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go back to Pedro's report. And the section

1:01

of that report aims to debunk an article

1:03

from July four eighteen 2 thousand eight that

1:05

called into question your relationship

1:08

with your friend and fellow referee Scott

1:10

Foster. Are you familiar with that section?

1:12

Not really. No. Go ahead and In

1:14

that section of the Federer's report, it

1:16

traces a series of phone calls that you made

1:18

with Scott Foster.

1:20

Foster said most of these calls were to kill old

1:22

time. Is that accurate? It is.

1:24

I mean, it was a situation where, you know,

1:27

when you're in a hotel room and you have

1:29

nothing to do, your board We'd call

1:31

each other a couple times a day. And

1:33

when we're sitting around, we'd call each other just

1:35

to see what was going

1:36

on. So Scott, for the games that

1:38

he was rough. Were you asking specific questions

1:40

about the games. Did he have any biases

1:42

towards players that you were trying to

1:44

extract during those conversations and understand

1:46

to them?

1:47

No. There were times when we would talk about

1:49

different situations with different players. And if

1:51

I felt that it was gonna affect the

1:53

game that night in some way, I would

1:55

tell, you know, Tommy or Jack about

1:57

the games.

2:03

Different situations with

2:06

different players. That clip

2:08

is from episode four of whistleblower.

2:12

I like countless other basketball fans

2:14

have longed to understand the

2:16

relationship between Tim Donahue

2:19

and Scott Foster. I

2:21

have my suspicions, but there's never been

2:24

a smoking gun. Nothing that

2:26

proves conclusively the

2:28

officer was or wasn't involved.

2:33

Welcome back to our second bonus episode.

2:35

Rrought to you by underdog Fantasy. I'm

2:37

your host. Tim Livingston. This

2:41

is whistleblower. What

2:58

the fuck you doing like that, you know, learn?

3:00

So No. So I got a quick question

3:02

for Tommy. Did Donahy become

3:05

aware that too much money

3:07

was moving in these games. Did Jimmy,

3:09

did you ever alert Tim? Because what

3:12

this goes back to Scott Foster,

3:13

right, where He was trying to throw off Vegas

3:15

with Scott's games?

3:16

Yeah. He didn't know. He

3:18

was winning this high seventies. Right. Seventy

3:20

seven point seven, which is pretty fucking damn

3:22

good. For

3:22

you to your question. Sorry. But that

3:24

includes Foster's games, the Seventies

3:26

Seventies Seven. Right? Yes.

3:32

I'm sitting across from Batista and Tommy

3:35

at our Airbnb dining room table.

3:37

It's taken me almost a decade to

3:40

get Batista And while he doesn't

3:42

trust me enough to tell me everything

3:44

he is now willing to openly

3:46

discuss the relationship between

3:48

referees, Tim Donahy, and

3:50

Scott Foster. Before

3:53

we get into our conversation, let's

3:55

revisit what we know about the

3:57

Donahue Foster relationship. First,

4:03

the phone calls. Donahue

4:05

and Foster exchange one hundred

4:08

and thirty four phone calls over a

4:10

five and a half month span at the

4:12

height of the scheme. A

4:14

vast majority of the calls came

4:16

in the hours before or after games,

4:19

the Donahue or Foster referee.

4:23

Second, in the countless interviews

4:26

that he's done over the years, Donnie

4:28

has repeatedly told the story that

4:30

he used quote, inside information

4:32

to make winning picks on NBA

4:35

games. Donna, he's

4:37

inside information was really just

4:39

his understanding of referee bias.

4:42

He knew on a

4:42

referee, disliked a certain player,

4:45

coach, or owner, and would use that information

4:48

when betting on games that were not

4:50

his

4:50

own. When

4:52

it came to Foster, Donna, he claims

4:54

that he would've less, quote, different

4:57

situations with different players

4:59

and would bet on the games with Tommy or

5:01

Jack after gleaning in information

5:04

from Foster. If

5:06

you don't recall from season one, Delco

5:08

Insurance Salesman, Jack Concannon

5:11

was another one of Donahue's bedding partners.

5:16

Lastly, Donahue was giving Batista

5:19

Fosters games to quote, throw

5:22

off Vegas. He

5:24

wanted Foster's games to create

5:26

wild mind movement Fosterville's

5:28

games for Donahue were meant

5:31

to throw the NBA and regulators off

5:34

of his scent.

5:40

He knew that it would it would

5:42

recheck. Eventually, million.

5:44

But at that time, he didn't know

5:47

because he intentionally told me,

5:49

I'm giving bad man. Scott

5:52

Foster's schemes, because

5:54

I want forces kings to move like

5:56

Mayanor. So when they get on the list

5:59

to see all the games that moved, it's

6:01

not just done a geys It's done the east

6:03

and foresters. And

6:06

that's when I went to you and answered

6:08

you lost five a Forster's

6:10

games. I and he actually has got another Forster

6:12

game. He 2 keeps having this Forster

6:14

game. And now

6:17

the people on working way to fucking Date

6:19

of one. They were made. They're furious. Now

6:21

they're fucking mad because and

6:23

then we're watching we're watching a game that Scott's

6:25

calling it. And

6:28

And so, Scott, okay. Here's now

6:31

that we're taping, we've we

6:33

discussed this yesterday at

6:34

lunch. Right? Foster went one and six.

6:36

Foster's games that doubles game as Corona

6:38

six. Listen, I looked at the game. I watched

6:41

every game. You know, you watch all the Foster

6:43

games. I watch every game that we bet. I had to

6:45

because I want to I was more concerned about the

6:47

calls that Timmy made some calls that

6:49

were just unbelievable.

6:52

I'm trying to get Batista to ask himself

6:54

when looking back, would it make sense

6:56

if Foster was refing against the

6:59

pick that Donna he gave him?

7:01

Remember what Tommy said in the first bonus

7:03

episode when I asked him about the results

7:05

of Foster's games.

7:06

Remember they all lost? Fall

7:09

off. Did they lose badly? Spreads

7:11

and stuff? Yeah. They weren't yeah.

7:14

They weren't close. Do you know what that means then?

7:16

In my eyes.

7:18

Okay. Nothing to do with it. The

7:21

games weren't close. These

7:24

weren't games were a four point favorite, only

7:26

one by three. When Donahue

7:28

placed a bet with other partners,

7:31

IE, Jack and Cannon, he

7:33

was just like any other better. If

7:35

he won, he won, If you lost,

7:38

you lost. But you

7:40

might remember that that wasn't the case

7:42

with Batista. What

7:46

made the Batista deal unique is

7:48

that Batista allowed Donahy to bet

7:50

risk free. With Batista,

7:53

Donahue didn't have to pay a dime if

7:56

his pick turned out to be a loser. Because

7:58

of this arrangement, I've wondered if

8:00

there could have been intention nality from

8:03

Donahue and giving Batista the

8:05

losing side of Foster's games. He

8:07

could accomplish his goal of throwing off Vegas

8:10

and then give the winning side of Foster's games

8:13

to Jack and Cannon and his other betting

8:15

partners to still make money off

8:17

of those games. But

8:19

Batista told me in separate phone call

8:21

that he was in close touch with Concannon's

8:23

bookie during this

8:24

time. Pete RHINO Ricieri.

8:28

And

8:28

that RHINO said that Concannon and

8:30

Donahue were betting the wrong side

8:32

of Foster's games with him

8:34

as well. He

8:39

couldn't do it anywhere close to Timmy was.

8:41

So he couldn't do it. Right? So But

8:43

the Kohl's, he was I thought if he's

8:45

if he's losing, was he making

8:47

calls that favored the other team. Do you remember

8:49

that? Did you have a gut

8:50

feeling? Did I repay Godfoster? No.

8:53

Do I think that Timmy made it deal

8:55

with him. And if he wants to go up front with

8:57

it now that he was, you know, just going

8:59

to throw out no fucking way because it was

9:01

too much of a greedy fuck. If he wasn't

9:03

a greedy fuck, then I would say yes.

9:06

But he was a greedy fuck. It was all that money.

9:08

So if he threw away you

9:10

know, close to thirty thousand on getting

9:13

paid down. No fucking way in the world.

9:15

He did he was though because he's always concerned about

9:17

making more money. It was time it was

9:19

only too many concerns about making

9:20

money. So there's no fucking so he's throwing away

9:22

thirty thousand? No fucking Why is he trying to throw

9:24

Vegas? I I knew these

9:27

were Scott Foster's games 2 the time. Yes. He told you.

9:29

He was he was open with you and you He was open

9:31

at the

9:31

time. Mean,

9:31

he told me who these games You're a hundred percent

9:34

sure that he told you he was trying to throw off Vegas.

9:36

Of course. At the time. Hundred percent.

9:38

Yeah. Sure. He told me that that was his

9:40

rationale.

9:41

I was trying to throw off rate. Yeah. Trying to throw off

9:43

pace. And we left we left the bat.

9:49

But he also lance about me sending the Gambino

9:52

to go down the whack Kim and his kids.

9:54

So one line doesn't answer

9:56

for another line because he was bullshit about

9:58

that to cover his fucking ass. So he's gonna cover

10:00

his fucking ass for that day he was

10:02

really work on Scott. So What

10:04

happens with the oranges here? No. I ain't no

10:07

fucking apples and oranges. We're talking about a lot of fucking

10:09

money here and when he and he pissed off a lot

10:11

of

10:11

people. He was getting fucking pee no matter

10:13

what. So

10:15

If he didn't, fucking if the phone

10:17

records won't fucking lie.

10:19

When I saw the phone record, like, what

10:22

the fuck? So he's

10:24

picking fifty four games and he

10:26

talked to Scott pre and

10:28

after first fucking

10:30

call. Why didn't why went there any

10:32

calls in three games that have time? That's

10:34

to me is

10:35

I was there. You're no

10:36

ten better than anybody. Right. Why

10:38

is he calling Scott right after the game before he

10:40

calls you? I

10:42

was with a fork before you

10:43

are with him. He's on the road. was with him a

10:45

lot of the time. Not

10:46

the phone but the phone records, the

10:48

their sequences. Right? Where he calls Scott

10:50

before he call and then

10:51

He would call me if the game's a good boy.

10:54

But

10:54

he's calling Scott first. Well, he he was

10:56

in bed. So, like, he would call me when

10:58

he's in bed saying, good boy. Good boy. It

11:00

was, like, good night, but good boy.

11:03

Good. And I would say, good boy, and we

11:05

hang up because he won. So

11:08

was he was the quote and

11:10

quote Scott Foster before me? If

11:12

it was, I don't know. I'm not

11:14

a mine reader, but

11:17

I was there several times in

11:20

the room of them in Arizona and

11:22

Toronto, where I would see

11:24

him on the phone with Scott Boston. Did he

11:27

walk into the other room? He started the conversation

11:29

in front of me and walked into the other room. I

11:31

don't remember if he walked into the other

11:33

room, so I wouldn't hear him. You

11:36

know? He did. I mean, that's why you walk into the

11:38

other room when you're on the phone. No. But I mean,

11:40

yes. So did you the the

11:42

conversations that you heard with Donna He and Foster

11:45

started off very casual? And then

11:47

at some point, he walks into the other room.

11:49

And you don't hear the rest of the call. Correct?

11:51

Correct. Okay. So that and

11:53

again, that doesn't mean that you have any

11:55

additional information that just it's suspicious.

11:58

Yes. The phone records are suspicious. In

12:00

that detail from whistleblower from season

12:02

one, that was again,

12:05

this all behavioral. That is incredibly

12:07

suspicious. What is he talking

12:09

about with his other best friend that he doesn't

12:12

want

12:12

it? His best best

12:13

friend. If you're his best friend, Dean, So

12:16

he's talking so it's in the game right now. Exact

12:18

so exactly. They're talking about the game.

12:23

The game. When Martino

12:26

wasn't with Donahue in person, Foster

12:29

and Donahue would talk about the game,

12:31

and then Donahue would call Martino. Seconds

12:34

after 2 provide Tommy with

12:36

Foster's pick. It

12:40

sure would be interesting. To hear

12:42

faster side of these calls, right?

12:45

To understand from his lips, why

12:47

this is all just one big misunderstanding.

12:51

But Foster has never had to

12:53

speak publicly about his relationship

12:55

with Tim Donahue he's never

12:57

had to defend himself. Instead,

13:01

his defense came from his employer. The

13:05

Fedowitz report, the report commissioned

13:07

by the NBA in the aftermath

13:10

of the scandal, devotes six

13:12

pages to the Fox her Donahue

13:14

relationship. In the end,

13:16

Peddewitz concludes that the

13:18

relationship was innocent in

13:21

nature. Petawatts'

13:24

writing is intentionally dull.

13:27

The NBA didn't want anyone to read this report

13:29

and you're about to understand why because

13:32

Petawitz's defense of Scott Foster

13:35

isn't much of defense at all.

13:38

What you're about to hear is a word

13:40

for word reading of the report

13:43

starting on the middle of page twenty nine.

13:45

Part four, section eight

13:47

two. Title, Scott

13:50

Foster.

13:52

Several factors lead us to conclude

13:54

that Foster was not involved in

13:56

Ganihi's misconduct, that

13:58

there are innocent explanations for the calls

14:01

reflected in the film records. First,

14:04

no information suggests that

14:06

the government has ever believed that foster

14:09

engaged in any improper conduct with

14:11

Donnie. The government at

14:13

no time as indicated through questions

14:15

to the NBA or request for

14:17

documents that Foster has been under

14:19

any suspicion whatsoever. The

14:22

government contacted Foster only once

14:25

during its investigation when the FBI

14:27

interviewed him in August 2 thousand seven.

14:30

During this interview, which the FBI

14:32

conducted by phone rather than in

14:34

person, the FBI asked

14:36

Foster about his relationship with Adi.

14:39

Foster explained his long term friendship

14:42

with Donahue and told the FBI

14:44

that they spoke almost every day during the

14:46

season. It appears

14:49

that the purpose of this interview

14:51

was simply to confirm that Donahue had

14:53

accurately described his relationship with

14:56

his friend, Foster. Second,

14:59

although Donahue's attorneys submitted letters

15:01

to the court in June two thousand eight, alleging

15:03

misconduct by referees, Those

15:06

submissions contained no suggestion

15:09

that Foster was involved in any

15:11

improper conduct or that

15:13

any referee other than Donnie was

15:16

involved in betting on NBA games.

15:20

This point is worth

15:22

emphasizing.

15:33

Peddowitz offered eight factors in total

15:36

that led him and his team to conclude that

15:38

the relationship between Tim Donnie and

15:41

Scott Foster was innocuous.

15:44

The first two that you just heard

15:46

seemed to be the reasons pediments found most convincing.

15:49

So let's break them down. First,

15:54

he says that the government never

15:56

believed foster engaged in

15:58

any improper conduct. This

16:00

is where you have to tip your cap to

16:02

Petawitz and David Star. We

16:05

introduced evidence in season one,

16:07

that the NBA might have leaked the Donahue story

16:09

to the New York Post and forwarded the

16:11

government's investigation and the

16:13

process. Whether

16:15

or not that occurred, it sure feels

16:17

audacious for pediments to

16:20

put the responsibility of investigating false

16:23

on the government. Isn't

16:26

this pedowitz's report? Are we

16:28

reading this to understand his findings? What

16:31

does the government have to do with anything?

16:34

Next, Peddlewood says Foster can't

16:37

be involved because Tim Donahue

16:39

says Foster isn't involved. The

16:42

NBA and pediments tell us repeatedly

16:45

that Donahue cannot be trusted, that

16:48

he'll say anything. To deflect

16:50

blame. Tim Donahue is lying.

16:52

They tell us this over and over

16:54

and over again. Except

16:58

when it comes to Scott Foster. When

17:01

it comes to Foster, pediments

17:03

tells us that Tim Donahue is telling

17:05

the truth. He emphasizes

17:08

the point. And

17:11

now that you're starting to understand what was at

17:13

stake make for Donahue. If

17:15

word got out that he was betting with Foster, more

17:17

restitution, more jail time,

17:19

and open invitation for the government to

17:21

actually dive into his

17:23

phone and financial records. You

17:26

understand why Donahue wants

17:28

the relationship he fostered with Scott

17:30

to remain under wraps. Peddowitz

17:33

ends the foster section with this

17:35

paragraph. Foster

17:39

requested that we ask the NBA if he could

17:41

be allowed to meet with the media 2 explain

17:43

that he has done nothing wrong. He

17:45

also offered to have a reporter following

17:48

for a week during the next season so

17:50

that the reporter could understand the life he

17:52

leads as an NBA referee and

17:54

why and when. He's on

17:56

the phone with fellow NBA referees.

18:00

We have asked the commissioner to allow

18:02

Foster to respond to future

18:04

media inquiries.

18:11

Fifteen years ago. The Federer's

18:13

report asked the commissioner to

18:15

allow Foster to respond

18:17

to media inquiries. Fifteen

18:20

years later and the media is

18:22

still getting turned down.

18:25

And Foster has never had to answer,

18:28

pointed questions about his relationship

18:30

with Donahue, or more recently,

18:33

his bizarre feuds with

18:35

NBA stars Chris Paul and

18:37

James Harden. Why

18:39

does the NBA shield its

18:42

refs from the

18:42

media? What would the harm be in

18:45

letting them talk? What

18:47

are they hiding? You

18:51

know what I mean? You're talking about the game, but if if it's

18:53

a accurate talk. Right? If it's

18:55

Tim's You can't talk.

18:57

Let's go back to Tim's let's go back to the behavior

19:00

in Tim's claims. They had the most insane

19:02

rationale for why they wanted to referee

19:05

games a certain way in a way that

19:07

affected the outcome, in a way that fucked one

19:09

team over. Right? So they had vendettas

19:11

and those vendettas were acted out over

19:14

the course of forty eight minutes and they affected the

19:16

outcome of the game. Right? So according

19:18

to Tim, those calls with Scott. He

19:20

was just trying to figure out, hey,

19:22

Scott. Like, you you don't let him jump off

19:24

the bridge. Which by the way, like, Tim already knew that

19:26

information. Now that I'm saying this how loud. Right?

19:28

So Tim knew if Scott Foster didn't

19:30

like this player on the nuggets

19:33

or didn't like Vladi Devocher, didn't like

19:35

jack or didn't know. So Tim already knew that -- Right.

19:37

-- actually. Right? So Tim's plane was not the

19:39

word not on talking through this and

19:41

theorizing. That's kind

19:43

of even more unbelievable.

19:44

Or it's not or it's 2, like

19:46

you said. But if it's innocuous, why is he

19:48

on the phone? Why isn't that phone call taking place

19:50

in the same room as other best friends. I don't think he

19:53

don't think Scott Forbes served as his best friend.

19:56

He claims he they came to the NBA together

19:58

and his team claims they were best friends. Is it I'm I'm

20:00

I'm using 2 claims. They were

20:02

best friends. Okay. Cool. Tommy,

20:04

I love you. And if Donahue, he's listening Donnie,

20:07

you better know that Tommy is

20:09

attempting to protect you.

20:11

Well, I I don't I don't think Timmy cares

20:13

either way, honestly. I don't right.

20:16

I mean, or he would have

20:18

said what I'm saying.

20:22

Well, this is just my opinion on Nobody's

20:24

given the the key is that nobody

20:26

has given me or anybody a

20:29

good explanation. And there's two people

20:31

that can it can provide an explanation. Scott

20:33

Foster and Tim Donny. 2 given

20:36

a solid explanation for why

20:38

these guys were talking 2 the course of five and a half

20:40

months in a in a very

20:42

suspicious pattern. Why when

20:44

he calls Scott the cat

20:46

the conversation started off cat and then

20:48

he had to leave the room. Oh. When he is with

20:50

you, the person he feels most comfortable with. The

20:52

person with that you've had sex

20:55

together on the same bed

20:56

Correct?

20:57

Not me, him and I. No. No.

20:59

He was Now you guys you guys have hooked up

21:01

with girls in the same room. Yeah. So you guys

21:04

have been naked and had sexual intercourse

21:06

with 2 consenting females

21:08

in the same room. Yeah. You've he feels comfortable

21:10

enough to do He doesn't feel comfortable enough have

21:12

a a conversation with Scott Foster and you

21:14

don't find that suspicious at all. Maybe.

21:24

Joe, I gotta ask you a question. Go ahead.

21:26

Why would Timmy protect Foster?

21:29

Somebody Give me that

21:30

answer.

21:31

Now as he already made a

21:33

deal with the NBA

21:36

and the FBI,

21:39

We've talked about the NBA's PR

21:41

mastering the story, but don't forget

21:43

how cleverly Donahue played the system.

21:46

Donnie, he went to the FBI early and

21:48

directed Phil Scala's eyes to the

21:50

broader conspiracy. Scala wasn't

21:53

focused on Donnie's web who's focused

21:55

on the NBA's. The FBI

21:57

never seriously looked into foster

22:00

or any of the other suspicious numbers.

22:02

That popped up over and over again in

22:05

Donna's phone records. All

22:07

of those people escaped from this

22:09

mess, Scott free.

22:11

We called with Tommy's lawyer, Vicky

22:13

Hur, and we had an I had another person called

22:16

to find out who they

22:16

were. One was when I found out was Scott

22:19

Foster, who is this convenient? And you

22:21

saw that number over and over and over and

22:23

over and over again. But you made all these calls

22:26

and deduced that seven or other

22:28

people.

22:28

Yes. What are you thinking? So seven

22:29

or eight other people Tim's betting with. If one of

22:31

those --

22:32

We're just transmitting information. Let's you

22:34

know, like Again,

22:35

that was in my And that's not public. According

22:37

to Tim Donahue, he had teased or pressured him

22:39

to bet. He was he was trying to According to

22:41

Timmy, I I forced him to bet

22:44

because of according to Timmy, and he said

22:46

on sixty minutes ever was, I forced

22:48

him to bed, or I was gonna send

22:50

the Gambino's down to fucking whack his wife

22:52

and his

22:52

kids.

22:52

That's

22:53

what Timmy said. I was forced. I had

22:55

no other choice to do. And

22:57

you contend that's not true.

23:01

I don't know what 2 Tom, you answered that question.

23:03

Did I ever did I ever threaten

23:04

him? I

23:06

never saw you threaten me. Donahy

23:10

claims that Batista threatened him

23:12

at the Marriott meeting where they solidified

23:14

their pact. But Tommy in season

23:16

one, told us that Batista never

23:18

threatened Donahue.

23:20

Here's what Tommy told me at the end of episode

23:22

three. I think

23:24

lying point was

23:26

that Donahue was threatened by

23:28

Batista.

23:29

The fact of the matter is, he

23:32

wasn't. But

23:38

the team asked me to back him

23:40

up, you know, on that. So

23:42

I always have to say, I never threatened them, but

23:44

don't know what happened to you left.

23:46

This this chimney between to when I wasn't around,

23:49

but I I was never not around. Man,

23:54

I temporarily kissed if he heard that.

23:59

Alright. So going back going

24:01

back. So if Foster going back to

24:03

Tommy's question because it's an important question.

24:05

What is Tim's prerogative

24:07

and potentially protecting Foster.

24:10

He can't let anybody know that he's

24:12

been with seventy other guys. That's

24:14

more money that's coming into his pocket that he

24:16

has to account for. That if

24:18

Foster was involved and

24:20

Foster was if there's any sort of monetary relationship

24:23

between the two, that not only

24:26

makes Tim look way

24:28

worse, it's more money he has to count for.

24:30

It's takes. It says holy shit.

24:32

This is besides not

24:35

me running my operation. Tim has got his

24:37

own private little company. He's like, well, I'm getting

24:39

a few thousand from out on the fucking

24:41

games they're paying me. And if I if they don't

24:43

win, I'm getting paid no matter what. But

24:45

I know my games are good and I'm betting somewhere

24:47

else Think

24:49

about what the teaser is saying. Think

24:52

about Tim Donahue running his own

24:54

little company. Think about how easy

24:56

the money was for Donahue before Batista's

24:59

mistakes, not Donahue's, brought

25:02

the whole thing down. Batista

25:05

said twenty five to thirty reps across

25:08

major sports. DAB old

25:10

in game fixing during his years

25:13

in the underground betting world. Again,

25:16

the hard part, in my opinion,

25:18

isn't fixing a game

25:20

the hard part is getting

25:23

caught. He is a greedy

25:25

motherfucker. He really cared about money. If he

25:27

didn't care about money, in like

25:29

he did, then I would say, alright, you know what?

25:31

Maybe doesn't make me. But he's the greatest motherfucker

25:33

I've ever met my life. He only cared about money.

25:36

Tom? You

25:38

would answer that or pick you up? Well,

25:40

okay. He is. No. I can say what

25:43

he said he is, I'm asking your personal

25:45

assessment. Like you can say to can someone

25:47

say, do you think Babba had a drug problem?

25:49

Yes, he did. Do you think Tammy is a

25:51

greedy motherfucker?

25:54

Can you reword that?

25:56

Which part are green? Or Don't think Tommy answered

25:58

that, Jimmy.

25:58

Tommy. Tommy. We're not

26:00

listen. We're all green, Jim. We were all green.

26:02

No.

26:03

I didn't ask the question to your son

26:05

this morning. Is Timmy Dunnegy greedy

26:07

motherfucker? Yes or no?

26:10

I like those curse words,

26:12

Jim. You're what? Tomorrow's

26:14

Sunday. No. 2

26:15

tomorrow's Wednesday. I disagree.

26:22

Put

26:22

this on the record and this will be in the podcast

26:24

that Tommy still believes.

26:27

And Tommy was the one who's with him and

26:30

was the only one that heard Tindon. He talked

26:32

to Scott Foster on the phone during this time.

26:34

Knows Tim Donahue better than anybody, and

26:36

Tommy thinks that their relationship was innocuous

26:39

and thinks thinks they would've told you.

26:41

Yeah.

26:42

That's that's fair. I mean, that that's

26:44

why this is so interesting. Yeah.

26:46

That's why this is so interesting because you might

26:48

be right. I'm not I'm not this is the same

26:50

thing as an NBA foul is

26:52

if we watch the game with Tim Donahue right now,

26:54

one of the games he refed, and I said, Tim,

26:56

that's clearly a fucking block. And

26:58

he said, nope, it's a charge. Who's

27:01

right? That's the gray area

27:03

that he thrives within. And

27:05

that he when it comes to

27:07

what he's gonna hear, when we're talking on this

27:09

thing, and Tim Donahue is absolutely

27:11

infuriated that the three of us are sitting at a

27:13

table right now in Delaware County. Be having this conversation

27:17

without him being able to defend himself and

27:19

tell the story that he's told over and over

27:21

again. Like, it was it was gonna be really mad, but He's

27:23

gonna be no matter what, because his

27:25

story is the same if on the day

27:27

one. And the only thing I was gonna say is people

27:29

forget, once you make a deal

27:31

with the government, Okay.

27:33

You 2 stick to

27:34

it. Because they'll call you liar if you change

27:36

it. Right. And can't live with them or did you say?

27:39

Exactly. And that happened to tell me.

27:41

And that was why he didn't get the deal. He went

27:43

to jail. I know he could've done a

27:45

ship more

27:45

time. Well, that's a great cover up for him

27:47

because When the focus of the

27:49

attention's on you for doing something wrong,

27:52

what do you do? You

27:54

attacked your employer. You go after them.

27:56

You get to them and, you know, and then he looks at everyone

27:58

that he hates in the company that gave

28:00

him a hard time for the way he was.

28:03

So that's that's natural.

28:05

So to me in that, he's attacking

28:07

David Stern. He's attacking these fellow

28:09

referees. He's attacking all the wrong he

28:11

did. To cover up for what we

28:13

did. And that makes lot more sense to me.

28:18

I wanted closure when it came to Scott

28:21

Foster, and I still don't have it.

28:23

But Batista telling me that Donahue

28:26

was losing money on Foster's games with Ruggieri

28:29

2 me If true, says

28:31

that Foster was either the worst referee

28:33

game fixer in the history of sports or

28:36

genuinely had no idea that

28:38

he was a pawn in Donna's

28:41

scheme. The

28:43

phone records are suspicious. The

28:46

behavior is suspicious. Hedowicz'

28:49

language is suspicious.

28:52

Suspicious. Doesn't mean

28:54

guilty. Putting

28:57

Foster aside, let's focus

28:59

on Batista's claim that he worked

29:01

with twenty five to thirty refs or

29:03

the course of his bedding crew. And

29:05

combined that with former Columbo

29:07

Capo, Michael Francis, who

29:09

claimed in season one, that referees

29:12

were a regular part of his game

29:14

fixing operation. Donahue

29:18

got caught lot because the scheme got

29:20

too big. But what about the

29:22

other referees who kept things

29:24

contained? How many of them

29:26

are still out there? How many games

29:28

today are being fixed.

29:33

Hard of me feels ready to put the story

29:35

to

29:35

bed. To nubbed so

29:37

much my life already. There's another

29:40

ten year

29:40

summer, O'Hara Eddie Malloy. How

29:42

am I supposed to unravel this animal? It would

29:44

by way of twenty five to thirty refs.

29:47

But how

29:47

am I supposed to carry a public maker in mind?

29:49

Just the beginning of that, but

29:50

tell me there's so many people they

29:52

have every incentive 2 not

29:55

to. That's

30:00

where I was emotionally after Delco.

30:03

Then I get a phone call

30:05

from Jimmy Batista.

30:08

Jimmy. I just

30:10

thought the again, and he's off

30:13

his restrictions this July.

30:15

So he feels for he'd be free to talk

30:17

to us I 2 you the

30:20

marketing report, the financials, and

30:22

this shows lot of things, other NBA

30:24

referees that could have been possible then is sideways.

30:26

And I him two names. I don't wanna say them

30:29

yet until he said to look into them at

30:31

certain issues. And then he's got brand more about

30:33

all these other names. I said hold on. I

30:36

said, Like, if

30:37

it

30:38

comes July first or you're free, then

30:40

we can sit down and go over everything. He

30:43

agrees. He

30:45

was really good, but he says look into them things

30:48

right now. And I sent you the two names that

30:50

I throw some red flags

30:51

off, so out. Yeah.

30:54

You're

30:54

talking about Yep.

30:58

I did. And

31:01

what did you say there? It did last again.

31:03

I said, can you get me to report? He

31:06

has a shitload of information from patient. I

31:10

think we're fishing in the right pond now.

31:13

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