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don't want to be rigid, you wanted to rot.

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I know, what is. It was like we're we're

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on the cruise, Like you're you're laying in the

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feeling. I know those back and forth moink Is

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that a true and within a rollover? That's what

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I always think we can as. Are. We

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not here. He is we self know what

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to today I can't remember I wouldn't have

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remembered that and for you said it by

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got you babe. And. I

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am. I am ready to do. The

4:00

Show and as it turns out of, this is

4:02

right up your alley because. You

4:05

may remember if we talked about last week Phil

4:07

Spencer felt compelled. To. Explain

4:09

what's going on us with x

4:11

box. My. Favorite part about

4:13

this event which was last Thursday. Was.

4:16

That He literally started by saying when we

4:18

were planning this back in December, all we

4:20

were going to talk about was what we

4:22

were doing as Activision Blizzard. And I

4:24

could feel the little bell go off. You know,

4:27

ding ding ding you on that, you know? And

4:29

or that was what? That was my kind of

4:31

expectation. But because of all the rumors about. Your.

4:34

Cross platform and everything. They

4:37

felt compelled to talk about that suffers.

4:39

But when I when I looked at

4:41

this. Time. I

4:45

don't think type solvent important frankly I'm

4:48

that will get to it but. A

4:51

lot of it was just a reiteration of

4:53

strategy that has been in place for a

4:55

long time. I know there was a of

4:58

Bankston Callahan rings get over the past week

5:00

or two. I hope everyone feels better right?

5:02

because I think this went great and I

5:04

think. They're. Doing the right

5:06

saying. I'm unfortunately they

5:08

are being vague on the specifics

5:11

of Activision Blizzard because. We.

5:13

Know now that the first of those games will

5:15

appear on Game Pass on March twenty Fourth, which

5:18

is seriously my story worth. And

5:20

then we don't know anything beyond that. So does that

5:22

mean we get like one game a week? or at

5:24

your own? Us we have been. I. I.

5:27

Suppose it's understandable they want to milk this.

5:31

Spend the rest the year. Oh he's a new one is a

5:33

new and you know, so prevalent of that. But.

5:36

They reiterated some things and and kind

5:38

of confirmed that the they apply to.

5:41

Ah, Activision Blizzard, which I think is

5:44

important. So for example, all first party

5:46

X box games will appear on Game

5:48

Pass on day one. and that does

5:50

include Activision Blizzard, and Cinemax and everything

5:53

else they on, right? So to me,

5:55

that's. That's importance or

5:57

I would have understood if that was.

6:00

The case I think. They.

6:02

Might have complicated matters. otherwise. you'd imagine

6:04

a situation where, say, the next call

6:06

of duty was. Purchase.

6:08

Only for the first month or two. I mean, I

6:10

think a lot of Can Pass fans might have revolted

6:12

over that kind of a think. It's

6:15

because of the cross platform rumors and

6:17

also some of the realities their. They

6:20

dropped this kind of a bomb or call

6:23

it us Game pass will only be available

6:25

on x box right now. We.

6:28

Can be careful but what that means because. What?

6:30

Is this what is X Box and what

6:33

is X box? Right arm. As

6:35

for lot of people, X box is

6:38

the console but that's not what X

6:40

boxes right? X boxes this platform this

6:42

ecosystem so we have game pass on.

6:45

The Pc but that's considered x box

6:47

right? So I think that this is

6:49

a. A

6:51

Moving Target And I think that this might have

6:54

all to include other platforms in the form of

6:56

such things as. A game has mobile

6:58

that may appear on I O S. If

7:00

they can ever get their act together there

7:02

is a maybe you're only will sail Those

7:04

things evolve. And

7:06

I don't think it precludes again past

7:08

coming to L cancels, frankly, because. Of

7:11

this is the whole mantra like we're going

7:13

to be gamers where they are so we'll

7:15

see but at that's ten Aware that an.

7:19

Exclusivity. It's been a long thing. I

7:21

mean, Ever.

7:24

Since there's been a. Pc Play. In

7:26

the most recent era we've been

7:28

concerned about what it means to

7:30

be exclusive Sony obvious as exclusives,

7:32

the doing a great job can

7:34

hurt X Box. We.

7:37

Have x box exclusives the Microsoft space

7:39

but the in there it's exports ecosystem.

7:43

He explained a lot of things and I

7:45

wish didn't need explaining. I'd written about this

7:47

myself when I saw all of the eggs

7:49

and everything about people are benefiting no matter

7:51

what platform they plan. When games are more

7:54

places right your people to play with people

7:56

to play against the your audience the center.

7:58

It's better for Craters Puppy. That make the

8:00

games. Are. More players sutter said

8:02

are exorbitant. this is. It's not

8:04

really new, but it's. Yeah. It's

8:07

I feel it's people need to have it kind of

8:09

drilled into their had a little bit. Of

8:12

her fans of. Windows, Will

8:14

appreciate this kind of variation on the

8:16

windows. Only. Windows First When does

8:18

best strategies of the past. They.

8:21

Try to push this notion that a

8:24

the knocking on a hardware ah be

8:26

that as possible. Always offer the best

8:28

experience on exports hardware. And they actually

8:30

talked a little bit about Nextgen hardware.

8:32

Now we know there are refreshes coming

8:34

right to the current tonsils, but what

8:36

they're talking about here is the next

8:39

gender thing that comes later. And are

8:41

they referred to this as. The.

8:43

Largest tactical leap you have ever seen

8:45

in a hardware generation of them alone.

8:48

I now I Now that was a

8:50

little hard to accept I I had

8:52

only been running out of superlative us

8:54

in a case like that. It's like

8:56

okay to save some for something right?

8:58

So him So. Look, even

9:01

the nice thing about as dame and as she

9:03

could the could mean anything right? So for example,

9:05

If. Microsoft. Most are. right?

9:07

Which is one of the the rumors by number of

9:09

rumor that was one of the leaks well as possibility.

9:12

If. Microsoft moves to arm and or.

9:15

And pew hardware in this thing. I

9:17

mean, you could argue that this means

9:19

that definition. And

9:22

he has the games we

9:24

have very. Standard.

9:27

Concerns which we've had for a long,

9:29

long time and it always kind of

9:31

boils down to resolution in frame rate

9:33

frankly, and intercourse latency if you're playing

9:35

on line and things like ray tracing

9:38

i guess what's called quality? A Quality

9:40

graphics. I think we hit

9:42

a wall. Not just an X box

9:44

but some gaming with. Hyper.

9:46

Realistic graphics and the need to

9:48

have. A. Hollywood style movie

9:51

production budget to make these games

9:53

and that may be Nintendo's They

9:55

could teach us anything is an

9:57

industry is that you know the

9:59

game. There's a lot maybe focus on

10:01

at first and that we kind of naval

10:03

gaze over these little speck things, but it's

10:06

only for gonna ha sixty for the next

10:08

generate that. that would be a huge technically,

10:10

but I don't think we need it. And.

10:13

I don't think it's gonna happen either, so.

10:16

It's hard to say what they meant by that

10:18

because that sense I read was the whole thing

10:20

they said about a setup is not a to

10:22

details. I do

10:24

like they talked a lot about what

10:26

they call game library preservation. This is

10:29

the X Box backward compatibility stuff. This

10:31

notion that if you. Buy.

10:33

A game digitally especially. They try to figure

10:36

a physical weren't able to do happy by

10:38

game digitally and it comes forward with the

10:40

right. And one of the things that came

10:42

out after the show was this notion that

10:44

this stuff is all gonna probably end up

10:46

on game streaming. Live

10:49

Streaming meaning that if you have this library

10:51

game set. Goes back partly or

10:53

possibly the oh gee x boss or

10:55

you'll be able to play these things

10:57

in the future. So the some way

10:59

forward view as Next Bucks fan I

11:01

think that's hugely important. Obviously they didn't

11:03

get into specifics about the next and

11:06

there are. Issues. With

11:08

compatibility when you switch chipsets, right? We

11:10

went from. And Intel Celeron

11:12

in the first shunned Powerpc back to

11:14

and I am the X eighty Six

11:16

type chip in the two most recent

11:18

generations. It's. Almost certainly

11:20

going to change again and that then

11:22

there are challenges they're obviously but he

11:25

other big on a cross play crosshairs,

11:27

cross progression, backward compatibility, the hotel a

11:29

notion of. What makes

11:31

X Box unique and special I think is.

11:34

Is awesome! So. Then.

11:37

They are not then actually now I will send

11:39

their sleep but the sub front because of all

11:41

the speculation and I didn't like the way they

11:43

did this they were forced to read there weren't

11:46

ready to say this for basically what they. Admitted.

11:49

At the time right up the show was that

11:51

they are gonna bring four games. To.

11:53

Other consoles was have a described it.

11:56

Not. A big change in this strategy.

11:58

Nada anything about. Whatever it is, you

12:01

know, But they did. They didn't say what those

12:03

games were. And. Of the idea

12:05

was that the studios in charge of them were.

12:08

Getting. Raids make their own announcements. He did

12:10

say don't Spencer did say neither of those

12:12

was Star Field or any other jones, right?

12:15

But he also gave his kind of interesting

12:17

hints about the types of games rights. The

12:19

these aren't the big franchise games. I guess

12:21

if you said I'm gonna bring four games

12:23

on the exports stable cross platform that are

12:26

not today crossbar from I would have said

12:28

Halo, Gears of War, Flight Sim. The

12:30

before as game, that kind of thing, Now. These

12:33

a smaller games. These are games that

12:35

they looked at and said you know

12:37

that does a server space component to

12:39

this or communities love these games If

12:41

smaller typically. They. Are they were

12:43

never really meant to be platform exclusives in

12:45

a. And their

12:47

games we the X box felt

12:50

deserved more of a chance. To.

12:52

Kind of get out in the world bow today just

12:54

before the show started. They. Just announced those

12:57

games where psychoanalysis because I guess six days was

12:59

enough. And those games or Sea of Thieves right

13:01

which was one of the ones I have guessed.

13:04

After that fact ah, hi fi rush

13:06

which I've never really been hurt us

13:08

grounded and Pencil Manson sentiment is am. I'm

13:10

actually pretty smooth. So. I

13:13

had that would is I guess I had cast

13:15

Miss Magazine this. I guess knowing that

13:17

it wasn't for the halo, etc. just sea

13:20

of thieves and me beat as dusk false

13:22

but those are the for them. So they

13:24

came out today and said that that. So

13:26

what's happening and they're coming to Sony and

13:28

Nintendo right? Although not all the money, each

13:30

and obviously we have to have a confusing

13:33

matrix of availability because as we do. Any

13:36

hope? I hope that's. Other

13:40

than kind of them some of the

13:42

bag seven patients you know that that

13:44

the biggest technically grit were ever seen

13:46

in a hard regeneration. Hilarious. And.

13:51

I don't know. You know, we don't

13:53

know when actually Activision Blizzard of sounds

13:55

like even talk. They've been talking about

13:57

this internally since December. And. The

13:59

only. The a Rebel announced three months later

14:01

was. The Ah blow for in March

14:03

twenty fourth. Like guys, come on like we need.

14:05

I'm not saying it's only have a schedule, but

14:07

there must be an idea. Of. Harvest

14:10

at the Sky. C'mon So it's done within

14:12

his. Idea will have

14:14

more x boxes of the. As.

14:16

We always do, but I wanted to throw this one up front

14:19

because. This was kind of

14:21

a day of destiny for X box fans

14:23

anyway, and. As they reiterated a bunch

14:25

of times, I don't. I

14:28

don't see much has changed from a

14:30

strategy perspective, it's just that now they

14:32

have an incredible stable first party games.

14:36

They. Were at least able to. I'm. To.

14:38

Verify that all the first party stuff would continue

14:40

to be available and game past Sunday when we

14:42

sneak some whenever the next cause you to come

14:44

zone. I guess would at

14:46

that I gave us we'll see but the sales would like

14:48

the probably I just i am guessing says that against ourselves.

14:50

We gotta go up and color do the cells are going

14:52

to go down. To

14:55

the Microsoft given up on trying to

14:57

bps five. With. That he

14:59

acts. Yeah, they know their to. I didn't hear

15:01

subs gonna win. And so might

15:03

as well put their stuff on T S Five. I.

15:06

Was surprised how and static they

15:08

were. that X box doesn't exist

15:11

without them on some. Of

15:14

my sight. Interesting point. You're right. I.

15:16

Think it's it's one of those

15:19

marketing things, right? you? You can't

15:21

osborne the platform right and. There's

15:23

no. I mean there's no way that the

15:26

long term strategy is. Less. And

15:28

less reliance on the console or the one

15:30

argument I could make to keeping the stuff

15:32

afloat. although it's super expensive to do the

15:34

or indian everything is that now that they

15:37

have all these Activision Blizzard games and something

15:39

that can. Subsidize. Of

15:41

center And I mean right. This is

15:43

the thing they didn't have before and Microsoft

15:45

as you know inside the line he sings

15:47

up. But they've launched new console without a

15:49

new Halo title a day when like that's

15:52

to me, those things should always be aligned

15:54

and because really have a handful of. Expose.

15:56

populate first party games right now they

15:59

have more A lot more. A

16:01

lot more. And maybe it doesn't matter. Yeah.

16:04

So, I mean, but they did say we're going to make another

16:06

console, we're going to make another one, it's going to be the

16:08

best one ever. Of course it is. They're

16:10

still involved in hardware even though it's a money

16:12

loser for them, right? The

16:14

games are. The games are. Software

16:17

is not. Or is it? So,

16:19

one thing I... So, I've been reading Stephen

16:21

Snafce's book. And I

16:23

can't... There's

16:26

no jokes to be made here that are in any way

16:28

polite. So, I'll just say... I'm trying to

16:30

think how do I say this. Oh, no people

16:32

like, why bother? No, well, I'm thinking more.

16:35

I mean, even more from sort of a personal

16:37

perspective. There's no doubt that I experienced

16:39

some form of PTSD from this guy and the shabby

16:42

way he treated people like Mary Jo and I.

16:46

I studiously avoided this book for a variety of

16:48

reasons because I didn't want to relive it again,

16:50

you know? But then, you

16:53

know, I think maybe I talked about this last week. I'm sorry,

16:55

I'm repeating myself. But the...

16:57

Yeah, look, if you care about Windows as much as

16:59

I do, I mean, you have to. You have to.

17:02

You have to. So, I read it and I've got

17:04

Tourette's over there. I'm screaming at nobody and, you know,

17:06

as I'm reading it and all the mistruths and the

17:09

bizarre interpretations of events. But he was inside Microsoft. Anyway,

17:11

one of the things... And there are these little facts

17:13

that kind of come out. He talks about, you know,

17:15

he's verified a lot of the stuff I've said about

17:18

Microsoft continually fighting the web as a

17:20

platform and losing. And

17:22

they knew that so long

17:24

ago. And they just kept going. And

17:28

he saw that as a huge mistake. So, I actually,

17:30

I mean, I certainly agree with him on some things.

17:32

Anyway, one of the little tidbits that he came out

17:34

with was that Xbox

17:36

has never made money and

17:39

if it wasn't for the

17:41

console, it's sort of a break-even

17:43

business, the way he described it.

17:46

So, you know, if it

17:48

was just software, it would probably be doing

17:51

pretty well. And obviously these days with just

17:53

software, with Activision, Blizzard, Zenimax, etc., that's

17:56

a pretty solid business right there, you know. So,

17:58

yeah. own hardware at all?

18:00

I mean, is it just right? I believe

18:02

that, yeah, no, I think it honestly

18:05

has to do more with fans. And

18:07

just based on my own interaction

18:09

with people who just, there are

18:11

certain kind of religious topics in

18:13

our industry. The Chromium web

18:16

renderer is one where people just, I mean,

18:18

they line up and they just, they don't

18:20

listen, no one's seeing both sides

18:22

of it. And, you know, arguably

18:25

the certification stuff, well, that's, I think most

18:27

people kind of agree with that. But there

18:29

are these things where people just kind of,

18:31

you know, walled garden

18:33

ecosystems versus open ecosystems. And people feel very

18:35

strongly about one side or the other. And

18:37

they have a hard time seeing the other

18:40

side of it. I think in the Xbox

18:42

world, gamers, console

18:44

players, Xbox

18:46

is not a thing unless there's a console, you

18:48

know? And whether

18:51

Microsoft internally believes that to be true or not,

18:53

I don't think they do. I do

18:55

think they believe that enough people would leave if

18:58

they announced today, we're not doing any more

19:01

consoles. I think the business might start to

19:03

tank just because so many

19:05

people would walk away. So

19:09

I think they need time to show people

19:11

how, you know, they'll become a day, some

19:13

day where you'll be able to stream your

19:15

entire Xbox library of games from

19:17

the past onto a PlayStation

19:20

probably, you know? And it will be an

19:22

eye opening moment for people where they realize

19:24

that the platform that they thought was a

19:26

piece of hardware, which is very explicit was

19:29

not, is not. It's the

19:31

other thing, you know? It's

19:34

weird for me when you say Xbox and

19:37

I'm including the hardware, like there's something to

19:39

stand, but there is, and that's, I think,

19:41

an important context. Is Bill

19:43

Spencer is quoted in the Financial Times this

19:45

morning complaining about

19:48

Apple and... We're

19:51

going to get to this. So I'm

19:53

just wondering, Sony

19:56

charges Microsoft 30%, right? When they sell, when

19:58

you buy a game on... PS5. I

20:01

would think so, yeah. And vice-versa.

20:04

But that's pretty much the flow is

20:06

mostly towards Sony on that. Yeah.

20:09

But so the argument there, of

20:11

course, is what

20:13

kind of a hypocrite do you have to

20:15

be to complain to the European regulators that

20:17

some platform is charging you 30% when that's

20:19

what you charge. And the

20:21

reason that's not hypocritical is that

20:23

antitrust requires scale. And

20:26

there are 20 to 50 million Xbox consoles

20:28

in active use. There are 60 to 100

20:32

million PlayStation consoles in active use.

20:34

There are 2 billion iPhones in active use. So

20:37

whatever the number is, it's billions. It's an

20:39

order of magnitude bigger. And

20:41

that's when antitrust kicks in. The

20:44

other thing is that the business model for the

20:46

iPhone is not contingent on

20:48

we sell this hardware to loss, and

20:51

then we make it up to you with the razor blades. That's

20:54

how the console market, which is a

20:56

much smaller market, works. It's kind of

20:58

an implicit contract. I mean, if

21:01

we sold this thing for what it costs, no one would

21:03

buy it. But

21:05

it sounds like Microsoft's content, at least

21:08

in the game sphere, to give Sony

21:11

30% more and more. I

21:13

mean, if they didn't have any hardware, that would be all

21:15

one way. Well, right. So

21:17

think about the different kind of

21:20

parts of that puzzle, right? So you're Microsoft,

21:22

we are Xbox, which, again, a lot of

21:24

people see as a console that's competing with

21:26

the Sony console. Xbox is

21:28

a much bigger thing than that. And the console not only

21:30

is, in many ways, the smallest piece

21:32

of that puzzle, it's the part that loses money.

21:34

It's the part that drags on everything else. If

21:37

it wasn't for that, this business would be incredibly

21:40

profitable, right? So their

21:43

deal is like, look, this will benefit our

21:45

console gamers because now they'll have these people, they

21:47

can play with a much wider audience because they'll be

21:49

cross-platformed. They give the games. We,

21:52

as a publisher, can spread this game further.

21:54

And even though we are taking a 30%

21:56

hit on Sony or in

22:00

Nintendo, whatever those fees are, it's

22:02

still more profitable than a console. It

22:05

sells at such volume compared

22:08

to consoles and potentially. And

22:11

it's so much less expensive to make. The

22:15

whole cost structure of this is just a completely

22:17

different thing. So yeah,

22:20

they've done some gymnastics here to understand what

22:22

they're going to bring where and what. Look,

22:25

there's a lot of things you can't come out

22:28

and say too early in a cycle and ruin

22:30

the sales of the thing you're already making. Right. So I

22:33

don't think anyone should doubt that they would like to get rid

22:35

of the hardware long term, but realize they can't. I

22:38

don't think anyone should doubt the fact that this is

22:40

an experiment that if it

22:42

goes, well, we're going to see more games. Right. I mean,

22:44

of course. And

22:47

I think they want to

22:49

focus more on the high volume,

22:52

lower margin products and services

22:54

in Xbox than the

22:56

low margin money losing hardware, which

22:59

is something we see elsewhere at

23:01

Microsoft. Right. But surf is in Windows and so

23:03

forth. So it's. You

23:07

can't just say we're done with hardware. You

23:10

can't just say we're done with only putting games on

23:12

the console. But

23:14

you make a little inroads

23:16

and we'll see what happens. Well,

23:19

they're obviously investing. I mean, it must cost

23:21

billions to do the R&D to develop. Yeah,

23:24

really a generation. I know. I know. Right.

23:27

Well, especially if it's going to be a leap

23:29

you've ever seen. But technically, I think the leap

23:31

of this kind. Do you think they might be

23:33

looking at Vision Pro and saying, hey, what if

23:36

we did it as a VR

23:38

thing? No,

23:41

I don't. And they're done.

23:44

Well, yeah, I mean, mixed

23:46

reality failed for

23:49

Microsoft. HoloLens has failed

23:51

other than as a very vertical device.

23:54

Apparently, it's part of the military industrial

23:56

complex now. In

23:59

fact, Windows makes sure. reality is coming out of

24:01

Windows in 24H2, so it's not even going

24:03

to be there anymore. Wow, that's amazing. Microsoft

24:06

does support Vision Pro and

24:08

Metacrest with its productivity stuff.

24:11

Right. You know, Microsoft 365 and

24:13

so forth, but it's

24:15

weird. When PlayStation did a pretty

24:18

good job over two generations with VR hardware,

24:20

I think the most

24:22

recent gen got

24:24

hurt by COD. It was expensive, but Microsoft

24:28

never bothered. Again, I think it... Well,

24:31

hardware margins, we've always lost money on

24:33

hardware. The relative volume

24:36

of these things is low. They had

24:38

their big splash with Kinect, which

24:40

for 10 seconds was awesome and

24:42

then became a nightmare. Still

24:44

positive. And then they made that mistake of bundling

24:47

it. I think that

24:49

kind of thing is... I

24:51

think a sour taste from it. Yeah,

24:53

and by the way, whatever it's worth, I mean, the

24:56

Kinect and the little me people that we

24:58

had for a little while as our avatars

25:00

in Xbox space was obviously based on the

25:02

Nintendo Wii at the time. And they had

25:04

those little weird controllers in them chuck something

25:06

she could... People were thrown at their

25:09

screens by mistake. They

25:11

tried to emulate that. It's worth pointing out,

25:13

Nintendo walked away from that too, by the

25:15

way, right? The Switch doesn't have

25:17

anything like that. So... They

25:20

didn't make another Wii U, you're right. I'm

25:22

not trying to be a jerk to gamers like

25:25

myself, but we're not exactly active. It's

25:27

a weird... You don't really want to get

25:29

up. It's a weird... I

25:31

have to say, it's a weird category. It's such a

25:33

niche, really. And

25:36

in a way, Microsoft cannibalizes their own

25:38

PC market by being a good gaming

25:40

machine. I mean, maybe

25:43

they feel like, well, there's people who aren't going to do

25:45

PC gaming and we want to capture them. But

25:47

really, the people who don't do PC gaming probably

25:50

don't do console gaming either. They probably do casual

25:53

gaming. And Microsoft

25:55

has no position there. Well, I guess they do now that

25:57

they own King, but... You

25:59

know. But there's no, there's

26:02

no Microsoft play anymore. There was a

26:04

brief one with Windows mixed reality. Although

26:06

I couldn't point to a single first

26:08

party game that supported that, right? That

26:11

was a good example of them throwing something out in the

26:14

world and seeing what happened and what happened was nothing. So,

26:17

you know, they weren't behind it 100% because

26:21

there weren't any Microsoft apps of anything other than

26:23

the basics. Like look, you can look at a

26:25

web browser and a 2D, you know, panel on

26:28

the wall. How cool. That kind of

26:30

stuff. Or here's your Zoom or whatever we had at

26:32

the time, music collection like needs, you know. I

26:35

just, I don't know what to say. I don't know. I just don't

26:37

see it being a

26:39

thing for them. So interesting. Yeah.

26:43

It's weird that they would come out and say

26:45

the largest technical leap you've ever seen. No, no,

26:47

no. What is that? I

26:49

like, I like companies to be bold, you

26:52

know, but then they fall into caricature like

26:54

the courage statement that Apple made. Yeah, that

26:56

was bad. Mac Pro, that was his dumb

26:58

miscalculation. That was dumb. Yeah. Yeah. In the

27:01

Windows space, we had Terry Morrison claiming they

27:03

were going to hit a billion Windows 10

27:05

users within, I think this is two to

27:07

three years. And then within 10 seconds, they

27:10

realized, oh, we get a scullus back. That's

27:12

not going to happen. Like, you know, it's.

27:15

And then you get into a situation where they kind of cook

27:17

the books for several months to try to make it work, you

27:19

know. So we'll see

27:21

what that means. Yeah. I don't know what

27:24

to say. It's delightfully vague. So

27:26

I don't know. That

27:28

could be the show title, the Lightfully Vague. The Lightfully

27:30

Vague. If I think we might have used it, I

27:32

don't know. Probably.

27:35

We still have much more to talk about including

27:37

Windows 11, but let's take a little break here.

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27:46

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27:50

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27:52

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27:55

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30:39

11 news. Yes.

30:42

So Microsoft's new thing is to always release

30:44

insider builds right after we do Windows Weekly,

30:46

which I find to be hilarious. I try

30:49

not to take it personally. It's

30:53

kind of hard sometimes. People

30:57

who've been watching the show for a while or reading the

30:59

site will remember that there used to be this event

31:02

that would occur right before every new version

31:04

of Windows was released that I referred to

31:06

as the magic window. It

31:08

was that time when you could switch out

31:10

of the insider program and go back. Right.

31:13

Because back in the day, each channel,

31:17

a ring as we used to call them a long time

31:19

ago, corresponded to some

31:21

version of Windows. Now it's

31:23

this mess of who knows what, what's

31:26

what. And the weird thing about that

31:28

to me is that there's UI in Windows.

31:30

If you go into the Windows update settings

31:32

and advanced, I think, or whatever

31:35

it is down there, this is

31:37

the Windows insider. The UI is

31:39

still in Windows. It says, click here and you'll

31:41

get out when this version of Windows is released.

31:43

The problem is that version of Windows is not

31:45

a version of Windows. It never gets released. And

31:48

so people sign up and roll

31:50

into the insider program and then they can't get out.

31:53

Back in January, there

31:55

was a beta channel build

31:58

where Microsoft

32:00

said, you know, we're going to let you guys get out. We're

32:02

going to give you an offer. They didn't call it this, but

32:04

I think it was an offer. Well, maybe they didn't call it

32:07

this. It's an offer.

32:09

In other words, they've started

32:11

to bring some mobility back to the

32:14

insider program. They also aligned, remember, the

32:16

Dev and Beta channels.

32:19

No, I'm sorry, the Canarian Dev channels, right,

32:21

which are now heading toward 24H2, right? And

32:25

so there's a little bit of mobility there. They've

32:28

never announced this, but I've heard

32:30

now from three different people in the release preview

32:32

program who were able to get out of release

32:34

preview by

32:36

turning off that switch that says always get

32:39

the biggest, you know, the build's quickest as

32:41

possible, looking for updates, and then they get

32:43

offered the stable version of Windows 11. So

32:46

I think they're it took

32:48

them three, four years or something, but

32:50

I think they're finally starting

32:53

to move into this type

32:55

of system. Again, not that there'll

32:58

be a magic window necessarily, although

33:00

they've been so obvious about 24H2 so

33:02

far in advance, which they've not done in

33:05

three, four, five years, I don't know, a long

33:07

time, maybe never ever with Windows 11. That

33:11

maybe they're, you know, they understand the problem

33:14

here and they're actually trying to fix it. I

33:16

will say if you're in the insider program, you need

33:18

to be technical enough to know how to, you

33:21

know, reset the computer back to stable, right, that you

33:23

should be able to download an ISO, put

33:25

it on a USB key, clean install. I

33:29

feel like that should be, you should be able to

33:31

prove you have to do that before they let you

33:33

enroll, watch a computer insider, but since they don't do

33:35

that, at least they're giving people a way out. So

33:37

that's neat. That wasn't

33:39

really a, I wrote

33:41

this, I wrote about this and I'm talking about it

33:44

now because I've heard from people who have experienced it.

33:47

I look back because I had a vague memory that they

33:49

were doing this with at least one channel and I think

33:51

it is the beta channel. I wouldn't

33:53

be surprised to discover they just do this everywhere.

33:55

And if you think about how an operating system,

33:58

the applications you run... and the

34:00

data you own are all kind of segmented,

34:02

or not kind of, literally are segmented, this

34:07

type of thing honestly shouldn't be a

34:09

technical challenge for Microsoft. So I'm glad to see them doing

34:11

it. It's kind of a nice thing. I could test Windows

34:13

11, whatever channel for

34:16

two months and say, you know what, this isn't for me.

34:18

I'm going back to stable and flip the switch, install the

34:20

build and discover. I think that all the time. I think

34:22

that's, yeah, I missed that. Yeah, this is the way Android

34:25

works. I think it's the way iOS works. You know, if

34:27

you're on a beta, you don't want to get out

34:29

of this. Yeah, what is it?

34:31

On iOS, you delete the beta

34:34

profile. I think you can use reboot and it

34:36

kind of, I think, right, because these things are

34:38

all segmented. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. Yeah,

34:41

I mean, I guess they're worried that people aren't

34:44

sophisticated enough that they might not know that when

34:46

you go back to stable, you might lose some

34:48

features, because you're testing features that are for a

34:50

version that doesn't exist yet, but I mean, that's

34:52

just obvious, but shouldn't be in the inside of

34:55

program. I think the same thing. Yeah,

34:59

but who knows? I guess they've made it too

35:02

easy, maybe to enroll. So lots of mainstream users

35:04

in there. Yeah, I guess. And then, yeah,

35:06

so since last week, I guess since last week's show, every

35:10

channel has gotten new builds, right? And so Canary

35:13

and Dev, like I said, are on the same builds

35:15

for now. It's explicitly testing

35:17

24H2. I do like

35:20

that transparency. There's

35:22

an interesting feature, let me see if I have it on this

35:24

computer actually. So if you, this

35:26

looks completely different, why does this look different on

35:28

every computer? Yeah, so if you have, if you're

35:30

in stable, like I am, no, it's, you

35:33

think I'd be getting used to this. So if

35:35

you're in stable now, you can go and look

35:37

at the widgets board. And

35:39

if the UI looks a little different at the top, they

35:41

used to have a little picture view up there, but you

35:43

see a little gear icon instead, you have the

35:46

option to, let me see what

35:48

the name of it is, is to, yeah, there's

35:51

an option there called show or hide

35:53

feeds. You can turn off that

35:55

crappy news junk that's in there. Oh, hello, hello. Does

35:57

it turn off Microsoft start? Yeah, you can turn it

35:59

off. In the future, I suspect

36:01

we're going to see some third party feeds show up. So you

36:03

could add, you know, not that Google would

36:06

do this, but like a Google News Feed or maybe an

36:08

RSS Reader will make a feed or something. But

36:10

for now, you can just toggle Microsoft Start on

36:12

or off and you should turn it off. It's

36:14

junk. And when you do that,

36:16

the Widgets Board becomes, the Widgets

36:18

Interface becomes just Widgets, like as

36:20

the name suggests. So in

36:23

my case, I see weather and traffic in

36:25

this area, which is apparently horrific. Some

36:28

stock. Now we know why Richard's not here.

36:30

Yeah. So, okay. So that's it. So

36:32

where do, tell me how to do that again? Yeah.

36:35

So if you open Widgets. Widgets. Yeah. It depends on

36:37

what you see there, right? So it's not clear how

36:39

you get this update per se. I think it was

36:41

part of a KB that went out recently. But if

36:44

you open that interface and you see a,

36:46

if you see a little picture there

36:48

in the corner, yeah, yeah, it's like a person

36:50

with a talk. Yeah. But

36:52

if you see a gear in the top right,

36:54

Oh, I see the gear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

36:56

And you'll have a new menu, a new settings

36:58

menu, which I discovered new

37:00

Widgets personalized. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Down

37:03

four or five items is something called

37:05

show or hide feeds. Uh-huh.

37:08

Click that and you'll see an option to save

37:10

the Microsoft start. Microsoft start off. There you

37:12

go. Yeah. Widgets board needs to close. Good. That's

37:15

fine. I don't mind. Yeah.

37:17

They tested that feature for, you know, 10 or 12

37:19

seconds in the insider. So we have that now. That's

37:21

good. Oh, I really like that. That's so much better.

37:23

This is what everyone wanted. Yep. Yeah. But they're

37:26

continuing to test changes to widgets.

37:28

And in the, I think

37:32

it's, well, a canary endeavor the same. So

37:34

canary and dev, there's actually new navigation. There's

37:37

new navigation pane on the left of the

37:39

widgets board, for lack of a better term.

37:42

And if I understand the

37:44

image I'm looking at correctly, you could

37:46

probably switch between different views where you

37:49

just have widgets, you just have Microsoft start, you might

37:51

just have a third party thing in the future, if

37:53

they could ever get anyone to extend it. So

37:56

they continue to kind of work on this

37:58

user interface. So. Here we are

38:01

what three years in plus and they finally are

38:03

you fixing the biggest? Well,

38:05

not the biggest but one of the biggest complaints

38:08

certainly the people have had with Windows 11 and

38:10

this terrible interface Which should be useful, but was

38:12

just So

38:14

that's good There's a

38:16

new accessibility setting for low vision users. They're

38:18

testing You know that

38:21

the weathered experience on the lock screen that's

38:23

been in stable since Late

38:25

last year they're still testing that in canary and

38:27

dev for some reason I have no idea what's

38:30

going on there And if you

38:32

do want to do a clean install of this

38:34

latest build you can do so there are downloadable

38:36

isos Which they only do

38:38

every you know a couple months. I they don't do

38:40

it for every build They

38:44

channel nothing major there

38:46

They brought some of the updates to this nipping

38:48

tool and notepad app which includes it by the

38:51

way that AI co-pilot You know helped

38:53

me write thing To

38:55

beta that's okay. There's that new

38:58

manage mobile devices interface where you

39:01

take a Picture

39:03

on your phone and you if you want it you

39:05

can get a notification right there in your PC and

39:07

download it immediately I guess So

39:10

that I don't know why people need it Immediately,

39:12

but whatever I mean I go back I go

39:14

between my phone and my computer all the time

39:16

I don't think I've ever once wanted to do

39:19

that exactly, but they're doing that. That's okay I

39:23

Wear Microsoft is being very explicit about

39:25

24h2 They're not

39:27

being explicit about moment 5 because of course they didn't

39:29

fair public who said that term so

39:32

the release preview got a

39:34

humongous update last

39:36

week And it's one

39:38

of those configuration change updates where it flips a

39:41

bunch of features on that were silently installed in

39:43

your computer when you weren't paying attention, and

39:45

this is very clearly moment 5 right and

39:48

so if Microsoft follows a schedule I

39:50

want to be clear. They don't have to and don't Next

39:53

Tuesday the 27th is week D. That would

39:55

be the week and if week D comes

39:57

we talk next week if

40:00

they do this, but that should be the

40:02

day that Moment 5, which won't be

40:04

called that, right? It will be KB something,

40:06

something, something, will be a preview update, optional

40:10

install, and then two weeks after that probably,

40:12

but again, these things change, who knows? It

40:15

will go to stable. So, release preview has it now.

40:19

Those people who want to install in stable,

40:21

the preview update will have it next Tuesday

40:23

probably, again, and then potentially two

40:25

weeks from then, it would go out stable

40:27

to everybody, or at least start rolling out. So,

40:33

I don't know that anything in here sticks out honestly.

40:37

One of the alleged features is that Co-Pilot

40:39

in the taskbar is moving over to the

40:42

right side of the taskbar, except

40:44

on every one of my computers now, it's already there. So,

40:46

I don't know. I mean, this is one of those, like,

40:48

they always do this. You know, they, this is like a

40:50

feature of it, but it's still

40:52

in stable. They just kind of burp

40:55

things out now. Some improvements to

40:57

Windows Share, which I think a lot of people don't

40:59

use. I think the one improvement it could use

41:01

is a consistent interface that works everywhere, including in

41:03

OneDrive folders, but that's not how that works. Nearby

41:07

Share is being fixed as well

41:09

with transfer speed improvements. I've already seen this feature,

41:11

so I don't know what's going on there. New

41:14

snap layout suggestions, where

41:16

if you snap a window or app

41:19

into a particular area, it will

41:21

look at what else is running and use AI,

41:23

because that's what everything is now, to

41:26

suggest maybe this is the layout you want.

41:28

I feel like when people do snap, they know what

41:31

they want. How well does that work? I mean,

41:33

yeah, have you tried it? No, I've not tried

41:35

it. I just don't. I

41:38

don't mean to help with that really, right? Yeah,

41:41

I don't mean to be condescending, but I

41:44

am. No, I know.

41:48

It's a weird fact that I probably

41:50

use snap with one window only more than I

41:52

use it to snap actual windows. Like, I often

41:54

want to use a screen. Do you use a

41:56

screen, you mean? No, I

41:58

just, I'll stop a, for example,

42:00

For example, there are certain apps that I

42:02

just use almost full screen. So

42:05

on this monitor I'm looking at, the

42:08

way I positioned Photoshop

42:10

was I snapped it to the

42:13

right half of the screen and then I

42:15

pull out the side of it so that it fills most

42:17

of the screen but I still see some of the desktop.

42:20

And the reason that I do that is because I use

42:22

the desktop as a scratch space. So I like to pull

42:24

things in without having to

42:26

open an explorer window. And

42:28

I do that with a lot of windows. For

42:30

this show for example, I have, we

42:33

use Notion to the Notes, I have that snapped

42:35

to the right side of the screen so that

42:38

when it's zoom, zoom is just

42:40

floating in a window but that thing snapped. Nothing

42:42

is snapped next to it, it's just kind of snapped by itself.

42:45

I actually just do that a lot. I find it

42:48

nice to just have

42:50

something stuck to the side. Yeah, I have,

42:53

I never did this before but now that you mentioned

42:55

it, I just snapped the Add Copy

42:57

to the left and to the right.

43:00

Yeah, it's kind of nice. And

43:02

you know because I was on one workspace

43:04

with several windows, it did show me all

43:06

the windows on the workspace that I could

43:09

snap to the left. That's all

43:11

I really need. I don't need AI to

43:13

tell me. People love their little layouts and things

43:15

and you can do that. You can have snap

43:17

groups and all that but I don't need help

43:19

snapping. It's not complicated. I can

43:21

use it on an iPad. Anyway,

43:24

it's okay. It's not a bad thing. There's

43:28

really not a lot here. There

43:30

are a lot of little features. There's no big

43:33

feature but it's

43:35

coming in. That's what a moment is really, right? We

43:39

get individual features almost every month

43:41

and then a moment is a collection of

43:43

several or a dozen new features all coming

43:45

at the same time. And

43:47

that's what this is. Yeah, it's not dramatic. It's

43:49

just a special. Yeah. Keep

43:51

it sort of toast. It's cool. By

43:54

the way, I just want to thank you for breaking my

43:57

widgets because now when I

43:59

open the widgets. I just get a

44:01

blank. No, it's working

44:03

exactly as you expect. And

44:07

I no longer have the gear

44:09

that I can fix it. So that's okay.

44:12

I mean, it's better than having Microsoft news

44:14

in there. And you still have the weather.

44:16

Nothing is better than Microsoft news. Isn't that

44:18

weird? We're going to agree with that. I

44:20

probably just need a restart. It's just a...

44:23

I know. One weird is I'm of the...

44:25

So I keep the widgets button in the taskbar because

44:27

I like the weather. Yeah, me too. I

44:30

turn off the ability to mouse over it because I don't

44:32

want it appearing by mistake. But that said, with

44:35

rare exception, when a computer reboots or comes

44:37

up again, that thing is over

44:39

there with a null icon. And I want to

44:41

see the weather. So I will

44:44

click on it. It will display widgets very quickly.

44:46

And it looks exactly like what you just showed

44:48

with nothing in it. And then I

44:50

close it. And then the weather pops

44:52

up. Interesting. I've sat here sometimes for 15,

44:54

20 minutes waiting for the little picture of

44:56

the sun to appear. And it

44:58

never does. I'm restarting. We'll see if it

45:00

fixes it. It's a hard computer science problem,

45:03

I guess. Turn it off and

45:05

on. Have you turned it off and on? Yeah.

45:08

No, it works. Just turn it off. I think that's

45:10

the answer to this one.

45:12

A couple of other things. So there

45:15

was this big report a couple

45:17

weeks ago about how Edge was

45:19

silently siphoning browser data from other

45:21

browsers. And I saw that. And

45:24

I thought, that's interesting because this is a feature of Edge.

45:26

And I don't understand what anyone's complaining about. And

45:30

I should have known better because A, it's Microsoft,

45:32

B, it's Edge. C,

45:35

nothing works the way it's supposed to anyway. So there's

45:39

an inconsistency occurring here where when you run

45:41

the out-of-box experience, which is that kind of

45:43

white and blue part of Windows setup that

45:46

you see when you bring up a new

45:48

computer or a recently reset computer, it

45:51

runs through different stages of a wizard. And some

45:53

of them always have to appear. And

45:55

some of them are optional. Some of them

45:57

depend on whether you're paying for a game.

46:00

pass subscription or Microsoft 365 subscription, they'll

46:02

try to upsell you on those things

46:04

if you're not. But

46:06

one of the ones that's inconsistent and makes

46:08

my life miserable because I'm trying to document

46:10

exactly what happens is it will

46:13

sometimes pop up this window that says, hey, would

46:15

you like to bring in your browsing data? And

46:18

it's the type of thing that sounds kind of innocuous. If

46:21

you are a Microsoft Edge user and

46:24

you're using Microsoft Windows with

46:26

Microsoft Edge on a new computer and you

46:28

think what this means is the data

46:30

that's synced to your Microsoft account, of

46:33

course the answer is yes, you want that. That's what

46:35

everyone does with browsers. But they've

46:37

changed it. You actually have to read it really

46:39

carefully and maybe even click on the link that

46:41

goes to the web because actually what that thing

46:43

enables is literally every

46:45

single time you launch

46:48

the browser, Microsoft Edge will

46:50

look at all of your browser data in

46:53

Chrome and import it again just

46:55

in case you've made any changes. It's

46:58

really aggressive. It's totally unnecessary.

47:00

I don't quite understand what they were

47:02

even thinking with this because

47:04

most people, obviously a

47:06

lot of people use multiple browsers, I do. I

47:10

don't know that you want them that synced up

47:12

every single second. And I also feel

47:14

like the point of this kind of functionality is that

47:16

it happens once and you're done.

47:18

You can import it, right? There is

47:21

an interface buried deep in Microsoft Edge. I've added it

47:23

to the – no, it's not public yet, but I'm

47:25

adding it to the book. I'm not going

47:27

to bother documenting it here as we talk, but you

47:30

can actually turn this on and off in the browser. And I

47:32

think that the glitch such as it

47:34

was was that in

47:36

cases where people ignored this option or

47:39

said no to it and then later

47:41

installed Chrome and or because it's Microsoft

47:43

who knows, you already had

47:45

both those browsers on your system. It

47:48

somehow got enabled by default. But this has been a

47:50

feature of Microsoft Edge for a long time. It's not

47:52

a new thing. It's behaving like

47:54

an errant AI or like Dave or the

47:56

– I'm sorry, like a hell in space

48:00

Odyssey is new I guess but you know

48:03

it's Microsoft Edge. How do you think it's gonna behave? It's terrible.

48:06

Anyway it's fixed. Okay I

48:10

don't know you get what you get what you you

48:12

get what you deserve I guess if you use

48:14

Edge. Was it a Brad that was complaining about all

48:16

the kept importing his crumb stuff? I think it

48:18

was Brad. No it was Tom Warren. Tom Warren okay

48:21

and then you know my reaction to that is like

48:23

what are you doing using Edge? I think it

48:25

was gonna happen. Do you think it was gonna behave

48:27

better all of a sudden? Or did you think

48:29

it was just gonna always be crappy like what were

48:31

you thinking? Oh

48:35

well okay so start as being a

48:37

brad though our buddies at Stardock announced

48:39

something called the object

48:42

desktop insider program right so they took the

48:44

worst part of Microsoft and said look we

48:46

should do that. And that's cool that's fine

48:48

so if you're an object desktop owner you

48:51

can get into they call it a feature you

48:53

get into this program and it allows you to

48:56

get access to pre-release versions of new apps and

48:58

also features ahead of the public release. This

49:02

kind of limits the audience a bit

49:04

right but the

49:06

interesting thing about this is they're

49:08

going ARM. So if

49:11

you are in this program if you own object

49:13

desktop you and have an ARM based PC you

49:15

can actually download the first pre-release versions of

49:18

native ARM versions of start

49:20

11 fences and groupie and

49:23

we'll see if there are more in the future we'll see

49:25

where this goes but they're actually

49:27

kind of making a big bet here that ARM

49:29

is going to become a thing on Windows so

49:31

I'd love them I guess we'll see but

49:34

there's no way you can do this otherwise

49:36

you have to be part of object desktop

49:38

to see this but eventually try it. You

49:41

know because I am using it on my Mac that's what I use

49:43

on my Mac. Yeah I don't have an

49:46

ARM PC here so I didn't even know I didn't

49:49

even try but yeah

49:51

I spent half an hour today installing Windows. I

49:53

have seven computers here and none of them are

49:55

running Windows 11 home I know and I was

49:57

like ah I'll

50:00

try it and try it in the VM then I guess. I spent half

50:02

an hour on that. And then the

50:04

thing I was trying, it was about device

50:06

encryption. And device encryption doesn't work in a

50:08

VM because the TPM that Hyper-V supports doesn't,

50:10

it doesn't work anyway. That's my

50:12

life. And then Google, I

50:15

don't know what prompted this exactly, but

50:17

last week I think I came

50:19

up with an announcement. This was aimed at

50:21

Chrome OS enterprise customers. People might use Chrome

50:24

books in the enterprise, but actually in

50:26

a place of anybody, which is that

50:30

depending on who you talk to, there could be hundreds of millions

50:32

of computers that are exiting support with

50:34

Windows 10 next year. And

50:37

as we talked about

50:39

that kind of hyperbolic, hyperbolic,

50:41

hyperbolic, hyperbolic. Hyperbolic. Statement that hundreds of

50:44

millions of these computers are gonna end

50:46

up in the landfill. I'm like, well,

50:48

they're gonna end up in the landfill

50:51

eventually. But if you wanna

50:53

prevent it, Google has a solution. It's kind

50:55

of interesting. You can use their Chrome OS

50:57

Flex, right? Which is that open

50:59

version that works on any computer. And

51:01

a bunch of people try this free, but you could evaluate this

51:03

free right now if you wanna. I'm glad that they're continuing to

51:05

work on this. It was a

51:08

company called Neverware that they acquired.

51:10

And it worked kinda on maybe a third

51:12

of the PCs I had lying around. It's

51:14

just so old, it used to be for

51:16

Intel Macs too. Like if you have an

51:18

Intel Mac, you can work there too. But

51:20

it sounds like Google's kind of, now

51:23

they bought it. They made it a formal part of

51:25

the... Yeah, it's good. It's a

51:27

good use for an old PC. I mean, if you

51:29

don't go run Windows 95. Public

51:33

caveats here. So they do have

51:35

a hardware compatibility list. Yeah,

51:38

it's not perfect. If your computer's on that list, you can

51:40

have a good experience. That's great. If it's

51:42

not, it's still worth trying. By the way, it's a

51:44

lot like a Linux distribution where you kind of blow

51:46

it onto a... It is a list. It actually is.

51:48

Well, okay. It's weird how similar it is, Leo. I

51:50

don't know if you know this. Oddly, oddly similar. Meaning

51:54

when you put it onto a USB key, you

51:56

can boot the computer that way. You don't

51:58

have to install it. You can just run it right up. the USB key to

52:00

kind of evaluate it so you can get a good

52:03

idea of how well it's going to work before you

52:05

install it. That's nice. Compared

52:07

to Chrome OS, a couple of differences. You don't

52:09

get Android apps. I

52:11

think, I'm not sure about this one,

52:13

I believe you do get the Linux part of it.

52:16

I hope I'm not wrong about that. And

52:19

then the support timeline is kind of an

52:21

open question and that's kind of the problem.

52:23

Even if you read that Chrome OS

52:25

Enterprise blog post, they're really vague about it. They

52:28

will support it on, well, at least in Chrome

52:30

OS Enterprise past the Windows XP

52:33

timeline. It may vary by PC. It's

52:35

not clear. I don't know that there's a way you can

52:38

go into the UI and see what the date is, how

52:41

far it's going to go. But it's possible. It

52:43

might, you know, the legs are

52:46

supported someday, right? We just don't know what that

52:48

day is. So for individuals that might be a little

52:50

more dicey. But again, if you have an older computer,

52:52

it doesn't matter if

52:54

Windows, whatever is supported or not, it's,

52:57

you want to try something a little different. You

53:00

could think of this thing as a light version

53:02

of Linux, you know, it's all web apps. You

53:05

don't get the Android stuff, but I don't know. Honestly,

53:08

Android apps and Chrome OS are kind of a

53:10

neat thing in some ways, right? Especially

53:12

if they've been tailored for big screens and all that. But I

53:15

don't use too many of them. Not a huge loss. Yeah.

53:18

Yeah, I don't think so. And honestly, if you

53:20

wanted Linux, just put Linux on there. So

53:22

even if it doesn't work, it's a big deal either. Yeah,

53:27

I mean, Linux has gotten a lot

53:29

better recently. And there are really user-friendly

53:32

distributions. Absolutely. You know,

53:34

Mint and Ubuntu, obviously, but I like

53:36

elementary OS a lot. I like Zorin

53:38

OS a lot. If you like

53:40

something, or want something that's a little bit like Windows or whatever, or

53:43

even the Mac, you know, that's kind of friendly. A

53:46

bunch of stuff up there. Yeah, elementary is kind of like the Mac. Yeah.

53:49

There's a new Pop OS coming. They've rewritten

53:51

the desktop environment. That's a very compatible

53:53

and easy way to do it. And that's the one they

53:56

put on those system... System-76. ...prepcs,

53:58

I think. System-76, yeah. Yeah,

54:00

they are hardware manufacturer, but they are doing a

54:02

pretty good distro as well. Yeah. Yeah,

54:05

I'll probably go that one soon, too Yeah, I like Popo

54:07

s. Yeah, I think good that

56:00

sushi class was wild with the

56:02

full giant tuna. Holy

56:05

cow. I bet that was

56:07

good sushi too. And the other thing is obviously

56:10

Mexico City is agreeing with you. You've lost weight.

56:12

You look great. I lost

56:14

weight. I think it's the diarrhea. I

56:18

think it's the... No, I'm like... No,

56:20

I think that there's something about travel when you

56:22

kind of change your diet. There's

56:25

something you're doing... It might be mad dogs or

56:27

something, but there's something you're doing... The

56:29

mikangi that you're not doing in Mexico City. I've

56:31

told this story before. I'm sure I apologize for

56:33

repeating, but I always order

56:35

things without bread or potato or

56:37

whatever. This causes no end of

56:40

amusement and confusion. But if you

56:42

ever want to know that you've

56:44

said something correctly, for me it's, you

56:46

know, ¿Hembriguesa con

56:48

queso sin papa sin pan? And they're

56:50

writing and they go... What?

56:54

Really? Sin pan? Sin

56:56

pan? And then they laugh. You're

56:59

right. You crazy... I am the only person in

57:01

this country that orders food without bread. There's no

57:03

doubt about it. Well, that's good for you. Good. Yeah,

57:06

that's fine. Yeah, you look fantastic. Well...

57:09

Well, I noticed at first in your Insta... I thought,

57:11

whoa, is that an old photo? Because

57:14

when you did your whole keto phase, your

57:17

paleo phase, you looked great. You

57:19

gained a little weight back, I know, but... Yeah, it was

57:21

temporary. I mean, it was just... It's great. You

57:23

look fantastic. Anyway. I'm

57:25

just going to stick with it this time. Good. I

57:28

need to do that too. I need to do that too. I

57:30

got to do that too. It's hard, but you're just going to

57:32

just work this... But you're still eating... Like, yeet beans? Yeet beans.

57:34

I have to. I have to. I

57:37

have to. I just have to. So, you eat carbs. You

57:39

just don't eat processed carbs, bread. Yeah, I have a lot

57:41

of salad. I eat a lot of salad. Yes.

57:44

And actually, here, it was

57:46

a key finding there are three places in the neighborhood

57:48

that make fantastic salads. Like, really, really good salads. Oh.

57:51

Probably you would. Yeah, you wouldn't think in

57:53

Mexico... Oh, well, you might. Although...

57:57

You could buy candy from a child on the street. It's

58:00

and I'm talking like a gigantic cart

58:03

of just multicolored candy or

58:05

in a city crazy I

58:09

Could solve the obesity problem here today to stop

58:11

drinking coke and get rid of the candy I

58:13

agree and when you're done with that let's start

58:15

on the bread because it's way too Oh, yeah,

58:17

the bread now you'd eat tortillas corn tortillas. No,

58:19

no, so none of that stuff No,

58:23

what a does all I'm saying and laughs how

58:25

about rice rice? No, no, no, but

58:27

beans are okay Yeah, I want

58:30

to follow you guys. I'm asking. Yeah, like

58:32

yeah the car the caldo place which is

58:34

like chicken soup It

58:36

usually comes with rice. I got I know, you

58:38

know, Cena Rose who is that here and then

58:42

It does come with like garbanzo beans. I

58:44

mean no chickpeas chickpeas are gone by chickpeas and

58:46

probably has of this and Yeah, it probably has

58:48

this price and carbs that but you know, it's

58:50

like beans a whole food. It's all food It's

58:53

like being a socket. Yeah That's

58:56

my theory. I'm sticking with it There's

58:59

your There's your

59:01

paul theron health tip for the week Yeah,

59:04

when I bring it to careen over from a hard Zach tomorrow, you

59:06

could just go in the other direction We're

59:08

gonna take a little break Richard Campbell is I hope

59:10

gonna get here. He's is he put a brown like

59:13

that We have not heard a thing from him. So

59:15

that tells me he might still be he's on roots

59:17

No brown pick no brown liquor pick yet

59:20

Maybe get looking Stephanie to give us

59:22

a nice Mexican cocktail. No, yeah, we

59:24

could do that We got build news

59:26

Microsoft 365 news. We're gonna talk AI

59:29

and just in case you didn't get enough xbox That's

59:31

coming up to win this windows

59:33

weekly Continues with the

59:36

solo Paul Theron Bill

59:39

is coming to sorry To

59:42

its quick update. Sorry quick. I think Richard did in fact

59:44

text me. I missed it. This is about half an hour

59:46

ago Still in the air. Oh, he's in the

59:48

air But this is

59:50

yeah, well then I don't know where he

59:52

is in relation to Do

59:55

you have a flight number I can track it I

59:58

didn't I do not okay From

1:00:01

now on we're going to get rid of his flight number

1:00:03

so we can just put it on the screen as

1:00:06

he's slowly approaching. Yes, that would be amazing. Calculate

1:00:09

how much time it would take for

1:00:12

him. If everything goes right in

1:00:14

customs. He's going to PV. I

1:00:17

presume that's vacation for him. He's

1:00:20

not doing another conference. My only question is whether

1:00:22

he goes home first and then goes from there.

1:00:24

I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember.

1:00:26

I should remember this. And then you're

1:00:28

going to go home pretty soon or go back to…

1:00:31

No, I'm still here. We're here through the 12th. So

1:00:33

we still have almost… That's right. We overlap by one

1:00:35

day. March 11th

1:00:37

we're going to Cabo. So

1:00:40

I'll wave as we fly by. Okay.

1:00:45

You don't fly through Mexico City though, right? No, no, it's

1:00:47

a straight flight. Yeah,

1:00:50

if you did go to Mexico City we'd see your plane.

1:00:52

The flight path is right in front of our apartment. Is

1:00:54

there really? Planes all night long. Oh yeah. All

1:00:57

night long. We had a plane from

1:00:59

Peru that was going up somewhere in North America, not to

1:01:01

Mexico. And planes from the United States

1:01:03

coming the other… Yeah, it was… Sometimes when people get old

1:01:05

they sit on the porch, they look at birds. You're

1:01:08

just going to sit on your balcony and look at

1:01:10

planes. It's great. Well, we get

1:01:12

to watch the drivers trying to parallel park. That's always

1:01:14

hilarious, below us. And then I mean they don't… I

1:01:17

don't think they ever taught it in school. It's

1:01:21

hilarious. I mean it's just like they parallel. They do

1:01:23

like a 21-point turn. It's like you're still three feet

1:01:25

away from the street. What are you doing? I

1:01:28

don't know what's happening with those guys. But yes,

1:01:30

we get that below us. We get the planes in

1:01:32

front of us. Very entertaining. We get stars above us.

1:01:34

It's great. Very entertaining.

1:01:37

Yeah. Let us continue

1:01:39

with… Bill,

1:01:42

you're going to have to come up to Seattle in May. I

1:01:46

will see. So I had heard

1:01:48

this as a rumor from

1:01:51

a source that this was happening so that Microsoft

1:01:53

has not confirmed that Bill 2024 will

1:01:56

be in Seattle on May 21st through the 23rd.

1:02:00

The question is whether this is kind of a reduced

1:02:02

event like they did with Ignite over the past couple

1:02:04

years and they've built over the past couple years. There's

1:02:07

been no word if they're going to invite the press or not.

1:02:09

I'll talk to Richard and see if I can sneak in

1:02:12

on the podcaster thing again, but

1:02:14

I can tell you I made

1:02:16

many people very upset by doing that because

1:02:18

they felt like if the rot was there,

1:02:20

why can't we be there kind of thing?

1:02:24

Because you're not a podcasted jerk. No, I

1:02:26

don't know. So we'll see. I

1:02:29

hope to go. I will go if I can. Absolutely.

1:02:33

And that's all we know. That's the whole thing. Well, we

1:02:36

know it's going to be a big focus on AI and co-pilot,

1:02:38

right? It's not going to be... Bill is

1:02:40

always one though, right? Bill is one of the more...

1:02:42

Bill is my favorite microsustral by far. Yeah, me too.

1:02:45

Yeah. Because you both like to code and

1:02:47

stuff and I just, I always find that fascinating. Was

1:02:50

that the Steve Abatish talk? Was that

1:02:52

Bill? Yes, it was. And

1:02:54

it is amazing how quickly that has risen

1:02:56

in the ranks of like greatest Microsoft's speeches

1:02:58

of all time. It is... And

1:03:02

every time there's an AI announcement related to

1:03:04

Microsoft, I can point to Steve Abatish and

1:03:06

see, he said this, this is what he

1:03:08

told us was going to happen. He gave

1:03:10

us a great roadmap. I mean, the clearest

1:03:12

roadmap. Oh, so good. So well spoken. Yep.

1:03:15

And it was funny because it was kind of presented as, I'm kind

1:03:17

of on the way to the airport and I only have

1:03:19

a few minutes. So I'll leave this rattle through this real

1:03:21

quick. And then he delivered the most concise, clear-headed, transparent

1:03:24

speech about what Microsoft was doing with AI that

1:03:27

I've ever seen in my life. You

1:03:30

know, comparing contrast this to such talks

1:03:32

in my past as the introduction

1:03:34

of Windows Azure as was called at the time

1:03:36

or the big Microsoft Quantum

1:03:38

computing introduction where I

1:03:40

walked out in the most confused, befuddled state of

1:03:43

my entire life in both cases. I had no

1:03:45

idea what they were talking about. AI

1:03:48

should be confusing. It's complicated and he made it

1:03:51

make sense. You know, God bless the guy. That's it.

1:03:54

It was very clear. So really

1:03:56

good to hear what Microsoft is planning. You

1:03:58

know, what they have. thinking

1:04:00

was. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

1:04:03

And my God, you know,

1:04:05

again, not to keep, I'm not going to try not

1:04:07

to keep mentioning this, but one of the things that

1:04:09

comes up as a recurring theme in that Sinofsky book

1:04:11

is this notion that Microsoft, rather

1:04:14

Windows, did not have a coherent

1:04:17

app strategy since

1:04:20

before Longhorn. You know, that

1:04:22

made any sense that they just

1:04:24

never, they just threw out a bunch

1:04:26

of stuff and never went anywhere and

1:04:29

this is the opposite of that. And

1:04:32

again, very high level. It's not like something a developer

1:04:34

could say, okay, this tells me the frameworks and languages

1:04:36

and things I need to use. It's

1:04:38

done that. But

1:04:40

just, yeah, exactly. How Microsoft sees, right, and

1:04:43

how Microsoft is making their own

1:04:45

apps. You know, he cites apps like Designer

1:04:47

and ClipChamperch are in the Microsoft table. And

1:04:49

then how things like legacy apps, like those

1:04:51

apps in Office, like how those things will

1:04:54

be co-pilot designs for you work, you know, work

1:04:56

side by side. I

1:04:58

just thought it was, yeah, I can't talk

1:05:00

about that. Will he make a repeat of

1:05:03

performance, you think, Bill? I don't know, but

1:05:05

given the little, not shake up, but given

1:05:07

that that org has changed a bit and

1:05:09

he is now, you know, remember he used

1:05:11

to be, he was

1:05:14

in Surface and was

1:05:16

the guy who, you know, like Rolf

1:05:19

used to do a lot of the kind of top

1:05:21

level designs, but he would work on a lot of

1:05:23

the mechanical things, like the hinges and so forth. And

1:05:26

he's actually now in software. So yeah,

1:05:29

I would hope so. And in the

1:05:31

sense that everyone at Microsoft is

1:05:33

probably now, or hopefully already

1:05:35

has, shifted things a little

1:05:38

bit career-wise to make sure they're in some sort of AI

1:05:40

part of the company. He

1:05:42

clearly did that. So yeah, I think he's, I don't

1:05:44

know that for a fact. They have not announced speakers

1:05:46

or anything, but I bet he's going to be a

1:05:48

part of it. I hope so.

1:05:50

I hope so too. I just congratulate him when

1:05:52

I see him next time on his ability to

1:05:54

be clear. It's a gift. You know, it's

1:05:56

nice. Steven Batish. He

1:06:00

is, what is

1:06:03

his job? It says applied sciences here on the...

1:06:05

Yeah, so there you go. I mean, that wasn't

1:06:08

his title a year and a half ago. Applied

1:06:11

sciences, yeah. He's working his

1:06:13

way, right? If he isn't already into that

1:06:15

Microsoft Fellow room. It's like a fellow thing,

1:06:17

yeah, yeah. Yeah, he skirts into the room

1:06:19

like six inches above the ground and he

1:06:21

speaks and we all just kind of bask

1:06:24

in the glory. Well, just look at his

1:06:26

picture on the page. He

1:06:29

looks like a crazy man. Yeah,

1:06:32

but he's not. He leads Microsoft's

1:06:34

Applied Sciences Group and

1:06:36

interdisciplinary team of scientists, AI

1:06:38

researchers and product engineers

1:06:41

in the Windows and devices organization.

1:06:43

There you go. And

1:06:46

by the way, they put AI, they

1:06:48

put A period I period. Can

1:06:52

we just... I'm sure there's a pedantic debate

1:06:54

within Microsoft about the correct spelling. This is

1:06:56

like a... Yeah, we got to do it

1:06:58

that way, yeah. US for the United States

1:07:00

is always written as U period, S period

1:07:03

and UK never is. Yeah,

1:07:05

and why? I don't know. And

1:07:08

by the way, don't tell me, I don't care. I

1:07:10

think we've all agreed AI is just AI, not

1:07:12

A.I. I think so, yeah. It's become

1:07:15

a term, yeah, yep. Oh

1:07:17

well, Microsoft. Steve holds more than 120 patents.

1:07:20

He's a fellow for the Society for Information Display,

1:07:22

CID, and

1:07:24

has been honored as an innovator by the IEEE.

1:07:26

He's a frequent speaker in international conferences. He's

1:07:29

been inventing, shipping new Microsoft devices

1:07:32

and experiences since 1999 from

1:07:35

conceptualizing the original Surface Table. Oh,

1:07:37

that thing was his in 2001.

1:07:42

Wow. Yeah. Well,

1:07:44

remember, there was this

1:07:46

multi-touch effort at Microsoft that kind of

1:07:48

predated, literally predated Windows 8,

1:07:51

right? So Windows 7 had

1:07:53

multi-touch, but they never really did

1:07:55

anything with it. They did that

1:07:57

D3, D5, whatever year that was,

1:07:59

demo. And then, you know,

1:08:01

the Microsoft Surface table was part of

1:08:03

that era of whatever. And

1:08:06

then with Windows 8, they brought the

1:08:08

Surface brand into, you know,

1:08:10

essentially the Windows group, Surface, right? The

1:08:14

PC line, right? And those table

1:08:16

big screen, blah, blah, blah, that became

1:08:19

like perceptive pixel or something, or they

1:08:21

kind of swapped brands basically. But

1:08:24

yeah, I guess there wasn't a big market

1:08:26

for Pac-Man games and casinos. Who knew? You

1:08:30

know, tabletop games? I saw one in

1:08:32

a casino hotel once, and I saw

1:08:34

one on a cruise ship once.

1:08:36

Yeah, those are the types of places where you

1:08:38

would see such a thing, right? Yeah, resorts. It

1:08:40

was a neat demo. I mean, we'd interact with

1:08:42

physical objects, you know, in unique ways, which I

1:08:45

thought was kind of cool. But

1:08:47

it was just hard, you know, it was just like HoloLens, like, okay,

1:08:49

this is really cool. What do we do

1:08:51

with it? You know, and I don't think they ever landed on anything. I

1:08:55

also think there was a reason it

1:08:57

came out right after the iPad, which

1:09:00

was Apple's thing. I mean,

1:09:02

Microsoft's thing. Yeah, we got multi-touch. We've been

1:09:04

doing, we have, we've had this forever. Except

1:09:08

it wasn't an iPad, it was a little larger. It

1:09:10

was a lot of backpedaling. You

1:09:13

said, it's like, did you say tablet or table? You

1:09:15

said table. I thought you said table. That's

1:09:17

weird. So it's not something I could carry around. It's

1:09:21

something I would sit at. It's a slightly

1:09:23

different product. Yeah.

1:09:26

Oh, well. Oh,

1:09:29

well. Oh, well. All right. What else?

1:09:31

Let's see. Microsoft 365er. Yeah,

1:09:34

a couple of things. It

1:09:36

is uniquely weird to me

1:09:38

that Microsoft developed Microsoft Teams,

1:09:41

sought to integrate it into Windows 11,

1:09:44

but used a separate Teams app that

1:09:46

was only for consumers. Never

1:09:48

made the flagship Teams app capable

1:09:51

of just being one app that worked with

1:09:53

everything. Released a major new

1:09:55

version last year, right? Which everyone loves,

1:09:57

basically, because it fixes all the problems.

1:10:00

Except for this one, you still need a

1:10:04

different app on the client for consumers.

1:10:07

Windows 11 23H2 includes the second major version

1:10:09

of that. They got rid of that, I

1:10:12

don't remember what it was called, that's crazy,

1:10:15

that purple icon thing was on

1:10:17

the desktop, or the Casper rather, that

1:10:19

was in the first couple of versions. Major

1:10:22

Rev of that product, nobody uses it, right? Why would they?

1:10:26

And meanwhile over in mobile, Microsoft

1:10:28

Teams always has had one app that works with

1:10:30

all types of accounts. So

1:10:32

without any ado, there's never been an announcement,

1:10:34

but Microsoft quietly about a week ago added

1:10:37

to the Microsoft 365 roadmap that they're

1:10:39

going to unify the clients. It's going to be one

1:10:41

on both Windows and Mac. It's

1:10:44

going to happen pretty quick too, it's supposed to start rolling out

1:10:46

and stable in April. So this is something

1:10:48

I guess they've been working on. I

1:10:51

don't know what took so long or

1:10:53

whatever, but they're knowing it, so that's

1:10:55

good. The

1:11:00

normal reaction to the sentence Microsoft is

1:11:02

killing Microsoft publisher is they still make

1:11:04

Microsoft publisher. They still make that. Not

1:11:07

only that, they're not killing it now.

1:11:10

I know, in two years. They're killing it in two

1:11:12

years. I've got to tell you,

1:11:14

I've said some versions of this a bunch

1:11:16

of times, especially recently probably. I'm

1:11:18

a little tired of what I think of as faux outrage. When

1:11:25

Sonos started obsolete

1:11:27

older speakers, everyone who was freaking out was not

1:11:29

a Sonos fan, like a user. They were just

1:11:32

other people. Or when

1:11:36

Apple and the DMA, or you pick your little

1:11:38

tech controversy, it's always like people, they don't even

1:11:40

have any stake in it. We'll talk a little

1:11:42

bit about Firefox later. The

1:11:46

people who think that they

1:11:48

should be able to deal with it, it's important that they have

1:11:50

their own rendering engine. Don't even

1:11:53

use Firefox. What's

1:11:56

your angle here? I'm not saying there aren't people

1:11:58

that use publisher, but I don't know. look at

1:12:01

this up. Now, I knew publisher was still in

1:12:03

Microsoft 365 because I see it. Right? I install

1:12:05

it or it's on PCs. Like, I know it's

1:12:07

there. I couldn't tell you

1:12:09

the last time they updated this app.

1:12:12

I was surprised to discover that this thing

1:12:14

has been around since 1991. It's actually one

1:12:17

of the oldest apps in,

1:12:19

well, what's now Microsoft 365. It's one

1:12:22

of the oldest Microsoft

1:12:24

offices. Right? When this thing

1:12:26

came out, the

1:12:29

competition was all this page maker

1:12:31

and Quark Express. Right?

1:12:34

InDesign didn't even exist. And

1:12:36

back then, of course, a lot of

1:12:38

the things we were using computers for would

1:12:41

output on paper. Right? Whether it

1:12:43

was a document or even

1:12:46

like a slide deck, you would print the thing out was

1:12:49

like a big part of the experience. Like, paper

1:12:51

really mattered. And I'm not

1:12:57

a user, but the things I remember

1:12:59

about this product is

1:13:01

that when Microsoft had their internet explosion thing in

1:13:03

the 90s, when they did, you know, turned on

1:13:05

a dime and everything was going to be internet,

1:13:08

they went through a couple of different phases where

1:13:11

maybe this app would be the thing that consumers

1:13:13

will use to create web pages. Right? Microsoft

1:13:16

Word was one of those. And

1:13:19

so too was Microsoft publisher.

1:13:21

I mean, think about your publishing this thing that has

1:13:24

kind of layouts and everything. Maybe this could be published

1:13:26

into a webpage. And I'm sure they, for some years,

1:13:28

they probably had that in there. Obviously

1:13:31

front page kind of became that thing. They

1:13:34

did online versions of it, like Microsoft spaces,

1:13:36

or I guess it was Windows Live spaces,

1:13:38

probably whatever it was called, MSN spaces back

1:13:40

in the day. Yada, yada, yeah,

1:13:43

it doesn't matter. The last major update to

1:13:45

this product is I think 15 ish years ago,

1:13:47

they haven't, you know, people who do use it,

1:13:49

do use it. Well, it will tell you

1:13:51

that they haven't done a lot with

1:13:53

it. And of course, the people who do use it

1:13:55

are upset that this thing is going away. But

1:13:58

it is going to be in two years. you have a chance to

1:14:01

kind of figure out

1:14:03

what you might want to move to. I will just say

1:14:05

that from a publishing perspective, this

1:14:07

kind of publishing, the world

1:14:09

has changed. I'm sure some

1:14:11

people are still making pamphlets and brochures and things

1:14:13

like that, but I'm sure they are. I'm

1:14:16

not trying to- Here's a page maker. Is that

1:14:18

going to go away? I'm

1:14:20

using a product made by Koala. Or

1:14:23

what was that thing? I

1:14:26

would print- Broderbund Print Shop

1:14:28

Pro. Broderbund Print Shop Pro. Print

1:14:30

Shop Pro, yeah. Like

1:14:33

on the Dot Matrix printer, you can make like a

1:14:35

banner that says Happy Birthday. Happy Birthday, Paul. I'm sure

1:14:37

there's still a need for that. I'm not downplaying it.

1:14:39

I will say I did walk through an office

1:14:41

max the other day here in Mexico City and

1:14:43

they have giant large format printers for people. Oh,

1:14:45

nice. Usually you don't have to own these things.

1:14:48

Oh, nice. But anyway, I

1:14:50

think these days a lot of this stuff is

1:14:52

happening online and there are solutions like

1:14:54

Canva would be the big one that people think of. I

1:14:56

think the thing you're

1:14:58

targeting is probably social media, right? You might

1:15:00

want something that is formatted for a phone

1:15:03

or whatever. Publishers

1:15:06

obviously not the right thing. And by the way, Microsoft

1:15:08

has their own thing called Designer that targets

1:15:10

that stuff too if you want to stick in the Microsoft

1:15:12

sphere. There

1:15:14

you go. But you have two years to

1:15:16

figure it out. It's not like it's an emergency. Although

1:15:19

if you're using publisher, you're

1:15:21

probably not moving very quick, I guess. I don't

1:15:23

know. It's weird to me

1:15:25

how upset people were about this. We'll

1:15:29

see how it looks as we get a little closer. I

1:15:32

don't know. I would like

1:15:34

to have two years notice before

1:15:36

I pick the bucket. We

1:15:40

have two years. You might as well. You got

1:15:42

a pancreatic thing happening at layout but you got

1:15:44

a good two years to get it. Oh, God.

1:15:47

Don't know actually. I don't want to.

1:15:49

You don't want to know that. I don't want to know

1:15:51

that. You're right. You're right. I mean,

1:15:53

tell me that. Why did you tell me that?

1:15:55

There's nothing I can do, right? Okay, great. Can I move to

1:15:57

Canva? I

1:16:00

don't know about you, but I'm going to have some of

1:16:02

this peaty and salty single malt whiskey. Peaty

1:16:05

and salty. That is a wrong combination

1:16:07

of flavors. Well

1:16:09

they're both savory. Peaty

1:16:12

and salty? It's Japanese. Okay.

1:16:15

Is it like a barbecue in a bottle? What

1:16:17

are we talking about here? You

1:16:19

know what I mean? What is that? Like peaty

1:16:21

and salty. Mmm. Yeah,

1:16:23

delicious. Mmm. Alright,

1:16:27

there's your exciting, thrilling,

1:16:30

gripping Microsoft 365 issue. I

1:16:33

think we should talk about AI. We haven't

1:16:35

talked about AI in a few minutes. Yes.

1:16:40

We'll start it with the Microsoft leaning. I got

1:16:42

to tell you, I am all in on AI.

1:16:45

I love AI. I was

1:16:47

completely a skeptic and now I'm

1:16:49

a fan only because of how

1:16:51

I use it. I

1:16:53

know, I can't believe how fast it's happening. I'm paying

1:16:55

for two AI things now. Like a jerk. We'll

1:16:58

get to that. No, I'm paying for open AI. I'm

1:17:00

paying for open AI. I think it's

1:17:02

going to settle in, but maybe it isn't

1:17:05

because I pay for like eight different online

1:17:07

video services. Yep, yep, yep. Me

1:17:10

too. Perplexing AI. Maybe this is just the

1:17:12

new subscription. I love that there are still

1:17:14

skeptics out there. I had a guy in the

1:17:16

past week tell me in comments that this

1:17:19

was just a scam perpetrated

1:17:21

by Microsoft. I think you might want to

1:17:23

look at it again. I don't think that's

1:17:25

the takeaway. That's kind of what I thought

1:17:27

initially, but then I say what it is

1:17:30

is generally I like where you just kind

1:17:32

of say, hey, you know, tell

1:17:34

me a story. That's dopey. But

1:17:36

if you give it a corpus of information, if

1:17:38

you make it an X, it's a really good

1:17:40

expert system. This is my end game.

1:17:43

This is how I might, this might result in

1:17:45

me finally writing a book, which is just

1:17:47

taking all this stuff from the past

1:17:50

and giving me a way to actually

1:17:52

make sense of it. Because right now, I

1:17:54

have to dive into all these old folders and try to figure

1:17:56

stuff out and it's a nightmare. notes

1:18:00

from whatever one note or notion or

1:18:02

what notion will do it actually now

1:18:04

notion has it. I think that's

1:18:06

a really useful tool. Now

1:18:09

the new thing is they're training multiple

1:18:11

AIs. Google's thing is well, we

1:18:14

thought AlphaGo played chess well but

1:18:16

what we're doing is we're taking Deep Blue and AlphaGo

1:18:18

and all of these and we're going to have them

1:18:21

teach each other. This is probably

1:18:23

a better way to say this but it is

1:18:25

these, I don't know, specialized use

1:18:27

cases for lack of a better term where

1:18:30

they make this giant thing that's

1:18:32

the internet and it's amazing but

1:18:35

inaccurate hallucinations whatever and then you

1:18:37

kind of bring it down, you bring it down

1:18:40

and you work with a finite

1:18:42

set of data that's very specific

1:18:44

to some topic maybe and

1:18:47

I think this is where, I mean I think

1:18:50

all of it is amazing but they're going to

1:18:52

be some, like for example. They

1:18:54

have already since the dawn of the AI

1:18:57

age 17 seconds ago translated

1:18:59

these scrolls from languages. Oh, wasn't that

1:19:01

amazing? Well, I mean it's, they

1:19:04

have the scrolls from Pompeii that were ash

1:19:06

basically. You couldn't unscroll them because they would

1:19:08

fall apart but they're using X-rays and AI

1:19:11

and they're able to, they're able to

1:19:13

read them. This is, oh god, this

1:19:15

stuff is amazing. Really interesting. I

1:19:17

love this. Yeah. So and

1:19:19

we'll get into this a little bit because

1:19:21

you know Google, as Google brings their AI

1:19:24

down from massive cloud ultra whatever to Gemma

1:19:26

to now you have it in workspace and

1:19:28

as an individual in Google One, you

1:19:31

know they're starting to talk and they're starting to

1:19:33

go to the enthusiast for like here's some offline,

1:19:35

they don't call it nano but some

1:19:37

offline whatever's that LLMs that you can

1:19:40

use against Nvidia chipsets on your own

1:19:42

laptop and Nvidia's really I

1:19:44

used, I've tried. Oh, lama is

1:19:47

one and what your wife, is she bringing you a

1:19:49

drink? She's talking on the phone like two feet away

1:19:51

from me. And then I send her, when I says,

1:19:53

I says pretty, pretty bueno.

1:19:56

Pretty bueno. That's pretty

1:19:58

no bueno over there. I've

1:20:03

tried Olama and there's one called GPT for

1:20:05

all and downloaded them to my Mac. And

1:20:08

then you download a model. It has to be, you know,

1:20:11

it doesn't have to be, it should be an open source

1:20:13

model like Lama, Lama 2. And

1:20:15

then you can try stuff. But I still

1:20:17

haven't figured out, and I think there's a Python script

1:20:20

to do this, how to get my PDFs into it.

1:20:22

Because if I could just do that, then I won't

1:20:24

have to, you know,

1:20:26

and I think they would want that because it

1:20:28

saves them money too, right? It's using my electricity

1:20:30

out there. That's right, of course. The more this

1:20:32

stuff works locally, right? I mean, this is genius.

1:20:34

Private? Yeah, right. It

1:20:36

kind of hits on all those levels. But

1:20:38

it needs an NPU. You need an NPU,

1:20:40

I think. It's

1:20:43

GPU, frankly, right? I mean... That's

1:20:45

what NVIDIA is saying, but there's... The thing... Well,

1:20:48

I mean, all of the

1:20:50

offline, local, run solutions have

1:20:53

been optimized against NVIDIA for years now. I

1:20:55

mean, it's... That may change over time,

1:20:57

but for now... Right. This

1:20:59

is kind of the... It's kind of a good way to do

1:21:01

it. So Microsoft will commercialize this or

1:21:04

whatever. Something called OneDrive, a co-pilot for

1:21:06

OneDrive. There's

1:21:08

no way that Gemini for

1:21:10

Google Workspace won't do the same thing,

1:21:13

right? It may not today,

1:21:15

and I don't think it does, but this is coming. And

1:21:17

so people who are on Workspace for business

1:21:20

or have a Google One subscription where they

1:21:22

pay another $20 a month will

1:21:24

be able to do this against their Google Drive, right?

1:21:26

I mean, it's coming. So I mean,

1:21:29

based on how fast it's coming, it's probably going to be here

1:21:31

before next week's show. So, you know, hold

1:21:33

on to your seats. No, it really...

1:21:36

It's astonishing how... We

1:21:39

keep saying, like, we can't

1:21:41

get used to how fast this is happening. Yeah. And

1:21:44

then a week goes by and it's like,

1:21:46

it's happening. It's still going. I don't understand

1:21:48

how this is possible. That's the thing that

1:21:51

scares people is that it's going to somehow

1:21:53

reach some sort of hockey stick growth thing. And

1:21:55

then... Yeah. It's definitely...

1:21:59

Can she make us a... drink? We

1:22:01

have people here who I'll ask of that,

1:22:03

yes. I mean, Rich, it's not gonna be

1:22:05

here, so we're probably gonna need a cocktail

1:22:07

if it's okay. But

1:22:10

this I like. No, right now, no,

1:22:12

no. Right now we need a cocktail.

1:22:15

No, we've had ongoing issues with

1:22:17

our water heater. Okay. And expectedly they

1:22:19

have arrived to fix it 10 feet

1:22:22

away from my head. Okay, so anyway.

1:22:24

Just keep on going. Keep on going.

1:22:26

Right. So there was

1:22:28

an Intel event today and Microsoft CEO, Satya

1:22:31

Nadella showed up to say, and again, very

1:22:33

vaguely, just like the Xbox thing, we are

1:22:35

going to use the Intel Foundry. They have

1:22:37

that 18A process they've been talking about that

1:22:40

will start shipping in the second half of

1:22:42

this year. They

1:22:45

said Ah-chip, right? So Microsoft, remember

1:22:47

back in November, announced two custom

1:22:49

AI chipsets. One was

1:22:51

a CPU and one was a GPU, Azure Maya

1:22:54

and Azure Coldbald. Almost

1:22:56

certainly gonna be one of those chipsets. By the way,

1:22:59

these were arm designs, if I'm not mistaken. I think

1:23:01

both of them were. But they're

1:23:03

gonna use the Intel 18A manufacturing

1:23:05

process, which will be their most

1:23:07

advanced ever when it ever launches. And they say they're

1:23:09

still on track. And Intel

1:23:12

had a bunch of other announcements around this. I mean, they have a

1:23:15

bunch of other CPU architectures and things happening.

1:23:17

But they're trying to drum up what

1:23:19

they say so far has been $15

1:23:23

billion in manufacturing commitments for the Foundry

1:23:25

business. They're looking at getting

1:23:27

another 10 billion from the United States and subsidies, right?

1:23:29

For the chips and science act. And

1:23:31

Intel's uniquely positioned to take advantage of that. They're

1:23:33

the only ones that are like, we're building stuff

1:23:36

here, let's do it. So

1:23:38

little vague, we don't know exactly what

1:23:40

form that's going to take, but they

1:23:44

didn't announce it. This

1:23:46

has not been formally announced and they refused to

1:23:48

acknowledge it. But OpenAI

1:23:51

went through another round of Specific

1:23:54

kind of funding. It is a what's it

1:23:56

called? When You're a private company. You

1:24:00

get tender offers rights as a way for

1:24:02

investors to invest your company When you know

1:24:04

public my. So based on

1:24:06

this. The value of those shares. His

1:24:09

company is now worth eighty six billion

1:24:11

dollars and. Which is

1:24:13

almost triple the number. It was less near them.

1:24:16

And as a fast a eyes doing

1:24:18

things right. This is the incredible nature.

1:24:21

Of the saints. Couple.

1:24:23

Of things really to money and Open A

1:24:25

I they're looking at other funding it's they

1:24:28

should be worth over one hundred billion dollars

1:24:30

within a month or two and same Altman

1:24:32

the Ceos depose and came back as some

1:24:34

protection for the slot Publicly rights. He's trying

1:24:37

to raise billions of dollars to help fund

1:24:39

the manufacturing of a Open A I specific.

1:24:42

A I Chipsets right? They're trying to give him

1:24:44

some seven. trillion. Dollars.

1:24:48

You. Going to need a i just express

1:24:50

the number seven Obey Truly I don't always

1:24:52

going to do with seven trillion dollars to

1:24:54

build a lot of ships and then he's

1:24:57

gonna dominate the world I think as his

1:24:59

idea and them that's evil villain nut money.

1:25:01

I mean that's I know is James Bond

1:25:03

is stance on villains and to really and

1:25:06

that's like us as exiting Several Your mustache

1:25:08

you stress you cheshire cat you get your

1:25:10

eye patch going. Scary.

1:25:12

Don't you can use this guy of and lack

1:25:14

of ambition. That's all I can say now. Wow

1:25:17

It's credible. Holy moly and if you thought this

1:25:19

was a scam I I would say the other

1:25:21

look at this survey it on something else. sorry

1:25:23

this is there are going to added a I

1:25:25

was young too slowly god you see the holy

1:25:28

cow Yeah I brought my well. As I said

1:25:30

I said yes you have to like it. As

1:25:32

I said it's my wife I think this is.

1:25:35

Oh. My. God. So. It.

1:25:38

Yeah, right now it's limited to a

1:25:40

minute. The President has further working with

1:25:42

the content creators, but also with some

1:25:44

people in the ethical side of your

1:25:46

way. We want to be sure the

1:25:48

stuff isn't you know, does duplicate Star

1:25:50

Wars speak it that he get our

1:25:52

Lucasfilm? you know, Sony like you've gathered

1:25:54

here times. but I. Some.

1:25:56

Of the honestly say i so there are things

1:25:58

but I mean it's also video. Oh so you

1:26:00

can edit it and. A

1:26:04

six it's know. all of it was

1:26:06

amazed. Yeah, do look at that if

1:26:08

you haven't. It is incredible. Trying.

1:26:11

To pull it out or butter? yeah some of

1:26:13

the out right I booze. What you know the

1:26:15

the woman walking on the streets of Tokyo night

1:26:17

is when a really good ones that. The.

1:26:19

To little pirate ship stuff floating in

1:26:21

coffee machines and and ah then Israel

1:26:24

has been axed Text from Sense it's

1:26:26

amazing that prompts yeah if this is

1:26:28

not there's not, they're not giving use

1:26:30

it during him Selmer some. It's

1:26:33

Texan romps. This incredible.

1:26:36

Am. I. Haven't been

1:26:38

to a cat. And

1:26:41

a my computer to show it to people.

1:26:43

I want to show you this is so

1:26:46

cool. Are

1:26:48

you go to? you know it. Go to surat.com

1:26:50

and read the article is going to it and

1:26:53

you can Now. Applies.

1:26:55

We're probably talking about this on them.

1:26:57

Eyes and waves know as soon as

1:26:59

impressive. I mean as desk at the

1:27:01

Dali improvements were, they kind of went

1:27:03

from picks out a photograph. Equality? were

1:27:05

you know, impressive? But

1:27:07

this is video. Yeah, you know, And

1:27:09

that's what makes this so incredible. So

1:27:12

this is the prompt: A stylish woman

1:27:14

walks down the Tokyo streets filled with

1:27:16

warm blowing neon and animated city signage

1:27:18

who has a black leather jacket. And.

1:27:21

Longer address dressed in black boots And that said,

1:27:23

I mean it's. And out

1:27:25

there are a i artifacts in and it's

1:27:27

not. it's not perjure people pointed out little

1:27:29

things you know and and of course break

1:27:31

with the but this is early days and

1:27:34

by the way that themselves is very calculated

1:27:36

right this isn't quite ready. Perhaps.

1:27:39

But. They're also try to raise bunch of money like

1:27:41

bouncing. I didn't really say yeah right? No,

1:27:44

no, no individual can go useless. but they're

1:27:46

I know they're working with filmmakers, they're working.

1:27:48

Men always makes me wrong with assesses when

1:27:50

when they say that there is one I

1:27:52

saw that was. A. Guy

1:27:54

walking. On a

1:27:57

treadmill. In the running

1:27:59

on a. I'm aware got the prompt wrong.

1:28:02

Because it's so he wanted a guy running

1:28:04

and then he's also running the wrong way

1:28:06

on the treadmill lesser reversal of the treadmills

1:28:08

and on Thanks in guys! As a gym

1:28:10

though, you know they have very smart running

1:28:12

backwards set against this is a wild one.

1:28:14

Was a tour of an art gallery with

1:28:16

beautiful artworks. Every

1:28:20

one of them carbureted, If. If

1:28:22

it's survival place right? in. A gray

1:28:24

haired man with a beard in his

1:28:27

sixties in deep sought. Pondering

1:28:29

the history as universe and he sits in

1:28:32

a cafe in Paris. Somebody.

1:28:34

Stole the be a two years

1:28:36

and have seizures you publishers on

1:28:38

out of same time says. Figure

1:28:40

it out since Three Wolf Moon.

1:28:43

Is pretty amazing. Real Israeli cost.

1:28:47

Am. I. Look for not

1:28:49

stay in from is because they they didn't he

1:28:51

can't do it yourself yeah we don't know how

1:28:53

good these or maybe this took a hundred different

1:28:55

images and tuning in tweaking and they finally and

1:28:57

the when they was. Still,

1:28:59

Wow. I know, I know. Wow. What?

1:29:06

Is that you around that sense to my name?

1:29:08

sorry Android Intel been at this as I stood

1:29:10

I put some there by accident for his and

1:29:12

know that is. Said

1:29:15

to them this distilled or indo

1:29:17

so so and others are those

1:29:20

are my partners but that doesn't

1:29:22

my website as fast as it

1:29:24

is a Gemini. Yes,

1:29:27

So well Gemma is a Google has

1:29:29

given their they announced that in December

1:29:31

within three different levels different sizes are

1:29:33

they also Nasa Gemini Pro last week

1:29:35

one point five version which is. Better

1:29:38

than their ultimate are ultra whatever was told

1:29:40

from the one point or era which is

1:29:42

number quickly leaving behind us has has been

1:29:44

two months after. All our buddies or their

1:29:46

proprietary can a commercial products trying to trying

1:29:48

to bunch money from people use these things

1:29:50

and what they done as they can abuse.

1:29:53

that is the basis for smaller L, a

1:29:55

Lamb's or a salons. I guess that can

1:29:57

run locally. and is like we see around

1:29:59

different things. Iran and and hugging space or

1:30:01

hugging face and so forth on. Installed a

1:30:04

Gemma right so there are two sizes are

1:30:06

two versions of that and this was it's

1:30:08

this was a similar to what you were

1:30:10

talking about earlier where. They

1:30:13

haven't said with the going to be but they're going

1:30:15

to make versions of this for a very specific use

1:30:17

cases spread. In a seizure. So.

1:30:20

If. You're an enthusiast or developer. Someone's

1:30:22

skin in this is free. It's open

1:30:24

source, I believe. They'll

1:30:27

be more. and they're They're kind of.

1:30:29

This is there. and for you know,

1:30:31

Microsoft has some stuff like this. I'm

1:30:33

everyone does right them. So.

1:30:36

Interesting. I thought the other brick, they're kind of

1:30:38

bringing it down to size here and again. I'd.

1:30:41

Go. Further indication of the quick maturation

1:30:43

Stuffed kind of crazy here is the

1:30:46

guy running backwards on this mystery of

1:30:48

i'm on a treadmill now see that.

1:30:50

They'll. Go that way to follow.

1:30:53

They are they might I. I

1:30:55

have seen people on a treadmill backward of

1:30:57

the gym. Liver disease the other way. they're

1:30:59

running back Ramos join the normal direction. Yeah

1:31:02

Have you have told on of sides to

1:31:04

see Kill yourself right? Disguise.

1:31:06

His guy doesn't look like an athlete wasn't

1:31:08

really interest me as his the prompt is

1:31:10

stamped steps, printing scene of a person running

1:31:12

cinematic and film sad thirty five millimeters to

1:31:14

the A I added the treadmill. there was

1:31:16

no need for that, there was no call

1:31:18

for that's but in it. But look how

1:31:20

the camera movement is him as it is

1:31:22

it to make it like a hand held.

1:31:26

As he disliked the horse video or they

1:31:28

proved that all four of it's feet accidentally

1:31:30

hit the ground Games on as. It's.

1:31:33

Religious and really fascinating to me.

1:31:35

A I'm so excited by the

1:31:37

world's finally. I know

1:31:39

cause technologies get low boring. If

1:31:42

their list when people say things in

1:31:44

a they sell it exaggeration to know

1:31:47

people will talk. This is as big

1:31:49

as Reggie White. It's as big as

1:31:51

the internet. Think this is

1:31:53

busy when his ass is, when is as big as

1:31:55

it is the biggest? Yeah really as I am I

1:31:58

did are getting that yet? I don't know what. How

1:32:00

close your eyes are. But. It's. All

1:32:02

around you it's is happening. So.

1:32:05

Yeah, I mean like there's gonna be

1:32:08

stupid examples. I mean obviously the Ai

1:32:10

is gonna be the list Microsoft says

1:32:12

so abusing the Copilot term. That.

1:32:15

They're gonna destroy their best. Brandon's well here

1:32:17

are images yet just like the internet, there's

1:32:19

good news bad I mean there's also I

1:32:21

still had I see gonna be a flood

1:32:23

thirty his. Vows?

1:32:25

Crap. You. Know

1:32:27

ever seen it and others are

1:32:30

using this stuff to create junk

1:32:32

articles. Link Wray. That. The

1:32:34

amount of linked pain spam is gonna.

1:32:37

The Sky or I've never used it for

1:32:40

writing I will say I'm not saying I

1:32:42

won't I mean I am though really Ip

1:32:44

except that it's moving so fast I wonder

1:32:46

sometimes may be the some use for it

1:32:49

I haven't figured out but of season for

1:32:51

images right and then once I saw that

1:32:53

on. Them. As his

1:32:55

own. So what if a bunch are discussed or

1:32:57

our. Business. A victimless

1:33:00

crime. This was gonna send a.

1:33:06

New, you know it be a better artist

1:33:08

and the ai that's the trick. Make better

1:33:11

movies in the i can make right better

1:33:13

text as a way I don't even that

1:33:15

is it That here's the problem. imagine so.

1:33:18

I. Go to Composer, Microsoft, the com and

1:33:20

ice I right in my stupid little prompt

1:33:22

right? So something ridiculous. I. Want something

1:33:24

that looks like the gates to the Garden of

1:33:26

Eden? As if painted by

1:33:29

by a. Renaissance. Mast.

1:33:31

Person except that I wanted to be a

1:33:33

Google logo on the supplement. Eve asked to

1:33:36

this is an article about Google Rare Effect.

1:33:38

So that saying it it it does. a

1:33:40

little. Thing. It did it. Broke.

1:33:42

Up, Up and. And. Are thirty seconds

1:33:44

less twenty? Such amazing I for it or

1:33:47

of it's now imagine they went to him

1:33:49

being in a might I really concerned ethically

1:33:51

about i'm getting rid of jobs and yada

1:33:53

yada yada. And I said to them

1:33:55

I would like the thing. I just described how long it took.

1:33:57

The first the Clinton image. You know, The

1:34:00

soon. I'm not decision for a

1:34:02

book it's for and the others article that

1:34:04

I'm going to forget. Well, arabs editorial that's

1:34:06

not going to matter in about two seconds,

1:34:08

you know. Like I said, it's a. Recall

1:34:11

that it's like of. The there's. No

1:34:13

value when engaging with a human being

1:34:16

for something that passes that that is

1:34:18

that ephemeral. But once it becomes so

1:34:20

easy to do with this other way.

1:34:23

Than I can use it for that kind of thing.

1:34:25

It right? A doesn't make sense. As.

1:34:28

I think that's the have been at

1:34:30

the fundamentally. It's. Like someone could carry

1:34:32

me to the restaurant. but we have a bicycle. It

1:34:35

only gets it's. I. Would get

1:34:37

their be the way but eight because the other

1:34:39

one is so slow. Name is a bicycle I

1:34:41

agree. Ticked by soup. At

1:34:44

This does not absolve be ethically. I got said

1:34:46

no. I mean we have to resolve these problems.

1:34:49

I agree. Yeah, I. Agree! Oh so

1:34:51

we all use I phones from China. I

1:34:53

did with events or as sentimental but it

1:34:55

may be armed mm. Okay,

1:34:58

I'm not sure if this is a good example.

1:35:01

they are not. I going to be honest. So

1:35:03

Adobe. Because. Of what they do in

1:35:05

the products they sell, hell is going to have

1:35:07

a a massive imprint on a I. thus have

1:35:09

some Ace and and. This. Ah, to

1:35:12

isolate Every couple months we see new

1:35:14

Adobe innovations and eight they're doing it

1:35:16

earn ethically maybe monopoly the right word,

1:35:18

but the it a in a in

1:35:20

a way that will protect businesses from

1:35:22

abusing copyrighted works. You know they can

1:35:24

assure that the content their training off

1:35:27

of the zone by them and there's

1:35:29

some good about that right? So I

1:35:31

like that. But

1:35:33

they've had since it's they're adding an

1:35:35

Ai assistant to Adobe Acrobat. Now the

1:35:37

correct response to that sentences. They still

1:35:40

make Adobe Acrobat because seriously, if you

1:35:42

use that thing without having an Adobe

1:35:44

of like. Subscription. It's

1:35:46

a giant set of two hundred and twenty five.

1:35:49

That's that's all it is. I don't actually think.

1:35:51

The. App does anything that. Unless

1:35:53

you pay them. Also of this point out

1:35:55

that every browsers reads Pdf is only a

1:35:58

know you don't you don't need it. Ah

1:36:00

no of beauty. And

1:36:02

twenty my editing pts that that instances

1:36:04

in Cook close but some complexities but.

1:36:08

Era with the celts. I would

1:36:10

say in the Adobe Empire that

1:36:12

exists today acrobat is there I've

1:36:15

least interesting the all in a

1:36:17

crowd were a real as yes

1:36:19

it is pacey, some new and.

1:36:22

I know that was dumb down Mit

1:36:24

Richard Richard has arrived for and sir

1:36:27

I see breaking. Lama. Sophos

1:36:29

the highest mental at or yeah so sad frame

1:36:31

rate is a will we get some was of

1:36:33

the i Get this debt we that's in the

1:36:35

x box same and are right and then. Continue.

1:36:39

On. Up. Or

1:36:41

down when they I actually got were

1:36:43

down when they ah spring and early

1:36:45

as as press X box is X

1:36:48

box time here. So we actually talked

1:36:50

about this earlier. Saw this briefly mentioned

1:36:52

again that's Microsoft has been talking about

1:36:54

this notion of. Game. Preservation

1:36:56

and how this might look in

1:36:58

the future. Obviously the goal on

1:37:00

exports as a console is to

1:37:02

try to have that backward compatibility

1:37:04

play. They've done a great job

1:37:06

and X box one in our

1:37:08

series exodus in giving customers the

1:37:10

ability to access these games across

1:37:12

generations. The prom

1:37:14

at all the games of course is that

1:37:17

you might run into technical issues publishes we're

1:37:19

not interested in doing the work that into

1:37:21

the value of it's And so for the

1:37:23

older games three sixty, oh gee, especially I'm

1:37:25

we. Had the wall and that liquid. Were. Pretty

1:37:27

much done with those in the same. They

1:37:29

won't be any further and maybe three sixty,

1:37:31

but oh gee, deftly is over. But what

1:37:34

is this like in the future, right? Because

1:37:36

as as Exports expands to include subscriptions and

1:37:38

blood streaming. Or. Club Gaming. Ah yes! Of

1:37:41

what about game preservation there and I

1:37:43

they is talked about it. You're a

1:37:45

little bit vaguely but they're that later

1:37:48

this year there should be some. Form.

1:37:52

Of. Your. Game Library and

1:37:54

being played in the Cloud. And.

1:37:57

Which will make it. The

1:37:59

don't really? you? The wrestlers universe was as a

1:38:01

kid. Ah,

1:38:04

And then you know it's second half of the

1:38:06

mines. This is a short months. We're.

1:38:10

More It. Can pass

1:38:12

games that arriving and next two weeks in

1:38:14

Madden Nfl Twenty Four Big One Everyone's heard

1:38:16

of. Warhammer. Right as another

1:38:19

big one and and of much crap I've

1:38:21

never heard of and what's happening I don't

1:38:23

know anymore, so I'm really hoping the that's

1:38:25

swell Activision Blizzard soon change this. I keep

1:38:27

saying it, but now we know that won't

1:38:29

happen in Seoul the very end of March,

1:38:31

The earlier so. There's. Going to be

1:38:34

a beautiful day in March where we say

1:38:36

to play Diablo for I'm excited about that

1:38:38

ally to pay for diablo for. So I

1:38:40

really yeah and really likes the. I.

1:38:43

I I can't wait to see with this

1:38:45

looks like hope it doesn't come with a

1:38:47

resulting in price increase because. Men:

1:38:50

twenty four that's good Men for divorce

1:38:52

ago when him. Or at

1:38:54

least a big famous, well known one. You

1:38:56

know when get into things like a virtual

1:38:59

fishing or it's like an anthill? Those made

1:39:01

a lot of the sales of hours or

1:39:03

yeah on else to go on sales of

1:39:05

are standing right by the well as it's

1:39:07

I haven't had a game yet if. Wanna

1:39:12

play That's a belt gun?

1:39:15

Know. Is that where you take out the car

1:39:17

with the ends up or the are like the last guy in

1:39:19

the. Simpsons.

1:39:21

And in a scandal setting that.

1:39:24

Of with my next time channel sellers

1:39:26

dunno how many talented his son and

1:39:29

and and or six. I

1:39:31

I'm sorry sir into new ah Microsoft

1:39:33

has been done a vocal here. In

1:39:35

the end, they admitted that they're actually

1:39:37

working with regulators in the you to

1:39:39

kind of it's you know, Explain

1:39:42

why would Apple doing is not okay scraps or

1:39:44

them but well I was a really good point.

1:39:46

It upsets he said you don't Apple has the

1:39:48

best user interface designers in the world, So when

1:39:50

they really saw forward as a really bad user

1:39:53

face. You. Have to know it's premeditated

1:39:55

rated bits that they can Addicted. Is it

1:39:57

had to be like this? You know, Apple

1:39:59

there. Is like with hundreds of Apple

1:40:01

team members who spent tens of thousands of

1:40:03

hours working on saying. It's

1:40:06

hard to circumvent the law you know, keepers

1:40:08

expats with. I'm sure it's a lot of

1:40:10

time, but. Anyway, we'll see how

1:40:12

that one comes out. I I decided, ensuring

1:40:14

that Microsoft has overtly decided to. Come

1:40:18

as I guess they're men are so mns. Yeah

1:40:21

many has a surprise me there's no love lost.

1:40:23

you get a remember like when I was i

1:40:25

was sixteen or seventeen when a bit version where

1:40:28

they put it that does don't track me across

1:40:30

app thing. You know, minute? Like

1:40:33

there was a remedy really. I flick plummeted

1:40:35

a cigarette and I did. was gonna have

1:40:37

a shot across the bow. As much debt

1:40:39

was that was directed at metal specifically right?

1:40:41

And because that's a business models you know

1:40:43

and I didn't I? you know we don't

1:40:46

cover this part of the and per se

1:40:48

but I an elite town for the story

1:40:50

because we care that much. Buy a ticket

1:40:52

was. I

1:40:55

think it was I don't remember for was

1:40:57

Mark Zuckerberg. Somebody said that maybe a source

1:40:59

was saying like they're actually alerting advertises like

1:41:02

look. We're not gonna make

1:41:04

any money on the I phone so. Let's bust

1:41:06

to it and different way. Why know like their that

1:41:08

it's almost like they're actively trying to undermine the I

1:41:10

phone now with so. I mean

1:41:12

I makes sense someone's. By.

1:41:14

Seattle's to house each other as you

1:41:17

know axis and away as the point

1:41:19

that you're not operating in a vacuum.

1:41:22

Animal or Matter or Microsoft for anybody,

1:41:24

we're all in this together. And so

1:41:26

if a company really starts to act

1:41:28

poorly, right? You're going

1:41:30

to get some reluctance. This. Is

1:41:32

a huge thing. Ethical question right? I

1:41:35

think object to the most. People would

1:41:37

agree that st or non non silently

1:41:39

whatever tracking people who tobacco watching their

1:41:41

activities. Storing their formation,

1:41:44

Bidding. It together. selling it to

1:41:46

advertisers so that they can target

1:41:48

you with personalize recommendations, right? Take.

1:41:51

Advantage of been that way. Is.

1:41:53

The him as was

1:41:55

shady. Is.

1:42:00

The on Apple to make the decision that

1:42:02

that business model of one of their biggest

1:42:04

partners is unacceptable and their to saigon allowed

1:42:06

anymore even though they do exactly the same

1:42:08

thing by the with yeah I mean it's

1:42:10

it is kind of a. At

1:42:13

its and it's It's a interesting gray area where

1:42:15