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Hey,

5:33

it's Conrad Thompson and your listing with the voice of your childhood, Tony Shabani Tony.

5:41

What's going on, man? How are you?

5:44

Conrad is great. It's Thanksgiving week as this drops, it'll be the day before Thanksgiving and I'm doing great.

5:50

I hope you are. No, you're planning a big celebration at the con Radison.

5:55

It should be pretty Cool,

5:58

man. We're going to have 22 folks in it's like a fat guy, Christmas, you know, it's a Christmas without all the pressure of getting presents, all the great food, all the great fun and all the great family.

6:07

And once upon a time, all the great wrestling, it is a what happened when tradition, every Thanksgiving, we go back in time and watch a star Cade.

6:17

And boy, how fitting is it that we've been covering all things 1986 this year.

6:22

And we're going out this year with star Cade 86 as the granddaddy of a mall.

6:27

And we're not doing it alone, Tony.

6:31

No, we've got a very special guest with us, a guy who's a very good friend and a friend of the podcast.

6:36

And of course for you guys and gals who were on top guy weekend, you got to meet him personally.

6:42

And that is David Crockett. Hey David, Hey Tony,

6:45

how are you, Conrad? How are you doing tonight?

6:48

It's better than we deserve. We're so excited to be here with you.

6:51

We're pumped to watch Starkey at 86.

6:54

Oh, I'm pumped too. I really, I am ready for this.

6:56

That's a lot of history, definitely a lot of history there and what great matches really the fans and 1986 star K, they got more than they were asking for.

7:11

Well, I think all of our listeners have more than where we're asking for.

7:14

You know, people are used to just watching this with Tony and I, and now we've got David Crockett and Tony Shavani back together.

7:21

Tony it's hitting me in my 1986 fields.

7:25

It feels good. It really does. It feels good to go back at David you're right?

7:28

The fans were into everything that we did back then in Atlanta and in Greensboro.

7:33

And as we go along here, I want to we'll talk to you about the, you know, the challenges that, that you had, because I know you worked in production during the show, the challenges that you had to have two telecasts going at the same time or from two different arenas.

7:51

So Communication

7:53

back and forth. Yeah, absolutely.

7:55

With talent.

7:57

And you know, you only had a certain length of time that you've, you know, and trying to get all that to work.

8:03

That

8:03

that

8:03

was

8:06

Fun. Right? Stress,

8:08

the stress I loved.

8:10

Yeah, that's right. I believe you may.

8:12

There is stress in putting wrestling on TV.

8:15

And I know because it even happens today.

8:19

So, but it's the nature of the business.

8:22

I say that so many times that when they say, how do you get this done?

8:29

I said, well, you know, here's one thing that we always know about the wrestling business.

8:33

When you've got a live show and airtime hits you, you're going to go on the air, regardless of you're ready, regardless of whether you're ready or not, you're going to go on the air.

8:45

Right? Yeah. And there's no ending that you actually know and that you come on the air and you, you know, the matches, but things happen.

8:58

Well, boy, yeah.

8:59

You know, they're doing, you know, talents, talent wrestlers are wrestlers and they're human.

9:06

So, you know, it's, that's, that's the fun part.

9:11

And then technical too, you know, the satellite can go out.

9:14

The power can go out.

9:15

All that's happened before.

9:17

Mike's go out.

9:18

You name it. It's going to happen someday.

9:24

Well, it's going to happen for us today. We're going to be watching season four, episode one of star Cade on peacock.

9:30

That's stupid. So here at Lovenox explained it Starkey at 86 and we are super excited to be here with you.

9:37

Of course, this show went down in not one but two arenas on Thursday, November 27th, 1986.

9:45

So as people are watching this, Tony, this Saturday will be the 35th anniversary.

9:52

Does that make you feel old?

9:55

Yeah. Wow.

9:58

Yeah. And not only that as, as you know, as you know, well, David and Conrad's finding out, cause he just turned the big four zero, the old, the older you get the faster time goes.

10:10

He really does.

10:12

Yes. Yeah, definitely. It does.

10:14

You know, I, I can't believe this.

10:17

This year is over. I can't either.

10:19

Yeah. Lois said the other day didn't we just have, then we just have a new roof put on the house.

10:25

I went yeah. Six years ago.

10:27

Wow. What? So yeah, six years.

10:30

And that's how quickly time goes by.

10:31

So My grandson James, he's 18 years old.

10:37

Oh my God. See, there you go.

10:39

Yeah. Yeah.

10:41

Well, I have to bring up, we talked earlier.

10:43

I've got the Bible here.

10:45

The red book. Yeah, man, 1986.

10:49

Explain to everybody Mr. Crockett. What, you're, what you're holding in your hand.

10:55

Starting with my father.

10:56

He, every wrestling match that ever happened, he had a red book.

11:03

This is a red book, a diary.

11:04

So to speak every match, the outcomes and so forth were all in the book.

11:11

And it progressed every year.

11:14

Unfortunately the only books I have left are 19 86, 19 85 and 1987.

11:23

It

11:23

was

11:23

just,

11:23

they

11:23

were

11:23

too

11:28

many. And my boss, she said no more.

11:35

Okay. I don't need it. It's like Lois c'mon.

11:39

Yeah. W w wait, hold on. So what'd you do with books?

11:41

So what'd you do with the books?

11:44

You, I gave them away.

11:47

Conrad. I know I'm heartbroken too.

11:49

So hypothetically in a loud and clear voice, can you tell me who you gave those away to?

11:54

I just liked to program that in my phone.

11:56

So

11:59

yeah. We're excited that you're here because you actually sent Tony and I a screen grab of one of those, because you found the actual event that we're talking about today.

12:08

And I handled all the matches.

12:11

Oh, hold on here. Let me, let me get the Wolf.

12:14

I mean, at this 1986 book is what you call very used.

12:21

It's let me see if I can.

12:23

You guys can see this.

12:25

Wow. This is the 1986 star Cade.

12:32

It

12:32

has

12:32

the

12:32

running

12:32

total

12:32

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12:32

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final,

12:32

and

12:32

then

12:32

the,

12:32

all

12:32

the

12:44

matches.

12:46

So, you know, w we we've seen Bruce Prichard keep a record like this when he was booking with Vince back in the day, but she were riding down houses and advances in the actual card.

12:56

Did, did your brother Jimmy keep a book similar to this?

12:59

Or were you responsible?

13:01

Oh, gosh. Yeah, this was, this was his, you know, he, he was the leader of the company.

13:07

So he was in charge of the book.

13:09

And so he didn't want them really did not didn't want, w did not want anything and just, It

13:24

was a sore spot. So he was ready to just wet.

13:27

Yeah, sore spot. And then to, you know, Turner, when they took us over, they backed up a truck.

13:34

And, but I thought they were going to take everything, but they didn't, they didn't take the 16 millimeter film that was shot in Greensboro, on other buildings, the two-inch tape.

13:48

That was all the way back to my father's time.

13:52

When we used to produce wrestling WBT and Charlotte, w R E L G H P on Hopland, all those tapes are gone.

14:04

They didn't want to deal with them.

14:07

So, and that, and they can't find the tapes that they did take, you know, Georgia championship wrestling, Turner cap, one type, two inch tape, and stored it upstairs and tech wood, but they remodeled and sent it to iron mountain and that's gone.

14:31

Vince doesn't have it.

14:34

So we, I think we, you and I have mentioned that before to each other off air, but we've never actually talked about it where everyone can hear, some of our listeners will hear you say that and say, Hey, what the heck is iron mountain?

14:46

As you understand it, how was out in my iron mountain explained me, iron Mountain

14:51

is a storage facility that they would take television tapes, films, and store them.

14:58

You know, that it's, it's conditioned space.

15:01

In other words, humidity, temperature.

15:04

It's always constant.

15:05

So your, your television tapes and, and film are not in danger of being destroyed by the elements.

15:14

You

15:14

know,

15:14

people's

15:14

store

15:14

files

15:14

in

15:14

iron

15:22

mountain. It's a, it's a company.

15:25

So as the legendary somewhere, there you go.

15:27

The, the LTBs tapes are there, but I am curious, you know, take me through how these transfers these red books happened.

15:36

Is this when your brother moved back to Texas, or is this when you guys sold or years later, when do you remember getting his old books there?

15:46

When,

15:46

all

15:49

right. When we sold, it was combination the, the older books, he did not take with him to texts the, his books.

16:00

He took the Texas course, then he didn't want to keep them, you know, that when the deal was made with Turner, he said, that's it.

16:16

And so it was, came to an abrupt in, And

16:22

he just like shipped you a whole box of wrestling stuff.

16:26

Well, I went to Texas and sorta cleaned the office there and took different things.

16:33

The people from Turner went down there to, to see what was available and you know that, and that's a shame because too, if you remember, we bought mid south.

16:48

Yeah. So all of those tapes were sitting at the station there in Dallas.

16:54

Don't know, don't know what happened to those.

16:57

I know Turner. Didn't take them.

16:59

Thanks about that.

17:02

Yeah. So maybe bill Watts has them It's

17:08

worth it. I ask. Yeah.

17:11

What, what all was in Dallas that would make Turner want to come out and take a look?

17:16

Is it just files or was there more, more to it than that?

17:20

And the office out there, More, more files.

17:22

All production was basically done here except, you know, the tapes that mid south hand.

17:30

And we would work on some things there.

17:32

But as far as any production, basically, basically production the shows interviews was done here in Charlotte.

17:45

So Tony is pretty remarkable to think all these years, not only do we have Mr.

17:51

David Crockett with us first arcade 86, but he's brought along Jimmy's book.

17:55

This is about as cool of a guest as we could possibly have for our watch along.

17:59

And this is a marathon show, boys and girls.

18:02

So we want you to not only pull it up, but find a time code.

18:05

We're seasoned for episode one star Cade 86, where one hour, 23 minutes and 36 seconds, without us starting here, this would have been a four hour affair, Tony and, and candidly at my advanced age, I would Peter out.

18:20

So I'm glad that you guys decided to acquiesce to me and let us trim this up a little bit.

18:27

So we're at one hour 23 minutes and 36 seconds.

18:30

And Tony, I think you have a, a, a very special countdown for us today.

18:35

Yeah. We're going to have our buddy and David.

18:37

We have our friends who are low key, big hogs and our fans to our countdown for, so we're going to have one from another one from DJ Turner out of Atlanta.

18:46

It's a very involved long countdown.

18:49

So please bear with us on that.

18:52

You'll, you'll enjoy this.

18:54

David here are the matches that we are not going to, by the way, not going to show you because calls the exception.

18:59

One of them, most of them were just sort of very, they were, yeah, they, they, they weren't made of at matches.

19:05

It started out with Tim Horner and Nelson Royal against Rocky Kernodle and Don curdle, bright Armstrong and Jimmy Garvin, Hector Guerrero, and Baron Von rash, Higgins, shaft SCA, and the barbarian crusher and Ivan against the Kansas Jayhawks, wahoo McDaniel against Rick rude in Indian strap match and Sam Houston and bill Dundee for the central states title.

19:26

So those six matches we will not bring you, but we will start with Jimmy valued against Paul Jones because we spent a lot of time on that one.

19:35

And that was the first match announced. And that's going to be the hair of Paul Jones against the hair of big mama.

19:41

So,

19:45

yeah. So with that in mind, if everybody, it was just the hair, but you are okay.

19:52

So I'm getting the spinning wheel of death right now.

19:56

So give me a second and we'll, But

20:00

while, while we're waiting on Tony's technology to catch up, because he does live in the Backwoods of Marietta, I do want to ask Mr.

20:07

Crockett. This is really the first year that we saw any departure from Greensboro Starkey at 83, 84 and 85 had been a Greensboro only event and an 86, we still have a show in Greensboro, and it's a sellout 16,000 fans right now.

20:26

Star Cade is a, a two, two event show.

20:31

We've also got the Omni and we've got 14,000 fans there in Atlanta who had the vision for let's make this bigger than just one town.

20:41

Let's go beyond Greensboro.

20:42

Let's go to the Omni, Jimmy And

20:45

dusty. They did.

20:47

And,

20:47

you

20:47

know,

20:47

I

20:47

went

20:47

and

20:52

okay. I don't think they, they had an idea of what it was gonna entail.

20:59

You know, they just said, give it to Mikey.

21:01

He can make it work. So I made it work, you know, but it, it, it was a challenge, you know, especially for them, you know, you have two people that want to be in control.

21:15

And if they're sitting in Greensboro and their matches in Atlanta, guess what?

21:23

You're really aren't in control as far as the time and so forth.

21:29

And that's, that's the thing that was scaring me is time.

21:33

As far as the individual matches and a delay, we were using audio and communication on the, we call it the side van of the uplink back and forth to communicate.

21:48

Cause they'd have like JJ, Dylan, R or Sandy Scott in Atlanta, and they were in Greensboro or vice versa.

21:57

So it was fun to listen to while I was in the truck.

22:06

So just so I'm clear, Oh

22:08

man. Too bad. They couldn't record those conversations.

22:11

Yeah. That's the feed we want to hear today for sure.

22:14

Yeah. Yeah. Right. You to be clear, Mr.

22:17

Crockett, for the best of your recollection, you were in the trucking Atlanta for this event.

22:23

Yes. Yes. And Tony, where were you for this event?

22:26

In Atlanta? I was in Atlanta and I was one of the two announcers in Atlanta.

22:31

The other guy was the kid from central states.

22:34

I can't remember his name, Rick something.

22:36

He and I worked that show together and I think it was Bob coddle and Johnny Weaver in Charlotte during the commentary.

22:43

I believe that's the way it happened.

22:47

Can you believe that dusty and your brother, they were both in Greensboro.

22:51

Yes. Okay.

22:53

Yes. And see, they also had to take a plane from Greensboro to Atlanta and that right.

23:06

Tony, they wanted to be part of that towards the end, right?

23:11

Yeah. Yeah. And that, you know, is different to think about, you know, taking a plane in the show, doesn't matter what, and you want to take off and are there delays?

23:25

Is there weather, you know?

23:28

And then that length of time, let's say it's at least an hour or more they're in flight out of communication.

23:36

You don't think they had the pucker factor.

23:39

Horrible Lord.

23:42

More than usual.

23:43

They

23:43

always

23:43

have

23:43

the

23:43

pucker

23:43

factor,

23:43

but

23:43

more

23:43

than

23:50

usual. So yeah, some, some great stories about trying to get this on the air.

23:55

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27:01

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27:02

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28:31

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28:33

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28:35

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28:44

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28:46

Trucking time. Rucking Tom buddy.

28:49

Yup. He was a radio announcer for WB T a M right?

28:54

Clear channel station, right with all the trucks.

29:00

6:00 AM. All the truckers.

29:02

Yup.

29:05

And here you see the raging bull saying, Nope, I'm going to sit right here on the outside of the ring.

29:09

And there's a baby Earl arguing.

29:11

No, you got to get in this cage.

29:13

You gotta get over here. You gotta get in this cage.

29:15

How hot what's this Greensboro crowd for a bogey boogeyman.

29:20

This was, I Think this was Charlotte.

29:25

Well, the shows It

29:27

was Greensboro because I was the ring announcer in Atlanta.

29:30

So very good. Yeah. But no, you're right.

29:32

They were hot, man.

29:35

Conrad. They always were hot. Weren't they?

29:37

Greensboro Greensboro

29:39

was electric.

29:41

Right. He came there to yell and scream and let their tension go.

29:49

Okay. So you see the Baron and Tim Horner, Nelson Royal, or are there they all had matches earlier.

29:55

Here comes Kwaku spirit of spirit of 76 buddy.

29:59

And any gun?

30:01

Ah, yes, yes.

30:02

Oh, wow.

30:03

What a, what a priceless Person.

30:05

What a man, buddy.

30:08

Did you guys have a nickname for that shark cage apparatus that we see the raging bull being suspended?

30:13

You know, that's a good, good thing. Shark cage.

30:15

I mean, it, it could be a shark cage because it's solid steel.

30:24

Yeah. I think, I think maybe didn't dusty call it Betty Lou at one time when they put JJ he Might

30:32

have, yeah. Yeah.

30:34

What, I remember more, what I remember about that shark cage more than anything else was we put it right beside you and I one time.

30:41

And this was 85 when we first started and in Atlanta at the studios and dusty had JJ dress up in a gorilla suit.

30:52

Oh God me find That

30:56

tape. I'm sure it's we can, oh Yeah.

31:00

And I, I stuck the microphone and, and they, they said, you need to interview the gorilla.

31:06

I said, okay.

31:07

And then I stuck the microphone in front of the grill.

31:10

And only thing that the girl had said was because I remember Dustin, that's all gorillas do.

31:16

Right. The only thing they do is go, it's a, so that's what they did Now.

31:22

This match is not this match. Not going to go long here.

31:25

No. And, and this is an unusual match.

31:28

I mean, good grief. Paul Jones and boogie-woogie man, you know?

31:33

Yeah. Long,

31:35

Long, still has the same types by the way guarantee.

31:39

I bet he does, but he Does

31:42

other I'm sure he does brother.

31:49

He's a lot thinner now. Oh

31:51

my God. I got, is he ever Big

31:55

mama up to these days? You guys know?

31:58

No, I know. I know at one time she had a florist shop.

32:03

Yeah. Big, big mama's flowers, right?

32:06

Yeah. They had, they had a daughter who was absolutely.

32:09

I mentioned this on telecast before on our podcast was absolutely gorgeous.

32:13

Their daughter, I can't remember her name, but That's it.

32:23

Yeah.

32:26

Let's talk a damn dirty cheater. Paul Jones, Paul

32:35

Jones. But see right now he's taking too much time.

32:41

Jimmy Dunn juiced. So, you know, Jimmy obviously Valiant was not the greatest worker in the world that his promos were the best.

32:50

And, and a lot of times he didn't heat it.

32:54

One, two, he kicks out now.

32:57

Not a lot of times, he didn't go long.

32:59

And I remember talking to dusty one time and this was, I just remember this.

33:03

I don't remember the conversation or how it was that Jimmy Valiant, right after this, they didn't use him that much.

33:10

And dusty was, wasn't pleased the fact that Jimmy didn't want to go long and he's matches.

33:15

Do you remember that?

33:17

Yeah. Well for one thing he couldn't, he was not in condition to do it.

33:22

Right. You would think just being in the ring almost every night that you would, but he just, he didn't, you know, and too with this, Paul is out of shape.

33:35

Yeah. Yeah. So As

33:39

a manager, right. I mean he's right.

33:41

And Paul had been wrestling for gosh, he'd been around and especially in the Mid-Atlantic territory with you guys.

33:50

Yeah, absolutely. I'm a really, I mean, yeah, right.

33:53

I mean he was with rip Hawk and sweet Hanson.

33:58

Yeah. He's absolutely Bronco Lew beach.

34:01

Wow. Wow. There's some old, yeah. Paul had been around for a long, long time and had been in selling Amway for most of that day.

34:10

Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Danny and I stopped wrestling and opened up a garage.

34:16

Yeah. Until he passed away. He had a garage.

34:19

Yeah.

34:21

Yeah. Paul was really an easy going guy, man.

34:24

Just

34:24

always,

34:24

always

34:24

talk

34:24

to

34:31

you. Always, always in the back there with a dip in spit in the cup.

34:37

Quite a few had it. Oh My

34:39

God. Yes. Yeah. I know there was a lot of cleanup of the spit and this cups on Wednesdays after, after we did our interviews And

34:47

that's one reason they hated us at the studios there in Atlanta because all the spit cups lift around on people's desk.

35:00

Talk to me, David about, oh, I see the, You

35:03

got the gimmick. The weapon That

35:05

Paul Jones had been hiding is now in the hands of boogie-woogie talk to me about production for this show.

35:11

You know, just what your role was, the stresses you're going through that day, your experience at this very moment.

35:17

You're in the truck, out in the back of the building.

35:20

Is that right?

35:21

In Atlanta and where we're now we have two television crews.

35:27

So making sure that we, we did our camera checks, audio checks before anything went on.

35:36

Oh shit. I guess we started about noon working on making sure everything was correct.

35:42

The lighting Mike and the rings are they're cutting it.

35:48

They're cutting his hair. Yeah.

35:49

I'm going to shave him, make him a ball, hit a geek.

35:51

And

35:51

David,

35:51

you

35:51

worked

35:51

in

35:51

the

35:51

truck

35:51

with

35:51

the

35:51

Emerson

35:56

Lawson. Wayne. Daniel.

35:58

Yeah. Wayne was

36:01

Wayne

36:01

could

36:01

talk

36:01

your

36:01

ear

36:01

off,

36:01

but

36:01

man,

36:01

he's

36:06

good. He was good at, in the tape machine.

36:09

Yeah. He grabbed highlights.

36:12

Yeah. Quickly. Yes.

36:14

Yeah. And we had remember Brenda Evans did the video for the video Guy.

36:20

Ron. Yeah. Brenda worked in there. Yeah.

36:22

Yeah. Emerson was doing the TD.

36:26

I actually directed Atlanta.

36:30

Right. Yeah.

36:31

And of course you mentioned Jeff Bornstein with the lights was Jeff with Back

36:36

at that time. No, Jeff wasn't okay.

36:38

Was not with us. Okay.

36:39

Al Smith.

36:40

I'll Smith Smith.

36:43

Yep.

36:45

Our lighting packages then were not like they were with a WCW, right?

36:54

Yeah. We just had park hands. Now I did get very light for Atlanta to I bought and didn't buy rented.

37:04

Here we go. Manny.

37:06

Ah, of course, of course.

37:10

Got to do that.

37:11

Well, David, th the, the staging, the setting was not as critical as, as it was there's Rick rude.

37:21

We ha we, we wanted everyone.

37:24

If the match was the most important part, not the entrance, so to speak.

37:30

Right. We wanted the fan to hear, you know, everything that was going on, you know, sound wise.

37:39

And then, you know, the, my biggest concern.

37:43

Oh, you got him.

37:46

Biggest concern was the cameraman.

37:48

You get a normal camera like Paul O baldhead a geek, you know, going back to that, but see, because we didn't have a lot of lines.

38:07

That's why it's so dark. She had basic Parkin line package round.

38:12

Right. I need the rears while Wally do, he wants to talk about Tufts son of a Yeah,

38:15

he was, I've mentioned Wally many times.

38:17

Wally Dusik.

38:19

As a matter of fact, along that front row, we saw Wally Dusik.

38:22

We saw Tom Miller and that we saw Bob cuddle and Johnny Weaver there as well.

38:26

Yeah, you're right.

38:28

But the lighting back then was just to light the ring.

38:31

It didn't need the right light, the entrance there wasn't pyro.

38:34

He didn't have to like the fans, different colors to him to make it seem like there were a lot of, you didn't have to, he didn't have to light to S to show people.

38:42

There are a lot of fans because there were a lot of fans.

38:44

You could hear them. Yeah,

38:46

that's right. And we didn't have to the Mike, the fans it's right there.

38:50

You know, it was, they were so loud that, you know, you put a couple of mikes up left and right.

38:57

Of what I call the heart camps, you know, the, and you know, that was the audience.

39:03

There was Jimmy.

39:06

Yeah. So Mr. Crock had talked to us a little bit about just the way you're competing with fence, but man, I mean, you, you've sort of laid out that, Hey, this is the way we live things and shot things.

39:17

And the insurance wasn't as important as the matches and Bubba, blah, but we know Vince is going to start leveling up production.

39:24

I don't know. I mean, 86, certainly he was trying to, but it feels like 87, 88.

39:29

It really started to level up production wise for the world wrestling Federation that sort of falls on, on your direction a little bit where you trying to keep up in any shape, form or fashion with what Vince was doing at the time.

39:44

Some of it lighting wise, I knew I could not because of the amount of money he was spending, I actually had a budget.

39:53

You know, when it was our company, when I went to WCW, Ted thing was just, you know, make it happen, period.

40:03

Yeah. So money was not an object with us, you know, it was, we wanted you to see the match, see the ring and you know, the fans and their reaction that you could hear it, but we didn't necessarily, you didn't need to see it.

40:24

I see them, you hear them.

40:26

Right. We saw the wrestlers going into the dark right there.

40:29

Right. Yeah. You know, and, and to that interest takes away time from the match in the rain, you know, that, I think Hogan, when he was WWE, you know, half his match was going to the ring and just about everybody else.

40:51

So, So

40:55

are, are you saying David, that you didn't, that you really thought that was the wrong way to go?

40:59

And you thought that maybe what was in the ring was more important than the entrance?

41:04

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Plus I knew I couldn't do it.

41:07

Yeah. Yeah. Money-wise, I'm

41:10

fascinated by that. Mr. Crockett, because for years the narrative has been, you guys perhaps overspent on things like the great American bash tour and some of the musical acts and the stadium and then the conversation.

41:24

Not that that's totally that that's when yeah.

41:29

I, I said, golly, you know, to Jimmy dusty acid, you know, you're, you're spending $2 million to make a million.

41:40

Something's wrong with this.

41:42

Yeah. You know, when you do the green American bash and the country, the country acts singing.

41:48

And I mean just all the travel to get to the yeah.

41:54

Yeah. And you know of the scaffold match that's coming on later.

42:00

God. So we alternate, we alternated back then between the Omni and the Greensboro Coliseum.

42:06

Of course. And yes.

42:07

Now see, I had more lights here, right?

42:10

In Atlanta. You can see the crowd.

42:13

Yeah. You can see a crowd. My head, I was getting backed up.

42:16

I saw what was the group?

42:21

Oh,

42:21

let's

42:21

take

42:21

a

42:26

listen. Bob Taylor, Great wrestling coming up in the holiday season with the second annual bunkhouse stampede 20 men in the ring at one time.

42:34

And the winner will be the last man standing.

42:36

And now here to tell you all about the second annual bunkhouse stampede is Nelson Royal Howdy

42:50

partner, come on and have a cup of coffee.

42:52

Glad she could make it because I've been asked to explain a few things about a bunkhouse stampede match.

42:58

And I consider myself an authority on it.

43:02

But I was in the first one that was ever held in Texas.

43:05

And I came out of it with a broken arm.

43:08

And where they derive from was in the Western part of the country, where you had 10, 15, 20 men living in a, a bunkhouse, something like this behind us here.

43:20

And when you put man that close together, you've got to have problems.

43:23

You had a lot of bad blood between some people when there was no other way to settle it, you did one thing.

43:34

You went outside and you went the way you work, not have your boots on.

43:39

You might have your jeans, have you shirt, your spurs, whatever.

43:43

And that's how you went out.

43:45

And

43:45

you're

43:45

winner

43:45

of

43:45

something

43:45

like

43:45

that

43:45

was

43:45

the

43:45

man

43:45

that

43:45

was

43:45

left

43:50

standing.

43:50

And

43:50

now

43:50

they've

43:50

come

43:50

a,

43:50

like

43:50

I

43:50

said,

43:50

few

43:50

years

43:50

ago,

43:50

and

43:50

they

43:50

had

43:50

this

43:50

bunkhouse

43:50

stampede,

43:50

Dory

43:50

funk

43:50

singer

43:50

had

43:50

it

43:50

in

43:59

Texas.

43:59

And

43:59

it's

43:59

one

43:59

of

43:59

the

43:59

wildest

43:59

things

43:59

you'll

43:59

ever

43:59

see

43:59

in

43:59

your

44:04

life.

44:04

The

44:04

second

44:04

worst

44:04

thing

44:04

that

44:04

you

44:04

can

44:04

be

44:04

in

44:04

and

44:04

most

44:04

dangerous

44:04

match

44:04

is

44:04

a

44:04

battle

44:04

Royal

44:04

where

44:04

you've

44:04

got

44:04

20

44:04

men

44:04

in

44:04

a

44:12

ring. And the only way that you can be eliminated is to be thrown over the cop rope.

44:16

Well, you take these two and you combine them, put them together.

44:20

And

44:20

you've

44:20

got

44:20

something

44:20

that's

44:20

really

44:20

a

44:20

deadly

44:20

match

44:20

because

44:20

the

44:20

money

44:20

greed

44:20

and

44:20

bad

44:20

make

44:20

things

44:20

a

44:20

lot

44:20

tougher

44:20

than

44:20

what

44:20

they

44:20

really

44:20

are

44:20

because

44:20

you've

44:20

got

44:20

men

44:20

that

44:20

come

44:20

in

44:20

this

44:42

ring. And like I said, they can bring anything they want to bring.

44:44

There are virtually no rules.

44:46

There's nothing to stop a man from doing anything.

44:49

You can bring the cow bells.

44:50

He can bring a good branding, iron, whatever he wants.

44:55

Because when you get into this type of match, you have no friends because it's next.

45:00

There's no such thing. As a friend, when you're in there, you have to watch your back, your front, everything about you.

45:06

You're in danger of being hurt.

45:09

You get broken legs because of people flying around in the ring.

45:13

Like I said, when there's money involved, there's a lot of things can happen.

45:19

And the only way that you can be a winner in this, you've got to be the last man standing in the middle of the ring.

45:27

When I say the last man standing, Mr.

45:31

That's, that is a problem within itself in believing when you can only be eliminated from this match is to throw you over the cop throws.

45:41

Then when you're the last man standing in the middle of the ring and brother, you can call yourself the bull of the woods.

45:56

So there you see at the second annual bunkhouse stampede coming in December, Tony's spent a long time since I've seen that promo, what do you make of that from Nelson oil?

46:05

Well, that was obviously shot up in Mooresville where, where Nelson was from.

46:09

I vividly David.

46:10

Remember that? I also want to say that for Bob Taylor.

46:15

Goodness. Bob was, Bob was my color guy with the Charlotte owes.

46:19

And so that's how I remember Bob Bob and I did the Charlotte L's games together.

46:25

And, and obviously this is well now, as we move on David from here, this is into December and into the new year.

46:33

This is going to be the focus we've had the great American bashes with the star Cade, and now the bunkhouse stampedes, and also saw very young David Crockett standing in the ring with dusty dusty roads that, that check to win the bunkhouse stampede boy, here we go.

46:56

So let's take a listen here.

46:59

The home of the first ever Jim Crockett, senior Memorial cup, the greatest international tag team wrestling tournament of all time, featuring wrestlers from all over the world, competing for the Jim Crockett senior Memorial cup and that $1 million prize to the team that could outlast all the others in the new Orleans Superdome.

47:18

Let's take a look down memory lane and reviews some of the great action from those great matches in Louisiana and April Nelson Royal.

47:26

And So Mr. Crockett, you know, this is prime time for you guys.

47:32

You know, you've had the success of being on TBS for over a year.

47:37

Now the rock and roll express are fresh off of their super summer Sizzler tour, which exceeded all expectations.

47:44

You've set a series of records.

47:46

You've expanded your great American bash concept from one show to a 13 city tour.

47:52

Now star Cade is too big for just one place to, we've not just got a sold-out crowd in Greensboro, but now 14,000 or so in the Omni, is this the hottest year in the history of Jim Crocky promotions?

48:08

I'm going to have to say yes, you know that it, but also I think in some cases it might been the beginning of the end to you.

48:20

You can, oh, there's Baba in That

48:23

Baba. Yeah.

48:27

Oh my word About that. That's from new Orleans up earlier in the year.

48:32

Yeah. In new Orleans with the cup, you know, we were, at that point, we were trying to get some of the other NWA alliances promotions to be part, I guess you going back to Bob.

48:50

Sure. Your pleasure. It'll be Friday, April the 10th and Saturday, April the 11th at the Baltimore arena in Baltimore, Maryland.

48:57

The second annual Jim Crockett, senior Memorial cup, two nights of great wrestling action.

49:03

The greatest tag team wrestlers from all over the world.

49:07

At two o'clock in the day we began with 24 genes.

49:10

We now have two remaining one fall to a finished for $1 million.

49:16

And the gym's Brocket senior Royal cup, which is at ringside with us right now.

49:23

Mr. Crockett, any idea where that old Crockett cap wound up after all these years It

49:28

was at Turner. They had it upstairs above CNN center and display area.

49:35

That's the last time I saw it.

49:39

Oh, now see, now David dammit. I'm going to be charged to go down to tech wood and try to pride loose from them yet with a check, with a check from Conrad Thompson, these are off.

49:50

I'm sure that, you know, once we were sold, they no telling what they did with it.

49:57

Yeah. Right. But that's where it was.

50:00

Yeah.

50:02

So the road wars, there you go In

50:04

Baltimore Memorial arena on Friday, April the 10th and Saturday, April the 11th.

50:09

When the second annual Jim Crockett senior Memorial cup takes place in 1987.

50:14

And now let's go back to the ring and here are the final moments of that first great championship match.

50:23

So they call it a championship match, but really it's the, the cup.

50:27

And we've got very young Tony Shavani there let's track it.

50:31

Ladies

50:36

and gentlemen, we're joined by business.

50:38

Jim Crockett, senior Jim Crockett, the president of Jim Crockett promotions, Mr.

50:42

Bill Watson, president of the universal wresting Federation, Mrs.

50:45

Crockett Gray

50:48

line here, Ladies

50:49

and gentlemen. And I'm delighted to present this first Jim Crockett Memorial cup to these two.

51:03

I clipped it where she called them the road runners, which is great.

51:06

Yeah. Yeah. That's tremendous. I

51:07

guess

51:07

what

51:07

she

51:07

can

51:07

call

51:07

them

51:07

anything

51:07

she

51:13

want. Yeah.

51:15

How cool is he? You guys are announcing tickets for the next year right there.

51:19

Oh yeah. And, and ticket sales did Well.

51:23

Oh, I'm sure they did.

51:25

Yeah. I, you know, at, at, you know, it intermission at Greensboro tickets would go on sale for the next arcade.

51:32

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, which first time we did it, I was amazed at the number of people that bought a year In

51:38

advance. They would sell the tickets are saying yes, Not

51:41

knowing what the matches can go. They just knew it would be good.

51:44

And they wanted to get their seats.

51:47

Right. So awesome.

51:50

I mean, yeah. I want, I want to say something for second about Mrs.

51:54

Crockett, because David, I spent a number of dinners parties at your mom's house.

52:02

She always had a party or I had a dinner, but you, her house was in the Myers park area.

52:08

If correct me, if I'm wrong on this, David and didn't she have a tree growing in the middle of the house?

52:15

Yes. Okay. That was, that was, that was Jimmy and mom's house.

52:21

She, she had, yeah, the, the tree and when it rain she'd call me over saying, all right, we need to figure something out because you know, you couldn't actually keep the tree from moving.

52:37

Right. When the rent and rain started coming in, you know?

52:40

Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've never heard.

52:42

I've never heard of that. Have you Conrad?

52:43

I know. You're you deal in real estate and mortgages the tree right.

52:47

In the middle of the house.

52:49

Know, I know of one house like that.

52:51

I actually know of a house in Guntersville that actually has a Creek running through it.

52:56

Okay. It was designed around that Creek and the tree, but yes, a little unusual, but very, very cool.

53:02

And yeah, it just adds to the legend, right?

53:06

Yeah. Sure does. It sure does.

53:08

So Jimmy, yeah.

53:11

Something else, man. I, So

53:13

what you said, it was a Jim and your mom.

53:16

So your brother and your mom shared home.

53:21

Yes. Okay. Okay.

53:24

One. Well, it was because it, about that time Jimmy's wife left him.

53:31

Right. And so Jace, the son, so mom said, well, I'm gonna move in.

53:39

Yeah. And He

53:41

was glad to have the help. I'm sure.

53:44

I'm sure. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.

53:45

It was. Yeah.

53:46

So

53:49

yeah. She ruled the roost. Yes she did.

53:51

Yeah. It was her. Yeah. You might say it was her house, right?

53:54

Yeah. Let's listen to Mr. Crow and Mr.

53:57

Cornet here, I present now my personal body guard, six feet, eight, three hundred and fifty seven pounds.

54:09

Big Ladies

54:16

and gentlemen. This is a Louisville street fight.

54:19

There is no time limit.

54:21

The battle can commence anywhere in the Omni floor.

54:26

The way you lose is either by a pin fall or a 10 counts.

54:32

The opponent for a big buh-bye is from Atlanta, Georgia, 236 pounds.

54:39

The man with the hands of stone, Ron Garmin, You

54:45

can tell that was a Georgia accent he had.

54:48

Right. What Ron Garvin did.

54:50

Yes. Yes He did.

54:54

We had Ronnie, we had Ronnie Garvin on David the week before last week here on the, on our podcasts.

55:01

And we ask him about working for the crockets and he wanted to talk about working for your father.

55:08

Cause that's when he first started, he had a lot of great things to say about your dad.

55:13

And about the, about a crock had promotions before, you know, before you and Jimmy took over the company after dad passed away.

55:20

So obviously Ronnie Garvin had been pretty, pretty entrenched in, in the Crockett promotions.

55:27

Yes, definitely.

55:28

You know, he had his trailer business that he would be old trailers, you know, horse trailers, just, you know, as pastime and just to me, great guy, you know, and yeah.

55:47

When he, when he hit guys, you know, it, we were talking about is they want to do an open fist or something.

55:55

Ah, Ronnie, he's going to connect a little bit.

56:00

Yeah. Yeah. You will have to take a little bit of punishment.

56:03

Right? Well, he told his Conrad and this is a, this is something that, that really think about.

56:09

We, we, we talked to Ronnie, we said, because we saw so many matches.

56:13

We've watched so many matches from the TV studios where he would take these guys and actually, you know, stretch them and be really, really rough with him.

56:22

And he, yeah, I did because that's the way I was brought into the business.

56:25

The, the older guys in the business, when I came, came in and I was just a young guy, he said they used to stretch me.

56:32

So I thought that was a way of indoctrinating you into the business.

56:36

So that's, that's very old school the way he did it, but I love it.

56:42

I did too. I make, and they fought it.

56:44

You could see those, those job guys who come in knowing they're going to get killed.

56:49

Yeah. You know, they put their hands up there back some of that rope.

56:54

Yeah. He and John Valentine.

56:56

Yeah. Oh yeah.

56:57

Now he lives in West Virginia.

57:00

Now it, Yes. Yes he does. We, we talked to him, he was seeing his family were driving to Florida, shows you how tight he still is, because I know he can afford to fly to Florida, but they were driving to Florida.

57:11

And so yeah, he does live in West Virginia.

57:14

And I think I have a good feeling that Ronnie saved most of his money.

57:18

So he's probably got his own little mountain in West Virginia somewhere.

57:23

I'm sure he does. Matter of fact, he, he, when I saw him, I forget where it was, maybe Baltimore.

57:29

He was talking about West Virginia, his mountaintop.

57:33

Yeah. Yeah. And he was very nice.

57:36

He wanted us to stay in touch with him.

57:37

There, there, me and Rick Stewart.

57:40

I remember his name now Rick Stewart commentator with me and Charlie McGowan is there with a headset on keeping time at ringside.

57:49

But yeah, Ronnie Garvin was, was really, truly one of the nicest guys and he wants to stay in touch and you know, by golly, I'm going to stay in touch because he's just a, he was a good man.

58:00

And of course I'd

58:03

like, I'd like the information I'd like to stay in touch With

58:06

him. Okay. I'll send you his information.

58:09

Well, Mr. Crockett, we, when we were catching up with Mr.

58:12

Garvin, you know, very classy gentlemen, he was clear not to want to throw anybody under the bus, but she could certainly read between the lines that he felt like, you know, the Crockett promotion was changing a little bit in this era and maybe there were some political problems between himself and dusty roads.

58:31

Do you remember any unrest from Mr.

58:34

Garvin in this era?

58:37

Well, dusty had his favorites and you know, Ron old-school and no, he's not, you know, that, that was, he's not going to suck up.

58:54

Ron is not going to do that.

58:56

And B thinks something's wrong.

58:58

He's going to tell you. Yeah.

59:00

So that caused tension, I guess you might say he, you know, Ron was right in doing what he did.

59:10

He wasn't going to bastardize himself or anyone.

59:14

Yeah. And I assume when you say doing what he did you mean in terms of leaving and going to work for Vince?

59:21

Yes.

59:23

Yeah. He showed up with Vince, I guess shortly after I, I went up there and they really didn't use Ronnie that much, but, and again, Ronnie was, you know, he was a little bit older than most at that time.

59:37

And, but, but you're right.

59:39

He mentioned us, he used the word politics a lot and we were talking to him and obviously he was talking about the booking and dusty.

59:47

When, when wrestlers talk about politics, a lot of times you can read between the lines and I'm not saying I'm doing that with Ronnie, but when they say politics, they're just saying, I don't like the way I've been booked.

59:59

That's all right.

1:00:01

Yeah. And there were, there were a lot of them you rock and roll express.

1:00:04

Yeah.

1:00:04

Every

1:00:04

time

1:00:04

I

1:00:04

see

1:00:04

them,

1:00:04

which

1:00:04

is,

1:00:04

hadn't

1:00:04

been

1:00:04

that

1:00:04

often,

1:00:04

it

1:00:04

was

1:00:13

Ricky. And we'd always bring up about, you know, when we had matches in Greensboro and Charlotte and Charlotte out drew Greensboro, and it was the rock and roll express against the midnight express and rusty was in Greensboro.

1:00:27

So, you know, it was ha so yeah.

1:00:31

Tension, egos, definitely.

1:00:34

Yeah. Politics and yeah, you'll be glad to know David, that egos tension of politics are still alive today in the, Some

1:00:46

things never change. Absolutely Never.

1:00:49

Yeah. I, and I've watched and I could see, you know, at first, you know, I was saying, okay, yeah, everybody's, you know, on the same page, but there are a lot of different agendas.

1:01:02

I C E w now.

1:01:06

Yeah. Well, everybody wants to be on top and everybody wants to win their matches.

1:01:11

And you just, it just doesn't happen for everybody.

1:01:15

If it was very unique, this, this whole situation of this, of this arena here at the Omni, because the, the scaffold was in place.

1:01:24

And obviously you had to have camera men work around the scaffold.

1:01:28

Yes. There, you see your brother, Jackie, on the far side, running the camera right over the cameras.

1:01:33

We also have, we also had, and I don't think he, I think he recently passed away.

1:01:38

Was it Skeeter?

1:01:39

Skeeter, Bali? Was that his Last

1:01:41

name? Skater.

1:01:43

He was out of South Carolina. Yeah.

1:01:45

Columbia, Toby, Toby Jenkins.

1:01:48

Right. And God trying to figure out who else was audio and Yeah.

1:01:58

I, I don't remember. I don't remember any of the other guys, but The

1:02:04

camera. I mean the photography Photographer.

1:02:07

Yeah. Yeah. I, I knew who he was.

1:02:09

I remember CNN, but I didn't remember his name was Woody.

1:02:12

Yeah. And worked for the observer to wow.

1:02:15

The Charlotte observer. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:02:18

Is there a, still a Charlotte observer?

1:02:20

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Then paper, paper.

1:02:23

I know. So many of them, The

1:02:25

Atlanta journal constitution is as some morphs into the thrifty nickel, But

1:02:32

it doesn't cost a nickel.

1:02:34

Oh, it does. It's amazing that the newspapers and radio, which back in that day in 86 were a big part of everything is yeah.

1:02:42

And not so much anymore.

1:02:44

Of course. The internet and TV rules all.

1:02:46

So talk A

1:02:49

little Bit. What happened to Bubba?

1:02:50

Do you know where he is? He's

1:02:52

passed away. Right? I know.

1:02:54

But now he went, didn't he go to Vince?

1:02:59

Yeah. They came a big star. He became a, the big boss man.

1:03:02

Yep. Then he came back to WCW, recall he had so many different gimmicks then, but Conrad, do you remember when he passed away off the top of your head?

1:03:12

It was a 4 0 4, September 22nd, 2004.

1:03:16

Okay. He was only like 41 years old when he passed away too.

1:03:20

Yeah. Way, way too young. But here we are in 86 and 86 is really kind of the story of big Bubba because we actually saw him on TBS early in the year.

1:03:31

Tony and I did as enhancement talent.

1:03:34

And he took a Slingshot suplex from tele Blanchard and allegedly that got the attention of dusty roads.

1:03:41

And they thought, Hey, we got to do something with this kid.

1:03:43

And he became the heavy for Jim Crockett and or Jim cornet rather.

1:03:47

And what Cornet

1:03:49

bought into him, come on.

1:03:51

I mean, you know, if cornet didn't like him didn't want to deal with him.

1:03:56

He could have killed him, you know, short interview wise.

1:03:59

But you know, he saw him for what he could do with him.

1:04:03

Cornet. I wish you were still traveling.

1:04:06

Cause he's got the gift of Gabby's creative.

1:04:10

No,

1:04:10

I

1:04:10

that's

1:04:10

what

1:04:10

I'm

1:04:14

missing. Yeah. That not just attitude at this.

1:04:18

You can always check out his podcast.

1:04:20

If you want to hear somebody's nauseous attitude, because there's only one Jim cornet man, the way he presents the business.

1:04:27

You're right. He was Jim cornet was literally one of the most creative guys that ever been around in the wrestling business still today.

1:04:36

Very high strong. Oh boy.

1:04:39

Yeah. Yup. I wish in an alternate universe, you know, maybe there had been so many hurt feelings so quickly because buddy, he would have been outstanding as a part of our contributor for ADW margaritas.

1:04:53

Yes, yes. Yeah. You're right. He would have been, I like how this, this is a, you know what, these two guys, this is a hell of a match going on.

1:04:59

Yes it is.

1:05:01

Yeah. I mean, you know, this, this Is

1:05:04

showing what a Ray trailer big Bubba could do in less than a year in the business and how he could sell, how, how he could do things.

1:05:11

Look at him up on the top.

1:05:13

Well, the thing is for a man, his size, very agile.

1:05:18

Yeah. He's like Paul White.

1:05:21

Yeah. I'm a managed what he could do off that top.

1:05:24

Turnbuckle they wouldn't let him, you know, both he and Paul, because they're so big.

1:05:33

You don't want amaze me.

1:05:34

Look at that pile driver broke The

1:05:37

belt loops. That was cool, Man.

1:05:38

That was tremendous.

1:05:39

And

1:05:39

Jim

1:05:39

cornet

1:05:39

is

1:05:39

gonna

1:05:39

load

1:05:39

up

1:05:39

the

1:05:39

Macron

1:05:39

and

1:05:39

hit

1:05:39

Ronnie

1:05:39

boom

1:05:45

Down goes Frazier.

1:05:48

And there you go.

1:05:48

It

1:05:48

was,

1:05:48

you

1:05:48

know

1:05:48

what

1:05:48

amazes

1:05:48

me

1:05:48

about

1:05:48

this

1:05:48

time

1:05:48

and

1:05:48

even

1:05:48

David,

1:05:48

I

1:05:48

I've,

1:05:48

I've,

1:05:48

I've

1:05:48

made

1:05:48

mention

1:05:48

of

1:05:48

the

1:05:48

fact,

1:05:48

and

1:05:48

I've

1:05:48

talked

1:05:48

about

1:05:48

this

1:05:48

many

1:05:48

times

1:05:48

and

1:05:48

I

1:05:48

want

1:05:48

to

1:05:48

get

1:05:48

your

1:05:48

address

1:05:48

by

1:05:48

the

1:06:04

way. Cause I'm going to send you my comic book.

1:06:05

I, what amazes me is when I was a wrestling fan, even in this time when guys would in the ring.

1:06:15

Now I think Tommy young is telling us first man to his feet is going to win.

1:06:19

It is that they could call a match in the ring.

1:06:24

Yes. And you could not tell that they were doing that.

1:06:27

They were so good at talking each other ring.

1:06:31

And not today.

1:06:33

I see so many guys talking in the ring that is like, and I know the camera that they're got close up, camera shots now, and that different era with so many different cameras and lighting and all that.

1:06:44

But I always thought the art was being able to call a match and not in the fans can not see you talking.

1:06:50

Yeah. Today you see a lot of that, but back then, man.

1:06:54

Hell, I didn't know.

1:06:55

Obviously until I started in the business, I didn't know that's they were talking to each other in the ring.

1:07:00

Didn't know it. And I went to, I went to hundreds of matches.

1:07:04

I spent a lot of money on Jim Crockett promotion file Right

1:07:10

In the seventies.

1:07:12

And it is, it's an art form. You know, I, I tried it for about a year and it's, it's how you hold your mouth.

1:07:22

And also you say other things besides what you're going to be doing in the ring are one or two.

1:07:30

And then you have, you have talent, let's say take a Tali wrestling Magnum.

1:07:39

Well, they rustled so much.

1:07:41

They saw to know sure.

1:07:45

They have to call every spot.

1:07:47

No, it's the, it's the field.

1:07:50

Right. You know that audience, they hear the audience.

1:07:52

They, they it's, they have this.

1:07:56

W

1:07:56

what's

1:07:56

he

1:07:56

doing

1:07:59

now? He's loading that thing again.

1:08:04

yeah. Oh yeah.

1:08:08

It's just, it was a, it was a, it was an art form and you know, it's still is.

1:08:12

I, I, it's not it, but it's changed a deal obviously from what it used to be.

1:08:17

And Now they were hers, a lot, our trash to, Yeah.

1:08:26

Right. All right. We're going to go back to Atlanta now at a first blood match between a dusty and a tele Blanchard.

1:08:33

Oh, we're back In Greensboro. Tony Greensboro.

1:08:37

Sorry. This is not the original music, but it's a cool entrance.

1:08:40

Let's track.

1:08:41

So

1:08:41

we

1:08:41

see

1:08:41

a

1:08:41

lighting

1:08:41

treatment

1:08:41

and

1:08:41

a

1:08:41

smoke

1:08:41

treatment

1:08:41

for

1:08:41

tele

1:08:41

Blanchard

1:08:41

and

1:08:41

JJ

1:08:41

Dylan

1:08:55

here. Well, that have been something that you were a part of Mr.

1:08:58

Crock. Yeah. Well, you also want, you know, dusty wanted something.

1:09:01

So if I'm going to do something for dusty, I need to do something for a Tali too.

1:09:06

Yeah. Yeah. So I, that, and that's, it's a smoke pot, dry and some lighting behind them.

1:09:20

That's, you know, parking lots and so forth.

1:09:22

You know, it was an easy, easy fix, easy fix.

1:09:30

It's a pretty cool to see, you know, where we were with just the presentation of wrestling, the spotlight, the smoke special lighting effects.

1:09:40

And from a music standpoint, we're not hearing the original music that was played here.

1:09:45

As we see a shot of Dusty's locker room there let's track it here.

1:09:59

The music they originally used. If I'm right.

1:10:01

Conrad was Bob Seger, a old time rock and roll.

1:10:06

And there's dusty and look down the side of the head.

1:10:08

It says Did you have a name, a nickname for this shot?

1:10:14

Where we catch the guy backstage on his way to the ring.

1:10:17

I know eventually people would call it the Goldberg shot.

1:10:22

Yeah. Once upon a time, maybe it was the Tyson shot, but here in 86, was there a nickname for this, Mr.

1:10:28

Crocket? Not so much this backstage.

1:10:32

Yeah. That dusty ass shot is What

1:10:34

it is.

1:10:37

I don't know where the hell is going, man.

1:10:38

Don't know, Got

1:10:40

some moving lights there where it's really just beacon turning, just like a light house and then the smoke and you know, put a star filter on the camera.

1:10:53

Why you see the stars there?

1:10:55

Totally

1:10:55

written

1:10:55

on

1:10:55

the

1:10:55

side

1:10:55

of

1:10:55

his

1:11:01

head. Yeah, man and spotlights, you know, that's Yeah.

1:11:06

Spot to follow him. They moved him to the room.

1:11:09

I know it sounds silly Mr. Crockett, but I gotta ask you guys, we're just playing Bob Seger.

1:11:14

There was no licensing deal in place, right?

1:11:17

Hell No.

1:11:21

Just play the music brand. Yeah.

1:11:25

It sounded like Rick flair. Yep.

1:11:26

I owe taxes.

1:11:27

I

1:11:27

don't

1:11:27

know

1:11:27

that

1:11:27

this,

1:11:32

Hey, it's just like the, the song for Jimmy Valiant was the Manhattan transfer and boy from New York city.

1:11:38

And if you go back to that w where we started and see the graphics for Jimmy van and against Paul Jones, if you listen quickly, there's a clip of that, that the WWE left in there.

1:11:51

You could hear it. Oh yeah.

1:11:55

Chuck and Tom here.

1:11:57

This is a fight to the finish producing first in the corner.

1:12:08

Noticed

1:12:47

us. He's got the Magnum TA t-shirt on.

1:12:50

Oh, yes. Yeah.

1:12:50

All right.

1:12:52

Putting a nose guard on.

1:12:54

Oh, gotcha. And where does that Head

1:12:59

guard? I guess, I don't know what that is. That's the first match.

1:13:01

Right? So the idea is as less likely to bust a cauliflower ear or blah, blah, blah.

1:13:09

Yeah. Okay. I got it.

1:13:11

Hey David, I'm

1:13:13

going to have a question here. I've got a question.

1:13:15

Go ahead. If you'd look at this and then you look at today, what's better.

1:13:23

As far as, I mean, I don't have, I didn't have all the lighting, but as far as you know, we're concentrating on the wrestlers.

1:13:31

The wrestlers look good. The ringworm stood, right.

1:13:35

What else did I need?

1:13:41

I don't have an answer for that. I think less is more.

1:13:43

I think everybody listening to this agrees that this is not a better presentation.

1:13:48

If it's just everywhere you look, it's an led screen, like with WWE, right?

1:13:53

Nobody ever said, honey, let's go down and see those led screens at the arena right now, they're going to see the wrestlers.

1:14:00

They're going to see the matches. They want the action.

1:14:02

The led screens are just sort of there.

1:14:05

Yeah, we had, we had the fastest hour in television.

1:14:08

Oh, making sure that, that, you know, all our cameraman, I would tell them.

1:14:14

I said, when they go down on the mat and you have closeup, you have to start pointing out as soon as we take it because they're not going to stay there longer than 30 seconds.

1:14:25

If that.

1:14:26

And

1:14:26

so,

1:14:26

yeah,

1:14:26

we

1:14:26

just

1:14:26

didn't

1:14:26

lay

1:14:26

around

1:14:26

on

1:14:26

the

1:14:26

mat,

1:14:34

JJ.

1:14:34

He

1:14:34

does

1:14:34

the

1:14:34

flop

1:14:34

better

1:14:34

than

1:14:38

anybody. Look at him.

1:14:41

Yeah. Now the, the legend is an 86.

1:14:43

We saw a couple of promos where RN and telly would get excited about baby doll, trying to attack JJ.

1:14:50

And with a big shit eating grin, tele would say to ARN on TV in regarding a baby doll attacking JJ.

1:15:01

She must've wanted to meet Johnny bitch.

1:15:03

I

1:15:03

wonder

1:15:03

what

1:15:03

that

1:15:03

was

1:15:03

about

1:15:08

Mr. Crockett. That's a weird story.

1:15:13

I don't know myself. You need to ask tele.

1:15:16

It's the same thing Arne said, it's weird.

1:15:19

Yeah. Hey, while I've got you this past year, I had a chance to catch up with the nature boy himself.

1:15:25

And he was telling old Jimmy Crockett stories.

1:15:27

And he said, I'm supposed to ask you.

1:15:30

And I don't, I don't even, I don't know what this means, but what is the tip of the spear Spare

1:15:36

chucker, Jimmy, what's the spirit chucker.

1:15:41

What does that mean?

1:15:43

You knew what it means.

1:15:44

Jimmy

1:15:44

had

1:15:44

a

1:15:44

spear

1:15:44

in

1:15:44

his

1:15:52

hand.

1:15:57

Oh gosh, somebody has cut JJ here.

1:16:01

Yeah.

1:16:03

You did a good job that JJ, you could tell when he was rolled around that, that he was getting ready to bleed.

1:16:08

Yeah. Yeah. He got that elbow from dusty.

1:16:10

And so, so we got a first blood match here and JJ has obviously drawn first blood of the people in the ring.

1:16:20

JJ

1:16:20

was

1:16:20

a,

1:16:20

he

1:16:20

was

1:16:20

an

1:16:20

organized,

1:16:20

oh,

1:16:20

son

1:16:20

of

1:16:20

a

1:16:20

gun,

1:16:30

man. I really don't know if, I mean, you can't really his value to dusty in the business.

1:16:39

This time is immeasurable.

1:16:41

I agree. Definitely. Yeah, definitely.

1:16:43

Yeah.

1:16:46

'cause I don't think if I'm right, David, you know, with dusty would bow dusty would book the storylines, but we would have house shows, especially spot shows.

1:16:56

Right. I kinda think, and I kinda think that that JJ would end up booking the shows as far as the house shows a concern, you know, he knew who was on top.

1:17:07

He knew what talent he had.

1:17:08

So he just kind of put them together, I would think.

1:17:11

And then you would approve them.

1:17:13

Am

1:17:13

I

1:17:13

right

1:17:13

to

1:17:13

say

1:17:16

That? Yes, you had, you know, you had Sandy Scott, right?

1:17:21

Yeah. And, and Jean Anderson there.

1:17:26

Yeah. Good old Jane and Jean was the one in that would always keep the time.

1:17:33

Yeah. Oh, I know.

1:17:35

Yeah. Hey, when I think about my life and I think about being in the back of Crockett promotions and sharing a office was Sandy Scott and Jean Anderson across the way and dusty in the corner.

1:17:48

And then Jimmy, the new, what a wonderful time that was for me to be associated with all you guys.

1:17:54

I mean, it was just God, it's, Let's

1:17:59

do it again. Oh yeah.

1:18:00

All the aggravation of some of this now we'll do it again.

1:18:04

Sure.

1:18:06

Sandy's Sandy, Scott passed away and I never did get, was able to say goodbye to him and the, which breaks my heart because Sandy was a good man.

1:18:16

Very good, man. Yeah. Just, Let's

1:18:19

talk more about the Scots for a minute. Mr.

1:18:21

Crockett, you know, a lot of our listeners, boy, they know all about JJ.

1:18:25

They know all about dusty.

1:18:26

Of course, everybody talks about you and Tony.

1:18:29

I mean, you guys were all staples on TV, but Sandy Scott and George Scott, can you just speak to their contributions over the years for you guys?

1:18:39

Okay. You know, they first came to us as, as wrestling talent, George and Sandy Scott out of Canada wrestled a tag team.

1:18:49

And then George left for a while.

1:18:55

If I remember correctly and then Sandy stayed and then Jimmy hired George as the Booker.

1:19:10

Right.

1:19:10

And

1:19:10

we

1:19:10

were

1:19:10

going

1:19:10

through

1:19:10

a

1:19:10

real

1:19:10

low

1:19:10

time

1:19:10

when

1:19:10

he

1:19:10

came

1:19:17

in. Thanks. Just weren't working, working right.

1:19:20

And change the whole concept.

1:19:22

I mean, that's when he brought wahoo in right.

1:19:25

John Valentine, you know, and, and it took, took a while, but all of them caught on and it did well.

1:19:39

Yeah. Well, and then, then, you know, it was, it was strange seeing George and dusty in the same room.

1:19:54

Right. And Jimmy trying to balance those balls.

1:20:03

George. Also, if I'm writing and we're talking about the height of my fandom in the late seventies, mid to late seventies when George was booking, I think for the Crocketts he's the one didn't he bring in Steamboat and started Ricky Steamboat's career.

1:20:16

Am

1:20:16

I

1:20:16

right

1:20:16

about

1:20:19

that? Yeah. I want to say yes. Yes. Yes.

1:20:21

Because Rick, Rick is the one Rick flair is the one that really cause he, you know, as champion, he would, and we're trying to get him ready for a champion.

1:20:29

If he wasn't champion Dan, he was traveling.

1:20:32

That's how iron got to us a Steamboat, you know, Rick came back and said, Hey, you know this, guy's not doing anything in Atlanta talking about Steamboat.

1:20:41

You need to bring him in and I'll make it work.

1:20:45

Same thing with art, you know that you looked aren't sent that type it and you'd look and say, yep, he's an Anderson.

1:20:54

Yeah. Yeah. Sandy had a R George Scott had a impact and all that.

1:20:59

Now, if I'm right.

1:21:01

And I don't know if you, you can just agree to this.

1:21:03

I, I don't know if you know why, but Sandy and George did not get along at All.

1:21:07

They were brothers.

1:21:09

They were brothers, but didn't speak to each other.

1:21:11

Wow. They were brothers.

1:21:12

I mean, yes.

1:21:15

Two totally different Individuals.

1:21:19

Yeah. I remember just hearing Sandy say to gene, he says the way he treated us back then, or the way he acted, if you think I'm going to make up with him, you're wrong.

1:21:29

I remember hearing Sandy say that.

1:21:32

So it was, it was some very, very serious heat between the two boards.

1:21:37

Yeah. Something, something happened yeah.

1:21:39

In Canada. Yeah.

1:21:41

You know?

1:21:43

Yeah. Whatever it was.

1:21:45

Don't know, but we'll never know.

1:21:48

Don't want to know. No, never no.

1:21:50

And Sandy, oh no.

1:21:52

Referee bump. Yup.

1:21:55

And look good. Telly looking for any help. He can.

1:21:57

And there it is from JJ, the shoe, but dusty caught him and they can shoot his thing.

1:22:02

Here we go.

1:22:05

These guys are only going to go about seven minutes or so We

1:22:12

had another rep bump. Didn't know that's Too.

1:22:15

So

1:22:19

Here we go. NA JJ just lost a shoe.

1:22:25

Of course. Many times.

1:22:30

We'll see dusty a wearing out the forehead of tele Blanchard here.

1:22:33

Remember it's a first, first blood match.

1:22:35

And So he's trying, he's trying.

1:22:38

Yeah.

1:22:42

Zip.

1:22:44

Yeah.

1:22:46

I don't know if he did an a, I think he did. No, he, yeah.

1:22:49

I did only the right, right side of his forehead.

1:22:51

Yeah. Let's Listen to the crowd here.

1:23:13

Vaseline a towel. Then he reached in his pants for a gimmick.

1:23:16

So to speak and coins.

1:23:20

Oh, that's right.

1:23:23

He told us last week.

1:23:27

Yeah. A roll of coins and the, that they still remember the finish these guys, some of the big matches, which I think it's amazing.

1:23:37

They, and they were involved with it.

1:23:39

Wasn't a yes or no.

1:23:42

What was the reaction from Earl? He sees the blood on the head of dusty roads.

1:23:51

Oh,

1:24:03

They

1:24:03

only

1:24:03

go

1:24:03

seven

1:24:13

minutes. So dust, he can hop on an airplane with Jimmy and get to Atlanta because we still have three matches to go here.

1:24:21

Right. And two of them take about an hour or so.

1:24:25

We're going to have blood really coming down on dusty too.

1:24:28

Wow. Yeah. Now, you know, you were saying, and I'm going to put my company over here.

1:24:32

You were saying that the, the guys were involved in the finish.

1:24:35

They came up with the ideas. They, they, Tony Khan lets them do that now, too, which I really appreciate.

1:24:40

That's old school stuff. So Yeah.

1:24:42

It's because if you get, if you get talent involved, what they first come up with it, isn't going to be what you finally come up with.

1:24:53

Right. And you know, especially when you tell them, I, we need this to go six weeks.

1:25:00

Yeah. You know, or just this match.

1:25:02

So, you know, then you start that process and, and them talking, it, it makes for great matches When

1:25:11

they feel they're part of the process.

1:25:14

Yes. They're more, more obviously involved in and feel that they're a part of it, which they are obviously there, you see the quarters had went flying in the air and then the Vaseline over on the left that JJ supplying dusty opened himself up there.

1:25:29

And that's where Earl Hebner saw.

1:25:32

Oh, you're bleeding.

1:25:33

And we've got a TV title switch there, dusty.

1:25:38

And he had a good run together.

1:25:39

I really liked that together.

1:25:41

Tele who obviously you see on TV still.

1:25:45

I, and I tell him this all the time, he has remained in tremendous shape.

1:25:49

He's 69 years old.

1:25:52

He obviously works out counseling.

1:25:56

He Had a master's this Year

1:25:58

It's

1:26:02

on TV year. I match on TV this year.

1:26:05

Unfortunately, the day your, your brother passed away, telly came to the ring, wearing the old NWA United States championship and FTR rounded out his six man tag team wearing the old Crocket blue tag, tit tag titles, and totally wrestled on T and T this year.

1:26:24

Yeah. Terrific.

1:26:27

All right. Well, here we go. The famous stat scaffold match The

1:26:32

cornet. Oh, This

1:26:35

is without question. The most, These

1:26:37

are the barrel lights. I got 75 barrel lights rented.

1:26:42

Those. I spent all night with the operator programming and you really can't see a damn thing, but it was just for effect.

1:26:53

No effect. Yeah. Well you kind of see them up on top now.

1:26:56

Phil Collins, that's it. Phil Collins, his video.

1:26:59

I saw him on that and I said, I want, okay, Gary Carnes was a salesman.

1:27:05

I can't believe I'm remembering this for very light.

1:27:07

And he, I called up and he said, you're a, what?

1:27:11

With whom?

1:27:12

I said, Jim, Croghan we're wrestling.

1:27:14

And

1:27:14

you

1:27:14

wanted

1:27:14

to

1:27:14

do

1:27:18

what?

1:27:18

I

1:27:18

became

1:27:18

a

1:27:18

very

1:27:18

good

1:27:21

customer. Yeah. Yeah. He wouldn't.

1:27:23

He didn't ask you your name after that.

1:27:25

Nope. Here we go.

1:27:27

This

1:27:27

is,

1:27:27

this

1:27:27

is,

1:27:27

this

1:27:27

is

1:27:27

a

1:27:27

very,

1:27:27

very,

1:27:27

it's

1:27:27

a

1:27:27

very

1:27:27

dangerous

1:27:27

place

1:27:27

for

1:27:27

all

1:27:27

these

1:27:37

guys. I mean, that is what, 15 feet, maybe 10, Maybe

1:27:45

20. I don't know. You could be.

1:27:48

I don't know. I'd have to count the sections.

1:27:50

I think, I

1:27:52

think as a wrestling announcer, it got higher each and every time we talked about My

1:27:57

feet in the air now, 15

1:27:59

feet, 20 feet, 30 feet in the air, my God.

1:28:03

But realistically, and they have that, that diamond greater the diamond plate on the top, which obviously helps with the traction, but also can scar and bruise the body when you get hit too.

1:28:14

But

1:28:14

you

1:28:14

obviously

1:28:14

much

1:28:14

would

1:28:14

rather

1:28:14

get

1:28:14

hit

1:28:14

by

1:28:14

the,

1:28:14

by

1:28:14

the

1:28:14

diamond

1:28:14

plate

1:28:14

than

1:28:14

you

1:28:14

would

1:28:14

fall,

1:28:22

right. To the mat Or

1:28:24

get hit by the roadway Or

1:28:26

get hit by the road warrior.

1:28:28

Yeah. It's like a meat grinder, diamond places.

1:28:31

Exactly. Like a meat grinder. Right?

1:28:33

Looking at what we're seeing here, the entrance from the road warriors and just straight up the scaffold, they go, you know, obviously back then they were playing iron man.

1:28:45

And Then that didn't last.

1:28:48

No, well, I didn't know why they put it up there.

1:28:50

Okay.

1:28:54

And also nobody practiced on this.

1:28:59

I'm sure. David is that is every bit of 20 feet in the air.

1:29:02

That's A sales. Yeah, it is.

1:29:05

Yeah.

1:29:07

It's right up there with the lights.

1:29:09

Wow.

1:29:12

Yeah. I could say yeah. Easily. See 20 feet.

1:29:14

Come on. Jam.

1:29:16

Yeah. Talking about somebody that needs knee replacements after this.

1:29:22

Yeah. Jim is going to blow out his knee here at the end of this match.

1:29:25

And

1:29:25

I

1:29:25

re

1:29:25

I,

1:29:25

I

1:29:25

vividly

1:29:25

remember

1:29:31

vividly. Remember it happening because it happened right in front of me.

1:29:34

What's this? I remember it too.

1:29:36

When he went, he didn't bend.

1:29:38

He just stuck.

1:29:40

It just like a stick.

1:29:43

Well, the idea, the idea was big bubble was going to catch him, which when he was hanging and swinging there, I knew there's no way big buff was going to catch him.

1:29:52

So what, we'll see it here in a minute, but man, the scaffold match.

1:29:59

I

1:29:59

hope

1:29:59

we

1:29:59

never

1:29:59

see

1:29:59

that

1:30:02

again.

1:30:04

Oh, you will. Somewhere sometime.

1:30:09

You're right. You're right. I, because not only is it is a dangerous too.

1:30:16

I mean the, the thing could topple.

1:30:20

I did, you know, the Klondike bill build this ordinance.

1:30:25

They did not. I hadn't.

1:30:26

I had a, a construction company, scaffolding company come in and do it.

1:30:31

Of course the, the, the pieces crosspieces there.

1:30:39

I had special water. Yeah.

1:30:41

Because they just didn't make them that long.

1:30:45

Yeah.

1:30:47

Yeah. Klondike just built the ring.

1:30:48

And of course She

1:30:52

Did the trip page now come on Rubbing.

1:30:55

So the triple cage, that was not Dothan, Alabama.

1:31:01

Where, where was Elvis from Tupelo?

1:31:05

Mississippi below. That's where that triple cage was one of the top, top four.

1:31:11

That was a pain in the ass.

1:31:58

by

1:31:58

the

1:31:58

way,

1:31:58

let

1:31:58

you

1:31:58

know,

1:31:58

it's

1:31:58

just

1:31:58

a

1:31:58

side

1:31:58

note

1:31:58

as

1:31:58

a

1:31:58

ring

1:32:05

announcer. And I did plenty of this. When we went on tour, I just made up the weights.

1:32:11

Oh

1:32:13

sure. Yeah. Just made them up.

1:32:15

I remember Gary would always bring out the card.

1:32:18

And I said, Gary, why, why you bring out the card?

1:32:20

He said, well, it's just, I don't know. It's it's like my security blanket.

1:32:24

And I said, just make this shit up, dude.

1:32:28

I said, that's what I do on TV.

1:32:30

I said so, but I really loved ring announcing, man.

1:32:36

I had so much fun being the ring.

1:32:38

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Okay. Now, seriously, for real, this time, here we go.

1:35:55

Let's hit the playback and 3, 2, 1 play.

1:36:00

So the, obviously the, the road warriors are, are waiting.

1:36:04

God, they, they were a mess.

1:36:07

Oh, they, they weren't. And, and so unpredictable.

1:36:12

Yeah. And you're wrestling them and you're going, oh my God.

1:36:18

Wow. Yeah. They know, you know, one thing and that's just try to run over you.

1:36:25

And I see the chain we had had bolted down.

1:36:30

Yeah.

1:36:32

Yeah. Talk to me about this together.

1:36:33

This, this structure, you said you outsource this, you had a company, a scaffolding company.

1:36:39

Do you remember any details about that?

1:36:42

You know, where they were from or anything?

1:36:44

Just, you know, what you were looking for? Did somebody join on a napkin and say, Hey, here's what we're looking for the first time I remember hearing about a scaffold match was Jerry Jarrett.

1:36:53

And I think Memphis probably gets a lot of credit for that, but w how were you guys sold on the concept of, Hey, let's do a scaffold match.

1:37:03

And then how did you arrive on these two teams?

1:37:05

I mean, I think if we're armchair quarterbacking, and now midnight express could have had a phenomenal regular in ring match, but they had so much heat.

1:37:15

You needed them to have their comeuppance and who better than the road warriors.

1:37:19

Right. That's correct. You know, and also if you think about it, what a great match the rock and roll express would have, as far as the scaffold match with midnight express mean that would have a lot more movement and you could spend a lot more time with it then with the road warriors, because the road warriors so massive and, you know, they were so pumped up on the gas that, yeah.

1:37:54

And I, I tell you right now, they were scared to death roadway.

1:37:58

Yeah. Yeah. Now midnight express, they they've worked, they worked a scaffold matchup.

1:38:04

That's one, you know, they're getting involve in Jim cornet.

1:38:07

They know they had ideas of, you know, what, I just, you know, when I had to figure out how to do it safely.

1:38:18

Cause

1:38:18

you

1:38:18

know,

1:38:18

we

1:38:18

did

1:38:18

have

1:38:18

them

1:38:18

booked

1:38:24

elsewhere. Yeah,

1:38:25

yeah,

1:38:28

Yeah. Yeah.

1:38:30

So talk to me, talk to me about, you know, putting this together, you know, the, the concept of, of how, whose idea it was, this is in Atlanta.

1:38:38

So this is your town you're here.

1:38:41

And it was a combination on sure.

1:38:42

Of midnight, midnight express and dusty, you know, cause he was the Booker.

1:38:50

They

1:38:50

knew

1:38:50

how

1:38:50

to

1:38:50

work

1:38:50

the

1:38:50

scaffold,

1:38:50

you

1:38:50

know,

1:38:50

road

1:38:50

warriors,

1:38:50

didn't

1:38:50

convincing

1:38:50

road

1:38:50

warriors

1:38:50

to,

1:38:50

to

1:38:50

do

1:39:00

it. That was, you know, that was the challenge.

1:39:07

Yeah. I, I think, I think you're right. I think it's funny how the, the midnight express probably we're the least afraid of these four of these two teams, but on TV it was portrayed the other way.

1:39:20

Yes. Yes.

1:39:20

Oh,

1:39:20

Bobby

1:39:25

Bobby. And, and you're going to see that, that obviously they are going to work this to where they really don't fall from the scaffold to the mat.

1:39:36

They kind of get it kind of start climbing down.

1:39:39

And then that's when they fall.

1:39:40

The only one that fell really from the top was cornet, but he did after he was hanging up there for, so obviously this type of match, you don't want to go long.

1:39:52

They go seven minutes in this match.

1:39:53

And we got to 20 minute matches and to find 20 minute matches to finish things up.

1:39:59

But this was selling.

1:40:03

Absolutely. This was a selling point. Really? The whole thing night of the Skywalkers, the pumpkin's being thrown off the scaffold and hitting the pavement in the promo Commercial

1:40:14

didn't we do a commercial with pumpkin's.

1:40:16

Yup. It was a construction site.

1:40:18

And you had the road warriors ride everybody from the midnight expresses name on a different pumpkin.

1:40:24

And then we saw them explode in slow motion, who would have been responsible for putting that together.

1:40:30

Mr. Crockett, do you remember?

1:40:32

Oh, we shot that. Well, Wayne Daniel was there, Emerson loss and we, Jackie was one of the cameraman shooting it, you know, it was sort of a, one of the things that you just do.

1:40:48

We didn't, you know, we didn't, we had our people so to speak, well, we had our own camera truck.

1:40:55

If

1:40:55

we

1:40:55

needed

1:40:55

the

1:40:55

truck

1:40:55

and

1:40:55

had

1:40:55

park

1:40:55

aunts,

1:40:55

somebody,

1:40:55

if

1:40:55

I

1:40:55

needed

1:40:55

lighting,

1:40:55

which

1:40:55

we

1:40:55

had

1:40:55

very

1:40:55

little

1:40:55

outside,

1:40:55

it

1:40:55

was

1:41:09

raw. Yeah. I was wrong.

1:41:11

That's right.

1:41:15

Yeah. I just, that, that raw, that stuff that's raw to me is the wonderful stuff.

1:41:20

Yeah. It's real. Yeah, it is.

1:41:22

Yeah. To me, it's like, look, if you watch these reality shows, they're not core.

1:41:28

Of course they're so scripted.

1:41:29

Whereas you know, the stuff we were doing, like when Nelson Royal, that does you go out and shoot it and, and to make up a lot of that.

1:41:41

And Nelson made up a lot of that on the go.

1:41:44

Yeah.

1:41:44

He

1:41:44

didn't

1:41:44

have

1:41:44

a

1:41:44

teleprompter

1:41:44

or

1:41:48

anything. Yeah.

1:41:50

Do you remember doing business with the road warriors, Mr.

1:41:53

Crockett, any stories in particular stick out about how easy they were or difficult they were?

1:41:58

What have you, I

1:42:01

guess they're the easiest time with them is Quinn.

1:42:07

They finished the cycle with the gas.

1:42:11

You might say when they were pumping up, they would be very touchy.

1:42:20

Hmm Hmm.

1:42:25

And I'm sure people in your audience are going to say, what are you talking about gas?

1:42:28

Well, look at their arms.

1:42:34

Yeah. They're there, they're there next in their, in their pecs.

1:42:39

Mr. Mr. Ellering goes like their real life manager as well.

1:42:43

Was that your experience that you, you talked a lot of business with.

1:42:47

Yes. Yes. And you know yeah.

1:42:52

And he was the, the calm one, I guess you might say, you know, the guy that never smiled.

1:42:58

Yeah,

1:42:58

yeah,

1:42:58

Yeah,

1:43:03

yeah. He was. But he would not let them out of his sight.

1:43:08

Yeah. He was obviously he was great for them.

1:43:11

Yeah. Did I ever did aren't on any of his podcasts ever tell you about how he came up with the name of eggplant or Lex Luger?

1:43:20

He did not. He never told us, okay.

1:43:21

He tells a story better than me.

1:43:23

I should let him tell it. But it was in a six man match in LA with Paul Eller and in the road warriors against totally Arne.

1:43:32

And Lex Luger when Lugar was a part of the, the horseman and according to ARN, Hawk was just drugged out of his mind and going crazy.

1:43:46

Okay. So, so he was just eating, got the tag.

1:43:51

And he was pounding on Lugar and he threw Luger into their corner and Lugar looks at, and he says, you know how Lugar was breathing really hard.

1:43:59

He says, what do I do? What do I do?

1:44:01

He's out of his mind. And Arne said, I'm thinking eggplant.

1:44:05

I'm thinking, hang on a second.

1:44:08

Okay. Tag me in. So that's where he came up with the name eggplant for him.

1:44:12

So, but he tells him much better than me.

1:44:16

Now there's a guy with a gift of gab.

1:44:17

Oh, Anderson Man.

1:44:19

Still today.

1:44:22

Yeah.

1:44:25

Unfortunately, Bobby, Eaton's no longer with us.

1:44:27

It's a shame. We lost him this year.

1:44:30

Huntsville's finest.

1:44:31

You got naked. Bob Eaton stories.

1:44:33

She can share with us. Mr. Crockett Did

1:44:38

nothing incriminating.

1:44:40

Just Bobby was always had a smile and, and would stutter.

1:44:47

You know, I remember when I tried to interview him on camera, I made that was, that was, I had to turn away.

1:44:55

I was laughing so hard. Right?

1:44:57

Yeah. Yeah. Always screwed around with us at the set.

1:45:00

Oh yeah. Oh, there goes, Dennis, Dennis felt quite a long way away there.

1:45:04

Ooh, Let's try and see here.

1:45:06

It's

1:45:06

crazy

1:45:06

to

1:45:06

think,

1:45:06

too,

1:45:06

that

1:45:06

as

1:45:06

many

1:45:06

unbelievable

1:45:06

matches

1:45:06

that

1:45:06

the

1:45:06

midnights

1:45:06

would

1:45:06

have

1:45:06

over

1:45:06

the

1:45:06

years,

1:45:06

this

1:45:06

has

1:45:06

to

1:45:06

be

1:45:06

their

1:45:06

most

1:45:06

viewed

1:45:06

match

1:45:31

ever. You know, they, they did their lease wrestling here, but the success of this videotape and this paper view and the talk of this match, I mean, what we're watching is called Starkey 8 86, 9 of the Skywalkers.

1:45:44

So this is, you know, even though it's not necessarily the main event, it kinda is.

1:45:50

I mean, this is the show.

1:45:53

Yeah. The Skywalker. Oh, all right, everybody.

1:45:56

We got to watch this.

1:45:57

Oh Lord.

1:46:00

Yeah. Let's track this to Conrad.

1:46:08

So Jim cornet is high atop.

1:46:10

The scaffold laying face down animal has him.

1:46:15

Now he's hanging.

1:46:23

Yeah. Bubba was not going to catch him.

1:46:24

And I believe as the story goes, dusty explained that day to Coronet.

1:46:30

And then Bubba's going to catch you like they do the cheerleaders.

1:46:34

And

1:46:34

I

1:46:34

guess

1:46:34

as

1:46:34

the

1:46:34

story

1:46:34

lost

1:46:34

him

1:46:34

in

1:46:34

the

1:46:34

lights

1:46:34

and

1:46:34

he

1:46:34

tried

1:46:34

to

1:46:34

explain

1:46:34

to

1:46:34

a

1:46:34

very

1:46:34

upset

1:46:34

cornet,

1:46:34

Jimmy,

1:46:34

he

1:46:34

fell

1:46:34

so

1:46:48

fast.

1:46:52

There was no way in that short period of time when he's hanging there, there was no way he was going to catch him.

1:46:58

No, no, no.

1:46:59

Cause Jimmy was a big guy. Jimmy Coronet was a big guy.

1:47:04

Yeah. That's not a 115 pound girl falling.

1:47:07

Yeah. That's a grown ass man. Fallen.

1:47:09

Exactly. Yeah. Him And

1:47:11

Jim cornet, blah, blah.

1:47:15

Probably really didn't want catching.

1:47:19

All right. We're going to show replay here.

1:47:21

Watch, watch Bobby and Dennis fall.

1:47:24

Cause they, they take, these are quite a bumps, quite bumps too.

1:47:27

I mean, Bobby's going to fall Dennis.

1:47:29

I think Dennis falls first here.

1:47:33

Nope. Yep.

1:47:35

Loverboy Dennis. The first one to go down.

1:47:42

Beautiful. Bobby Buddy.

1:47:44

That was so close to being a bad situation, you know?

1:47:47

Yeah. Yeah.

1:47:48

I tried.

1:47:50

They it's, you, you don't want to fall.

1:47:52

I don't know. Cause I never fell that far, but it looks like you would not want to fall on your back nor what you want to fall on your feet because you could break an ankle or blood a knee like Coronet did.

1:48:03

So yeah. It's just, I Don't want to be booked in a scaffold mines Tony.

1:48:07

No, no. And of course there were scaffold matches after that.

1:48:10

Obviously if you'll recall David, we had in the WCW era, we had PN news, The

1:48:18

worst match ever 91

1:48:19

91 at the big scaffold match where he was so scared.

1:48:22

He just laid on the scaffold and gripped it and wouldn't move.

1:48:25

Okay, Susan,

1:48:29

Steve Austin said, that's the worst matches career.

1:48:32

You Know, it was, it was the worst match Steve Austin's career.

1:48:35

That's what he says. Yeah. Wow.

1:48:38

Doesn't surprise me.

1:48:39

Here's another angle we didn't at first.

1:48:42

Oh, corn has got a grip it and then where's Bubba.

1:48:48

He's

1:48:48

not

1:48:48

going

1:48:48

to

1:48:48

catch

1:48:48

him

1:48:48

above

1:48:48

is

1:48:48

not

1:48:48

going

1:48:48

to

1:48:48

get,

1:48:55

So there's a pretty famous book out there that Mr.

1:48:59

Cornet put out and he talks about all of his pay offs and whatnot.

1:49:04

I'll look for that. But while I do look through coordinates book, can you tell in your book what the, what the gate was for this event?

1:49:13

Sure. Oh, he is going to pitch.

1:49:19

Yeah.

1:49:21

Yeah.

1:49:24

There's some good stuff.

1:49:26

Okay. Yeah, sure.

1:49:27

Some

1:49:27

good

1:49:27

stuff

1:49:27

here,

1:49:30

man. Oh, and how about this? A recap from the great American bash.

1:49:34

We see the pair of sheets coming in here, The

1:49:39

greatest country in Western stars from all across the country and the greatest wrestling stars in the world combining to celebrate the 4th of July 14 nights during the month of July, the great American bash tour in 1985.

1:49:51

And we're going to reminisce with you now for just a few minutes and look at some of the highlights of that great tour.

1:49:59

So as they're running through the great American bash tour highlights, I want to mention here's what Jim cornet wrote in his book about the gate.

1:50:09

The scaffold match was booked third from the top underneath Nikita versus Ric flair for the NWA title and tele Blanchard versus dusty roads and a first flood match.

1:50:19

But it was the feature attraction and what the event was named after.

1:50:23

So it can be considered a main event as well.

1:50:26

The car drew his cell out of 16,000 fans paying $307,000 at the Greensboro Coliseum.

1:50:32

Well that additional several thousand paying $70,000 at the Colosseum annex for the closed circuit broadcast, there were less than 100 free tickets out for the show.

1:50:43

The all-time record stood for 12 years until April 26th, 1998 when WWE pay-per-view event in Greensboro drew 21,427, fans paying $341,270 in the Coliseum.

1:51:01

But that was after extensive renovations increase the seating capacity by 5,000.

1:51:06

And if you include those closed circuit attendance, the record still stands in the Atlanta Omni where half the matches were including the scaffold match were held about 15,000 paid 300 grand to set the all-time gate record there.

1:51:23

You had a closed circuit location and other cities like Columbia, South Carolina, selling out for 35 grand Kansas city doing 32,000 Charleston, West Virginia doing 33,000 and locations in Jacksonville, Florida, Cincinnati, Norfolk, Charlotte, and Albany bringing the total gate to just over $1 million, making it the first million dollar game in the history of the NWA and the third biggest of all time behind the first two.

1:51:52

Wrestlemania's the videotape.

1:51:54

The first NWA tape to be released in conjunction with Turner home entertainment was the first pro wrestling video in history to go gold with more than 50,000 units sold.

1:52:05

It's safe to estimate that in this pre pay-per-view era, over 60,000 fans left their homes on Thanksgiving night to see Starkey at 86, either live or on the big screens.

1:52:16

How about that?

1:52:19

I agree. Yeah, but now I will say that you're talking about gross.

1:52:25

Yep. Yes. All right.

1:52:28

Yes. The, the actual talent payoff for Jim cornet, what we just saw the big scaffold match, $10,045.

1:52:37

Okay. So pretty good payday for a, how many minutes was that?

1:52:40

I mean, really you're paying for the big bump, but it's a seven minute match.

1:52:44

Yeah. Big build. And then the big bump.

1:52:46

10 grand.

1:52:48

Yeah. He did say in there that was David Allen co.

1:52:53

He did say in there that, that they were on before Tali and dusty and that's wrong.

1:53:00

They were on before the rock and roll express and the Andersons and, and the Keaton flare that was incorrect by that.

1:53:06

Just, you know, what the hell, what is Looking

1:53:08

at the card. Okay. That that was written and they are, it has like flare and Nikita.

1:53:18

Right. My Dustin tele.

1:53:20

Okay. So midnight express scaffold.

1:53:23

So they had those off the book. Yup.

1:53:25

Yup. There you go. Rock and roll and Anderson's right.

1:53:29

And then Jones a wahoo rude, right?

1:53:35

Yep. So yeah, they, they, they were the top three.

1:53:42

They were number three from the top.

1:53:45

Can you give us numbers from that book or you'll do you mind?

1:53:47

And while you're looking for that, I want to show you, this is the poster from that night.

1:53:50

So when he says they were third, you can see, you know, it's flare of top, right.

1:53:56

Deli, tele and dusty.

1:53:58

And then there's the night of the Skywalkers.

1:54:01

Yeah. All right. I have 340,000 and then, and That's

1:54:12

for what? For Atlanta? I want To say that's Atlanta.

1:54:15

Okay. Three 40.

1:54:17

Yeah, because the 26th of November ticket sales, we had $304,435.

1:54:27

Okay. Advance ticket sales. They're in Atlanta.

1:54:29

All right, right on.

1:54:33

Now

1:54:33

this

1:54:33

Greensboro

1:54:33

has

1:54:33

got

1:54:33

me,

1:54:33

it

1:54:33

looks

1:54:33

like

1:54:33

129,944

1:54:33

on

1:54:33

the

1:54:33

25th

1:54:33

at

1:54:54

Greensboro.

1:54:54

All

1:54:57

right. So I don't know. There's he did not put, did not put a total for some reason, right?

1:55:04

Yeah. Because on the 24th it was 112,900.

1:55:07

So,

1:55:12

So that does not include the walk-up I would think.

1:55:15

No, no. That's yeah.

1:55:16

That saved the Atlanta clued.

1:55:21

The walk-up the 340.

1:55:24

Yeah. So Go

1:55:26

ahead. So cornet is probably didn't you say Conrad, 600,000 for that.

1:55:33

Oh. How about the credits here?

1:55:38

I'm thinking that the credits were put here, it's kind of odd to put in the middle of the show or before the main events We

1:55:46

were killing time. That's that's what I'm thinking.

1:55:48

Killing time, time.

1:55:50

They're saying, okay. We're not ready yet.

1:55:52

Just roll the credits.

1:55:56

Yeah. This is, this is a pucker pucker factor for me.

1:56:01

Yeah. Yeah.

1:56:02

I'm here.

1:56:04

Yeah. Hey Doug delegator. It Was

1:56:06

man. It was a camera man. Absolutely.

1:56:09

Larry.

1:56:11

Another former policemen. Yeah.

1:56:13

There's Tommy Edwards in Atlanta.

1:56:15

Yeah. He was a pain the ass too.

1:56:18

You went on to have a very good career at ESPN, by the way.

1:56:21

I think he was, he did.

1:56:23

Yeah. He, Tommy may still work for ESPN.

1:56:25

Not sure. There's Brenda Evans, our graphics girl working in the office.

1:56:30

Wayne and Barbara will Barbara Dana bless her heart.

1:56:35

Well, I was telling me is a pain in the ass, Mr. Crow.

1:56:37

He wanted to be the man and it's our wrestling show, you know?

1:56:47

And so he was energetic.

1:56:49

He was good, but there again, he had, you know, he, he just sometimes wouldn't listen.

1:57:01

And

1:57:01

especially

1:57:01

once

1:57:01

Turner

1:57:01

bought

1:57:01

us,

1:57:01

oh

1:57:01

God,

1:57:01

you

1:57:01

know,

1:57:01

he

1:57:01

said,

1:57:01

I

1:57:01

am

1:57:01

the

1:57:11

man. Now I am in charge of this.

1:57:14

Wow.

1:57:14

That's

1:57:14

that's

1:57:14

when

1:57:14

we

1:57:14

ran

1:57:14

out,

1:57:14

where

1:57:14

were

1:57:22

we? I wanna say we were in new Orleans and Jim heard and we ran over time.

1:57:32

Yeah. And heard was looking for somebody to kick in.

1:57:39

I said, Jim, you're not going to kick me.

1:57:40

We

1:57:40

had

1:57:40

nothing

1:57:40

to

1:57:40

do

1:57:40

with

1:57:45

this.

1:57:47

Yeah. So go ahead.

1:57:49

I just think that, you know, we, we had had a comfort zone with the people that we had worked with for years.

1:57:54

And then all of a sudden we end up in the TVs studios in 85 with a very brash, very ambitious, which he was Tommy Edwards.

1:58:04

And Tommy was a very talented guy still there.

1:58:07

And I still get, I still connect with him now.

1:58:11

And then he on Facebook. And so I just think maybe he kind of rubbed people the wrong way, because anyway, yet he had his own way of doing things and we had our own way of doing things.

1:58:22

Right. Yeah. And it was, and a lot of Turner people.

1:58:26

So this was an opportunity to, you know, take a chunk and there again too, at the same time, most of the Turner people hated us.

1:58:39

He think about a bill Shaw.

1:58:43

Was it a board of directors meeting?

1:58:46

That's when Jack Patrik had left.

1:58:49

Yeah. And so Tetra, right.

1:58:52

Who's gonna, you know, take them, who's going to take WCW.

1:58:56

Nobody, nobody on the board, Turner people step forward.

1:59:03

Right. So bill Shaw, who was head of HR debt and he saved us and made us what we became, Harvey Schiller, you know, he just let us, let us go crazy.

1:59:23

Yeah. Bill.

1:59:24

He knew how to manage.

1:59:28

Yeah. Bill will. I have a lot of time for bull shell.

1:59:29

I agree.

1:59:32

Yeah. I, I used to spend a lot, a lot of time.

1:59:34

Yeah. We'd have lunch every week.

1:59:37

Yeah. David, I don't, I don't know if you thought about this or not, but w when I go back and to think about the days that we were at Turner and at the studio, and I remember comparing that to what we did on the road.

1:59:50

In other words, before world championship wrestling, when we shot worldwide and mid Atlantic championship wrestling, we had our that's right.

1:59:59

We had our, we had our own people and you saw the cameraman, Doug Dellinger was a cameraman, but your, your brother, Jackie and Skeeter and all those guys, right.

2:00:08

Then we move into the studios.

2:00:09

And I remember thinking, listen, I, I don't know much about TV at that time, but I know enough to know this, that it seemed like that the Turner people, and this is, this has always been with me.

2:00:21

The Turner people used anybody that they had on hand that day to run the camera.

2:00:29

And it's a weekend crew. That's right. And it seemed like it was, it, it seemed like we were like, okay, wrestling's coming in God.

2:00:38

We need some cameraman. Hey, by the way, before you go to lunch today, I know you're editing.

2:00:44

Could you come run camera for us?

2:00:47

It was like, they just threw anybody in there to run camera for us.

2:00:50

Now, we, we got some pretty good people out of that.

2:00:52

Ricky Lasser, if you'll recall, Tim Smith was another one that we got out of that, but there was a lot of like people.

2:00:58

I remember one time that all of us, Rick Robey showed up, who was the punter for the dolphins and they let Rick Robey run camera.

2:01:09

I'm thinking, it's like I said, they, well, they presented what we did to the, to the office.

2:01:15

You know, there was no room.

2:01:17

So you had sweaty bodies sitting in chairs and the tobacco cups.

2:01:21

And there was only one shower if I remember correctly.

2:01:25

And he had to go through fans and whatever, and, and you know, it was a bad situation we'd made, you know, we did extremely well with a bad situation, but you know, there, there, again, if we had our own bit people, things would run a little bit better.

2:01:48

Yeah. Probably a lot better. Yeah.

2:01:51

Just to talk about being backstage or being back in the offices where they, and by the way, if you're, if you're watching along with us, we're in the middle of the rock and roll express men, rock-n-roll express the Anderson's in a Cajun Greensboro.

2:02:05

They're going to go 20 minutes.

2:02:07

But talk about in the back in the, in the offices, in the cubicles where the guys dressed and everything, one time I'm walking through back there.

2:02:15

I don't know why I'm walking through, but I look and I stumble over Kamala, Sadie, five Kamala in full gear, laying on the floor, right.

2:02:26

With a S with a cigar in his mouth.

2:02:28

And I remember, I remember thinking that vision is going to stay with me the rest of my life and it has.

2:02:37

Okay. And so if you're thinking, let's say that you got to go to work for Turner and they call you in for the weekend and do something, and you got to go to your cubicle and wrestling's going on.

2:02:48

And you go to your cubicle and there, you see the Kamala dying to come all, all painted up with a cigar.

2:02:53

And he's math. You're thinking, what the hell are these guys doing here?

2:02:57

And why they taken up our space?

2:03:00

And if you did come in and you couldn't get to your space because it was occupied.

2:03:04

And if you tried, you know, Kamala, somebody would look at you and growl.

2:03:10

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

2:03:12

It's.

2:03:14

Yeah. But 75 people fans at the soul were allowed in the studio, but man, did we do good?

2:03:22

We did great TV.

2:03:23

Fun, Great

2:03:26

memories. Yeah, no question.

2:03:28

I, I have a lot of fond memories of the Andersons.

2:03:31

Obviously Arne is still doing a podcast on this network with Conrad and just still one of my good friends who I don't connect with enough only is still living, is living here in Georgia, down in Monroe, Georgia.

2:03:48

I believe not doing well.

2:03:50

Last time I checked a wheelchair in a wheelchair.

2:03:55

Yeah. And I think all timers, all timers or dementia or something.

2:03:58

And I delayed the last time I talked to him, he got on the phone, he wanted to talk about Danny Hodge.

2:04:04

And so, but anyway, it's just, I have, I really, really enjoyed my time with all the Anderson to the point to where Jimmy Crockett used to say used to reference only when he was talking to me is your friend only Anderson as if, to say, why in the hell is that guy, your friend.

2:04:27

But

2:04:27

he

2:04:27

was

2:04:27

my

2:04:31

friend. And I really got along with Ali, drove him around a couple of times, but you know, as great as the rock expense, a midnight express, we're a Conrad.

2:04:39

You can chime in on this, this run with the Andersons they had was tremendous.

2:04:43

This was a run that they had, they had during the super summer Sizzler tour, the rock and roll express, the midnight rock and roll express.

2:04:51

The Andersons on top. These guys could really go, man.

2:04:55

Yeah. And there again, there was not that much talking, you know, as we, we said, you know, it's just, you know, only one son to look over at are, and you just saw the new.

2:05:08

Yeah. And only, you know, wanting, I spent a lot of time traveling with Ali and he talked a lot about mother earth magazine that was published near Asheville.

2:05:21

He would we'd stop there.

2:05:25

Right. He'd go in. And his dream was to go back up to Minnesota and build a cabin and have his own fish and saw mill and right.

2:05:35

Never see a human.

2:05:39

He built a, he built a house on that lake that is between South Carolina and Georgia.

2:05:45

And I don't remember the lake lake.

2:05:48

Yeah. He built, he built a house on there and when he was working for us and he came in one day and he was in bad shape, his back was in bad shape.

2:05:56

This was back in the nineties obviously.

2:05:58

And I asked him what was wrong.

2:06:00

And he fell off the roof that day.

2:06:02

And I said, don't, can't you hire people to do your roof for?

2:06:07

He said, yeah. But I like to say, I built my own house.

2:06:10

So he was that's what type of guy he was, man, he was, he was rugged.

2:06:16

He was into nature.

2:06:18

He had a cheap, oh my God.

2:06:23

I've told this story before.

2:06:26

But he would say that back in the days that when he would travel on, he would get that sometime at home.

2:06:35

And not, not much time at home as you know, with those guys, but he and his wife would go to the drive in and they would bring their own popcorn and they would bring their own drinks and their own snacks and everything, because he didn't want to pay the money for the concession, although he could afford it.

2:06:53

Right. Yeah. And he told me while we were going to TV one time and I was dreading.

2:06:58

So this had to be early. When I first came back, he told me, by the time it's all said and done, he expected to have like $4 million in the bank.

2:07:09

Not counting the money that he buried in the Backyard.

2:07:12

Probably. So probably, I mean, he, you know, the, the cash that he would work, you know, he did his own taxes, great mathematician.

2:07:22

Yeah. He's smart. And he'd figure out, you know, the mileage and receipts and so forth and we'll take off the tech, he nun up.

2:07:32

And he said, I probably got a million dollars burying backyard.

2:07:36

Yeah. What wouldn't surprise me.

2:07:38

Yeah. He invested in a home Depot when it first came out.

2:07:44

Oh, you can use, I'll tell you what, you could talk. You could talk stocks with him for hours.

2:07:48

Yes. Hours. Yeah.

2:07:49

That just amazing.

2:07:52

And another guy, Sandy Scott stocks, he Piedmont airlines says, Wow,

2:07:58

how about that? Piedmont? There's a throwback Piedmont airlines, a great Carolina based airline.

2:08:04

That's no longer with us Eastern airlines, another great airline that no longer work is just remembers remembering all that stuff.

2:08:12

All right. So we're, we're seeing a tremendous match here and the Andersons have focused on one thing and that's the leg of Robert Gibson, which Conrad's kind of funny because usually Ricky did the selling, right.

2:08:22

Yeah. But everybody knew that of the two Robert had the bigger leg, so Hey, Which

2:08:33

leg are you talking about? Nevermind.

2:08:36

Okay. And here's the hot tag and boy, they made it an art form and he comes in like a house of fire.

2:08:40

He being Ricky Morton all the Anderson though.

2:08:43

Not only is he a old school and, and very involved behind the scenes, but here he is, maybe in the Twilight of his career, passing on the Anderson tradition and continuing to be a major pillar of the horsemen.

2:09:00

But that's what we saw on TV behind the scenes.

2:09:03

What was he contributing here in 86?

2:09:06

I mean, if Dusty's primarily the Booker, what room does that leave behind the scenes for all the Anderson and this era, Mr.

2:09:14

Crockett? Not much, but to me, it's only with, on helping on making him, you know, the, the rape flares, the, the gene Anderson's, you know, as far as Oli, he was a great teacher, great teacher, you know, so that's what his contribution would be at that time.

2:09:42

You know, he, he was a natural pitcher.

2:09:46

He would bitch all the time about anything and everything, but there again told her I'm respected him, that I really liked the guy.

2:09:57

And,

2:09:57

you

2:09:57

know,

2:10:01

yeah. It was, yeah.

2:10:05

I guess you, you know, like you said, Twilight of his years, probably.

2:10:09

So, you know, I think if treated the right way, he could go a lot longer, but I think he got, he got disenchanted.

2:10:22

Yeah. In some ways.

2:10:24

Well, he, he was, when I returned in 1990, he was booking a for Jim heard after the, remember they brought back George Scott and it didn't last long at all.

2:10:36

And then only became the Booker then all, he was just kind of, I think all he was saying, as long as I've got a job and making money and I'm okay.

2:10:46

And I know that, that he was, he became the Booker and that was, that was a lot of fun for me, with Ali as a Booker.

2:10:57

Yeah. But I agree.

2:10:59

Very Good.

2:11:00

And he was old school. Yeah,

2:11:02

man Booker, right?

2:11:05

Yep. Maybe, maybe.

2:11:09

Well, it's hard to explain.

2:11:11

It's hard to put into words, the Jim herd era, but, but Oli was obviously a part of that.

2:11:21

And boy does Arne look like Brock hero?

2:11:22

What his son?

2:11:26

Yes.

2:11:29

I'm curious from a hindsight's 2020 perspective.

2:11:32

The David, I don't know that you ever talked to your brother about the rock and roll express in 86.

2:11:40

But when I got to sit down with him nearly a year ago, and we talked about 1986, he related a story where he was trying to explain, he just didn't understand exactly what they had in the rock.

2:11:54

And roll's at the time he recalled booking them for an appearance at Hardee's and that it was just miles and miles and miles of fans there to see the rock and roll express.

2:12:06

It exceeded all expectations and they did what they could with the rock and roll super summer Sizzler tour.

2:12:13

And they tried to release a t-shirt and they had a fan club and eventually they had Ricky singing.

2:12:21

They did a look alike contest and a dream date, and they did the bus, but he still felt like there was even more opportunity.

2:12:28

And he even talked about, you know, rock and roll express action figures.

2:12:33

And of course at the time the WWF was making money, hand over fist with some of these marketing and licensing concepts.

2:12:41

But he felt like if there was a missed opportunity in 86, as hot as the rocket roles were, perhaps in hindsight, the promotion could have been behind them even more.

2:12:51

Do you feel like that was a missed opportunity as well?

2:12:55

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

2:12:56

I agree.

2:12:57

Because they were at the right place right time.

2:13:01

And so we're we with them, they tests, they, they caught on, you know, if you look, look at them, they're, they're not as big as the Anderson's, you know, but th their action on their movements they're dressed.

2:13:19

The younger fans loved him.

2:13:24

I went out on some of those tours and really it, the outside you football stadiums cheerleaders the whole bit, it was just crazy.

2:13:37

And, and to, I guess what, we did not have enough people yeah.

2:13:45

Needed a bigger staff.

2:13:48

Yes. Definitely. Couldn't could not do everything we wanted to do with what we had.

2:13:54

And it was always the, we want to do what, you know, getting, hiring people that would buy into it.

2:14:04

Not just people that wanted a job, people that would actually buy into, you know, the, the wrestling figures or gain some more songs or, you know, it there's clothing.

2:14:23

We just didn't have it. You add a Francis was doing marketing, but she was also running a baseball team as well.

2:14:30

So, and so she has to contend with, And

2:14:33

she was short-staffed on our baseball team too.

2:14:35

So, yeah.

2:14:38

So it's, yeah.

2:14:40

I agree, man. You, you had something, I remember, I think you talked about a two Carol wins when they went to Carowinds.

2:14:48

Well, Ricky, talk to him, we re, we talked to Ricky Martin last week and they went to Carowinds and they had to shut down Carowinds and have them come back at a different time.

2:14:58

Tony, explain what Carowinds is.

2:15:00

We've got some international folks, sorry.

2:15:02

Carowinds is a, it's a theme park that is located proudly on the South Carolina, North Carolina border, south of Charlotte around rock hill.

2:15:13

Maybe, maybe a little bit north of that.

2:15:15

David you'd probably know better than that. Six flags like a six flags.

2:15:19

Absolutely. With rollercoaster. And they had a daycare winds and we were good.

2:15:23

We announced the rock and roll express express, go beat Carowinds.

2:15:26

And it just, it was, it was out of control the fans that were with them.

2:15:33

So they immediately, Yeah,

2:15:36

it was like, it was like a rock band coming in.

2:15:40

Yes, that's exactly right.

2:15:41

Great

2:15:44

times.

2:15:45

Yeah. I, I guess I, I'm going to interrupt here, I guess.

2:15:48

No, I've listened to you guys that we're, you know, we're not paying that much attention to the, to the match.

2:15:55

Right. But I guess we're, you really want to know about the characters, the wrestlers, that the history, right, right.

2:16:08

Okay. Yeah. We don't, you know, I mean, listen to fans can follow along a lot of fans.

2:16:12

Don't don't do a watch along with us.

2:16:14

Some do, but for those of you that are watching with us only Anderson right now is taking the measure.

2:16:22

Ricky Morton. And I mentioned that it looks like Robert was doing the selling, but here's Ricky Morton being Ricky Morton right now bleeding a Stuck

2:16:29

pig begging for help.

2:16:32

Yeah. That, that he used to do that he used to raise up and look at a girl in the first row, go help me and bring him to tears.

2:16:41

Yes, absolutely.

2:16:45

He lives in Bristol, Virginia, Tennessee now.

2:16:48

Yeah. We just, we just talked to him last week.

2:16:52

He was a delight to talk to. He was happy to talk to us.

2:16:55

And as you know, all of us is aged.

2:16:59

He, he sounded like Ricky Morton from 1986 to me, He

2:17:03

still wrestles.

2:17:05

Does he ever yes.

2:17:07

Yeah. He told, he also mentioned to me, he was 65.

2:17:10

Now he's lying like a son of a bitch.

2:17:13

He's older than 65. I can tell you that.

2:17:16

Oh,

2:17:16

Mandy

2:17:16

Anderson

2:17:16

spine

2:17:16

Buster,

2:17:16

which

2:17:16

was

2:17:16

a

2:17:16

tremendous

2:17:16

move

2:17:16

back

2:17:24

then. And Robert had to make the safe.

2:17:26

These

2:17:26

guys

2:17:26

have

2:17:26

torn

2:17:26

it

2:17:29

up. I know we've been reminiscing on Oli and the rock-n-roll express and the years in Jim Crockett back then, but these, these guys are just tearing it up.

2:17:38

They're putting their time in because we're waiting for the plane waiting for the plane.

2:17:44

I

2:17:44

guess

2:17:44

you

2:17:44

get

2:17:44

fan

2:17:49

mail. As far as people asking questions about the history.

2:17:55

Oh, all the time. That's kind of what, what brought us, if I'm right, Conrad, you can Linden all this.

2:18:01

That's kinda what brought us to going back and taking a look at 1986 the entire year.

2:18:06

And now there's some fans that, that don't appreciate it.

2:18:08

I get it. Some fans grew up during the nitro era as I call it and want to hear, want to hear more of that.

2:18:14

But there's a big fan base that remembers this time and wants to go back and relive what's going on.

2:18:21

So, and we get a lot of messages on Patrion.

2:18:23

That's patrion.com/wsw Monday.

2:18:26

And we appreciate all the fans there.

2:18:28

And of course we're out on the Cumulus network each and every Wednesday as well.

2:18:32

But we do get a lot of feedback and Conrad, I know you, you, and what's his name?

2:18:36

Dave

2:18:36

Silva,

2:18:36

I

2:18:36

believe

2:18:36

is

2:18:36

his

2:18:40

name. You and Dave Silva obviously check the social media lot.

2:18:48

And the fans really appreciate this.

2:18:51

Well, it's just good to, especially since we've been watching all of 1986 together, you know, fans really grew up with David Crockett and Tony Shavani, and now we've got them back together again for the granddaddy of them all.

2:19:04

And you know, a lot of people consider WrestleMania the, the marquee event in wrestling.

2:19:10

And there's no doubt it is these days, but star Cade actually predates WrestleMania.

2:19:17

Mr. Crockett, if he could sort of explain how star Cade came to be and, and your understanding of the, the super show, the mega show, if you will, well, You

2:19:30

had to come up with something different, you know, Thursday, Thanksgiving, you know, star arcade was a name that was created to say, this is going to be special.

2:19:48

Greensboro is always going to be special Thanksgiving.

2:19:51

It's always going to be special.

2:19:53

So instead of just calling it a Thanksgiving, a special let's call it star Cade, you're going to see all the stars.

2:20:00

And Greensboro was always the hottest market for us, you know, during that time.

2:20:07

So, you know, it was a way to catch them, catch fans, you know, a hook, I guess you might say too.

2:20:17

And it worked now that you have special, Matt covers, you know, skirts around the ring, special types of matches, blow offs for the year.

2:20:33

Okay. That, that would be a good name for it.

2:20:38

You, you blow off a lot of the angles that are created during the year at this event.

2:20:45

And then also you're creating other angles coming out of this.

2:20:51

You know, you could, you know, dislike what the run ends that we saw with Jimmy, Jimmy vane, and some of the other matches that, okay, you could come back out with tags singles six, man, just go on and on Pause,

2:21:11

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2:24:51

Star Cade 86 let's press play in 3, 2, 1 play, listen to the crowd here.

2:24:58

The

2:24:58

rock

2:24:58

and

2:24:58

roll

2:24:58

express

2:24:58

is

2:24:58

going

2:24:58

to

2:24:58

escape

2:24:58

with

2:24:58

the

2:25:07

victory. They win 19 minutes and three seconds So the belts were a, an interesting topic of discussion in more recent weeks, as we've been revisiting 86, we went from the traditional gold, almost like a cast Eagle type championship, seven plate world title.

2:25:35

And then very briefly we saw the debut of the blue tag team titles.

2:25:40

And now here at the show that everyone remembers most of all from 86, it's like the 25th anniversary version of those casts, seven plate, like giant Eagle championship, but they're two tone.

2:25:55

So it's the 25th anniversary as far as the aesthetics or the look.

2:26:01

Did you have a favorite set of tag titles, Mr.

2:26:03

Crockett?

2:26:05

Unlike the golden silver. Yeah.

2:26:07

You know, it remind, you know, a lot of that came from looking at cowboy buckles, right.

2:26:12

You know, the bronc riding.

2:26:14

And I said, you know, it, it works.

2:26:18

It, it satisfies both Speaking

2:26:23

of a world titles and the look of those championships.

2:26:26

We're about to see the biggest of them, all the big gold belt as here he comes the nature boy out first as the champion.

2:26:34

And as a reminder, even though everyone remembers Greensboro with a star arcade here, this one's in Atlanta.

2:26:44

The main event is in Atlanta in hindsight.

2:26:48

Was that a mistake, Mr. Crockett?

2:26:49

You know, a lot of people are critical of the idea that star Cade ever left Greensboro, but should the main event have been in Greensboro Personally?

2:26:59

I think all of them should have been in Greensboro.

2:27:01

Yeah know, technically it would help a lot, but there too, we were on TBS.

2:27:08

We needed to make a statement in Atlanta.

2:27:12

And so really that's why we're there, you know, with this, it, it, you know, we've learned to, to, to prove to them, you know, that, you know, you've got this event going on, it's being televised pay-per-view and theaters too, that, you know, just the, I, I'm going to say, just think if we had streaming then yeah.

2:27:39

Like we do now what our total attendance would be.

2:27:45

You know, that would be fantastic.

2:27:48

We see a flare coming to the room here.

2:27:50

Go ahead, go ahead.

2:27:53

I was going to say that I remember the Nikita entrance here.

2:27:56

And I remember talking to dusty about that.

2:27:58

And dusty had told me that, and I don't know.

2:28:03

I don't know if it came across this way.

2:28:05

He said, we're going to put a spotlight on the Kita and it's going to get brighter and brighter.

2:28:09

As soon as the spotlight first hits, there may be some fans that think that, oh, Magnum TA is really back and he's going to wrestle.

2:28:16

But then as the spotlight grows brighter and brighter, you find out this Nikita.

2:28:22

Now that's what he told me that he wanted.

2:28:24

I don't know What

2:28:27

let's track it here. I get here.

2:28:28

It's

2:28:28

a

2:28:28

terrible

2:28:28

music,

2:28:28

but

2:28:28

we've

2:28:28

got

2:28:28

a

2:28:28

cutaway

2:28:28

shot

2:28:28

of

2:28:28

what

2:28:28

looks

2:28:28

like

2:28:28

a

2:28:28

sunset

2:28:28

and

2:28:28

an

2:28:28

Eagle

2:28:38

flying. And of course, a lot of people remember, as we see, this is a training montage video.

2:28:44

Now we see a figure in the distance running on the, it looks like the beach herd are down around Virginia Beach And

2:28:52

that's, And that was, and there's magnetic.

2:28:55

Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

2:28:59

And we went shot That one day.

2:29:01

Yeah. So again, it's, it's almost as if you think that here he comes and he's going to make his way back, which obviously David, we knew that he would never would, but yeah, We

2:29:13

were just hoping that he would Live

2:29:16

live. Right. Exactly.

2:29:17

So

2:29:17

there's

2:29:17

Magnum

2:29:17

and

2:29:17

that's

2:29:17

the

2:29:17

first

2:29:17

blood

2:29:17

match,

2:29:17

I

2:29:17

think

2:29:17

from

2:29:17

85,

2:29:17

the

2:29:29

I quit match and I

2:29:32

quit. I'm sorry. You're right. The I quit match, which is which are year, Which

2:29:38

Is great match.

2:29:41

One of the great matches of all time. So they go from this, they're going to go to Nikita.

2:29:46

And so anyway, I just remember dusty talking about this moment.

2:29:56

As we see the midsection of a Magnum TA there, as he's running on the beach has a very Rocky like feel.

2:30:02

And of course, as the legend goes, Magnum TA was supposed to be the opponent here for Rick flair.

2:30:09

This was going to be the passing of the torch.

2:30:11

If you will. Of course the, the other channel has a, a, a strong baby face.

2:30:17

It is a baby face promotion.

2:30:19

It's all about Hulkamania.

2:30:20

And maybe in hindsight, Crockett was trying to throw their hat in the ring and, you know, make a Magnum TA their own whole Kogan, if you will.

2:30:31

Well, Magnum had that charisma that yeah, he could, he could have been a whole Khamenei.

2:30:39

Yeah, unbelievable.

2:30:44

Yeah. It was, it was different in, in, but he had that, you already had that charisma, he was more of a, a rugged, handsome than something.

2:30:52

Something that would appeal to the kids.

2:30:55

I think more to the adults and my right to say that then the kids To

2:31:00

the, I guess you might say tweens.

2:31:03

Yeah. Maybe. So. Yeah. Definitely want to be a tough guy type thing.

2:31:06

You know, he came out, dressed in jeans and he always had his sunglasses.

2:31:11

Well, many times had his sunglasses on.

2:31:13

And this is quote, when you think about Magnum not being able to perform or barely even walk again, this is, is quite a poignant moment.

2:31:24

Yeah.

2:31:24

That's

2:31:24

he

2:31:24

and

2:31:24

his

2:31:24

mom

2:31:27

That was done all that was done in the truck there at brown Ben.

2:31:31

Yeah. About the action truck. Wow. NEEMO, by the way, we've been talking about Greensboro and yes, I always agree that Greensboro should have been the place that star Cade stays because Thanksgiving was a big deal in Greensboro.

2:31:43

And it was a big deal at the Omni too.

2:31:45

They always said Thanksgiving was the biggest day in resting as you know, David, but no one wrestles on Thanksgiving anymore.

2:31:54

Yeah. I don't think the WWE does.

2:31:55

I don't think they did before the pandemic.

2:31:58

I'm not sure.

2:32:00

Christmas night was always a fantastic night and you got tired of being in the house with all the kids and then you have toys and banging and right.

2:32:09

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2:32:27

So let's talk about Thanksgiving here for a moment.

2:32:30

I mean, this is the era where, you know, this show is happening on Thanksgiving day.

2:32:34

What was there any sort of consideration for the fans of our, not, not the fans, but the actual talent who were missing their Thanksgiving with their families, Tony in this era, would you do Thanksgiving with Lois in the fam and all that the day before or another time?

2:32:54

Or was it just earlier in the day? And then you would scoot up to the building or just talk about, Yeah,

2:32:59

it was earlier in the day because it was a day where I think the thought was you got cabin fever that you've been like David said, you've been on Christmas day.

2:33:08

You've been in the house. Same thing with Thanksgiving.

2:33:10

You've been in the house, had an early dinner.

2:33:12

And then everybody got in the car and went to wrestling.

2:33:14

Yes, I listen.

2:33:17

I traveled many, many years.

2:33:19

I traveled from my home in Virginia.

2:33:21

I, we ate Thanksgiving early.

2:33:23

We always ate Thanksgiving dinner early.

2:33:26

It wasn't because of wrestling. We had Thanksgiving dinner early and I would get in the car with my friends in my later years, my teenage years.

2:33:33

And we would drive the three hours from my house, Virginia to the Greensboro Coliseum to see wrestling in Greensboro.

2:33:38

That was the thing we sold a double ring, two rings battle Royal one time with Andre, the giant.

2:33:44

And we always got ringside tickets.

2:33:48

We never got front row. For some reason, we got front row tickets that night.

2:33:52

Wow. And I remember the lady, the, the w the lady, a couple of ladies front row said, Hey, we'd never seen you here before.

2:33:58

So obviously the people at the Greensboro Coliseum were regulars who sat in the front row.

2:34:03

I said, yeah. I said, I don't know why we got front row seats.

2:34:06

She said, well, someone must've not, not shown up or cancel their tickets.

2:34:10

And they gave them to you instead.

2:34:11

I went, hell yeah.

2:34:14

So it was a Thanksgiving tradition.

2:34:18

And for the people in Atlanta and the Georgia going to the Omni was Thanksgiving traditions.

2:34:24

Well, yeah, you could count on it.

2:34:26

You knew it was coming. You could plan for it.

2:34:29

It was not something that was spontaneous.

2:34:31

It was not something that, you know, like a rock concert or so forth that, you know, you see in a year in advance, you knew it was going to happen.

2:34:45

The nature boy, heres revealing the big gold bell, which also debuted 96.

2:34:49

But I think this is the debut of that robe to a flare has told me before that at the time that was by far his most expensive rope ever.

2:34:58

So he saved the best for last here with Starkey at 86, but the big gold belt would replace what most wrestling fans, Tony Shavani included most closely associate the interview world title with has been nicknamed by collectors as the dome to globe.

2:35:14

What'd you think of the, the big gold here, Mr.

2:35:18

Crockett?

2:35:20

Well, since I had a lot to do with having it made, I liked it really.

2:35:27

I mean, you know, you know, Jimmy, we were talking about, and he said he wanted a new belt.

2:35:34

I said, okay.

2:35:35

And so came up with, started looking, came up with some designs from different people or there again, you know, calling them up and these were not wrestling.

2:35:47

You know, people, you know, they'd say you want to do what and what size.

2:35:55

And you know, it's not a little belt buckle.

2:35:58

It's, you know, it's a big belt.

2:36:00

They

2:36:00

got

2:36:00

it

2:36:03

done. And it went through a Nelson Royal shop, right.

2:36:07

In Morrisville, the Western wear store.

2:36:10

And I think it was ordered through the crumb run organization, Mr.

2:36:14

Victor, or did it by hand.

2:36:16

And it's really inspired by the old belt buckles that we talked about before.

2:36:21

Right? Yes. And it actually had a true gyms in it, which were eventually knocked out or, you know, they were disappeared.

2:36:33

So you, we put fake ones.

2:36:35

Yeah. Yeah. Later on.

2:36:38

Did you think when you were constructing the belt that you and Jimmy and talk about, Hey, there's a five-year-old kid right now in Huntsville, Alabama, who eventually will want to buy that belt one day.

2:36:50

Did you think about that?

2:36:52

No, it didn't because I never thought we would want to sell it.

2:37:01

Yeah. Which by the way, which, by the way, as me asking, do you have any belts in your possession you'd like to sell?

2:37:05

Because I know there's someone on The

2:37:07

line. Okay. I'm looking at, yeah.

2:37:10

He knows about the ones behind me, but yeah.

2:37:14

I took him to Chicago and Showed

2:37:16

him. Yes, that's right. I remember you brought them out when we did our, our little thing on set.

2:37:23

Yeah. Which was a great weekend by the way.

2:37:25

Oh, well done.

2:37:27

I'm Surprised you two guys.

2:37:28

Remember it, Paul,

2:37:32

Bromwell you son of a bitch. I know you're listening.

2:37:34

He kept sending mules to us Moscow meals.

2:37:39

This was good.

2:37:41

Yeah. Those were No,

2:37:42

I hate to, I hate to do this.

2:37:44

When are you going to be in Greensboro?

2:37:47

December 22nd, Wednesday.

2:37:50

Mark it down on your calendar.

2:37:52

That's what I'm doing.

2:37:53

And we're going to come to Raleigh to after the first year on January 12th at the PNC arena in Raleigh, We,

2:38:04

we gotta make mention of Tommy young here.

2:38:07

He's our referee flares got on new tights, new boots, new robe.

2:38:12

He's got a, his first day of school look, go in here.

2:38:15

And I think a lot of people given the little video that we saw Magnum TA and the idea that Nikita and Magnum were these bitter rivals, but he's now a baby face and he's here to fight for Magnum.

2:38:33

A lot of folks probably assume he's going to combine the us championship and the world title and leave as world champion.

2:38:41

Do you think it was ever seriously considered?

2:38:44

Because it does feel like if he's been this he'll given what's happening with Magnum and it's a feel good story.

2:38:51

It does feel like, okay, let's send them home happy.

2:38:53

It doesn't go that way.

2:38:55

Do you think it was ever even seriously considered?

2:38:58

No, we were just in survival mode at that time, you know, trying to figure out, okay, what do we do?

2:39:08

You know, since Magnum's out and you know, we're always, you know, thinking about Magnum at the same time, but realized that we had to figure something out and thankfully believing that, you know, Rick helped us out with that too.

2:39:24

Talking about, you know, Nikita and Nikita, you know, stepped up.

2:39:32

Yeah. We talked to Nikita, we talked to Nikita last week and he said for someone who had just really started in the business, like what, four years before this Conrad in about 82.

2:39:41

Yeah. For him to be in the main event, it was kind of like mind blowing for him.

2:39:44

But again, you know, Rick had this ability to make anyone to make a match with anyone.

2:39:51

Yes, he did.

2:39:54

He, he is bumping for Nikita now, buddy.

2:40:00

And the thing is, he's talking to him the whole time.

2:40:02

Yeah. Right, Exactly.

2:40:05

Because you know, there again, Nikita is trying to figure out, like you say, he is all struck that he's in this event, he wants to do his very best.

2:40:17

And

2:40:17

Rick

2:40:17

just

2:40:17

has

2:40:17

that

2:40:17

new

2:40:17

and

2:40:17

Rick,

2:40:17

at

2:40:17

some

2:40:17

point,

2:40:17

you

2:40:17

know,

2:40:17

we'll

2:40:17

blow

2:40:17

him

2:40:17

up

2:40:17

a

2:40:17

little

2:40:24

bit. So he, so he'll relax.

2:40:25

Cause he's gasping for air.

2:40:27

Then, then they'll relax a little bit.

2:40:30

Yeah. And Tommy saw Tommy's talking to him today Because

2:40:34

Rick just said Rick was shouting at the referee, but he was telling the referee what the tail Nikita, which is again, it is the, the magic of the business.

2:40:44

Rick flair right now is directing this whole thing.

2:40:48

He is directing the whole thing and he's basically calling everything and, and he's doing it to so subtly that you can tell he's doing it.

2:40:59

And Tommy, Young's a part of this.

2:41:02

It's just that to me, this is just a wonderful part of the business just, And

2:41:08

he's taking, he's taking the strong points of Nikita and, and, and helping Nikita through this and Nikita is doing great.

2:41:22

Yeah, he is. Yeah. And Tommy's all into it to Tommy yawn In

2:41:27

your mind is Tommy young, the greatest referee ever.

2:41:30

Mr. Crockett, When

2:41:34

do you want to say that Tommy young is Tommy, you know, greatest.

2:41:38

I

2:41:38

want

2:41:38

to

2:41:38

say

2:41:38

it's

2:41:38

probably

2:41:38

the

2:41:38

most

2:41:43

involved. Yeah. He really personally will.

2:41:47

Definitely. Yeah, I would. I would say, you know, what is the greatest, you know, I, I'm not trying to hide from the question, but you know, even sunny Fargo had certain characters as a referee Stu Schwartz.

2:42:05

Yeah. There was another son.

2:42:06

He's was he wouldn't take a shower.

2:42:09

Oh, that's great. Oh yeah.

2:42:12

Now So, and we we've talked to Tommy young and Tommy will say, when you call him the greatest referee, he'll say, well, they have nurse talking about both the Earl and David are the greatest referees ever.

2:42:22

So, So pay close attention here.

2:42:24

I think in just a minute, we're going to have a situation.

2:42:27

Is this where it happens Now?

2:42:29

A Nikita's exposed and Tommy just helped him out.

2:42:33

Yep. The key does balls came out, you saw it and Tommy saw it and he pushed them back in.

2:42:39

Oh, I bet he loved that. Well,

2:42:41

that's been a pro Whatever

2:42:45

it takes. Wow. How about that?

2:42:47

I didn't remember that.