Billy and Jesse interview Maziar Ghaderi, producer of the documentary film The Rise of Jordan Peterson, about the many ideas Peterson has scattered around the internet, what value they have, whether or not we should trust the messenger and why its so hard to have a nuanced conversation about him. We throw a bunch of questions at Maz. Did Peterson cynically use a general misunderstanding of the trans community to fuel his rise? Or was he tapping into a legitimate discomfort around language policing? Does he make good points about the dangers of putting too much focus on group identity? Is he right that we need to clean our own rooms before criticizing the world? Or are his arguments just disguised defenses of a status quo that he benefits from?    

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OUR GUEST: 

Maziar Ghaderi 

The Rise of Jordan Peterson https://www.justwatch.com/ca/movie/the-rise-of-jordan-peterson 

Maz’s Personal Site: https://maziart.ca/ 

Maz and Patricia Marcoccia’s Production Company: https://www.holdingspacefilms.com/  

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SOURCES 

Bernard Schiff: “I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous” https://outline.com/Ef7wGR 

“Confessions of a Lobster Fangurl” https://digital-fantastic.com/2021/05/08/confessions-of-a-lobster-fangurl-how-i-shed-my-shell/ 

ContraPoints: “Jordan Peterson” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqZdkkBDas 

Jordan Peterson YT Channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/JordanPetersonVideos 

Patricia Marcoccia: “What’s So Unethical About My Jordan Peterson Movie?” https://unherd.com/2019/10/whats-so-unethical-about-my-jordan-peterson-movie/ 

Nathan Robinson: “The Intellectual We Deserve” https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve 

Brittany King: “Dear Jordan Peterson” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeJlHHatT3E   

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ABOUT WHERE IS NOW   

On each episode of Where Is Now, Billy and Jesse take turns crafting a  case for the impact of an individual on our world, while the other host  listens, learns and fires back. With equal parts rigour, vigour and  trigger, Billy and Jesse weave their way through archival clips, warm  takes, and belly laughs in a sincere attempt to better understand  themselves and the society surrounding them.  

HOSTS   

BILLY BUNTIN is an animator, multimedia artist, and event host with a degree in ethics.  

www.billybuntin.com  IG/FB: billy.buntin  T: @BillyBDigital   

JESSE FREESTON is a documentary filmmaker, shooter/editor, and comedy performer with a degree in political science and economics. www.jessefreeston.com  IG/FB: jessefreeston  T: @jessefreeston