I mean that's how That's

9:32

what I know it to be because

9:35

I am one, you know,

9:37

hardcore pay pig. A pay pig

9:39

is like somebody who it's partially like maybe there

9:41

are other meanings, but it's like a

9:43

person who like wants to

9:45

give someone money. Yeah, it's

9:48

someone who gets off on financial domination. So

9:50

you'll often see it findom exactly.

9:53

You'll often see it in the Wall Streets base, where guys

9:55

who have a lot of money will give you

9:57

know, say a dominatrix a credit card,

10:00

and they'll have her go

10:03

out and spend a bunch of money,

10:05

and they'll be you know, cleaning them in

10:07

on how they're using their credit card and

10:09

everything. And so we thought it just kind of fit

10:12

in well with kind of subject matter we're talking

10:14

about, and also our attitude

10:16

about it. You know, we kind of think these

10:19

Wall Street guys are ciccos we kind

10:21

of think that these fat cats down

10:23

in DC are sick.

10:24

Goes okay, and Ben

10:26

Ben isn't been a trader, hasn't been a professional

10:29

trader. Is that am I? Yeah, but he's not a

10:31

cicko. Sure,

10:33

no, no, not at all.

10:34

But financial domination is

10:36

a really cool term, I think also, and

10:39

I feel like it does apply to what

10:42

the spirit of.

10:43

Wall Street and kind of the economy is

10:45

too.

10:45

It's all about everybody's

10:47

constantly getting financially dominated.

10:49

We're all under the thumb of

10:52

the powers that be. And then also

10:54

lastly, one little thing, there's the old

10:56

Wall Street adage Bulls make money, bears

10:58

make money, pigs gets lottered.

11:00

So wow, that's that's too

11:03

long of a too long of a name for

11:05

our new podcast. Though unfortunately, right, that's

11:07

dark shit. That's really okay. I

11:10

mean this makes sense. I like it, you

11:12

know, I think it evokes something. It

11:14

evokes a very strong image in

11:16

one's mind. Yeah, and it's

11:19

a dirty, nasty image, and

11:21

you know, and I love that. And we're dirty nasty

11:23

boys. Yes, no, I know if obviously

11:25

you're you're filthy boys. But so

11:28

are there going to be changes from truly

11:30

our mindset? Are you do new things with the show? Is

11:32

there anything that with the format that you might do

11:34

differently? Yeah? I

11:36

think we will.

11:37

First and foremost, we want to go from

11:39

being once a week at an hour

11:41

per episode to maybe two

11:44

to three times a week at twenty to thirty

11:46

minutes per episode. Oh interesting, because

11:49

oftentimes we find ourselves not only missing

11:52

certain news things that

11:54

happened, but we also find ourselves

11:56

just having to cram a week's worth of stuff into

11:58

one episode. It's just not practical,

12:01

right, So, and and also

12:03

we we want to kind of go

12:06

sorry, do you hear that fucking leaf blower?

12:08

Do you hear, yes, yes,

12:10

I mean you'll take it away, man. Yeah,

12:14

so we got we gotta talk

12:16

about your studio situation more than anything. We got

12:18

it. Listen, listen, I get it. You're in the early

12:20

innings here, Okay, you just are in a

12:23

transitional period. Don't stress out

12:25

about this. We've all been there. Okay.

12:27

I think I've had twenty fucking

12:29

people in my in my living room

12:32

trying to pick a name for a website. You

12:34

know, it's right, it's I get it. We've

12:36

all had the leaf blower, the leaf blower experience.

12:39

To answer your question, I think you

12:41

know. I don't think we want to just make trillion in our

12:43

mindset too. I think we are. We're

12:45

very proud of what we did. I think, I mean, that

12:47

was a show we loved. But this is forced. This has

12:49

forced us to kind of rebrand and

12:51

rethink it. And what Ben said,

12:53

that was something we had talked about for a while. This cutting

12:56

it into shorter things where we can where we can cover

12:58

more things and still have enough

13:01

room in the episode where we're letting our personalities

13:03

come out, because I think that is what is

13:05

most fun about our show. We're talking about

13:07

some heavy things but we like to be ourselves

13:10

and inject a lot of humor into.

13:11

It, and then it's got

13:14

a much more intimate and personal feel

13:16

to it. You know, if you've.

13:18

Seen the first episode that's

13:20

come out, it's just us and it's

13:22

we're not on this set. And I think, I

13:25

mean, I was surprised a little bit because I

13:27

was a bit work. I was a bit worried there's

13:29

obviously a drop off in production

13:32

quality. Well, if

13:35

you watched the last episode of Trillionaire mindset

13:37

and then you watch the first episode of Paypigs.

13:41

We moved from a very beautiful,

13:45

expensive set that has

13:47

you know, probably the highest end cameras

13:49

you can use, and you know, all

13:51

of that with producers around us, and then

13:53

we moved to just, you

13:56

know, the exact replica of

13:58

my apartment set and right.

14:00

Right the painstakingly detailed apartment

14:02

set.

14:03

Yes, so we were very worried that people were

14:05

maybe going to have an issue with that, and we've

14:07

found the vast majority

14:09

of people it's quite the opposite. People seem very

14:11

kind of excited and stoked

14:15

that it's just kind of like the boys

14:17

doing their thing, and so I'm

14:19

pretty jacked about that.

14:21

One more thing is that speaking to what a Meal

14:24

said about the name Trilli in her mindset,

14:26

we found the humor of it kind of went over a

14:28

lot of people's heads. This was anecdotally

14:31

from third parties of friends saying, hey, I

14:33

recommended your show, but people, some

14:35

people think that it's like just about finance.

14:38

So we're hoping to get away

14:41

from just being about finance

14:43

and being more news

14:45

driven current events, comedy

14:48

news. Yes, right, events comedy news kind

14:50

of thing.

14:50

Right, interesting. Okay, so that's

14:53

that's actually fascinating. I mean, even

14:55

though the name itself is obviously very like

14:57

money related, the

15:00

the focus on I mean

15:02

you guys, did I mean on the

15:04

old show you definitely talked about stuff that wasn't

15:06

just finance related, Like there's plenty of stuff,

15:09

right, Yeah, But you're saying, like, do you

15:11

think that this new the new show gives you a

15:13

freedom to go further, go outside

15:15

the bounds of like I guess, like, yeah, trillion,

15:17

their mindset is sort of a evokes

15:20

a very specific kind of world.

15:22

Yeah, right, But I do think, you know, with the name and

15:24

everything, I do, I think we like talking

15:26

about this kind of stuff, even if it's current events stuff.

15:29

We like talking about it through that specific

15:31

lens of money and big business, because

15:33

I think it is.

15:36

It's everywhere, whether you like it or not. They

15:38

it's everything.

15:39

They control everything, and I think, you know, some people really

15:41

like it, like doing it through a lens of politics,

15:44

and that comes into a lot of the things we're talking about.

15:46

But these are often you know, who's

15:49

controlling the politicians and all of this stuff. And I think,

15:51

you know, so when we're getting into

15:53

a current event, we were

15:55

like, well, let's get down to what's really going on

15:57

here, you know what I mean?

15:59

Right, I

16:10

did read your reddit, because you guys have like a Reddit trillionaire

16:12

mindset reddit where I was I was trying to figure out

16:14

what was going on, you know when I when I heard

16:17

that you were moving to this new thing, and you

16:19

have some very dedicated fans.

16:21

I mean, you've got people who really like

16:24

are invested in what you two are doing,

16:26

which I think is a huge deal. I

16:28

mean, dedicated is one way to put it.

16:30

We me and Ben have both made peace

16:32

with the fact that our fans will

16:34

one day kill us, and that's okay with us.

16:37

You feel like there's a thread there there, the violence

16:40

of psychotic violent thread that might hit

16:43

you somehow. No, no, no, I'm joking. I

16:45

love them. They are very dedicated. It's they

16:47

are the best.

16:48

And it has been very

16:50

sweet this entire because

16:53

you know, it's difficult. We really

16:56

loved what we did and what we created, and

16:59

we weren't stoked it was coming to an end.

17:02

But it was really heartwarming, not

17:05

only the Reddit, but comments

17:07

on anything we're putting out, messages we

17:09

would receive people think, you know, just

17:11

the nicest things, and how much they appreciated

17:13

us, like ways that we've

17:15

impacted their lives.

17:17

It was, it's really incredible, this poort. It's

17:19

it's I'm just gonna second that. It's just

17:22

it's wild that in order to be successful

17:25

at this, you really don't need that big an audience.

17:27

You just need the audience to be very

17:29

sticky and very involved.

17:32

In One of the ways that we that

17:35

I personally try to keep

17:37

that stickiness sticky is I

17:39

try to be as active as possible in replying

17:42

to.

17:42

Comments on our like on our new

17:44

YouTube channel.

17:45

Now I can actually be in there and actually reply

17:48

responding to dms, which sometimes I'll

17:50

dedicate an entire afternoon to on Twitter,

17:52

on.

17:52

Instagram, really wow.

17:54

Oh yeah, because not only do I

17:56

enjoy it, but just that little

17:59

bit goes so such a long way. People

18:01

appreciate it so much and without them,

18:03

we wouldn't be able to do what we're doing. And

18:06

if you never know who they're going to then

18:08

share it with just it's

18:10

it's it's important.

18:12

Can I say one more

18:14

thing about that too?

18:15

I don't think so. I don't know if we were

18:17

at time. Yeah, that's it. We

18:19

gotta sorry, I guess we gotta wrap up. This is great, though

18:23

there's a.

18:23

Bit of an upside and a downside

18:25

to this. They're very dedicated and

18:27

but it makes it hard for us to do things

18:30

under wraps. So we were not ready

18:32

to launch what we but what we were doing was

18:34

setting up social accounts and

18:37

YouTube accounts and just getting everything

18:39

ready, and that included setting up

18:41

our Patreon account.

18:42

And so as

18:44

soon as we set.

18:46

Up an Instagram account, it was

18:48

immediately found. It ended up on It

18:51

ended up on the reddit, and then the

18:53

Patreon we had set up ended up on the reddit.

18:55

We had not even announced it yet, and hundreds

18:58

of people were going to our Patreon

19:00

to sign up for a thing that

19:03

didn't even exist yet. And it was just like holy

19:05

shit. Yeah, I mean, I mean, when did you

19:07

when did you turn on this? By the way, I love

19:09

the I love the Instagram.

19:11

When did you turn on this Instagram account?

19:13

Like, because you like how recently we turned

19:15

it on like the Wednesday

19:18

before, because our last episode came out the

19:20

Friday, So we turned it on on the Wednesday,

19:22

and we were going to announce it, yeah, friday

19:25

after our last episode had come out, and

19:28

it was already found and so before we could even

19:30

announce anything, people were following.

19:32

Yeah, I mean, you have tens of thousands of followers

19:34

already, twelve thousand followers, right, you're you're

19:37

I mean, that's that's huge. They talk about

19:39

numbers in media and with podcasts,

19:42

and there's like these fucking like Joe Rogan

19:44

numbers or whatever, and you think

19:47

everybody has to aspire to be like

19:49

on the top, you know. And I can tell you, like, you

19:51

know, with working on this podcast, in

19:54

the early days of kind of figuring out what we were going to do, We're

19:56

like looking at like the top one hundred Apple podcasts.

19:58

We're like, oh, let's wait, people doing here, Like what are

20:00

the names? Like when we were naming this. We're like, what are what's

20:03

the kind of name that we might choose for this thing?

20:05

And it's like if you compare yourself

20:07

to like the top one hundred, and ultimately we picked

20:09

a name that was very different than all those.

20:11

But you know, it's like people thinking

20:14

in the mindset like that's how it

20:16

has to be for you to be successful, that you need

20:18

to be in that top one hundred list or whatever. And I

20:21

don't know, you guys may be in the top one hundred list soon, and

20:23

I hope you are. We did crack it briefly when

20:25

we launched. Yep, did you with trillionaire

20:28

or with pay Pigs? So I think it's with pay Pigs.

20:31

Really, I believe.

20:32

That it's a bit of an algorithm trick.

20:34

I think when a new show comes out there, they're more

20:36

prioritized, and because of our active fan

20:38

base giving us a bunch of reviews and interacting

20:41

with the show, I think we are really interesting

20:43

from that. But it was still pretty cool. I think we had

20:45

okay top thirty for a bid and

20:47

now that's amazing.

20:48

That's amazing. Also, great life hack, Jenny.

20:51

Can we relaunch this show and get a bunch

20:53

of astroister reviews. I'm not they had real

20:55

ones, but to all have to obviously pay people

20:57

to review our show. That's very interesting.

21:00

That's huge.

21:00

Yeah, but you're exactly right. I think that's

21:02

true. I think you know, it's funny. I was just reading

21:04

a story. But do you know that comedy show Hollywood

21:07

Handbook?

21:08

You know, I know the name. It's a podcast.

21:11

It's a fantastic show.

21:12

It's been around for I think they just hit like their

21:14

three hundredth or five hundredth episode.

21:16

It's very funny show. Wow. But

21:18

they were talking about I think so they were on a network.

21:20

I can't remember.

21:21

It might have been like ear Roll or something like that, but basically

21:24

they were like, we didn't work for the network

21:27

system where it was all predicated

21:30

on growth and hitting growth numbers

21:32

and all this thing. And he was like, but what we

21:35

did have was a very dedicated

21:37

fan base. And they ended up just moving

21:39

away from the network and then starting

21:42

a Patreon and he was like, it's sustainable

21:44

if this many people want to do

21:46

it, but we can't. We're a

21:48

weird show. I don't even know how to explain it to people. And

21:50

so the growth model is very difficult

21:52

but.

21:53

We will find this not you

21:55

guys that yes, yes, yes, are you saying

21:57

you're a whe You know that was me quoting and

21:59

pair of right right, right, Okay, I didn't know where

22:01

the quote was in. I wanted to be coming to clarify

22:03

for the listener because you weren't doing air quotes

22:06

the whole time, which is true is traditionally

22:08

expected when you're quoting someone else. She

22:10

does this all the time. I never know what he's talking

22:12

about. Yeah, It's like I

22:15

just wanted to be sure that you were now not talking

22:17

about your podcast. No, we're going to grow. Yeah,

22:19

no, I think that's

22:22

very likely if you've only done one episode.

22:24

If you don't grow after that, then I think we'll

22:26

know. You know, it was a great ride, but

22:29

unfortunately time to hop off the train

22:31

and hit the hit

22:33

Walmart or whatever. But you know,

22:36

I think the thing that you're talking about having

22:38

this like this following is so

22:40

valuable. And there's a great

22:42

interview with the showrunner or

22:44

the creator of The Babysitters Club show on Netflix.

22:47

I don't know if you've read this, and I believe the interviews in

22:49

New York Magazine and you

22:51

know they were canceled after two seasons. But she's like, our

22:53

viewership was you know, Netflix doesn't share

22:56

numbers. It was really interesting to hear this. She's like,

22:58

our viewership was higher than like most

23:01

shows on Netflix and also from other

23:03

in if you look at the competitive landscape of shows

23:05

in that kind of genre or like, that totally

23:08

killed them in terms of viewership, Like

23:10

it had a huge audience, but in

23:12

the world of Netflix, if it's not if it's

23:15

not like a squid game kind of audience,

23:18

then they're just sticked down at the bottom

23:20

of the list, right Like so in the if you look at

23:22

that that little microcosm, you know, in

23:24

the world of Netflix, Babysitters Club was

23:26

something even though it had like more

23:28

viewership than a typical network show,

23:32

for their purposes, it just it

23:34

couldn't work, you know. And I think like that's a good illustration

23:36

of like where having a

23:38

dedicated, uh you know, fan base

23:41

that wants to follow you can be really powerful

23:43

because you can create things that are not going

23:45

to be squid game level. And by the way, not that you guys,

23:47

who knows, I mean, fucking paypas could be the next squid

23:49

game. We don't know, you know, a year from

23:51

now, I could be watching you guys battle to the death for

23:53

a huge prize. I haven't watched squid Game, so I'm not really

23:55

sure what the plot of it is, but I think it's something like that.

23:58

You said that because we do we do play on executing

24:00

poor people in the future, so I'm

24:02

glad you mentioned that.

24:03

That's what I thought. I actually I had heard direst

24:05

saw that on the reddit. People were saying that was getting me the

24:08

season two. So okay. The

24:10

business model is for you. You

24:12

have a Patreon. I can't just listen to an

24:14

episode. Can I just listen to an episode for free?

24:17

Right? I can't? You can? You can? I can't. It's

24:19

a widely available. But if

24:21

I like you guys and I want to support you, I go to Patreon

24:23

and I pay a monthly. Sometimes, I just.

24:24

Want to be clear, even if you hate us and

24:27

want to support us, you can get to patreon dot com.

24:29

Right right. If you were like a person

24:31

who derived some kind of pleasure from paying for

24:33

things they didn't want or like, sure like

24:35

probably in somewhere in the spectrum of pay

24:38

pigging, there's some version of

24:40

that, right Like, that feels like a little

24:42

bit of a tweak on someone's

24:44

using my credit card. I guess like a dominatrix

24:46

could be like, I'm subscribing myself to all of these podcasts

24:48

that you clearly dislike, and we are that's actually

24:51

a pretty good one. We're here for that. Like if I were

24:53

doming somebody and in a paypig

24:55

scenario, I would probably I'd be like, what's

24:58

your favorite podcast, and I'd find whatever the polar opposite

25:00

of that is and subscribe them to it. Yeah, that'd

25:02

be a good idea. You'd be a good domain interests.

25:05

I'm thinking about going into it. Actually, I'm thinking

25:08

a little side gal, little side hustle. You know, these days

25:10

you got to be you always got to have something on the side.

25:12

But sorry, Ben, I think you were. You were in the middle of

25:14

Explainabar before. The model

25:16

that we had before was we had Trillionaire Mindset,

25:19

which was a show about finance and

25:21

news in the markets,

25:24

right, and then behind a paywall

25:27

separately you could get Trillionaire

25:29

Mindset ad free, and then on

25:31

top of that we did bonus content. We

25:33

did another hour of just

25:35

us shooting the shit. It's just it was no

25:38

no holds bar just whatever we wanted to talk about,

25:40

and we got pretty There were some pretty emotional

25:43

episodes where there was a mail bag episode

25:45

where people asked us some pretty intimate questions

25:47

and we shared just our

25:49

feelings, thoughts, experiences, life,

25:51

life lessons and stuff, and people

25:54

really really responded to that and

25:56

that was really cool because there was a lot of

25:59

just out pouring of support and.

26:01

Love and all that stuff.

26:02

Right, and now we are, since

26:05

we are still just hitting

26:07

the ground running and bought all the equipment ourselves

26:09

and kind of scrambled to make this happen, we

26:11

are currently basically just doing

26:15

that kind of show that after hours

26:17

e kind of show that's just us shooting the

26:19

shit right for free, with

26:22

the extra time behind a paywall.

26:24

Oh interesting, Okay, so there is a paywall

26:27

component, but it's not the main course

26:29

essentially, is that right? Right? Yeah?

26:31

And then with Patreon we've got

26:34

other stuff.

26:34

There's perks, like there's a discord and

26:37

there's a there's two live shows

26:39

that have sold out so far. I mean they

26:41

sell out within twenty four hours, so hey, you get

26:43

it.

26:43

You did those? Those are done.

26:46

The second one is on July eleventh, isn't

26:48

the one in Brooklyn, the jourdy to that one at the

26:50

Bellhokay, right, I think

26:52

I try to come out and see that one. But how

26:55

are you doing it?

26:55

Those were those were never called Billionaire Mindset

26:58

Live. Those were always been in a meal live that was just

27:00

me and Ben.

27:00

Interesting, So that part of it

27:03

was not part of the contractual arrangement with

27:05

the right. Right. Okay, okay,

27:07

that's good, that's smart, that's great.

27:10

You keep doing the live show you what

27:13

level of the Patreon would

27:15

I have to put in to become

27:17

an ongoing part of the podcast,

27:20

like an on air part of that? What would the investment

27:22

on a Patreon level be for someone if

27:25

they were a super fan not saying me, but

27:27

a one someone who follows you. Is

27:30

there a number that you think like an ongoing like

27:32

a monthly installment payment of X gets

27:34

you you are a recurring guest on the podcast.

27:37

Oh, I mean that would happen like twenty five thousand dollars

27:39

a month and you get to be a recurring guest

27:41

of the podcast. That's not enough.

27:43

I was going to say like five hundred dollars.

27:46

Yeah, Now once a month we have

27:48

a ten minute segment. What five hundred

27:50

dollars.

27:51

No, that's too low. I think that's not

27:53

him and someone else. Well,

27:55

yeah, I would pay more. I

27:57

mean, if anything, I wouldn't bring any

28:00

permanent guest, so well,

28:02

like a recurring let's say, well, actually you could have tears,

28:05

right, you could have a recurring guest, right,

28:07

you get somebody who comes on occasionally, maybe

28:09

they get to be on once a month or something. And

28:11

then how many shows do you think you're gonna do every week? You said two

28:13

or three? You don't know yet, two or three

28:16

can? Okay, the people are gonna want you to get specific about

28:18

that. We're gonna do like once a month

28:21

YouTube live for like

28:23

an hour hour and a half. Those are always uh

28:25

something? And what tier? Could I become a

28:28

co host on the YouTube live? Like?

28:31

You guys got to really spice up, you know you can. You could

28:33

be really creative with this, you know, Like, but

28:35

what would be a third host? What do

28:37

you think the monthly cost would be for

28:39

someone to become the third host of

28:42

of pay picks? Yeah, I don't know. Five hundred

28:44

dollars.

28:45

No,

28:48

No, I'm really good at negotiating it sounds well,

28:51

started high and then I went low.

28:53

You get Ony five thousand, and I

28:55

was like, we're in the money you addressed for the job

28:57

that you want, is what they say. And

29:00

so five hundred bucks a month for

29:02

a permanent, permanent co host

29:04

slot. No, we're saying, okay, so there's

29:07

YouTube Live. I want to just be I want to be a

29:10

I want to be on YouTube Live. Not me again,

29:12

I'm not and I'm not asking for a friend.

29:14

I'm just curious what would it cost

29:16

someone? Is there a number you could

29:18

even consider for that's for that's that type of

29:20

thing. That is a good question. I don't know, because

29:22

that's the kind of crazy shit you could do with a Patreon.

29:25

I would start considering anything

29:28

above five thousand dollars a month. I would entertain

29:30

the idea because you have to remember, if it was

29:32

someone like you, you know, you've got a lot of media experience,

29:35

You've got a lot of hohostry experience.

29:36

That's one thing.

29:37

But I would have to imagine this person is not

29:39

going to be that, and it'd rightly take the

29:41

show the just the third month, Who's

29:43

like, not you get it?

29:45

Well, it's so okay interesting, So you're

29:47

like, well, five thousand a month would be enough

29:49

to possibly

29:52

tank the show. That's interesting, you mean,

29:54

just but just that YouTube live. We can find a way

29:56

to make it work. Yeah, okay, So I'm thinking

29:58

like what like ten grand a month, fifteen

30:00

grand a month for like a I'm a host

30:03

of the show, I'm

30:05

a co host. I mean, you

30:08

could find some great talent that way. It's

30:10

interesting, just an.

30:10

Interesting thought, thinking like what the

30:13

couple of Saudi princes that we have in our

30:15

in our fan base?

30:17

Do you badly pay? Do you have Saudi princes

30:19

in your fan base? I doubt it, but that would

30:22

be fucking cool. Well, I don't know if you know this, but the

30:24

Saudis are making the Saudis are making a lot of investments

30:26

in US businesses and

30:28

then just in trying to diversify their you

30:31

know, their holdings. I mean, I think I

30:33

assume you saw the news about why they don't just

30:37

actually my understanding is they're trying to diverse

30:39

fy away from from oil is actually

30:41

a big part of it, you know, And so you think immediately,

30:44

you know, what's a huge industry that's

30:46

generating a ton of money, like an oil

30:48

level golf exactly

30:50

exactly hit the nail on the head. It's like military

30:53

industrial complex, oil, professional.

30:55

Golf, just like those are the

30:57

top tier money.

31:10

How about this? What are stories that

31:12

are happening that are unfolded that

31:14

you may not have done or talked about that much

31:16

on Trilling your mindset? But you're going to put a little bit

31:18

more time and effort into on the new show.

31:20

We've got the general election coming

31:23

up that everyone's gonna be talking will probably be we'll

31:25

probably paying close attention to politics.

31:27

Yeah, more political commentary.

31:30

Yeah, there's a lot of loopy shit going on. We

31:33

covered a lot of RFK,

31:36

a lot of RSK. Junior, Oh yeah, RFK.

31:39

What's going on with this fucking guy? Okay,

31:41

so a couple of things.

31:44

I ran into a funny conundrum where I

31:46

can do an impression of him very

31:48

easily because he's got a very distinct

31:50

voice.

31:52

I've heard him speak. I mean, if you did

31:54

it, could you do a little bit for us here? I mean, I'm

31:57

going to put you on the spot. Sure.

32:00

Well, he's

32:02

got an affliction in a vocal

32:04

box, so he can't really talk.

32:06

Oh right, that's what that is. What he sounds. It's very

32:08

very hard to listen to. Yeah,

32:11

we were ablest that's ablest of you. But

32:13

fine, carry on, go ahead fucking destroy

32:15

your career's crime. We

32:18

built the bulk of the impression

32:20

behind the paywall. Oh that's good, because

32:23

you know what's good. There's no way to any of that could leak out

32:25

and have people just saying you're a fucking ableist.

32:27

Behind closed doors, I mean, I would just

32:29

say, let me give you a little I'm gonna give you a little professional

32:31

advice now, if you don't mind, sure, I

32:33

think by the way, I don't think. I

32:36

don't think you'll be dinged too bad on that. It is

32:38

a distinct way of speaking. But here's the thinking. You're

32:41

not making fun of him, but.

32:42

Doing an impression. Of doing an impression

32:45

of the president is like part of the game,

32:47

right, every SNL, every

32:49

cast needs someone who can do Trump Biden

32:52

can look.

32:53

That is the way he sounds, and you're not making

32:55

fun of his, of this issue

32:58

that he has, You're just trying to recreate

33:00

his I just want to be clear, I'm joking

33:02

about the ableism. I don't believe exactly

33:04

what. I don't believe you doing a

33:07

an impression of him is ablest by

33:09

nature, and in fact it's ablest to say that it is

33:12

in a way because it suggests that the only

33:14

reason you could be doing the impression, you know what I mean,

33:16

it's just like you're where does your brain? Why is your brain going?

33:18

What?

33:18

I mean?

33:19

Yeah, but I will say, if you're gonna do something

33:21

that's questionable, put it behind the paywall is

33:23

like not the answer in my opinion, Like

33:25

on a professional I give you on a professional

33:28

level. If you're like, well it's but it's

33:30

behind the paywall, it almost adds

33:33

it makes it a little bit more problematic.

33:35

I would say in a way like if you didn't

33:37

think it could go on the main show,

33:41

no, it's good, listen it

33:43

on the main show.

33:43

And then he wanted to and you wanted to talk more

33:46

about him, So I was like, all right, screw

33:48

it, let's just keep going.

33:49

You got to remember, Okay, here's the thing, like

33:51

for the big dogs, there's no repercussions.

33:54

Okay, they're not going there. Nothing's

33:56

going to happen to them, right right, Like Rogan,

33:59

Joe Rogan had to like twenty

34:01

years of podcast where he's just sing the it said was saying

34:03

the N word for reasons that nobody just saying

34:05

the most racist shit, just the most

34:08

crazy shit, like so racist,

34:10

you're like, there's no way to hear

34:12

this without going that's just patently

34:14

racist. Yeah, and he was looking, I'm true, sorry

34:16

about that or whatever, and that was it. That was it. He's fine.

34:19

Spotify didn't do shit, people didn't stop listening,

34:21

and he's fine. Nobody's gonna say shit about it. You,

34:23

on the other hand, one false move, one

34:25

wrong move, one false step, and

34:28

you'll be squashed like a bug by people

34:30

on Twitter. That'll be it for you. You'll be

34:32

nothing true. You'll be then

34:34

that.

34:35

I'm glad we cut out that segment where I make fun

34:37

of of Americans.

34:38

Then, so you know what happen is you'll have to re emerge

34:40

as a right wing person, which is the only

34:42

way to re establish your your

34:45

dominance in the podcasting where it was to start

34:47

like a whatever, like the Republican

34:49

version of pay Pigs would be, which

34:52

I did.

34:52

The same.

34:53

It's the same. We just say the R word now, right,

34:58

just like Rogan, just like broke in which I

35:01

which I like, which I am great. Okay, So anyhow,

35:03

so you talked about RFK, but RFK the

35:05

thing that is odd to me is that he's getting like

35:07

regular coverage because

35:10

he's Robert Kennedy's child.

35:12

We're like, okay, we gotta take him seriously. But he

35:15

has some like tremendously batshit

35:18

crazy ideas about medicine,

35:21

like, you know, dangerously batshit

35:23

crazy ideas about like vaccines,

35:25

Like he's like, you don't need a vaccine,

35:28

you just need to work out more. I mean, like literally, there's

35:30

a video. You've seen the video of him, I assume

35:32

like doing push ups in genes. I assume

35:35

I'll see in that. Yeah, videos,

35:37

he's got a great body. It's got a great body.

35:39

I'd love to get he's got a hard body, like to get

35:41

my hands on it. But then when body,

35:43

if he starts talking about his ideas,

35:46

then we've got a real problem. I don't want it.

35:48

I think this is why you're seeing so much of him.

35:50

He's doing a good job of capturing this audience

35:52

because he's going on he's going on podcasts,

35:55

which is you know, the you

35:57

know, in the twenty twenty election, some

36:00

people went on podcasts. Bernie Sanders

36:02

went on Joe Rogan, do.

36:03

I hear am I hearing the invitation? I feel like I might

36:05

be am I hearing an RFK Junior, You're like

36:07

saying I need to engage more with his

36:10

I would love to have him now, that would be great, that would

36:12

be huge for you. I'd like to get our Jenna. Can

36:14

we book RFK Junior on this podcast?

36:16

Actually, in all seriousness, let's

36:18

let's I would like to book him if at all

36:20

possible. Can we look into that? Sure? Thank

36:23

you? Okay, sorry, let's get back back you

36:25

guys. He would probably do it. And that's the thing.

36:27

Can you imagine Joe Biden doing a

36:30

an hour and a half longing?

36:32

Definitely? We also see we can book

36:34

Joe Biden. You would come on the show for an hour

36:36

and a half on my show? No, I don't think

36:38

he would, but there's it. You never know. He might. Maybe

36:40

he listens to it. Maybe his grandkids are like big

36:43

if speech. I'd fucking

36:46

love to talk to Joe Biden. Man, he's so cool.

36:48

So he's the best. I love Joe Biden, just

36:51

a cool guy, just cruising Jenna.

36:53

Can you please put both Joe Biden and

36:55

RFK Junior on the guest list or

36:58

just on the we want I'm

37:00

dead serious, I'm going to reach out to his

37:02

campaign, and Jenny, can you just make

37:05

sure you get to them before Ben does, because

37:07

I need I need him,

37:09

I need to engage with him on some of his ideas

37:11

in the show.

37:12

And has no Booker now, right, so I'll

37:14

beat him no matter what.

37:16

All Right, you got to Booker. You're all on your own. Very

37:18

good, Very good, Jenna, Thank you for that masterful

37:21

stroke of strategy.

37:23

Right. You think that you think he's getting attentions because

37:25

he's going on podcasts. I think it's a very podcaster centric

37:27

view of things. Can I be honest with you.

37:29

Dude, Everyone listens to the podcast, especially like

37:31

the very like online people

37:34

who.

37:34

Are Yeah, I'm not debating that

37:36

I believe. I think you're right, but I

37:38

think it has a lot more to do with the fact

37:40

that he's a Kennedy, I have to tell you. And if

37:42

I just on the basic reality

37:46

of our media landscape, I think,

37:48

first off, that family is a fascinating, weird,

37:51

tragic It's the most elvis of

37:54

the political families, you know what I'm saying, Like

37:56

they are the elvis of politics,

37:58

if that makes any sense. It's

38:00

endlessly entertaining, It's

38:02

fucking camelot. It's an American story.

38:05

The assassination is a mysterious,

38:07

fucking Pandora's box that

38:10

we've never quite figured out. His assassination,

38:12

his dad's assassination, you know, a Pandora's

38:15

box. That whole thing is just like you

38:17

say, Kennedy, and people

38:19

are immediately interested. They want

38:21

to like see that person. What sucks

38:23

about it is a person

38:25

with these ideas should

38:28

be fairly like laughed out of

38:30

the room by most serious people, and

38:33

he is laughed out of a lot of rooms, you know. And I'm

38:36

not saying, you know, this is so funny. I hear

38:38

myself saying it. And I think about people going like, oh,

38:41

you don't want people to have free speech, They shouldn't be able

38:43

to express their opinions. Why shouldn't he get coverage

38:45

even if he doesn't agree with what you agree with, And it's

38:48

like, sure, you know that's

38:51

true. But I do think there's an outsized amount

38:53

of attention put on him because of his family

38:55

name, not his great policies.

38:58

Yeah, and I think it also be because

39:00

he's had kind of a ground swell on social

39:03

media. TikTok has played a big

39:05

part of it. Going on, Joe

39:07

Rogan was probably a huge, huge

39:09

bump for him, because once

39:12

you get a compelling enough sound

39:14

bite that catches fire

39:17

on the TikTok algorithm, then

39:19

it's really hard to put the genie back in the bottle,

39:21

and then it becomes our. It's like liver King, that

39:23

guy fucking liver King for a

39:25

hot couple of months on TikTok

39:28

and all the liver media.

39:29

Liver King.

39:31

Liver King is a guy who

39:33

is all about like living

39:35

like caveman and living

39:37

like caveman, and he's never got his shirt

39:39

on and he's just he eats like.

39:43

Is he rid?

39:43

Oh yeah yeah, And he was everywhere

39:46

he was going on every single podcast,

39:49

and part of it was because that's what the

39:51

TikTok algorithm dictated.

39:54

Okay, putting him. Jenna Jennet,

39:56

can we get liver King? Can

39:59

we get him on on the booking list?

40:01

Would like to talk to liver.

40:02

King from Grace, Like, I also

40:05

think he really chased off getting.

40:06

All this raw me.

40:08

He turned out to be like not

40:10

who he said he was.

40:11

Wow, Witch, it was that And it turns

40:14

out that he took steroids. Oh well.

40:16

He stills one point eight million followers on Instagram,

40:18

though doesn't it. I mean, it's god,

40:21

oh humanity.

40:23

Do you know how much seething jealousy

40:25

I felt when you said, who's liver?

40:27

King? To not have that on

40:29

my head? I'm definitely less

40:32

online than I have been in probably twenty

40:34

years. Yeah, So liver

40:37

here is meaning like he's living,

40:40

not like in reference to the body part,

40:42

right.

40:43

No, No, he hates a lot of raw liver because because

40:46

it's the most nutrient dense

40:48

part.

40:49

You guys are all missing the commonalities

40:51

here, which is like you're talking about two white men

40:53

with their shirt off all the time, Like, well,

40:57

true, and Joe Rogan does that too,

40:59

So I would just like to say there's a common

41:02

trophy.

41:02

Alex Jones. Alex Jones also took a shirt off

41:04

a lot. Actually, now that you mention it, maybe we're

41:06

missing.

41:07

And out on all four of them. All

41:10

four of those guys are beat red.

41:11

For something from steroids. I think

41:14

from drugs and steroids. What I don't

41:16

they don't seem like people who are living actual

41:18

healthy lifestyles, Like they don't. They

41:20

don't strike me as people who are legitimately

41:22

in good like shape, like

41:25

like, yes, he looks like RFK Junior looks

41:27

like he's in good shape, but like one bad

41:29

flu and that guy's fucking done for right, Okay,

41:32

straight up. I mean, not

41:34

everybody's gonna die from a bad flu,

41:36

but it doesn't help if you don't have the

41:38

flu vaccine, you know, And he's not getting

41:40

that shit.

41:41

So I don't know a lot of these

41:44

these right wing people. Now, it

41:46

seems like now they just they're

41:49

going back and questioning everything

41:51

we've ever been taught. And I saw a few

41:53

months ago some some prominent

41:56

right wing accounts talking about how sunglasses

41:59

are bullshit and how they've been lying

42:01

to us, and how it's actually good

42:03

for your eyes.

42:04

There's yeah, I mean, there's fucking

42:06

it's crazy. The position of

42:08

the right wing party in this country

42:11

is not to go down a rabbit hole. But it's

42:13

like there's no policy position. It's

42:15

all cultural and social

42:18

and it's all just a bunch

42:20

of like a schmorgasboard of batshit

42:22

crazy grievances that have

42:24

nothing to do with how anybody's actually living their

42:26

life. Like the trans stuff is like

42:29

it is a rounding error percentage

42:31

of Americans who have

42:33

to consider or engage with anything happening

42:35

with trans people, and it has become

42:38

a centerpiece of their policy

42:40

for reasons that is like beyond

42:43

comprehension. I mean, I guess they're trying to stir people

42:45

up to think that, you know, it's

42:47

like their pedophile projection that somehow

42:50

it's an extension of their pedophile projection

42:52

that like Democrats are really into child

42:54

abuse. That is the best they could come up with, which is

42:56

like a schoolyard taunt

42:58

at best kind of It's exhausting.

43:02

Yeah, I mean, I think if

43:04

you were to go around any neighborhood

43:06

and just knock on the door and be like, hey, what are the things

43:09

you're most concerned about politically, Like

43:11

what do you what do you what do you most want to

43:13

hear from a candidate? I don't think the

43:15

things that that person would say

43:18

would be the things that are being talked

43:20

about.

43:20

On their news. They're like, I mean, yeah,

43:23

it's.

43:23

Like they probably say, I want to be able to afford the

43:26

you know, healthcare for my family.

43:27

Right job like jobs to the economy.

43:30

I want job safety, I want to

43:32

make sure education is available to my creators.

43:35

That kind of thing, Yes, normal things, normal

43:37

things that normal people think about. That is actually a problem.

43:39

And I think that's across the spectrum,

43:41

Like that's left and right. I don't care who whose

43:43

door are you not?

43:44

I agree with you, think people I do

43:46

agree with you, but I think generally

43:48

speaking as of late,

43:51

as of like the last

43:54

I don't know, let's say decade

43:56

ish, but definitely it's been going on for a long time,

43:58

but there is really only one party that

44:00

seems to be engaging with like trying

44:03

to do things for people who live in the country

44:06

that like who need help and need support.

44:08

Like it feels like, you know, like Obamacare

44:10

is a thing that would the Republicans

44:12

did not want that. They don't want people to have health

44:14

insurance, like, and people really want health

44:17

insurance, and like the only

44:19

the people who say they don't want health insurance just don't

44:21

know that they need it. Like basically they're like not

44:23

really aware of how important having health insurance is.

44:25

You know, we're like one of the sickest countries in

44:28

the world, Like we have we have people who are so sick

44:30

and dying here and it's like has a lot of

44:32

it has to do with the fact that we don't have readily available,

44:34

universally available health care for people.

44:37

Josh the Free, the free market will take care

44:39

of that.

44:39

U COMMI sure, I mean, I'm not. I

44:42

see lots of wonderful, industrialized,

44:44

very successful, very rich countries that have uh

44:47

just even a basic form of some kind of socializa.

44:50

I'm not trying to get up on my on my soapbox

44:52

here. You no, no, I understand, I know you agree with me. You're a

44:54

burney guy. You fucking give it all away. You'd love

44:56

to have everybody just just step up

44:58

to there's a you know, on every street corner, there's a

45:00

machine. You just hit a number and it spits

45:02

out as much money as you want. That's what you'd like.

45:04

I understand, you know, you know, but you guys

45:06

aren't. You're not living in reality. Fucking Bernie,

45:09

you know it's going to skateboard into the White House

45:11

and uh you know, fucking dude,

45:14

hell you make America skate again, baby,

45:16

skateboard into the White House and turn off

45:18

the military industrial complex, leaving

45:20

us exposed, our borders open, wide

45:22

open, fucking uh you

45:24

know, exposed to the threat of the Chinese.

45:27

But hey, listen, could

45:29

happen, could be see this is where I'm

45:31

trying to take the show in a more of a RFKI

45:34

junior direction, you know,

45:36

like there's a lot of money.

45:37

There's a lot of a lot of money direction.

45:39

Look at the lucrative director.

45:40

No it is, That's what I'm saying. And then once

45:42

the tapes aret come out, with all of his ableism,

45:45

he'll have to, unfortunately move in that direction,

45:47

which is Emil. You could, you could

45:49

still, you could still salvage what's

45:52

left of your career here, but uh, it's gonna

45:54

be tough to get out from under that shadow. You

45:56

know.

45:57

I will say I did participate. I played

45:59

a I was playing a reporter that

46:02

was asking RFK Junior questions.

46:04

So I think I might be culpable if I were you,

46:06

I wouldn't have said that on another podcast. Personally,

46:08

I wouldn't call it out. But yeah, Jenna,

46:10

can we take Jenna? Is there anybody we can cut that

46:12

out? Hey, that's just one guy's, one

46:15

old guy's opinion. Okay, we should wrap

46:17

up. I mean, we could go for much longer, and there

46:19

are many things I'd love to talk to you guys about, but all

46:22

we will have to do is I will give you that

46:24

five thousand dollars a month and then just

46:26

pop on whenever no,

46:29

you'll come back, especially after you get

46:31

after you get the paypig stuff rolling. And

46:34

so you've got a live show. I just want

46:37

to I want to recap, I want to give you any I want to give

46:39

you as much promo love as humanly possible. You

46:41

have a live show in Brooklyn at the Bellhouse

46:43

on July eleventh. What time does that show

46:46

start? That is such a good question. I

46:48

don't know, but it doesn't matter because it's sold out.

46:51

It's sold out, a sold out fucking show. Look

46:53

at these guys and then filed out

46:55

in a day. And pay pigs I can find pay

46:57

pigs on Instagram, pay

47:00

pigs Pod at paypigs Pod.

47:02

Was you got a Twitter handle? What what's your Twitter

47:04

hand? All socials All Socials or pay

47:06

pigs pay pigs Pod. And what about if I'm

47:08

on if I want to hit if on a cruise to Patreon

47:11

that's Patreon dot com slash paypigs

47:13

Pod. Correct, Apparently you

47:15

get a fifteen dollars a VC fund fifteen

47:18

dollars a month level. This is good stuff.

47:20

Very interesting to update that with with what

47:22

you get because so far it's just you know.

47:25

Yeah, no difference from piggy tear at

47:27

this time, which is yeah,

47:29

yeah, it doesn't. I'm not feeling like it's selling

47:31

me on it, but uh, you know, you

47:33

got to do your own thing anyhow. Look, guys,

47:36

i just want to say, as expected, this

47:38

was super fun. I'm very excited

47:40

for your new this next chapter of

47:42

your careers. I'm sure you

47:44

have a lot of challenges ahead, a lot of new

47:46

frontiers to chart and

47:49

uh and I'm excited to watch it unfold. Thank

47:51

you. And I just want to say I'm

47:53

not going to pay the Patreon, but I support you guys

47:56

like you know, in spirit, like I

47:58

feel, I want you to succeed. I believe

48:00

you can succeed. And I'll

48:02

be watching and also regularly

48:05

inviting you back to check in on the progress. Thank

48:07

you so much us coming from you that means a lot.

48:09

We appreciate it.

48:11

Thank you, Josh. That feels so good.

48:13

Thank you.

48:22

Well. Those guys are great. I love

48:24

I love, I love those two. They're

48:26

the future, in my opinion, the future

48:29

of podcasting

48:31

as we know it, the future of hard

48:33

right, hard right wing podcasts,

48:37

and I'm excited excited to see how it all unfolds.

48:40

Well. That us our show for this week. We'll be back

48:42

next week with more what future,

48:45

and as always, I wish you and your family the

48:47

very very best.