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Welcome to Whinny Tales. I'm

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your host, Julianne Neal, and we're here

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with Bruce Anderson and friends with

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all of our favorite horse stories, pony

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legends and unicorn yarns. Tune

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in each week to hear from Bruce with Nature's

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View training tips as well as conversations

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with some of our favorite horse lovers. Remember,

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The Joy's In the Ride! Good

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morning! And morning

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to you, Baby. Well,

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it's so funny because this is going to be

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the first episode of our podcast,

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Whinny Tales. And so

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of course we had to start it off by

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explaining some things and, letting

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our viewers know, o r actually our audience,

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some of them will v iew and some of them would

0:57

be just listening, but to let them know what

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it is that we do and why in the world

1:01

we thought we should have a podcast. Anyway, so

1:04

I say again, good morning. I'm speaking

1:07

with Bruce Anderson who

1:09

is the founder of Nature's View and

1:11

Natural Humanship. And

1:13

Bruce, w e're sitting, you can hear the birds in

1:15

the background, the chickens pecking

1:17

around outside. We're sitting on the back porch.

1:20

Why is it that you start your mornings

1:22

here on the back porch every day?

1:24

I guess the long and the short of the story is because

1:27

this is my peaceful place. And

1:32

from here what's cool

1:34

is the view. I looked

1:36

back into what I call the little

1:38

meadow, which was like a little

1:40

hollow. And

1:43

when I looked through the screen, the

1:46

first thing that comes into

1:48

play is a little pond

1:50

that we've built and

1:53

how this is trickling water. And

1:57

then behind that I have this hanging

1:59

bench from this big

2:01

old Oak tree that

2:03

has a lot of stories to tell about our

2:06

journey. And on that

2:08

bench I have different things hanging it , which

2:10

also tells stories. And

2:12

then to the left of it, we have this makeshift

2:15

bird feeder out

2:17

of Gatorade bottle and

2:21

it's kinda cool to watch the birds in

2:23

the morning eating there. And then

2:25

the chickens all congregate around

2:28

here. You hear the crows

2:30

going on, you're listening out for the hawk

2:33

that likes to attack my chickens.

2:37

Um, you can see the horses down

2:39

in the fields of times. Looking

2:42

up, waiting to see when you're

2:44

coming to feed them. So

2:46

there's just bunch of nature running

2:48

around here.

2:50

Okay. I wanted to talk a little bit about

2:52

the podcast and so to introduce

2:54

some things, we're going to be speaking

2:57

with people that

2:59

we meet along the way and

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people who have been a part

3:03

of the Nature's View journey and

3:06

also some with, with the folks

3:08

that we meet through the EQUUS Film Festival

3:11

or through other work that we

3:13

do. And so I think it's going to be an exciting

3:15

time and I'm

3:17

excited because the cover of our

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podcast features a specific

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horse named Winnie. So

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tell me, tell me , um , who

3:27

is Winnie and why is he important

3:30

to you?

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tSo, the short end of the story or where

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the story in my head starts is

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where it ended.

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I'm not originally from here and

4:08

I guess I'm an immigrant, not

4:11

intentionally by the way. Um

4:13

, a legal one now.

4:17

Um, anyway, so I

4:20

was working on this farm and I met their stallion which

4:23

was just an incredible horse, not just

4:25

physically, but mentally. And

4:27

I met his offspring and I

4:29

borrowed a thoroughbred mare and bred to

4:31

this Dutch warmblood stallion.

4:34

And not that it matters that he was Dutch warmblood

4:37

or not, but it just happened to be and

4:40

, um, had this mare and

4:42

for many years she traveled

4:44

with us. Um,

4:47

a lot of people helped me with her along the way

4:49

in her development, et cetera, along

4:53

on the story is, Winnie

4:56

is a second foal from

4:59

this mare and I always saw

5:01

her as the foundation male and

5:04

, um , he was very special to us

5:06

and , um, and

5:09

one day I felt the need on

5:11

Julianne's birthday to gift it to her, which

5:14

is what we did. So Winston

5:17

is actually the

5:20

second foal from

5:22

Rochelle. So yeah,

5:26

he is sort of the continuation.

5:29

I thought it was cool to include him on

5:31

there because he's part of the journey

5:34

for , for both of us. And um,

5:36

he has his own journey to now

5:38

his brother Marley is

5:41

the namesake. I guess

5:43

you'd call it the , the face of

5:45

our nonprofit, which is called the

5:47

Marley project. And

5:50

I, when we met you and I back

5:52

awhile back 20 years ago

5:54

, um, you were just

5:57

about breeding Rochelle . And so

5:59

we had , um, some conversations

6:01

about that and the neighbor down the street

6:04

had a really nice Arabian stallion. And

6:06

so I remember that whole process

6:08

of going through Marley being born

6:10

and, and him as a little baby

6:12

and we couldn't think of a name. And so,

6:15

you know , we had that conversation about, I

6:18

always say he's named after the

6:20

Marley horses at the Louvre in France,

6:22

but I think you're, you're sticking to the Bob

6:24

Marley side of it. So, which is

6:26

good cause , um , that means he's,

6:29

he's got a little bit of both of us in

6:31

there, but it was really , um, a

6:33

, a nice , uh , journey for us

6:36

to start the nonprofit and to be able

6:38

to do some pretty special things

6:40

as we , um, as we got

6:42

that going. So Marley is

6:44

Winnie's brother and um, I'm

6:46

excited that I've been able

6:48

to take Winnie and do

6:51

my dressage stuff with him and he's

6:53

just a great horse. And so I thought it was neat

6:55

to include him in on, on

6:57

the cover of the podcast. So you've

6:59

been talking about nature and

7:02

how it affects you in

7:05

the mornings as you come out for your cup of coffee

7:07

and getting back in touch with yourself.

7:09

And I guess that was why Nature's

7:12

View continued from just

7:14

being, I always hear you

7:16

talk about the story of finding, finding

7:19

the beginnings of developing

7:22

the system as you were searching for

7:24

yourself and happened

7:26

to meet Anne Shirley who's a friend of ours

7:28

and she wanted her horses started I guess.

7:30

And you kind of put that together.

7:33

So can you tell a little bit about that?

7:35

What, how that started, what happened, what

7:37

you decided to do from there?

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Well to me the catalyst from all of that

7:42

was my passing and my mum . Um,

7:45

now when I look back, it's not her passing,

7:47

but the pressure of that I

7:50

guess just sent me off on this tangent.

7:53

Um, spun my life out of control

7:57

and um, you

7:59

just wanted to run away into the bush.

8:01

We've done that

8:03

was it, but it wasn't an

8:05

ending either, you know, not the passing,

8:08

no . That moment it was actually a beginning. Um,

8:13

and I left the job that

8:15

I had. I vow

8:17

not to work for anybody again. Be csreful what

8:23

you ask for. My

8:26

story was that I was going

8:29

to help horses survive in the world

8:31

that we have created as opposed to the world we created

8:33

for: People's world, Nature's

8:35

world. And

8:38

um, it's funny how at

8:40

that point obviously

8:42

I had a dog on a horse to look

8:44

after , um, that

8:46

would be Rollie and Rochelle

8:49

, so had to have some income.

8:53

Um, so the long and the short of it is I freelancing

8:57

and horse wise and I

8:59

would do whatever it took. And

9:03

a friend of mine had lent me a

9:05

book , um,

9:07

by this particular author, which

9:10

in reading the book the round pen came

9:12

into play. So

9:14

one thing led to another and I started working with these

9:16

five horses that we now call starting

9:18

horses because it's an ongoing

9:20

process. Um, it, it's always

9:23

happening. Um, and

9:28

the word breaking just sounds

9:30

like a contradiction to what your goal is.

9:32

Kind of like surviving and

9:35

perfection. Perfection to me is a contradiction

9:37

to survival. Um,

9:40

because if you're perfect, there's no more room for growth. So

9:43

off I went on this journey and

9:46

what I realized was in trying to help

9:48

horses not realize what's

9:50

his and her problem, I was a problem. And

9:53

then I realized, well, it wasn't me, but my conditioning,

9:56

which then allowed hope to come to life

9:58

truly. Because now

10:00

I realize this , if this person

10:02

that I am is not really me, and the

10:04

things that I'm doing is not really, you

10:07

know, a fault of mine

10:09

in a sense because who I am, but

10:12

more because of what had been

10:14

through and the conditioning done to me, I

10:17

realized that I'd been conditioned to

10:19

be this way, which isn't beneficial

10:21

to survival. Um,

10:24

and I thought if this was done to me, has

10:26

it been done to anybody else? And

10:29

what I realize it has been, and

10:32

when I started this journey for the first four

10:34

years, it was just about working with horses, not

10:36

people. That's the last thing I wanted to work

10:39

with. Um, and

10:41

as I went down this road for

10:44

the first four years, I couldn't put

10:46

into words what I was experiencing.

10:50

Um, it was more of a feeling. So

10:52

it was like X , what

10:54

I, I terminology now as it's

10:57

like you mining

11:01

for something and

11:03

you don't know quite what you're mining for,

11:05

but you are mining, you

11:08

know, digging into finding

11:11

out more about what it is you

11:13

experiencing. What was

11:16

interesting after the first four

11:18

years, finally, the

11:20

nature's view system came to life. I didn't come

11:22

up with that name. That name evolved through

11:24

the work. It wasn't Bruce Anderson's training

11:27

program. It was Nature's View

11:29

because this is what I found through

11:32

the horse. I realize that

11:35

the horse is helping me

11:37

find what I call the spirit of

11:39

my spirit, the me . Um

11:42

, now it's

11:44

a process. And what you have to

11:46

go do, do is basically go

11:49

back down the tunnel that you came

11:51

up and through

11:53

the horse he's helping you recalibrate

11:56

your muscle memory, you know,

11:59

and sort of I guess recondition

12:03

you , um, or help you find

12:08

the true you to allow you to be,

12:11

you know, the steward that you're meant to be. Um,

12:14

an a number of different things were going

12:16

on at the same time. So

12:19

very early on in this work that

12:22

started to come to an understanding

12:25

of that. And then when I

12:27

finished or when I got

12:29

to a point cause it never ends

12:32

and the horse I side of

12:34

it. Um,

12:37

and it finally I finally understood

12:39

it and I felt that the cycle had been completed

12:43

to that point anyway, I

12:46

suddenly realized. We

12:50

still are helping me

12:53

to help myself, to help others to help

12:55

themselves , um , meaning

12:57

the horses. But if it weren't for horses,

13:00

what I realized that the horse was helping me.

13:04

So therefore I realized

13:06

now I had to show the best

13:08

way to help the horses to show how the horse can

13:11

help other people. And

13:13

I don't say humans because I don't feel

13:15

that we are as humane as we could be.

13:19

Um, get back in touch with their humanity. So

13:24

for many years traveling down this

13:26

road, as things were evolving, you

13:29

know, people would give it different titles. They would

13:31

say it's natural horsemanship.

13:33

And that felt, no, I

13:36

don't really feel it's natural horsemanship because

13:38

yes, in a sense I'm training horses, but

13:41

I don't feel that I'm really training horses and

13:44

I'm working with people. I'm not really training people.

13:47

Then they call the gentling and so on and so

13:49

forth until not too long

13:51

ago when I said not too

13:53

long ago, you get to this point in life that not

13:56

long ago is like five years ago, you

13:58

know , six years ago. Um,

14:01

the word that evolved was

14:03

, um, Natural Humanship, and

14:07

I'm not trading horses, but in training

14:09

horses, the

14:12

byproduct is you are

14:14

being trained in a sense and

14:17

not trained, but being allowed

14:20

the opportunity to

14:22

get back in touch with your

14:24

humanity, get back in touch with yourself,

14:27

the youth , and

14:30

in helping the horse before you can help the horse

14:32

to the extent that you need to help the horse to survive

14:34

in the world we created, you

14:36

first have to get back in touch with yourself.

14:38

So we're finally putting in the cart, you

14:41

know, where belongs behind the horse,

14:43

not in front of the horse. So

14:46

to me, what I found was

14:48

that in this work, you're not training

14:50

, but you're giving them the

14:52

three pieces that were missing consciously.

14:55

We have them in us and

14:58

on. So on one hand you've given them the three pieces.

15:01

You're not training somebody and

15:04

then giving them these three pieces at

15:07

the same time. You're also

15:09

helping them through

15:12

the help of the horse to recalibrate

15:14

that muscle memory. So there

15:16

are two things going on when you do this work.

15:18

One, consciously

15:21

understanding the three pieces and to

15:24

literally with the help of the horse started

15:26

to recalibrate the muscle memory that has

15:29

been altered to allow

15:31

you to find that balance. And

15:33

in so doing the horse is

15:35

helping us to help ourselves get

15:39

back in touch, not just

15:41

physically, mentally, spiritually

15:44

, um, but also

15:47

altering our philosophy,

15:50

which normally is what

15:53

we do on this planet pretty

15:56

much. To survive,

15:58

to be successful, we

16:00

need to take something that is less, careful with the word less

16:02

, and

16:08

use it to enrich yourself. And that

16:10

has been our philosophy. And

16:12

because of this philosophy, the

16:14

byproduct of this I

16:17

feel is for

16:21

lack of better word, it

16:23

has influenced our environment, physical

16:25

environment in

16:27

not a positive way. And

16:30

it was interesting because yesterday

16:32

I saw all these

16:34

young people protesting in

16:36

New York city. About the

16:39

physical environment and that we

16:41

need to do something to change. Once

16:43

again, what I'm seeing

16:47

because of the knowledge from the work is

16:50

that we're putting the cart before the horse. Again,

16:53

they are saying that we need to do something

16:56

about changing what

16:58

we're doing to the environment, which is fantastic,

17:02

but guess what

17:05

[inaudible]

17:06

it's not just the physical environment

17:08

around us that has been

17:10

affected by this mindset

17:13

that I call tyrant. It's a

17:15

capital T at the beginning cup of tea at the end is not

17:18

the word in the dictionary and

17:22

what it is that's been altered besides

17:25

the physical environment are people.

17:28

We are just as affected

17:31

as the environment is, but we don't

17:33

realize it because you can't

17:35

necessarily see it, but

17:39

it's still affecting us. So

17:42

to me, until we become

17:44

consciously aware of these three things,

17:49

it is fantastic

17:50

that they're doing what they're doing. But

17:52

until you recalibrate yourself

17:56

with the help of the horse, all

18:01

those good intentions aren't going to be

18:03

met to the extent that they need to meet,

18:06

especially how quickly this environment is

18:08

being affected physically until

18:11

we recalibrate and fix all

18:13

the cells. You

18:17

won't be able to

18:20

more than likely, and I hope I'm wrong, make

18:24

the changes that you need to to

18:26

start the change of the physical environment.

18:32

And what's interesting is when you try

18:34

to share that with people because

18:37

of what was done to

18:40

us, it blocks

18:42

them from getting it because all they hear

18:44

you saying is that they're making a mistake.

18:48

And it's sort of fascinating

18:51

for me is how do you get

18:53

this word out? You

18:56

know, which is not fascinating, but

18:58

actually literally frustrating

19:01

because when I tried to share this on a smaller

19:03

scale to those who say that want to make a

19:05

difference in

19:08

life or in whatever career they choose,

19:11

it's amazing how when you try to share this with them,

19:14

it's like they shut you down. And

19:18

for me it just becomes so frustrating. It's like,

19:21

why do I keep doing this? If

19:24

the people in power don't care, why

19:26

do I care? So

19:31

back in, I would say back

19:33

about 10 years ago or even

19:35

further back than that, we

19:37

started approaching people and

19:39

you had some conversations with

19:42

the police department here in Camden

19:44

and I think that was the beginning of

19:48

um, finding ways of

19:50

sharing it specifically

19:53

where you had groups come out. And

19:55

at that time there was not a lot of talk in

19:58

the equine world about um

20:00

, horses being used for other things

20:03

than just riding or whatever. There wasn't like,

20:05

now when I, when I see things out

20:08

in the horse world, there's a lot of talk of

20:10

corporate training and working

20:12

with veterans with PTSD and all

20:14

that. But back when we were beginning this,

20:17

you were, this was,

20:20

you were cutting edge and there was not

20:22

a lot out there with horses

20:24

being used. So you had some conversations

20:27

with our local police chief Joe

20:29

Floyd, and I'm , from what I

20:31

remember, he kinda thought

20:33

he would tell you, yeah, yeah, let's do

20:35

it. And then , um, we

20:38

didn't really have anything going on with it, but

20:40

then one day he finally

20:42

said, all right, I'm going to send some of my officers

20:45

out to see what it is you do. So

20:47

what happened at that point when the officers

20:49

came, how did that go and how

20:51

did things develop after that? With

20:53

our local police department ,

20:58

um, first

21:01

of all, hats off to chief

21:04

Floyd for him to climb

21:07

onto this wagon and

21:09

say that he's going to do it. That was

21:11

big. Um, but

21:14

then again, that shows the character of this person

21:16

and how much he cares, literally cares about

21:18

his people. And so yes,

21:20

we, we started working with him

21:22

and you, Julianne

21:25

created a curriculum

21:27

with their help or listening

21:29

to through what they were looking for. And

21:32

we were able to tailor a curriculum for them

21:34

and it work .

21:36

I just remember that she , Floyd called

21:38

you into his office after the officers

21:40

came out and he said, I

21:42

want to know what kind of mind altering

21:44

drugs you have injected my captains

21:47

with, because all they can talk

21:49

about is that everybody in the department

21:51

needs to come and work with you with these horses.

21:54

And so even, you know, that's been

21:56

10 years ago, even 10 years later

21:58

when you walk into the police department

22:00

here, there's an officer that will

22:02

come up random people and

22:04

say, Hey, I want to come work with the horses

22:06

because they've heard this tale for

22:09

so long. So I think that was

22:11

the catalyst in my mind. That

22:13

was the catalyst having chief Floyd

22:15

support. And as you said, he went

22:17

up and presented in front of the officers

22:20

in Columbia for, for their meetings.

22:22

And um, this was about

22:24

the time of current hurricane Katrina

22:27

actually, because Alan

22:29

Trapp was the training officer at the time

22:31

that we worked with to develop the curriculum.

22:33

And he , he reached

22:36

out to people that were suffering from

22:38

traumas following the hurricane and

22:40

basically said, you know, this work helps

22:43

with PTSD, this

22:45

work helpful would help with your training

22:47

officers as they work on, you

22:50

know, our lesson plans were based on anger

22:52

management and communication and

22:54

body language and for , for

22:57

what we call it in our horse work, its

22:59

pressure but the police call

23:01

it degree of compliance. And so,

23:03

you know, we were able to translate the

23:05

pressure side of it into

23:08

the language that would mean something to

23:10

officers as they were doing their recertification and,

23:13

and that sort of thing. So , um, I

23:15

just thought it was really special that

23:18

the chief understood it and

23:20

valued it so much that, you know,

23:22

he, he continues to support us to

23:24

this day. And so that, you know,

23:26

over time from working with

23:28

the police and working

23:30

with , um, Greenville technical

23:33

college, there was a professor, Barry

23:35

Shreve that you worked with to

23:38

have some workshops for his students

23:40

on the horse work. And so they

23:42

would learn lessons in the classroom and then

23:44

come and

23:46

have a workshop day with you. And put it into

23:48

practice. Connie Brown, you

23:50

just been able to work with a variety, which

23:52

is funny that you bring up Connie Brown because

23:54

I spoke to her the other day and she's

23:56

in a way to Egypt if I'm not mistaken

23:59

to give a presentation, but

24:03

apparently the organization that she's a member

24:05

of or one of the organizations

24:07

that she's a member of what they're

24:09

talking about and what I do is

24:14

what they're talking about. And she

24:16

suggested that they need to talk to us.

24:22

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24:22

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24:25

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24:32

work with somebody like Connie and

24:35

um, it's, it's a thing where you

24:37

know, they're doing classroom work on whatever

24:39

the topic is and then they come

24:42

out and work with you. How in the

24:44

past, how has that been

24:46

a positive? How does that translate into

24:50

helping them? Why would somebody want to come

24:52

out and add this piece to

24:54

what they're doing? So

25:01

Kalani Brown , that's just a

25:03

cool name. It just flows . And

25:05

when I think of Connie Brown to

25:09

understand Connie Brown for

25:11

me, yo , you

25:14

have to understand where we started from with her. The

25:19

way that we got together was because

25:21

of this horse that she rescued. And

25:24

the long, and the short of it is it goes back to nine

25:26

11. She

25:30

was, was he nine

25:32

o'clock, nine 11 victim. Um,

25:37

and through this work it

25:40

does help to break out of that.

25:44

What she learned from that was

25:47

that what

25:50

the work talks about, how we're not reaching

25:52

our full potential. So the reason why she brings

25:54

us in is that these

25:56

people that she's working with, it's

25:59

not what they're doing, but the pressure created by

26:01

what they're doing. Um , they're

26:04

not reaching their full potential and

26:06

no motto how much knowledge she infuses

26:09

into them, they still

26:11

won't be able to put that knowledge into

26:14

work, into play because

26:17

of our conditioning. And what

26:19

she realized because of her own experience

26:22

in the work , um,

26:26

that this work will help them break

26:28

down those barriers. So

26:30

therefore these people of hers that

26:32

she works with , um, because

26:34

it's about doing the

26:36

best job she can do. Um,

26:39

by sharing this piece with

26:41

them, I don't teach anything, but to

26:43

me this piece is a key piece that's missing

26:46

in society. I

26:48

don't , this doesn't train you.

26:51

It's almost like the pill that you take that

26:53

allows a knowledge to come in without

26:57

this pill. You acquire knowledge.

26:59

You can accomplish the task that you're doing,

27:03

but you're not going to reach the

27:05

full potentials and get

27:07

to your full potential. So it's not about

27:10

getting to the full potential of

27:12

your ability in that particular environment,

27:15

but through that environment, reaching the full

27:18

potential of who you are meant to be.

27:20

Therefore allowing you to be the

27:22

person that you are meant to be, that

27:25

unique person. So it allows

27:27

you the freedom to break out of the mood

27:29

to be valued . Um,

27:32

and Connie realizes this. So

27:35

by bringing us in, she's

27:37

using these techniques to help

27:39

people to become stronger within

27:41

themselves so they can now take

27:43

these tools that she sharing

27:46

with them to reach their full

27:48

potential in this particular field.

27:51

Um, so market trading,

27:54

that was what I couldn't think of. Correct. Which

27:57

is funny because every time I think of Connie

27:59

Brown, I think of when she took us to New

28:01

York city and I

28:03

never knew that your palms can sweat.

28:08

So because here we go into

28:10

this building in New York city because

28:12

my environment, first of all,

28:15

first and foremost, I started this to get away from

28:17

people, my

28:19

environment, my church, Micah

28:21

thedral is around Penn . I

28:24

mean, and my,

28:28

the only thing that I communicate with was, is with

28:30

that one horse. So

28:32

now I'm going to New York city, which is

28:34

like all this pressure.

28:37

And then you go into this building that belongs

28:40

to, what's the guy's name? Bloomberg.

28:42

Bloomberg, which, who

28:45

is this? Bloomberg? All I know is like this famous

28:48

person, whatever, multimillionaire

28:52

. So the pressure wasn't

28:54

so much that the

28:57

pressure was here.

29:01

I have been given this gift and

29:04

given thank

29:07

you rooster. Given this

29:12

task to

29:14

share this information with, with the

29:16

world in my head, good,

29:19

bad or indifferent sometimes. A lot

29:21

of times I think, okay, I'm losing it

29:23

big time and

29:25

now I'm on

29:28

this stage in this particular

29:30

building.

29:31

Yeah .

29:33

[inaudible] one of the greatest cities in the United

29:35

States fall us for the world and

29:38

now I finally have the stage to share

29:40

this information with.

29:42

So don't mess it up. So

29:44

like I'm freaking out and

29:47

she's going to give a talk on

29:50

market trading.

29:51

Maka traded .

29:53

And so you're in this building and

29:56

you have to go through all this security and

29:58

you're now in the room with

30:00

all these people sitting down watching you.

30:03

Not only that, but it's been live

30:06

stream, live streamed. And

30:10

I'm sitting there listening to Connie give a talk and I

30:12

don't even know what the hell she's

30:14

talking about,

30:16

all the numbers

30:17

and yada, yada yada. And then it was

30:19

my turn to go on stage and

30:22

do my presentation. So here

30:24

I am not wearing my short pants.

30:26

I'm really out of things fall

30:28

as four cause I have to wear these long

30:30

pants or look neat and tidy and whatever.

30:33

Not to say I don't look neat and tidy when I worked with my

30:36

horses , but it's certainly not the same outfit.

30:38

And I'm an Island boy. You know,

30:41

it's like we are custom

30:43

, uh, you know, flip flops if not

30:45

barefoot and your short pants and your tee shirt . So

30:48

now I'm in this suit and I walk up there with

30:50

a briefcase, it's

30:53

like briefcase. And

30:56

then I popped the briefcase open and

30:58

output, I pull the Lariat and

31:01

then I do my little demonstration and blah, blah,

31:03

blah, blah. And it was kind of interesting. Um,

31:07

so yeah, that was, that was

31:10

pretty wild occasion.

31:12

Um, and so I've watched

31:14

you in, in these workshops

31:16

scenarios where they've worked on all

31:20

morning on knowing when to buy

31:22

or when to sell or what they should react

31:24

to or whatever. And so it's, I

31:26

just think it's a great thing to be able to come out

31:28

and practice that. And with

31:31

Connie or with other people that you work with

31:33

in this capacity? I've heard them say, Oh,

31:35

it'll stop you in the middle of something

31:37

in the round pen and say, okay, what you're doing right

31:39

there, that's what you did this

31:42

morning and you wouldn't sell or you know , you're

31:44

not reacting this way or whatever. So it

31:46

becomes a great tool for somebody

31:48

who wants to get points across,

31:51

who wants their people to be able to practice something

31:53

or whatever. Um, and we've been

31:56

doing some things with another , uh,

31:58

core corporate training expert, a guru,

32:01

I guess you'd say with Lynn

32:03

Carn and creative spirits unleashed. How

32:05

did you meet Lynn and how did all that start?

32:09

Before I go there, I want

32:11

to stay in New York. Okay , sure.

32:13

And, and you know, I was talking

32:16

about how this is my journey and

32:19

I was talking about when I went to

32:21

the offices, how was having a hard time because

32:23

I felt that I needed to

32:26

not mess this up because

32:28

this is I , this

32:31

journey that I was on, you know, I'm

32:33

on that. I'm sharing with others. This is

32:35

my personal journey is not a job for me. Um,

32:39

but one of the things that happened in

32:42

this journey was

32:45

for a lack of better word, we finally

32:47

gave birth in

32:49

a sense to the work

32:52

and the way that that happened

32:55

because as this thing grew inside of

32:57

me, and the

32:59

words started forming and the picture

33:01

started forming and the work started happening.

33:04

And so therefore you had all of this visual

33:07

starting to happen verbal. Um,

33:11

and not only that, but my growth,

33:14

it finally got to the stage where I

33:16

realized that I needed to get it out. And

33:18

not just by working with people, but

33:21

get it down on tape. Visual tape.

33:24

Um, not just audio. I

33:27

never sort of funny how we came

33:29

across this guy from

33:31

Trinidad where I'm from or

33:33

should I say Trinidad Tobago. Um

33:36

, with James

33:38

O'Connor and with Juliana

33:40

[inaudible] . Um, we

33:43

created our little documentary

33:45

called the edge. Well,

33:48

again, with Julian's help , the

33:51

edge was now going

33:53

to be, the trailer was now going

33:55

to be shown at the Equis film festival.

33:57

Thank you very much. Lisa Doosan and

34:02

Diana Darosa . Um, so the

34:04

first year we went to

34:06

New York city to the Equus

34:08

film festival, it was pretty wild because

34:12

finally I felt that

34:15

I found a medium that could

34:17

start sharing

34:19

this message. So here

34:21

we are in New York city at the Equus film festival,

34:24

and I'm sitting down too in

34:26

one of the five or six cinemas

34:29

, um , that are showing all these

34:31

films from all over the world to

34:33

watch our trailer in New

34:36

York city. And I get into the cinema

34:38

and there are five people. All

34:41

of a sudden that conditioning done

34:43

to me , kicks in, which isn't beneficial

34:46

to my wellbeing. And

34:48

I start realizing or feeling

34:50

that I'm failing, that,

34:52

Hey , you're given this gift. You finally put

34:54

it down on film or starting to,

34:57

and there's nobody there to watch it. So

35:00

you feel this terrible

35:04

sense of failure. And

35:07

this is what's so cool about this

35:09

work. So

35:12

the pressure created by all of this starts

35:16

causing what I call , I

35:18

guess for lack of better with the muscle memory, your

35:20

conditioning to perceive that

35:22

you're feeling. And , um

35:25

, all

35:27

of a sudden because of the work, it kicks in and

35:29

stops you and you stopped recalibrating

35:33

and you said , okay, here's

35:37

person from this third

35:39

world country that came

35:41

up with this concept from nothing, put

35:44

it on film. He's

35:47

now in one of the greatest

35:49

cities in the world. How

35:52

can you possibly say that you are failing

35:55

when look what you have accomplished? So

35:59

in the past, none

36:02

of that would've happened. I would have

36:04

just seen myself as once again,

36:06

I'm no good. But

36:09

because of the power of the work, which

36:12

has altered

36:16

my muscle memory, my conditioning, my subconscious

36:19

that in the past would've pulled me

36:22

undo . Because to me, we have now been conditioned

36:24

to feel, and

36:27

it's not about the failure, but in feeling

36:29

we don't get these kicks,

36:33

one of them possibly even an endorphin kick.

36:36

Um , that lets your body know that you're okay . So

36:39

then we go out and buy something or

36:41

self-medicate or all

36:43

. So we can keep on

36:45

moving forward. Um,

36:49

in this case, this work helps

36:52

you to find a natural way of doing that

36:54

and not be dependent on things

36:57

that we produce, I. E taking

36:59

something that is less us and

37:01

using them to enrich themselves

37:04

and you fill in the blank. Um,

37:09

very quickly I started to realize

37:12

that's an old

37:14

story and

37:16

the reality is look what you have

37:18

accomplished. So

37:21

I just want to throw that story in since

37:23

we were in New York city. Well

37:26

and to continue that part of the story. I

37:28

mean since then, that was in 2015

37:32

in November of 2015. The funny

37:34

thing is, I mean when we started the

37:36

talk of the film

37:39

and then this Julianne really started

37:41

finally and I'm grateful

37:43

for being part of this journey.

37:46

Um, well we just decided that the job

37:48

at that, because if it wasn't for her, that

37:51

part of the journey wouldn't happen. So I'll shut up now

37:53

and she can see shit . But

37:55

it's important for that AC that because we build, you

37:58

won't say that and people need to know

38:00

that. If it wasn't for you, this

38:03

work wouldn't come to life. To the

38:05

public, to the extent that it is coming

38:07

to life, to the public. Oh , thank you . Because

38:09

trust me, I

38:12

for many reasons wouldn't

38:14

have the ability to do this. Um,

38:18

so go ahead. See what you want me to do. I

38:20

was just gonna say we, the way it all

38:22

started was kind of , um,

38:25

synchronicity, I think was the word we

38:27

were using at the time because one day

38:30

I was just thinking we gotta do something

38:32

to get the word out to people

38:34

who are outside of our little

38:36

circle of friends and local

38:38

Camden, South Carolina. What can we do? Let's

38:40

create a little video for our website.

38:43

And so at that time there

38:45

was something going around on Facebook

38:47

that was film footage

38:49

of George Bovell who was a famous

38:52

Trinny swimmer and very

38:55

well known and popular and all that. And he

38:57

had been doing some training

38:59

swimming out in the wilderness

39:01

, um, in Trinidad.

39:05

And they captured footage of

39:07

him saving a baby deer from

39:09

out from under a waterfall or something

39:11

to drowning. And he's coming up out of

39:13

the water and this , this beautiful visual

39:16

with the water droplets. And

39:18

I had never heard of 4k or any of

39:20

that at the time. And so I

39:22

just knew and you knew, well,

39:26

it's a type of filming, but I just

39:28

knew that that was the visual, that

39:30

was something that was very appealing

39:32

to watch and that we wanted something

39:35

of that quality, you

39:37

know, work. If we were going to do a video, let's do

39:39

it. Right. And so within

39:41

a day, I think you had contacted

39:43

the filmmaker, James O'Connor of

39:46

the artist story telling and had

39:48

this conversation with him on the phone. And

39:50

um, it just, we hit it off with James

39:52

and with Dylan canal , who was also

39:55

with him and, and Miranda,

39:57

his wife. And so it just became a really

39:59

great partnership in creating

40:01

this documentary. And I feel

40:03

that it really, you know, from us go into

40:05

Trinidad and then them

40:08

coming up here several times back and

40:10

forth, they were able to capture the

40:12

work and to talk to people who

40:14

had experienced it and they just

40:16

did a beautiful job. But even in those

40:18

early days, James said, you know, what do you want to do with this film?

40:21

And , um, I had heard of the

40:24

Equus film festival. I didn't know anything about it

40:26

in reality, but I just said we're

40:28

going to take it to the Equus film festival

40:30

in New York city. And so

40:32

when Lisa Dierssen was kind enough to accept

40:34

us, I mean, this was last minute , um,

40:37

the festival was in November and I think

40:40

we got her the film at the

40:42

end of October. And she just said, yeah, we'll show it.

40:44

You know, it's too late for it to be in the competition

40:47

part of it, but you send us the trailer will show

40:49

the trailer for you. And so that

40:52

was just the beginning of a fabulous

40:54

relationship with Lisa and the whole festival.

40:57

And, and since then, you know,

40:59

that first time we had five people in the theater

41:01

in New York. But since then, through

41:03

this festival, we've been able

41:05

to show the film and to promote your

41:07

work all over the world, literally.

41:10

And so it was just the beginning of something

41:12

that's been a wonderful relationship. So

41:15

from demonstrations at the LA equestrian

41:17

center and you know, back up in

41:19

headwaters where James lives now

41:21

and just all over the place has been.

41:23

It's been a great relationship. So

41:26

I did want to go back to

41:28

talking about Lynn carne and

41:31

the work that you're doing with her and

41:34

her people. Um, is

41:36

that something that you could

41:38

talk about for a minute?

41:40

Yeah. Cause you a

41:42

minute or two

41:45

or three. What would you

41:47

like to know about Lynn con ?

41:49

So she approached you

41:51

, um, through contacts

41:53

that we have in North Carolina and

41:56

she was interested in the work and she

41:58

came out with her daughter and

42:02

um, I, I got the impression

42:04

from conversations with her later that she

42:06

was sold on the work the first day, but

42:08

her daughter, not so much. I think it was pretty

42:10

emotional for her, but they

42:13

came around and um, had some

42:15

breakthroughs. So just

42:17

tell me a little bit about what happened with

42:19

all of that and what they're doing now.

42:24

Lyndon Carn , Lynn carne came with her daughter. So

42:27

it's sort of interesting when you have somebody come

42:29

and look at the work. Because you got to do two

42:31

things at one time besides everything else

42:35

you all on one hand, you, you

42:37

have to look at them as,

42:41

and I don't particularly care for

42:43

the word client and

42:46

I guess a word will come up at some point,

42:49

but you have to look at them from that perspective.

42:51

But also you

42:53

have to look at as somebody that you're going to

42:55

be working with. So you want them

42:57

to experience it on one hand

43:00

as through the eyes

43:02

of a client because of their client. But

43:04

you also, from a professional standpoint

43:07

how this is going to work for them. You

43:09

also have to translate it to that. So

43:12

it's a little bit of a juggling act when it comes

43:14

to doing that amongst other things.

43:17

And the actually

43:19

came twice. Um,

43:22

you know, one of the first things that I have them do is go put

43:24

a Holt on the horse. And

43:26

the thing about this work is not about getting the

43:28

picture done, but within getting the picture

43:31

done. The keyword there is in, in

43:34

doing the picture, we capture moments and

43:36

therefore within those moments, by

43:38

capturing them, we capture

43:40

the moment and then fall. They're able

43:43

to see what they're doing in that moment and

43:45

at that moment, because of the

43:48

terminologies that we use, tyrant or alpha

43:51

and tyrants simply means you're

43:54

overreacting. Underreacting you're

43:56

not doing what the picture calls for . So

44:00

anyway, Lynn comes out with a daughter and

44:03

we're going through this process and

44:06

she sees something in this and

44:09

my belief is what

44:11

she sees as this, she

44:15

does a really great job with

44:17

the people helping

44:21

to empower these people and

44:23

giving them these tools to

44:25

do their job more

44:27

efficiently, effective, et

44:30

cetera, et cetera, et. The

44:34

only problem is when it comes time to

44:36

putting these skills to work, the

44:39

pressure created. See , we

44:41

don't get, a lot of people don't see that concept.

44:44

They think that it's this person

44:46

when they did, here is a problem, but it's not this

44:48

person or that situation. But

44:50

the pressure created by, because

44:54

of that pressure, it's us reminding you of past

44:57

pressures and because

44:59

you aren't consciously aware about your mental tools,

45:01

for example, which is one of the three

45:03

pieces that are missing, you

45:06

are then not able to respond

45:09

to the pressure of that moment and

45:11

therefore you're conditioning your subconscious,

45:14

yo, whatever you want to call it, your muscle memory

45:16

takes over. And because of

45:18

the conditioning done to us very early in

45:20

our childhood, which has set us

45:23

up to fail, you

45:26

then can't put the tools that

45:28

we will given to help you succeed into

45:30

practice. Because a

45:32

mechanism that allows that to happen

45:36

has been, what's

45:38

the big word, not

45:41

altered but compromised

45:45

because of our early conditioning.

45:49

And until you recalibrate

45:51

that and

45:54

balance that alteration out

45:57

to where the natural setting

46:01

which was provided

46:03

for you by nature,

46:07

that man domestication

46:10

has altered until we recalibrate,

46:12

that you're not going to

46:14

reach the full potential of

46:17

who you are meant to be far

46:19

less to , uh , the ability to

46:22

accomplish what it is you are trying to accomplish

46:25

at that particular moment. Because

46:28

you are not in that moment.

46:31

Even though physically you are in that moment,

46:33

you are actually emotionally

46:37

in the past because

46:39

of the pressure of that moment which

46:41

you don't really realize. So

46:44

with that said, I

46:47

believe that that's

46:49

what Lynn encountered

46:53

but that's also what the daughter encountered,

46:57

which possibly caused the daughter to

47:01

move away from this. But

47:04

I feel that now she has

47:06

more embraced at the, not all

47:09

those , she has not returned yet but

47:12

that's a whole different story. So

47:14

because of this encounter

47:18

that they both had, Lynn

47:21

has now not only come back personally

47:25

to do the work, which

47:27

is as far as I'm concerned,

47:30

that says a lot about the human being

47:33

or this particular individual, but

47:35

she's bought a number of her plants who

47:40

have a number of people working under

47:42

them to come encounter

47:45

to encounter this work. That's

47:48

kind of where we are right now in the journey

47:50

with Lynn , which has now

47:52

allowed Lynn the ability to

47:55

what this work does, which is take one

47:58

to a whole new level.

48:04

[inaudible]

48:05

You are listening to Whinny Tales. We

48:08

thank you for your support. Julian

48:16

is messing on a computer. I don't know

48:18

what that noise was, but

48:21

um, I don't if that's like a hint, but

48:25

share this experience real

48:27

life by sharing

48:29

this work with people that have horses,

48:32

you know, give riding lessons, et cetera, et cetera,

48:35

to where you create the

48:37

satellite farms that people

48:39

have studied the work, train

48:42

the trainer, and therefore now

48:44

people can go to these different places

48:47

and experience this work. And

48:49

one of the locations that

48:52

I feel is a great

48:54

location because of

48:58

how it's viewed by the rest of

49:00

the world. Funny enough

49:02

is The Bahamas. And

49:04

I feel that now is a great time to do it

49:06

because of what's happening. And

49:09

one of the great reasons is if

49:11

we keep doing what we're doing with

49:15

the global warming, et cetera, et cetera, The

49:18

Bahamas is one going to be one of the first landmasses

49:22

that are going to be engulfed by the water. So

49:27

instead of working on changing

49:32

what's happening to the environment, we first have to

49:34

change ourselves. And here's a great

49:36

location to do that because in coming to

49:38

do this work, not

49:40

only do you encounter

49:42

the work, but then you go out

49:44

into the nature of The Bahamas and

49:47

put it into practice. Um,

49:50

so you're totally submerged

49:52

into that nature, into nature and

49:54

therefore, which is why

49:56

we call it natural human ship. And

49:59

through, by submerging yourself into

50:02

that nature, you become more

50:04

humane and really get a good

50:06

plug in . And so when you

50:08

go off to wherever it is in the world you

50:10

live, you then start

50:13

building upon that. It's going to have

50:15

like, like I said, exploring

50:18

and, and mining this and

50:21

what I'm doing is processing it, but

50:24

there are gonna be people who are gonna be

50:27

even better at processing this

50:30

to explain it to people even better than I could,

50:33

which is fantastic, you know?

50:37

Um, because the bottom line is this,

50:40

the winner of all of this

50:44

is not me, but

50:46

what I first set out to do, which

50:49

was to help the horse survive in the where we've created.

50:52

Because this could

50:55

not help a human

50:58

to the extent that you can get the help

51:01

if you do not involve the horse,

51:04

not any other animal but

51:07

the horse for numerous

51:09

reasons. And in

51:11

so doing by doing this

51:13

virtual reality, it all will come back

51:15

to the horse and people

51:17

are going to realize that horses are actually

51:19

more important now for human wellness

51:22

if not survival for

51:24

only three reasons.

51:29

And I think we'll

51:31

leave with that question for today

51:34

because that's a whole nother episode

51:37

waiting to happen. So Bruce,

51:39

thank you so much for talking this

51:41

morning. I think it's been very

51:43

special to have be

51:46

surrounded by nature as we have

51:48

this first episode of the podcast. So

51:50

before

51:51

I go, I started off with sharing

51:54

the porch with you and

51:57

it's going to be cool that we're starting this podcast,

52:00

that the first one is here on this porch. So

52:03

right now what's happening as the sun comes

52:05

up and we are facing East and

52:08

we are looking at are the screen porch. Um,

52:12

the chickens are all mingling

52:14

around as I'm sure you heard through it. But

52:18

then down in the hollow where the horses

52:20

are, I could now start seeing the horses

52:22

coming down and grazing

52:24

as they're coming down. So it's kind of cool to see

52:26

the light hitting them. And I could

52:28

see Winston on one side, a Marley

52:32

on our little rescue horse Mack , and

52:34

they're all sort of making their way down as a

52:36

breeze so it can approve

52:39

to feel the cool air. I look

52:41

at my thermometer and it

52:44

says that is about

52:46

65 70 degrees,

52:48

which is fantastic because

52:51

it's the beginning of fall and

52:55

it's just a really nice day

52:57

. Um, so

53:00

thank you very much , uh , Julianne for

53:03

putting this together, allowing me the opportunity

53:05

to share my journey

53:07

with horses and

53:10

thank you for sharing your all's always

53:12

so willing to do that. So special.

53:15

So here's the saying for the day from

53:17

squeaky wagon steam, wicked

53:21

chickens laid devil eggs.

53:26

I think we'll close with that. Thanks

53:28

Bruce. Thanks him .

53:38

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53:40

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53:42

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