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Hi there,

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we know that

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what is personal is universal. I

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am Amanda Loveland.

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And I am

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Jessica devenish. Welcome to the

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conversation. Well, hello, hello. Hello.

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Hello. Welcome to the

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conversation. I always want to

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sing there's all sorts of Hello,

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Lionel Richie on us. Hello, send

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me are you gonna do

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Adele? Which one was the Lionel

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Richie

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version?

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The Lionel

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Richie version? Well, today we

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wanted to talk about

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I'm actually

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kind of excited. This maybe just

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because we were talking about other stuff that wasn't

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wasn't

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happy. And yeah, that was a nice

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change of change of pace. Well,

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if we're talking about people

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find their individuality and

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their own personal sovereignty,

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and it starts with us, then I

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think hormones hormone, yes. is

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in this came up, because I

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recently just had my labs done.

1:03

And I've been on this, like,

1:03

I've been on this journey for a

1:06

long time, Amanda, not all women

1:06

have. But I feel like my journey

1:10

when I had my brain tumor when I

1:10

was 21. And ever since then, my

1:15

hormones, I mean, really, and I

1:15

had my thyroid have my thyroid

1:18

out. And five, I mean, I was 22.

1:18

Wow. So that's a long time. So

1:22

it's not that you're that old.

1:25

But it's been a little while, it's been a little while. And so I've been

1:26

on this like, journey of trying

1:31

to like, live full out. Right.

1:31

And just because I feel good. I

1:36

mean, I'm not gonna say that I

1:36

have the worst story in the

1:40

planet. I feel good. I feel good.

1:42

Yeah, I want to

1:42

feel a part amazing. But part of

1:44

why you do feel good, though, is

1:44

you are aware and you do take

1:48

the effort and you do the things

1:48

to be healthy, you know,

1:52

for sure.

1:52

And sometimes, like, I mean, I

1:55

after my thyroid and all of

1:55

that, and I had kids and I was

1:59

running a company. I mean, in

1:59

2009 I don't know how many years

2:03

I had on my company at that

2:03

time, I had adrenal fatigue. I

2:06

mean, I just hit the wall. I was

2:06

like, I was in bad shape. So I

2:11

think, you know, sometimes we do

2:11

get so depleted that we have to

2:15

like hit the ground, you have to

2:15

hit zero. Yeah, you know, to

2:18

come back up, and I did I hit, I

2:18

hit bottom, like I was. Yeah, I

2:25

wasn't good. So I had adrenal

2:25

fatigue. And so I kind of

2:28

started on my whole journey.

2:28

Once again, you know, ebbs and

2:31

flows, ups and downs. And so I'm

2:31

still trying to figure out, I

2:36

mean, I got my labs back. And

2:36

anybody I mean, I'm 48. So I'll

2:40

just for those that don't know

2:40

it, no doubt anybody that if

2:43

you're not feeling great, I just

2:43

encourage you to like, it's

2:48

okay. to want to feel great.

2:48

Yeah, and to do your labs, and

2:51

ask questions. And really just

2:51

trust your internal guidance

2:54

system. Because back to when I

2:54

had my brain tumor. Everything

2:58

that I was sharing with the

2:58

doctor, like my labs looked

3:01

looked great, nothing would

3:01

indicate that I had a brain

3:04

tumor. Other than I knew my

3:04

body, and I pushed and pushed

3:09

and push that something was off.

3:09

Something doesn't feel right.

3:13

You know, the point where the

3:13

receptionist kind of made me

3:16

feel like I was a bit of a

3:16

hypochondriac and that I had.

3:19

So you were one of those.

3:20

I was I was one of those patients. I mean, I was 21. I had no desire to be a

3:22

hypochondriac. Right, right. I

3:25

was planning to get married.

3:25

Life was great for me, I just, I

3:29

was tired, I didn't feel good.

3:29

And I knew I just knew my

3:33

internal guidance system was

3:33

talking to me. And I was

3:35

listening. So I'm grateful that

3:35

that young age, I had the

3:39

ability to trust it. And to say,

3:39

no kidding, Doctor, something's

3:44

not right. I don't care, all

3:44

these labs or whatever showing

3:48

here. Something's not right. And

3:48

even still today. At this point,

3:52

I still feel strongly and I push

3:52

the line with my doctors.

3:57

They're like, Oh, this is normal

3:57

range. Okay, but how I feel is

4:02

more important than that number.

4:02

And I think that we need to

4:06

empower ourselves and say, and

4:06

if you don't, if you aren't

4:10

going to a doctor that says,

4:10

okay, your labs are normal, but

4:14

how do you feel, then you're

4:14

probably I'm going to, I'm just

4:17

going to venture out and say that you're not in the right place.

4:19

You know, my,

4:19

my dad, when he got when he was

4:22

sick, he went in, he had had his

4:22

gallbladder out. And then after,

4:27

I think it was his gallbladder.

4:27

I'm 99%. Sure, that's what it

4:30

was. And after that surgery, he

4:30

just could not bounce back. So

4:34

he kept going back to his doctor, and he goes, something else is wrong. And he kept

4:35

saying and fine, and his doctor

4:39

did listen to him. And he's

4:39

like, well, let's run, because

4:41

they did do the other things and

4:41

everything was fine. And finally

4:44

he ran this other tests, he had leukemia.

4:46

So this was

4:46

the same thing. It's the same

4:48

thing. I think if you I mean, I

4:48

have a friend who's going

4:51

through cancer and she's just

4:51

always pushing it. She's always

4:55

going to new doctors and getting

4:55

new opinions and just trying to

4:59

educate playdough they look at

4:59

me like, I'm kind of crazy. But

5:03

she's like, I just know my body.

5:03

And I'm, I'm trying all the

5:06

things,

5:07

when you look at any kind of knowledge, right, it's like, especially when we're

5:08

talking about the body and

5:11

health, it's always evolving and

5:11

changing. And there's so many

5:14

different things that are coming

5:14

in that are a new approach to

5:17

whatever. So it would make sense

5:17

that, you know, one doctor is

5:20

going to have one perspective of

5:20

what he's, or she's learned, and

5:24

another is going to have a

5:24

different. So in some ways, it's

5:26

a little bit more of a holistic

5:26

approach of, Okay, let's go find

5:29

more information, which it sounds like you've kind of done over the years is learn

5:31

different things and trial by

5:34

trial and error. And

5:36

there's been

5:36

times where I've been seeing two

5:38

doctors at the same time. Yeah,

5:38

just and they didn't know that.

5:41

But I just, I was trying to just

5:41

feel amazing. Yeah. And I was

5:44

trying to bridge that gap. Yeah.

5:44

And you know, one doctor, they

5:48

do a huge thyroid panel, and one

5:48

doctors just testing one of your

5:53

d3. And I'm, I really kind of

5:53

learned that you just have to

5:59

educate yourself enough to ask

5:59

the right questions. And the I

6:02

think the doctors appreciate

6:02

that, too. In some ways, I've

6:04

never been, I've never felt from

6:04

any of my doctors that they

6:07

didn't appreciate that I had

6:07

some knowledge in asking

6:10

questions.

6:10

Yeah, I would

6:10

agree. And I feel like I mean,

6:13

my little scare last year was

6:13

nothing near what a lot of

6:17

people go through. But it was

6:17

interesting. Going through that

6:22

experience, because when something starts happening to your body, and you don't know

6:23

what's going on, and the levels

6:26

are coming back, and nothing's

6:26

really flagging, and but you

6:29

know, something's wrong, you do

6:29

start going to the worst case

6:32

scenarios. And so there's a lot

6:32

of fear that comes up. And so

6:34

then naturally you do you lean

6:34

on the doctor, so that, I mean,

6:38

that's what they're there for to

6:38

help you figure out what what

6:41

was wrong. And I'm just really

6:41

quickly my story, I'd started

6:45

bleeding. And it was like, it

6:45

went from like a little of my

6:48

normal period to then I just

6:48

kept bleeding. And it was like,

6:51

well, that's odd, then bleeding

6:51

to where I was almost bleeding

6:53

the entire month. And in my

6:53

family, that's not a thing. And

6:58

I'd never had that as an issue.

6:58

So I started going to do hormone

7:01

things. And I finally went into

7:01

do like the little ultrasounds

7:06

and they're like, yeah, there's

7:06

some cysts here. And like, it

7:09

looks like maybe there's a polyp, but we're not really seeing. And, and finally, I go

7:10

to a gynecologist who I had

7:17

never It was a PA, and who I'd

7:17

never gone to. And the irony

7:20

behind this one, this is kind of

7:20

a funny personal story. I go in

7:24

there, and I was working with

7:24

our psychic friend, oh, Kelly,

7:31

Kelly. And I was turning on my

7:31

psychic abilities. And so I was

7:34

playing with it. And, um, and I

7:34

go into that meeting with her

7:40

and a spirit comes in that so

7:40

freaking loud, I could not hear

7:44

what the doctor was saying, I'm

7:44

just not a doctor, whatever she

7:46

is, I couldn't hear what she was

7:46

saying. And I had to suffer. And

7:49

I and I said, this is gonna

7:49

sound really funny or really

7:52

odd, but and I told her who I

7:52

why my trauma and data, data

7:55

data, and your mom's here. Oh,

7:55

my God, it ended up being a

8:00

really beautiful conversation.

8:00

She was super open to it. But

8:03

then the beauty in that is that

8:03

we formed a personal bond. And

8:07

then she did a pelvic exam. And

8:07

she's like, How the hell did

8:10

this last doctor not see this, I

8:10

had this huge growth in and she

8:14

just cuts it right there. And

8:14

I'm like, What the hell? Long

8:16

story short, it ended up. They

8:16

called it us. It's a sex cord

8:20

tumor, which is very rare to

8:20

have in the uterus. And she

8:24

calls me it was July 4 weekend,

8:24

so everything's gonna be closed.

8:28

And she's like, you have to get

8:28

into an oncologist ASAP, which

8:32

scares the shit out of anybody.

8:32

And so then I went down the path

8:38

of, like, shock and disbelief

8:38

and but my body doesn't do I

8:42

really have cancer, and kind of,

8:42

and then it takes however many

8:45

weeks to get into the oncologist

8:45

and, um, and I end up having a

8:50

hysterectomy. And everything's

8:50

totally fine. The funny the

8:52

interesting thing too, though,

8:52

and I guess I'll add this in

8:56

here is I ended up taking time

8:56

and I wrote a letter to my

9:01

uterus. I love that so much. You

9:01

know, I was I all of a sudden,

9:06

and this was just last year. So

9:06

here we are in and this is why I

9:10

swear to God, all of us have had

9:10

some sort of a personal purge,

9:14

if you will. And I felt like

9:14

here I was going in literally

9:18

clearing out some feminine stuff

9:18

in my lineage. Like it wasn't

9:21

just mine, it felt like feminine

9:21

clearing. And so because of my

9:26

circles, I am in the middle of

9:26

this women's circle. That was

9:29

the most stunning challenging

9:29

things for me because I'm in the

9:33

middle and I am moving through

9:33

all these emotions, because what

9:36

am I going to do if I really

9:36

have cancer, I'm going to go to

9:39

natural like my people that are

9:39

healers and, and so we did all

9:43

sorts of things. And one of the

9:43

women there said when she went

9:46

through, she wrote a letter to

9:46

her uterus. And I did and I was

9:50

shocked at how emotional that

9:50

was. You know, it was right

9:53

before my surgery and I did that

9:53

I actually had asked if I could

9:55

keep my uterus and it was this

9:55

big to do so I just let it Let

9:59

it be but Anyway, was last year.

9:59

This was just a year ago.

10:03

I had a

10:03

hysterectomy in 2012. Yeah.

10:06

Quite a over many years of pain

10:06

and suffering.

10:10

Yeah. And I went and did all the research or read all and it was part of the

10:12

forums and some people it was

10:15

such a godsend when they finally

10:15

and I, you know, it's been odd.

10:19

It I never thought I you know, I

10:19

was 41 How old am I now? Yeah,

10:23

41. You know, I didn't, I didn't

10:23

think I would be going through

10:28

hysterectomy at 41. Because it

10:28

just didn't, you know, wasn't

10:32

it? So it's just interesting how

10:32

sometimes these little these

10:35

health things actually, in my

10:35

belief system, or help things to

10:39

also push us to looking at the

10:39

underlying emotions which you

10:43

shared with your brain tumor.

10:43

And I think in that sense, it's

10:45

a really beautiful thing.

10:47

I was 39

10:49

Oh, really?

10:49

How interesting. Just did the math, like do so. But I had been

10:51

through and you know, come to

10:55

find out afterwards. They're

10:55

like, you are covered in

10:57

endometriosis? Which you can't?

10:57

There's no way to know if you

11:00

have endometriosis unless I go

11:00

in. Yeah. And so yeah, they were

11:03

like, No wonder you

11:04

didn't feel

11:04

amazing. While I'm you, didn't

11:06

you? I felt like you're gonna

11:06

start telling them. We're at 21.

11:09

She just kept filling and

11:09

treating you like you're a

11:12

hypochondriac. And then you

11:12

finally he finally goes, Okay,

11:15

let's go order a MRI.

11:17

And then I have a brain tumor.

11:19

Yeah, but I thought it was hilarious with what you were telling me

11:21

earlier. And how she

11:23

Yes. So I

11:23

was telling Amanda before that.

11:28

So obviously, there's a brain

11:28

tumor. Right. And so the neuron,

11:31

the radiologist can't tell you

11:31

that. So they're like, you need

11:33

to go Dr. Jones, who called Dr.

11:33

Jones office, he as a result,

11:36

you need to go straight to his office. So

11:37

right after you had the scan. Oh,

11:39

yeah, I was

11:39

getting dressed. So and I knew,

11:42

and I'm gonna tell you this is

11:42

crazy. I was relieved to have an

11:46

answer. Oh, of course. My

11:46

parents, my fiance at the time.

11:52

They were crying. I was like,

11:52

Yes. Now I can do that, sir.

11:57

Because I had just been so

11:57

miserable for so long, that I

12:00

just, I had a path. I just

12:00

needed a path. And he was so we

12:03

go to the doctor, we walk in you

12:03

and your freaking timers. Keeps

12:09

me on track, man, get all my

12:09

stuff done in my life. Sorry for

12:13

the Well, we're

12:14

getting done with the podcast, and it's interrupting the podcast.

12:18

We weren't

12:18

gonna record to today. Anyway.

12:21

So I walk into the doctor's

12:21

office, and the receptionist

12:25

before I even get into the room

12:25

so the doctor can tell what's

12:27

going on. She grabs me and hugs

12:27

me and starts crying. Like, Oh,

12:30

no, I'm dead. In my mind, I'm

12:30

like, this is it. I am dying.

12:35

And there's something terrible.

12:35

And I'm dying. Anyway. Yeah,

12:38

that's was the story I was

12:38

telling Amanda before is people

12:40

just yeah, that was dumb on her

12:40

part. Well, because I didn't

12:44

even know the news. And here, he

12:44

knew the news.

12:47

That is

12:47

ridiculous. And this was

12:50

in 1994. I

12:50

mean, the ethics. So yeah, but I

12:56

think she felt bad because she

12:56

really had kind of treated me

12:59

poorly.

12:59

So it was a very good learning. mom knew her.

13:02

Well, who knows what she really knew. Common, uh, trying to think I'm

13:04

gonna trust and believe that she

13:07

knew that she had handled that

13:07

poorly. And was feeling bad. Oh,

13:10

my goodness. But yeah, I mean,

13:10

I'm 21 I'm engaged getting

13:12

married in like six weeks. Yeah.

13:12

And now this and I walk in and

13:16

she hugs me and she's crying

13:16

before I even like, okay, so

13:21

fast for now. And the hormone

13:21

thing. I mean, the hormones are

13:24

such a huge. goodness sakes. I

13:24

feel like the last maybe 510

13:28

years, this has become more of

13:28

a, an awareness thing with both

13:31

men and women, right? It's not

13:31

just women. Well, but it is

13:34

fascinating. The amount of people that don't have their hormones, checks and aren't

13:36

having the conversation. Like I

13:39

mentioned that they're like, Oh,

13:39

I never even thought of that. So

13:42

that's why I felt like it. Well,

13:42

we used to have the podcast and

13:44

share because there's nothing

13:44

wrong with you, man or woman. If

13:48

you go get your level shut down,

13:48

whether you're 2535 4555 if

13:53

you're not feeling 100% we get

13:53

to feel 100% like I want to feel

13:58

amazing. I if I if I'm working

13:58

out and eating all the right

14:01

things, and I'm trying to lose

14:01

weight. Nothing's working like

14:04

okay, what I'm the things off

14:04

like what off? And so I mean, I

14:08

just felt like even for me, I

14:08

know that my hematocrit levels

14:12

are high. What's the hematocrit

14:12

level? Yes, what is the

14:15

hematocrit level Good job. So

14:15

it's my blood is really thick.

14:20

So my blood runs really thick.

14:20

And it's how it travels. So when

14:22

it gets really high, guess what?

14:22

I feel sluggish. So I go donate

14:25

blood regularly, because I feel

14:25

like it's kind of like an oil

14:28

change. Because I donate blood

14:28

and I have more energy.

14:31

Yeah, that's how trauma says he hasn't done that for a while. So that's a

14:33

good reminder that

14:35

either but

14:35

that once my levels are high.

14:38

Now there's nothing wrong with

14:38

it being high. I mean, I think

14:40

46 is the high and I'm like 47

14:40

so it's not dangerous, but it's

14:44

just one of the things that I

14:44

know about my body. So besides

14:47

donating blood, water, I have to

14:47

drink lots of water. I drink

14:51

lots of lemon water. And I think

14:51

it's amazing to me because I

14:55

also am a health coach with the

14:55

program optavia and I don't do

14:59

that as much anymore. But you know, when you find something you like you're sure other

15:01

people. So I did that just

15:03

because if I'm teaching other

15:03

people then I'm holding myself

15:07

accountable. Right?

15:08

You had a practice which you bring water.

15:10

It blows my

15:10

mind, Amanda, how many people

15:12

don't like water first? Oh,

15:12

yeah, they don't like it. And he

15:16

has no flavor. And even people

15:16

that don't like that, do you

15:18

like it, they're like, I just

15:18

get busy. So I think just, if

15:24

you leave with nothing else

15:24

today, then drink water. And it

15:28

used to be, I think, half your

15:28

body weight in ounces. So if you

15:32

weigh 100 pounds, you should be

15:32

drinking 50 ounces of water a

15:35

day. But I really think the

15:35

number is just generally around

15:38

100 ounces. Even Don't you

15:38

think? Isn't that

15:41

what I think even hands on if you're trying to lose weight versus I drink?

15:43

Did I I drink too much water. So

15:48

I started this whole health,

15:48

whatever body program, and I get

15:51

my big old jug. And I think it's

15:51

120 ounces. No, maybe there's

15:56

only 112. But I was drinking. I

15:56

mean, I was really being really

16:00

good with my water intake. And

16:01

I'm like, I'm,

16:02

I'm freaking

16:02

doing this program, blah, blah,

16:04

blah. And I think day. Maybe it

16:04

was a weekend. I'm like,

16:08

something doesn't feel right.

16:08

And I had the thought, can you

16:11

drink too much water? Sure enough,

16:13

you can. You

16:13

can. But again, it's awareness

16:16

of listening to your body,

16:16

right? our internal guidance

16:18

system saying hey, I'm doing the

16:18

things you said. And I'm not.

16:21

I was

16:21

waterlogging. Myself, which kind

16:24

of makes me giggle a little.

16:26

Another thing too, that I've learned about me is I don't like salt,

16:27

generally, but your body needs

16:31

salt. How do you know like, I

16:31

just don't like it. So it's

16:34

amazing. So my doctor I, every

16:34

couple days sea salt, like

16:39

Redmen, sea salt, table salt,

16:39

sea salt, like just like, I know

16:43

it sounds to our weapon a little

16:43

bit in my palm of my hand and I

16:45

just look at like it. You're

16:45

like an animal or? Yes. Or I put

16:50

a little Himalayan salt in my

16:50

water bottle. Yeah. You know,

16:53

just because I'd much rather

16:53

look at it and get it over with.

16:57

So

16:57

I will say with

16:57

your colon however you do need

17:00

iodized salt. I don't know if

17:00

you know this. Oh, I didn't know

17:02

there's a difference between the

17:02

two. And it's been so long. But

17:05

I remember

17:06

you probably get enough of that just dinner. Don't you think?

17:09

Yes and no. So

17:09

just do your own research with

17:11

that. But salt. Yes.

17:13

Another

17:13

thing too is I am a big believer

17:16

that I like functional medicine

17:16

or bioidentical medicine. I

17:20

think that I love my family

17:20

doctors. And I think they have

17:22

their place. But from my

17:22

experience, like even when Kelly

17:25

had gout in his toe, like years

17:25

ago, we had gone to a family

17:28

doctor, and they didn't diagnose

17:28

it as gout. And he got in he was

17:32

in so much pain, we would end up

17:32

going to a foot doctor. Yeah, I

17:35

think you just need to go to a

17:35

specialist because we can't be.

17:38

We can't know all the things

17:38

sometimes. And so I encourage

17:42

women and men to go to try a

17:42

functional medicine doctor. And

17:47

that just means generally your

17:47

insurance isn't going to pay for

17:50

it first of all. And you know,

17:50

here's the ironic thing might my

17:53

hormone doctor that I started

17:53

going two years ago, he was on

17:56

insurance, and I loved him. Even

17:56

though he did more bioidentical

17:59

stuff. He was uninsurance. Well,

17:59

of course, we all know in this

18:02

day and age, insurances getting

18:02

more and more. Like they're just

18:06

really practicing medicine more

18:06

than the doctors. And so I quit

18:10

going to him because he stopped

18:10

taking insurance because I

18:12

didn't want to pay it. Yeah.

18:12

Well, that was a huge mistake

18:14

for me, because I really kind of

18:14

had to start all over. And then

18:18

I've been on this merry go round of trying to find the right doctor. So in my experience, all

18:20

of the best hormone doctors I

18:26

have been to over the last 20

18:26

years are not uninsurance you

18:30

pay out of pocket. But that's

18:30

worth it. I would imagine so

18:34

worth it. Yeah. And I applaud

18:34

them because they're not

18:38

allowing the insurance company

18:38

to practice medicine because

18:41

it's really not their place.

18:41

Right. And it I think that whole

18:44

system is upside down. But yeah,

18:44

I I've been to some great ones

18:49

over, you know, the years I even

18:49

had a pharmacist. So when I went

18:54

and picked up my prescriptions,

18:54

the pharmacist she offered like

18:58

a it was like a hormone

18:58

analysis. Oh, and because

19:02

pharmacists, they mean they're

19:02

dispersing the medication they

19:05

know a lot about and I think

19:05

what she was trying to tell me

19:08

was, there was some stuff that I was taking, that was a little contradicting each other. So I

19:10

paid her I think she was like

19:14

120 bucks. And I went and sat

19:14

down with her went through all

19:16

my meds. And it was fabulous.

19:16

Even though I was seeing the

19:19

doctor, I if those kind of

19:19

things pop up. I was like, I

19:23

understood the point where I

19:23

mean, I do this with self

19:26

empowerment and self improvement

19:26

anyway, I can never have enough

19:28

information, you're probably the

19:28

same way. So I'm like, Oh, I

19:31

will gladly meet with you. And

19:31

learn what you learn what you

19:35

can teach me. Yeah, about what I

19:35

don't know what I don't know. So

19:38

like she told me about iodine

19:38

and solanine for thyroid, which

19:42

I didn't really know that much

19:42

about. So I left there with a

19:45

little more knowledge than I had

19:45

before. So I liked that too.

19:50

That's super cool.

19:51

So you were talking a little bit about because I so I've, I've had

19:53

little touch of experiences with

19:58

hormones. I Way back when I used

19:58

to sell our bond, if anybody

20:02

knows our bond, and I would go

20:02

do the lectures on the whole

20:07

bioidentical hormones and how

20:07

it's like a key and the lock and

20:10

lalalala and the creams and then

20:10

when most people need photo for

20:15

whatever it is, it's been too

20:15

long. And then I had my hormones

20:19

checked and my testosterone low

20:19

was low. So they give me

20:21

testosterone, but then it makes

20:21

me break out and I'm like, screw

20:24

this. So I just I'm like, I'm,

20:24

I'm out. But I would have

20:28

friends over the years that like

20:28

the pellets, you were talking a

20:31

little bit about the

20:31

progesterone that they do in the

20:33

pelo. No tests on testosterone.

20:33

Anyway, so what was your

20:36

experience with the PAL as awful.

20:39

I don't know that it was the pellets that were the problem. It was the

20:40

facility I was going to they

20:43

were really pushing the limits.

20:43

Like they were trying to get

20:45

women up to like, between 150

20:45

and 190. Why? Because they just

20:50

felt like that's optimal for

20:50

women. So it took me a long time

20:54

to get there because my body was

20:54

really moving slow. So I had

20:57

gone in one time, they're like,

20:57

gosh, your body is really

20:59

resisting.

21:00

It is asking

21:00

the question of why is your body

21:03

resilient, but I'm

21:05

like, okay, you're the professional. I'm going in. We're doing bump this

21:06

up. And I'm an all in kind of

21:10

gal, right? I'm ready. Let's go.

21:10

Are they injecting him in your

21:13

bum? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So we go

21:13

she they give me these pellets

21:17

and Amanda. I was growing hair.

21:17

I pretty much had a beard. My

21:22

lady who does waxing she's like,

21:22

what's happening? You're super

21:25

hairy. And I'm like, feeling

21:25

great. I'm feeling great. My

21:28

libido. testosterones. My

21:28

energy. I felt great. Until I

21:36

went to donate blood. The nurses

21:36

really concerned she's like, Are

21:41

you feeling okay today, ma'am?

21:41

Like, yeah, sure. What? Where

21:44

have you been? Did you have a

21:44

stressful morning and I might

21:48

know, like, What's up with you?

21:48

I just want to have lunch with

21:50

the client running errands. My,

21:50

my, my life is stressful. But

21:54

everything's fine. But I was

21:54

like, Okay, I'm going to be

21:56

back. She brings back the charge

21:56

nurse and they're like, let me

22:00

take your blood pressure again.

22:00

And I'm like, what's wrong with

22:03

these? Let's get this I got

22:03

stuff to do. Let's move. I was

22:06

like, 180 over 140 my blood

22:06

pressure. She's like, we have to

22:11

defer you. We cannot take your

22:11

take your blood today. I'm like,

22:14

Okay, fine. I got stuff to do.

22:14

I'm out. I go back a week later.

22:18

I'm ready to donate blood do my

22:18

part. My medical levels are

22:21

high. Well, blah, blah. Ma'am.

22:21

Are you feeling okay? Today? I'm

22:25

like, What do you people, and my

22:25

heart rate was really high. It

22:29

can't be over 100 I was like,

22:29

120 Oh, wow. And so they I left?

22:33

they're terrified. So I called

22:33

my friend who's a nurse. And I'm

22:36

like, okay, I don't know much

22:36

about what I don't know. But I

22:39

know that stroke is a silent

22:39

killer and high blood pressure.

22:41

And she's like, Oh my gosh,

22:41

she's like, you better just go

22:44

to the doctor right now. So I

22:44

went to the family doctor. Now

22:47

mind you, I've been going to the

22:47

pellet doctor, right? They don't

22:50

really communicate much with the

22:50

doctors. They're not on the same

22:52

page with that. So I go in and

22:52

they're like, they run my blood.

22:56

They AKG like they're doing the

22:56

whole thing. Because I am Yeah.

23:00

Scary. And I'm not thinking

23:00

about testosterone because I'm

23:02

feeling pretty good. And other

23:02

than your doctors, like, your

23:07

testosterone is like 192 I'm

23:07

like it is right on, we've been

23:11

trying to get it. Like that is

23:11

too high. That is too high. And

23:16

so obviously I'm shaking my

23:16

head, like the family doctor

23:18

doesn't know what a doctor

23:18

knows. So I'm going to just

23:22

Okay, anyway, I love it. We're

23:22

going to talk about my

23:25

testosterone is everything else

23:25

was my heart, okay, and bla bla

23:28

bla. So after I left there, I

23:28

was like, Okay, what is changed,

23:32

the only thing that had changed

23:32

was the pellets. So I call the

23:35

pellet doctor, I'm not going to

23:35

share names. And they are like

23:39

telling me that that's not a side effect.

23:42

All of those things that you're experienced, okay.

23:45

So yeah, I

23:45

didn't stay there for very long.

23:49

And I feel like they almost

23:49

killed me, literally. So then I

23:52

started with a different doctor.

23:52

And he's like, yeah, that high

23:55

blood pressure is a side effect.

23:55

So I encourage you to again, I

23:59

should have your body, right. I

23:59

was just following because we

24:03

were really trying to get me

24:03

high. And I was feeling really

24:05

great energy. You know,

24:06

they're trying to get you high.

24:09

High on

24:09

testosterone, and he was not

24:11

complaining. My testosterone was

24:11

very happy. Yeah, so that got

24:18

really high. So then I moved to

24:18

creams, testosterone creams, and

24:22

I had this weird, so it's hard

24:22

to take you just forget, right?

24:27

It's at night before you go to bed. You're supposed to rub it like yeah, on the inside of your

24:28

wrists or wherever you are on

24:31

your inner thighs. And I had

24:31

just kind of forgotten. So the

24:34

prescription itself had just

24:34

expired. So I had started

24:39

getting a rash. I couldn't

24:39

figure out why I was getting

24:42

rash on the inside of my wrist.

24:42

Quickly realizing that's where

24:45

my testosterone goes. Yeah. So I

24:45

got a new prescription and it

24:49

was still happening and my body

24:49

was rejecting the testosterone.

24:52

So now I haven't been taking

24:52

testosterone for about a year

24:54

and a half. Oh, yeah. And so I

24:54

did my bloodwork yesterday with

24:58

a new doctor and they're like

24:58

your testosterone. So I'm like,

25:00

Yeah, well, that's Yeah. Because

25:00

you know, we don't even want to

25:05

go there. So she wanted me to do

25:05

shots or cream. And Amanda last

25:12

night I'm like, I don't I got to

25:12

fill into it to decide if you

25:16

want to go down this route down

25:16

this path again and what? So I

25:20

don't know what I'm going to do

25:20

with the testosterone. But

25:23

how the

25:23

testosterone when I told you

25:26

when I took it for an I did

25:26

supplement like a pill form as

25:29

supplement. I did not like it.

25:29

Like I don't give a shit. If my

25:33

libido was higher. I am breaking

25:33

out I have.

25:36

Here's the

25:36

crazy part. It's just low when

25:38

it gives me some energy. So but

25:38

there's other ways to get energy

25:41

like registerone. I am a fan of

25:41

taking progesterone it is it's

25:46

called the happy Yeah, the happy

25:46

pill. Yeah. And it does help you

25:49

sleep. But see right now I've

25:49

been taking sustained release

25:55

progesterone. And so at 10am.

25:55

Sometimes I'm kind of getting a

25:58

crash, which usually happens in

25:58

the afternoon, but it's

26:00

happening in the morning. So

26:00

this new doctors like well,

26:03

maybe this sustained release is

26:03

staying in your system a bit

26:07

longer, which is why you're

26:07

you're sleeping good. Right. But

26:11

But now you're really tired. So

26:11

we're going to move me to

26:13

immediate release progesterone,

26:13

again, it's just refining a tiny

26:16

Yeah, and just kind of testing

26:16

out what works and estrogen

26:19

master genes low. So we're going

26:19

to do something there. But I

26:22

think it's just like, so you

26:22

like this new doctor? I do like

26:26

this new doctor. Why?

26:28

How do they do things?

26:28

They'll do

26:28

they do? So you pay like a

26:31

yearly, like 1700 bucks for the

26:31

year. And then you pay for your

26:35

own labs. But she's texting me

26:35

like yesterday, she texts me all

26:40

day. Not all day. But after our

26:40

conversation, she texts me some

26:44

information, last few questions.

26:44

And I felt like the personal

26:47

touch is really important. Yeah,

26:47

no kidding. So you pay you you

26:50

sign a contract for the first

26:50

year. And then after that you

26:52

don't have to you just pay

26:52

monthly, but I think they really

26:55

dial it in and they really want

26:55

to know what's going on. So I

26:59

think I told you I started on

26:59

this other program. It's plant

27:02

based medicine.

27:05

And it's all

27:05

about gut health. Because on

27:08

this journey, so not hormones,

27:08

we're talking. And I'm going to

27:12

ask you, what's the name of it?

27:12

Because I know you're hesitant

27:14

to say it, but what is it?

27:15

Well, the

27:15

name of it is plexus. Okay. So

27:17

people have probably heard of

27:17

Dr. Kagan. So I started doing

27:21

the pink drink. And I so back up

27:21

a little bit. I just know, I do

27:29

know that your gut health, it's

27:29

like, your gut is like your

27:31

center biome is right, like your

27:31

inflammation. I mean, 90% of

27:35

that is like,

27:36

well, if you're if your gut health is in check, you can't absorb nutrients.

27:40

For sure it

27:40

will be yesterday to this has

27:43

never been done on a blood test,

27:43

which is another reason why I

27:45

like this doctor. My body's not

27:45

absorbing B, vitamin D. So that

27:50

could be another reason why it

27:50

may be I am feeling a little

27:53

tired. Yeah. So again, we're

27:53

just dialing it in, like I'm

27:56

fine tuning like, I want to feel

27:56

amazing. And I told the doctor

27:59

that she knew my goals going in

27:59

what they were and so it's just

28:03

kind of dialing that in a little

28:03

bit, right? She's like, yeah,

28:06

your body's not absorbing. And

28:06

here's the other thing, I

28:10

highly, highly encourage women

28:10

to take 10,000 I use a vitamin

28:14

D,

28:14

especially I

28:14

take vitamin D every day,

28:16

but my vitamin D is always been high. And I just recently changed

28:18

brands for whatever reason.

28:21

Yeah, and my vitamin D is low.

28:21

Oh, is that so it's good to go,

28:25

I need to go back on the brand

28:25

that I was at before. So again,

28:27

it's just dialing in what I

28:27

need. So my, my B vitamins, my

28:31

body's not absorbing them. And

28:31

my D vitamin, I shouldn't have

28:35

changed brands. So it's these

28:35

little things that I just need

28:38

to change up so that I can want

28:38

to feeling amazing.

28:41

And I feel like

28:41

too, one of the things that's

28:44

been helpful for me because my

28:44

husband has Lyme disease. So he

28:47

went through this whole

28:47

protocol, he has his pills that

28:51

he takes every day. It's his

28:51

cocktail that he takes every

28:53

day, and he was taking niacin,

28:53

and one day he freaks out

28:57

because his whole body if you

28:57

don't think about nice, and it

28:59

opens up the blood capillaries,

28:59

and he had a full head to toe

29:04

rash, like his face was bright

29:04

red. I mean, it was freaky, not

29:08

knowing that that's what he had

29:08

an had too much niacin in his

29:11

body. And like anything that we

29:11

take, it can build up. And so I

29:15

feel like I really lean on

29:15

muscle testing. Yeah, so I will

29:18

muscle test every day. And if

29:18

you don't know how to muscle

29:21

test, you can Google it and you

29:21

can do all sorts of things. And

29:23

I do the rocking version, I'll

29:23

stand and I'll connect you know

29:26

when I do my thing, and I'll

29:26

actually go with my hand through

29:28

my vitamins and I'll muscle test

29:28

and it's like okay, oh, I don't

29:31

need anything today. Great. I do

29:31

need this great. And that's not

29:34

necessarily the case with with

29:34

hormones, but I feel like in

29:38

general, vitamin D. Vitamin D is

29:38

just great for overall immunity

29:42

like you know, with with

29:42

everything that's happening

29:44

in natural anti depressant too, especially in Utah, where in the winter you

29:46

have any sun. Yep,

29:49

yeah, so that's

29:49

just something for me that I

29:52

feel like has been really

29:52

helpful over the years so that

29:54

we don't have that buildup

29:54

because sometimes and we go our

29:56

bodies cycle naturally with a

29:56

uterus or without a uterus. Go

30:01

through, go through cycles,

30:04

right? So I

30:04

am a big believer in vitamin D.

30:07

Salt. I was talking about gut

30:07

health. I think the inflammation

30:10

is a big deal too. Oh, yeah.

30:10

Lyme disease and you know, any

30:13

kind of inflammation like, I was

30:13

talking to a friend the other

30:16

day, and she'd never even heard

30:16

of like candida overgrowth. Oh,

30:19

what? So I think she'd been

30:19

living under a rock. Yeah. So I

30:23

was kind of shocked by that. So

30:23

that's another reason why I was

30:25

like, we really need to talk

30:25

about hormones. And people need

30:29

to understand that your gut

30:29

really is like, such an

30:32

important part of, well, it's a

30:32

big part of health, self care to

30:36

really like, it's not just

30:36

taking a bath, or

30:40

you know what, let's talk about bass for a minute. I know this is gonna

30:42

sound weird, this is probably

30:44

going to be more of a women, if

30:44

you're a man, I'm apologizing in

30:47

advance for the conversation I'm

30:47

about to have. But after I went

30:50

through my hysterectomy, you

30:50

know, you have to go however

30:53

many weeks that having sex and

30:53

and then you know, you start

30:56

having sex and I start bleeding

30:56

again. And which freaks me out.

31:00

So I go in, and I have a yeast

31:00

infection, I never get yeast

31:03

infections. While throughout the

31:03

I mean, I used to way back when

31:07

I don't know if any of you know

31:07

this, but if you take bands that

31:10

have different kinds of either

31:10

oils, or any kind of give you

31:14

two big time, and I am a bath

31:14

lover, so I always have to be

31:17

very careful with what I put in.

31:17

In my bath. I'm just always

31:20

aware of that same thing with my

31:20

body wash. I have unscented

31:24

stuff when I for my body wash so

31:24

that I'm not putting whatever

31:28

you know, and creating any quite

31:28

an imbalance because that's

31:31

part. It's that whole biome in

31:31

general with all that area down

31:34

there. And apple cider vinegar

31:34

is something that's really

31:38

really good. If you do start getting ill burned like a mother, when you start getting

31:40

something going on down there

31:43

that you can actually put like

31:43

on a cotton swab. And apple

31:46

cider vinegar is also really

31:46

good for rashes and things like

31:50

that just produce digests.

31:52

And although it takes you can get it in a capsule though, too, but they do

31:54

say don't chug it straight

31:56

because it's bad for your teeth.

31:56

You should mix it with water and

31:59

yeah, they should brush your

31:59

teeth right after head check.

32:01

Another thing too if you get

32:01

yeast infections, like maybe

32:03

you're maybe you're taking too

32:03

much of a probiotic. Ah, yeah,

32:07

that to

32:07

see this, and this is what gets I think sometimes we get really I know

32:09

for me, you get so tired,

32:13

because it's like I'm either

32:13

over I'm under and trying to

32:16

figure out that happy medium.

32:16

And this is where this is why I

32:19

like muscle testing. Like, okay,

32:19

something's off or let me just

32:23

feel what what needs to be taken

32:23

today. Like I see TMI. I feel

32:27

like I'm getting a yeast infection. I'm like, I'm not eating sugar right now. And I'm

32:29

not so I got to figure out

32:32

what's going on. But it's just

32:32

all the little things that we're

32:36

constantly doing the same

32:36

balance, for sure. For sure. I

32:40

mean, even

32:40

let's just talk about pooping. I

32:42

really think you should put at

32:42

least once a day, at least once

32:45

a day, two to three times a day.

32:45

If you're really and the way

32:49

your poop is. And you know

32:49

people I'm just gonna say

32:54

diarrhea is a form of

32:54

constipation. Yes, people are

32:57

like, Oh, I'm not. I'm good. I

32:57

mostly have diarrhea. No, that's

33:00

a probe that is a problem. That

33:00

is a form of conservation in

33:03

some fiber. Yeah, fiber, ginger.

33:03

I mean, I'm also like a doTERRA

33:08

wrist as people would say I love

33:08

doTERRA oils. That's my there's

33:11

lots of oils. I choose doTERRA

33:11

so I like digestion. Yeah,

33:15

peppermint. Yeah. I mean

33:15

digestion is just unique to

33:20

doTERRA but I know that like

33:20

peppermint, lavender, cinnamon

33:24

all those are really digging

33:26

the oils from

33:26

Holly always tout them all the

33:30

purify I really like their oils.

33:30

There's something very unique

33:34

and a little higher potency and

33:34

then they have and so I've

33:37

started transitioning over to

33:37

their oil so nice.

33:40

Yeah, I think that those are oils in and of themselves are great.

33:42

Magnesium Yep. is important for

33:48

just like regular bowels.

33:48

Another also will help mag.

33:53

migraines. Magnesium well,

33:53

interesting. Okay, yeah, I

33:59

didn't know that. I know a

33:59

friend who takes aloe and that

34:01

keeps her oh yeah do you

34:01

regulate that? dry brushing

34:05

yes I dry brush every day. I bought

34:07

my girls dry

34:07

brushing for like Christmas and

34:10

a stocking stuffer they're like

34:10

what is this like? Well, I know

34:13

I have this brush good for your

34:13

dream But yeah, it's good for

34:16

like your lymphatic lymphatic

34:16

system and renal. So I women

34:20

that I've never really known

34:20

about drybrushing that's only

34:23

something I've learned the last

34:23

few years. Yeah, but drybrushing

34:26

before you get in the shower and

34:26

just keep that circulation. Good

34:29

for cellulite to Yes. least

34:29

that's what I've been told. You

34:34

know, they say grapefruit oil is

34:34

good for cellulite tonight in

34:37

your bath. Yeah. So that'd be

34:37

good. I just know that

34:41

supplements are important too,

34:41

because I don't know that we

34:43

really can get all the vitamins

34:43

we need from our food, as well

34:46

as the way food sources of

34:48

you're not

34:48

buying organic and then that I

34:50

100% agree.

34:51

Well, sometimes even organic depending on where I'm getting it from.

34:53

you'll wonder to like, I don't

34:57

know, I mean, look at chicken.

34:57

Organic, I'm pretty sure a

35:01

chicken that's the size of this

35:01

piece of paper, a chicken

35:04

breast. There's something going

35:04

in there. That's not organic,

35:07

right? You're like, yeah, so I

35:07

just think that now you're

35:10

getting your organic chicken

35:10

from that, that I want to know,

35:13

because dairy has hormones to,

35:13

in in me also my animals. Yeah,

35:18

so then you're taking on

35:18

hormones from other and I'm a

35:21

meat eater, trust me, I'm not

35:21

saying don't eat meat. I just

35:24

think it's knowledge. Right, right.

35:26

information.

35:26

And everyone is wired really

35:29

differently. It's funny because

35:29

I just I had my hair done this

35:31

morning. So I just had this conversation with my hairstylist. And because her her

35:32

she's been paying attention, and

35:36

she's like, it's so weird lately, I'm just getting the different pings. Like it felt

35:38

like to stop eating so much

35:41

beans. So we just talk she's

35:41

trying to get pregnant, too. And

35:45

so she's just been a lot more

35:45

intuitive with with what our

35:47

body's asking. And so we started

35:47

having a conversation about this

35:51

exact thing. Well, when you eat

35:51

another animal or dairy, you're

35:54

consuming their hormones. And

35:54

actually, I mean, we I used to

35:59

be vegan, so we could have a

35:59

whole conversation.

36:01

Do you don't know that? And I didn't know that. Yeah,

36:03

that's, that's

36:03

a long, but the reason why I'll

36:06

say this part. Um, when my dad

36:06

passed away, there was a

36:10

cluster, a here in Alpine that

36:10

had a people that had died

36:13

around the same time, and just

36:13

really bizarre. So I started

36:16

doing research on it. And one of

36:16

the books that I read was called

36:18

The China Study. And all just

36:18

very, very, very, this is a huge

36:23

book, very condensed version,

36:23

essentially, the scientists

36:26

could control cancer in mice,

36:26

depending on how much animal

36:30

protein they were being given.

36:30

And I think it was less I can't

36:35

remember the percentage, I'm not

36:35

gonna say what it is because I

36:37

don't remember what it was. But

36:37

it's definitely not what we are

36:40

doing now. like ours is on the

36:40

very high, high end. So yeah,

36:45

that was fascinating. And he

36:45

could if, if a rat or a mouse

36:49

had cancer, he could eradicate

36:49

it by decreasing the animal

36:52

protein that they were

36:52

consuming. Wow. Yeah, so that's

36:56

partly that and skinny bitch and

36:56

is all about vegan. Like, I just

37:00

was diving into these books. And

37:00

it's like, that resonated with

37:03

me and, and then I got pregnant

37:03

and I craved beef.

37:08

Funny sound

37:08

like, spoiled with our beef,

37:10

because ours is all like

37:10

organic, literally, like we get

37:12

it from our friend who raises

37:12

cows. I mean, these, these cows

37:17

live the life like they're,

37:17

they're living the life, you

37:20

know, they're grass fed or not

37:20

tortured at all, like, so we we

37:24

do you eat a lot of meat,

37:24

because but I love chicken too.

37:27

You know, I had

37:27

I tested positive for an allergy

37:30

to chicken. I wanted. I mean, it

37:30

was probably a couple years ago.

37:33

And what I've noticed with my

37:33

body, and this is the same for

37:37

anybody. If we're constantly

37:37

eating eggs every single day for

37:41

a whole year, our body will

37:41

eventually start saying Hey,

37:43

could you stop doing that? Yeah.

37:43

And will, it just won't, it's

37:47

not in alignment for anymore.

37:47

And so this is the thing that

37:50

you know, having like, I'm just

37:50

gonna quote little Mormon

37:54

scripture here for a minute, but

37:54

you know, eat food in this this

37:56

season. They're up kind of

37:56

thing. I do think this is where

37:59

we intuitive eating and being

37:59

attentive to what our bodies are

38:02

asking for needing. I think it's

38:02

important. Oh, for sure. I

38:05

mean, my uncle, he would have a piece of bacon and egg and steak like

38:07

every day of his life. And his

38:10

heart. I mean, he was fine. My

38:10

dad on the other hand, like he

38:14

eats, he's the cleanest eating

38:14

guy, but like his cholesterol

38:17

and all that gets high. So it's

38:17

so interesting. So we can eat

38:22

the same thing and have a

38:22

totally different experience.

38:24

Yeah, there was the thing about this oldest, the oldest lady, I can't remember

38:26

how old she was talking about

38:29

her way of living. She smoked

38:29

until she was a she, you know,

38:33

and it's always so mind

38:33

boggling. But again, this just

38:35

goes back to the uniqueness of

38:35

who we are and, and knowing your

38:39

body, right?

38:40

Yeah, what your body likes and doesn't like, you know,

38:42

and I feel like I'm gonna offer this in here. I feel for me, I'm currently doing

38:44

a body program. And that's about

38:48

mastering mastering the body

38:48

because like I studied, I was

38:52

going into holistic nutrition. I

38:52

was really really into cleansing

38:56

twice a year like I was really

38:56

healthy. And then when I went

39:00

through my divorce and running a

39:00

business like that just kind of

39:02

went out the window. And it had

39:02

been so long that it's like now

39:06

we have all the carnivore

39:06

whatever all the Paleo diets in

39:11

the Mediterranean and this

39:11

feeling keto and all the things

39:15

and it was like I didn't, I got

39:15

to a point where I would I knew

39:18

I needed to lose weight because

39:18

I had put on more weight than I

39:20

had been in a long time and I

39:20

didn't know where to start.

39:24

Yeah, because there was so much

39:24

information out there that this

39:27

is why I ended up doing

39:27

ultimately I ended up doing this

39:30

program with Michelle but that

39:30

and I'm like ready to master

39:33

this this part. So it was good

39:33

to be it's been good to be on a

39:36

regimen and then it's like I'll

39:36

shift back into doing intuitive

39:40

eating when I'm back at we're

39:40

you know, kind of more of that

39:43

neutral point to where it's like

39:43

okay, then I can feel into it.

39:46

But when for

39:46

me like I agree with you, I'm at

39:48

this point where I'm like, Okay,

39:48

what is what is next for me

39:50

here, right and although optive

39:50

e is great, and I lost weight on

39:53

optavia I still feel like it

39:53

goes back to gut health and

39:56

inflammation and there's

39:56

something more and so I had

39:59

heard about the pain Don't

39:59

drink. And, and I hesitated even

40:03

share the name of the game

40:03

because you know, I'm a

40:05

distributor for them now, right,

40:05

obviously because it's working

40:07

for me. Yeah. I mean, I can't

40:07

even tell you like the

40:09

inflammation in my face. I told you

40:11

I saw there, I'm like, Hey, you look like you lost weight. And it's just in a

40:13

few days, I increase some of the

40:18

evening stuff that has high

40:18

omega fat omega threes. And I'm

40:22

like, wow, I can feel like my

40:22

love handles my stomach, my

40:27

face, like the bloating, the

40:27

swelling, I can already tell a

40:30

difference and it hasn't even been a week. So I don't know much about it. So you know what

40:32

we are gonna post let's post the

40:35

website, just put your freakin

40:35

link and nobody's gonna care.

40:38

Here's the thing about direct

40:38

sales companies, Utah's been

40:40

inundated with direct sell. So a

40:40

lot of times the MLM we get

40:44

turned off by it. When I had my

40:44

clothing business and I was

40:47

shifting into I really wanted to

40:47

create, we were rebranding,

40:51

retooling some things we were

40:51

going into self love and self

40:54

empowerment, doing affirmations

40:54

on the inside of that clothing.

40:57

And I knew, I knew that it got

40:57

to be a direct sales company,

41:01

which was challenging for me to

41:01

digest. But if I want to create

41:05

an environment where I'm

41:05

empowering people, not just

41:07

through my product, but actually

41:07

empowering them to have a better

41:09

way of living, why would I not

41:09

do it through an MLM they get

41:14

just

41:14

Well, if I

41:14

like something, and I tell you

41:16

that I bought at a target.

41:16

That's fine, right? So what's

41:19

the difference? If I like

41:19

something, and I'm a distributor

41:21

for this company? Yeah. And your

41:21

friend might make about I think

41:24

buying I mean,

41:24

I think part of the tainted ness

41:27

is the the pushiness of some

41:27

people that do MLM I invite

41:30

you over for a barbecue and then all of a sudden, I'm giving a family join

41:32

my business, you're not gonna be

41:35

very happy.

41:36

Is it just my

41:36

or I am getting approached by so

41:39

many people on social media. Oh,

41:39

you are? Oh my god. I'm like,

41:42

okay,

41:43

I haven't been having that experience.

41:45

But um, anyway,

41:45

so I just wanted to I know

41:47

you're hesitant to share it just because I think there's a negative Well, yeah, I don't

41:49

want people to think I'm sharing

41:51

this, we decided to talk about

41:51

hormones because of, it's not

41:54

that just because you are not

41:54

that personality, nobody's gonna

41:58

think that. We're just going to

41:58

post your link, because this is

42:01

something that, you know, I'll

42:01

probably go grab some if this

42:03

really works. And while I'm on it,

42:05

I will I

42:05

have my friend who had kind of

42:07

told me about it. She was

42:07

scheduled to have thyroid

42:10

surgery. She had hypothyroidism.

42:10

Her levels were out of whack.

42:14

She had she was diagnosed with

42:14

graves disease. This was not

42:17

even a few months ago. Yeah, she

42:17

was scheduled to have surgery on

42:19

August 17. And she started this

42:19

regimen in February Oh, really,

42:24

just because of her own gut

42:24

health and had nothing to do

42:26

with what she thought was

42:26

thyroid. So the doctor, she goes

42:29

into get her bloodwork the day

42:29

before her surgery, right? Like

42:32

you normally do, right? The

42:32

doctor calls and says, What have

42:35

you been doing? We're canceling

42:35

your thyroid surgery. Are you

42:39

kidding? And you no longer have

42:39

graves disease? why she's like,

42:43

what? And so he's like, I don't

42:43

know what you've been doing. But

42:47

whatever you're doing your

42:47

thyroid levels are amazing. And

42:50

it's working for you. So what's

42:52

his What's in it? What is it?

42:56

I don't know, I'm still learning, I don't know

42:58

all the things.

42:58

So at some cocktail that helps

43:00

with the biome with with

43:00

inflammation, okay, because

43:04

inflammation actually, if you do

43:04

any kind of research on any

43:07

disease, inflammation is the

43:07

number one. If you have

43:10

inflammation, it is a breeding

43:10

ground for any disease, for

43:15

sure. And I don't know why this

43:15

keeps coming. So I'm just going

43:18

to share it

43:18

because your

43:18

digestion is like so important.

43:20

Well, and if you're not able to digest certain things, and your body is

43:22

working on the inflammation, I

43:25

mean, this can go into the whole

43:25

alkalized water versus I mean,

43:29

there's so many different things

43:29

out there. And if you ever Are

43:32

you someone I'm just gonna put

43:32

this out there. Have you ever

43:35

when it rains and you can smell

43:35

the minerals on the road and you

43:39

like it, you it you crave it.

43:39

Have you ever done that? Oh, I

43:42

used to all the time. I learned

43:42

it's because you're low in

43:45

minerals. Interesting. Yeah. And

43:45

I'm like I would all this smell

43:50

even I love sagebrush in the rain, but I've never not sagebrush it is it's the rocks

43:52

and like the concrete the

43:56

sidewalk really I remember as a

43:56

kid like saying to my friend

44:00

after it was a summer storm, and

44:00

I'm like, Oh my gosh, I just I

44:02

want to lick the sidewalk. Like

44:02

whatever that smell is I wanted

44:06

in my body. I know that's so

44:06

weird. But it there are people

44:10

that would would voice what I'm

44:10

saying go Yes.

44:14

If you need minerals. I've never shared a lot of minerals. Amanda knows.

44:16

Well, you mentioned Lyme

44:18

disease, too. In one of the

44:18

videos that the upline does, she

44:22

talks about how Lyme disease

44:22

right, that's it. I'm

44:25

getting on on buying the stuff right now I'm sold.

44:28

Here's something else too. You had talked about stress before, like

44:30

with your business and stuff. I

44:33

think stress levels is such an

44:33

important part of our hormones,

44:36

because 100% I mean, there was

44:36

one doctor that I'd gone to for

44:39

years and he he had a sheet that

44:39

you'd fill out every time and

44:42

you'd ask about how you're

44:42

sleeping, which let's just talk

44:45

about that for a second. Sleep

44:45

is so critical. You could be

44:48

doing eating all the right

44:48

foods, doing all the exercise

44:50

thing. But if you're not eating

44:50

a good restful sleep to at least

44:55

six to eight hours a night, I

44:55

think you're doing yourself a

44:57

disservice. So side note, but

44:57

anyway at the bottom He would

45:00

put on a scale from one to 10.

45:00

What's your stress level? And

45:02

every single time I would put 10

45:02

Plus, Oh, are you serious?

45:05

Because that's just my wife at

45:05

the time raising five kids and

45:08

we had gone through, you know,

45:08

in the business and sorry much,

45:14

but I wasn't. It wasn't I didn't

45:14

think it was a bad thing. That

45:18

was just my life. Yeah. And he

45:18

was just like, we got to get

45:21

this number. I'm like, it's

45:21

fine. He's like, it's not fine.

45:24

If exactly everything. So you

45:24

gotta, you know, are you lacking

45:29

fun? I'm like, No, I'm, I'm

45:29

always busy. So maybe just the

45:32

buisiness I felt like, maybe I

45:32

was equating busy with

45:35

stressful. So I think, but he

45:35

really helped me kind of like,

45:39

Okay, you got to find a release.

45:39

If you are feeling that stress

45:42

all the time. Like, what are you

45:42

doing? to like, find that

45:45

release? Yeah. So I encourage

45:45

people to like really ask

45:49

themselves, what is your stress

45:49

level on a one to 10? Well, you

45:51

know, how can you How can you

45:51

adjust it? How can you turn down

45:54

the volume on one thing? And are

45:54

you really like what can you

45:58

delegate to someone else? What

45:58

can you ask for help with? No,

46:01

what can you really like let go?

46:03

Well, if you're

46:03

asking your your inner body,

46:06

your cells, your hormones,

46:06

everything to be in balance,

46:10

then your outer self that out

46:10

what's happening in your outer

46:13

environment, work, kids,

46:13

whatever needs to also be in

46:16

balance, because like attracts,

46:16

like, the inside attract, you

46:20

know, is reflective of the

46:20

outside and vice versa. So if

46:23

you're trying to have balance on

46:23

the inside, you need to have

46:26

balance on the outside.

46:27

For sure.

46:27

For sure. I believe that is so

46:30

true. And that comes like self

46:30

love. You know, like I said

46:33

about eating well, but are you

46:33

exercising like are you showing

46:36

up for yourself? You're

46:37

drinking water could be a form of self love, and compassion and grace for

46:39

yourself like you would your best friend. And the

46:41

consistency. I feel like that is

46:44

something that before he said,

46:44

yes, this program, I knew that

46:46

if I was gonna say, Yes, I had

46:46

to be all in like, there was no

46:49

I knew that. And the consistency

46:49

of Can I show up for myself

46:53

every day, even though I don't

46:53

feel like it. And like that,

46:57

that is a form of self level. A

46:57

lot of times we I, especially

47:03

with eating like, Oh, well, I

47:03

had a really hard day. So I'm

47:06

I'm going to reward myself with

47:06

nachos tonight. And that felt

47:09

like self love. And in reality,

47:09

that was for the short term that

47:12

made me feel really good in the

47:12

moment because I really liked I

47:14

love nachos. Well, Joe's but not

47:14

not even 10 minutes, but a week

47:19

or a month, like is that

47:19

accomplishing what I want in the

47:21

long run? And you know, and

47:21

those are the questions that I

47:24

started asking. Okay, yeah, I'm

47:24

tired right now. But if I'm

47:28

wanting to get here, is this am

47:28

I showing up for myself right

47:32

now?

47:33

Well, that

47:33

kind of goes back to all of this

47:35

is great. But what is your WHY?

47:35

Right? Like it is all about

47:38

mindset. Yeah, there's one thing

47:38

I really liked about Octavia and

47:41

I still do is it's all about the

47:41

trilogy, mind body soul. It's

47:44

not just about what you're

47:44

putting in your body, like I can

47:46

give you the right things to eat

47:46

great. Yeah, but is your mindset

47:49

there. And they have tons of

47:49

mindset coaching and teaching,

47:52

which is totally in line with

47:52

who I am, right, which is why I

47:55

was drawn to the program. But I

47:55

think that's my favorite thing

47:58

is all about your way. So like

47:58

the doctor asked me this new

48:02

Doctor, tell me what your goals

48:02

are. What's your Why? Why are

48:05

you here? Why are you here? And what are you looking to do? Right? And for me it was I want

48:07

to lose some weight. And most

48:11

importantly, I want to I want to

48:11

feel amazing. I feel good. I

48:15

feel probably like a seven or

48:15

eight. I want to feel like a 20

48:18

while and really at the end of the day. I think everyone can echo. We

48:20

really are here to experience

48:24

the honest the amazingness that

48:24

whatever of everything that we

48:28

can be will to

48:29

live full

48:29

out right out full lifeforce

48:31

energy like me. I want that guy

48:31

and I'm not afraid to shut that

48:35

from the rooftop. Yeah. And say

48:35

i want i want i want it I want

48:38

amazing and wonderful no can

48:38

sexy and yes, excited to put to

48:43

buy that pair of pants or to get

48:43

dressed for the day. Because how

48:46

many times I know for me, I

48:46

don't even want to go to this

48:50

event because I don't know what

48:50

I'm going to wear. And maybe

48:53

that's not a weight thing or

48:53

don't feel good.

48:56

Oh, no, I can't

48:56

tell you how many times I'd be

48:58

laying on my floor in my closet.

48:58

Like, I'm not going. I don't

49:01

know what to wear. I don't feel

49:01

good in anything. Or Lola.

49:04

Although the next day I could

49:04

feel totally fine. That's what's

49:06

funny. The mindset, it's her

49:06

mindset. She's so crazy. I feel

49:10

like that's the same thing with

49:10

with Michelle. Like, this is why

49:13

I love her program. It's it's

49:13

not just the body. It's so much

49:17

more than the body. For sure.

49:19

Well, in that pleasure. It releases oxytocin also. Right. So finding

49:20

pleasure, joy, you are feeling

49:24

stressed.

49:25

Yeah. And laughter What? Yes.

49:27

It's so important. Yeah. Because that does release endorphins. I mean,

49:29

what is that movie Legally

49:33

Blonde? When she says endorphins

49:33

make you happy? Because she

49:39

remember exercising endorphins

49:39

make you happy and happy women

49:42

don't kill their husbands. Oh,

49:45

I have not watched that movie forever. That's hilarious.

49:47

Yeah, there's that little anyway, I just thought about that. But

49:49

there's also another thing that

49:51

I have found to be really

49:51

critical for my gut health is

49:55

trying not to eat three hours

49:55

before I go to bed. Yeah,

49:58

because when you're resting,

49:58

you're sleeping. You're Got is

50:00

doing one of two things. It's

50:00

either healing or it's

50:02

digesting. So if you eat late,

50:02

because I know lots women that

50:06

eat late, like, there's just

50:06

your body's not getting good

50:09

rest. And I think that's just

50:09

and that kind of leads me to

50:12

intermittent fasting, which I

50:12

don't know much about. But I

50:15

have kind of started playing

50:15

with it a little bit where I try

50:18

not to eat. I fast for what, 16

50:18

to 18 hours.

50:23

I mean, some people will start with 12 and then move up. I did that for a

50:25

little while. I don't do well on

50:27

it. I have to eat every three

50:27

hours. Yeah, my body does better

50:31

that way, which I was thinking

50:31

the other day, because I have an

50:33

grandbaby. And she was going out

50:33

to eat, I should say, anyway,

50:38

she's going out to feed her.

50:38

She's like, I'm trying to go

50:40

three hours, but she's about two

50:40

and a half right now. And I was

50:43

thinking, you know, we come to

50:43

this world, and we eat every

50:46

three hours. You know what I

50:46

mean? And it's like, well, it

50:50

kind of makes sense that a lot

50:50

of us are still Hey, my body

50:53

actually does better if I eat

50:53

every three hours, smaller

50:56

meals, you know, throughout the

50:56

day. Oh, yeah. I'm just

50:59

eat five,

50:59

six meals a day, every two to

51:01

three hours. Yeah. Yeah. So so

51:01

and that works, too, because

51:06

your metabolism. So it really is

51:06

just about what works for you.

51:10

And that kind of goes back to

51:10

routine, right? Whether you have

51:12

a morning routine, or a night

51:12

routine and figuring out what

51:16

works for you. Yeah. And making

51:16

sure that you're Yeah, paying

51:19

attention to what your body

51:19

needs. Mm hmm. A couple things

51:25

that I that they had kind of

51:25

shared with me when I saw the

51:28

doctor yesterday. And I just

51:28

felt like these are things that

51:32

you help you age too fast.

51:32

Right? obesity, we already

51:35

talked about that heart disease.

51:35

For me, I mean, whenever it's

51:39

interesting, like high blood pressure is when it's interesting, though. When I when

51:41

my blood pressure's high, I know

51:46

that I gained a little bit of

51:46

weight. Oh, that's just an

51:49

indicator for me. That because I

51:49

checked my blood pressure,

51:53

especially after that episode of

51:53

the testosterone. Yeah, I check

51:55

it every once in a while. And

51:55

it's interesting, it's higher

51:58

when I have a little extra

51:58

weight. And so that is just a

52:01

reason for me. So the Y might be

52:01

to lose weight, but really my

52:05

wife, my heart health, right?

52:05

Because my heart's working

52:08

harder now. And I don't want to

52:08

have to work that hard. So

52:12

that's really a good indicator

52:12

of my why. So when I checked my

52:16

blood pressure, it's kind of a

52:16

reset for me that, okay, the y

52:19

is, yeah, I want to get in the

52:19

pair of pants. But I really want

52:22

my heart health.

52:23

I think that's what finally kind of pushed me over I was going through. And

52:25

I'd always I've always been the

52:30

set my usual weight for years

52:30

and years and years, until

52:33

probably the last five, six

52:33

years. Now granted, I've gone

52:37

You know, like all of us, I've

52:37

had some trauma and my body's

52:39

reacting because of it. Usually,

52:39

our body will store extra fat

52:43

because it's layer protection

52:43

for whatever the reason is, and

52:48

I I've had issues with my heart

52:48

here and there. And I was going

52:52

through it was right after my

52:52

surgery with my hysterectomy.

52:54

And I end up seeing a

52:54

cardiologist because I'm like

52:57

something's not right. And I

52:57

have a hole in my heart, which

53:01

is fairly common, but most

53:01

people aren't aware of it,

53:04

they're the two ventricles

53:04

actually will have when you're

53:07

in utero will have an opening.

53:07

And then before it right before

53:12

you're born, it closes but not

53:12

everybody's closes. So what

53:15

happens they'll do a bubble test

53:15

where the bubble shouldn't go

53:18

into the other side of the

53:18

heart. And like mine, there's

53:21

tons of bubbles going through.

53:21

And so years ago, I knew about

53:25

this because my migraines I have

53:25

lesions on the brain, this is a

53:28

whole long thing. This is how

53:28

they found it because they think

53:30

there's blood clots that are

53:30

going through the heart and then

53:33

going up to the brain and

53:33

they're just having different

53:35

things. And I went and got on

53:35

the scale and like harsh shit,

53:38

you know, just looking at I'm

53:38

probably 1520 pounds heavier

53:41

than I've been most of my life.

53:41

And my dad, you know, he's like,

53:45

so what are you doing for like

53:45

exercise and, and I was doing

53:49

some things, but not super

53:49

consistent. And that too, it was

53:52

just this I can't go, you know,

53:52

putting band aids on what the

53:56

real problem is, is I'm overall

53:56

not healthy. It's like it's time

53:59

to get time to get my ass in

53:59

gear

54:02

like this.

54:02

As a mom, I know my experience

54:05

and right and running a company.

54:05

I was not first on the list. I

54:09

was taking care of everyone but

54:09

me. Yeah. And that's a lame

54:12

excuse. I know. But it is that

54:12

something happened all of a

54:15

sudden. Yeah. It's funny that

54:15

you say that because I started a

54:18

cardiologist in like, 2016 17.

54:18

And he says to me, you'll be the

54:24

youngest healthiest person I

54:24

will see all year. Yeah, let's

54:27

not get you. And he and it was

54:27

hard for me to hear. But he

54:30

said, If you lose 50 pounds, we

54:30

won't see you again. And that

54:36

was shocking for me. But I had

54:36

had that little bit of heart

54:40

stuff. And it's like, oh my

54:40

gosh, how humiliating. How?

54:43

Because I feel like it's such a

54:43

successful, strong person. And

54:47

yet how did I allow that to

54:47

happen to myself, I put myself

54:50

last on the list, but sometimes

54:50

those y's are what come in and

54:53

smack in the face and go,

54:55

having my dad

54:55

die young when he worked his ass

54:57

off and then didn't really get

54:57

to enjoy it like that day.

55:00

Probably was one of those. You

55:00

never know when your time is and

55:03

you know if there are things

55:03

that we can do to prevent us

55:06

dying early, you know, I just

55:06

had a she's my mom's age, but

55:10

she just had a heart attack and

55:10

died just as last week as like

55:13

holy crap. Death is can be very

55:13

quick and seven MB and that goes

55:18

back to just integrity for yourself right

55:20

like being

55:20

following doing what you say

55:23

you're going to do to yourself.

55:23

Yeah, following through like you

55:25

would your best friend right?

55:25

I'm far more likely to let

55:28

myself down before a friend or

55:28

my spouse or my kids. And that's

55:32

just a bad. That's bad.

55:35

But I think that is I think there's a beautiful long I know, and I

55:36

agree. And I think that is a

55:39

beautiful place to start. And as

55:39

we're saying all this

55:42

conversation, where are you

55:42

letting yourself down in your

55:44

life? Where are you not showing

55:44

up for yourself?

55:47

You know,

55:47

when I think you know, if you if

55:50

you aren't sleeping good and you

55:50

feel bloated or if you have gas

55:52

or if you're nauseated or IBS,

55:52

like they're all got, those are

55:56

all good things. And so I think

55:56

my overall thing is if you

56:00

aren't feeling amazing, and you

56:00

want to feel amazing, like if

56:03

you feel good and you are fine

56:03

or feeling good, then it stay

56:06

there. You probably wouldn't be listening right now.

56:08

That was again, you

56:08

would have left a long time ago probably. But if you're saying here nor

56:10

fast, and you know I will share

56:13

Dr. Steven Cabral. He has a

56:13

podcast. He's fabulous. Yeah, I

56:17

know. You tried his seven day

56:17

cleanse and it was not for you.

56:20

While my body

56:20

either is too toxic or something

56:23

but whole man I got super sick.

56:23

Yeah.

56:26

So he has

56:26

like a gut regimen and stuff

56:29

like that to really love his

56:29

stuff. And they do and I did the

56:32

21 day and it was fine. But then

56:32

once I got off, I just felt

56:37

miserable again. Yeah, so that

56:37

was a long lasting thing for me.

56:41

But his podcast. I mean, stuff

56:41

has great people. I know people

56:45

like Kate and Courtney and those

56:45

guys love it. But for me, it

56:49

wasn't great. But he has a great

56:49

podcast, a wonderful podcast. I

56:52

mean, I think he has like 4000

56:52

episodes. You want to learn

56:56

about he's got it he knows about

56:56

it. So I really like to recall

57:02

anyway, so those are just I felt

57:02

like something we needed to yeah

57:06

share with the world today. Why?

57:09

What is personal want to know about Plexus then? Oh, we're putting

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messaging up message. No, we're

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putting your link in the show

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notes. This is just silly. Okay,

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yeah, it's fine. Because the

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there it is. If not, it's not a

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some I'm super curious to try

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57:25

I've really loved it. Like it's making a huge difference in the short

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57:29

this is not

57:29

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57:32

god it's not like you're out

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57:35

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