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now. Holiday. What

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the hell was that? I mean, the the official

1:01

was standing in the Vegas way. Holiday,

1:04

there was already tons controversy surrounding

1:06

this

1:07

event. Controversy.

1:08

Well, controversy. Kim,

1:10

I'm sorry,

1:11

mister official. Come on. You've called that right

1:13

down the middle.

1:13

Absolutely. Just like when the Lakers played

1:15

the Kings, everything was on the and up

1:17

right in the middle.

1:18

Yeah. It's exactly like Oh, there's shit. There's no

1:20

way. You're The

1:24

clip you just heard was from Tim Donahue's

1:26

official major league wrestling

1:28

debut. Donna,

1:31

he has kept busy and so of week.

1:34

We're back with new episodes and a new

1:36

voice. But before we dive in,

1:38

it's been a minute. So let's start off with a quick

1:40

refresher. The

1:44

scandal peaked during the two thousand

1:46

and six two thousand and seven NBA

1:48

season, but Donahue started betting on

1:51

his own games in two thousand and three.

1:53

I'd love the gamble. Now eventually just spilled

1:55

over to, you know, the NBA. Donna

1:58

He contents that the NBA assigned

2:00

veteran referees to important

2:03

play off in finals games with the expectation

2:05

that the veteran referee would help propel

2:08

the more marketable team to

2:10

victory The NBA had a

2:12

major influence in what they wanted the

2:14

referees to call on a given night. The

2:16

NBA's response to the scandal was

2:19

master by former commissioner

2:21

David Stern. Sterns suffered a

2:23

brain hemorrhage. On December twelfth twenty

2:25

nineteen, and passed away a few

2:28

weeks later. Hours

2:30

after Stern's initial brain hemorrhage, I

2:32

sat down with retired FBI agent, Phil

2:34

Scala, for our most important interview

2:37

to date. We believe that what

2:39

he said was the truth about the NBA.

2:41

Yeah. But, you know, you

2:43

know what you're and up against them. Donahue

2:45

says that he never fixed games.

2:48

But in season one, his best friend,

2:50

Tommy Martino, revealed that Donahue

2:52

was making incorrect calls to

2:54

influence the outcome of games.

2:57

It's under the wish of a story telling

2:59

world. That we had. It was

3:01

our guy who's on.

3:05

Season one of whistleblower started by

3:07

asking a fundamental basketball question.

3:09

How much influence does a referee

3:12

have on a game? And

3:14

ended with a bigger question. How

3:17

deep does the fix go? I'm

3:22

your host, Tim Livingston. Welcome

3:25

back to whistleblower. This is the

3:27

first of two bonus episodes featuring

3:29

the one voice you haven't heard, but need

3:31

to hear. The third member

3:33

of the trio that masterminded, the

3:35

biggest known game fixing scandal in

3:37

sports history. The gambler,

3:40

the sheep. Jimmy,

3:43

Bahbah batista.

3:58

I already knew my mind. This is not

4:01

to generate better and couldn't fucking

4:03

win. The only games he could win

4:05

was the games that he had to whistle in his mouth,

4:07

and that was the games that he was officiating. But

4:10

it was pretty damn good, no better

4:12

on the face of the earth than I ever

4:13

seen. When

4:15

we started producing whistleblower, I called

4:17

Jimmy Batista and asked him for an interview.

4:20

He told me in no uncertain terms

4:23

to fuck off. Now,

4:26

Batista and I have built up little report and

4:29

we're talking on the phone multiple times a

4:31

week. I have

4:33

Batista's permission to record

4:35

each call, but every time he starts

4:37

talking about something

4:38

interesting, this happens.

4:40

Hold on. You can't take this what I'm saying because this

4:42

is to get me in trouble. Stop that. You can never

4:44

lose that because he's on your own. Yeah. Stop

4:46

that.

4:48

Reported conversations historically

4:51

have not gone well for Jimmy. Wiretaps

4:54

helped land them in prison Half of his

4:56

network turned into government informants.

4:59

Batista likes to talk, but he's been

5:02

burned too many times. I'm trying

5:04

to be patient, but it's been few weeks,

5:06

and Jimmy's refusing to go on the record

5:08

with what I need.

5:10

Then 1 morning, I found

5:12

subject he was willing to talk about.

5:15

I went betting on Scott Bossier's games. He

5:17

went one in six. He stopped and

5:20

listened to me. Never orchestrated a deal

5:22

with Scott. I never met him personally.

5:24

But through Tommy, through Timmy, Kimmy

5:26

could control the valves, even with mine was.

5:29

He's new to the tempo of the game. My guy said,

5:31

I've been working with, like, what the fuck's going

5:33

on? We went from fucking clear

5:35

pecking to like we

5:37

were, like, being greedy and trying to get more gains.

5:39

They figured we had another NBA referee working

5:41

with us. If

5:47

you don't recall Scott Foster from

5:49

season one, he is a current

5:51

NBA referee who started

5:53

in the NBA the same year as Tim

5:55

Donahy, nineteen ninety four.

5:57

Foster and Donahy talked

5:59

on the phone a lot during the scandal.

6:02

One hundred and thirty four times over

6:04

five and a half months. There

6:06

has been a lot of speculation about

6:09

the nature of Foster and Donahue's relationship

6:11

which is why this revelation from Batista

6:14

peaks my interest. One

6:17

in six, seven, foster

6:19

games, According to Tommy,

6:22

it was two. Here's what

6:24

Tommy said in season

6:25

one. So

6:28

I have Timmy as forty and five. It

6:30

was actually forty and seven, but two

6:32

of the games that we lost were foresters

6:34

that Timmy was giving us to throw

6:36

off Vegas, you know? Two games

6:38

wasn't enough. Seven

6:41

and two are very different

6:44

numbers. Plus, I never really

6:46

focused on the words throw

6:48

off

6:48

Vegas. So I called

6:50

Tommy to clarify.

6:52

Okay. So there were seven Foster

6:54

Gates.

6:55

I believe there was five. That's that's

6:57

why I keep there was five poster games.

7:00

Let me

7:01

say five, but you say five, seven.

7:03

Yep. You can count on me.

7:06

As being correct. I

7:08

love you talking, but you said I

7:09

just listened to the episode again. You said there was

7:11

two. There was only two foster names.

7:16

Oh, I there was five where

7:19

I really catch it.

7:23

I've decided after Donna, he asked me

7:25

to say there were two? No.

7:27

It was there was five.

7:31

Tommy clarified that he got mixed up.

7:33

And Donahue was actually forty and two

7:36

and that Foster's five losses put

7:38

them at forty and seven.

7:40

He maintains that there were five Foster names

7:43

and that they were all losers.

7:46

I believe Tommy here and think he made

7:48

an honest mistake. And if you're doing the math

7:50

at home, that means that Tim Donahy

7:52

according to his best friend and partner, was

7:55

actually forty in two that season,

7:57

which would mean that ninety five percent

8:00

of Tim Donahue referee games or

8:03

winners against the spread. I'm

8:06

trying to wrap my head around all of

8:08

this. When Tommy gives me some additional

8:10

context.

8:11

Yeah. Where were they all lost? All

8:14

lost. Did they lose badly?

8:16

Spreads and stuff? Did they weren't

8:19

did they weren't close? Do you know what I mean,

8:21

Tim? In my

8:22

eyes. Okay. Nothing

8:24

to do with it. You

8:27

think he had nothing to

8:27

do with it because all of his games were losers.

8:30

Yeah. And Dominic, he kept trying to give me

8:33

foster games, but and I would give him the back

8:35

of you. Like, I don't want name was Floshky.

8:40

Donahue contends that his relationship

8:42

with Scott Foster was completely

8:44

innocuous. That the phone calls

8:46

to Scott were part of his routine,

8:49

that they were just two friends who really

8:51

like to talk with each other. I

8:54

didn't talk with Batista in season 1, so

8:56

this is new, but Batista is

8:58

telling me that he was actively betting

9:01

on Foster's games. That Donahue

9:03

provided picks on seven foster

9:05

games in total and that those games

9:08

went one in six against the spread. The

9:12

big thing I'm learning is that Foster Games

9:14

were a regular part of the Trio's

9:16

gambling equation. They

9:18

bet on his games often Batista

9:22

also added this.

9:24

The fact that he fucking is still in the NBA,

9:26

that's another evidence of the cover up

9:29

of the NBA

9:30

because they had his phone records. We

9:32

had his fucking phone records, but

9:35

that's

9:35

the key Tim did tell you that Scott

9:38

Foster was part of it.

9:40

Oh, yes. He did. He did. If

9:42

you take his two thousand and six, two than seven

9:44

season. You have his fucking phone records, and

9:46

you see that he called every game that

9:48

he worked. It will match with the schedule

9:51

prior to the game and after the game. And a

9:53

few times during halftime. Tim

9:57

Donahue has been open about the

9:59

fact that Foster was a part of his scheme.

10:02

The question is and always has been,

10:05

did Scott Foster know that he

10:07

was a part of his best friend's master

10:09

plan? Did Foster have any idea

10:12

that Donna He was betting on his games?

10:15

Did Foster do anything on the

10:17

court to aid those bets?

10:19

The best person to answer

10:21

questions about Scott Foster's relationship

10:23

with Donna He is, of course,

10:26

Scott Foster. So I reached

10:28

out to the NBA and I asked them

10:30

to connect me with Scott.

10:34

The league who didn't respond to any of

10:36

my inquiries before the release of whistleblower

10:38

season one wrote me back that

10:41

day and informed me that Foster

10:43

had, quote, respectfully declined

10:45

to participate. The email continued,

10:48

quote, the situation with mister Donahy

10:50

concluded over a decade ago. Scott

10:53

had to deal with a lot of unfair treatment at

10:55

that time, parenthesis, and

10:57

since. And it's not something

10:59

he chooses to revisit. Like

11:01

all of us, he has moved

11:04

forward. It

11:07

seems like the NBA's PR strategy with

11:09

the release of these bonus episodes and

11:11

Netflix's untold episode on Donna

11:13

He will be this happened a long time

11:15

ago. We're not going to revisit the

11:18

past. But when it comes to Scott

11:20

Foster, the past is still

11:22

the present. How are

11:24

basketball fans supposed to move forward

11:26

when so many questions still surround

11:29

Boston? But

11:31

TSYS and Tommy aren't sure about the number of

11:33

games, but they're sure that Foster's games

11:35

were all or almost all losers.

11:38

And that Donna, he provided Foster's games

11:40

to Batista to, quote, throw

11:43

off Vegas. What

11:46

does throw off Vegas mean?

11:48

Well, Donna Hee and Martino began

11:50

to notice around January that the betting

11:53

lines on Donna Hee's games were

11:55

fluctuating wildly. We

11:57

touched on this in season one, but

11:59

odds makers are pretty damn good at their

12:01

jobs. When they put a bedding line

12:03

out, even if sophisticated professional

12:06

betters, the 1 moving big money,

12:09

bet one side the line aggressively the

12:11

line usually only moves by a point or

12:14

two. Because Batista

12:16

and his crew were putting so much

12:18

money on Donahue's games. Millions

12:21

upon millions of dollars per game.

12:23

The betting lines on Donahue's games would

12:26

often move by four points, five

12:28

points, six points, sometimes

12:31

more. Afraid

12:34

that the NBA or betting regulators

12:37

might see that line movement and start

12:39

asking questions, Donna, he wanted

12:41

Batista to put millions on losers

12:43

games and create chaos in the market.

12:47

Donahue wanted to give regulators the league

12:49

or anyone paying attention, something

12:51

else to look at. He wanted

12:54

to distract them, he wanted to throw

12:56

them off his scent. One

12:59

thing I'm sure of is that with Batista

13:01

starting open up, it's time

13:03

to go

13:04

back. Back to the slice

13:06

of southeastern Pennsylvania that

13:08

is responsible for this whole mess

13:14

We'll get all the necessary audio

13:17

when I'm in Delco. Okay.

13:20

Alright. Good deal.

13:27

And just like that, I'm back,

13:30

Delaware County. Delco,

13:32

the true hero of this story.

13:36

I can't go left here, Tim. I'm just back.

13:41

After not talking for a number of years,

13:44

Tommy and Batista have recently reconnected

13:46

and become friendly

13:47

again. We all agreed to meet outside

13:50

Tommy Sala.

13:53

I thought they're gonna shut down the street, so I didn't

13:55

want to.

13:58

I don't want my Don't fucking close it down.

14:01

We're doing lunch at Anthony's, formerly

14:04

lamb tavern. Batista speaks

14:06

lovingly and longing about the good

14:08

all days of lamb tower. He

14:12

and the animals, the group of Delco gamblers

14:15

that Patisa belonged to. Where he earned

14:17

his nickname sheep. Game

14:19

planed their schemes here. They watched their

14:21

biggest bets win and

14:22

lose, inside not the tavern's walls.

14:26

This restaurant holds a special place in Batista's

14:28

heart. He's

14:29

telling us all about it when Tommy gets

14:31

to call me.

14:33

That's fine. don't you?

14:35

Where? Call me answering line.

14:37

No, please. On the card. You know what? We're

14:39

not gonna talk. Everyone's gotta be sitting

14:42

Go Tom, please. Tom's

14:44

doing for me. Too much pressure. Too much pressure. It's

14:46

not pressure. Jim, I don't have to have been

14:48

injured. It's worth the goal note a fucking one yard

14:50

line. Enter the fucking phone. Come on, Tommy.

14:53

That's who he is. If

14:55

somebody's listened to whistleblower, the

14:57

first question they usually ask me is,

15:00

when was the last time you spoke with Tim Donni?

15:03

And the truth is, I haven't spoken

15:05

to Donni since we released episode

15:07

two of whistleblower. He

15:10

thought we'd vilified him. I

15:12

disagree.

15:13

It is what it

15:14

is. I give you

15:16

that context because Donahue and Martino

15:18

are still close, still best friends,

15:21

which makes this phone call incredibly awkward

15:23

for Tommy. When Donnie, he hears

15:25

this and pictures me Batista,

15:28

who he's also not very fond of, and

15:30

Tommy riding around Delco together

15:33

he's not gonna be happy. And Tommy,

15:35

who's only here because I love hanging

15:37

out with Tommy, will be as always

15:41

stuck in the middle. Hambly? Yeah.

15:44

Taking about taking about years.

15:48

We walk into Anthony's. And Jimmy reaches

15:51

across the bar to shake hands with the bartender,

15:53

a

15:53

buddy, since the lamb Tavern days.

15:55

Oh, thank you. Thank you, Srini. You are welcome.

15:58

We sit down. I pull out their quarter

16:00

in a few minutes into our conversation. I

16:03

just want to say one thing. Is that the one? Turn

16:05

it off. I

16:09

don't know why thought it would be easier recording

16:11

with Batista in person. We're at the

16:13

table for ten minutes before he asked me

16:15

to turn off the recorder, and Batista was

16:18

quiet during that time as everyone else

16:20

talked. In those ten minutes,

16:22

I washed his eyes dark around the room,

16:25

on the lookout. This is how

16:27

his brain is trained to work. Were there

16:29

any feds around Philly mob guys, friends

16:31

of his ex wife, wasn't going to

16:33

talk until he was fully aware of his

16:35

surroundings. I turned

16:37

the recorder off and Batista

16:39

relaxed. He spent the rest

16:41

of the meal telling stories about his

16:43

days in the underground sports betting world.

16:46

Curacao, Vegas, Macau, win

16:48

million, lose a million, snort a line,

16:50

do it again. Great stories.

16:54

All of them unrecorded. We

16:57

made plans to reconnect for dinner after

16:59

Anthony's, and I called Tommy on the way

17:01

back to the Airbnb. Tommy,

17:04

Yes,

17:05

Kim.

17:05

So first meeting with Jimmy Batista was

17:08

in trouble.

17:09

Yeah. He doesn't have much

17:11

trust in people, Kim. What's

17:14

the best way to change

17:16

his trust? I mean, I I only have a short period

17:19

of time with his truck.

17:20

There's no there's no way. It's

17:23

not gonna happen. Nothing

17:26

recorded

17:27

and pessimism from an optimist.

17:30

Great. Was the place you wanna meet up for

17:32

dinner night? Was called the Hidal Way? The

17:34

Hidal Way. So which is a Hidal Way at seven

17:37

PM, and you and you and the

17:38

Pizza? Perfect. Can't

17:41

wait. The hideaway is

17:43

aptly named. Why

17:44

do you think something's going on? It's a sports bar

17:46

tucked inside a quiet residential neighborhood

17:48

in Wilmington, Delaware. Tommy

17:51

could not have chosen a better spot. The

17:53

highway is a ten out of ten on the Delco

17:55

scale, Only

17:56

locals. Come

17:57

here all the time.

17:58

His name was 1 you guys were here. Sorry. How are

18:00

you? How are you?

18:01

How is it? We sit down at a table outside.

18:04

Jimmy orders onion rings, Tommy, a

18:06

bottle of per

18:07

second. One

18:07

earrings. Yeah. Oh, forget the much else. Anewings.

18:09

Yeah. Another one. Sure thing.

18:12

Wait. Wait. Pour yourself a glass. We

18:19

talked for an hour about a lot of things. The

18:22

Sixers Bautista's sobriety has

18:24

been clean for over a decade. Then

18:26

we started talking about the two thousand six,

18:29

two thousand seven NBA season. Much

18:32

to my surprise, Batista didn't

18:34

ask to turn their quarter off. When you look back

18:36

at that now fifteen years later, how's the wake you feel?

18:43

Bakechoice. I made

18:45

good living just doing what I was doing.

18:48

Just book it in bed and moving money.

18:51

And I just you know,

18:54

it was just a bad decision. I looked

18:56

back because the people that got involved.

18:59

But he used to points across the table at Tommy.

19:03

That got hurt from me. Yeah. Through

19:05

his family, him, kids.

19:09

Kids, my kids. My

19:14

parents If

19:18

they were in the game and try to make money off it,

19:20

you knew what you're doing it. That's a

19:22

risk you were taking, and everybody

19:24

wanted to make money. I didn't need

19:26

to get into bed with Timmy. Here,

19:29

I'm working with the best handicappers in the world.

19:31

I got the china men. I got the Greek.

19:33

I got the computer. I got the Kurdish brothers.

19:36

I can make a million a year like not that just moving

19:38

money. I never graduated college. I quit college.

19:40

was a waiter. I was a bartender, I was

19:42

a bus boy, and now I'm singing all of a sudden,

19:44

I'm making fucking I can make fifty grand a fucking

19:47

week. Are you kidding? Moving money?

19:49

Like

19:49

nothing. I didn't

19:51

eat Timmy. And I guess How are we

19:53

doing out here?

19:54

We're doing great.

19:55

I've got some dessert. Nice.

19:57

Oh, I'm stuck. That's so

19:58

full. ate a burger and on your wings.

20:01

The waitress leaves to get the check, and

20:03

I catch Batista dabbing his eye with his napkin.

20:11

On my way back to Airbnb, I

20:13

called Tommy. Hey,

20:15

Tommy.

20:16

What's up, Ken? I've never got a little emotional

20:18

there. Were you seeing him

20:20

cry when talking about the scandal

20:23

before?

20:24

No. It's been

20:26

hard for everybody. And I know, like,

20:29

we rebelled it from it. Some

20:32

of us not as good

20:35

as

20:35

others. And I had

20:37

to look away because I get your stuff too.

20:40

When it comes to trust, you think

20:42

after the deal we had

20:44

tonight and after the date we had today,

20:47

as he trusted me enough to sit

20:50

down and open up about something he's

20:52

tossed about regarding the

20:53

scandal? That's the thing.

20:55

Like, I don't know what he's holding

20:57

back. Okay. I saw him use the keys for

20:59

tomorrow again in Anthony's. I'll

21:02

let you know how it goes, but I'm

21:04

hoping that we can get a little story tomorrow.

21:06

I'll catch up later. Beautiful.

21:11

Ten years ago, I gained Tim Donahue's

21:13

trust,

21:15

And he took me down a rabbit hole that

21:17

culminated in the creation of this podcast.

21:20

And now, I'm hoping I've reached

21:22

that point with Jimmy Batista. Because

21:25

Batista, prior to Donahue,

21:28

spent three decades in the sports betting

21:30

world, And often, when he tells

21:32

me to turn off the recorder, he's

21:34

telling me things like this.

21:36

I I would say that throughout the over the

21:38

past thirty years, there's been rogue

21:40

officials between NBA,

21:43

collegiate, twenty five to

21:46

thirty people. Twenty

21:48

five to thirty referees. Yes.

21:50

I've messed around.

21:56

Butte's to clarify that those twenty

21:58

five to thirty referees included

22:01

all major sports, not just basketball,

22:04

But twenty five to thirty referees across

22:06

pro and college, basketball, baseball,

22:09

and football is a lot

22:11

of referees. Who

22:14

are they? What does Batista mean

22:16

when he says, messed around how

22:18

many games were compromised? When

22:21

it comes to Donahy, the most important

22:23

thing that Patricia can help me unravel

22:26

is the Scott Foster of it all

22:28

because I've been trying to fully understand the

22:31

relationship

22:32

between Donna He and Foster for

22:34

over a decade.

22:35

And I don't think I've ever gotten the full story.

22:39

Because fifteen years ago, David

22:42

Stern, the ultimate p r

22:44

magician, delivered a pitch

22:46

perfect brilliant press

22:48

conference after news of the scandal

22:50

broke. It was there that Stern

22:52

branded Tim Donahy a rogue

22:55

criminal because we

22:57

think we have here a

22:59

rogue isolated criminal.

23:03

Less sophisticated commissioners, the

23:05

bud sealings of the world, would have

23:07

likely collapsed under that kind of

23:09

pressure. Stern

23:12

didn't. He rose the

23:14

challenge. He saved the league.

23:18

But it's been fifteen years. The

23:20

NBA's PR strategy cannot be,

23:23

this was a long time ago, everything

23:25

has changed and refused to

23:27

let Scott foster talk. The

23:32

next day I met Batista again at Anthony's.

23:35

No recorder, just two guys,

23:37

a French onion soup, and a caesar

23:39

salad. At the end of the meal,

23:42

I asked Batista if we could talk that night

23:44

about Foster. He said yes.

23:48

In that evening, Batista and Tommy

23:50

came to my Airbnb. I'm just

23:52

gonna treat this like regular inner review.

23:55

Okay. Then we'll we'll just slowly get into it.

23:57

But Jimmy, start if

23:59

you would by just saying your name

24:01

and giving us quick background on

24:04

who you are. After

24:06

years of trying, I'd finally

24:09

hurted the sheep. He

24:11

was in a chair sitting across

24:13

from me ready to

24:15

talk. Okay.

24:20

I gotta get in a rhythm. I just, you know

24:24

My name is Jim Batista, My alley

24:26

is is a baba. Do me

24:28

the sheep. I'll have a horacio,

24:32

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