4:00

Awesome, and the songs telling me like I

4:02

don't have to drink to do drugs They fit in like at

4:04

13 years old. I was like I'm never trying anything And

4:07

I never did 53. It's amazing

4:09

kind of crazy, right? I saw this

4:11

meme on like Instagram. It's

4:13

like some people Solve

4:16

their emotional problems through music and

4:19

that's totally who I was too as a

4:21

teenager. I found the cure I found Jack

4:24

Sistles Joy Division Bauhaus and all these

4:26

you know English or 80s bands and

4:28

I connected and And

4:30

I couldn't express what was going on inside

4:32

of me But these these singers these people

4:35

could and it saved my life, you

4:37

know, they're like, whoa, my yeah I

4:39

don't understand people that don't have these deep emotional connections

4:41

to music or somebody don't listen to

4:44

music bugs me out I had

4:46

somebody turn my pockets maybe I'm listening music. I'm like for real

4:48

like what are you listening to? You change

4:50

my life. I've like I probably the

4:52

most band tattoos on my body I've Robert

4:54

Smith tattooed on my body Prince tattooed on

4:56

my body Madonna tattoo of everything cold place

4:58

cold place My favorite bands. I'm crazy, but

5:00

um, I Love

5:02

music. It's just everything about music. I stopped

5:04

eating beat 1988 because of music because of

5:06

punk rock and animal rights and I

5:09

just went on this path of just like

5:12

being young till I die. I guess I don't know. Yeah,

5:14

well, not the Peter Pan shit Thank you. Thank

5:16

you Yeah, I just I

5:19

live I live my lyrics. I live the music I

5:21

grew up on. I'm still a big kid. I still

5:23

skate That's cool. How's

5:25

that it in your 50s? Cuz I know Tony is

5:27

like Tony Hawk has not slowed down. Well true story

5:29

I had a knee brace on up until an hour

5:32

ago. I I slammed

5:35

Mike from liquid death has that has a half-pipe and I

5:37

went to his house and skated shelter Mike's a sorry or

5:39

whatever and Homie and I draw

5:41

I've been skating there for a couple weeks and trying

5:43

to get back on my 80s tricks But I slammed

5:45

on it on a rock and roll on Saturday. I

5:47

couldn't walk Saturday and Sunday I was like, oh my

5:49

god to this podcast so I was

5:51

putting in the coal plunge every day and It

5:54

worked and today I took my knee brace off because last

5:56

night I got called into the secret room at

5:58

LAS to take my pants down because

6:00

my knee brace is going off through the... Oh,

6:03

that's what you mean. It's been happening my whole life and

6:05

I was like, I was so cool about it, I thought

6:07

I'd be more shook, but they brought me the room and

6:09

took my pants down, and set off my knee brace, showed

6:12

it to them, because I was having an alarm. But anyway,

6:14

I took it off saying walking, but I'm still skating, yes

6:16

it's harder. Tony Hawk's the God. But

6:19

I love skateboarding still, I don't know. I do

6:21

too, I never, I mean I tried

6:23

as a girl. I think back then

6:25

I was just admiring of skaters. Yeah.

6:28

I love skater culture. I love punk

6:30

rock culture too. And I think it

6:32

resonated with me because it's DIY, which

6:35

I love this idea of, probably the

6:38

Sex Pistols couldn't play a fucking instrument,

6:40

right? Facts. And it was

6:42

based on a fashionist setting, right? Like Vivian

6:44

Westwood and Johnny Leiden, or, oh yeah.

6:46

Yeah, Johnny Leiden, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's

6:48

like, well let's just start a band that fits these clothes.

6:51

And you're like, wait, what? It is kinda crazy. And

6:54

then, right, but then they created this

6:56

voice of this generation, these poor boys,

6:59

they couldn't find jobs or whatever, everybody's poor in England, and then, right,

7:03

and then it trickles into New York. Dude,

7:06

Iggy Pop, Blue Jays, all that.

7:08

Yeah. But it's crazy that

7:10

they were put together and it sounded so good, it didn't seem forced

7:12

to me. No. And

7:14

I didn't know that as a kid, I had the Never Mind the Box

7:17

A-track. Oh my God. But

7:19

then you realize later, wow, they were put together. It's not like a

7:21

boy, I guess like a boy band in a sense. I don't wanna

7:24

say that, but. Yes, it was meant

7:26

to be, well yeah, Johnny Lydon was

7:28

the, right, well no, am I thinking

7:30

there's someone else? The Vicious Johnny

7:32

Lydon. Who's a guy, just great, who created that? Oh

7:34

yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it's a guy. The manager, yeah.

7:36

Yeah, not Stephen Cook, that's a guy. No, no, what's

7:38

the manager's name? He's like

7:41

the mastermind behind this, but then it

7:43

kinda, McLaren. Yes. Yeah.

7:46

He created it. Yeah, but then it becomes

7:48

a movement, it becomes this real thing, and

7:50

then you have actual, well, I don't know,

7:52

other bands like Clash coming in. The

7:54

Ramones. The Ramones are, I mean. And

7:57

they're so simple, right? They just have these.

8:00

four chords, whatever, yeah. Just their

8:02

look too is just like, cause you used

8:04

to punk me like Mohawks and Spikes, they just had

8:06

like jeans on and like leather jackets

8:08

and like the haircuts, it's like, what is this

8:10

shit? But it's so good.

8:13

Well, cause you can see that it's influenced by the 1950s. Yeah.

8:17

They're like, we're gonna wear matching outfits and

8:19

it's really simple and catchy and then, but

8:21

it's still rad. Yeah. But

8:23

I love rebellion, I love this idea that you can

8:25

just pick up an instrument, learn it, fucking do

8:28

it, just fucking do it. Yeah, I'm not

8:30

a trained singer. Are you? No,

8:33

hell no. You told me how did you start? Cause I was

8:35

a roadie at first, I was behind the scenes for a couple of years

8:37

and then I was like, I started like writing

8:39

in a journal, like taking notes, like I have something to say too,

8:41

this is awesome, I don't want to just be the, kind

8:43

of background, I love all these bands, why

8:45

can I sing? Which I don't think I'm

8:48

a singer, but I started a band, it was

8:50

kind of a joke and it became, now I'm

8:52

celebrating 30 years next year, the band, it's like,

8:54

it's been my life, it's crazy man. It's wild.

8:57

I know. It's so cool. It's never really,

8:59

it's crazy about punk rock because people think it's

9:01

like, because of the year punk broke in

9:03

94, offspring in Green Day

9:05

and all these bands, which helped all of us, it

9:07

trickled down to us, you thought punk was a sellout

9:09

and all this shit, but punk is still very underground

9:11

and still a very, an interesting

9:13

world. Like the

9:16

fact that I'm in the band 30 years and we never

9:18

had a hit song or like on the radio or a

9:20

lot of MTV and stuff like that, and we still, people

9:22

still care. Because there's people that

9:24

still like, check the history of the music.

9:28

It's really pretty amazing. And punk rock is still

9:30

like, people ask you what

9:32

you do, what do you do, I'm in the band, what do

9:34

you sound like? What's hardcore, what is that? Well, it's not as

9:37

hard as Metallica, it's not as poppy as

9:39

Green Day, it's so in the mood. People don't understand the

9:41

word hardcore, or just even today, like just talking about it.

9:44

I don't know. Yeah, I sing in a punk band,

9:46

dude. Just going to my son's school and feeding, like

9:48

you have to serve at a school and you was a kid, they

9:50

call me Tattoo Man, I'm just serving lunch with the kids, like, what

9:53

is your weird ass dad doing? He's just like a cow

9:55

and a pig on his hand. That's

9:57

the weird thing is, look, when you're a parent too.

10:00

because you are a parent, your son is grown, he's 20.

10:03

But being in society, it's just weird. Because

10:06

touring is fantasy. That's not the real life. And then

10:08

you get back and you have to like, I

10:11

used to walk in the door from a tour, and my wife's like, here's your son, you've

10:13

been gone for six weeks, it's your turn. Next day

10:16

I'm doing daddy duties, it's back to reality.

10:19

But isn't that lovely? It's incredible, yeah.

10:21

Because it's grounding. I remember- Oh, I love that.

10:24

I was getting ready to film my last

10:26

special, and they're glamming me up, putting all

10:28

this stupid makeup on. And I

10:31

remember thinking to myself, in a matter of hours,

10:33

I'm gonna be wiping somebody's ass. Oh, I'm gonna

10:35

be too. Less than 12 hours. I'll be doing

10:37

auditions. Yeah, I'm not doing it. But I love

10:39

that. I do too. I've been married

10:41

27 years, so I'm very blessed. My wife lets

10:43

me still run around and be a big kid.

10:45

That's great. And now my son's playing with me,

10:47

he's traveled his whole life. My wife's just pregnant

10:49

on tour, she was

10:52

conceived on tour, all this crazy shit. My

10:54

son was conceived on tour, yeah. It's wild,

10:56

my life has just been touring. That's

10:59

the one thing I want. So let me talk to you about that. There's

11:02

a documentary I saw- I know

11:04

exactly what you're gonna say. Aging punk rockers. There's

11:06

that one there's punk rock dads too, yeah, yeah. Yeah, where

11:08

you're these poor guys who signed record deals early,

11:10

and then now they're in their 50s and their

11:12

60s, and they're still having a tour to make

11:15

money. And I'm like, that sucks because

11:17

the punk rock ethic is like, you should be

11:19

poor, you shouldn't have that. And it's like- You

11:21

should never make it. Yeah, but I love the

11:23

dead Kennedys. I want the dead Kennedys to have

11:25

money. I want the bad brains to be living

11:27

in the mansions. Stuff like

11:29

that. I love bad brains. If there's this

11:31

weird shit about punk rockers, it's like, no,

11:35

we only love you and you played to 10 people in

11:37

our basement, New Jersey. And then the minute

11:39

you have success, they're like, no, you're a seller. It's

11:41

like, don't you want your favorite band to do this

11:43

forever? The end beef. Don't you want them to inspire

11:45

the world? It's like, I never understood that. But

11:47

I get it, when a band you love before anybody else

11:49

loves and they blow up, you're like, I heard them first,

11:52

and shit like that. It's like, but they're not yours. I

11:55

like their first album. Yeah, I

11:58

hate that shit. We had a t-shirt that said, like, only like a... first

12:00

album. But yeah, like you want, yeah,

12:03

I want all these people to be chilling. These people

12:05

didn't inspire me and change lives, you know? It's like,

12:07

the Ramones are most, there's only a couple alive and

12:09

then like, we're only still into killing it. And

12:12

I never wanted to have to have to do the

12:14

band for money. Like we still, I hang

12:16

out with my band. We talk every day. There's so many

12:18

bands don't even talk to each other. Like these are my brothers.

12:20

Like my brother and I literally started the band. My brother

12:22

moved on to the offspring now. He's been in that band for

12:24

like 15 years. But like, we

12:27

love each other. It's our family. So it's like, we do it because we

12:29

love it. We don't do it because we have to. At

12:31

one point, yeah, we're making money in the nineties and

12:33

shit like that. But like now it's just like, we're

12:36

going to do a week tour or weekends. I love

12:38

that. Yeah. And we still have fun. We still, I

12:40

still, I still believe these lyrics. It's crazy. They're on

12:42

53. I still, I don't

12:44

know. I just, I love what I think about it. Still

12:46

me. Well, you're, you're not preaching,

12:48

you know, negative stuff. You're pushing

12:50

like super posy. Yeah. Yeah. It's like

12:52

uplifting. Yeah. But you can still like dive

12:55

and like fucking mash to it. You can

12:58

get aggressive to it, but like, yeah, I've always loved, I

13:00

don't know. There's enough anger and crazy shit in the

13:02

world to like add to that.

13:05

I agree. There's enough poison. Yeah.

13:07

I add more negativity to

13:09

things. And I always try to be

13:11

of service to

13:13

others, even in, it sounds so corny, but you

13:15

know, like you don't just want to like constantly

13:17

just be shitting on things. You do want to

13:19

provide an alternative, which I really like what you do

13:22

too. It's like, well, no, like here's what's wrong with the

13:24

world. But like, Hey, you know, you

13:26

can do, you can do cool shit. Like

13:28

you can make cool things and help people.

13:30

Yeah. Cause that's the punk rock. I didn't like

13:32

like to destroy everything and everything. And then, okay,

13:34

now what? Now we can do a fix it. And

13:37

that's why I get into like, you know, animal

13:39

rights and all, just all that stuff, just straight

13:41

edge and everything. Just like going totally against the

13:43

grain and not doing what everybody's doing. And like,

13:46

I feel like at 53, I'm still the same

13:48

person and I have these ethics and these morals

13:50

that I've gotten from the eighties that I still,

13:52

you know, my son's never tried

13:54

anything. He's 20 And I don't, I Don't

13:56

preach to him about nothing. He Just, he saw it. He

13:58

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19:12

good. Him or thrash really aren't. You. Know anything

19:14

about? Yeah, I think we're similar in

19:16

this way is that we're both like

19:18

these pre. But now people in our

19:20

prime seemingly guide the has been that

19:23

I've had for twenty years. I got

19:25

my family's I actually have a very

19:27

structured boundary existence and then allows me

19:29

to be safe in the creative world.

19:31

You know to me than I can

19:33

go at the club and make jokes

19:35

about fucking pronoun people are trans, whatever

19:37

the fuck. I'm talking about right now. Yeah,

19:39

Because. I know that's crazy town, but then I

19:42

can retreat and. So many Mother was yeah

19:44

yes we get yourself an amazing support

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system to at home as well. Yeah

19:48

against yeah. That said, that has some

19:50

important yeah. To. Have that balance the

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dancing in the Us sales. I. Just.

19:54

leaving for one day on like com and this

19:56

my wife and sons of marxism disease is widows

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around me crazy But now I'm leaving

20:00

for like 24 hours and then I was texting from the

20:03

plane like the flights great Must me and

20:05

my son have problems with flying. We hate flying and it's

20:07

like great flight and I don't know it's just It's

20:10

interesting how the balance is so important it is

20:12

if I'd be doing the same shit. I if I didn't have Amazing

20:16

wife for that many years and the best friend

20:18

and all this stuff I think I'd

20:20

be doing because people like if you grow up with

20:22

chaos and it sounds like you you know your dad

20:24

dying young You can go the other

20:26

way real quick. It's true. I couldn't went

20:28

to totally way Yeah, my didn't my

20:30

brothers Party pretty hard and

20:33

they're pretty good now They have kids and married and

20:35

I think just so drink but like yeah,

20:37

I couldn't went totally insane But punk rock

20:39

and skateboarding and it really fucking save

20:41

me man. Yeah Definitely

20:44

have some trauma. I just started going to therapy for the first

20:46

time I'm gonna trust in my whole life my

20:48

whole family's ever been in therapy just me right now me

20:50

too congrats Yeah, you're breaking the cycle. I

20:52

am it's a big deal and now they're kind of

20:54

asking me. How is it? I'm gonna do yeah, my

20:57

brothers are I'm just saying cuz like Just

20:59

having had a weird thing no closure my dad passing.

21:01

I was too young It's like my mom had to

21:03

protect us and didn't go to the funeral that stuff

21:05

and I write songs about it I've been singing about

21:07

it for years. I feel like that's been my therapy,

21:09

but like once you talk to somebody It's like well

21:11

the layers and stuff. It's crazy. It's

21:13

crazy, dude And it's interesting you say that even

21:16

so how sorry how did your father pass

21:18

it a rear heart condition? He was like 33. Oh

21:20

fuck It's

21:22

so bananas and so when my each time my two

21:24

brothers reached age Oh my god, I get my heart

21:27

checked at 33. We all made it through like obviously

21:29

but yeah, it's pretty pretty wild And

21:31

Mike he came home. He was

21:33

having chest pains at work I remember was at my aunt's

21:35

house and my mom was working he laid on the bed

21:37

He's like I remember like something's wrong my dad. He

21:39

went to the hospital. He came back. It's crazy Wow

21:43

Super crazy man, like I'll get emo right now talking

21:45

about it Yeah, I definitely have some problems with it,

21:47

but talking about it and singing about it Like this

21:49

is this is sick I can write these songs about

21:51

it and get it out But then you

21:53

become a dad and then there's no dad to

21:55

reach out to and say hey, man We need to be fish, you know to the

21:57

ball game and this and that like We kind

21:59

of That was crazy. That's a whole different

22:02

I became super emo. I'm like totally went from hardcore

22:04

to emo Your

22:07

goth can I just cried about every

22:09

commercial every movie and just like could

22:11

you you you really didn't have a

22:13

physical? I mean who knows what your

22:16

childhood could have been you don't even

22:18

know who you could have been I could with the mill it's

22:20

like my uncle's always you should go to military She was trying

22:22

to get me and my brothers to go military and I'm like

22:25

And I moved to New York like 17 years old

22:28

by myself. It's like I'm moving to New York. I'm

22:30

gonna support this scene I love this. I love CBGBs

22:32

like I dropped up at CBGBs. I'm like that's where

22:34

my life began pretty much Please

22:37

you're like I love this. I feel like I

22:39

could if I were a boy I probably would

22:41

have been similar cuz like yeah, I

22:43

love I love everything. It's like

22:45

my vibe. I'd be a skater Yeah,

22:48

tatted up. I try to be my goal is to be a

22:50

pro skater. I got in thrasher in 83 The

22:53

freestyle skater and then I got my first

22:55

girlfriend was a wrap and skateboard I hope

22:58

for their girls ruin everything And

23:00

I gave up skating. I was like they moved to New

23:02

York And it was really not much skating in there the

23:04

Brooklyn bangs a couple mini rams, but

23:06

like that's Cali though I know and now

23:08

I'm like reborn like skating again like my

23:10

son's a ripper. He's a street skater. Yeah

23:13

That's I don't know. I love California. What

23:16

an insult. It's funny you say that What? You're

23:19

singing about your dad. Isn't that so so I

23:21

have mommy issues my mother was schizophrenic and so

23:23

I never had a mom and I'm

23:26

gonna start crying Hey, it's

23:28

you know that everyone see this is why I talk

23:30

about therapy But my

23:33

therapist is always like, you

23:35

know being creative is the highest form

23:37

of dealing with your emotional stuff I

23:39

agree and you don't have to be

23:42

a professional punk rock singer or comedian

23:44

you can paint you can do

23:47

Fucking poetry you can garden whatever do

23:49

something creative. It takes and works Yeah,

23:52

yeah to get that to sublimate

23:54

that out the sadness But

23:56

I don't know like now because I've been a

23:58

therapy for a minute like okay 17

24:01

years. Wow. Yeah, and like

24:03

dude, what's wild is like It's

24:06

like an onion right like the first layer

24:08

of just accepting what happened to

24:10

you like really really letting it Metabolized

24:13

like wow that was wild that

24:15

was a trip. Huh? Yeah that

24:17

happened. Okay. Well, how do

24:20

I feel about it? Yeah, and then

24:22

you really start to sink into the

24:24

feelings of it, which I couldn't identify a

24:26

feeling in therapy for five years That's how fucking

24:28

shut off I was Wow I

24:31

didn't have a feeling because I my mom was crazy

24:33

my dad's an alcoholic so I was never mirrored You

24:35

know, you teach your kid how to deal with stuff

24:37

like how your bum dude What's going on? Tell me

24:39

my what you feeling someone folks do at school. They

24:42

tell me about it. Yeah, I didn't get that like

24:44

Yeah Same was

24:46

so emotionally connected to our children that

24:48

communication that I never had. Yeah, so

24:50

important It's so important and even so

24:52

I get the question a lot like

24:54

well How do you mother when you

24:56

were never mothered and it's

24:58

such a deep thing? Cuz I

25:00

think the real question for me is like I felt like

25:02

a space alien Cuz I just

25:04

felt like such a freak, you know, like when your

25:06

mom's wet talking to walls and shit and like You

25:09

know, so how do you like teach someone to be a

25:12

normal person when you're fucking definitely not? Person

25:15

so I just felt so defective. Mmm. Like how

25:17

am I gonna be? Loving

25:19

to somebody but then you know you

25:21

have it in you, you know, you're not definitely have

25:23

it in you broken You you're still a human

25:26

you're still intact. You have to trust that instinct,

25:28

you know Yeah, I didn't have like obviously

25:31

my mom loved us and she raised us and had food

25:33

on her table But she was working like three jobs and

25:36

I god, you know She changed smoke

25:38

Virginia swims and maybe my clothes and like cigarettes

25:40

or if we had someone her face You lick

25:42

her finger rub it up your face and your faces But

25:49

like and then yeah, I just

25:51

I'm the most emo dad my wife's like

25:53

more tougher Chicago, you know, I mean should

25:55

just have a good balance. But like yeah,

25:58

but just that communication like this We

26:00

always say we love each other. My family is very like just

26:03

my son would text me from school and say hey The kids

26:05

are skipping ninth period. Can I skip ninth period? I'm like, of

26:07

course nobody's texting their parents asking them that No

26:10

We talk about everything. There's this total trust We're

26:12

like he never he never he would never

26:14

lie to us because we know exactly where he is What

26:17

he's doing. We trust him He's a designated

26:19

driver for his friends in high school because he

26:21

didn't drink like we have not that's good communication

26:23

because if if you don't trust your kids

26:25

and they know don't trust them then There's

26:28

gonna wild out I think it's just that it's

26:30

just that bond it's that so important and I

26:32

have that bond My son still lives at home.

26:34

That's kind of the thing now kids are living

26:36

at home later in life And I'm like a

26:38

pandemic. I'm like, we're gonna fucking afford him in

26:40

LA anyway. Yeah, so expensive. Well, and and you

26:42

know, I think that really It

26:45

delayed everybody's life by a few

26:48

years. That's a good point Yeah, yeah, but

26:50

I'm like I can I'm like the emptiness

26:52

syndrome kind of thing Like he's the only kid like what's gonna

26:54

happen? He moves out walk by his bedroom Like I

26:56

get so emo thinking about but like he can't

26:59

afford moving or he's showing he has a job and stuff But

27:01

it's just like it's a different world for sure it is

27:03

different world and what is wrong? Um

27:05

with supporting your kids. Yeah past 18.

27:07

It's so it's only a very American

27:09

concept that like oh 18

27:12

get the fuck out dummy and you're like, but

27:14

I'm broke. Yeah, figure it out It's like yeah,

27:17

but then you're just gonna make bad decisions out

27:19

of desperation Because no

27:21

one's helping you like what is this shit?

27:23

Why not have parents that help you out?

27:26

Get you on your feet and your kids were

27:28

resenting you. Yeah, I got kicked out when I was 17

27:30

So did I my mother like what did mean

27:32

it you turn 18 you're out and I was like bye bitch.

27:34

I'll see it 17 I was like get

27:36

me the fuck out of here. Yeah Yeah, I

27:39

kind of wanted to go at that moment because my

27:41

mom had like this crazy redneck boyfriend He was like

27:43

skinning squirrels. We lived in southern Maryland because mom had

27:46

a job there. It was dead squirrels in the garage

27:49

And I moved in with my girlfriend who I quit

27:51

skateboarding for I moved into her attic of her parents

27:54

I was out of the clean their pool and stuff

27:56

was so weird, but um, yeah,

27:58

my mom kicked me out too And I'll never I would do that to

28:00

my kid. But that was a different time, I get it. But like,

28:02

I don't know. It

28:05

made this a resentment, I don't know. I mean this

28:07

book, it's like grandchildren of

28:09

alcoholic grandparents or something. That's the book

28:11

my therapist gave me. Grandchildren,

28:13

each generational alcoholism is dealing

28:15

with. I didn't even thought about

28:17

that. Like how my mom was treated by her father.

28:20

And how abusive my grandfather was to my grandma and did shit

28:23

like that and stuff I didn't really know. And

28:26

the thing about paling back to his life is it's kind of scary.

28:28

I'm like, what if I find out something, I never knew, I don't

28:30

know. Me too. That's the thing about it, it's like do I want

28:32

to know that? I live my whole life without knowing that. You

28:36

know what I mean? I'm like, what if I've

28:38

repressed the worst memory ever?

28:41

I know, I know, but here's what my shrink told

28:43

me. And she's like,

28:45

well, I go, what if I fucking remember

28:47

something that I'll just have to be institutionalized?

28:50

And she's like, then we'll institutionalize you, you'll be

28:52

okay, like we'll take care of you. No,

28:54

but like the point being like you'll be cared for, you're

28:56

not gonna fall apart, don't worry. You'll

28:59

be okay. But still. You'll be okay.

29:01

You've survived the worst already, like you've already lived

29:03

through whatever the hell it is. You've

29:06

already lived through it. So remembering it is

29:08

just dealing with the feelings and you can

29:10

handle your feelings now. Yeah,

29:12

that's what the shrink tells me. Let go, it's cool

29:14

to go to therapy and talk about it. Fucking finally.

29:16

And be open with your feelings and be honest about

29:18

who the fuck you are and what you're dealing with

29:20

and not like, portray some fake image of, I

29:23

don't know, it's interesting. It's a, that's- Just keep it 100%

29:25

real, you know what I mean? Yeah, and

29:27

I do like this about Gen Z. Look, there's

29:29

not a lot, I don't give

29:32

a fuck about your pronouns. Sorry, it's never gonna

29:34

happen. I don't like the baristas at Starbucks, they're

29:36

rude as shit. But I

29:39

like this openness and I like the

29:41

idea that yes, gender, you're not just

29:43

a boy or a girl now. You can be a

29:45

little, you know, if you're like a gay kid, you don't

29:47

feel like you wanna fucking kill yourself, which is cool. And

29:50

yeah, they have feelings now. You can

29:52

speak about it and talk to people about it and

29:55

not keep it inside. Which a lot of people did

29:57

in our generation, probably kept shit bottled up and then

29:59

exploded and whatever. Or you fucking marry a

30:01

straight woman and you ruin her life. That's

30:03

what happens I'll be afraid to tell your parents

30:05

imagine if you can tell your parents like who

30:08

you love what you I know That's I would never

30:10

especially cuz I feel like gayness is so junior

30:12

varsity now You're just like oh you're

30:14

gay. So what I have a back in our day. It

30:16

was a big deal Yeah, just like having to

30:18

hide from your parents. That's That's

30:21

a no communication thing though Like if you if you were

30:23

in I don't know I guess it was

30:25

kind of cool like to hide things back then and be

30:27

like rebellious child against your parents depending wait childhood was like

30:29

I don't know I hate my mom I didn't

30:31

hate my mom. I had definitely had some resentment but like

30:34

She did her best. You know, I'm alive. I'm here, you know,

30:36

I made it through all that shit and became

30:39

my dad I tried to be the best dad. I

30:41

can not perfect but I'm still learning is 20 like

30:43

everything changes He's on the dating apps now and all

30:45

this shit. It's just like that's crazy. It's crazy Isn't

30:47

that fucking so funny? Cuz

30:49

I talked to people dating on the apps

30:52

now, too And could you even imagine now

30:54

like that and then like somehow just shows

30:56

up and such your day and that's it I

30:59

was talking to my son as I kept taking second today.

31:01

We take it to the movie You

31:04

meet you in person first in real life first we

31:07

meet and then we see there's a camera

31:09

string Yeah, I hang out again. Maybe go to movies get

31:11

some food. Yeah, but now it's just like those apps like

31:16

Dude I was watching like this

31:18

BBC show yesterday, you know, it's like castles

31:21

and manners and like You know, like I

31:23

love I love this idea. I pretend that

31:25

I'm posh, you know I like why

31:27

these these shows and I imagine I have tacked

31:29

and and I'm just English As

31:33

a guy that the Lord says to the lady

31:36

Might I call on you sometime and

31:38

my husband's there and he's like what fucking gay

31:40

shit are you watching? And I'm like, no, no,

31:42

just watch I go. He asked her may I

31:44

call on you? Meaning may I just show up

31:47

at your home? sometime and

31:49

maybe we could stroll through the garden

31:51

and that's how they get to know each other and I'm

31:53

like Wow, how far have we come? My

31:56

night call on you like an old-school booty

31:58

call or something That's

32:01

how he did it back in the day. Might I call on

32:03

you? Now kids don't talk on the phone because

32:05

it's too personal. That's different.

32:08

Wow. And we have, my house

32:10

is all 1950s, so I live with I Love Lucy basically. Do

32:12

we have a diet like a rotary phone? Yeah, yeah. So my

32:14

son learned how to call his friends on that phone as a

32:16

kid. My wife made him use that phone to learn how to

32:19

use the phone because a lot of kids don't even use

32:21

the phone before a home phone. Yeah. And

32:23

it's calling, having conversations with your friends like we did when we were

32:25

kids. Yeah. But that doesn't happen

32:28

no more. You're going to date, there's

32:30

like no first or second base. No, that

32:32

stuff is just like a crazy scary world. I

32:34

can't imagine being single. Well, there's no first or

32:36

second base. I don't think so. No. You

32:39

guys just got these, Josh's are baby. What

32:41

are the bases anyway? Do you guys, you do

32:43

bases still or you just go straight? I

32:45

mean, you got to start somewhere, right? Okay. But

32:48

I think those bases have changed. Like what is first with

32:50

us, like holding hands. Holding hands. And then maybe keep saying.

32:52

But now it's just, I don't want to say on here,

32:54

but now it's just like. You can say it here. Wait,

32:57

so what was your first base? Just holding

32:59

hands and Frenching? Yeah. And

33:01

they're making out, I guess. Okay. For

33:04

sure. Definitely in the 80s, for sure. Like I

33:06

can't imagine being single at 53 in Los Angeles.

33:08

Oh my God. Just being single in general. I

33:10

kill myself. What do we do? I

33:12

don't know, dude. Because I don't know. Like older people,

33:15

perhaps. And here's the deal, man,

33:17

is like with divorce because I'm in

33:19

it to win it with

33:21

Tommy Buns. Like I've. I've been

33:23

married for. Almost 20 years I've been together. Congrats. I've

33:26

been married maybe, I don't know, 16. Awesome. The

33:28

number. But yeah. They get this shit

33:30

right. Oh wait, we got married. But

33:33

because I've seen it like

33:35

both my parents got divorced, remarried.

33:38

And guess what? If you haven't done the work

33:40

in between picking partners, you're just

33:42

going to pick the same fucking thing.

33:45

A lot of people do that. I see that. And

33:47

you're like, what? And now you're going to make

33:49

stepchildren and half children and that that that that

33:51

that and fuck up this kid. It's like, what

33:53

are you doing? Yeah. So you can take it

33:55

out if this person is not addicted to drugs

33:57

or has a major problem like gambling or something.

36:00

hardcore. It's the only

36:02

tattoo you have. Yeah, I'm very like a pussy.

36:04

But I love, I tell you what I love, I

36:06

love knuckle tats. Yeah. And

36:09

one day when my husband and I have fuck you money, I'm

36:11

gonna get fuck you money. And then you've got a piggy and

36:13

a cow because you're vegetarian or vegan. Are

36:15

you vegan? Yes. Dang

36:17

homie. Yeah, I got my finger.

36:19

I love my finger. It took me a long time.

36:21

I've made a bunch of contracts with my wife. I'll

36:24

never do my hands. I'll never do my face. Oh.

36:27

I put, they were like on the wall of my house throughout

36:29

my life and I just like, I do something. I

36:31

make a deal with her and I go inch out onto my

36:33

hands. And then finally I was just like, fuck it. I got

36:35

my hands done. I got my whole head done. I'm never gonna

36:37

do my face. That's what I was gonna ask you about. I'm

36:39

gonna keep this nice. Keep the money maker tight. Keep the money

36:42

maker face. Yeah, keep the money maker face. But yeah, everything else.

36:45

Everything else. And you said that you know of people that do

36:47

their Ds. Ds and taints,

36:49

all that stuff, yeah. Dick sleeves?

36:51

Yeah. Google dick sleeves.

36:54

Let's take a look. You were gonna pull it up? Oh

36:56

yeah. You

36:58

can pull up. Listen, there's no boundaries on this show. My

37:01

wife saw me, Nikki, she's like, you're missing a spot.

37:03

And there's a couple of spots down around my area

37:05

that I could get that aren't on it exactly. And,

37:09

oh my, that's just like a dick. But

37:11

where is it? Oh, there it is. Okay. Oh

37:14

my God. Dude, he even got the head done. Like

37:16

that's wild, bro. And I think what they do is they

37:18

take it and they stretch it around their wrist. And that's

37:20

how they take it and they wrap it. Like go like

37:22

that. Are you being serious? What do you

37:24

got? They pull the dick skin and then that's... They

37:27

pull the penis and they pull it over their wrist or something. And

37:29

then that's how they stretch it out because you have to get the

37:31

ink in there because you have to do when it's stretched. But

37:34

I mean, I thought about getting like a, my wife's

37:36

name's moon, like a half moon on surprise her on

37:38

anniversary. I don't know if I even do it. I don't

37:40

know. I don't know. What about people

37:42

that are getting their eyeballs done? That's

37:44

gnarly because I heard you can go... I've

37:47

seen some things. I'm not a professional, but people

37:49

going blind or having some issues. I would imagine.

37:51

I know. No, dude. No,

37:53

dude. I know. I

37:56

mean... It'd be cool to get love on my taint.

37:58

If I taint to love it, it'd be kind of sick. Yoooooo,

38:02

soft sell. Soft sell, yes. I love

38:04

soft sell. I know. Not Stop Erotic

38:06

Cabaret was one of my favorite CDs.

38:10

You know, you remember that too, the experience of listening

38:12

to an entire, oh I gotta go, I gotta take

38:14

my kid to your doctor. The entire, like listening to

38:16

an entire album, even if like the

38:18

songs you fucking didn't like, you'd end up

38:21

liking eventually. Of course, of course. The

38:23

whole record? The repetition. We're just

38:25

reading the thank you list or like the credits and then

38:27

finding other bands from that and searching for music. Yeah,

38:29

yeah. That was fun. The record collecting.

38:31

You play vinyl? I do now. I

38:34

just went back to it and I got the essentials, the

38:36

essential punk rock stuff for my kids and you know,

38:38

some whatever. Are they liking the punk rock? Yeah,

38:41

my older dude likes the circle

38:43

jerks. Yes, the best. Group Sex on the

38:45

best record ever. Group Sex was my favorite. You're still

38:47

playing. So it was like 70 or 60. Is

38:50

that right? My man, they said, yeah, Killing It Live. Wow.

38:53

I love Group Sex. It's a great album.

38:56

I don't pay that song for him, but well

38:58

yeah. Joy Division, you said. I like that. I

39:00

like Bauhaus. My wife loves Bauhaus. Really? She

39:03

loves all that stuff. Yeah. Dark. My

39:06

son knows that stuff too because of her. That's her thing. That's

39:08

my dark way. She's in the dark.

39:10

Cure Bauhaus. Thanks. Joy Division.

39:13

Love it. Yeah. I

39:15

routed my touring around Bauhaus. That's how fucking. Really? Yeah,

39:18

I got emotional problems. But I connect to it. I

39:20

connect to it. I'm going to get my dick's leaves. No, no, no,

39:22

no, no. No more tats for you. No, no. I'm

39:25

a fucking pussy. And that one's coming up. Yeah, I've

39:27

done the one treatment. It's not as bad

39:29

as far as. It's so fast.

39:31

And they numb it with the ice and it's

39:33

just really quick. Yeah. In and out. And

39:36

then I go back in a month or something and then they'll do it again.

39:38

And that's it. And we're fucking done, bro.

39:40

Listen, you have to come back to Austin, bring

39:42

the wife next time. That'd be sick. Bring

39:44

your son. To a whole family episode?

39:46

I think you should. That's a great idea. I

39:48

would like to. I'm curious because. See

39:51

the dynamics and shit. Yeah, I like this because I

39:53

feel like you and I

39:55

had wacky upbringings and we kind of you

39:58

find out who you are the hard way. and you

40:00

parlayed it into a great living in the

40:02

great. I'm curious. Come back again.

40:04

Will you come back and chat more? Yeah, it'll be awesome, yeah.

40:06

It'll have you when you come to LA too. Yeah, I'll

40:08

be there. You ever come to LA? I'll

40:11

be there in the summertime. Okay. At the

40:13

end of summer. I'd love to have you in my pink podcast.

40:15

Bye, Gabrielle. All right, I love you. Thank you so

40:17

much for coming. Thanks for having me. You guys have

40:19

to check out his podcast, One Life, One

40:22

Chance. He's very deep, he's very philosophical. I

40:24

feel like you've done everything. And

40:26

thank you so much. I really appreciate you being here.

40:28

It was an honor to be here. Thanks for having me.

40:31

Aww, you did. All right, until next time, stay

40:33

cool, mom. Bye. Bye. Where

40:35

my mom's, where my mom's, where my mom's at. Where

40:37

my mom's, where my song came from, mom's at. Breathe

40:39

the kids clean and just need a long hand. Where

40:42

my mom's, where my mom's, where my mom's

40:44

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at. Hi. See

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you next week. Bye.