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so much. You dressed the coolest. You got the coolest glasses,

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coolest sweaters. I did it for you, homie. Can I try those glasses

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on or is that? Yeah. No,

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no. No, these are yours. Do you want to put

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lipstick on too? Well, I don't know if they, I would. Do these have COVID all over them

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or are they?

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Are we good? You're convinced I have COVID.

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What if it's just the cold? I think, uh,

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oh, that's good. I think these work for me actually. Dude,

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those are really good on you. I feel like

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I just, it's a whole new wrapper identity. Well,

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I was trying on glasses earlier. Uh, yeah,

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well, yeah, I think this is kind of

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modern. This is the whole new era for

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you. I like it. What

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are you going to call yourself? Um, you're still esoteric. I'm

3:35

still esoteric, but it's,

3:37

it's, uh, I

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don't know. I can't believe there's no, uh, there's

3:42

no lenses in these things. Yeah. Or

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are they very quaint? They're very subtle. Oh

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yeah. All

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right. They're called, um, this is when a dog, we used to call them Jew

3:49

broad glasses. Okay. And

3:52

I wear them if I don't want to do my eye

3:54

makeup.

3:54

Okay. You're wearing Jew

3:56

broads. Well, okay. I

4:01

so if I didn't want to do my makeup I could just

4:03

wear these yeah I put on a little set

4:05

of fill under my my eyes I said I think

4:08

I felt I would I don't know my wife My wife gave

4:10

it to me. She's like hey put that under your eyes And

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I said what do you what are you trying to say that lotion

4:14

or that's like a little white thing that you go you

4:16

Just go dot dot dot dot and I think you

4:18

rub it in I don't know, but it's supposed to make

4:21

me look younger

4:21

Well, I am so amazed at how little

4:24

men

4:24

are taught to take care

4:26

of their

4:27

Face oh yeah, I got she's always

4:30

popping my blackheads and BRA strips

4:32

and stuff like that It's her favorite thing like

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why don't men like as a teenager

4:36

That's when women really girls start to ramp

4:38

up their facial care when they get acne like boys

4:41

Just is this a culture where is that

4:43

is that gay? Are you sucking

4:46

dicks if you're taking care of your face as

4:48

a teenage boy um I don't know

4:50

about now

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I Think

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it should be in color how to how to

4:56

feel I think it should be encouraged too And I do

4:58

think that uh sucking dicks is okay. I

5:01

want to make that cool. That's clear

5:03

Yeah, not everyone's into that But

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I I I don't I don't

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I don't know I think it's an afterthought. I never

5:10

really cared I was Self-conscious

5:12

in high school when I gigantic zits and I didn't know

5:14

how to handle them And I didn't know how to manage

5:16

them and nobody taught me how to man So I

5:19

had a moment with my son when I was trying to teach

5:21

him how to properly pop a whitehead

5:24

oh And he just

5:26

disregarded that he doesn't care at all He

5:28

does it on his own to come out with a giant fucking

5:30

scar on his you know I'm like you could have just

5:32

warmed that up a little bit going yeah Open

5:35

those pores up and then you know I'm

5:37

gonna puke just listening to you talk about

5:40

all the shit that you see I'm gonna make you puke

5:42

the stuff you show me. Oh no lion age. Oh,

5:44

yeah, I mean Alright

5:49

zard

5:49

official intelligence. Let's talk about it. I can't

5:51

wait to hear this mommy. What's the

5:53

theme?

5:53

What what was what was going on

5:55

in your world? I think

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there's just um A

6:00

lot of uncertainty

6:02

in this world where everything's going, you know what I mean?

6:05

Everyone's terrified of AI and a lot of the

6:07

artists and actors and entertainment industry

6:10

and writers are somewhat

6:12

threatened. Some people are using it to their advantage. We

6:15

are certainly not. I mean, unless my voice

6:18

goes out and I lose my voice entirely, I

6:20

can still write and maybe you can kind of recreate

6:23

a model for my voice and continue

6:25

to annoy people forever. So,

6:29

it was just one of these things. There

6:31

was kind of a

6:33

layup, so to speak, for Czar

6:35

Face. Since we make a lot of play on words off

6:37

Czar Face. I noticed you've managed

6:40

to do it for many albums. I'm like, how

6:42

are they going to fit Czar into this title?

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Well, you know, we get a lot of suggestions from... The odds are

6:48

against us. The odds are against us. And

6:51

there are, you know, people suggest things to me.

6:54

Those are things I had never thought of and I get really

6:57

mad. Right, and

6:59

then I write back to them and say, oh, we already thought

7:01

of that one. We already

7:03

cut that one out, but we might bring it back. It's yesterday's

7:06

news, bitch. But

7:09

some real low-hanging fruit like Czar

7:11

Wars, kind of had to get that out of the way early.

7:14

But Czar's artificial intelligence is just kind of... It

7:18

was an easy one. But you were thinking about AI.

7:20

You were thinking about the future on this album

7:23

and the repercussions and what's that like.

7:26

Yeah. That's cool. Yeah.

7:29

That's deep, bro. It's as deep as we get

7:31

on Czar Face records. I

7:33

think you guys are pretty deep. That's why I like you.

7:35

I think you're the most intelligent... I

7:38

mean, do I call you rappers? Is that cool?

7:40

Are you a rap band? Just like

7:42

Stand Up to your Routines. You guys are a rap band. We

7:45

are a hip-hop outfit. I

7:49

see a lot of people call us a super group. And

7:52

that's kind of... Oh, that's cool you are. Well,

7:54

because it's an amalgamation of 7L and

7:57

Esoteric and Inspector Deck of Wu-Tang clans

7:59

a week. like Voltron and

8:01

now we're a super group called the Starface. Yeah,

8:04

is that a transforming sound? That's pretty good. I

8:06

know that because of the music. You

8:08

guys like all that stuff. Yeah, we do. You

8:10

know, I grew up with

8:13

Transformers, G.I. Joe, Batman, Spider-Man.

8:16

I was the only child and didn't have any friends.

8:19

And those are my friends. No, I did have

8:21

friends through basketball and stuff like that. But

8:23

when I was alone at home and my parents

8:25

are like throwing dishes at each other and fighting

8:28

and moving out moving

8:30

back in and all this kind of trauma,

8:33

my one safety was comic

8:37

books and my dog. Yes. Those

8:40

are the constants.

8:40

You know, it's interesting you say that because

8:43

I just joined

8:44

of all things, I'm so mortified,

8:46

but I don't care.

8:47

I joined like a support group

8:50

online for people

8:51

with CPTSD which

8:53

is what I've been diagnosed with, complex

8:55

PTSD. We just made you out of fucked up childhood.

8:58

Oh, okay. But

8:59

what they said was a lot of the times

9:01

kids will adopt something

9:03

they've seen on television, like a hero or

9:07

like a TV show or something to help them

9:09

cope. And that's actually what people

9:11

will see P.T.O.s to do. But I adopted

9:13

Pippi Longstocking. She was my

9:15

hero.

9:16

Oh, look at that. And I

9:18

decided that I

9:20

would rise above and make

9:22

my orphan life fun.

9:24

You know what I mean? Like fuck that,

9:25

I'm not an orphan. I'm like a super

9:28

powered bitch and I can draw on

9:30

the walls and I can, you

9:32

know,

9:32

I can hang upside down and I can travel

9:34

the

9:34

seas and fight pirates. Fuck that, it's freedom.

9:37

Absolutely, yeah, I love it. That's great. Thank

9:40

God for the comic books and stories. Yeah,

9:42

just a little bit of escapism, you know. Yeah.

9:44

On my kitchen floor, I have these things that I can

9:47

play with and build and then draw and create.

9:49

And I was able to bring that into the music

9:52

and marry those things. And with Zarface,

9:54

it's a character that was inspired by

9:57

my son really to give him something.

10:00

to like his own superhero

10:02

in a way. That's right. You know, because he was,

10:04

when we came up with Zara Face, he was about

10:06

three or four. And it

10:09

was one of these things where he

10:11

was with me all the time and I was trying to do

10:13

music and he would not

10:15

stop being a two, three year

10:17

old kid, you know, and they're very needy

10:20

and we're very lucky to experience

10:22

this as parents. It's just, it's great

10:24

and you wanna get back to that, but sometimes when you're living

10:26

in it, it gets a little bit challenging.

10:29

But I said, how can I do this? How

10:31

can I keep him engaged

10:34

with my work stuff because he's all over

10:36

me and all

10:38

the music we were writing, I started referencing.

10:41

He's like, what's the name of that song? And I say, oh, that's

10:43

the Green Lantern song. What's this one? It's

10:45

the Batman song. And then this is Zara Face

10:47

and Zara Face is your guy. And

10:49

tell me what Zara Face is. And then he became a character

10:52

that, you know, it's the

10:55

mascot for the group the Eddie Iron

10:57

Maiden to us. You know what I

10:59

mean? That is so, I had no idea that

11:01

was the Genesis

11:02

of Zara Face. Yeah, I've been,

11:04

you know, talking about it at Comic-Cons

11:07

and I usually stumble through the story. I get a little choked

11:09

up because thinking to Pam, it's like, and

11:13

so every time I tell it there, I kind of stumble through it. I

11:15

feel like I finally have been able to

11:17

articulate it without getting

11:19

too emotional. Completely falling to

11:22

pieces. You know, it's really,

11:25

you know, inspect the deck coming from

11:27

Wu Tang and me and 7L from Boston.

11:29

We just, we needed some common ground

11:32

too, other than the love of

11:34

talking shit on Lycophones. So

11:37

bringing in a lot of the things we both grew

11:39

up with in different parts of the East

11:41

Coast, such as Iron

11:43

Man and whoever, it was, you know, it

11:46

worked out.

11:47

Definitely. Well, that's so good. I

11:49

always think of, I don't know if you know, this

11:51

woman, Marianne Williamson. She's like

11:54

part of the self-help movement.

11:56

And she always said, she said this

11:58

in a talk a long time ago.

11:59

She's like, you know, it's easy to

12:02

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12:04

to go deep You always want to

12:06

do another layer to your

12:08

creative matter. Yeah, go deep.

12:10

Why not? like there you may as well fucking

12:13

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12:15

with people on a on a Unconscious

12:18

level not just like because

12:20

it is I imagine in your in your world of

12:22

rap music. It's like pussy pussy

12:24

dick sucks Bang bang I'm

12:26

the richest I'm the best and like how I get

12:28

it. It's cool. There's a place in time But then you're like, okay, I'm

12:30

bored.

12:30

I don't just about dick

12:32

sucks and pussy licks, you know, absolutely And

12:35

there is there is if you have a 16 bar

12:38

verse and 15 of those bars are The

12:41

cliche that you expect it doesn't

12:43

really interest a lot of people.

12:45

Yeah I mean it all depends with

12:48

an artist's delivery and his voice and everything that

12:50

could be very captivating in the right situation

12:52

You know what I mean? But for us in the way

12:55

that we write we like to kind of reach out It's

12:57

like a playground where we can bring this

12:59

in and bring that in and bring things you don't typically hear

13:01

in rap songs Yeah, that's why I like you guys cuz you're

13:03

deep and you're interesting. Oh

13:05

in a real fucking Like

13:08

a really cool way. Oh, and I think

13:10

you guys are doing something then nobody

13:12

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13:14

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Dogs are better than they're the best people. Oh,

16:02

they certainly are heard. They're the fact their gifts.

16:04

You can't yeah, I can't even sometimes

16:07

I was walking down Was

16:09

a Congress Street in Austin and

16:11

there's just dogs everywhere and they got these

16:14

they're walking these girls and I feel like

16:16

these girls I feel like the girls

16:18

think I'm checking them out. I'm not looking at them. I'm looking

16:20

at the dog You see

16:23

a certain brief you like an Irish wolfhound. It's like being

16:25

a celebrity, you know That's

16:27

your celebrity dog there are a lot of their

16:29

Irish wolfhound is a st. Bernard I thought you'd just

16:31

say Bernard's

16:32

the celebrities. You know, which one is mine. I like

16:34

I like the Brussels Graphene Oh,

16:35

those are beautiful. Those are my little

16:37

guys. They should be installed the Star Wars universe. You really

16:40

look at their face Yeah, that's

16:42

what I have I'm

16:44

obsessed

16:44

with so those that's my celebrity

16:46

dog. Okay,

16:47

well, I lose my mind when I meet

16:49

a Brussels.

16:50

Oh, yeah That's I'm like that with new

16:52

fees or a rookie Chewbacca So

16:54

you see a Newfoundland and I I stop

16:56

every time and sometimes if you know,

16:59

if it's a girl that's attractive I feel like they

17:01

think that this is it looks like

17:03

I'm just trying to talk to them. I don't give a shit I'm

17:05

already, you know, that's a good sale.

17:08

I want to talk to the dog. Well bring

17:09

up new fee I want to see this new found new fat.

17:11

It's a new foundland

17:12

Shepherd. Yeah, nothing. Just a

17:14

new from dog Yeah, if

17:17

you bring up chocolate Newfoundland, you probably get

17:19

a you probably see a real Chewbacca looking dog

17:22

There's three different types is the black one the chocolate one

17:24

and the lancier which is the black and white one down

17:27

there in the bottom You really are a dog enthusiasts

17:29

Oh Kudja Oh,

17:31

yeah My

17:33

own

17:34

Hungarian he knows the word

17:36

right that's Yeah,

17:39

right there. Yeah Beautiful.

17:41

I have a couple in uh in our neighborhood

17:44

and they just walk so slowly and controlled

17:46

down the street they're just lumbering like

17:48

I Always when

17:50

the guy who owns them walks by our house I always

17:53

walk out and I keep doing the same lame

17:55

joke of trying to offer one of our dogs in

17:57

the trade Yeah,

18:00

he doesn't really lean into it. He's like here

18:02

we go. We're gonna do this fucking dance again This fucking

18:05

guy. Yeah, but I can't help myself. I just

18:07

can't resist I just got to go out and just have some type of

18:09

a little vignette with the with the new

18:11

one. Why can't you get one? Can you get one? We've got big

18:13

dogs already. Ah, well, why don't you uh, you have Andrea's

18:15

number? I've gotta get you Andrea's number. You just got a

18:18

persuader. Your wife is great by the way. Oh,

18:20

thank you. You guys are the best couple

18:23

and I love you. You guys

18:25

are the best couple. I love you. Oh, I love you too. And

18:27

can I tell you so so let's talk about fatherhood

18:29

because I seldom get dads

18:32

on the shows mostly male comics that are just

18:35

degenerates who I love.

18:36

Ah, yeah, but you know

18:40

Yeah, I have to I have to step

18:42

up my degenerate. See? No, you're

18:44

you don't you're good.

18:45

You're good that's why but that's why I like you

18:47

because You're not like

18:50

pretending to be this like chaotic

18:52

like ooh Book greatly. Yeah, you're just you're

18:54

a family guy and there's nothing wrong with being

18:57

a family person. Yeah,

18:59

so You guys what

19:01

do you what's the what's the hardest part about being a dad?

19:03

Let's start

19:04

there. Ah Right now

19:06

I'd say watching my

19:09

my son get older

19:10

15 and

19:12

You know, he's

19:14

not quite pulling away, but I'm seeing the flickers

19:17

I mean get excited. Yeah,

19:20

I mean he's still He's still

19:22

there You know and he's still

19:24

very present We we walk one

19:27

of our dogs every night around eight o'clock and and that's

19:29

when he opens up And we walk him around the block

19:31

and we'll do a couple laps and that's when he tells

19:33

me about his day and stuff like that You

19:36

know, I'd like to give credit to pepper

19:39

for always pushing us to go out. She's the vehicle

19:41

for that but um You

19:44

know, it's one of those things as you know

19:48

That two-year-old phase the five-year-old phase eight-year-old

19:51

phase eleven year old phase They're all very different and

19:53

they're all you just you hear it all the time

19:55

that it goes by so fast And

19:57

it's become a cliche that that's really

20:00

hard to quantify but it's

20:02

so real and that's why we probably

20:06

take too many pictures of the kids but when they pop

20:08

back up on the iPhone you brought right back to that

20:10

moment and I just oh where is that

20:12

guy but where he is now I couldn't

20:15

be happier. Love the kid to death and

20:18

I would say that right now for me with him

20:20

that's the hardest part of parenting with my daughter who's eight

20:23

the hardest part of parenting is

20:25

saying no to a play

20:27

date. Just

20:31

every day when she gets out of school she's just ready to

20:33

rock she's the most happy

20:36

go where's the party at. Very

20:40

social and every day after school

20:42

she expects to go over one of the friends houses

20:45

or to our house even though our house is boring and

20:49

I don't think our house is boring either in any way

20:51

shape or form because one of our dog's peppers is

20:53

a lethal weapon so it acts a bit of a

20:55

dangerous element. She could maul any

20:57

one of the kids at any time so I don't think that's boring.

21:02

I'm opposed

21:02

to the play date like you can't go to somebody's

21:04

house bro like I don't know these parents

21:06

who are these fucking parents? Oh yeah no absolutely

21:10

that is we're in a very fortunate

21:12

position where we've met all

21:14

the parents and it actually formed very good

21:16

friendships with them which are very valuable

21:19

to us like the kids relationships

21:22

where they are where they're rooted and our

21:24

friendships with the parents it's just this

21:26

thing that you never saw coming in

21:28

life before you had kids.

21:30

So this is good so what you're telling

21:32

me is my fear of petting.

21:35

Yeah

21:40

I don't I'm very I would

21:42

say that I'm very vigilant in terms

21:44

of that like oh or should

21:47

I no I'm not very vigilant like I'm carrying around a

21:49

rifle but I'm very aware

21:52

of where my kids are what they're doing

21:55

and who they're with and I feel

21:58

like I have a pretty strong. grip

22:00

on that and I'm in tune with them 100% of

22:04

the time, and my wife is too. We're

22:07

always like, hey, how'd it go? Where'd you do it? You can

22:09

talk to us. Do we get a – I mean, I think we really –

22:11

I don't know. So

22:14

I don't think there's an

22:17

unhealthy amount of fear of that. Of course,

22:19

you want to be super conscious of that and cognizant

22:22

that it's a very real thing. But

22:24

I know that my daughter, Ally, she could – I

22:26

mean, she almost knocked me out the other day, so I think she could

22:29

defend herself pretty well. But

22:34

I don't know. I feel like that's one of those things that

22:37

we like our base where

22:39

we are. Good.

22:40

Because let me tell you, I signed up when

22:43

Kate goes to school, or if you want to be a parent

22:45

that drives for the field trips or whatever, you have

22:47

to go through a program where you learn

22:49

about –

22:50

I

22:52

was so traumatized

22:55

by this presentation because it was like, this

22:57

is so awful. I'm just going to

22:59

say it because I want parents to hear this. This

23:03

one family told a story of

23:05

how it's always a friend of

23:07

the family, a male friend, a

23:10

guy who – the coach or

23:12

the single guy friend who's just always hanging

23:14

around, hey, Kate, and it's Pete. And Pete

23:16

will – hey, I'll babysit the kids for

23:18

you or I'll pick up your kids from school. That's

23:22

the guy you got to worry about. This

23:24

fucking friendly Pete that wants to help

23:26

out the single mom, that guy's the

23:28

one who's trying to get with your kids.

23:30

Right. Fuck Pete.

23:33

Fuck Pete.

23:33

Seriously.

23:35

That's what I'm saying. So like – I've been

23:37

through a similar training. I coach –

23:39

Yeah, I coached my daughter's soccer team. And

23:42

it is like I'm applying to coach for

23:44

the US national team. It really

23:46

is. Good. I mean, oh, no, it's

23:48

great. Good. They're very

23:50

thorough. And I think that's a great way to watch and unsettling

23:53

things you have to watch is akin

23:55

to your mom's house. It's

23:59

a heavy segment. Yeah,

24:01

you're like don't make me fucking live well Yeah,

24:03

so you're sitting there and you're going through a program

24:05

that teach you what to do in case the kid collapses

24:07

for unknown reason Concussion, okay,

24:10

this is very scary and stuff and then it gets

24:12

into the creepy Of

24:15

what do you do? Who do you call you called it the feds first?

24:17

You call the cops first. Do you tell other people

24:20

you know, and it's a When

24:22

I'm out there on the field, I'm very The

24:26

opposite of handsy. I don't I don't go out, you

24:28

know what I mean? I don't even address the girls as girl. I'm

24:30

like, come on kids. Let's go kids I

24:32

feel like I'm always very much Do you

24:34

have to non gender?

24:36

No, I don't know. I would

24:38

say I mean some girls only get over here bitch But

24:40

I I'm not gonna You

24:43

know, yeah, your mom's a fucking

24:45

bitch No, a lot

24:48

of the times I just feel like Kids,

24:51

they're all still kids. You know,

24:54

so it's like You know,

24:56

I sometimes I coach with guys and they're like ladies

24:58

come over here and I'm like, yeah I feel like

25:00

they're calling out a stripper or something, you know Yeah

25:06

Having her play goalie, you know, yeah

25:08

I hated being called ladies because I went

25:10

to an all-girls Catholic school and then I'm

25:13

like, you don't know what fucking wild

25:15

dogs we really are because when

25:17

you put a girl with other girls actually

25:20

if I might make a Recommendation

25:22

if there is an all-girls school in your neighborhood Yeah,

25:25

send your daughter man cuz okay

25:27

It's so good for girls to be

25:29

with just other girls in those years

25:32

where the pressure with boys is so

25:34

high Yeah, and that's when the girls self-esteem

25:36

really takes a shit is like ninth

25:38

grade through two before I think it starts in like sixth

25:41

seventh grade with that boy pressure. But

25:43

if you remove that Yeah free

25:45

and I just felt so liberated

25:48

because I was just being myself

25:50

I didn't have to

25:51

like impress anybody I could I

25:53

wore a uniform and I think it really created

25:55

the mental patient that I am today Oh,

25:57

well, that's it's the last thing that you're on this planet

25:59

know where you are so it worked out.

26:05

You might be right because my

26:07

daughter has her friends over every once in a

26:09

while and they're all great in different ways. There

26:12

are a couple of whores in training. A

26:16

couple of little tramps. They're

26:18

all eight. You

26:20

can tell already there's going to be a whore. One

26:26

of them is mentioning Ryan Gosling's

26:28

abs in his six

26:29

pack.

26:30

That's my kind of girl. I love Ryan

26:32

Gosling. Oh, I love him too. He's so

26:34

hot. I'm telling

26:36

you. My wife loves Ryan Gosling. Really?

26:39

Oh God. With the notebook.

26:41

I watch it on loop when Tom's out of town.

26:43

Do you really? Little Miss Giddle to

26:45

Ryan Gosling. I

26:48

tried to get my six pack going and

26:51

I'm only kidding. That's

26:53

what I think about when I think of Ryan Gosling. Back

26:57

to Lisa. Her

27:00

name will be Lisa. Just

27:03

talking about that and I said six pack.

27:08

My opinion, Ali doesn't

27:10

know what a six pack is or hasn't been taught by

27:13

the social mores to value a six pack

27:15

or anything like that. I just said to them all,

27:18

I said, what's a six pack? Then

27:21

Ali, my daughter, she said, you

27:23

just don't know how to do girl talk. They all

27:25

walked away. You

27:27

don't know girl talk and walked away. I was like,

27:30

all right, that seems foolish enough. Maybe

27:32

she doesn't know either. Right

27:35

now she has Addison Wells, Meg

27:37

Donnelly from Zombies on her wall.

27:40

Those type of things. When those get replaced with,

27:43

I don't know, whoever Ryan

27:45

Gosling for written. He's so dreamy. He's

27:48

dreaming or a fucking Tom Seger or something. Does

27:51

anybody ever put comedians on their walls?

27:54

I don't know. Maybe Matt Rife. Matt Rife.

27:57

He's the first one. Yeah.

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I know I'm

30:41

blessed in that I'm raising boys

30:44

because I think with

30:45

girls it would be too charged for me

30:47

because

30:50

I've worked so hard to get myself

30:52

out of the matrix very early and I think

30:55

being in Catholic school, all-girls school,

30:57

was really rad that way because

30:59

they teach

31:00

you they're like you're not a fucking sex object.

31:02

You're not anybody's. You're you and you're

31:05

like what? I

31:06

can be myself. I don't have to, I can ignore

31:08

society. Yeah that's a construct. It's

31:10

a, da da da da. And yeah

31:13

I mean but then again like girls like

31:15

girly stuff too like Barbie right that

31:17

would be a great example of like girls

31:20

like pink and fucking some inherently

31:22

like this kind

31:23

of stuff. You know what my daughter's favorite color right now

31:25

is lavender. Oh yeah. She

31:27

loves lavender and she's anti-pink. Oh

31:29

yeah which is I don't know what that means

31:32

for our future. She's probably lesbian. She's maybe. Yeah

31:36

maybe. You should start her on hormone blockers. What are

31:38

you doing? A child to be assistant

31:40

at this point. Whatever

31:43

she's up for but I think that Barbie,

31:46

she liked the Barbie movie and the Barbie's pretty pink

31:48

centric right? Oh very. Very yeah so I

31:51

think I do think that's going to be the theme for

31:53

her birthday party which is which

31:55

might lend itself to a lot of pink around

31:57

the house. Wow. Yeah.

31:59

charged for me because you're like you

32:02

want you want to give little girls what they like

32:05

and then you're like yeah but in society

32:07

such

32:07

a dance we we

32:10

dance as women if you are

32:12

you know you have to be attractive

32:15

but not slutty attractive you have

32:17

to be young

32:19

but not too young all but not too

32:21

it's there's just so many lines

32:23

yeah I think well I think

32:25

the one thing that you might maybe

32:28

I would think that a lot of people

32:31

might overthink that you know what I mean if

32:33

they're going to appeal to somebody else they

32:35

might be focused on the wrong things if

32:37

you're looking to appeal to something you mean

32:40

girl little girl young teenagers oh yeah

32:43

I yeah I think so yeah yeah that's but that's

32:45

a teenage girl brain is like I want

32:47

to be attractive I want everyone to like

32:49

me I want to be popular yeah absolutely

32:51

yeah you're right absolutely terrible time and my son

32:53

who was a freshman

32:57

now you know he's first this is the first

32:59

time I've seen him like look in the mirror you

33:01

know what I mean he's like

33:02

starting to

33:04

comb his hair and shit like that like eighth grade

33:07

and now

33:09

he's uh I can tell he's thinking

33:12

about something he's thinking about his appearance which is good

33:14

taking a lot of showers and wearing

33:16

my clothes to school and it's

33:19

great but crazy but you just have to

33:21

emphasize what's important

33:24

you know I think I spent a lot of my life valuing

33:28

material things you know what I mean really I

33:30

did yeah wait are you serious get so funny

33:32

because I listening to your lyrics

33:34

yeah

33:35

always assume you're very anti

33:37

materialist

33:39

yeah I think in

33:41

real life I am do you

33:43

know what I mean but I when some

33:45

things that you were into back in the day

33:47

they're just things that stick with you and that

33:50

you know I know that like yesterday you

33:53

had the Burberry shirt on you know what what

33:56

brand Burberry Burberry

33:59

Burberry East Coast has the

34:01

batteries and you know I said that I was

34:03

wearing the Burberry pants and one of our old album He

34:05

had a little a little Would

34:08

you call it a connection? Yeah about Burberry,

34:10

but Burberry is expensive. It's very

34:12

and it's uh you know In

34:14

the big scheme of things. I don't know what it's

34:17

not really doesn't mean too much right

34:19

no It's interesting because there's

34:21

this um There's this guy

34:23

Brodreard

34:23

to

34:24

this philosopher And he talks about brands

34:26

and what they mean and why do we gravitate

34:28

towards a brand?

34:30

It's because a brand is an identifier

34:32

and it lets other people know your values

34:34

right so for instance I

34:36

like barberry. Yeah, I

34:39

like that I actually just like the stripes and I like how

34:41

uptight it looks it reminds me of Catholic school

34:43

okay, but it also is part of

34:45

the look the chabs of London

34:48

yeah in England their lower class

34:50

their white trash, and they love wearing Burberry

34:53

Yeah, it makes me. I let I want to identify

34:55

with the chav. I don't know why but I like

34:57

that yeah Certain

35:01

thing like sometimes you know you see a real

35:03

dope pair of sneakers on somebody

35:05

and you think you're supposed to think

35:09

That guy knows what time it is that guy can yeah, but

35:11

a lot of the times lately you think That's

35:13

the type of maniac that's gonna wait in the line for fucking

35:16

two hours around the block Yeah,

35:19

they're obsessive about collecting the sneakers, so

35:21

that's a different type of mentality than someone

35:23

that would just effortlessly have the

35:25

sneakers because they are in the Right places at the right times,

35:28

and they're gifted to them or something so it's

35:30

I don't know It's a tough tough world

35:32

to navigate especially like before

35:35

a show I'm always like thinking about what

35:37

hat I'm gonna wear and what this and

35:39

but if I'm picking up my kid at the school I

35:41

look like you know a real asshole.

35:43

Yeah, I don't garbage person yeah And

35:46

that's probably when I'm I'm most comfortable

35:49

you know Yeah, no,

35:51

I mean just like the appearance like sometimes. I'll show

35:54

up at school I look like I want to battle before

35:56

you look like this guy and sometimes.

35:58

I'm just rolling out of bed, and I'm just you know, picking

36:00

up, but it's just, I don't

36:02

know, it's just the way my closet is. Yeah.

36:06

You

36:06

know? But how cool we get to play with

36:10

how we look and it's

36:13

something I started doing during the pandemic when

36:15

I was bored at home is I started to really pay

36:17

attention to how I dress and that's how

36:19

I got into fashion and stuff. I was like, oh.

36:21

Oh, all right. So you've only been into fashion

36:24

since 2020.

36:25

Seriously, well, I like goth stuff, so I wore black

36:27

for my whole life, you know? And

36:30

the Adidas tracksuits, I love Adidas.

36:31

I was gonna say, I saw you in those a lot before.

36:33

Of course.

36:34

Yeah. Well, I even dressed, this is Olga from Ukraine.

36:37

She, I custom made this Adidas

36:39

tracksuit. This is old school

36:41

hip hop. Absolutely. This is the

36:43

Genesis. Yeah, absolutely. And

36:45

I didn't know that was custom. Of course,

36:47

this cost me, DMX cost

36:49

half a million. This is $10,000 to get a raccoon Adidas tracksuit.

36:54

I believe that. Yeah. I

36:57

believe that. Custom made clothes for Barbies

37:00

online. Seriously? And Migo action figures.

37:02

Yeah, there's a market for everything. So

37:04

you can find someone that will actually sew

37:06

you a little suit to go on a particular

37:09

Barbie. A tiny suit? A Barbie

37:11

sized suit. Wow. Which

37:14

is not the ideal, not

37:17

the body type that every woman should have.

37:19

It's not true. Aim for it. Don't

37:21

you get on me about this. Don't you

37:23

fucking, don't you get into fat pride

37:26

with the on the, don't you get

37:28

me on this fat shit. I talked

37:30

to my partner about this a lot. You're right.

37:32

And. It's for

37:33

ya! No.

37:37

Okay, so what are you and your partner? So

37:38

talk to me. What do you guys feel about

37:40

fat models and stuff? That's my wife. I

37:42

like all women. Oh,

37:46

stop. What?

37:47

Stop with that horse shit. No, you don't.

37:49

All of them? Not all,

37:51

no, not all of them. Big fat so's? No,

37:54

no, no, no. I mean, everyone's attracted to different

37:56

things, but I mean, I think there's a lot of guys

37:58

that I know that. that find a lot

38:00

of value in um there's five guys that

38:03

like fat models five go to five guys

38:05

yeah curvy girl curvy

38:08

girls i mean that's okay there's

38:10

a that's a minority i have to say i

38:13

really think that the minority i don't

38:15

know though maybe we should take a dick

38:16

poll i

38:17

oh dick poll yeah it makes your dicks hard

38:20

oh yeah i i mean ask

38:22

tom i i don't know i

38:25

i just you know anytime i'm looking at anytime

38:28

i find a girl attractive

38:30

i just say jesus looks just like my

38:32

wife yeah you know i'm on uh

38:35

pornhub i say what the fuck this is

38:37

my wife this looks just like my wife every

38:39

time yeah yeah hey

38:41

you masturbate to your wife everybody every guy

38:43

out there does they just love that

38:46

well god it's not

38:48

as fine it gets easy like the older you get

38:50

and the longer you're married you're like it's

38:52

not even an option like i i honestly

38:55

and i'm not better holier

38:57

than now but when i see people having affairs

39:00

when they have families i'm like how

39:02

the fuck are you doing this bro

39:04

like

39:04

how a how do you have the time yeah and

39:06

b like where are your priorities yeah

39:09

there's a lot to be said about about that absolutely

39:11

you're crazy you're not only stabbing

39:13

your your wife in the back you're stabbing your kids in

39:15

the back and you stay you know that's that's how

39:17

i look at yeah they're fucked you fuck your

39:20

kids so bad absolutely i grew

39:22

up around two parents

39:24

that were having affairs all the time and i'd answer

39:26

the phone for my my mom's uh

39:29

boyfriend and i didn't know what was what you know because

39:32

you know it's just rotary phones back then so

39:34

it was just like the house phone you know

39:35

hold on so your parents lived together

39:38

and they would have separate affairs and then

39:40

the guy would call the house and little baby

39:42

s o yeah hi

39:44

hello is your mom there yeah and then

39:47

name tommy and uh

39:49

no i'm not kidding his name is tommy

39:51

too um uh and

39:54

uh yeah i would do that a lot i'd never

39:56

and you and did your mom know that you knew

39:58

were you cover something

40:01

I don't think she cared because I'd related a message and we

40:03

just continue because as far as I knew you

40:05

know Tommy could have been a co-worker you

40:07

know she she worked like three jobs

40:09

pretty much she was a mental health counselor

40:12

a teacher and a teacher

40:15

at a couple different places so she was out all the time

40:17

she was working from seven at

40:19

night to 11 7 in the morning to 11 at

40:21

night pretty much two different jobs as far as I know

40:23

you know what I mean but there

40:26

was there was just a situation you know my

40:28

dad would move out be in an apartment and

40:30

she would be we would be in a house that

40:32

we rented and and then eventually

40:35

he'd come back and who knows all the shit

40:37

that they're discussing over my head

40:39

but I'm kind of just living in it you know only

40:41

child only child yeah that's what that's

40:43

what yeah yeah it was tough

40:46

so it just I think um I

40:48

don't know I don't I don't really

40:50

talk about it too much but it's it's something

40:52

that now that my dad's passed away and

40:55

my mom is in a memory care unit now

40:57

so she's she's you know suffering

40:59

from Alzheimer's and dementia and really

41:03

you know so it's lately I've been I've been

41:05

speaking to people about it more more openly

41:07

because I'm not I don't

41:09

have any fear of hurting them yeah and

41:12

outing their business in a way that's a generation

41:14

that's kind of going away you know like

41:16

I just started talking about it to a couple friends like a couple weeks

41:19

ago and I couldn't believe it's coming up like only my wife

41:21

and a few of my friends know that

41:23

that situation you know and kids

41:25

I grew up with but it was just this

41:27

thing that I said well my dad's gone now

41:30

and it was really I was really

41:32

really really close with and my

41:34

father's super close so

41:35

hold on so but he was having affairs

41:38

as well and he

41:40

did have an affair and he made it a point

41:43

to take me out to a place called the Pleasant

41:45

Cafe in Rosendale which is a suburb

41:47

of Boston or a borough of Boston we

41:49

sat down and he told me all about it how

41:52

old are you oh I was probably in

41:54

my 20s at that time and

41:56

we sat down and we'd go there a lot

41:58

like back in the day when I was a little

41:59

and

42:00

we went there then and I just thought it was weird that he was

42:02

bringing me there for that. He's

42:05

like, let's go out to eat. We'll go to the pleasant. I said, okay,

42:07

great, pizza. And then he just kind of laid

42:09

it all out on me. And I felt like that's something he had to get

42:11

off his chest, which

42:14

took a lot for him. And the more I reflect

42:16

on it, I'm like, wow, I would never want to have to tell

42:18

my kids that. And I haven't done anything

42:21

like that, thankfully. So the

42:23

right girl doesn't come along. Did

42:26

you imagine? So hold on.

42:28

You're 20 years

42:30

old or so, 20 years old, and then he sets you down.

42:32

And what does he tell

42:33

you? Well, he

42:35

just laid it out on

42:37

the line that he

42:40

had an affair with this

42:42

woman and they went to Las Vegas. Who's the woman?

42:44

Oh, I don't know the woman. I never met the woman. She's

42:48

probably maybe worth

42:50

doing it with, I imagine. She's hot? I

42:53

don't know. She's a big tits little kid. I can tell

42:55

you the good stuff, huh? No, no. You

42:57

got a math guy? We didn't ever- What made it dick hard? We all

42:59

need to know. Oh, well, the A-Team. The

43:01

A-Team. Well,

43:04

not the TV show, but I remember discovering

43:06

the VHS tape. Oh,

43:12

it really is a pornography VHS tape. Yeah, the

43:14

A-Team. And it was the anal team. I came

43:17

home after school one day and I put it in

43:19

the VCR and I just thought it was the A-Team.

43:23

I put it in the VCR and I'm like, what the fuck

43:25

is this? And I was- How

43:28

old are you then? I was probably 11

43:31

or 12. Oh

43:34

my God. And it was just straight. I mean,

43:36

it was as graphic as you could get. It

43:39

wasn't in 4K or anything, but it

43:42

certainly lives in 4K in my brain. Of

43:44

course.

43:45

You know what's so funny? You say that because I

43:47

stumbled on a magazine

43:49

my dad had in his bedside

43:51

drawer when I was about Ellis' age seven.

43:55

And the image is I can see

43:57

it right now. woman's

44:00

vag. God I keep on going to say

44:02

this out loud, I'm so traumatized but I'll

44:04

share it with you guys because it's gross.

44:07

And she had like a

44:09

string of pearls coming out of her meow,

44:13

out of the hole and I was like wait,

44:15

why is this happening? Why is she putting this

44:18

in her pussy? And like I cut my, I

44:20

think it explodes your brain. When

44:23

you see pornography too

44:25

early, it's too much

44:28

for a kid to even

44:30

process. So you're processing

44:33

affairs and comings and

44:35

your dad gets kicked out. So what your dad has

44:37

to do is your mother find out and then kick him out

44:39

of the house?

44:39

I think that's what happened. Yeah, but they

44:42

had a very, like there was a lot of times where, this

44:45

might sound like cartoon violence but

44:47

it's true. I mean she would beat

44:49

him with a racket. Of course. And

44:53

one time she was jumped on the hood of, my

44:55

dad took me to get out of the fighting

44:57

and she jumped on the hood of the car. My dad was

44:59

driving down the street with her on

45:02

the hood of the car and I'm like hilarious. hilarious

45:05

now. hilarious now. But

45:07

she's on the hood of the car, you know? And then

45:09

he hits the brake and she falls over and then he drives

45:12

over her and then he backs up and

45:14

that's, no I'm only kidding about that part. Okay, I was

45:16

like she lived? No, no, no. She's paralyzed

45:18

now. Yeah, he wanted that footage for the heavy driving. But

45:22

you know, eventually he stopped the car. She got

45:24

off the hood and it's, you know, a lot of it's

45:27

blocked out but I saw a lot of crazy

45:29

shit which, you know, I think

45:32

I'm very lucky

45:34

to

45:35

have maintained a healthy

45:40

marriage, I guess as healthy as

45:42

we can ask for. You know, and I'm not saying it's perfect

45:45

but I'm very, and I think my

45:47

wife considered, my wife's very lucky. She's

45:49

very beautiful too. Oh, no, I'm

45:51

way out. She's way out of my league. She's so

45:54

hot, dude. God damn. I

45:57

don't know. I

46:00

don't know what it is. But don't you

46:02

think that, cause you and I

46:04

come from so much drama

46:06

growing up and we were only children, which

46:08

makes it even worse cause you don't have anybody to

46:10

validate the insanity

46:13

that goes on around you. My mother,

46:15

now that I'm finally

46:17

starting to remember and I've repressed a

46:20

lot of stuff cause it was so traumatic. My

46:23

mother was schizophrenic my whole

46:25

life but I didn't really

46:28

put it together until she

46:30

died and I got to see the writings and

46:32

all the, and now I'm remembering like, oh yes,

46:34

this was a psychosis she would get into when

46:36

this would happen. And so

46:38

I think, but the reason I think

46:41

you and I both value our families

46:43

and our marriage because we had so

46:46

little growing up. It's so little emotional

46:49

love and support. It's like, God damn

46:51

it if I'm not gonna make this

46:52

fucking work. I'm not fucking

46:54

this up, I love you, I'm doing this.

46:57

Yeah, perfect, you said it perfectly. I couldn't

46:59

say it any better. I remember being on the

47:01

porch of my apartment one of the first

47:04

times, not the first time but within the first few months

47:06

of hanging out with my wife way before we

47:08

were dating. And I just opened up about all

47:10

that stuff and we just talked about growing

47:12

up and what it was like and we both

47:14

connected on some just

47:17

family issues growing up. And I think it

47:19

was, along the way we kind of decided

47:22

that we wanna stay as far away from that

47:24

type of shit as we can. Oh my God.

47:26

And so we work on stuff and

47:29

I think we are flexible and things, very

47:32

lucky so far. Right. I mean,

47:34

I don't know, she could be banging stuff right now but I. I'm

47:37

down there, I need you to do that. Yeah,

47:39

she is.

47:40

You guys have a good life, she ain't doing that. Yeah,

47:43

I think.

47:44

I

47:47

learned a lot about my mom too when I was cleaning

47:49

out her apartment and everything and all the prescription

47:51

bottles and now I have to do all her medication

47:54

and everything and kind of manage that situation. I

47:56

learned. I mean, she just had more pills

47:58

than.

48:00

What is she on? Is she on drug? Is she

48:02

recreational? Oh no, no, it's

48:05

all pharmaceutical stuff. Antipsychotics.

48:09

Oh cool. There

48:11

are so many things that I can't pronounce. And

48:14

so many different combinations. Azapines

48:17

and Zaziman? All that stuff, yeah. Zoster

48:19

bones? She was in one place for two

48:22

months and she assaulted somebody in there. So

48:25

we had to go through all the med lists and see what

48:27

created this. Now she's

48:29

in a new place. I love her

48:31

of course, but it has

48:33

not been an easy road lately.

48:37

But it's my mom and

48:39

she's great. I was a lot closer with my

48:42

dad growing up though. Sounds like it. Ironically

48:46

he was just around more. But she

48:48

was working. She was working

48:51

and you can't

48:53

falter for that. But I

48:56

don't know. I'm just...

48:59

How about the Patriots? You want to see Patriots? No, listen.

49:02

Okay,

49:05

so like everything you're saying, I think

49:07

Gen X grew up with

49:09

these selfish boomer parents.

49:13

Or my parents were traumatized

49:14

from war, from being in Eastern Europe

49:17

and communism

49:17

and all this shit. I don't know,

49:19

were your parents immigrants?

49:21

No, my dad

49:23

was from Dorchester. My mother was from

49:25

Arlington. Those are both places really close to

49:27

Boston. So no, I

49:29

think

49:30

their grandparents... No,

49:32

their grandparents. Like my grandparents. I didn't really

49:34

know. I knew one of my grandparents. But

49:38

my dad didn't have a father. There you go. There's

49:40

no father in his life. So I think he made it important

49:43

to be a good father of me in most

49:47

aspects besides bringing me to the

49:49

dog track all the time. Tell you guys to go. I... Oh yeah.

49:53

That's why you love dogs. I was telling you, that's why... Part

49:55

your love of the new family. I grew

49:57

up with this place. The Seabrook

49:59

Dog Track. I go there all the time and

50:01

I remember one time he let me bet on the dogs I won 70

50:04

bucks on a dog named Paul's friend. Okay,

50:06

and It's it's I'll

50:09

never forget it, you know $70 at that age. Oh, holy shit And

50:14

that probably wasn't a good role

50:16

modeling for me bringing me there But now I do

50:19

it I definitely I'd love love love

50:21

love dogs big-time And

50:22

isn't that funny though? Like when your parents especially

50:24

dads will take you to do bad shit Like

50:26

I grew up in bars and my clubs with my

50:28

dad and I went to Racetracks

50:31

a lot with him. Okay, you know, it's a bad places.

50:34

You feel so special and chosen when

50:36

you're a little kid Oh, yeah, when you're in there,

50:38

you're like, god, this is so cool.

50:40

Like yeah, I'm so grown

50:42

up. Yeah Yeah, well he had a part-time job at

50:44

a liquor store, too So I would be at the liquor store,

50:46

you know, and I you know, I would just

50:48

smell all this Beer

50:51

and everything. Well, it wasn't heaven to me then I

50:53

was just like what this fucking smell but I had to be

50:55

there because nobody could watch me because my mother

50:57

was at work Or whatever so, you know, he was an English

50:59

teacher and then he had a part-time job at

51:02

the liquor store afterwards So I would just sit in the liquor store

51:04

and read a

51:05

Batman or Spider-Man and cool

51:07

though But but you look at

51:09

it from but I'm pussy now

51:11

I'm I'm pulling back the lens and

51:13

going okay that makes sense because

51:15

this guy is like You're so

51:18

kind of real and you're so like grounded

51:20

and you're so I can

51:23

see the dots now in your art Oh,

51:25

yeah, you know in where you go like oh, well that makes

51:27

sense That's how

51:28

you get to talk to all kinds of people. You probably

51:30

talked all kinds of motherfuckers in a liquor store.

51:32

Yeah Yeah, absolutely.

51:35

There was one guy that went one guy that was one of his

51:37

former classmates that gave me a dollar He gave

51:39

me his last dollar and gave it to me and

51:41

my dad would not stop talking about how great

51:43

this guy was cuz he Get you stopped and gave me a dollar

51:46

and he was always like that's a good guy Yeah, I don't

51:48

know why they even pop it in my hair right now His

51:50

name was Paul right out and he's hopefully

51:53

he's still alive But yeah, I always just these

51:55

moments that you remember a lot of my life

51:57

is a blur But there are certain things that stick out and I can

51:59

recall Which I'm very grateful for

52:01

you know you want to have these memories Don't you want you

52:03

envy people that can recall these things that yeah

52:06

You know the other day George 7l

52:08

was telling me about this time one of the guys from onyx

52:10

came up to me back in 1995 and

52:13

like commented on my polo sweater. It's like yo

52:15

that shit is dope and We

52:17

were at the same radio station. He's like this guy Fredro

52:20

from onyx like yo that shirt is dope sweat

52:23

is dope and I was like I don't remember it at

52:25

all Yeah, George tell me that would

52:27

have meant so much to me That's

52:29

all I wanted then and I don't remember it. You

52:32

know and there is that memory anyway

52:34

I have bad memory too, and I think

52:36

a lot of it is trauma And that's what my shrink

52:38

tells me like they're just holes in your brain

52:41

From you from having to dissociate

52:43

as a child like it's just it just is Your

52:46

brain is so when you get into therapy

52:48

that the thought is that you go back and you

52:50

sew up Around these

52:52

holes and you make a narrative

52:54

at a story that makes sense so that you're not

52:56

like

52:57

I don't know if you fall into dissociative

52:59

episodes

52:59

or flashbacks or Get

53:02

dark and weird, but um I I

53:04

feel like I've had things that I can you

53:06

know

53:07

Qualifies that but I don't know they've never

53:10

actually been diagnosed But there are times where I come out

53:12

of my head, and I'm just like you know Yeah,

53:14

where was I yeah where was yeah? Yeah,

53:17

in day or two yeah, and

53:18

something can trigger in you're just like you

53:20

go into another place,

53:21

so I Don't

53:23

know dude. I mean it takes a long

53:25

time to get to get in there with therapy

53:28

and and just remembering It's

53:30

very tough. Yeah. Yeah,

53:32

it's gnarly But then you have kids on top of

53:35

it like that kind of scrambles your brains

53:37

a lot, too You know yeah, absolutely

53:39

they just the dainist of it I can't

53:41

I go pick up this motherfucker at the time and

53:43

then this and then we got that thing to

53:45

do yeah And it becomes a routine. I mean sometimes picking

53:47

up my daughter at school is that's like

53:49

my social hour You know it's like my break from

53:51

work like I'll work in the studio at

53:54

one point then you know three o'clock I gotta go pick

53:56

her up, and I'm like gee I gotta put some clothes

53:58

on to go you go you know And then I

54:01

wound up chatting with the other parents and talking about the kids.

54:03

And it's cathartic for half

54:05

an hour to kind of get that social time if you're

54:07

isolated working on stuff. I

54:10

don't know. So are they like,

54:12

your dad's the coolest?

54:15

They're like, did you do this on your own?

54:18

Like, is that dad's a rapper? I

54:21

don't know if they

54:22

think it's the coolest, but they know. You

54:24

know, I don't wanna say that. They never really,

54:27

you know, sometimes a couple of Ali's

54:29

friends will sing one of our songs. And

54:32

I, you know, I'm like, that's, and I

54:34

look at Ali and Ali, you know, Ali will

54:36

ask Alexa to play a song that she's

54:38

on, you know, she does a little thing with her voice and

54:41

she'll call it, she'll play, you know, some song from

54:43

Dua Lipa and then she'll play as our face song

54:45

because her voice is on it. And it's

54:47

just, it's like, I don't know. I don't know

54:49

how she processes that as if it's impressive. I know

54:51

that if I was her age and I was doing that, like

54:54

I'd be like, holy shit, you know. Yeah, I didn't shit my pants.

54:56

Yeah, yeah. And my son, you

54:59

know, he'll wear like a Wu Tang hoodie to school

55:01

or his our face hoodie to school and

55:04

MF Doom hoodie and kids will ask

55:06

him and he'll come back, he comes home and he's playing

55:09

New York State of Mind or

55:13

Doom track on the piano or the guitar.

55:15

So he plays the piano on the guitar, just, you know, he's learning,

55:17

but he plays these things and I'll

55:20

listen and I'll come in and be like, what's that? You know,

55:23

and then he'll teach me how to play it. And I'm like, my son

55:25

has teach me how to play these songs. And

55:27

I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna play these songs that I grew

55:29

up on. Whoa, cool. And it's just because, you know,

55:31

I just, I'm just, I write and I rap and I don't

55:34

play instruments, typical

55:36

rapper. And, but he's learning these

55:38

songs and he's showing me

55:40

how to play songs that helped me so much during my

55:43

coming of age in a way. Oh,

55:45

that's so cool. I started

55:47

talking about this rapper Guru from Boston from Gangstar.

55:50

Oh, Guru Premier. Listen, they come all

55:52

the time. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. A

55:54

couple of weeks ago, cause he's, Xavier is getting into this

55:57

stuff now and having questions and stuff and asking

55:59

about certain people. And I started talking

56:01

about him and he's gone now rest in

56:03

peace Guru And I started choking

56:05

up because of how much Guru meant to me and I'm passing

56:08

on that Things about Guru

56:10

to my son, and I was like I

56:13

don't want him my son to see me cry So

56:15

I can't get through it. It's just a weird thing

56:17

you know and then in whose marquee who

56:19

passed away It was such a such an

56:22

icon to me, but he was also on yo gabba

56:24

gabba My son grew up watching

56:27

We got to see him live and he saw

56:30

so when my son was probably five or six We

56:32

went into Boston to see bismarck

56:34

II and yo gabba gabba and bismarck

56:36

II and cool V are on stage Performing business

56:39

beat of the day and doing the beatbox, and I'm like this

56:41

is one of my heroes There

56:46

are little connections there that I have a tough time

56:49

like Manning my way

56:51

through and just being really stoic for I give

56:54

into these these feelings like wow

56:56

This is a moment. That's like you know and having

56:58

kids You know a lot of my not all of my closest

57:01

friends But some of my closest friends have

57:03

no children and it's by choice and

57:05

some of my closest friends can't see their kids

57:07

as often as they'd like and I really sympathize

57:10

empathize with them for that because Sometimes

57:13

I wish my friends

57:15

could because I'm so close with them could

57:18

experience what it's like to moment

57:21

you know and I'm sure They

57:24

wish that I could experience what it's like

57:26

to go out for a drink when I But

57:30

but it's one of these things where I think about

57:32

a couple of guys And I think geez I

57:35

wonder what their kid would be like at 15 And

57:37

if they know know these things that

57:39

run through my veins when I when I start talking

57:42

about my son, you know yeah You Know

57:45

or Ally and it's just one of the

57:47

I don't know it's one of these things That's just a big

57:49

part of my life of course yeah

57:52

Of course I love that. I know

57:54

I always when I'm alone with the kids

57:57

in the car I always make sure to educate

57:59

them on

57:59

or mom's cool music. Oh yeah,

58:02

yeah, yeah. Not Tom's cool music.

58:04

Because Tom

58:05

and mommy are vastly different. As

58:08

you can see, I'm the dark side of the board. And

58:10

I'm always like, this is Bauhaus, this is

58:12

The Clash. This is the most important

58:15

band in the world, The Clash. C-L-A-S-H,

58:17

boys, London College. Absolutely. And

58:20

I'll try to, and so now they

58:22

like a certain, they like some of the songs

58:24

that I like. Oh, the other day I got the five year

58:27

old to sing Rock the Casbah. That's

58:29

my favorite song of all time, Rock the Casbah. Oh yeah,

58:31

that's great. And so I was like, okay, do you know what the song's about?

58:34

Yeah, and there's this great podcast

58:36

on Spotify. Fuck, sorry,

58:38

I can't, who's in, I'm sorry, Public Enemy.

58:43

Chuck D, it's Chuck D narrates. And

58:46

it's about the parallels between

58:48

Public Enemy and The Clash. And

58:51

how Rap and punk

58:54

rock have, it's similar, same shit,

58:56

different toilet, right? It's all about sticking it to

58:58

the man and being

59:01

a voice of a generation and just

59:04

being rebellious as fuck. And it's such

59:06

a great podcast if you can live,

59:07

refine it on Spotify. Okay.

59:10

But so I feel like Tom and I are kindred souls

59:12

in that we're both sticking it to the man. I

59:14

went to England and he

59:15

took it to New York. The Bronx, yeah. He

59:18

took it to the Bronx. Yeah, absolutely.

59:20

But it's important shit to teach them these things.

59:22

Yeah, it is, it is. You know, I

59:25

said the other day, I was at the mothership and

59:27

you have to put the phones in the bags, you know? And

59:30

that gave me anxiety, you know? I was like, what's the

59:32

father? And then he just, you know, the guy at the door was

59:34

like, it's Mr. Rogan's Rules. Yeah.

59:36

And I said, no, it's fine. And, but

59:39

I came out of the show and

59:41

I turned on my phone and I got a text from my

59:43

son and he, it was an illustration

59:47

that he drew of EZE. No way.

59:49

And he drew EZE and it was, you

59:52

know, too late for me to respond to him at that

59:54

time. But, you know, EZE, you know, he's 15. What

59:58

EZE meant to me when I was.

1:00:01

15 versus you know he's just learning about him now but I mean that

1:00:03

was like my lifeblood I mean public

1:00:05

enemy NWA gang

1:00:08

star. That's

1:00:08

so cool and all these names you say it's only

1:00:10

because

1:00:11

of Tom Ciccarra that I know okay all

1:00:13

these people you listen. I'm so happy you

1:00:15

know his his big daddy Kane reference

1:00:18

you know that Kane that yeah

1:00:20

that's when I was like I got this guy you know I

1:00:22

wouldn't have had the

1:00:25

balls to say that you know to Kane but

1:00:28

yeah it's very relatable in a sense you

1:00:31

know if you see big daddy Kane you're seeing a fucking superhero.

1:00:33

Of

1:00:33

course and it's so it's so

1:00:35

funny like I wonder because

1:00:38

I try to stay cool but I'm not like

1:00:41

who are the influences today like

1:00:44

who like is it I know Taylor Swift we've got that

1:00:46

one I think Taylor is kind of

1:00:47

important to adolescent girls to young girls

1:00:50

yeah yeah cuz she's great for that right

1:00:52

yeah expressing feelings and dating

1:00:54

and blah blah and then you're like I guess my window

1:00:57

to that world is

1:00:59

you know Instagram unfortunately yeah I think

1:01:01

a lot of the the ship that rises to

1:01:03

the top with the most eyeballs on it can be filthy

1:01:06

and vulgar and pussy dick

1:01:08

concept yeah kind of basic that's kind

1:01:10

of how it goes and but we

1:01:12

grew up listening to Too Short and

1:01:14

the ghetto boys and you gotta let

1:01:17

your nuts hang. Gotta let you nuts hang right? I like

1:01:19

that one. Biz Marquis by

1:01:20

the way Biz was just like a

1:01:22

space alien that guy was so talented

1:01:24

and just so unusual and so

1:01:27

special yeah he's on a Doo-Wit.

1:01:30

Just Doo-Wit. They

1:01:32

were the best songs ever. Yeah and

1:01:34

then I checked ahead to be a

1:01:36

boy.

1:01:40

And my wife just revealed to me the other

1:01:43

day that she could play gratitude

1:01:45

on the guitar and I was like oh that blew

1:01:47

my mind. I didn't know you could play that. That

1:01:51

song. So good. So

1:01:54

I said you can and she said yeah and I said oh you should

1:01:56

play that with Xavier or whatever and I was in

1:01:58

Austin when she told me. And actually got what I'm doing.

1:02:01

So they had a little session where they're playing the Beastie

1:02:03

Boys. So

1:02:03

that's tough Okay,

1:02:06

remember this one go bought the name

1:02:08

of the king add rock rock super

1:02:10

educated on smarter than spot

1:02:13

spot Every time you hear me you will

1:02:15

agree ain't no blood a lot. What

1:02:17

is a the

1:02:17

k-i-d? Oh, yeah But

1:02:27

then you heard them do it later, yeah does

1:02:29

make it in some oh, yeah

1:02:32

It is magic

1:02:34

but even those little

1:02:35

Like slivers of

1:02:37

hearing biz you're like that guy was rad.

1:02:39

Oh, yeah. He sounds like he's just on

1:02:41

another planet And

1:02:44

I you know I've got some guys from that era that

1:02:46

grew up with biz and hung with biz and they talk

1:02:49

about biz And it just you know, what was

1:02:51

the deal? Actually

1:02:53

a documentary out now, I forget what

1:02:55

it's called, but it's a biz marquee documentary. I watched

1:02:58

it It was dope dope footage from from that era

1:03:00

the 80s and everything You

1:03:02

know, he's just a really unique guy that

1:03:04

loved hip-hop and loved he loves collecting

1:03:06

records love collecting rarities And and

1:03:09

I just one day my man will see

1:03:11

who's a good friend of mine. He's a producer and a record

1:03:13

collector guy he traded

1:03:16

records with biz marquee and And biz

1:03:18

marquee sent him a song back an original song

1:03:21

as a gift just where he's rapping about

1:03:23

will see And and to this

1:03:25

day it still blows my fucking mind.

1:03:28

I'm like, how can I get involved with that song?

1:03:30

it already exists, but he never said my name and

1:03:34

No, but it was just such a gift for

1:03:36

him to do that for will just

1:03:38

on the strength of them collecting tapes Like

1:03:40

radio shows from WBLS in 1984

1:03:43

like these things have a lot of value these cassettes

1:03:45

and and will has them all He's

1:03:47

a aficionado of all that stuff and there was a few gaps

1:03:49

in business collection that will could fill and Biz

1:03:52

hit him with his own song. It's great. That's crazy.

1:03:55

Yeah. Yeah, remember

1:03:55

that shit taping songs

1:03:57

off the radio. Absolutely

1:03:59

They're like, oh my God, what's that song? I had to do

1:04:02

it.

1:04:02

I did it with Salt and Pepper, would push it. Oh yeah.

1:04:05

I was like sixth grade, I came out and we were like, what

1:04:07

is this song? I mean, you're recording.

1:04:09

Like, what is he talking about? What

1:04:12

the fuck is this about, dude? Like,

1:04:14

an LL Cool J and just,

1:04:17

yeah, all these influences.

1:04:18

Yeah, and that's the only way

1:04:20

we could replay them really, is on a cassette at that

1:04:22

time, I think.

1:04:23

Yeah, there's something good about not

1:04:26

having a whole lot of choice. Didn't we be talking about

1:04:28

this on your mom's house where you're like, I got this album.

1:04:31

I'm just gonna listen to it like 500 times because.

1:04:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I have

1:04:35

to go deep on it. Absolutely, Dana Dane,

1:04:38

a rapper from the mid 80s, he

1:04:41

put out this album called Dana Dane with Fame. I'm pretty sure that

1:04:43

was the name of it, but it was an eight song album and

1:04:46

I really loved three of

1:04:48

the songs at the beginning, but I

1:04:50

learned to love all eight because that was the only tape I

1:04:52

had for a long time. No. And it stayed

1:04:54

in rotation and I was like, okay, I know this one back

1:04:56

and forth because it has to wait a couple of weeks for

1:04:59

another tape to come out. Because there was so many, you could name every artist

1:05:01

that was putting out records at that time. There weren't

1:05:03

so many where on Spotify where they say there's like 60,000 new

1:05:05

songs. It's hard to even. Uploaded

1:05:08

a day.

1:05:08

Maybe that's why, this is funny, this

1:05:10

is interesting. You were talking about this music

1:05:12

because this might be what started my love of

1:05:14

comedy because growing up, we

1:05:17

had cable television and if you recall,

1:05:20

they played the same five

1:05:22

fucking movies every day. So I

1:05:24

memorized, I mean, I studied

1:05:27

and memorized comedy movies.

1:05:29

Not just watch them. Revenge of the Nerds, I can

1:05:31

fucking do by heart. Ghostbusters.

1:05:35

Yeah, we've got Bush. Ghostbusters,

1:05:37

I can do verbatim. Spaceballs.

1:05:40

Coming to America is probably the

1:05:42

most perfect comedy ever

1:05:45

fucking made. And

1:05:47

they play multiple characters in that.

1:05:49

You've got Arcido Hall, who's young and gifted,

1:05:51

of course, Eddie Murphy. And man.

1:05:55

Oh, it's great. James Earl Jones. Drafted school,

1:05:57

Old Wolf Astoria.

1:05:57

And you think about the.

1:05:59

repetition of watching these movies on cable

1:06:02

and I think this was part of my comedy education

1:06:04

is like learning the timing

1:06:06

and and how to say the lines and medical

1:06:09

book stacking just like the Philadelphia case in 1964. You're

1:06:12

right Ray, no human beings that books like

1:06:14

this. I wanted to be inside of these

1:06:19

movies

1:06:19

so badly. But

1:06:22

you're doing

1:06:22

that with your comic books and with your

1:06:25

music and I was watching

1:06:26

Spaceballs and Ghostbusters. Oh

1:06:29

I know Spaceballs too. Barf? Barf?

1:06:31

Yeah. Call

1:06:34

him the desert. Call him the desert. We ain't found

1:06:36

shit. That

1:06:39

was golden day. God, that

1:06:41

was so fun. Yeah and as

1:06:44

you said Ghostbusters. I always

1:06:46

think about Ghostbusters when it came out at

1:06:48

the same time as Beat Street and

1:06:50

we had a... I'm sorry is that Breaking 2,

1:06:52

electric boogalow? That's a sequel to Breaking.

1:06:55

Right, Beat Street is what? It's another movie

1:06:58

about B-Boy. Yeah it is. They came out

1:07:00

around, now I'm like

1:07:03

confused as to which movie it was but it was a movie.

1:07:05

Look it up. Okay

1:07:06

Breaking was probably

1:07:08

my favorite

1:07:08

but and then Beat Street. Yeah

1:07:11

Beat Street, King of the Beat. There was a time

1:07:14

where we could go to the movies and my father

1:07:16

took me and it was a Ghostbusters or

1:07:18

it was Breaking. Shit.

1:07:22

Yeah, whichever it was either Beat Street

1:07:24

or Breaking that came out the same time as Ghostbusters

1:07:26

and I chose Beat

1:07:29

Street or Breaking and that's when I... my

1:07:31

path. You could have gone gravity

1:07:33

and you went hip-hop.

1:07:36

But I still met you here. Now that's interesting because

1:07:38

had there

1:07:39

been like a female

1:07:41

MC like some dorky white girl,

1:07:43

maybe

1:07:44

it could have been like oh my god,

1:07:45

I'm gonna have a rapper. My heart is in comedy.

1:07:48

Well you have made a rap song. It's

1:07:50

terrible. No, no, no it's not. I

1:07:52

love Craig Sean. He's good. Maybe

1:07:55

I'll try again. We'll see.

1:07:58

We'll see. Yeah. Anyway I'm... I'm

1:08:00

so glad you came here. What a fun,

1:08:02

I can't believe we just had like the most amazing

1:08:05

podcast ever just now.

1:08:06

Oh, thank, I mean you definitely

1:08:08

drove the ship but I'm happy to be here. No, you're

1:08:10

too humble about your talent. You're

1:08:12

so fucking humble, stop it. Stop

1:08:15

it guys. Oh, I'm not humble. You are.

1:08:17

Well, that's my wife. She

1:08:21

thinks I'm an ego man, no. But

1:08:23

thanks. Yeah, you're

1:08:24

the best guys. Artificial Intelligence,

1:08:27

it's out December 1st. Get

1:08:29

it for Christmas. Where can people buy this album?

1:08:32

Where should they buy

1:08:32

it? They buy it at the vinyl

1:08:35

version at tons of independent

1:08:37

record stores all around the country, especially

1:08:40

soundtracks in Beverly Mass, which

1:08:42

is 7L's record store, you can get it there.

1:08:45

But you can obviously stream it on Spotify

1:08:48

and Apple and all those good places. But

1:08:50

by the vinyl. Yeah, by the vinyl, I

1:08:52

would love to say, yeah, you just go over to Tower Records

1:08:54

and get it. But I think you gotta go to Japan

1:08:56

for Tower Records now. There's just one left standing

1:08:58

if I'm not mistaken. Do you know I just bought a turntable

1:09:02

and I listen

1:09:02

to records now and I rebought all my goth and

1:09:05

punk records, like I just bought the Damned. Oh,

1:09:07

and the Circle Jerks, I'm showing my kids that. Oh

1:09:10

good, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great.

1:09:13

It's all good shit. All good shit. All right, I

1:09:16

love you, thank you for being here. I

1:09:18

love you too. I bet you can't wait to pet those dogs.

1:09:21

I can't, I gotta get up. And hug those babies and

1:09:23

give your wife a kiss. Absolutely. You've

1:09:25

been in Austin now for a few days, you're ready to go home.

1:09:27

Yup, I'm gonna bring your COVID home with me It's

1:09:30

not COVID, allergies,

1:09:32

gosh. I love you, I'm just kidding. All

1:09:35

right, I love you, thank you for listening.

1:09:38

Subscribe to the show and then until

1:09:41

next time, stay cool, moms, bye. Where my

1:09:43

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1:09:45

Where my moms, where my moms at? In

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bonsai, clean the kids, clean the shit,

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see the long ends. Where my moms, where

1:09:51

my moms, where my moms at? Where my

1:09:53

moms at? Hot dogs! Hot

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