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Hello and welcome to

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another What Most People

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Think Breaking News. This

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is coming to you, I'm recording this

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on Friday afternoon in a

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Manchester? Greater Manchester. The great thing about travel lodge

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that the rooms are small enough. They're actually

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quite good podcast studios because the desk is

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close to a very small window with curtains

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so there's soft furnishings around. And I felt

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like it was necessary to do an episode,

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I wanted to do an episode this week because

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obviously we've had the cash report which

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came out in the middle of this week and obviously

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there's been a lot of fallout and reaction to that.

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And I just want to sort of get into that,

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like what it means and try and get to it

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as usual with this podcast is what a reasonable or

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kind of run of the mill type person in this

1:02

country, how they might react to those

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findings. But it's been a bit of a whirlwind

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one. So I did butlins

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a couple of weekends ago and then I

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did Weakest Linked and a few tour shows

1:14

and then I was off to Vienna, fucking

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Vienna's really good. The

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zoo there is the bollocks, is the absolute

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bollocks. I will say this though, for my

1:23

son that must have been an absolute cultural

1:25

roller coaster going from butlins to

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Vienna. From

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the home of Diversity and the

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Masked Singer Live to the home

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of Johann Strauss. Is it Strauss?

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I don't know. But I know we had a really good

1:38

time there but then I got back on Wednesday

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night, landed at Heathrow, took my

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family home, got up first thing the following morning,

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back to Heathrow, did a tour show in Dublin.

1:46

Now I'll tell you a funny thing about the

1:49

Dublin tour show, I always knew it was going

1:51

to be a hard sell. I mean let's be

1:53

honest, someone like me in Dublin, the reasons for

1:55

people to come and watch me are thin on

1:57

the ground, right? So I was told it was

1:59

one number. which wasn't a high number compared to

2:01

the other tour shows in terms of ticket sales, but

2:04

upon arrival I was told it was actually half

2:06

that number. And

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then shortly before the show started they said that

2:11

of the half number you thought you had only

2:13

75% of that number have turned

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up. So it was one of the more intimate

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shows I've ever done, but I'll tell you what,

2:20

what a crowd man. I went out expecting it

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all to be like English expats and

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it was Irish people. And the funny thing

2:26

is, it's just like those slight cultural differences

2:28

whereby like every time I posed

2:30

a rhetorical question people actually answered it. You know I'd

2:33

say like, yeah, you know like when you're going to

2:35

like, you know, when you're going out overseas with

2:37

your missus people are like, I do know that. Yeah. So

2:40

I'm aware of that phenomenon. Remember that we went

2:42

overseas. Sorry

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if that accent makes it look, they were just

2:46

wicked people. So I ended up feeling very grateful

2:48

that despite the lower numbers like, and then I

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started thinking how of all these Irish people, have

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they heard of me? And then we'd had a

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lovely time together. Honestly, one of the best tour

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shows of the whole run. So thanks everyone who

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came to that show. And look, I would say

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that I will return to Dublin. My agent did

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warn me before I went. She said, look, Jeff,

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no one knows who the fuck you are in

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Dublin. And

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it turns out 60 people knew who the

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fuck I was in Dublin. You know, 60. It's

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a start. Let's build on it. Maybe I'll just

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say like, it's the one tour show that

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I do, which is actually a loss making enterprise

3:20

by do it for the Craig. I

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know it's a pronounced crack. All right. We

3:26

just get, I'm going to gloss over the

3:29

usual housekeeping stuff here, like new patrons and

3:31

domain talking point would do that. Next

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week we've got Sean Walsh coming back on the

3:36

show next week. He's got a new special out,

3:38

which talks about his cancellation and stuff like that.

3:40

So I'm doing it. It's an amazing time I

3:42

have him on to get him chatting about what

3:44

that was like. And you know, whether or not

3:46

these kids now, they say cancellation, Sean out at

3:48

the old fashioned way, proper fucking front page of

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the tabloids. So I will get him talking

3:52

about that and about comedy and the usual bollocks.

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And so as I say, we'll this week be talking about the

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cash report. And there's also, there was this weird, a you go

3:59

poll, which was basically. trying to find out whether or

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not, you know, who you would trust out of

4:03

Rishi Sunak and Keir Starman, like which one of

4:05

them do you think could put up a shelf,

4:07

you know, which one of them could you think

4:09

could get out of an escape room. So once

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we've done the cash report stuff we'll talk about

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that because obviously the cash report stuff is on

4:16

the heavy side but I thought it might be

4:18

nice to end with a little semi-comedic political sorbet.

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We're gonna do a thank you and a fuck

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you. Do you know what actually it's gonna be

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a double fuck you this week. So I was

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at Heathrow Airport heading out to Dublin and I

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sat down and it's nice place, you know, I got

4:31

myself a nice breakfast, I thought I'd set up here, I've got

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a little bit of work to do before I get on the

4:35

plane and there's a guy next to me, big

4:37

guy he was as well and this did

4:40

make it worse for some reason but he

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just kept farting, just kept farting and you

4:44

know that, oh god this is an

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awful thing to say but you know that slightly earthy smell where

4:51

you know you go mate you've got one in the chamber

4:53

just go to the toilet he kept farting and I thought

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I don't know, like he

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was definitely him like he was sitting there and then

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he had a mate opposite him and his mate I

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think he looks slightly horrified so I thought like you

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just, is that what you do you just sit here

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and fart you're not conscious so you smell or do

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you think like it's like a spargus where not everybody

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can smell it and I was thinking I cannot I'm

5:11

just getting increasingly intolerant like how do people get to

5:13

get away with this anti-social behavior you

5:15

know I mean I would have given him a

5:17

good old-fashioned Naughty's As-Boh if I could have done

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but you know what I decided to do unbelievably

5:22

childish is I got up

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and I just I did a fart sound I

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just got up and I went I

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just did that and then both of them looked at me I

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thought okay I think that's enough because if it was you farting

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you'll know exactly what that relates to so

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there you go so you do you now know

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that you cannot act without consequence sir and then

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you know being such a lovely bloke as I

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am I got a few steps away and

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then thought what if he's got what if he's got a problem

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what if he's got a problem and that's why he's farting and

5:50

there's nothing he can do about it and then I thought yeah

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he has got a problem is he overeats he

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overeats he has too much at breakfast and he can't be asked

5:57

to go to the toilet so there you go there's the first

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fuck you Don't at me, as the

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kids say. I'm calling out. It was terrible

6:03

behavior. And the other fuck you is to,

6:05

I saw a newspaper, a

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think piece, I think it was in the iron news.

6:10

Now, quite often when you write an article, the

6:13

tagline that they use to draw people

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in will be a bit click-bait-y, but

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that isn't, that's besides the point here.

6:19

So the headline was, all straight men

6:21

need to give pegging a try once,

6:23

right? Or something along those lines.

6:25

But eventually, they were saying, you basically, if you don't know what

6:27

pegging is, it's that you should let

6:29

your wife put something up your backside, right?

6:31

For sexual pleasure. Now, I've never

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pegged, I don't know. It could be amazing,

6:36

I don't know. The point was, right, it

6:38

was just another one of these examples of

6:40

the double standards that have come in in

6:42

male-female dialogue. Because if you just think, right,

6:45

if you just think the opposite of that article. And

6:48

I'm sure that once upon a time, maybe they did write stuff

6:50

like this in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. But

6:54

imagine if someone had just said, that

6:56

all straight women need to open the

6:58

tradesmen's, everyone's, like, it just, it's not

7:00

a thing. And just, so I

7:02

don't know if it was the, that was part

7:04

of the article, whether the

7:06

author wrote those words, or

7:08

whether those words were applied. But somebody at some point has put

7:10

those words to print, and it's been shared. And you just think

7:13

like, all straight men need to

7:15

give pegging a try once, lads. Say, come

7:17

on lads, stop holding back lads, say. You're

7:19

asking for it. I

7:22

don't know, maybe I'm being defensive. Maybe

7:24

I'm being defensive, because secretly I'm intrigued.

7:27

And I feel threatened. I just, you know, it is

7:30

a sexual freedom event. I suppose it is a big

7:32

bridge to cross, isn't it? We

7:34

generally, the penetrators, we don't, you know, well,

7:36

fuck him, where has this conversation gone? Yeah,

7:39

all right, maybe I've got issues here. Look,

7:41

apparently, look, I'm not knocking blokes that like

7:44

it. The prostate, look,

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okay, let's just, you

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know what, I'm actually pleased to be able to talk about slightly

7:51

less dodgy ground, which is the report into

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transgender treatment at the Tabestock

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Clinic. So

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a few years ago, was it

8:08

three, four years ago, the government

8:10

commissioned to report into practice at

8:12

the Tavistock clinic, right? The gender

8:15

identification. Anyway, it was a subsection

8:17

called JIDS. And there was

8:19

a few whistleblowers that were knocking about that

8:21

seemed to be concerned that the way the

8:24

treatment and puberty blockers were being handed

8:26

out weren't subject to

8:28

the usual medical rigor,

8:30

right? Now, this report has dropped and it

8:33

was kind of teased as they often are.

8:35

And very much the big takeaways were that

8:38

that was happening, right? That other

8:40

causes potentially of these kids gender

8:42

dysphoria, potential other issues like autism,

8:45

childhood trauma, there was a whole range of other

8:47

stuff that was sort of in some

8:50

cases being bypassed. And

8:52

what seemed to be an actual appetite

8:54

to sort of prescribe medication,

8:57

which it turned out was based on

8:59

a Dutch report, which wasn't really a

9:01

full proper and proper medical trial.

9:04

You know, when you were, for a lot of people, when

9:06

you first heard about this, when you heard the word puberty

9:08

blocker, it just, it's one of those little phrases that just

9:10

makes you flinch and go, which would be

9:12

blocking puberty, puberty blocker,

9:15

like, you know, where all the body

9:17

grows, like not just, it's

9:19

not just about B voice or tits. It's about

9:21

other medical things, bone density, you know, there's a

9:23

lot of, there's a lot of things that happen

9:25

in that, but you know, it did become, I

9:28

guess, a cultural issue where

9:30

a lot of people would look and say, well,

9:32

who are the people arguing against this? If

9:34

you look back to 2015, 17, maybe up to 2020, in fact, maybe even

9:36

beyond, there

9:40

were a lot of people that were quite

9:42

keen to be seen publicly to support this

9:44

because for a while, and certainly when the

9:46

left were or the progressive left were in

9:48

the dominant position on Twitter, that

9:50

was the nice position, right? That was the

9:52

be kind position. And

9:54

people say you were born in the wrong

9:57

body because the progressive left always love an

9:59

incantation today. You know, trans man is a

10:01

man, you were born in the wrong body,

10:03

no one's safe till anyone's safe,

10:05

sex workers work, they just, they love their

10:08

little sing-song phrases and you were born

10:10

in the wrong body sort of caught on,

10:12

I guess it's a seductive idea, I always

10:14

thought, it kind of annoyed me

10:16

a bit that phrase because you kind of like, well

10:18

you may have an issue with

10:20

how you feel about your body but it's,

10:22

that's such a subjective phrase to say you

10:24

were born in the wrong body,

10:27

right? And it has caused quite a

10:29

stir the release of this report, there

10:31

are, you know, on the side of

10:33

the people that were broadly supportive to

10:35

Tavistock Clinic and you know, gender affirming

10:37

care, a lot of those people have

10:39

gone, either gone a bit quiet

10:41

or come out fighting and then looked to

10:43

pick holes in the findings or you know,

10:45

looked to demonise people within it, I think

10:48

the first problem they've got is, I don't

10:50

know if you've seen any of the reports

10:52

involving Hilary Cass, is that I, look, again

10:54

maybe this is me being subjective but she

10:57

is transparently a decent human being, I'm sorry,

10:59

you cannot, I've heard her on loads of

11:01

interviews now and she is so careful and

11:03

so clearly empathetic to the young people who

11:06

were in the care of that clinic that,

11:09

I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit, if you're trying

11:11

to say that she's got any hint of mendacity,

11:13

now some people are saying that some

11:15

of the people that she spoke to were transphobic,

11:17

you know, the accusations keep coming but I just

11:19

don't think that, you know, if this podcast is

11:21

what most people think, I think if most people

11:23

saw any or heard in the interview with Hilary

11:25

Cass, they would believe that that was a person

11:27

that was trying to do the

11:30

right thing, you know, and then,

11:32

you know, what you also have is a

11:34

lot of people that were demonised at the

11:36

time, whistle blowers or people that were questioning

11:38

the care or lack of it that was

11:40

being given to young people and

11:42

you know, they are now sort of fighting

11:44

back. I

11:47

think one of the places where Hilary Cass stops

11:49

short, because look, she's gone a long

11:51

way and I'm sure she's faced a fair share of

11:54

abuse, is about whether or not

11:56

there was such a thing as a trans ideology

11:58

but in my view... The

12:00

way she set it up does everything but answer

12:03

that question, but it certainly asks the question

12:05

because you left the words with two options,

12:07

right? If you're in a situation where medicine

12:10

and treatment is being provided that hasn't

12:12

been subject to the usual medical rigor,

12:15

scrutiny and trials, you've got to say,

12:17

well, why is that happening?

12:19

So what reasons can you think of?

12:21

You could think of all

12:23

people that see young people in desperate situation and

12:25

believe it will help, but that still doesn't excuse

12:28

the fact that things haven't been subject to a

12:30

trial. But then you lean

12:32

more to the idea that there was

12:34

a pervasive view, perhaps a kind

12:37

of ideological zeal behind some people

12:40

working there. And on the other hand, you

12:42

think, well, I'm sure not everybody held that zeal

12:44

or bought into it. But,

12:47

you know, one of the things that Hillary cast

12:49

reported was that some people were afraid to speak

12:51

to her. And you know, this clinic, there has

12:53

been quite a lot of cooperation from the childcare

12:55

side of it, but by all accounts, very

12:58

little from the adult side, even to this

13:00

day. One thing that interested me was

13:02

that I think in a lot

13:04

of cases, the way that the debate is characterized

13:06

publicly is mostly about men

13:08

who wish to transition and

13:11

identify as women. That

13:13

is a lot of the most contentious, high

13:16

profile sort of corners of the debate. But

13:18

what appears in the Tavistock Clinic and the

13:21

vast majority of people they were treating were

13:23

young girls wishing to identify as

13:25

male, which goes against the broader trends. I

13:28

know that there's this other theory and this is

13:30

correlation is not causation. I should stress that. But

13:32

at the same time as this was happening, anorexia

13:34

was sort of disappearing as a condition. So some

13:36

people were saying, look, this is

13:39

a manifestation of something else. You know,

13:41

a lot of the females seeking this

13:43

treatment or being given this treatment were

13:45

autistic or had other issues going on.

13:47

So it just feels like a pretty

13:50

sort of cast iron and manifestly

13:52

a massive Failure in the

13:54

treatment of young people. That, you know, the toys

13:56

and labor seems to be pretty unified on this.

14:00

As said by you know because big

14:02

shout to go against as as as

14:04

well resourced and and thera and examination

14:06

the seaside least questions or and will

14:08

have bought. Does it prove you know

14:11

do a pull itself in fairness does

14:13

not say the puberty blockers should never

14:15

be prescribed but he says we need

14:17

to have the correct medical trials. never

14:19

if I sound a bit hesitant. Speaking

14:21

about this is because you know this

14:23

is an Ab. I have spoken by

14:25

the pope costs over the years I

14:27

wouldn't call in area of area of

14:29

expertise. You know, a bull? The I suppose a

14:31

kind of like. On. The Source: interest in

14:34

decree coup side you know my be on

14:36

the side story side My dear Laws agenda

14:38

critical versions of the sites or he might

14:40

be something too shy or the but I

14:42

have an account of people message me what

14:44

would say what did you do in this

14:46

fight well I had pink Roman law had

14:48

to discussions piety odds are the realize when

14:50

it was an old routine or did on

14:53

an eye out and cats in twenty twenty

14:55

which I'm surprised my did it was I

14:57

was essentially Easter Hollywood speech is always left

14:59

wing us a just be Noyce a fair

15:01

once in a wild I said. Some and

15:03

conserving feel like a height my be tax

15:05

cuts can stimulate the economy and then the

15:07

second part i gag was and who knows

15:09

maybe five years old is too young for

15:11

tell to pick the hunt gender and you

15:14

know a fair play to the producers of

15:16

fact is that made it into the follow

15:18

edit and a member there was some was

15:20

the suicide as is not not everyone on

15:22

the panels of comedians that they look totally

15:24

and I'm and with the joke of us

15:26

I I do think is as a said

15:28

recently with this debate that some people have

15:31

just june the simple comparison. as

15:33

a coors between the pursuit of gay rights

15:35

and the pursuit of trans rights and they

15:37

always seem to me to be transparently different

15:39

things and i mean by that i the

15:42

telephone jones for that something so the guardian

15:44

and again you know you so this is

15:46

a time when i saw fuck is wise

15:48

things like on i know what i'm saying

15:51

and isn't that radical by his discover causes

15:53

shit storm but you gotta say you thing

15:55

and to said maybe society will come to

15:57

view you know the idea that

16:00

biological males can identify as

16:02

women, but the argument hasn't

16:04

been had fully with wider

16:06

society and won. What

16:09

people would often say in responses are, oh

16:11

well, Pink News did a survey saying the

16:13

British people are sympathetic to trans people. Absolutely

16:16

no doubt about that. Part of the whole

16:18

point of this podcast is that people are essentially

16:21

decent. But a lot of

16:23

people just weren't included on the debate. Once

16:25

you start questioning or scratching the surface further

16:27

of the idea that someone who

16:30

has male genitalia can, at

16:32

the drop of a hat, identify as a

16:34

woman and be treated as such, then

16:37

you might start to get slightly different answers. So

16:40

overall it's a victory in a way this

16:42

moment, but also it's a victory which exposes

16:44

something really quite negative. It's that for an

16:46

extended period of time, for reasons

16:49

that are hard to fathom, the

16:52

medical and psychological care was

16:55

allowed to exist outside

16:57

the rules and the norms of

16:59

what we expect from the medical

17:01

profession generally, but especially when it

17:03

comes to young people. That was

17:05

fun, wasn't it? A

17:13

bit light on gags there Norcote. But

17:15

I'm interested in your views, what most people

17:17

think [email protected]. Is that a fair take on

17:19

what most people would think about the outcome

17:21

of these things? That is after all the

17:23

projects of this podcast. Or if you think

17:25

I've gone too far on the gender critical

17:28

side or maybe I haven't gone far enough,

17:30

then email me. I'm not sure

17:32

I'll ambush Sean with that. Hey

17:35

Sean, we've got some letters here. You've been cancelled in

17:37

the past. Do you want to talk about trans stuff?

17:40

Okay, the other thing we were going to talk about

17:42

as a little sort of palate cleanser is

17:44

this survey in Yuguv, where just for laughs,

17:47

just for banter. Essentially

17:49

it seems to humiliate both the leaders of

17:51

the two main parties. They'd ask who of

17:53

Rishi Sunak and Kia Stama would be best

17:55

at. So here are the

17:57

following things. We'll go through them one by one.

18:00

an escape room 34% Sunak

18:02

30% Stalmer. I'm not

18:04

sure saying that I think somebody would

18:06

be good at an escape room is

18:08

necessarily a compliment. I think

18:10

that's like saying hey dude are you would be

18:13

amazing at World of Warhammer? Oh

18:16

mate you you must have the best

18:18

stamp collections. Just think just think

18:20

about who's into escape rooms come on. Who

18:23

would be better at negotiating a

18:25

discount? Rishi Sunak wins again 37%

18:27

to 33% again. Negotiating discounts that

18:29

is the people in life that

18:35

get discounts aren't always the most savory people

18:38

but I suppose there's a potential positive for

18:40

Sunak there is that there's an allusion to

18:42

the idea that he can get a deal.

18:45

Yeah Keir Starmer trying to negotiate

18:47

a discount. He would just change

18:49

his position wouldn't he? Look I absolutely believe

18:51

but look I paid for

18:53

this bill and look the onion rings are

18:55

absolutely bad and they're supposed to be like

18:57

that. Look I've said all along onion rings

19:00

are supposed to be like nicinched. Hosting

19:02

a party they both come in at 33% each

19:05

with that. I don't know

19:07

man I'd probably rather go

19:09

to a Rishi party I've got to

19:11

be honest with his little Adidas Samba trainers

19:13

on they got in trouble for wearing the

19:15

other day. Keir Starmer part just look everybody

19:17

just to be clear the Coke zeros are

19:19

in that fridge. I don't want any people

19:22

getting off their face on the

19:24

full fat version. Looking

19:26

after your child while you're out Rishi

19:28

Sunak comes in well that's poor 23%

19:31

like he's got two kids in him or three.

19:33

Where's Keir Starmer 32% I mean fucking

19:36

hell Starmer's no fan is

19:38

he when he's doing the old when it he's

19:42

lights out at 8 p.m. isn't he? Lights

19:44

out 8 p.m. and you can read till

19:46

quarter past eight. Yep so Starmer

19:48

wins on that one again I mean

19:51

you're sort of saying he's like a male nanny as

19:53

well which in some cultural quarters could be seen as

19:55

an insult. Do you mean in your

19:57

mind Jeff? Yes I do mean in my mind because I'm

19:59

unevolved. Being in charge of the map for a

20:01

road trip, Rishi 26% Keir Starmer 39%. Again,

20:06

I don't think Rishi is fucking about with maps

20:08

there. I think Rishi is kind of like, I've

20:10

got a new app, this is an amazing new

20:12

app. He would just have this ridiculous app and

20:15

even as he's telling you about it, you think,

20:17

I'm not downloading that, mate, it sounds too complicated.

20:19

It's like that what three words thing. You know

20:21

the thing where using just three words, you can

20:23

navigate to anyone's exact front door. You're like, yeah,

20:25

I'm just going to use Sat Nav and get...

20:27

I'm going to get in the ballpark and take

20:29

an educated guess. Keir Starmer, being in charge

20:31

of the map for a road trip. Yeah, he feels like a

20:33

kind of guy that would still have one of those big A

20:35

to Zs pulled over in a

20:37

country like, look, could you kids just stop at

20:40

the back? Putting out a kitchen

20:42

counter fire, 17% for

20:44

Rishi Sunak. That's fair. I just...

20:46

There's not enough manly genes, I'm afraid to

20:48

say, Rishi. I don't think he could actually

20:50

see over the top of it as well

20:52

even to see. He wouldn't know until there

20:55

was sort of like carbon monoxide poisoning. He

20:57

just... He wouldn't

20:59

have the eye line. Starmer 41%. Yeah,

21:02

yeah, fair. I could see that. Making a

21:04

Sunday roast, Rishi Sunak 16%. Keir

21:07

Starmer 42%. Yeah,

21:09

it may be, but I'm just thinking you're getting skinny

21:11

beef. I remember my nan used to

21:13

do it. We used to get three slices of beef and they were

21:16

all fucking anemic. Do you know what

21:18

I mean? They're just cut

21:20

from a cow with a fucking eating disorder.

21:23

Did I ever get that? Did I ever get that with

21:25

animals? They're just like, no, not eating. Just like, oh,

21:27

we think Daisy's anorexic. They're

21:29

not laughing at anorexia. Why am I scared about cancellation

21:31

this week? I need to just... I need to grow

21:33

up here. Holding a

21:36

conversation at the pub, 22% Sunak, 49% Keir

21:38

Starmer. Yeah,

21:42

OK, British public. I'm not thinking you're not paying

21:44

close enough attention to this guy. Let's see where

21:46

that is after the election campaign. Because look, I

21:48

would say neither of them are great, but I

21:50

do not think that Keir Starmer is a great

21:53

conversationalist at the pub. I mean, he's got to

21:55

learn to talk about football convincingly first, doesn't he?

21:57

Yes, I've got to say the answer. Oh, don't

21:59

play the... a 4-4-2,

22:01

in my view. Look, no football

22:03

fan really talks about formations. And

22:06

then when it comes to putting up a shelf, 13% Sunak

22:09

and again a whopping 47% Kia Stama. Yeah,

22:13

I mean Kia Stama would put up a shelf

22:15

and then if there was a YouGov poll saying

22:17

that people were off shelves, he'd take it down

22:20

again because that's what he's like. Okay,

22:25

so that is the breaking news for

22:27

this week. I'm just going to check and

22:29

see if there are any iTunes reviews. Please

22:32

do recommend the show. If you are downloading

22:34

it through iTunes, could

22:36

you click the follow? Are there any

22:38

of you that just basically search for

22:40

my podcast every week? Could you just

22:42

follow the podcast? Any fucking danger?

22:44

It just helps with the numbers and all that

22:46

sort of stuff. And then if you leave me

22:48

a five-star review, I will read it

22:50

out. Okay, we've got a couple of new ones

22:52

here. So I'm reading blind here. This is from

22:55

Aussie Miandis. Wasn't that a famous poem? In

22:57

a notion of left-leaning fence cruisers, I

23:00

don't know why but that sounded homophobic, Jeff

23:02

is a breath of fresh air, manages to

23:04

make common sense points which I'm convinced increasingly

23:06

are what most people think. Jeff is funny,

23:08

factual and above all balanced. Thank you. You

23:10

love a bit of balance. That's

23:13

the new hot take by guys. That's the

23:15

new controversial thing is to just accept

23:17

that they're competing views. Managing to engage

23:19

with people across the political spectrum has

23:22

shown us how it's possible to not

23:24

only have reasonable factual discourse, but to

23:26

do so without wanting to beat each

23:28

other to a pulp. Goes into my

23:30

playlist of prof G, Farid Zakaria, trigonometry

23:32

and the thought police. Well done, Jeff.

23:34

Oh, that's actually a really lovely review.

23:37

And this is one more I think for this week. This is

23:39

from Dunk Stunk. Okay. So I think people

23:42

have sort of worked out that if they give me

23:44

a five-star but criticize me I'm obliged to read it

23:46

out. I shouldn't have said that. There'll

23:48

be an avalanche now. And this is from

23:50

Dunk Dunk. Okay. Once I've skipped the

23:52

tour dates and the new Patreons, whatever they are, I

23:54

find it most engaging. Look, come on,

23:56

man. Well, first up, I'm nearly at the end of the

23:58

tour now. So look, just think. you this week I'm not

24:00

going to mention the fact that I've only got dates left

24:03

Wellingborough, Ilkley, Southport, Wimbledon

24:06

and beyond. Okay I'm not going to do that

24:08

this week and Patreons what the thing is about

24:11

Patreons is that they like to

24:13

have their names roasted it's a weird sort

24:15

of BDSM service that I do and on

24:17

that note just reminded me one

24:19

of the audience members in Ireland one

24:21

of the audience and let's be honest I could have done

24:24

a name call in fact we're all on first name terms

24:26

by the end. He reminds

24:28

me of that old joke you know like Jasper Carrot

24:30

you should do a joke about how poorly attended Birmingham

24:32

City were where he'd say that they would read out

24:34

the names of the players for the benefit of the

24:37

fans and then read out the names of the fans

24:39

for the benefit of the players but

24:41

there was a guy they called Kevin Roach and he said

24:43

I didn't roast his name very well. Well

24:45

the thing was Roach is the thing that you put

24:47

of an end of a spliff isn't it to sort

24:50

of avoid burning yourself on the hot tobacco so that

24:52

is basically you come from

24:55

a family of drug dealers Kevin Roach

24:57

that in old ancient Ireland

24:59

there was just when everyone else was

25:01

just fucking on the potatoes one of

25:03

your ancestors would just discovered weed or

25:06

or Kay Roach Kay Roach

25:08

wasn't an ex-husband of Britney Spears called

25:10

Kayfed so maybe Kay Roach is just

25:13

like a... Kay

25:15

Roach is just as her fortune kept

25:17

sliding maybe like you're her fifth weirdly

25:20

named husband you know the first guy was a

25:22

really hot backing dancer but but you Kay Roach

25:24

you're a bit like me where you need well

25:27

you need at least some ivy leave gel to

25:29

even think about think about sex you