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Hello, dear King. Morning, G. No

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one can find the meaning of that. How do

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you work out footy at the moment? That's so good

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with that. It usually happens a bit later in the season,

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that round comes along. Yeah, well, maybe

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it does, but just

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talking then, it's come at a perfect time because all

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balls are in the air now, in that

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middle part of the ladder. We're

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going to have four weeks of the bye and the ladder

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will lie to us a little bit. You

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won't really know where

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you sit, which is great because

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it just means the intrigue and

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the passion is hooked into your club and your

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team for another month of footy deep

1:17

into the season. So we committed ourselves

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to brackets at the end of round 11, the

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last time

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the ladder would make sense for four weeks. How

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many brackets have you decided to go with? That's

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a good question. One, two, three, four, five,

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six, seven, eight. Eight

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brackets? Eight if you call the West Coast a

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bracket. Perhaps we'll just have 18. This

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is a disaster for me on social media, Terry. This

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is a disaster for me. All right. So what

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are your terms of reference? I

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tried to come up with something for you. So 24

1:48

carat, absolute pure gold in terms

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of

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how they play, got a

1:53

distinct point of difference and they tear apart

1:56

your plan. Yep. So

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I don't worry about wins and losses. still,

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if you've still played a really,

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so Brisbane got beat, Collingwood and Brisbane are in that bracket.

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Brisbane got beat, but they played, they

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played pretty well in a loss on the

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road. Well, they kicked it, you know, one

2:13

goal nine or one goal 10. One nine. Yeah.

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So to me, they're

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the two clear standouts, got

2:20

a got a pure plan, got a pure system

2:23

and got good enough talent to win it. 24 karat gold. As

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we sit 18 karat gold,

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so popular choice 75% gold, Jared.

2:31

So there's some flaws in there, but they're still

2:33

pretty good. So Port

2:35

Adelaide,

2:36

Western Bulldogs, there's some discussion

2:39

to have there, we'll have that later. And only minor

2:41

flaws, I think, in Fremantle and

2:43

Adelaide.

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So they're on that next rung for me. Then

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you got your 12 karat gold, which was

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sort of the gold of a bygone era,

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Jared Richmond

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and Sydney.

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I put Sydney in there because I think that now they're

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being exposed, lesser talents being

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exposed because some of those older guys aren't there.

3:04

Yeah, yellow gold. So

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it looks like gold looks different. It just

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looks different. And it's, it's hard

3:11

to recognise change.

3:13

That's the sons and the giants. So

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I'm just doing some things that are pretty special. And

3:19

the sons, I think people are very, very slow

3:21

to warm to what Stuart Jew's doing,

3:23

which we'll talk about in a moment.

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There's your rolled gold. It's

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the art of deception. I'm not even sure it is gold.

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And that's Geelong and Melbourne and Throw in Essendon.

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That's worth talking about later on. But I think

3:37

that there's, are they,

3:40

are they absolutely what they think we are?

3:42

So that's the rolled gold. Fool's

3:45

gold. Oh, I love fool's gold. May

3:47

even be brass. Carlton. You

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get some, you get a lot of calls on a motherfucking. A lot of feedback.

3:55

And then you got your 10 carat gold. Not a common, not

3:57

a common variety, Jared. It's actually only 40%

3:59

there. Hawthorn, the

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Kangaroos and I think St Kilda. In terms

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of talent I think they're 40% there.

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And then there's one

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club that's still mining. They're still panning. They're at Sovereign

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Hill. 10? I assume I said Sovereign

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Hill with a pan in hand. That's

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West Coast. You can't really bracket them anywhere. So

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they haven't really, they haven't started to

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acquire their gold yet.

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24 carat, Collingwooden

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Brisbane, 18 carat, Port Bullrog's

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Fremantle Adelaide, 12 carat, old

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gold, Richmond and Sydney, rolled

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gold. Is it called?

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Yello, did you get it? Yello gold,

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Gold Coast and the Giants, Fool's Gold

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Carlton, 10 carat gold, Hawthorn

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North Melbourne and St Kilda and panning at Sovereign

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Hill West Coast. I think that's all 18. That's

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good bracketing. Didn't

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see that. Don't put that on the line because it

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kills me in the written word on Twitter.

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Leave that, leave that. The big issue is the

4:58

reigning Premier, Geelong. Yes. You forecast

5:01

this on Friday morning in

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prospect

5:03

of what couldn't happen. I'm

5:06

looking at their profile closely and you know

5:08

with the stuff without the footies, not what it has been in

5:10

the past. And I know there's injuries everywhere.

5:12

This is a discussion ahead of time. It's

5:15

on a knife's edge. They can't afford to have a

5:17

hiccup at home. And a hiccup at home

5:19

is exactly what they had. Yeah,

5:22

they did. And

5:24

we talk a lot about having the experience

5:27

campaign is just to walk you around the

5:29

park and to set up at stoppage

5:31

and to organise and just make

5:33

the right decisions at the right time. They gave

5:36

up goals through

5:38

inexperience. Like never tries to

5:40

step back through a hole in

5:43

a dangerous part of the ground. Cost you a goal

5:45

at a bad time. So

5:46

little things like that that I think most

5:49

teams have had to go through while Geelong haven't.

5:51

When Geelong have been really stable, really

5:53

experienced club for a long period of time, really

5:56

haven't had the blood a lot of young kids.

5:58

Now they're having to.

5:59

So they're feeling the pain of what

6:02

the comps probably had

6:04

to do

6:06

against them.

6:07

I think they're in real trouble. They're

6:10

going to struggle to get some significant players

6:14

playing together for a run of

6:16

games, get that cohesion

6:18

in the post-match, get that cohesion back,

6:22

find form. The names will come

6:24

back in, but you don't come back in

6:26

and play it 100%. You have to

6:28

build again personally

6:30

to then build again as a collective. So

6:34

I just think this is just going to be

6:36

one of those years. And there's no problems.

6:39

No one's upset with them all. You've just got

6:41

to say, hey, thanks for last year, and

6:44

we've just hit the wall. And

6:46

it just does show you that it's how

6:51

it doesn't have to go wrong everywhere. Just

6:53

have to be off a little bit.

6:55

So injuries have played their part, and

6:57

I think that now they probably get the best of other

7:00

teams now. So losing a game

7:02

at home for them is significant

7:04

to a giant who no one's

7:06

really talking about. So it was a basic

7:08

plan that they come with, get the ball in, get it to

7:10

ground, hunt at ground level. Their

7:12

back six are vulnerable when the ball's on the deck. We

7:15

saw it all day. I thought it was terrific coaching

7:17

from Adam Kingsley. And then guys

7:19

like Brent Daniels, who I think is a really good player

7:22

in the competition. I don't know what his scope

7:24

is. Toby Green in that first

7:26

half. And then the second half, it was

7:29

a whole host of players.

7:30

So really, really good brand

7:33

of footy and a great buy-in

7:35

from the Giants. But it just

7:37

exposed everything that's

7:40

not quite right at Geelong at the minute. That

7:42

last goal for the Giants

7:44

was emblematic of it. You saw it

7:46

ahead of time. This was how it unfolded

7:49

on the Fox footy cover. Daniels is

7:51

the one. He's the one that's busy at these Ford 50 stoppages. Must

7:53

be clamped here from a Geelong

7:55

point of view. Back

7:57

into play. Where's Toby?

8:01

Little tightpoke off the deck,

8:03

Jack Henry had to get there. Oh it's open, it's

8:06

alive. And the Tiny Dancer

8:08

got there, Daniels.

8:11

He is tiny. Picked

8:13

him, didn't clamp him, hurts on the

8:16

goal line. If you've watched the

8:18

last quarter back, which we all

8:20

like to do in the middle of the week, you

8:24

just see at every stoppage, he's getting

8:26

space. And

8:29

good players find a way to get hold of the

8:32

footy. And we all worry

8:34

about Toby Green.

8:35

And sometimes if Toby's not there, then Daniels

8:37

doesn't get that space. So these

8:39

are the sorts of things. It's not who you play,

8:42

it's when you play them. You'd love to play them without

8:44

Toby the previous few weeks, but

8:46

that's not the reality of what happened on the weekend.

8:49

So we didn't think that was an available

8:51

upset opportunity on the weekend.

8:53

And now they leave a club in a little bit

8:55

of turmoil heading into the buy rounds.

8:58

Yeah, so five and six instead of six

9:00

and five, sheltering under the doorframe

9:02

at home, knowing that the Bulldogs

9:05

next week who are going to overwhelm

9:06

them in the midfield on the evidence

9:09

of what we've seen in the past couple of weeks. So

9:11

it does, is they're

9:13

a game behind the

9:16

measuring heading to the buy, and that's

9:18

going to make a big difference if they do

9:20

accumulate the group at the back

9:22

end of the season, they're going to be coming from a long way

9:24

back. And I'm probably talking

9:26

about their draw more than, you

9:28

know, their form as such, because they're

9:30

going to have to play at a nine out of

9:33

ten level to beat teams like Port

9:35

Adelaide and Adelaide. And you've got Melbourne

9:37

coming down the highway, you've got Brisbane at the gabber,

9:40

you've got, even Sydney in Sydney

9:42

will be a challenge because they're just hard to beat. It's

9:44

hard to travel and win.

9:46

And every team

9:49

brings their best against the best. They've been

9:51

the premier, so they get

9:53

what, they get full-toad odds from everyone.

9:56

The brackets was our Kings Gambit, Sir

9:58

Angelong is the big issue.

11:59

No one talks about Jarman Impy. What

12:02

Jarman Impy does is quite

12:05

special and quite brilliant.

12:07

So I really

12:09

like the leaders that they've stuck with because

12:12

they absolutely lead the right way. And when

12:14

this group, when the foundation

12:16

of this rebuild is done, there's

12:19

going to be a lot to work with there. I think

12:21

we're just, oh, Weedle, he just touched on him then.

12:24

He looks terrific. You know,

12:25

the young kids in the midfield, we've had rave

12:27

reviews about and Newcomb keeps doing what he's doing

12:29

and will day. But to

12:32

be able to lead this group, you need someone

12:34

who can just sort of, to

12:36

use a Craig McCray discussion, have the windscreen wipers

12:38

on, post-game,

12:41

post-individual play and just live

12:43

with mistakes. So the performance

12:45

is one thing. To actually deliver upon your talent

12:47

is one thing, but then the mental

12:49

side of it would be a

12:50

huge challenge. So full credit to James.

12:53

Yeah, this has been the folly of bracketing

12:55

Hawthorne with North Melbourne and West Coast. They

12:57

never belonged in the same bracket. Yeah, but

12:59

I think there were stages this year

13:01

where they were really uncompetitive in

13:03

game. That's okay. We're all,

13:06

we all know where they're going. Yeah, we

13:08

know what this is and that's

13:11

a moment that they will reflect on. Great

13:13

win. Excellently coached. Sam Mitchell's

13:15

plan was first class. What it means

13:17

for St Kilda is going to be in our open question

13:20

when we get there. And the pressure index

13:22

obviously sits on Carlton. We

13:24

are working our way through the means test with David

13:26

King after seismic events in

13:28

round 11.

13:32

The Monday means test, we're going early with PFI

13:35

Preliminary Final Integrity because it's time to

13:37

dig a little bit deeper on Melbourne. David King,

13:39

you've had red flags on Melbourne for a little while and

13:41

now you can bookend the two Fremantle

13:44

losses at the MCG and use

13:46

that as a body of work. It was round 11 both years. There are 13

13:48

wins and 12 losses in that period of time. Run

13:53

Melbourne through the high end examination.

13:56

Yeah, when you're good, when

13:58

you're very good,

17:59

The toughest one right now will be second position.

18:02

I think Collingwood are going to wrap up for this pretty quickly.

18:05

And then whether it's Port Adelaide or whether it's Brisbane

18:07

or whether it's Melbourne is huge.

18:10

So to get to a premium, you don't want to be having

18:12

to go through the gabber at all. Yep.

18:15

Or the Adelaide Oval. So they've

18:18

got a challenge. They know that. They've

18:20

got scope to get better.

18:22

But there's a template.

18:24

So that's PFI on Melbourne. The

18:27

pressure index is clearly on Carlton. I

18:29

know people want to fix this in on the coach,

18:31

but it is so much more broad than

18:33

that. It's clearly on the president

18:35

and his board. It's on Brian

18:38

Cook, who's seen all of this before. And

18:40

that's how to react,

18:42

not overreact. It's

18:45

obviously there on the coach. It's clear

18:47

on Harry Mackay, Patrick Cripps.

18:49

Like every level of that club

18:52

is under severe strain right now.

18:55

So in the end,

18:57

it just comes down to performance. Are

19:00

you performing your role? Are you

19:02

delivering upon an eight out

19:04

of 10, a nine out of 10 output every week?

19:06

And there's too many

19:08

that are

19:10

well short of that. There's too many that are

19:12

not even close to that discussion. And

19:15

there's too few that are taking it off. So, you

19:17

know, everyone's looking at Harry Mackay and

19:19

so he's the answer to all problems. He's

19:21

not. I mean, there's so many facets

19:24

that are just off.

19:26

And I think Vossie is doing a lot right. So

19:28

if you go through the numbers, some of their contest

19:30

work post-clearance is seriously good.

19:33

Look, we track

19:35

a lot of them without the footy stuff. Their

19:38

ability to stop the opposition moving the ball is pretty

19:40

good.

19:41

It's pretty good. But then there's holes in their defensive 50.

19:44

There's holes in their conversion, which we keep talking about.

19:46

Their ball use forward of center. It's almost

19:48

like take care of

19:51

the footy as you bring it out of the back line. And then when

19:53

they step center forward, it's just get it

19:55

in. We've

19:55

got a couple of big boys. Now we just get

19:58

it in. It shouldn't be now.

19:59

a different mindset. No,

20:02

the position of the football is gold.

20:05

So they just don't take care

20:07

with that entry going inside forward 50 and

20:09

it makes it so difficult for those guys

20:11

to be their best. I still think they're

20:13

forward 50 targets away out of whack. They

20:15

went to Harry Mackay 18 times on the weekend

20:19

and then Charlie I think 6 or 7. I

20:21

mean that's not right. If you've

20:23

got the best forward in the competition you go to

20:25

him as often as you can in a position where he can hit

20:27

the scoreboard. I mean

20:30

a bloke sitting on the bench that hardly what's, you know, on

20:32

the park bench that hardly watches the game

20:35

would understand that's good business. You

20:37

don't have to be an AFL coach to understand

20:39

that's good business. So

20:41

correct that.

20:43

Fix that. Because Harry

20:45

can't, Harry's not going to win you too many games at the moment so don't

20:47

let him cost you games.

20:49

So it seems silly to me to move,

20:51

to have Charlie further from

20:53

goal when he's the only one that is likely

20:56

to kick you a bag of 6, 7 or 8 goals.

20:59

Do you agree? Yep. So

21:02

how do they not see that? Well

21:05

I think there's been a bit of hoping that it would

21:07

rectify and maybe there'd been enough

21:09

evidence during the week to justify that

21:12

but it's not there out on the field and

21:14

it is an inhibitor now. So you

21:16

must make adjustment on Friday night. So

21:19

we threw up on crunch time the idea of play Jodana

21:21

Huzro. Go and be the second racquet. Feel good

21:24

about your 40 for 10 minutes at a time. And

21:26

see what that looks like when you go back down

21:29

forward. The walls

21:31

aren't closing in on you. By the end of Friday

21:33

night he was

21:34

dropping marks that were coming straight at his hands. That's

21:38

your mental disintegration across the course of a night where

21:40

you well know how it's gone wrong

21:43

and you know that everybody's staring in on you. We

21:45

see this in elite sport all the time

21:48

but somehow you've got to break that cycle. Yeah

21:50

and deliver upon your role. The

21:53

other part, and I showed some vision last night

21:56

on first crack of Adam Saad. He's

21:58

the best.

21:59

best kick in the game. For players

22:02

who have had 10 kicks on average or more across

22:04

the course of the season, he is ranked number one

22:07

field kick in the game. So,

22:10

good business

22:11

is to give the best ball user in the game,

22:13

the football, as often as you can. So, when

22:15

he runs past a Mitch

22:17

McGovern

22:19

or he runs past a Jacob Wiedering, hey,

22:21

as good as players as you guys are, he's

22:24

number one in the game. Give

22:26

him the footy and let him use his speed

22:29

in his evasion. The gap between what

22:31

the Swans did with Nick

22:33

Blakey and Carlton did with Adam

22:36

Saab was the game. They gave the ball

22:38

to Blakey when he just called for an awful

22:40

spot and then had to find

22:43

his way out of trouble and then use his foot

22:45

skills, which he did because he's a good player and

22:47

a good kick. They've got to give

22:49

Saab those same opportunities. They set

22:51

fire to two

22:53

walk-in stroll-in goals

22:55

by not giving him handballs in the absolute middle of the ground,

22:57

which I showed last night. You

23:01

do so much to find two goals in

23:03

a game of football. You change the way you

23:05

want to play, the whole method and strategy

23:08

around what you want to do game day to

23:10

find two goals. You give two

23:12

handballs to Adam Saab and there's two

23:14

goals. It sounds ridiculous, but

23:18

unless they make a change with that, you've got to

23:20

find a way to get him from 11 kicks

23:21

a game to 16 kicks a game.

23:23

If you can

23:25

do that, I'll guarantee there's

23:28

two to three more goals

23:29

and not kicking out for a full back. I'm talking

23:31

about the ones on the fly. The

23:34

stand rule means the bloke on the mark can't impact

23:36

him. Let him run. Let

23:38

him charge. Let him be your

23:40

Nick Dacos.

23:43

And what does Patrick Cripps do

23:46

right now? Yeah, see I've been studying

23:48

him. We've talked about him a couple of times.

23:52

My best mental vision

23:55

of Patrick Cripps is

23:56

being big, getting your hands on

23:58

the ball and then when he takes possession of the ball,

24:01

in times gone by he becomes

24:04

this violent angry untackleable

24:07

beast. Hands

24:09

going everywhere, ripped hair and bust,

24:12

threatening a hole and then giving the handball

24:14

out to someone who can break. In

24:17

the past it was Walsh and Hewitt and these guys

24:20

on the outside. I don't

24:22

see him as violent inside

24:25

the traffic. Now he's still getting his hands on,

24:27

he's still doing okay

24:29

but it's not

24:30

drawing a crowd like it used to,

24:33

it's just being defeated by

24:35

one man

24:36

and now teams have worked out

24:38

that if you just put an average stoppage

24:41

player on him, Isaac Heaney is

24:43

an average stoppage player. Bailey Smith

24:46

is a poor stoppage player.

24:48

They now just stand next to Patrick Cribbs,

24:51

don't worry about structure, just go and stand next

24:53

to him, he'll take you to the footy and if he

24:55

wins it,

24:56

be there to harass and if he doesn't win it,

24:58

and we do, you're on your bike and

25:01

you're charging forward and we're going to exploit

25:03

the fact that he can't travel,

25:05

he can't run.

25:06

It's an awful position to be in. So

25:08

what he's got to do

25:10

is become the

25:11

clearance contest brute

25:13

that plays with violence that stacks

25:16

so many clearances and puts his

25:18

team into great space by drawing a

25:20

crowd and getting someone in, threatening

25:22

a hole and getting the game to the outside that they say,

25:25

hey oh, we've now got to do something about Cribbs,

25:27

we can't let him do this at stoppages.

25:30

So until he does that, nothing will change. He'll

25:33

chase us all the way down the ground

25:35

to his own demise and to their

25:38

demise,

25:39

week in, week out. So it's

25:41

up to him to change that and it's

25:43

up to Michael Vos to say, hey mate, we can't have you chasing

25:45

these bugs. We will put a player

25:47

behind, off the stoppage to

25:50

take care of that, you just win the footy.

25:52

So there's a few things to play out there, but

25:54

in the end, you're

25:57

talking about three or four different things.

25:59

That's why they're with us. Yeah, and

26:01

that's the strategy

26:03

piece and all that's going on on the field Do you

26:05

think there's a risk that the off-field now might blow

26:08

the whole thing up? Now

26:10

I just my theory is I

26:12

think he's a good coach. I do. There's

26:14

a few things that are going wrong That

26:16

they're all fixable, but there's a lot going

26:19

right. I agree with what he said in the post

26:21

match. I

26:23

Wouldn't have been as glowing

26:25

as he was but I

26:27

Just think you said oh just relax stability

26:30

is your best friend in these in these sorts of circumstances

26:33

I hope he's there for six years and we find

26:35

out whether he can or he can't oh

26:37

They jump too quick to

26:39

he's the problem sack him

26:40

that that's not that's not the answer and

26:43

to be fair It never has been when someone's two

26:45

to three is in

26:47

So our PFI and our pressure index

26:49

meet on Friday night footy So that's going to be

26:51

a big focus of the week is

26:53

Melbourne and Carlton prepare for each other

26:56

We've got the crowses the curiosity the Saints

26:58

are the open question and three coaches

27:01

who are doing so much right Ken Hinkley Justin

27:03

Longmuir and Stewart due next

27:06

in the means tests We'll get to

27:08

our debate in a moment Melbourne's weather possible

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27:13

Power Inspecting and maintaining the CBD

27:15

underground electrical network want

27:17

to have your say ring Jared on

27:19

one three hundred seven three six seven three

27:22

six now back to lately

27:25

We always knew MCG they play it really well

27:28

challenging conditions suit their surge ball game We

27:31

had to be prepared to go the whole way and you know,

27:33

it's a really pleasing victory You

27:36

know, we had a lot of ball in our front half Yeah,

27:39

they had a great quarter in the second quarter, but we stuck

27:41

to task Which is this team has been remarkably

27:44

resilient and good at so far this year

27:46

We've been able to

27:47

get through a lot of challenges with one four

27:49

times on the road now I think which is I think

27:51

they build seasons and I'm really proud of them That's

27:54

eight in a row for Port Adelaide's is

27:56

you could have seen it three-quarter time the idea

27:59

of Richmond over the

27:59

top on a day that meant so much to them

28:02

in really difficult conditions as the game

28:04

went along, but Port Adelaide clearly had the

28:07

better of the last quarter and they are

28:09

enhanced by it, which leads

28:11

us to our debate for CIF, smarter

28:14

investing backed by the pros download

28:17

CIF. Port Adelaide is 9 and 2.

28:20

Ken Hinkley has never coached better. What

28:23

do they do? Oh, and Cauchy's got a bit more time

28:25

on his hands now. He's stepping down as I host the sunrise. Is

28:27

that a good thing for Kenny? Never. Oh

28:30

no. You don't want the president having more time

28:32

on their hands. Well,

28:35

I tell you what they did have to do. You got to go

28:37

through Chicago, Jared. You got to win at the G.

28:39

So they were 0 and 3 in 2022 and they had an awful day against

28:42

Collingwood at the start of

28:44

the year. So this was their next time up. A

28:46

gettable opposition who are

28:49

a little bit banged up at the moment and they put

28:51

them to the sword. So tick, tick that

28:53

box. You need to win at the MCG. But

28:57

my question for you is, let's just say

29:00

this season continues as it is

29:02

for Port. August is what we're being told

29:04

is when the old decisions will be made.

29:06

End of the home and away was what they pegged. Yeah,

29:08

which is an interesting time, isn't it?

29:11

Well, they're now going into

29:14

September, aren't they? Yeah. Does

29:16

it bring it back or push it forward? Well, this

29:19

is what I want to discuss with you. So I want you to sell

29:21

to me that if they think Kenny is the man,

29:24

what would be the likely extension and

29:26

we're talking two years, three years.

29:28

And if that's the case, at what point

29:30

of the season do you say we're signing

29:33

him given that

29:35

you've sort of set a benchmark, even though you

29:37

haven't set the benchmark

29:39

of preliminary final minimums? Yeah,

29:44

I would be interested to go back and

29:46

understand exactly where that came from.

29:49

The end of August said to me

29:52

we'll

29:52

rate our season

29:55

in its entirety, home

29:57

and away, rather than going on and

29:59

then by the way. So that, that, that set the

30:01

threshold for me of being part of the finals, returning

30:03

to the finals after the one year

30:06

out. So you don't think he has

30:08

to get to a certain marker in the final

30:10

series? No, I wouldn't have thought so. So

30:13

here's the thing. I don't know. And

30:15

I don't really understand where that came from. Um,

30:17

there's an unfair question. The notion of having to make

30:20

a preliminary final is a ludicrously high bar.

30:22

Like what you need to know. A preliminary final.

30:24

Yep. Oh no, that's not high bar. You need

30:27

to know they had to know, is this

30:29

team.

30:30

Has that moment passed

30:32

or is this a resurgent team

30:34

that has moved to its new generation that

30:37

much we know already. We know that this

30:39

is butter's team

30:40

and Rosie's team and horn Francis's

30:43

team. I think the first 11 games has answered

30:45

that this is no longer Boke's team or wine's

30:47

team or Charlie's team. So

30:50

I think that was one of the key parameters. And

30:53

then it was.

30:54

One of Ken's parameters. No, one of the

30:57

clubs. Because that the

30:59

old group wasn't going to take them any further. This

31:01

had to be on the new group and the new group

31:03

has picked up the mantle and they have done

31:05

so under

31:07

Ken's outstanding tutelage,

31:09

the connection between player group

31:11

and coach that has to be the, the

31:14

linchpin in deciding is, is he

31:16

still the guy has to be his command

31:19

and relationship over the group.

31:21

And I don't think that's ever been stronger.

31:23

It is, it's Kenny's

31:26

centerpiece of his coaching. I

31:28

think we've visibly seen it through the shop window

31:30

of coming down to the bench and he's

31:32

spoken around. They are playing for him. That, that

31:35

is undeniable. Every key moment, tough

31:37

moment they've faced, they've been able

31:39

to burst through it with that

31:41

clarity, unity and purpose,

31:44

which defines

31:45

teams who are going places. So.

31:49

Interesting. In fact, you don't think he has to make a prelim

31:51

then. No, I don't think. If he bombs

31:53

out second week with this group, this group's

31:55

a special group, Jared,

31:57

this group's only just getting started. I get that.

31:59

But Ken's not just getting started. No.

32:02

Ken's been there 11 years.

32:03

So this is the

32:06

second version of this young group coming

32:08

through. So the blokes you mentioned before,

32:11

they didn't get it done with. So now

32:13

that's a fresh wave. But they made dreams, and that brought in

32:15

the time to reinvent the team.

32:17

They made that critical choice. They failed

32:19

with this model previously. It's

32:21

important that with this

32:23

fresh group of stars that

32:26

they can achieve. Otherwise,

32:28

the question becomes, is Ken

32:30

a non-winner? Is he the guy

32:33

that can take us to the promised land? And

32:35

if he bombs out before a prelim

32:37

through this season, you'd have to question

32:39

that, Jerry. I think coming into the season,

32:42

very few people would have gone to

32:45

meet Parr. Port have got to be in a prelim.

32:47

I wouldn't have said that. No. Because I think

32:50

that's an artificial marker. Yeah. I

32:52

just don't think that's real, and that doesn't actually get

32:54

you. If they don't make a prelim this

32:56

year, Rosie's in the 90-game

32:59

bracket. Butters is in the 70-game

33:01

bracket. And Horn Francis is in the

33:03

20-game bracket. No problem with it. We all get that. This

33:05

is not peak Port Adelaide time. No, but

33:08

he's had that group before, and

33:11

we're talking about, is he the man? So that's

33:13

the question for Koshy. Not really

33:15

where the list is at. The list is

33:17

fine.

33:18

Is this the guy is the question.

33:21

And at some point in the year, so if

33:23

that's the case what you're saying, there's

33:25

no marker in the finals, then when

33:27

should they sign him? Well, I think they should do it

33:30

between, they should do it at the start

33:32

of August. If you think you're in it

33:35

after round 20, in that premiership

33:38

conversation, truly in it, and they'll know by then,

33:40

has there got some pretty stacked games ahead.

33:43

They have one of the harder draws. Bulldogs

33:47

at Marvel, Geelong, Collinwood,

33:51

and then Geelong again. I

33:53

think the emotional uplift

33:56

that goes with, this is happening.

33:59

This is... happening. I would, if

34:01

this continues on this path, I would do it

34:04

at the start of August and let

34:06

it permeate through the group. I think it could

34:08

be a really powerful intangible.

34:12

Can I say that's the side? And I'll do it on

34:14

the basis that this would be a team that's

34:16

graph is going up over the next

34:19

two and three seasons. And once

34:21

you've got the evidence that the graph is going up, I

34:23

think it's there now, but you'll know by round 20,

34:26

that gives you another nine games to add to it.

34:29

Once you're sure that this is locked in,

34:31

that's when I would pull. I

34:33

think they're recruiting is a

34:36

gold medal standard.

34:37

You know, the acquisition of Finlayson,

34:41

and then the trading of Wingard to

34:43

get to get Rosie, the ability

34:45

to get Horn Francis, or the coach

34:47

has a role in all that. So it's hand

34:49

in hand, I get that. But

34:53

what if they don't sign? So just just

34:55

go the other way for a moment. So we get to August,

34:57

there's no news.

34:59

And we get to we see them almost

35:01

starting a final series without any news

35:03

without anything happening with the contract.

35:05

Does that concern you? Would you would

35:07

you be comfortable with them saying, let's just sit on this?

35:11

Yes, but I do think you might you might

35:13

miss a moment in time. But yeah,

35:15

they said they

35:17

committed themselves to the full body of work. So if

35:19

they stay with the full body of work, that that's okay.

35:23

If I was Cauchy, I wouldn't be in a hurry

35:26

to resign. I'd play the year out. Yeah. Do you

35:28

risk losing him if that's the case? Well, if you if you go on

35:30

and have the success you think you're

35:32

going to have, whether that be a preliminary final marker,

35:35

a grand final marker, I don't know what the markers are. I don't know what

35:37

they think this group

35:39

can achieve. That's on them.

35:41

If he does, if he hits those markers and then

35:43

chooses to leave and go coach another club, well, that's okay.

35:45

That's

35:46

okay, because you've sort of set this in

35:48

place at the start of the year. And

35:50

you haven't had that. If you if you

35:52

get to a grand final, win a grand final, he's not going

35:54

to want to leave.

35:55

He'll sign the contract you put in front of you. And in fact,

35:58

it'll probably be the longer contract because

35:59

he's been that coach.

36:01

Is that fair? Yep.

36:03

So I can see that happening quite

36:05

easily.

36:06

Just go and show us you can do it.

36:08

We've backed you for 11 years, so

36:11

don't hold us, don't hold a gun at our

36:13

head. And he's not doing that in any way.

36:15

No, he's not. So I can see it happening both

36:17

ways, the early signature,

36:19

or let's just run it out.

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David King with our means test. Open question.

36:46

Has St Kilda been figured out?

36:48

Yes, well, that's the simple answer

36:51

is yes. And

36:53

when you've got limited talent,

36:55

and that's a reality, and that's why

36:57

Ross has got the job,

36:58

system can only take you so far.

37:01

He found a really good way of winning games early. Teams

37:04

have worked that out pretty quick, and talent doesn't

37:06

then save them. They don't have the

37:09

Connor Rosie and the Zach Butters who can go and win a game

37:11

for them in 10 minutes. They don't. They've

37:13

got to find them, they've got to go back to the draft, they've

37:15

got to do some great trading and some

37:18

free agency love would be more

37:20

than

37:23

warranted or wanted. But without the

37:26

footy right now, they're

37:28

getting gosh.

37:29

So they're bottom four in the comp now over the

37:31

last six weeks for when they don't have

37:33

possession of the footy. That wasn't the case at the start of the

37:35

year. And I would expect Ross to make

37:38

some changes now in the next few weeks. A

37:40

coach who's been so good at defending

37:43

through his whole tenure at Freeman and

37:45

the original St Kilda period

37:48

will go back to some of his own.

37:50

So I think there'll be some there'll

37:53

be some tough love from the senior

37:55

coach to his disciples over the next couple

37:57

of weeks. They got that right as

37:59

a category that

37:59

that's got a few representatives today.

38:02

We will do that next on the means test with David

38:04

King. This is Waitley for host plus and he and a

38:06

Tucson tomorrow's SUV in stock now.

38:09

Waitley on SCN. It's

38:11

a great result. I was just really proud of the

38:13

way we scrapped, um, contest

38:15

to contest and, um,

38:18

one a different style or game to what we've

38:20

been confronted with the last couple of weeks. So

38:24

there was a really mature performance

38:26

where we just hung in there and like I said,

38:28

scrapped and made the most

38:29

of our opportunities, worked

38:32

really hard to get ourselves back into the season, but

38:34

that's all we've done. We haven't achieved anything

38:36

yet. We're not, we're not playing not to lose. We're

38:39

playing to win. So, um, yeah,

38:42

which is a lot of different things

38:44

and it's pretty broad topic, but we've just embraced

38:46

the chaos of the game and understood

38:49

that the next moment is your most important

38:52

moment. And we're treating every, every contest

38:54

and every moment on its merits. And we're not getting

38:56

caught up in outcomes and stuff

38:59

we can't control.

38:59

And there it was. He

39:02

got that right. Justin Longmuir, he

39:04

even said it embraced

39:07

the chaos of the game. This is

39:09

such a good shift

39:11

within season. Such

39:14

a good shift from where they were when

39:16

they presented into the season. And it looked

39:18

like

39:19

they wouldn't amount to much to where

39:21

they are in round 11 with four wins in the bank

39:24

and you can listen to whatever you like,

39:26

but you just had to watch the way they changed

39:29

from after quarter time. I reckon at the SCG

39:31

and embraced the chaos of the game.

39:34

Yeah.

39:35

They've refuted the fact that they've been

39:37

changing or evolving over the last few weeks. But

39:39

if you look at the way they defended last year,

39:42

first half of last year, we kept saying it's fake

39:44

footy. It won't take you to the promised land.

39:47

You can't just chip mark, you

39:49

know, chip the ball around an uncontested mark all day

39:51

and win big games of footy. That's just unrealistic.

39:53

Doesn't happen.

39:54

So now they've evolved, they've embraced chaos.

39:56

This they'll find out how good they are now.

39:59

And I think they've.

39:59

I think they're pretty good. I don't know whether they're there

40:02

this year to be an absolute

40:04

contender. But I'm

40:06

in love with Hayden Young. I mean he's a high-end

40:09

draft pick, I get that. I think he could be a Jordan

40:11

Dawson type player. I'd love to

40:13

see him get a run in the midfield. Big body, damaging

40:16

left leg, wants

40:19

the absolute hardest option every time.

40:21

I like those sort of players and he'd be a goal

40:23

kicker I reckon. So they've got a lot of

40:26

toying to still do with the magnets. Welcome

40:29

aboard. It's good to have him, Jared. And

40:31

let's see what sort of chaos they can create. Not playing

40:34

not to lose, we're playing to win. So it's

40:36

all there in his language.

40:38

And it feels as though

40:41

there was a conversation between leadership group

40:43

and coach at some point in the weeks where

40:45

it didn't look like it was going to amount to anything. And

40:47

I give huge kudos

40:49

to teams who make in-season

40:51

adjustment. You can be stubborn, you

40:54

can wait too long, or you can get on with

40:56

the business and it can't be done in one week. You

40:58

have to have incremental change

41:01

to bid in what you want. But they've betted it before

41:03

the buy, rather than waiting for the buy

41:05

when they might have been out of viability.

41:08

It's a good call. Look, Jackson's

41:10

worth every penny. We saw that on the weekend.

41:12

And whether it's this week or in 10 weeks

41:14

time or in 20 weeks time, he's worth every penny. Interested

41:18

in the game of Nathan Fife. I thought he was significant

41:21

early in that game just to be the big bulldozer

41:23

at clearance. I think he had four

41:25

kicks and 16 handballs or 17 handball, something

41:28

like that.

41:28

The race show was exactly

41:30

how you want it

41:31

with Nathan Fife. So has he accepted

41:34

that

41:34

he's now got better kickers

41:37

around him and using him? Is

41:39

there an issue where he can't kick them out? I'm not sure. Has

41:41

he just not quite got the speed of the game back just

41:43

yet? I don't know, but I'll be tracking that to

41:46

see if he's accepted that

41:48

he's a bit player

41:49

in the total

41:51

scheme. Six and five, they're in

41:54

ninth place. They're going in

41:56

on their trajectory. Now they're going to be

41:58

fearsomely hard to beat at home.

41:59

That's such a valuable win at

42:02

the MCG. Stewart Gee

42:04

had a great few days in

42:06

the they got that right category, fronted

42:09

the speculation, just

42:10

took it all, planted

42:16

his flag, got the

42:18

win. Excellent

42:20

few days for Stewie Gee. Yeah. If

42:23

you don't see it with Gold Coast, you're not

42:25

watching.

42:26

You're just not watching footy. I'm sorry, you can't

42:28

just turn up and watch them live

42:31

once every eight weeks and say, no, he's not doing the

42:33

job.

42:34

You can't. It's here to watch them every week.

42:36

They've taken significant steps

42:38

this year. The way they play

42:40

now is difficult to combat. One

42:43

of the toughest tests in footy is

42:45

coaching against

42:47

Luke Beveridge.

42:48

They change the game all the time. Different

42:50

numbers at stoppage. There might be a half

42:52

forward rolling up, might hold six

42:55

forwards, they might have two half forwards behind the stoppage. They

42:58

bash them.

42:59

Matt Ral had one of the great second

43:01

halves and they made a back

43:03

six of the dogs look really poor in

43:05

patches. Outside of Liam Jones, they

43:07

are so gettable to dogs. So gettable,

43:10

it's not funny.

43:11

It can't be a top team until they finish that. But

43:14

when you're talking about Stewie Gee, and you know

43:16

what, it's time to move him on. We've got Damien Harvick

43:18

there. You can't sack a coach for a system.

43:21

You can't say, oh, we like the way that Damien Harvick

43:23

coaches and the way they play. Let's now,

43:26

let's do that.

43:28

Because you build a football

43:30

club on trust and

43:32

a family environment and that will reward

43:35

performance.

43:37

As a coach, I think he's performing. You

43:39

can't just say, see you later. Because then five

43:42

minutes later, he'd be telling the players, hey, we want loyalty.

43:44

Can you sign this long-term contract? Hey,

43:46

we got to stick fat together. We got to trust in one

43:48

another. We got, hey, listen, come and hear your vulnerabilities

43:51

to the group

43:52

and then sack the coach

43:54

when he's performing. So I don't understand the conversation.

43:56

I never have around Sacking Stuart too.

43:59

Let the.

43:59

let it run its course

44:01

and then if the performances aren't there and the

44:04

wins aren't there eventually it gets

44:06

you but you got to look a bit deeper than that

44:08

don't you? These were two big weeks in Darwin and

44:10

to nail the first one down and

44:12

they had to win it again late that was the bit I

44:15

most liked about it Well they had to beat

44:17

two teams on the weekend Jerry. Yeah. That

44:19

umpire was horrific. Horrific.

44:22

The 50 was just a disgrace. Interventionist

44:25

umpiring. Just stand there watch

44:27

what happened. Imagine they got rolled. Take a deep breath.

44:30

Yeah this is you know I guess

44:32

part of the curse of Gold Coasters

44:35

it would have been a talking point but it

44:37

wouldn't have been in the inferno that it might have

44:39

been elsewhere but yeah some of what was going

44:41

on there was... Jerry would you be disappointed... If

44:44

they do as we think they

44:46

should do in the back half of the year not fall away

44:48

just just do what they've done the first half in

44:50

the back half and get to 10, 11, 12 wins

44:53

it

44:54

can't be moving on Stuart you.

44:57

The dogs were... they left

45:01

the last of the four and the 20 points on

45:03

the table. I know they let you down. Oh

45:06

this felt like the worst bit of looking at me. You had

45:08

the trumpet ready to go this week. They're

45:11

on here. First three goals. They have

45:13

to have a look and I've said this before they

45:16

have to have a look at Aaron

45:18

Norton down back with Liam Jones just

45:21

for a week or two see what it looks like.

45:23

They're not going to win the flag with what they do on offense.

45:25

They're not going to win the flag because Aaron Norton blows

45:28

you away in the forward half. He's going to kick 21 goals for

45:30

the year and

45:31

four of those were against Hawthorn I think. I

45:35

shouldn't have thrown that out. He had a bag

45:37

of four so he's not he's not dominating the scoreboard

45:40

so can you have a look at just Lob and Jamara

45:42

down there whose playing some pretty good footy and

45:45

then cobble together a forward six

45:47

maybe use Bontz and Pelly forward a bit more. Can

45:49

you look at that whilst you go with those

45:52

two pillars down back

45:54

because

45:55

in simple terms the

45:57

other tools are not up to

45:59

high level footy.

47:59

They were lucky to win that game, Jared. When you look at the numbers,

48:03

let's just sort of say that for a second, but

48:05

against the high quality opponent, sometimes you

48:07

need a little bit of luck. They

48:09

got the spark players, the match winners, the

48:11

forward line works beautifully, the midfield's

48:13

going okay.

48:15

I still worry about their

48:17

back six a little bit, but

48:20

he's doing some wonderful things, the coach.

48:22

He's having an outstanding season. Can

48:25

they win it?

48:25

I'm not sure they can win it, but I

48:28

mean, can they get to a top four? It'll be

48:30

line ball, I reckon.

48:31

You've got to win a couple of games against the odds.

48:34

And this one next week, whilst it doesn't

48:36

read

48:37

as a big game for

48:39

them, the Suns in Darwin is

48:41

a big game for them. Yeah. I think

48:44

leaping progression would be to finish

48:47

fifth or sixth and host them elimination final

48:49

and make sure you bed that down, like on trajectory.

48:52

Get crows. Their biggest task

48:54

is to get Mason Reben signature at the end

48:56

of the year. Right, yes. Their biggest task. All

48:59

right, the seedings to bring home the

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49:07

If you heard Tom Morris on breakfast this morning,

49:09

he told you that director Craig Matheson was

49:11

resigning from the Carlton board. That story

49:13

has been confirmed by the club and Robbo's

49:15

put a layer of detail around a bust up in

49:17

the Carlton rooms after Friday night's loss. Matheson

49:20

was openly vocal in the rooms about

49:22

his anger, which prompted

49:24

the president, Luke Sayers, to step

49:27

in. Jared, you

49:29

don't want your board members thinking they know the

49:31

game.

49:33

Play your role. Don't come

49:35

questioning game day stuff in

49:37

the rooms. That's just not

49:39

on. Seedings for tyre

49:42

power, tipping winners on tyre

49:44

safety all season. Who are you

49:46

gonna put it for? For's, you dropped

49:48

Melbourne out of your seedings last week. Kudos

49:50

to you. What are you gonna do it for?

49:53

I'm bringing them in.

49:54

I'm bringing

49:56

the new, the new

49:59

Fremantle football. club in at four. I

50:02

like what they've done with the game plan

50:04

and giving their talent an opportunity. They've

50:07

got good talent there.

50:08

They're trusting them now. I like it. They get rewarded.

50:11

They're in. I can't bring myself

50:13

to drop Melbourne out. I should,

50:16

but I haven't. I

50:17

can't quite come at Adelaide or Fremantle

50:20

just yet. And the Bulldogs would have gone

50:22

in if they'd finished their 20 point run, but

50:24

not to be. Oh, you're angry with him. Get

50:27

in the corner for a little while. Three. What

50:29

will it do to get Fremantle? What do they need to do

50:31

to get into you? Is there a playing game down the path?

50:34

At three, you look that up. Oh, at

50:36

three, I've got Port Adelaide. Um, seriously

50:39

talented, particularly that midfield, the way that butters

50:42

and Rosie explode is, is

50:44

hard not to fall in love with. My

50:46

only concern is,

50:48

is it

50:49

all a leer and leer behind the ball?

50:51

If you defeat a leer, you defeat Port Adelaide.

50:53

That's a little asterisk. Yeah. Port

50:56

three for me.

50:58

If Fremantle go on a 20 point

51:00

run,

51:04

they go Richmond Giants Essendon

51:06

Bulldogs at Marvel Carlton, 20 point

51:09

run into

51:10

the seedings for the Dockers. I'm taking Fremantle

51:12

out of my four. Two.

51:16

Brisbane and the Pies. Won

51:18

the Pies.

51:19

Pretty settled the Pies, aren't they? Yeah.

51:22

Craig McRae's not going to rest players. Okay.

51:25

He's not going to menage players, Jared. I

51:27

would like to hear that he's resting a couple. It's

51:30

a long year. Yeah, they've got a bit to go

51:32

before they're by. They'll be 11 and

51:34

one. And 11 and one's the historic

51:36

marker, isn't it? It is.

51:39

What does 11 teams have done that this century?

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