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Gambsite media. There
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is a jingle for pretty much everything in
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Japan. From electronic stores
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to giant discount stores. And
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curry brands. I
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have hundreds of Jingles living rent
0:25
free in my head. They're just so catchy
0:27
and impossible to escape. Sometimes
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I'll hear over a dozen a day just riding
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the train because every station
0:34
in Tokyo has its own special jingle.
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We live in a nation that loves mascots
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and jingles. So when we applied at
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Sakura Sachiko detective school, and
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actually got in, we shouldn't
0:46
have been surprised per se that they
0:48
sent us a CD of their jingle along
0:50
with other introductory materials. But
0:52
I was surprised delightfully so.
0:55
It also had the lyrics written out.
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And here's the best part. We found
1:06
out that the Jingle is on karaoke. And
1:09
there's a music video for it. The
1:11
latest Sakura Sachiko,
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a glamorous middle aged lady in a
1:15
sequined hot pink jacket. She's
1:18
dancing one moment, then lurking behind
1:20
an unsuspecting cheating couple in the
1:22
next. This is one of those moments when
1:24
a podcast can't quite capture the campy
1:26
magic. Background
1:32
checks, miss Condell, corporate investigation, accidentals,
1:34
surveillance.
1:37
These are just some of the cases detected agencies
1:40
get called in
1:40
for. After we found out Morning
1:43
Motors on sugar daddy sites, We actually
1:45
made some accounts to try and find him,
1:47
but we got no
1:48
bites, so we decided to be little more
1:50
proactive about things.
1:54
What if we learned how to track people from
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actual pro's at detective school?
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And after hearing the jingle, I was sold.
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This was school for us. It was
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a very rigorous process. I had
2:06
an image of a detective agency, something very
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film noir, smoky rooms,
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trench coats, gruff, troubled men.
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But Sachiko is none of that.
2:15
It's more like visiting an apartment store, an
2:17
advertising agency. Everyone is
2:19
clean, cut, well dressed, and polite.
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And yet, Sakura Sachiko is one
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of the biggest detective agencies and
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schools in Japan. They're known for
2:28
cracking cases that no one else can.
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Especially missing persons cases. Getting
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to detective school was going to require some
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traveling. All the way to Hokkaido,
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the northern most island in Japan.
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It's mostly rural and is famous for
2:42
ski resorts, hot springs, lavender
2:44
fields. There is even one hot
2:46
Spring famous for the gang of seventy two
2:48
monkeys who love to bathe there, but
2:51
that's not where we're going. We're
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going to Hokkaido's largest city.
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It's called Sapporo, like the beer,
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and it's known for being covered in snow
3:00
six months out of the year. None
3:03
of us had ever been to Hokkaido before. And
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by us, I mean myself, Chokul and
3:07
Tishanka, our producer.
3:08
How cool does that mean I can be a detective?
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She has a your goal in mind.
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I
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wanna be the first foreign detective in Japan.
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You can't be the first foreign to Japan. No,
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Tashanka. I'm pretty sure that that's already been taken.
3:21
Oh,
3:21
then I can get the first Sri Lankan detective.
3:23
We
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should look it up. So we fly
3:26
up there to Sapporo to learn from the pros
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and when we reach sacrificed headquarters
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by taxi. One of the
3:32
PIs greeted us in the lobby. We
3:35
recognized him detective Hanzawa.
3:37
The guy we met on our first video call about
3:40
detective school. Detective
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Hanzawa is a baby faced, fit
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guy in his forties. He is cheerful
3:46
and super chatty. He made some small
3:48
talk with us. Like, how was your trip? Did
3:50
you get enough sleep? Then
3:52
he went over the itinerary for the day during
3:55
the elevator ride up to the twelfth floor.
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He
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brought us
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into a room with a giant hardwood desk in a
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black leather seat. There were Sakura
4:03
Sachiko posters all over the
4:04
walls. Detective Hanzawa told
4:06
us to take a look around
4:07
while we waited.
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I'll also be in with you soon. I
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guess I was half expecting herself
4:14
to walk in wearing the sparkly pink suit from the
4:16
music video. Instead, it
4:19
was a middle aged man in a crisp
4:21
pinstripe suit. Detective Yamada
4:23
san. So I had to
4:26
ask. That's
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not exist. She's
4:32
just a makeup character for her
4:34
brand.
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Sockurosachiko may not exist, but
4:44
the detective agency under her name was
4:46
very real, and the private eyes working
4:48
there are some of the best in the business. Former
4:50
cops, ex military, and veteran
4:52
come shoes. And now, we
4:54
were getting ready to follow in their footsteps.
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From campsite and Sony Music
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Entertainment, this
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is gone with the gods, season
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one of the event
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Freighted. I'm Jay catastrophe.
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And I'm Shogo Kanbeck. Episode
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six, Sakura does
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not exist.
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I guess I knew deep down that SAKER SAKER SAKER SAKER SAKO
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wasn't a real person. But I really
5:27
wanted her to be. It would have
5:29
been so cool. The truth
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though, this trim well dressed
5:33
guy, Yamada san. Was the
5:35
wizard behind the curtain.
5:37
I wanted to make this a company
5:40
that women would trust. So
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I decided not to call the company
5:45
something normal like Yamada, the detective
5:47
agency, but by a
5:49
feminine name instead, detective
5:53
agency. I
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asked a professional announcer who
5:57
also happened to be an acquaintance
6:00
of mine to be the Kalakta.
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It's smart marketing. According
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to Yamada san, over half of all clients
6:08
seeking out detective agencies in
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Japan, or
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women. And Yamatisan understands
6:12
this. He's been the CEO of
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Sakura Sachiko for just over ten years
6:16
now, which means that he hasn't worked in the
6:18
field in a
6:19
while. The last time was back
6:21
in two thousand eleven, in the aftermath
6:23
of the massive Fukushima earthquake and
6:25
tsunami, In that disaster, thousands
6:28
died and as many as three thousand
6:30
people went missing. He's a true veteran
6:32
of the industry. And he has
6:34
a surprisingly simple approach to running
6:36
a detective agency.
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Every person had the light to become
6:40
happy. I think detectives
6:42
have an important role protecting
6:44
those who come close to losing
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that right. Okay. We
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can bring back the happiness of a client
6:51
by getting to the to dos. That
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lyric from the jingle says, whatever the truth
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is, I just want to know the truth.
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Yamada's son runs his detective agency
7:06
on this philosophy, but the
7:08
job of a detective is to get to
7:10
the truth. And when it comes to finding
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missing
7:12
people, you need to figure out how
7:14
they disappeared and why.
7:17
We weren't going to detective school
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just to find more immortal. We also wanted
7:21
to learn more about what type of person
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goes missing in
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Japan, and the demographics of the
7:26
modern day evaporated. As
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it turns out, the largest demographic of
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missing people are what you might think
7:32
of as runaways, or as
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we've been talking about them on this show,
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people who intentionally evaporate.
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The next big demographic are elderly
7:41
people with dementia who accidentally go
7:43
missing. In fact, out of the
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eighty thousand people who were reported missing
7:47
every year, over ten thousand
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of them suffer from dementia. In
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two thousand twenty one, it was over
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seventeen thousand six hundred and thirty
7:56
six people, nearly a quarter of the
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total. The rarest
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cases are the ones that involve crime
8:02
or other nefarious circumstances. All
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in all, missing persons cases make
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up about thirty to forty percent of
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the work that Sakura Sachiko takes
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on. It's no coincidence
8:13
that the manual of complete vanishing and
8:15
two of the other manuals for evaporating
8:17
were written by private detectives. Are
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at least overseen by private detective agencies.
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Maybe we should have started here first. We
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had just enough time before our first lesson to
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grab hand coffees from the vending machines.
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Then we were escorted to our classroom, a
8:34
tiny room with the projector black
8:36
swivel chairs, pens with the Sakura
8:38
Sachiko logo on
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it. And
8:39
there was a glass display filled with detective
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gadgets, I glanced at some of the labels on
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the gadgets, wall clock camera,
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electric calculator recorder,
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spectrum analyzer, whatever that is, and
8:51
so on. My favorite were a pair of
8:53
camera glasses. We were
8:55
here for three days. And during
8:57
this time, we had three main instructors.
8:59
You've already
9:03
met Hanzawa san. He's the Jovio guy
9:05
at the top. Turns out,
9:07
he left the self defense forces, that's
9:10
Japan's military, after realizing
9:12
how much he hated being around
9:14
flies and
9:14
insects. It wasn't the risk of being
9:17
shot. It was the bugs.
9:20
Then there was Anizak san. She
9:22
usually works in the client intake room,
9:24
which looks like it's decorated for a tea
9:25
party. Everything in there is in
9:28
various shades of pink and cream with lots
9:30
of lace. Because on his accent
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is so poised and elegant. She looks right
9:34
at home in there. She used to be a
9:36
fashion counselor before becoming a detective.
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And now, she's a counselor for clients at
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Sakura Dasechko. And
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last but not least, there's detective Kudo,
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our primary lecturer. He's
9:48
slender. He wears glasses. And who
9:50
gets really excited about the nerdy
9:52
stuff. He's very partial
9:54
to dense slideshoes. Are
9:57
you okay with kanji? I've
9:59
heard that you are. We're okay. I
10:01
can read and write pretty well. Pungi
10:06
is the hardest of the three writing systems
10:08
in Japan. Jake and I are pretty
10:10
comfortable with it, but this was still some
10:12
pretty advanced stuff. We got our
10:14
notebooks out. I stole a pen. It
10:16
was like being back in college. And
10:18
as we sipped on our vending machine coffees,
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Detective Kudo set up his PowerPoint presentation.
10:24
The first slide had the three commandments
10:26
of detective work. First
10:29
of all, we teach our budding detectives that
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you must not investigate by engaging
10:33
in a legal activity or by
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breaking the law. And we should
10:37
never scare people into talking. This
10:39
could include something like saying we
10:41
are cops or acting like we're
10:43
from a violent
10:43
gang, like the yakuza. The
10:47
second thing we teach is never use
10:50
methods that could ruin someone's reputation.
10:54
Lastly, never behave in
10:56
ways that would betray the trust of
10:58
cooperating parties. This
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is all basically true in journalism too.
11:03
Like don't betray your sources, and that
11:05
should be obvious. Another
11:08
similarity between journalism and detective
11:10
work is how you go about investigative
11:12
interviews. Which is basically getting
11:14
information from people without breaking
11:16
the law. And unlike
11:18
Japanese cops, we are not able
11:20
to arrest someone, lock them up,
11:22
and interrogate them for twenty three days without
11:24
a lawyer present. What we
11:26
do is kind of an art form.
11:27
You need to leverage human psychology to
11:30
your advantage. One easy
11:33
way to do
11:33
this, use a disguise.
11:36
You need to dress right till the
11:38
people are more open to talking
11:39
to you. Kudos
11:40
on mentioned a case that required him to talk to
11:42
some homeless
11:42
people, so
11:43
he didn't wear a suit. He wore a
11:45
scuffed up blue collar uniform.
11:48
But
11:48
looking trustworthy is only half the battle.
11:50
You really have to know how to make people
11:52
talk. Japanese people
11:55
often use the line I wanna
11:57
keep this just between you and me, but
12:00
Don't tell anyone, but is the
12:02
line I've heard a lot in the states too.
12:04
It's like saying, I wouldn't tell just anyone, but
12:06
I feel like I can trust you to keep my
12:08
secret safe. Detectives use this line
12:10
to get people to open up to them all
12:12
the time.
12:14
For example, I would tell Jake a
12:16
secret, like, what my parents are
12:18
like. And now that I've shared my secret with
12:20
Jake, he might feel closer to me, and
12:22
then I try to extract back stories from
12:24
him. So that's why sharing
12:26
secrets is a basic move. This
12:29
sounds kind of manipulative, but as
12:31
long as no one gets hurt, it's fair
12:33
game. And detectives sometimes have
12:35
to do questionable things to get answers so
12:37
that they can help
12:38
people. Take this one case for
12:40
example, where Anizaki san pulled one
12:42
over on the postal service. She
12:46
was working on a missing person's case about a woman
12:48
who ran away from home. The detectives knew
12:50
that the missing lady loved online
12:52
shopping. They were able to find out that she
12:54
recently ordered a package, but they
12:56
didn't know exactly where it was going,
12:58
so they struck up a plan.
13:00
They called the delivery company and claimed it was
13:02
their package and
13:03
asked, can we confirm the delivery
13:06
address? The
13:07
male carrier read us half the address
13:10
and we were about to ask for the street
13:12
address, but then she got
13:14
skeptical. She asked us
13:16
why we didn't know the address we were sending it
13:18
to. So we made up a
13:20
story about how we contact
13:22
the aunt and uncle receiving the package
13:24
to reconfirm the address ourselves.
13:26
She understood and hung up the
13:29
phone. From there, they were
13:31
able to narrow down the area the missing
13:33
woman was in. An his accent
13:35
went there and did a thorough sweep of the whole
13:37
area until finally, they
13:39
found the missing lady in a drugstore.
13:44
Disruption
13:44
is part of the business and you have to
13:47
be fast on your feet. It's
13:49
hard to invent believable little
13:51
lies, and it can be an uncomfortable
13:53
thing to
13:53
do.
13:54
I think the biggest
13:56
difference between detectives and the police
13:58
is this. Detectives work
14:00
for their clients, and the police
14:02
work for the law. This is why
14:04
so many people go to detective
14:06
agencies when they really want to find someone.
14:09
Without compelling evidence that the missing
14:11
person was involved in a criminal case,
14:13
or foul play, police might not have any
14:15
grounds to investigate the disappearance. Detectives
14:19
will strongly encourage you to make a
14:21
missing person's report to the police.
14:23
But police can only file a report from
14:25
a close relative or the legal spouse
14:27
of the missing person.
14:29
There's another sneakier reason police sometimes
14:32
don't take on missing persons cases.
14:35
Sirius cops and detectives at police
14:37
headquarters they hate taking on cases they
14:39
may not be able to solve. This
14:41
is one reason why missing persons cases
14:43
are sometimes very
14:44
misclassified. And other
14:45
times, it's just old fashioned
14:48
Japanese misogyny. Detective
14:50
Kudo had one really disheartening
14:52
story.
14:53
That's after the break.
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On a winter
14:59
night in a small community near Denver,
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Colorado, gym math used
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arrived home late. He expected to find
15:05
his twelve year old daughter who'd been dropped off after
15:07
a Christmas concert. But when he
15:09
called out, hi Janelle, No one answered.
15:12
She was gone. Thirty
15:14
five years later, in two thousand
15:17
nineteen, her body was discovered.
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The police turned their attention two men who
15:21
had told law enforcement years
15:23
ago that he knew something, but
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they dismissed him. The man did seem
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Every missing person's case has its own
16:19
unique set of challenges. There's
16:21
one case that really haunts
16:23
detective Kudo.
16:24
This woman went missing in the dead of winter in
16:27
Sapporo. She
16:28
left saying that she was going to hang out with an old friend
16:30
of hers. It was
16:32
snowing very hard. She got
16:34
lost and had called her mother.
16:36
The call got cut off while they were
16:38
talking. And when her daughter didn't make it
16:40
home on time, the mother called the
16:42
police. So the police started to
16:44
investigate. And the first thing they
16:46
did was look into her call
16:47
history. And what they found
16:50
made them decide not to look into
16:52
the
16:52
case. The call
16:56
record showed a gentleman's club that she
16:58
went to. So police
17:00
dismissed the case saying that she was
17:02
probably with some guy.
17:03
Imagine having the value of your life dismissed
17:06
because God forbid, you might have gone
17:08
out with
17:09
someone. There was no actual sign that he had anything
17:11
to do with it, but the police refused
17:13
to consider any other
17:15
option. In the
17:17
end, Kudos on's contract with the
17:19
client expired, and that was the end
17:21
of
17:21
it. We wrote
17:22
up a report and gave it to the mother.
17:25
The result was unfound. That
17:27
was winter. In the spring,
17:28
the snow melted, and a body surfaced
17:31
out of the mountain of snow. The
17:33
place where she got lost and called her mother.
17:35
It was where a lot
17:36
of cloud trucks would come through.
17:38
This is just what I imagine happened,
17:41
but I think when the snowplows came,
17:43
she got scared. She ran up
17:45
the snow mountain to get
17:46
away, but got buried underneath
17:49
it. Apparently,
17:50
this happens a couple times every
17:53
year, especially when it snowed a
17:55
lot. What a thing to
17:57
imagine? You're walking down the street in
17:59
the middle of the city and you
18:01
see an arm peeking out of the
18:03
snow. Jesus, that's a horrible image. What an
18:05
awful way to It really is.
18:07
Hard not to wonder if maybe they
18:09
could have found a woman in time if the
18:11
police hadn't just dismissed the case.
18:14
They were so quick to
18:16
decide that a woman who goes to a gentleman's club
18:19
wasn't worth being taken seriously. There
18:21
are tons of cases like this.
18:24
This particular case had a really
18:26
tragic ending, but in general,
18:28
detectives have a pretty good track record for
18:30
bringing people safely back to their
18:32
families. Especially with
18:35
runways. And it turns
18:36
out that a lot of people run away
18:38
for pretty relatable reasons.
18:41
Hi. In most cases, people decide to
18:43
run away because they're having trouble with human
18:45
relationships. Family
18:46
issues, work problems, They have the urge to
18:49
escape from the pain of their current situation
18:51
and become free. Kudos on
18:53
things that most of the time, people
18:55
don't really want to run away.
18:58
He told us one story about a guy who suddenly disappeared from
19:00
work and left his wife and kids. But
19:03
he didn't run far
19:06
He was hiding in his car, parked at a
19:08
mountain, about ten kilometers away from his
19:10
home. How long are you? I think this
19:11
is you need to Japanese people, but he
19:13
probably thought that he couldn't deal with the shame
19:15
of screwing up at work. He couldn't let
19:17
his wife and children know about it because he
19:20
was embarrassed. So he thought he had no choice to
19:22
run away from his family. He
19:25
couldn't help but worry about his wife and
19:27
kids, so he would gaze
19:29
into his house every night and go back to the
19:31
mountains before dawn. For
19:33
people like that, they feel like they have no
19:35
right to go home on their
19:37
own. That's such a uniquely Japanese
19:40
tragedy. Contrary to our
19:42
expectations, we actually have lots
19:44
of cases where we found missing person
19:46
and they tell us thank you for
19:48
finding
19:48
me. Generally speaking, people don't
19:51
truly want to go missing. But
19:53
they find themselves in position that they feel like they
19:55
should
19:55
disappear. It's pretty heart
19:58
wrenching to imagine someone who wants to
20:01
go home but feels like they messed
20:03
up so bad that they can't.
20:05
People who feel this way need their loved
20:07
ones to come look for them to provide
20:09
reassurance that they're wanted back home. And
20:11
that they're not just useless failure or a
20:14
burden, which is a big fear for people
20:16
in Japan. In
20:17
most of the cases
20:18
we were hearing about, The
20:20
clients are reunited with their missing loved ones pretty
20:23
quickly. The
20:23
detectives get
20:24
to see their fair share of happy endings.
20:27
But how do
20:27
the detectives do it? Or
20:29
do you even start when you're trying to find a
20:31
missing person? We've tried finding
20:34
Morimoto with limited success.
20:37
Very little success. Our attempt to
20:39
catfish him on a sugar daddy website
20:41
that failed miserably.
20:42
Unsurprisingly, we were coming at it
20:45
all wronged. You have to be structured
20:47
and strategic if you're serious about
20:49
finding someone. Let's
20:52
go through it from the top. First,
20:55
you're gonna wanna build a profile about the
20:57
person. You can start by
20:59
asking the client, but you're gonna have to dig a
21:01
little Are there any notes they
21:03
left behind? Do they keep a
21:04
journal? Something that will let you into their
21:07
heads. Detectives often
21:09
call up old workplaces for
21:11
two reasons. One, it
21:13
helps construct a portrait of that person's
21:15
mental state leading up to the
21:17
disappearance. Maybe something happened
21:19
at work, or their performance was declining, or
21:21
they've been absent a lot more than
21:23
usual. Two, just
21:25
knowing what the person did at their old job
21:27
can be a
21:28
lead. For example, there's
21:30
a good chance that their current job
21:32
and their old job require a
21:34
similar skill set. we'll cold
21:37
call like a hundred of these sorts of
21:39
companies and see if this person's around.
21:41
Certain skills and licenses can be
21:43
a solid lead. For example, if they have a driver's license, which is
21:46
increasingly uncommon among kids
21:48
today that could be in transportation, delivery,
21:52
driving a taxi. Those
21:54
jobs tend to be easier to get hired
21:56
into with no questions asked.
21:58
If they have a teaching qualification, they
22:00
could be using that. Cosmetology licenses,
22:02
boarding licenses, any lead
22:04
helps. You're not gonna be surprised that one
22:06
of the tried and true methods for detectives
22:08
is to track a digital footprint.
22:11
It is the twenty first century after
22:12
all. Oh, yeah. Their computers are
22:15
gold mines. There have been a
22:17
bunch of cases where we found a
22:19
person's whereabouts just from their
22:21
email or their Facebook or
22:23
Instagram, that information is usually
22:25
stored somewhere on their computer. So
22:27
that's another angle we can pursue. An
22:31
unexpectedly common way for a location
22:33
to get accidentally revealed is if
22:35
a person uses public like
22:36
WiFi. You know, you go to
22:39
use the Internet at an airport, a
22:41
coffee shop, a net cafe, and
22:43
they send you an email with a
22:45
registration
22:45
link. And bingo, the detectives
22:47
can use that to figure out where you
22:49
are in real
22:50
time. On the other
22:51
hand, if a missing person leaves a laptop and
22:54
phone behind, that can really be a bad
22:56
sign. People who intend to start
22:58
over generally need these
22:59
things. There are
23:01
other worrisome things to find left
23:04
behind. ID, money, a change of
23:06
clothes. It
23:06
usually means the person doesn't plan
23:09
on starting a new life, which means
23:11
detectives have to consider the
23:13
possibility that the person tends to kill themselves
23:15
so they have to work really fast
23:17
and even start calling up
23:18
morgues, hospitals, police stations,
23:21
fire
23:21
departments. But assuming they're not a
23:24
suicide risk, people who
23:26
disappear and start new lives usually go
23:28
to places they've been before. Places
23:30
they've been on vacation, their college town, their
23:33
hometown, or they stay with someone they
23:35
know. It's human nature
23:36
to seek out familiar things.
23:39
Even after going through the trouble to disappear,
23:41
even
23:41
missing people
23:42
tend to do exactly what they
23:45
were doing before they went missing.
23:47
Even after they've disappeared,
23:50
people still tend to spend their
23:52
time doing whatever it is they enjoy
23:54
doing beforehand. So
23:56
we do a little digging into their
23:58
hobbies and interests. What's it called?
24:00
If they were into books
24:01
before, they're probably regulars in
24:03
a books for
24:04
now. Or
24:05
if they you could go ask around at some gyms.
24:08
Detectives will come up some places the person
24:10
might hang out and do surveillance there.
24:13
The surveillance tactic is especially
24:16
relevant if the missing person has a chronic
24:18
illness or maybe a routine check up they
24:20
go to every few months.
24:21
Sometimes a person will
24:24
come out of hiding. If they become seriously
24:26
ill and have to go to the
24:27
hospital, if they're making regular visits, we can
24:30
try to find a
24:31
pattern. Are
24:31
there particular weeks each month?
24:34
How about days of the week? Then we can
24:36
stay out the place on those days.
24:38
They find
24:38
out the right place and the right time
24:40
and basically just wait in the parking
24:43
lot. So
24:44
suppose you found your target alive and well
24:46
or just alive and not yet dead because you
24:48
found them at a hospital. Anyway,
24:52
congratulations. Here's the fun
24:53
part. Ultimately, the task
24:56
at hand is delivering their
24:58
location back to your client. You
25:00
don't wanna spook your
25:00
target, so you're going to be a little
25:03
sneaky.
25:03
This is why we spent a
25:06
whole day at detective school learning
25:08
a very particular set of
25:10
skills. The art of
25:12
Bico.
25:13
Bico, tailing, is a surprisingly
25:16
major part of the private eye job
25:18
description. I think I
25:19
spent
25:19
about half a quick job telling
25:22
people. Sometimes
25:23
I don't tell anyone for all months.
25:26
But there was one time I
25:28
tell someone without sleeping for three
25:30
days. That was the most significant case of tailing that I'd
25:33
ever done. I I did that without sleeping. I thought I
25:35
dropped dead.
25:36
If you've successfully identified your
25:39
target, there's a good chance be traveling around by
25:41
car, especially in the countryside where there's
25:43
less public transport. Han
25:45
Zawazan, our primary instructor for this
25:47
part of the effective school. Taught
25:49
us some of the basics of tailing by
25:50
car, but there was a slight problem.
25:53
None of us
25:54
really drive very well. I
25:56
didn't get my license until I was twenty one and
25:58
Jake didn't get his until he was
26:00
thirty four. We both should have
26:02
failed the test. So it's
26:04
the that we learned how did GPS track a
26:07
moving vehicle instead. This
26:09
was much more our speed, and we finally
26:11
got to use a cool detective
26:13
gadget. It's about the size of a small candy
26:15
bar. It has a magnet on the back that
26:17
you're supposed to use to attach it to the
26:19
underside of a
26:20
car. Maybe you've seen something like this in the spine
26:23
movie. Our instructors took us to
26:24
a garage to have us try it out.
26:26
Hanza was Han carefully laid out a flattened
26:29
piece of cardboard, underneath
26:31
the trunk of one of their vans. This was
26:33
a nice gesture so that we didn't get motor
26:35
oil on our
26:35
shirts. Then it gives a demonstration.
26:38
Hanzoa is
26:44
explaining that you have to get
26:46
down. feel around the frame of the
26:48
muffler to find a flat spot to touch
26:50
the tracker too. Hi.
26:56
The key is
26:59
to be able
27:01
to do this quickly. You might only have a
27:03
small window of time to get the job done.
27:06
While your target runs convenience store for some rice
27:08
balls and potato chips. It
27:10
goes without saying that you won't have the luxury of
27:12
folded cardboard to lie upon, so
27:15
wear a ratty old shirt, I guess. And
27:18
you have got to be quiet about it.
27:20
You should only hear a little clink
27:22
to confirm you've got it attached.
27:23
Right there?
27:29
Alright. It's right
27:32
in here. That magnet
27:39
is really strong. But once
27:41
it's attached, you can just track where your target goes using your
27:44
phone. And voila, you know where
27:46
they are at all times. Is
27:48
kind of creepy. Please don't try this
27:50
at home. On
27:51
the other hand, tailing on foot is
27:53
a whole other thing. So much easier
27:55
to get caught. this,
27:58
Han's Amazon took us to another location
28:00
of the school out in the suburbs
28:02
where they had a very nice garage.
28:05
Before you start following your target, you
28:07
wanna take stock of your surroundings. You
28:09
know, get the lay of the
28:10
land. Could they slip underground to catch
28:13
the subway? And where are the bus
28:15
stops? This is important because if
28:16
you know the exits and entrances, you
28:19
can avoid coming face to face with
28:21
your target. The idea is to take the
28:23
opposite side of where you think they'll
28:25
be, and that way, you're ready to head in any
28:27
direction that they decide to go.
28:29
Even the
28:29
best detectives get caught sometimes. Hans
28:32
Alessan
28:32
told us that if the person we are telling confront
28:34
us, we need to respond with
28:37
faint ignorance. Basically act like we don't know what
28:39
on Earth they're talking about. You have
28:41
to muster up the best acting you've ever done by
28:43
getting defensive and saying something like
28:45
Which is basically
28:49
like, What are you talking about?
28:52
The most common failure in tailing is losing
28:54
your target. It takes a lot of
28:56
concentration to follow someone.
28:59
In our line of work, if you
29:01
take your eyes off the target for even
29:04
three seconds, the likelihood of you
29:06
losing them shoots up.
29:07
If that does happen,
29:08
stay calm and get your bearings. It
29:10
won't do you any good to panic. Next,
29:13
we're driven to what looks like a sprawling
29:16
suburban area. Where the roads are wide lined
29:18
with small shops and factories. Kind
29:20
of reminded me of Oakland or certain
29:22
parts of Los Angeles. They gave me
29:24
a camera to use for the test.
29:26
If I were a real detective, I need to take photos of
29:28
my target when they entered or exited a
29:30
building so I could show my clients where
29:33
they've been. Our task was
29:35
to tail Hanzalassem, take photos
29:37
of him across town, and keep
29:39
our communication open with our
29:40
instructor, Tanaka. How do we
29:43
do?
29:43
Well, that's after the break. Back
29:50
in the day, students at Sakura such go
29:52
detective agency were asked to follow
29:54
real civilians for this part of the test.
29:57
But that didn't age so well. So now they have us
29:59
follow someone from the detective agency.
30:02
In our case, that was Hanzawa san.
30:04
Who he started spying on from across a busy
30:07
highway on the outskirts of Sapporo.
30:10
My first
30:13
task was to snap the picture of our target as he
30:16
came out of
30:16
the building. Target is leaving the building. But
30:18
but there was a truck right in
30:20
front of us. It didn't take long for
30:22
us to finally find our target. Don't lose
30:24
a job help. We're counting on
30:27
you. We literally lost our target
30:29
within the first three seconds.
30:31
So we just just disappeared behind a bus and he'll
30:33
be still walking. We followed him by van for
30:35
a couple blocks until we got close to
30:37
the train station Han Zawazan
30:42
told us it was time to get out of the
30:44
car. We
30:50
are following
30:53
our target, staying about two meters
30:56
behind. Shokan and I had to work as
30:58
a team, but also pretend we didn't
31:00
know each other. We
31:02
also had to be
31:02
on the phone the whole time so that we could
31:04
communicate but still act natural.
31:06
So
31:07
could we got orders to lower
31:10
the distance, man? We're gonna have to walk a little faster, tease
31:12
this kid this fast. I
31:14
was focused on getting the distance
31:16
right. But I also had to basically speed walk
31:18
to keep up with Han's Alisson's rapid
31:21
pace. About ten minutes in, our
31:23
target went underground into
31:25
the subway. This was our first time in
31:27
Sapporo, so everything was unfamiliar. Shoko
31:29
was zooming, but I ran
31:31
into my nemesis. Lots of
31:34
stairs. Stares everywhere. When you
31:36
have a crap knee, a staircase
31:38
is a real obstacle. Honsai san
31:40
ended up getting on the subway and Jake
31:42
just barely made it onto the train.
31:45
He barged in there with absolutely zero
31:48
chill. My instinct was
31:50
to keep my distance and to stay on the
31:52
same side of the train where her target sat
31:53
down. That way, I figured I could
31:56
keep track of him without ever looking at
31:58
him direct Jake, on the
31:59
other hand, plopped down directly across
32:02
from our target. Hey, I wanted
32:03
to make sure I didn't lose him.
32:06
After we got off the train, we followed Hanzawa
32:08
san through sprawling underground
32:10
walkways. There's like a whole
32:12
city underneath Sapporo.
32:14
I'm going up to steps. If he doesn't go up to steps,
32:17
let me know.
32:21
Okay. I'll try
32:24
and catch him.
32:24
Okay. Go go
32:26
go go go go go go
32:28
go. I've totally
32:31
lost him by trying to go
32:34
ahead. Saw in your hands now. You have to
32:36
decide. Oh, by
32:38
the way, Everyone is calling me Yoshida san
32:40
because that's my surname in Japanese.
32:45
Jake, are you giving up? Jake?
32:57
I tried giving him directions so that he could find us again.
33:01
Three coin. There's like
33:03
a Lawson. There is
33:05
a bunch of clothing shops.
33:07
I don't think that there was
33:09
a McDonald's
33:10
now. And you might wanna hurry a
33:12
little bit because we're getting outside now.
33:15
And that's how we
33:18
lost Jake. But I
33:20
didn't want to lose Hanzawa san.
33:22
I followed him to the subtotal clock tower,
33:24
which is a famous tourist landmark.
33:26
He waited there for a while,
33:28
And finally, another man showed
33:31
up. I took
33:31
a bunch of photos of him talking.
33:35
Mission
33:35
accomplished. Jake finally
33:37
caught up, and it was time to get our
33:40
evaluation from Hanzawa san.
33:44
Hi.
33:45
Jixon came and sat down directly at the house.
33:48
That's not advisors. You're right.
33:49
You're much
33:50
better off where your Shida san was positioned.
33:53
And you wanna stay out of your target's peripheral
33:56
vision. Saying I was
33:58
too close on the train, I stuck
34:00
out, but Choco who's sneaky
34:02
by nature with often a corner
34:04
in the sort of the perfect position to spy
34:06
without being noticed. Thank you very
34:08
much. You're welcome. It's one of the
34:10
compliments that I was spending It's in
34:12
in my profession, that's a total
34:14
compliment. Hanzo has
34:15
passed me with flying colors.
34:18
Jake, not
34:20
so much.
34:20
I really stood
34:23
out. I was
34:25
like an eyesore. I
34:28
don't
34:28
even know how to translate McChex's, like like like fucking terrible.
34:31
He he he totally stood out.
34:33
I got a anti ninja.
34:37
I'm a stand and fight kind of guy. I'm
34:39
not really good at blending in.
34:42
Something I wasn't expecting from more three days
34:44
of detective school was a full assessment of our strengths and
34:46
weaknesses. After this many years on the
34:48
job, you don't get a chance to be
34:50
evaluated, at least not
34:52
very often. Or to attend a
34:54
graduation ceremony.
34:57
I didn't think
35:00
I I
35:13
All of our teachers attended and Yamada san handed up
35:16
thick Canvas diplomas with our names engraved on
35:19
them and it was very
35:20
nice. We felt accomplished and we
35:22
really did learn so much about why people disappear
35:24
and how you should go about
35:26
finding them. And
35:27
if Tishanka ever does pursue a career as
35:29
an expat detective, this should get her foot
35:31
in the door. If everyone is as
35:34
good as such ago likes her enough, Maybe they'd offer
35:36
her a job. And there's no better
35:38
way to cozy up to people than to go out
35:40
for dinner and drinks.
35:42
This is called nomenication
35:44
in Japan. Is a combination of the word, no mood to
35:46
drink, and communication.
35:48
They treated us to a feast of
35:50
some of the best seafood in Hokkaido
35:54
We ate salmon, scallops, octopus, shellfish,
35:57
and all kinds of very
35:59
tender meats. Plus the finest beers
36:01
in sake, Hokkaido had
36:04
to off her? Yamada san in
36:06
particular was like a
36:06
different man out of his suit. I had
36:09
something for Yamada san
36:12
too. A nifty Star Wars t shirt. I noticed back on
36:14
a first day that he had this tiny little
36:16
Darth Vader sticker on his laptop case, and
36:18
I couldn't help but point it out.
36:22
Thank you very much.
36:24
Do you happen to like Star Wars?
36:30
Yes, I do. I throw the movie.
36:32
After dinner, I suggested we
36:34
go to Karaoke, the national pastime
36:38
of Japan. I also to
36:40
sing the sacrosachiko jingle
36:43
with everyone. Absolutely. Seeing
36:46
a Sakura such Go theme song with Secura such Go detectives would be
36:49
the most surreal and
36:51
fun thing ever. So
37:03
after we warmed up
37:06
a little bit, Tassanka
37:09
queued it up. We let
37:12
Anna and her
37:16
grandson have them
37:20
like first. Oh my
37:23
god. As
37:28
for us. Well,
37:31
what's
37:33
your call?
37:36
Shoku got her karaoke session.
37:39
Tizanko is one step closer to becoming Japan's first
37:41
Sri Lankaan detective, and we learned a
37:44
lot of useful investigative skills to track
37:46
down Mory Moto. But any
37:47
detective will admit that it's often just
37:50
luck that makes or breaks a
37:52
case. That's something they cannot
37:54
teach you at
37:56
detective school. Here's one of my favorite
37:58
stories we heard in Sapporo.
38:00
Curacao went to a busy tourist
38:02
destination to look for a
38:04
missing person. It was a needle in
38:06
a haystack situation, but he had
38:08
a gut feeling that the missing person
38:10
was there. So
38:12
he went. And while he was waiting in traffic, a
38:14
car zoomed by that happened to be the
38:16
same color and model as the one that he
38:18
was looking for. So he chased
38:20
after it,
38:22
and Lois behold, he found his missing person. Jake,
38:24
didn't you say that something like
38:26
this has happened to you as well?
38:29
Yeah. I find this is definitely true in journalism.
38:32
Often, it's just dumb luck. Like
38:34
back
38:34
in two
38:35
thousand and three, I was looking
38:37
for the witness to a brutal murder
38:39
that happened in my own neighborhood with
38:42
no luck. I decided
38:43
to take a break from knocking
38:45
on doors.
38:45
I went to my favorite bar in Reponge and told the
38:48
bartender my tale of
38:50
whoa.
38:50
It turns out, this bartender was
38:52
the eyewitness I was looking for.
38:55
And I somehow just stumbled upon
38:58
him. There have been moments in this podcast
39:00
where things felt like they magically clicked
39:02
together too. And meeting in
39:04
Nagy Son or our final night in Sapporo was one of
39:05
them. United
39:06
Sun doesn't work for the
39:09
sacrosachiko detective agency. He works
39:11
out of the Yokohama office for a group affiliated
39:14
with Sakura
39:15
Missing persons searched Japan
39:17
or MPS for
39:19
short.
39:19
We had no idea about this in advance, but our
39:22
friend at Socrisaccio Sachiko
39:24
agency had thoughtfully arranged an interview
39:26
with MPS. It was a group that
39:28
we'd been trying to get in touch with four
39:30
months, and Avisan was a
39:32
boss. MPS is one
39:34
of the biggest online bulletin boards
39:36
for missing people in
39:38
Japan. It's like the back of a milk
39:39
carton, but a website. People either
39:42
post on the website about a missing person they're
39:44
trying to find, Are they called
39:46
the organization directly
39:47
for help? Yenagi san is a tall
39:49
man in his seventies. With
39:51
what I immediately recognized as a police detective
39:54
face and he's very
39:55
earnest.
39:56
If you hang around Japanese cops for
39:59
thirty years, you start to recognize the look, even their
40:01
area of expertise, cops who
40:04
bust Sakura look
40:06
like
40:06
yakuza. Homicide cops look
40:08
like they have indigestion. We
40:10
were
40:10
chatting with Yanagi son about privacy laws in
40:13
Japan when his phone rang. Oh,
40:16
sorry. This is a missing
40:18
person's call. I have to take
40:20
this. Excuse
40:21
me. Hello?
40:24
Yes. This is m p as
40:26
Japan. He listened carefully to the
40:28
woman on the other line. She
40:31
was audibly panicking, but he gently
40:33
guided her step by step on
40:35
what she Where to go on the
40:37
website? Who to contact next? Yanagi someone's warm in
40:39
reassuring. It's clear he does this all
40:42
the time.
40:43
There was a phone call about
40:45
grandmother that went missing.
40:47
Sorry about
40:49
that. He
40:50
ended the call by snapping shut his foot phone. He's seriously old
40:53
school. He doesn't even use
40:55
email, which might explain why
40:56
it's so hard to reach MPS. Yanagi
41:00
son and Jake hit it off immediately.
41:02
He was super excited to
41:04
meet Jake. He kept saying how he had read
41:06
about Jake's background on the Internet. They
41:09
formed a swift
41:09
bromance. Tassanka and I were clearly the third and
41:12
fourth wheel, but that's
41:14
okay. He's
41:15
an ex cop.
41:17
And well, I spent my twenties and thirties in Japan
41:19
rubbing shoulders with police as a crime
41:21
reporter. Yes, we are from opposite ends of the
41:24
crime world, but we share a
41:26
special understanding. After he retired, he decided to help find missing
41:27
people. That's his main job
41:30
now. But because he was a
41:32
former cop,
41:34
He was able to talk to us a bit about what it's like deal with
41:36
missing persons reports from a cop's perspective.
41:41
The thing is, when a person
41:43
who hasn't broken the away or goes missing, the
41:46
police have no responsibility to
41:48
look for
41:50
them. All they have to do is make a missing person's report.
41:52
And if the person shows
41:54
up, say to renew their license.
41:57
The police might take the persons side
42:00
and say, hey, there's a
42:02
missing persons report out
42:04
for you. Is you consider letting your family hear your
42:06
voice so they know you are
42:08
okay. And they might let them use
42:10
their phone. I
42:12
think that's a very considerate response for
42:15
a policeman to
42:15
have, but an indifferent policeman
42:18
who just looked the
42:20
other way.
42:22
Eunagi son falls into the former category.
42:24
That's why he's continued into this kind
42:26
of work even after retiring. Being
42:28
an ex cop has its benefits too.
42:32
When you're
42:32
on the force, you can't really help with cases outside of
42:34
the scope of your job. It's hard
42:37
to offer advice or assistance to people without
42:39
a lot of red
42:41
tape involved. But as a former cop, you have a lot more
42:44
leeway. Yonagesson previously spent
42:46
a quarter of a century as a police detective
42:49
and Toshiba prefecture. He offered to show
42:51
us around including in Nico City.
42:54
Nico is a
42:54
popular tourist spot, a couple
42:57
hours north of Tokyo, and
42:59
where as luck would have it, we had been planning
43:01
to go for months.
43:06
If you keep up with the news in Japan,
43:08
Nico might sound familiar. That's because it's home
43:10
to one of
43:11
the most perplexing and widely covered
43:13
disappearances in recent memory.
43:16
On July
43:20
twenty ninth
43:23
two
43:23
thousand eighteen,
43:26
a thirty six year old French tourist, named Tiffany Varone, left
43:28
her hotel at ten AM in
43:29
Nicoll, and was never
43:32
seen again.
43:33
It was like
43:34
she vanished into thin air, and it
43:36
caused a
43:37
storm in this sleepy tourist town, and
43:39
all over the world. Nicko
43:42
is famous for its tranquil
43:44
scenery in world heritage sites.
43:46
A foreign tourist going missing
43:48
there with no explanation is
43:50
a really big deal. And on the other side of the world,
43:53
in France, they wanted answers.
43:56
What happened to
43:58
Tefane Veron? Next week
44:02
on the evaporated,
44:04
we're going to meet retired detective
44:06
Anagi in his old stopping grounds.
44:08
Nickel. Join us as we retrace her steps on
44:10
the fourth anniversary of her
44:12
vanishing and confront local
44:15
police to see if they
44:18
finally admit that it may not have been an accident.
44:20
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