0:08

What's up, well that's good fam. Happy Wednesday

0:10

everybody. I hope you're having a great

0:13

week, but per usual, it is about

0:15

to get so much better. I know

0:17

y'all are excited for this episode. I've

0:19

already seen y'all commenting on Instagram. Y'all

0:21

have requested this couple so many times.

0:24

So I'm thrilled to announce that we

0:26

finally have Matt and Abby on the

0:28

podcast. Welcome to the Well That's Good

0:30

podcast. Yay, thanks for

0:32

having us. This is so exciting. Honored

0:35

to be here. Hey, it is so exciting

0:37

for me. Truly, we've had so many people

0:39

request that y'all come on and then we

0:41

did this little like, oh look who's coming

0:44

up and everyone's like Matt and Abby. So

0:47

I'm so thrilled. Everyone's going to be pumped

0:49

to get to hear from y'all and I'm

0:51

excited to just get to know you guys

0:53

because we've never met. Yeah, this will be really

0:55

fun. Yeah, super excited. So fun.

0:57

Okay, so before we jump in and get

0:59

to know each other, I got to ask

1:01

you the question that everyone gets asked on

1:03

their first home on this podcast and that

1:05

is kind of an intimidating question. It's kind of

1:08

big to just drop on at the very

1:10

beginning, but what is the best piece of

1:12

advice that you two have ever been given?

1:16

Do you want me to take it off? I feel like we've got

1:18

different ones. Yeah, I think we do. I think we do. For

1:21

me, it's to enjoy the process and

1:23

fall in love with the process for

1:25

anything. I love that. Yeah,

1:29

I feel like we're both goal oriented people and

1:32

you almost like delay your happiness

1:34

till you achieve that goal, but

1:36

through like falling in love with the process, like

1:39

every day can become just like

1:42

fulfilling and happy and not

1:44

just focused on that one.

1:47

I don't know. Not that goals aren't important, but

1:49

falling in love with the process has made achieving

1:51

my goals way more

1:54

enjoyable and possible. Yes, I

1:57

feel lame. Oh, Oh yeah,

1:59

it's funny. I regularly the same as

2:01

obvious as really yeah will rot in

2:03

day told me there like just fully

2:05

live in this moment and enjoy it.

2:08

And on my wedding day I did that.

2:10

but my whole life I've lived looking for

2:13

the future some so moink side of the

2:15

next day mods or excited for like you

2:17

know marriage and then kids buying a house

2:19

and like always looking for to things in

2:21

the future. And then

2:24

I've I've ignored my been present in

2:26

the moment. so ah, that's something that

2:28

I'm i'm susannah work on today. But.

2:30

Ah the I think that guy goes right along

2:32

with the joined the process. So I love

2:34

that a are you planning is like

2:37

so perfect by that. Such good advice

2:39

Honestly because so many people do you

2:41

live like that it's like they with

2:43

whole like you said their happiness until

2:45

their goal is achieved but the process

2:47

is like flight. that process is a

2:49

huge part of your life. You're going

2:51

to spend way more time in the

2:53

process and the achievement other and says

2:55

you might as well make those days

2:57

tower and make as a Sunday mass

2:59

email you make the memory sound is

3:01

I can think about the process of

3:03

getting. To places and on an as

3:05

normally actually in the process that you have

3:08

some of the best memories. We were actually

3:10

just talking the other day that how many

3:12

funny stories we have in the airport which

3:15

is kind of like a good point

3:17

to say that trips or memorable that since

3:19

they're fine by on the way they're eve

3:21

has such fine memories as well and that's

3:23

part of it as I see Just lighting

3:26

is it He has you guys and

3:28

truly in the process on a trip whenever

3:30

as each one of your son had like.

3:33

An explosion and was every who

3:35

have. Stores

3:37

are travelling like like people eyes

3:39

as yeah my travel of i

3:42

surmised like. Just. Just make

3:44

it in our agenda that yourselves Anglia says

3:46

The guy that is hop into his eyes

3:48

are it's hey there has had a blue

3:50

and it's the one time you don't pack

3:52

the extra outfit and in their just like

3:54

in their die for your light Yes this

3:56

is where we're at. Now.

4:00

God, take him off the plane like this. I'm

4:02

like, it is zero degrees outside. I

4:04

didn't realize walking off the plane, this

4:06

specific airport, we weren't gonna be indoors.

4:08

It was outside in Montana, freezing cold.

4:11

I was like, we have to make this work. Thank

4:13

goodness Abby spent 15 minutes scrubbing the

4:15

poop out of the onesie in the

4:17

restroom and this tiny

4:19

little airport, airplane bathroom. So,

4:21

yeah. You're totally

4:23

right that made it fun, honestly.

4:25

Like funny. It was just funny. We were

4:27

already having a horrible travel day that day. That

4:30

was like the one flight. I changed three poopy

4:32

diapers on that flight. And then one of them

4:34

was a blow up. It was two hours

4:36

long, I don't understand. It was a two hour flight. Like what the heck?

4:38

That always happens. Like our very first flight with

4:40

Honey, you know, you're gearing up, you're trying to

4:42

do everything right. We have all the things. I

4:44

saw y'all had Ms. Rachel. We had all of

4:46

our, you know, we watched Listener Kids and we

4:48

had it like prerecorded so that we didn't need

4:50

wifi just in case. I mean, we were like

4:52

ready. And then it was on like,

4:55

as soon as we took off, she poops and

4:57

I'm like, oh no, this is not good. And

4:59

I'm only like two, three months postpartum. This is

5:02

our first child. So I'm already kind of like

5:04

unsure. I've never changed a baby on a plane

5:06

before. So go back there, change her.

5:08

Then I go back to sit back down and

5:10

we're on a flight to California. So from Dallas,

5:12

California, it's like a couple of hours and

5:15

it's already not going well. So then she

5:17

starts crying and she's not just like crying.

5:19

Honey has this tongue roll cry where like

5:21

literally she rolls her tongue so loudly. Like

5:24

our pediatricians, like we know when Honey gets here because it's

5:26

such a loud cry. So she's doing this on the plane.

5:28

I'm like, oh no, no. So then I'm like, I'm just

5:30

gonna go sit in the bathroom with her and just sing

5:33

to her and try to just, you know, distract her. So

5:36

I'm sitting in the bathroom literally singing. I'm like singing like,

5:38

Jesus, I'm singing all these songs. And

5:41

I'm thinking no one can hear me. And I'm

5:43

there for like 30 minutes singing, talking to

5:45

her, all this stuff. And then Christian comes

5:47

and knocks on the door and he takes

5:49

over and I realized they could hear me

5:51

the entire time. I'm thinking I'm like removing

5:53

the distraction, being in the bathroom privately, little

5:56

did I know the whole plane heard Jesus

5:58

loves me and the tongue girl. So that

6:00

was like our first start to traveling.

6:02

And you know what, it's very humbling,

6:04

but those are the things that we're

6:06

still laughing about and talking about. So

6:09

that's really good advice. You just gotta

6:11

laugh at yourself along the way as

6:13

you go. I really agree. We can so

6:15

relate because our pediatrician as well is like,

6:18

holy cow, your son has- The lungs on

6:20

this guy. Yeah, has some powerful lungs. It's

6:23

our second. He is

6:26

built different. I don't know. And he's gotten

6:28

way easier as he's gotten older, but

6:30

in the think of the newborn stage, I

6:33

thought at one point I might get very

6:35

lost. Oh my gosh. Because of how, yeah,

6:37

and I don't know. It's just, yeah, every

6:39

kid's different. Every kid is so different.

6:41

Honey was like that, like strong and loud

6:44

and independent. And then Haven is just like

6:46

so gentle and sweet and like, honey is

6:48

really sweet too, but it's just a little

6:50

bit different. And so it's just funny. Every

6:52

kid's so different. You just get to see

6:54

their originality form at such an early age

6:56

and it's so beautiful and so cool. But

6:59

anyways, people obviously love y'all. I've mentioned that.

7:02

It's so fun to follow you guys journey,

7:04

but I want to hear just how y'all

7:06

met because I think I saw

7:08

y'all started dating or met in the eighth grade.

7:10

So y'all been together for a really long

7:12

time. So take us back to how y'all's

7:14

relationship started. Yeah, we

7:17

met in the eighth grade doing

7:19

theater together. We're a theater kids crowd-

7:21

That's awesome. Without it too. And I'm sure

7:23

that comes with no shocker for people that

7:25

have seen some of our stuff. Some of

7:27

Matt's moves that can only come out. That's

7:31

awesome. We

7:33

both, it's such an interesting experience because

7:35

we both had never dated anybody until

7:38

we dated each other. Like we had,

7:40

then on dates, we'd never been like

7:42

exclusive with anybody. And so

7:44

that didn't come till later. Cause I don't

7:46

know. I was just not, I had

7:48

such a crush on him, but I was like, I'll

7:51

wait for him to come to me. And so-

7:53

That's awesome. Our

7:55

junior year of high school. Yeah, the summer

7:57

after junior year. We were in another- together.

8:00

Yeah. And we ended up asking Abby

8:02

on a date and we dated long

8:04

distance throughout our senior year of high

8:06

school. I lived in Missouri, Abby lived

8:08

in Illinois. And then we decided to

8:10

go to college together and pursue careers

8:12

in acting. We were trying to hopefully

8:14

make it on like Broadway or something

8:16

like that. But yeah,

8:19

and then we ended up changing our degrees completely

8:21

and deciding we wanted to focus on us rather

8:23

than pursuing like the arts just

8:25

because we were worried about how it might

8:27

affect our relationship with being a part if like one

8:29

of us was on a tour for a show and

8:31

we wouldn't see each other for a couple months. We

8:33

just didn't want to live that life. So that went

8:35

into finance. I went into education.

8:37

Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

8:40

We've been together for seven and a half years. Wow.

8:42

That is so cool. I love that though, because

8:44

you know, you look back at your life and

8:46

even if you think you're like, Oh, well that

8:48

felt kind of random or that felt kind of

8:51

random. Somehow God works out for getting you back

8:53

and you're like every single thing was intentional and

8:55

got you to where you are today. Because like

8:57

you did the theater thing, you thought you were

8:59

going to do it on Broadway, but now you're

9:01

using all those talents on your YouTube. Y'all are

9:03

writing songs, putting songs out. Even y'all's videos are

9:06

just so funny and fun and exciting. Like it's

9:08

just really cool to see what how

9:10

he used that and it didn't look like

9:12

Broadway, but it looks like what y'all are doing now.

9:14

And y'all are probably influencing so many more people in

9:16

this way than even you would if you went to

9:19

Broadway. So that's so cool. It

9:21

is so cool. Because I truly never thought

9:23

that we would ever do anything like this.

9:25

I feel like most people that end up

9:27

in this career, it's not

9:29

something that they necessarily thought they were going to do

9:31

grown up because it didn't even exist. But it's

9:33

been such a blessing on our marriage and

9:36

our family. And that's why we're

9:38

so grateful for it. And

9:40

in college, we really wanted to get married while we

9:42

were in college, which was very different. We had like

9:44

none of our friends were even dating and we're like,

9:46

we want to get married and we're 19. And

9:48

so we were working at a pizza restaurant together,

9:50

we shared a car, we found a pizza restaurant

9:53

that was willing to hire both of us. You're

9:55

like, believe in us, we're not going to break up

9:57

and like make this a mess for you. that,

10:00

yeah, we were like, please like give us shifts at the

10:02

same time so we can drive together to work. And

10:05

it was at that pizza restaurant that we were like,

10:07

if we could work together one day or like own

10:09

a business together, it'd be the coolest thing ever. So

10:11

we feel so blessed. It's so cool. So cool.

10:13

Y'all are like the ultimate package deal. It's

10:15

like, if you take me, you take her.

10:19

That's what we did when we were auditioning for

10:21

colleges too because we were pursuing theater. You have

10:23

to audition for a program. We like old schools.

10:25

Like how funny is that? Like we're 18 telling

10:27

colleges, like if you want to accept me in

10:29

your acting program, you're gonna have to take my

10:31

girlfriend. Like we were literally saying that to people.

10:34

That's a true package. That's amazing. I saw y'all talking

10:36

about this in one of your videos and

10:39

I thought it was so good. You're talking

10:41

about how like dating has kind of become

10:43

a lost art and how dating is so

10:45

fun and it's so beautiful. So talk a

10:47

little bit about y'all's dating years and what

10:49

you think this generation's missing out on by

10:52

not being intentional about dating. I

10:58

remember graduating high school and being so overwhelmed

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13:13

Well something I really am thankful

13:15

for that Matt did is he

13:18

like I was never wondering like are we dating

13:20

or like what's the situation like right away he

13:22

was like I want to ask you on a

13:24

date and like call that he wasn't like let's

13:27

just hang out or like not if there's anything

13:29

like that's always a bad thing but like I

13:31

knew his intentions from the beginning were like he

13:34

wanted to be in a relationship with me and

13:36

so when it was like okay we're dating and then

13:38

it wasn't like this long period of like us going

13:40

on dates before he was like will you be my

13:42

girlfriend like that was like five days

13:44

after our first date. I love that. And so I

13:46

like that I wasn't just like left in this like

13:49

weird questioning state which is I hear from so

13:51

many other girls now they're like well we're kind

13:53

of dating I think like we haven't really talked

13:55

about it but like I don't

13:57

I don't I wouldn't like that.

14:00

So I really appreciate that you were like very

14:02

intentional from the beginning. And, um,

14:05

yeah, it was fun. Like we always did

14:08

fun things out together. It wasn't like we were

14:10

just like, can we just

14:12

Snapchat each other? Like,

14:15

um, I don't know.

14:17

Not that everything has to be formal, but like

14:19

we went to Chick-fil-A. We went on a hike.

14:22

We went to a movie, like we went to

14:24

a haunted house. Like it was fine. Dating's

14:26

all about the thought behind it. Like it's more

14:28

so the meaning it's less about like what you're

14:30

doing, but like the reason you're doing it. And

14:33

so something we, we just started this yesterday. So

14:35

we're actually repeating our first date. So yesterday we

14:37

went to Chick-fil-A for dinner and we got like

14:39

all dressed up and went to Chick-fil-A and then

14:42

read cards we had written to each other in

14:44

the past. And then tonight we're going to a

14:46

movie cause we also went and saw a movie

14:48

on our first date. And then after that we

14:50

went hiking. So the next day tomorrow will be

14:52

a hike. We, since we have kids, we can't

14:55

do our massive, we can't do it. We're

14:58

flipping our first date into three days.

15:00

All I have to say is that I

15:03

feel like that is romantic. Like

15:05

it's institutional. It's like

15:07

we're going out and making memories together. Whereas

15:10

like I feel like dating now, it's like,

15:13

it's just a matter of like convenience. Yeah.

15:16

And I think you should let the person know that

15:18

it is a date and let them know, like plan

15:20

something out. For instance, sometimes I've

15:23

thought that I'm being nice to Abby. If I'm like

15:25

letting her pick the restaurant and letting her like when

15:27

he heard it, she was everything, but she actually wants

15:30

me to, she wants me to come up with the

15:32

whole plan. Cause that to her, that means that I

15:34

really thought about her and I had her in mind

15:37

and I took the time to plan something. So. We

15:39

take turns playing dates. It's not like it always

15:41

has to be. Yeah. But I

15:43

love that. Well, I love that so much.

15:45

It's all about intention and pursuit. And the

15:47

truth is just like, everyone wants to be

15:49

pursued. Everyone wants to be pursued. Everyone wants

15:51

to feel like someone thought about them And

15:54

we're intentional about loving them well. And So, you know,

15:56

people are like, Oh, do you think that the guy

15:58

has to pursue the girl? I'm like, They don't

16:00

like a has the he should want to

16:02

like what new want him to desire to

16:04

proceed you and them for the girl back

16:06

to him wouldn't you wanna show henning give

16:09

him confidence supersede love pursuing him and being

16:11

kind back to him and having these something

16:13

so it's not like oh you have to

16:15

or you're trying to be traditional it's like

16:17

wouldn't you want see it is that so

16:19

beautiful in it's so fine and again like

16:22

he say a ceiling to they can be

16:24

so confusing people you're not really sure does

16:26

he takes me three days ago but I

16:28

haven't heard from and I am. There is

16:30

such a guess to give someone just

16:32

like year commitment as as against against

16:34

them was clarity and that and I

16:36

just remember person was so good about

16:38

that because one day we are on

16:41

the phone. And we're just gotten

16:43

the habit of talking on the phone all the

16:45

time like phone cause he would call me every

16:47

night and or he would like tell me when

16:49

he was you the Communists a hammer to play

16:51

Thursday night this I was telling states because we

16:53

were long distance as well. I was living in

16:55

Nashville and he was in Auburn Alabama at school

16:57

and so we can just gotten this hadn't we

17:00

talk and then it was a for we had

17:02

really established like we were dating, we have religious

17:04

met we happening with on a date yet we

17:06

just so enjoyed talking to jealous and I that

17:08

are as as you Tomorrow and I'll is like.

17:11

Or. Not I mean you have to. I got

17:13

laid off grid about it because I was like

17:15

the you know how to start to do I

17:17

do like of course I'm going to.he's Maurice er

17:19

takes in the morning as is like really sleep

17:21

because it kind of was like and of course

17:24

I I said it said naturally because. Of.

17:26

Course he would that's that's what he had

17:28

so me but in the past my dating

17:30

headless like I'm not sure. do they like

17:32

me? do they know It's like a little

17:34

bit confusing and so I love that he

17:36

was just like so clear with his intentions

17:38

and actually is It is funny big that

17:40

you said that about planning to day because.

17:43

He. Has come under day and he was come to

17:45

nashville and that's where I live So. He. Might

17:47

with things like ice implanted aches as I live but

17:49

I was like hey I think use of planet earth

17:52

like mean allow in his seat is like. You.

17:54

know what you cannot live and let what using

17:56

a science and he planned as like really fun

17:58

day but where we went to one is a

18:00

place called Tupelo Honey. And it's just really

18:02

cool that our daughter's name is Honey now.

18:04

And I had never been to Tupelo Honey

18:06

and that's something I didn't even know was

18:08

in Nashville. And so it just is really

18:10

sweet. You know, you never know those little

18:12

nuggets that seem insignificant at the moment that

18:14

you look back on and become such core

18:17

memories. But I love how

18:19

y'all were so intentional about that. And I love

18:21

how y'all got married young because we got married

18:23

young too. And not everyone, you know, does that.

18:25

I might think that's a little bit crazy, but

18:29

whenever you were getting married, were any of

18:31

your friends married too? Or were y'all like the

18:33

first one to take that leap? And was that

18:35

kind of crazy? Yeah, we were the first. We

18:37

were definitely the first. And we,

18:40

I mean, I remember feeling like

18:43

it was intimidating because I didn't like know anybody

18:45

that had done what we were doing. Yeah.

18:48

But we were we were very serious about

18:50

it. And so like, like,

18:52

like I said, with the with the pizza

18:54

restaurant, we were trying to find ways that

18:56

we can make money so that we can

18:58

support ourselves financially. Yeah, I was reading books

19:00

for Dave Ramsey. Like here I am, like

19:02

growing up in dance class and like trying

19:04

to be trying to get into acting yet

19:06

now I'm like doing a reverse 180 and

19:08

trying to like learn everything I possibly can

19:11

about finance so that I can know how

19:13

I can support us financially. So

19:15

it was it was an exciting time. And

19:17

it really forced us to mature quickly and

19:19

grow up fast. And

19:21

sure, we missed out on a quote unquote college

19:24

experience that some of our friends got to have

19:26

because they weren't married as young as we were

19:28

in college. But I would also argue that we

19:30

got to experience a unique college experience that nobody

19:32

else got to because we got married while we

19:35

were in college. So yeah, in life, you just

19:37

you have different paths that come

19:39

upon you as you go. And maybe your experience

19:41

might look different from somebody else's. But I

19:43

think what works for one person doesn't

19:46

always work for the next person. So you got to

19:48

just stick to what works for you. And

19:50

I will say like, at the time of us getting

19:52

married, we didn't really know a lot of other married

19:55

people, at least our age, we had mentors

19:57

and stuff. But Soon

20:00

after we got married we found like

20:02

a whole new community of people that were also young

20:04

and married that yeah Cool. It's really

20:07

fun. We're still friends with today. So Um,

20:10

I didn't think there was anyone else was like man

20:12

We were so alone in this and then I'm always

20:14

shocked kind of time again like there's

20:16

so many other people in your exact same boat and It

20:19

was really cool like meeting them to be friends and

20:21

getting to share in very similar life experiences. That's so

20:23

cool It's so true. Like sometimes you are scared to

20:26

take a step because you're like no one's doing that

20:28

But then once you take the step you realize oh

20:30

wait, a lot of people are doing this I just

20:32

wasn't doing it before so I didn't know and I

20:34

felt that way before like when I moved to Nashville

20:37

I felt like oh man I've been taking this leap

20:39

and then it was so cool because I got there

20:41

and like oh all of you guys are taking this

20:43

Huge leap and have something you're passionate about that You're

20:46

starting and you're a little bit nervous and

20:48

it was just so cool to meet people along

20:50

the way and same thing like those Girls that

20:52

I met during that season that we all have

20:54

moved around the same time and met They're still

20:57

like my best friends to this day and we

20:59

don't live in the same place But we really

21:01

on so many levels to each other still and

21:03

so just any they're the friends that like you

21:05

can not see them For a while, but as

21:07

soon as you see them you pick up right

21:09

where you left off because you got to experience

21:11

something So special together. So that's so cool Um,

21:13

I love how y'all mentioned that you totally did

21:15

not see this coming that y'all were going to

21:17

be like social media influencers Obviously you

21:20

were going down the finance route. You were going

21:22

to education y'all thought about Broadway theater This wasn't

21:24

really in the picture Which I think is cool

21:26

in and of itself because some people think they

21:28

have to have their whole life planned out and

21:30

I don't even Think you could do that If

21:32

you really tried because there's so many twists and

21:35

turns that it takes and for the good But

21:37

how did y'all get into this what led y'all

21:39

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21:44

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21:46

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Yeah, I mean, real quick, though, like you just said,

24:20

it's funny, we talked about that all the time. We

24:23

have no idea what our life is gonna look like

24:25

a couple years from now. Because if you would have

24:27

told us that our life like we would be living

24:29

in Arizona, with two kids, like with

24:31

with doing tik tok as our job, like tik tok

24:33

didn't exist five years ago. So like, yeah, I don't

24:36

know. It's funny that you say that because we can

24:38

so it so relate. But I

24:41

would say I noticed Abby was watching

24:43

couples vloggers on YouTube. And I grew

24:45

up as I love making

24:47

videos as a kid, I was a creative and

24:49

would make a video for every school project ever

24:51

did. And there's just a passion of mine. I

24:53

love filmmaking. And so I was like, wait, maybe

24:55

we could like, do these lifestyle vlogs

24:57

of us, like as a couple we're getting married

25:00

young, which is kind of different

25:02

and out there, maybe people will be interested in watching your

25:04

videos. And so we that's what initially

25:06

got us into it, because I thought, hey, this would

25:08

be really fun, just as a creative outlet for me,

25:10

because I wanted I was desperate to do something creative.

25:13

Since I love finance, but it was too

25:15

much, like, yeah, too much business stuff. I

25:17

wanted to do something fun and creative. So

25:19

that's how we initially got into it. It's

25:21

actually there's a funny little sub story

25:23

to that too, is because when we

25:25

got married, we're

25:27

on budget, of course, for the

25:29

wedding. And one thing that was

25:32

on the chopping block was a

25:34

wedding videographer, because it's very pricey.

25:36

And so don't worry,

25:39

I know how to edit videos for my high school

25:41

class. I'm just gonna buy

25:43

a camera, have my cousin record some

25:45

things, and then I'll piece it together.

25:47

And so he did just that. And the

25:49

wedding videos actually on YouTube, which is so funny,

25:52

because at the time of buying this camera, we

25:54

did not have a YouTube channel like, well, even

25:56

thinking of anything like this. But then that camera

25:58

is just sitting in our little He's like,

26:01

well, it's like an investment. I already spent

26:04

the money on this camera. We should make more

26:06

videos. And then that's kind of what it was

26:08

for the first night. Just like him. Yeah,

26:10

making use of this camera that he got. And I

26:13

really, I really I knew people

26:15

were able to like somehow financially support themselves

26:17

through doing YouTube. So I was like, Hey,

26:19

if this could even be a side

26:22

hustle of some sort, like some people have a small

26:24

business on the side. Like some teachers

26:26

will, you know, sell things on the side and make

26:28

extra money. I was like, this would be so cool

26:30

if my creative outlet could maybe like make us some

26:32

money on the side to like pay for a vacation

26:35

a year or something. And then it

26:37

was kind of disheartening though, because like, I

26:40

made YouTube videos every week for a year and

26:42

like nobody watched them like we got like, my

26:44

parents were sharing them on Facebook. I did

26:46

not believe it was like my parents and

26:49

all their friends. It was like that. She

26:51

was watching your videos. And so somehow though

26:53

with with tiktok is where we were able

26:55

to gain a following through tiktok dances funny

26:57

enough, since we both have dance backgrounds, we

27:00

took ballet together in college. So like we

27:02

we did tiktok dances early on, when

27:05

that was a thing. Yeah, so a lot

27:07

of hard work went into developing our like,

27:09

platform is what they call it. But it

27:12

was never it started

27:14

off so organic that it's weird

27:18

to, I

27:20

don't know, see what it's become. Yeah,

27:22

honestly, yeah, never like, again,

27:25

it's the process. It's not like I

27:27

went into it saying, we're gonna get

27:29

you know, 6 million followers or whatever.

27:31

It's like, we're just gonna do this

27:33

because we pay money for this camera.

27:35

And we're gonna have fun and like,

27:37

we actually can dance. So let's say

27:39

that's so good. You got to use

27:41

what you got, you know, and sometimes

27:43

it's really as simple as what you

27:45

have like, that's our whole thing live

27:47

original, if you start to really embrace

27:49

who you're originally created to be, you'll

27:51

be amazed by how naturally and effortlessly

27:53

things just flow from that space, you know,

27:56

and, and it's normally those things that you know,

27:58

are already inside of you that God's to get

28:00

to use and multiply and do incredible things

28:02

with. I think sometimes we try to

28:04

like overthink our

28:07

life, you know, and sometimes it's just as simple as showing

28:09

up and doing something with the camera

28:11

you already have. And so, but I love that

28:13

you said it took a year and you're like,

28:15

here I'm going for a year and my mom's

28:17

shirt on face, like no one's watching it. Cause

28:19

I think sometimes people think like, they're

28:21

like, oh, like I'll just be an

28:23

influencer. I just need a video to go viral.

28:25

Or, oh, I'll just start a podcast. I'll buy

28:27

a microphone and like, yes, that's the first step.

28:30

But there's a lot that goes into it. It's

28:32

actually really hard work. And there's a lot of

28:34

work that goes on behind the scenes and a

28:36

lot of commitment that has to happen. Like there's

28:38

a lot of time before people make

28:40

it that you're just, you know, having fun with it

28:42

or working towards that or building an audience. There's a

28:44

lot of highs and lows with that. Like

28:47

a lot of people don't know this, but the first time

28:49

we did a LO tour. So we've done

28:51

like, we did three LO tours. We now have conferences

28:54

and they do really well. But the first time we

28:56

did it, it was so different than anything that I

28:58

had ever done before. And I had

29:00

a following from Duck Dynasty and Dancing with the Stars.

29:02

And right after that, I was like, I wanna do

29:04

this. Like this is totally different, but this is what

29:07

I really am passionate about and I wanna do. So

29:09

I started this tour and no

29:11

joke, like we were trying to

29:14

sell arenas. We sold 42 tickets

29:16

in Albuquerque. I will never forget. And we

29:19

had to cancel the show because it was

29:21

like, it would have lost so much money.

29:23

And so we actually ended up just having to

29:25

go to Albuquerque and spending the day there, not

29:28

doing anything as a part of

29:30

our route, just because it didn't sell tickets. And then

29:32

we went to Oklahoma the next day and it sold

29:34

out, but then we went to New York and same

29:36

thing, it didn't sell tickets. And it was just this

29:38

like humbling thing of like, okay, it's not always gonna

29:40

work out, you know? But do you love it? Do

29:43

you care about it? Are you willing to keep working

29:45

it? And it's really cool

29:47

because that was eight years ago and

29:49

I'm still doing that, but it took a while

29:51

to grow it and it took a while to

29:53

do it, but I was confident and

29:56

what God was doing in my

29:58

life, confident. And I loved it. It was what gave

30:00

me life and was fun to do

30:02

and all those things and I felt purpose in doing

30:04

it. And so I love that you

30:06

guys stuck with it. I think influencers

30:09

is, it's a word in our generation that's

30:11

become like specific to a job title, right?

30:13

It's like, if you're an influencer, you have

30:15

a blue check mark and you do videos,

30:18

but I think influencing is so much bigger

30:20

than that. I think, you know, everyone is

30:22

an influencer in their own life because they

30:24

influence people. So I have a question for

30:26

y'all. As actual social

30:29

media influencers, what do

30:31

y'all hope your influence is on

30:33

people's life? Ooh,

30:36

really, really good question. Yeah,

30:40

I think about that a lot because like,

30:42

we get messages all the time from people

30:44

that are like, hey, I'm battling cancer and

30:46

your videos have like really helped me get

30:48

through this because they just bring in a

30:50

joy seeing your story, seeing you tell your story

30:52

and then make me laugh. And it's like, wow, that's

30:54

really cool. But like, to be honest, I never knew

30:56

that our videos were going to benefit

30:59

from that way. I

31:02

think we're still figuring it out. I think Abby

31:05

said answer might be different from mine, but I'm

31:07

still trying to figure out how like,

31:10

we got into this because we just, we love entertaining

31:12

and we think it's fun and we honestly

31:17

didn't expect for all this to happen, but I

31:20

really want to do a lot of good in

31:22

our world with our platform and we're

31:25

still figuring out what that exactly means. Like

31:28

how we're going to do that. I mean, something we've thought

31:30

about is doing a bigger

31:33

campaign for charities this year on our

31:35

podcast. Last year we did a fundraiser

31:37

for St. Jude, which was

31:39

really cool and was very successful for St.

31:41

Jude. But I

31:43

still want to make sure

31:45

that we're like really making

31:48

an impact with our content because there are

31:50

so many eyeballs on it and I don't

31:53

take that lightly. So that's

31:55

a very broad answer, but

31:58

I guess I just want to make. that makes

32:00

people laugh, that means something to

32:03

somebody, that makes them feel

32:05

something, and also can hopefully support

32:08

some charities along the way too. That's cool. That's

32:10

really cool. And I think the first step in like,

32:13

influencing in the way that you want to is

32:15

asking yourself the question, you know, because I think

32:17

it's so easy, like, sometimes followers come upon you

32:19

and you aren't really expecting it. And all of

32:21

a sudden, you're like, Whoa, I'm an influencer now.

32:23

And so then it's like, Okay, I'm going to

32:26

keep doing this and post these videos. But then

32:28

there's a point where you go, Okay, what is

32:30

all this for? Like, what am I doing and

32:32

making an impact? And I just want to say

32:34

from someone who follows you guys, I can say

32:36

a couple of things that y'all are doing and

32:38

influencing people really well. And it's y'all bring so

32:40

much joy to people's life. Like, anytime anyone's seen

32:42

your videos, they've smiled for sure. And so

32:44

y'all are influencing people to smile on their

32:47

day. Another thing is like,

32:49

y'all are so good at just being so

32:51

open about things that y'all go through and

32:53

things that y'all deal with. And so many

32:56

people are just looking for a friend to

32:58

give people advice. And I think you guys

33:00

are people's friends from afar who give great

33:02

advice and steer them in

33:05

a direction maybe they felt alone in. So

33:07

like, you know, even if you weren't even

33:09

thinking about those things, you really are doing

33:11

that because it's from the overflow of who

33:13

you are, you know, fame is such a weird thing. Fame

33:17

is doesn't change you, it

33:19

just elevates you, if you

33:21

will. And so who you are, before

33:24

you had the followers is going to be who you are with

33:26

the followers, it's just going to be seen by a lot more

33:28

people. So who y'all genuinely are has

33:30

overflowed into the following that you have. And

33:32

it's been a joy for people to get

33:34

to follow along. So just

33:36

encouragement from afar, you guys are influencing

33:38

people in such positive ways, whether you

33:41

intentionally thought about it or not, just

33:43

based off of who you are. But Abby, what do you

33:45

think? Thank you. First of

33:47

all, I was kind, so thank you.

33:50

And I think, yeah, kind of what

33:52

you brought up about that authenticity piece

33:54

is very, very, very important to the

33:56

both of us. And

33:59

I think I kind of like like we've been to my purpose

34:01

in this too is that, like

34:03

you said, there's a lot of people, especially

34:06

since we got going during COVID,

34:09

like it was very isolating time. And

34:11

so being able to share about harder

34:15

things, I was just telling Matt the other day, like more

34:17

often than not, when people say hi to me

34:19

in public, it's moms telling

34:23

me like, you really impacted

34:25

my life speaking about your

34:27

postpartum experience. I think

34:30

that is a specifically

34:32

really, can be

34:35

a very challenging time cause it is so

34:37

isolating your home with your baby. You got

34:39

these hormones, you have all these things. And

34:41

so other moms coming up and saying like,

34:43

wow, you talking about that? Like

34:45

really made me not feel alone. I wasn't able to

34:47

talk to people in my life but I felt shame

34:50

for the way I felt after having my baby, like

34:52

things like that. And which

34:55

is so funny cause like a lot of that stuff, I

34:58

was like, maybe I shouldn't be sharing, maybe

35:00

I'm over sharing because this is not like

35:02

a beautiful part of my life. I feel really

35:05

fresh and vulnerable. And I'm like, maybe this is

35:07

something I've all raised on. And

35:09

I'm so glad now

35:12

looking back that I didn't because

35:14

yes, it is so crazy to

35:16

be crying. I understand

35:18

that. But the way that it has

35:21

impacted other moms, it's made it all so worth

35:24

it for me. I'm like, I'll be the, I

35:26

don't have any pride. Like I'll like put

35:29

it out there if it can

35:31

have that effect on other moms. So that's been

35:33

a new sound purpose in this for

35:36

me. And I feel like every day as

35:38

we go through it, I'm like, wow, like

35:40

that is a new fulfilling part about this

35:42

job that

35:44

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37:57

That's so cool. I love that and I'm so glad you

37:59

shared because that is So real, I've

38:01

shared on this podcast my postpartum anxiety after

38:03

having honey and I just did not see

38:05

that coming. I did not know what that

38:07

was going to be like. And I had

38:09

just really struggled. And I'd tell a story

38:11

about me being in the fetal position in

38:13

the closet and crying Christian walking in being

38:15

like, are you okay? And I just was

38:17

like, shaking. I was like, I'm so scared.

38:20

And like, I don't know why, but I'm

38:22

just so scared. And so we did a

38:24

whole podcast on postpartum anxiety. And I even

38:26

had my counselor on here to talk to

38:28

talk me through it with people listening. I

38:30

obviously did pre counseling before that, but I

38:32

just wanted to help people like walk through

38:34

that. And I've had so many moms

38:36

say like, thank you so much. That was so helpful.

38:38

I needed that at that time. And so if we're

38:40

able to give people the resources to that or just

38:43

be a friend in that, like my whole thing is

38:45

like, I'm not, I don't look at

38:47

fame like fame. I look at it like I get to be a

38:49

sister and a friend to those who don't have one to a lot

38:51

more people than I would get to without this platform. And

38:53

if I can be a sister and a friend, which would

38:55

be like the most real relationship you have with someone, it's

38:57

the person you laugh with and cry with as the person

39:00

you dance with and you're just completely vulnerable with,

39:02

then like, what a gift to get to do

39:04

that and share that. Now there are obviously pieces

39:06

of your life that are private and just for

39:08

you and you got to find the boundary of

39:10

that for yourself. But if there is an opportunity

39:12

to get to open up that door and help

39:14

people through it, what you're going through, I think

39:16

it's just that is the gift of social media.

39:18

Like that is what makes it so special and

39:20

so cool. And I love

39:22

that you talked about, I saw you did your

39:24

race like right after, like three

39:26

months ago, which first of all,

39:29

rockstar, how cool. But

39:31

what I love about it too, is that there are parts

39:33

of the race and I'll let you share your

39:36

story and why you even chose to do that.

39:38

But I love that you share there are parts

39:40

of the race that you weren't able to do

39:42

because it was, it was like required to a

39:45

lot of strength that you didn't have at the

39:47

time, but that you still shared that part because

39:49

so many people want everything to be filtered and

39:51

perfect and like, look, I did it three months

39:53

first, but I crushed it. But you're like, I

39:55

did it and I messed up here and I

39:58

didn't do that there, but I finished it and

40:00

like that is just that's the best. that kind

40:02

of influence people need, not to see someone who's

40:04

perfectly filtered, but to see someone who's just like

40:06

gaining strength and growing as a person every day.

40:08

And so what made you decide because that is

40:11

crazy to do a race three months postpartum. I

40:14

feel like there's like an identity crisis that

40:17

I've gone through both times and time

40:19

babies looks like I have been pregnant

40:21

and it's been like my main personality

40:23

trait for nine months. Yeah. And everything,

40:26

every decision I have made has revolved

40:28

around this pregnancy. Every,

40:30

I constantly thinking about like, I

40:32

probably shouldn't do that right now. I'll do that

40:34

later. Like, and then it's like, once I got

40:37

cleared by my doctor to do like start

40:39

doing normal things again, like

40:41

non-pregnant things, I

40:43

was like, yeah, I love to go.

40:46

I'm ready, especially because I had back to

40:48

back pregnancies. I didn't have a glimpse of

40:50

that the first time around. It's,

40:52

I was like, it's been two years. Like, I

40:54

was just gearing up. And I'm

40:57

really thankful that I was able to

40:59

be active during my pregnancy, but my

41:02

boundaries were very, were

41:04

reminded to me every single time,

41:06

like every day I worked out and then I was

41:08

like, man, I gotta hold that. Yeah. And then I

41:10

was like, I just want to do this again and

41:13

know that I can and that, um,

41:15

I was like, Matt, please get

41:17

with me. I was trying

41:19

no face to Matt, but he was not

41:21

my first pick as a race partner. I

41:24

can't believe my dad, I was like, maybe it's

41:27

gonna be like a dad daughter bombing thing. But

41:29

I was like, no way I don't want to

41:31

do that. Who else? Oh, I asked my other

41:33

friend. I was like, she's out of town. Bing

41:36

it. Wait, why

41:38

was I not your

41:40

everything together? Like, I

41:42

was like, I feel like I just don't

41:45

know. So I think a lot of the motivation because I

41:47

did ask myself like, why do I have to do this?

41:49

I think it's because I was like, I just need to

41:51

do something like push

41:53

my limits because I haven't been able

41:55

to in so long. So it was

41:57

really, really fun. And honestly, like I

42:01

got some criticism for doing it, but I

42:03

was not... We're taking it as

42:05

slow as we can. Well, the people that were criticizing me,

42:07

they have no idea. Your doctor

42:09

would have 100%... You're

42:12

totally fine to do everything that you did. You did

42:14

not over-exert yourself. And Abby worked

42:16

out her whole pregnancy. So Abby's the one that

42:18

motivates me to go to the gym, talking about

42:20

interesting things. She influences me to go physically fix.

42:22

I'm like, my wife's going like six days a

42:24

week and I'm over here maybe doing three days.

42:26

I need to pick it up. That

42:29

was awesome. It was really fun to

42:31

get to celebrate my body in that

42:33

way. What all it's done and then

42:36

now what it can do still, despite

42:38

everything it had just done, carry

42:41

a child. So it

42:44

was a really rewarding day, for sure. Well,

42:46

I was very inspired. I was like, oh

42:48

shoot, okay, I need to do something. Actually,

42:50

Christian is definitely my inspiration for working out

42:53

because he is the six day a week

42:55

guy. I'm like,

42:57

man, I work out every day when I pick up my babies.

43:00

I am working out currently right now. And

43:03

so I'm always like, I'm just staying active. But it

43:05

was just funny because we were going over our New

43:07

Year's goals the other day and his

43:09

were very fitness based and mine were

43:11

very spiritual and personal based and

43:13

everything. And I didn't even have one fitness one.

43:15

And he was like, okay, can I add one

43:18

to your list? And I was like, yeah, hit

43:20

me. And he was like, you should try to

43:22

run a mile. I was like, oh my

43:24

gosh. Actually anything but that. I

43:27

know. I'm like, thanks a lot. Thank you. Because

43:29

I just don't even think like that. But I'm

43:31

like, okay, you're right. I can do this. And

43:34

then, of course, I wanted to give him a New

43:36

Year's resolution too. So I was like, if you can

43:38

give me one, I could. That's actually kind

43:40

of fun to give someone else a new resolution. It's

43:42

like, let me see your let me tell you your

43:45

blog spot. This is what you should work

43:47

on. I'll be honest. I probably start a fight.

43:49

I like that idea, though, because I feel like you

43:51

could vote. Like Abby was giving me her day to

43:53

set the solution. Hers were so different than mine. I'm

43:56

like Christian and like Christians were fitness. Mine were

43:58

business. like very, very

44:01

male, like typical male goals,

44:03

like business. We're huge. Jammy.

44:05

Like start a book club,

44:07

where cute jammy. And stuff

44:09

like that. That's so me.

44:11

Mine are just like fun. And I was like telling

44:13

him, I said, so here's my word of the year.

44:15

I was like, it's going to be stretch. And what

44:17

I mean by stretch is I'm going to get my

44:20

maximum use of my potential. All this stuff. And Christian's

44:22

like, I like that. I think my word will be

44:24

stretched too, but I think I'm like literally going to

44:26

just intentionally stretch every day. And I was like, okay,

44:28

well, that's good. That works for you. So

44:31

that's so funny. Take it where you will.

44:33

Yeah, take it where you will. It means

44:35

something different to everyone. That's hilarious. One

44:37

thing that you guys have kind of mentioned is

44:39

just getting criticism on social media, which is obviously

44:42

part of it. I

44:44

know y'all have had your fair share of going

44:46

through the storms when it comes to social

44:49

media. How do you bounce back? Like so many

44:51

people I think are scared to even take that

44:53

first step because they're scared of the criticism. And I

44:55

think that's just to be expected because it's part of

44:57

it. But how do you one brave it and do

44:59

it? And how do you two bounce back when it

45:02

happens? All

45:08

right, y'all. Y'all are here to keep me accountable.

45:10

Y'all were here whenever I said a couple of

45:12

years ago, my goal was to do one pull

45:14

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45:16

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45:18

I circle back to the pull up? I don't

45:20

know. And Christian was like, I got a new

45:22

goal for you. Run a mile. Now I know

45:24

just tell me all that doesn't seem hard, but

45:26

to me that seems like a mile seems like

45:28

a mile. Okay. It seems very long. So if

45:30

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45:32

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I think you're going to love it. It's

48:25

so interesting cause you have constantly

48:28

been thinking about this. And I think

48:30

our answer would be different at so

48:32

many different points in this career. For

48:36

me personally right now, I think

48:38

we also both handle criticism very

48:40

differently, honestly. Yeah. For

48:43

me where I'm at right now, I

48:45

am at feedback overload. And that

48:47

goes for the positive too. Like

48:50

I always say like, I should never be

48:52

praised nearly as much as I am. And

48:55

also of course, hate it sometimes.

48:58

So I'm just at like feedback

49:00

overload and I've had

49:02

to prioritize what's most important to me because I

49:04

feel like everything is like a trade off. Like

49:06

if I'm sitting here consuming

49:09

the feedback constantly and like

49:11

filtering it and changing things,

49:13

I have one loose to

49:15

my authenticity because I'm adjusting

49:18

based off of what they're saying. But also I'm

49:20

like missing out on time with my kids I

49:23

could have or I don't know, a little extra

49:25

time to sleep even like things like that. I

49:28

just am not willing to make that trade off anymore.

49:30

So now I just, I really don't reach anything.

49:34

Abby deleted TikTok this year. Hey,

49:37

that's awesome. Doesn't even have TikTok

49:39

on her phone. I think for me for long

49:41

term, I think it had to come to that point where I

49:43

was like, this is not sustainable

49:45

for me personally. Yeah. Like

49:47

I was never built for this. And

49:49

so I'm no longer gonna put myself

49:52

under that. I think kind of like you said Sadie, you

49:56

were mentioning earlier how when like, once one

49:58

becomes an influencer, it just. I

50:01

don't know, it expands the person that

50:03

they are already. It only like makes the

50:05

good things and bad things about them bigger,

50:07

I guess. And I feel like that's true

50:09

also for communities online. So any

50:11

praise, like you get way more praise than you

50:13

deserve for doing something good and you get way

50:15

more hate for something bad that you do. Or

50:18

even if you're misunderstood, then like people will hate

50:20

you if they misunderstand you and then that will

50:22

be a lot bigger than it

50:25

would in real life. So I think it's just

50:27

like everything's very... Everything's

50:31

multiplied all day. Yeah. Yeah.

50:34

So I don't know. I think like I'm

50:37

still figuring out how to handle that.

50:39

It's weird because I've

50:41

noticed like everybody wants

50:43

to get to a certain point, gets some

50:46

sort of hate or has people that like

50:48

don't like them, which just thinks it doesn't

50:50

feel good to be misunderstood. But

50:53

I think I like remind myself whenever I see like

50:55

a mean comment like, Hey, that person just doesn't know

50:57

me and I have to be okay with people. I

50:59

have to be okay with people not really knowing who

51:01

I am. Yeah. And it's okay

51:03

for people to be wrong about me. I have a

51:06

lot of confidence that the people that

51:08

literally watch everything that we put out

51:10

there have a very, very

51:12

good understanding of us as people. And

51:16

so that I'm like,

51:18

okay, I feel safe around those people.

51:20

Always win like a short video that has had a

51:23

lot of eyes, but that hasn't seen anything else from

51:25

us. That's things like, I

51:27

don't know, get really crazy. But

51:30

I think that's reminded us the importance. I

51:32

think a shared goal, speaking of resolutions, is

51:34

your shared goal for ours is just

51:36

like community in general

51:39

and specifically in person

51:41

community, because those are the people

51:43

that I'm like, I want feedback

51:45

from you because you're seeing me, you

51:47

know, not just when I'm like on

51:49

camera, ready to film or things like

51:51

that. And that's where it's

51:54

really important for me. Yes, that's the feedback that

51:56

actually matters. And that's, that's really the only one

51:58

that matters to people that are interested. your

52:00

life daily. That's going to create who you really

52:02

are and make you the best version of you.

52:04

And then again, that overflow of you is going

52:07

to be what you share online. And I get

52:09

that last year I spent eight months off Instagram,

52:12

didn't have any social media on my phone. I

52:14

deleted it in January, which I used to always

52:16

delete Instagram in January just to like take it

52:18

off. I was just really like the only social

52:20

media I really run myself. And

52:23

I'm like, my friends help me run my

52:26

other accounts and whatnot, just because it just

52:28

is a lot. And so anyways, but I

52:30

run my Instagram and so I deleted it.

52:32

And I was going to get back in

52:34

February and I just knew it wasn't time

52:36

yet. Like I, I guess so

52:39

much was revealed to me during that first month

52:41

of things that I didn't even know I struggled

52:43

with when it came to social media, like fears

52:45

that I had and thoughts that I had and

52:47

value things that I felt in myself. I

52:49

was just like, this is not it.

52:52

This is not worth it. So I just

52:54

like took another month off and that ended

52:56

up not downloading it back to August. And

52:58

it was just so good for my life

53:00

because I realized like my day was truly

53:02

defined by like what my day was, you

53:04

know, like what was actually in front of

53:06

me, not just like on my phone or

53:08

distracted by my phone. And it just gave

53:10

me like a totally new lens, made me

53:12

so much more present with my family, my

53:14

kids. It made me again, just like affirm

53:17

who I am, who I know that I

53:19

am. So that when I did return, I

53:21

could return with so much more confidence and

53:23

everything. And I think there's one feature I

53:25

really don't like on social media. And it's

53:28

kind of speaks to the amplified thing. And

53:30

it's now that, you know, comments can be

53:32

liked, because I think you see

53:34

when you got like a bad comment, it

53:36

would hurt, but you'd be like, Oh, that

53:39

person, they're, they're crazy. Or they don't know

53:41

me or they're rude. But then when you

53:43

see that comment gets so many likes, and

53:45

you're like, wow, it was affirmed by that

53:47

many people. Then you're like, Oh, well, do

53:49

people, does everybody think that? And then like,

53:52

you start questioning yourself, because it's no longer

53:54

just this one person who made this inappropriate

53:56

comment. It's like, other people agree. And so I

53:58

think I can really mess with your head. So I think

54:00

I just had to step back and be like, who

54:02

do I know I am? Who

54:04

am I with my family, with my

54:07

present? And just like step back in

54:09

and get fresh perspective. And man,

54:11

I've come back with just a

54:13

whole new confidence and just strength and who I

54:15

am and what I'm doing. And I never steered

54:17

away from who I was, but it was just

54:19

like internally starting to really hurt me more than

54:21

it should and make me question more than it

54:23

should. And so I love that you're taking that

54:25

break. I think that is like so wise and

54:28

so neat. And I think so many influencers get

54:30

in that trap of like, oh, well, if I

54:32

take the break, what if I come back and

54:34

I'm not relevant? Or what if it messes up

54:36

my algorithm? You just go through the thing, it's

54:38

like, it's not worth it. It's not worth it.

54:40

It's like, what do I value the most? What's

54:42

most important in my life? And it's the people right

54:44

in front of me and how you lead your family

54:46

and how you lead your life. And

54:48

so this is so good. It's so,

54:50

so healthy. Y'all are awesome.

54:53

I can so relate though to the comment thing, because yeah,

54:55

if you get one comment, it's like, oh, like even if

54:57

it's mean, it's like, well, that's just one person. But then

54:59

if it has like 50,000 likes, then

55:02

you're like, wow, 50,000 for my guts. And

55:04

like, like this comment, because they dislike me

55:07

that much and that hurts. And

55:09

that's even like why, like I've been on

55:11

this new journey with being creative and wanting

55:13

to have a new creative outlet. I've started

55:15

releasing music because I've always been a singer

55:17

and songwriter and I'm just like finally releasing

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that. And I've had some videos where people

55:22

say some like, really mean things about my music, which I get

55:24

it. Like not everybody needs to like my

55:26

music, but it's just,

55:28

it sucks when you see a mean comment

55:30

that can like hurt you personally. So that's

55:32

something where I like, I decided for a

55:34

little bit, I didn't even like read comments

55:36

on anything I've released related my music. That

55:39

way I just like protected my mental health.

55:41

Yeah, yeah. And cause you're like, I

55:43

love what I'm doing. I want to keep doing

55:45

it. So again, like if you let that into

55:47

it, it can change like your authenticity and what

55:49

you're doing. Gosh, it's so, it's so true and

55:51

so real. And so many people, I think like

55:53

faces and struggle with it, but they just keep

55:55

powering through to this part of it. But no,

55:57

that's not normal. Don't let that become normal. what

56:00

y'all are saying is so true. Like you don't need

56:02

too much praise and you don't need too much hate.

56:04

Like you don't need any of it. If you get

56:07

too much praise, you get the big head. If you

56:09

get too much hate, you feel like you're nothing. And

56:11

so it's like, okay, I just need to stop listening

56:13

to what everybody says I am. I need to remind

56:15

myself of who I know I am and live from

56:17

that space. And I remember, you know, so I've been,

56:20

Doug Yanksy started when I was 14 years old. So

56:22

I've been like the public guy since I was 14 and 26 now. So

56:26

I think I've just like learned a lot along

56:28

the way, but also times have changed so much.

56:30

And it's so true that you're really always gonna be

56:32

learning. And right when

56:34

you think, I got it, you know, doing good, you

56:36

know, something else comes in a different way and you

56:38

just learn as you go and you adjust as you

56:41

go and things don't have to be permanent decisions. Then

56:43

you can just be for the right now. And again,

56:45

it's all part of that process. But

56:47

I know we are running out of time,

56:49

but you guys are so encouraging. Y'all are

56:51

so inspiring and all the things that y'all

56:54

do. And it's such a joy to follow

56:56

along. I can't wait to keep following along

56:59

and see all the funny things that you guys get into. And

57:01

just doing everything together as this week

57:03

couple of y'all are. So thanks for

57:05

being on this podcast and encouraging so

57:08

many people and making people laugh and

57:10

being influencers worth following. I really appreciate

57:12

it. Yeah, well, thank you so

57:14

much for having us. As a listener myself, it's

57:16

really cool to have this opportunity. So I thank

57:19

you and- Yeah, thank you. It's been

57:21

a joy speaking to you and we've had a

57:23

lot of fun. So yeah, thanks for having us

57:25

on. Y'all are awesome.