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From the Weston A. Price Foundation, welcome

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to the Wise Traditions Podcast for

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Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and

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the Healing Arts. We are

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your source for scientific knowledge and traditional

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wisdom to help you achieve optimal health.

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And now here is our host

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and producer Hilda Labrada-Gore. Hey,

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Hilda here. Holiday greetings and

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Happy New Year to you. This

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is our end of year gift to you,

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an episode highlighting the most popular podcast episodes

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of the year. It covers

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how to improve your sleep, why seed

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oils are so damaging, and critical information

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pertaining to the pharmaceutical industry and what

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they've been trying to keep under wraps.

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This is episode 454 and our guests

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today are Naomi Wolf, Sally

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Falimarelle and Devon Burke. Their

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interviews were the most listened to in 2023. Today

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we give you a taste of each one. First

1:02

off, we'll hear a portion of the interview with Naomi

1:04

Wolf about the surprising information revealed

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in the Pfizer documents. We'll

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follow that up with a segment with

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Sally Falimarelle, the president of the Weston

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A. Price Foundation. She covers how seed

1:15

oils are processed and why they are

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to be avoided at all costs. And

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batting cleanup, we'll hear a portion of

1:22

the interview with Devon Burke, the author

1:24

of The Sleep Advantage, who explains how

1:26

to sleep more soundly. If

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you've already heard these interviews the first time they

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were released, we invite you to listen to these

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segments and see what new information you can glean.

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If you haven't listened to the full episodes, you're in

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for a treat and we will put

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a link in the show description to each of

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the full-length episodes so you can go check them

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out whenever you'd like to. We

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the Senate to make it easy. decision

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of The Radical and you're listening to

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why certain. Groups

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get ruin. This. Is an excerpt

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from Episode four Twenty One Pfizer Documents

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Expos A with Naomi Wolf. Nail.

2:28

Me goes over what the analysis of the

2:30

size or documents revealed. Mulally.

2:33

That the company itself was well

2:35

aware. That the Am already

2:37

in Jackson was mentally. And assistance. but

2:39

that it was a host of troubling

2:41

signs. You

2:50

Do Teammates Were released in March.

2:52

Twenty Twenty two. Two crickets,

2:55

apparently. he. Why were

2:57

these papers overlooked by most people

2:59

and what was in that so

3:01

important breast know now get great

3:04

question. So these documents were relief

3:06

subsequent shoe a success. The lawsuit.

3:09

By. Ear and Fury and his from

3:11

and they were demanding the Pst

3:13

A which is actually the custodian

3:15

of the documents released. Them

3:17

all and the judge agreed. And

3:19

this is very fortunate because those

3:21

arguments are historic and they represent

3:24

the their record of the greatest

3:26

crime in human. History so it

3:28

was crickets from They were first released

3:30

because. It very difficult to understand

3:32

and also there so voluminous. They're

3:34

written in a scientific language, which

3:36

you really need to be a

3:38

specialist to interpret. And also there

3:40

were tens and tens and tens

3:42

of thousands of documents. So I

3:44

knew that we were looking at

3:46

a journalistic black hole because. Laid

3:49

journalists couldn't understand was his documents and either

3:51

they were gonna come and go. So we

3:53

put out a call on actually an Sti

3:55

finance war room which one. Of these

3:57

samples of the mini surprising ally

4:00

it says that have been created

4:02

in these crazy times and t

4:04

his credit he he has supported

4:06

us. Asking for basically crowdsourced interpretation

4:08

of these documents. And so we

4:11

thought initially. twenty five hundred Him.

4:13

Now Thirty Five Hundred. Experts.

4:16

Ranging. From bio statisticians

4:18

to. Positions in our

4:20

ends to medical fraud investigators

4:22

as dollar just cardiologist, research

4:24

scientists, biologists to review the

4:26

documents and to create what

4:28

are now sixty two reports

4:31

explaining to people in lay

4:33

language what they so. In

4:35

the bottom line is that they show As

4:37

said, And I don't seem slightly

4:39

the greatest crime against humanity ever. Wow.

4:43

That sink in for a minute.

4:45

The greatest crime against humanity ever

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thought as a powerful statement. And

4:49

let's dive into it. And now

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me, because people are eager. To

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know Am so grateful that you found

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this. Group A Volunteer experts from

4:58

around the world has analyze these papers

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extensively and can give us some answers.

5:03

First of all, what evidence. Points.

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To the Sat at Pfizer New

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during a clinical trial that the

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covered nineteen. Am I in a saw?

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It was harmful. On a large

5:14

scale or would be harmful on a large

5:16

scale. That's a great push legally because. It's

5:18

one thing is they were just and a

5:20

greedy and clueless and the science cheese but

5:23

it's a whole other level of criminality. If.

5:25

They saw the harms and kept going

5:27

or even intend to the harms so

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in don't feed my word for it

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applies Documents reports you now in a

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book. You can order them on Amazon

5:36

and. See for yourself, but

5:38

there is no way anyone looking

5:40

at these documents can conclude that

5:43

Pfizer did not intend to murder

5:45

sterilizing mean people on a massive

5:47

scale. There's no way. I mean,

5:49

let me just give you a

5:51

couple of examples. A month after

5:54

the rollout, the Mass Rollout network

5:56

Sat Nov. twenty Twenty Five years

5:58

own internal. Data. showed that

6:00

the vaccines did not treat COVID,

6:02

that they were useless. In fact, the

6:05

language that Pfizer uses is vaccine

6:07

failure and failure of

6:09

efficacy. Unbelievably, I know

6:12

you will not believe this. If you think that's best, the

6:15

number three side effect of

6:17

being injected with Pfizer vaccine that they

6:19

knew a month after rollout is

6:21

COVID. Ah, third most likely bad

6:23

thing that can happen to you after getting

6:26

injected. They knew this a month after rollout

6:28

is that you will get COVID. So

6:30

these vaccines never worked as promised to

6:33

do what they were claimed to do

6:35

from the very beginning, but that did

6:37

not cause this company to stop. They

6:40

just kept going. They knew

6:42

by four months later that the

6:44

vaccines were causing heart damage in

6:46

minors. They knew that 35 minors

6:48

had sustained heart damage within a

6:51

week after having been injected. And

6:53

they knew that. And they pushed

6:55

nonetheless at that time for a

6:57

medical and emergency use authorization to

7:00

inject minors. So I mean, you've

7:02

got to understand what I'm saying.

7:04

Their internal documents showed that 35

7:06

minors had been injured with heart

7:08

damage. And that was the time that

7:11

they kept pushing, pushing for an

7:13

EUA. And then they got it

7:15

from minors. And then not till

7:17

four months later after a giant

7:19

summer long campaign to inject your minor

7:22

and inject your minor with their press release from the

7:24

government saying, oh, there may be an elevated risk

7:26

of myocarditis. So they knew we keep going. This

7:28

is what I was going to ask you next.

7:30

OK, obviously, we know the big pharmaceutical

7:33

companies have a financial incentive to keep

7:35

pushing their product and making billions of

7:37

dollars. But why would the media not

7:39

make more of a stink of this

7:42

once the Pfizer papers were released? I

7:44

can tell you that sadly. So in

7:46

my book, The Bodies of Others, I

7:48

really follow the money trail. So basically

7:51

Pfizer with its ally China and

7:53

their allied World Health Organization, the

7:55

World Economic Forum and the Bill

7:57

and Melinda Gates Foundation. And

8:00

so this took place through millions of dollars from

8:02

the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They're

8:06

invested in the vaccines, right, to fund,

8:08

quote, unquote, health coverage or COVID coverage.

8:12

So basically, the Guardian,

8:14

the BBC, you know,

8:16

NPR, all the legacy media

8:19

that we have learned to trust took the money and

8:23

therefore couldn't or wouldn't, because the

8:25

money would dry up, run

8:27

anything critical about any

8:29

side effects, problems, questions. And

8:32

they participated in smearing people

8:34

like me, other doctors, Dr.

8:36

Mercola early on, their voices that

8:39

arose and tried to raise, you know, Robert

8:41

Kennedy, certainly, Jr. tried to

8:43

raise questions about this normal questions,

8:45

normal journalistic questions. And

8:47

the other reason is our own

8:49

taxpayer money, because in the CARES

8:51

Act in 2021, a billion

8:54

dollars went to overcoming vaccine

8:56

hesitancy through a program to

8:59

pay off trusted messengers. And

9:01

this was so demonically brilliant. They

9:04

basically bought up every trusted influencer

9:06

in our society, including

9:08

churches and synagogues, pop

9:11

culture icons on Instagram,

9:13

food writers, Broadway shows,

9:15

like tiny little dance

9:17

troupes in Koreatown, you know, like

9:19

the list of people, I mean, from the

9:22

very top to the very bottom, the list

9:24

of people who took money, like, Columbia

9:26

County Tourism, like every single thing

9:28

back to 2021. Suddenly,

9:31

there were all these little I mean, I

9:33

remember thinking, this is so weird when

9:35

my synagogue sent me a Jewish life

9:37

in the Hudson Valley magazine with two

9:39

little masked five year old girls on

9:41

the cover. And organically,

9:43

this would never happen, right? And

9:46

then I began to see all of these

9:48

local organizations saying you can't come in

9:50

without a vaccine, you have to shave

9:52

vaccine passports, and organically, that would never

9:54

happen. Well, they all took the money

9:56

and the money flowed like

9:58

crazy up there. and down the food

10:01

chain. So, I mean, it's

10:03

absolutely heartbreaking. I remember an

10:05

influencer, I mean, I could say her name,

10:08

but she, I knew her since

10:10

she was a young woman and I knew her son and

10:13

her son was now 15 during the summer of

10:15

2021. And she's like, I'm so

10:17

excited. I just took my son to get injected.

10:19

And all I did was tweet to her and

10:21

she said this on Twitter, you know

10:23

that the clinical trials will not be complete

10:26

till 2023. And

10:28

she like accused me of harassing her child

10:31

and calling me names. And like, these are

10:33

the influencers like, no, like I'm not trying

10:35

to single her up, but to the level

10:37

of people being paid to our call people

10:40

names on Twitter, right? It was down to

10:42

that level of money flowed. Yeah. So that's

10:44

what happened, you know, and to those of us, I

10:46

mean, it wasn't just rewards, it was also punishments.

10:49

I, you know, did what I've done for 35 years. You

10:52

know what I'm going to say. I called detention in

10:54

June of 2021 to the fact that women

10:58

were having menstrual symptoms as

11:00

eyewitness reports on Twitter. And I'm

11:02

a big believer in when women

11:04

kind of volunteer information and

11:07

it confirms other information that women also

11:09

volunteer. That's a signal you should pay

11:11

attention. And women were

11:14

reporting weird bad things happening to

11:16

their menstrual cycles. And you and

11:18

I know you don't have to be a

11:20

weirdo hippie to know that a healthy menstrual

11:22

cycle is a prime sign

11:25

of a healthy woman and that if your menstrual

11:27

cycle is impaired, something's probably

11:29

wrong. So I just reported

11:32

on this very, very neutrally

11:34

and I got deplatformed,

11:37

but not just deplatformed, this

11:39

kind of global attack on my

11:41

reputation in news site after

11:43

news site around the world in the same

11:45

language, telling the same kind of lies and

11:47

distortions. So this is what they're able to

11:49

do now. And it turned out, you know,

11:52

we now know through other FOIA requests that

11:54

that was the result of our White House

11:56

colluding with our CDC and

11:58

our CHM. and

12:01

the Justice Department and the

12:03

Census Bureau, all these agencies and

12:05

our federal government to single out

12:07

that tweet of mine. It's in

12:09

our White House documents that Naomi

12:12

Wolf, which is an accurate tweet, is

12:14

like there's this whole network of people

12:17

unconstitutionally, unlawfully collaborating to say, okay, get

12:19

rid of this. Take care of this.

12:21

Be on the lookout. It was a

12:24

bolo, like I'm a criminal fugitive. Be

12:26

on the lookout. By asking a

12:28

simple question or making a simple statement, a

12:30

factual statement at that. Well, this is what

12:32

occurs to me right now. First

12:34

of all, this is quite alarming, and I

12:37

hope people rewind and listen again from the

12:39

top because there's a lot to digest here.

12:41

But second of all, even if

12:44

many people were part of a campaign of

12:46

collusion to persuade the public to get this

12:48

vaccine, I believe there must have been some

12:50

good-hearted people in the mix. Tell me if

12:53

you think this is true, Naomi, who simply

12:55

thought this really is best for humanity. It

12:57

really is best for the public health. Don't

13:00

you think so? I mean, not at Pfizer,

13:02

you know, not at the FDA. I'm sorry.

13:04

You can't look. You know, I haven't even

13:06

begun to tell you what's in these documents,

13:08

but there's a 360-degree attack on human reproduction.

13:11

There are pages. There's a section where

13:13

over 80% of the women who are

13:16

pregnant, over 80% sustain

13:18

spontaneous abortion or miscarriage.

13:21

There's a section where Pfizer

13:23

is defining exposure to

13:26

the vaccine as inhalation,

13:28

skin contact, or sexual

13:30

intercourse, especially at conception.

13:32

In other words, a vaccinated male

13:35

to an unvaccinated female is exposing

13:37

her through his semen, presumably, to

13:39

the vaccine. So they knew

13:41

something very bad was being

13:44

transmitted through vaccinated men's semen,

13:46

through bodily fluids. There's

13:48

a section where there's a chart

13:50

that in the Pfizer documents where

13:52

20 horrible things

13:55

that can happen to women's menstrual cycles

13:57

are listed in scientific language. There

14:00

are tens of thousands of numbers in each

14:02

category. Check out the entire

14:04

episode, Wise Traditions podcast 421, Fizer documents exposé.

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to Wise Tradition. People

15:45

say, well, where should I start? How do I

15:48

change my diet? Where should I start? I always

15:50

say, get your fats right first. So

15:52

that means get all these industrial fats

15:54

and oils out of your kitchen and

15:56

use the traditional fats. So I guess

15:59

we're gonna start. We'll see. what are

16:01

these, That's what else can ask you.

16:03

So these are. Oils they

16:05

come from: hard seeds,

16:08

In the past so we couldn't get oils out

16:10

of the seeds and we could get oil out

16:12

of. Oil. He sees like

16:14

sesame or flax. Seeds is not

16:16

very hard and traditionally they were

16:19

removed with a stone press. but

16:21

mostly we ate animal fats or

16:23

fruit oil, olives and palm fruit

16:25

date for in farm fruits or

16:27

fruit oils and they're very oily

16:29

foods as easy give the oil

16:31

that them. So in the late

16:33

eighteen hundreds they had this waste

16:35

that I was cotton seeds because

16:38

they were growing cotton. Them as

16:40

seeds were removed images of piles

16:42

gotten seeds. And while

16:44

they invented the stainless steel roll

16:46

press, And they could put the

16:48

cottonseed through this roller press and I got

16:50

the oil out to. So this is the

16:52

first vegetable oil and. Only

16:54

a madman would think you could

16:57

eat as oil because smell to

16:59

high heaven. And it was black

17:01

is black and gundy. Look like

17:03

car oil or tar or something.

17:05

but the experts and food technology

17:07

over the years figures out how

17:09

to refine the soil. It's the

17:11

same processor use for petroleum products.

17:13

Oh these the same equipment. And.

17:16

The oil is heated side time

17:18

to very high temperatures during this

17:21

process and chemicals or added. It's.

17:23

Bleeds to get rid of the. Dark.

17:26

Color and and very strong anti

17:28

oxidants or added Because the thing

17:31

with these liquid vegetable oils is

17:33

that they break down easily. Are.

17:36

Saturated fats don't break down the

17:38

very stable and so use in

17:40

the them without problems but the

17:42

vegetable oils breakdown so they have

17:44

to use these antioxidants and things

17:47

and then after all of this

17:49

processing they tell us to cook

17:51

with these or else are. We

17:53

fry with them. These that

17:55

spoils the day they come. Not.

17:58

so much from cottonseed But

18:00

from soy, corn, canola,

18:03

these kinds of seeds. Yeah,

18:05

I was gonna say I never see

18:07

cotton seed oil on the supermarket shelves.

18:10

Well, it might be there because if they say vegetable

18:12

oil, it could be cotton seed oil. Yeah,

18:15

that's what I was trying to get at, that

18:17

it is mislabeled and it says vegetable

18:19

oil. So you can't really know. Yeah,

18:21

and they shouldn't even call it a vegetable oil. It

18:23

doesn't come out of vegetables. Comes out

18:26

of seeds. I mean, the accurate

18:28

term is industrial seed oils. And

18:31

Crisco, by the way, was the

18:33

first commercial product made from cotton

18:35

seeds. It stands for crystallized cotton

18:37

seed oil. In addition

18:40

to all that processing, they then

18:42

do something called partial hydrogenation, which

18:44

actually rearranges the structure of

18:46

the liquid oil and makes it

18:48

hard at room temperature. Partially

18:51

hydrogenated cotton seed oil was originally

18:53

used to make candles. And

18:55

then with the invention of electricity, people

18:58

didn't buy candles anymore. And the inventors of

19:00

this process, Procter and Gamble, they were originally

19:02

a candlemaker. They thought, well, what are we

19:05

gonna do with all this stuff? And, oh,

19:07

let's feed it to people. So with no

19:09

ones about what would have actually been good

19:11

for people or harmful for people. That's

19:14

so right. People have no idea.

19:16

I think they're very unaware of

19:18

the harm it causes. And it's kind of insidious.

19:21

Wouldn't you agree? It's insidious

19:23

because the changes take place over a

19:25

long time and especially with the next

19:28

generation. They are not

19:30

carrying the components and the vitamins

19:32

that we need in our diet

19:34

to have healthy babies. And

19:36

one of the first consequences is

19:39

that children need braces. Because

19:41

in the past, we used lard

19:43

and butter and meat fat and

19:46

so forth. And these had the

19:48

fat-soluble vitamins that we need

19:50

to have nice white pallets in our children.

19:53

So the growth of the orthodontics

19:55

industry is one sign of the

19:57

terrible effects of these oils. And

20:00

the seed oils, not only do they not contain

20:03

the vitamins that kids

20:05

need, but they contain harmful

20:07

ingredients. Number one, they cause cancer.

20:10

The fragile oils, highly processed,

20:13

contain breakdown products called

20:15

aldehydes. The one that

20:17

you may know of is formaldehyde is

20:19

very toxic. So these aldehydes are

20:21

very toxic and they get in the body

20:23

and they, over time, they just

20:26

poison you. And cancer

20:28

is so huge. It is

20:30

especially big among children, it seems

20:32

like, and in developed

20:35

countries where these seed oils are used.

20:38

Yeah, but now the oils are everywhere. They're

20:40

in all parts of the globe. I remember

20:42

seeing an article in the Washington Post years

20:44

ago about how China wanted to shut down

20:47

outdoor food markets. They

20:49

said, we want to have modern supermarkets, okay? So they

20:51

showed this picture of somebody with a shopping

20:53

cart and in back of her was all

20:56

the vegetable oils. So

20:59

at the outdoor markets, they were

21:01

getting lard and coconut oil

21:03

and fats like that. Stuck fat

21:05

was another very nutritious fat and

21:09

they wanted to push people to buy in the

21:11

supermarket so they would buy the vegetable oils. Because

21:14

they make a pretty penny off of that. Oh,

21:17

they're extremely profitable. Any

21:20

plant food is much more profitable than an animal

21:22

food. And now China

21:24

has the same health problems that we do. It

21:26

doesn't show up immediately. I mean, you don't

21:28

just drop dead if you eat some french

21:30

fries. But over time,

21:32

it's just very, as you say,

21:34

it's insidious. The effects on the

21:37

cell membranes, on the cells, on

21:39

hormone production, on enzyme receptors,

21:42

all of these things just kind of get messed

21:44

up with the industrial fats and oils. And

21:47

the first disease you mentioned was cancer.

21:50

What are some of the other effects of

21:52

the issues you were just describing?

21:55

Less robust children, braces,

21:58

and then over a couple of generations

22:00

you get infertility, difficulty in

22:03

conceiving. Diabetes is

22:05

a side effect of the trampsats. Now, I

22:07

will say this, that now we know

22:09

that trampsats are bad. They have been

22:11

more or less taken out of the

22:13

food supply, but they've been replaced with

22:15

the liquid oils, and the liquid oils

22:17

are more dangerous in a way, yes.

22:20

Heart disease, I mean, heart

22:22

disease has climbed as

22:25

the vegetable oil use has climbed, and

22:28

the marketing of the vegetables was

22:31

very clever. They said that

22:33

the vegetable oils are going to prevent heart

22:35

disease because they don't

22:37

contain any cholesterol or saturated fat. And

22:40

so that's when we got this demonization

22:42

of cholesterol and saturated fat, which are

22:44

essential for life, essential for good health,

22:47

essential for having healthy babies, and

22:50

we have demonized the very things that we

22:52

actually need in our food. And

22:55

we're suffering so? Everything

22:58

from the use of the seed oils is

23:00

horrendous, and little by little

23:02

people are waking up, individuals

23:05

are finding out and going back

23:07

to the animal fats and olive

23:09

oil for your salad dressing, but avoiding

23:12

these industrial fats and oils. But

23:14

the agencies, the dieticians

23:17

and the Heart Association and

23:19

the government, they're still

23:21

sticking to their story that

23:24

we shouldn't eat animal fats and we

23:26

should eat these polyunsaturated oils. Do

23:29

you think these seed oils also contribute to

23:31

obesity? Absolutely. We

23:33

know that both the trans fats and

23:36

the vegetable oils. Not sure

23:38

what the mechanism is, but one of

23:40

the things that happens when

23:42

you eat industrial seed oils is

23:44

it interferes with thyroid function. So

23:47

your metabolism is not as robust, your

23:50

fire isn't burning as well. So

23:53

you'll gain weight more easily. And

23:56

is that one reason you think children

23:59

just don't like it? seem as energetic to me

24:02

anymore. Yeah, I

24:04

know. Yeah, absolutely. They

24:06

don't have the energy, they become obese, it's

24:08

hard for them to concentrate, their brains don't

24:10

work as well. I mean, we

24:12

need animal fats for our brain. I'm

24:15

still kind of stuck on the obesity thing,

24:17

Sally, because I read something recently about the

24:20

FDA possibly approving gastric

24:22

bypass surgery for children

24:24

who are obese. Instead

24:26

of looking at the solution of, or

24:29

the reason behind why these kids might

24:31

actually be getting heavier in the first

24:33

place. I mean, when you

24:35

look at old black and white pictures of

24:38

people in America, we ate more calories in

24:40

those days. Typical diet was 3000 calories

24:42

a day. We

24:44

ate potatoes, we ate bread, we

24:46

ate butter, but you don't see

24:48

obesity in the old photos. You

24:50

see slender people. And we had sugar

24:52

too. People ate a lot of sugar. I'm

24:54

not saying sugar is good, but it's not

24:56

the worst thing in the diet. The worst

24:59

thing are these seed oils. Check

25:01

out the entire episode, Wise Traditions podcast

25:03

number 406 with

25:06

Sally Fallon-Rael called Avoid

25:08

Seed Oils. Finally

25:17

we showcase an excerpt from episode 403, Better Sleep

25:19

with Devon Burke. Devon

25:22

highlights why we struggle so much to

25:24

get deep restorative sleep. He even

25:26

offers tips for how to turn things

25:28

around. Excited to

25:30

talk sleep with you.

25:36

Yay, me too. Okay,

25:39

now most of us drag ourselves

25:41

out of bed, grab

25:43

a cup of coffee, struggle to make

25:45

it through the day and everybody seems

25:47

to be exhausted to be honest with

25:49

you. And then they have

25:51

trouble falling asleep. What is going on? Yeah,

25:54

it's a huge, huge problem for so many

25:56

people. And if you go in any public

25:58

place, whether it's... airport, you just see

26:00

people, they look tired. That's because they are. A big

26:03

part of this is the relationship between

26:05

stress and sleep, which they're bi-directionally linked.

26:08

So the more stress you experience, the less rest

26:11

you experience, the less rest you experience, the

26:13

more stress you experience physically, mentally,

26:15

emotionally. So people get stuck on this

26:17

loop where they're stressed, so they're

26:19

not sleeping, and they're not sleeping,

26:21

and their body's more stressed. And then all in

26:24

all, it goes until hopefully you listen to this

26:26

podcast and do some of the things that we're

26:28

going to talk about to get

26:30

out of that paradox because it's just not fun.

26:32

It affects every important area of your life. Oh

26:34

my gosh, Devin, you're the first

26:36

person who has ever talked about

26:38

that relationship between stress and sleep

26:41

on this podcast. I hadn't thought about that before.

26:43

Yeah, I mean, it's honestly, I see

26:45

it more. It's so, so, so common.

26:48

People don't, for whatever reason, they

26:50

just tend to focus on just what's going on at

26:52

night. And great night of sleep happens as soon as

26:55

you wake up. Everything you do throughout your entire day

26:57

is going to dictate whether you're going to get a

26:59

peaceful night rest, and that peaceful night rest is going

27:01

to affect everything the next day. So you can't really

27:03

separate your day from your night. It's

27:05

really important for people to, you know, for

27:07

that to land for people. Yes, and when

27:10

you say you can't separate your day from

27:12

your night, it makes me think about how

27:14

some people do wake up in the middle of the

27:16

night, and they're trying to resolve

27:18

a problem or remembering some difficult moment from

27:20

their day, right? And so they can't go

27:22

back to sleep because they're so worried. So

27:25

in that way, they may understand

27:27

that on that level. 100%. And that is

27:29

so common. People often say, when you ask the

27:31

question, why do you have trouble sleeping? Well, I

27:33

have a racing mind at night. And

27:35

that either gets in the way of me being

27:37

able to initiate sleep, which will sleep latency or

27:39

stay asleep. And people wake up

27:42

and then they start thinking about all the

27:44

woodas and the kuddas and the shuddas. And

27:46

next thing you know, the body is releasing

27:48

cortisol and adrenaline and now your body's at

27:50

threat and a body at right is not

27:52

going to sleep because it thinks that it

27:54

needs to be awake for survival.

27:56

And so many people find themselves in

27:58

the situation that So let's

28:01

talk about how we can lower our

28:03

stress level to make that sleep more

28:06

peaceful and restorative. So

28:08

something I always like to share is

28:11

just really simple, tactical what you could do

28:13

tonight. We'll just start there. Yes.

28:16

I call it three, two, one sleep. So three hours

28:18

before bed, you want to stop eating. And

28:20

the reason is you don't want to be

28:22

digesting food when that first quarter of the

28:25

night, that's when you're getting into these deeper

28:27

stages of sleep, this body restoration. And you

28:29

want your body's energy to be cleaning up

28:31

the cancerous cells, flushing out the beta amyl,

28:34

the plaque, all the things that the body

28:36

does during this important stage of sleep. You

28:38

want that taking place. You don't want the

28:40

blood going to the digestive system to try

28:43

to digest. Trying to sleep

28:45

and digest at the same time is not a really

28:47

good combo. So two hours before

28:49

bed, stop working. This

28:51

is a huge one, especially since so many

28:53

people now work from home, we often take

28:55

our day into our night and there needs

28:57

to be a buffer, what we call a

28:59

bed buffer between your day and your night

29:01

because the brain, you can't just turn the

29:04

brain off. It doesn't work like that. There

29:06

needs to be space. And

29:09

so two hours before bed, stop working in

29:11

one hour before bed, that's when you would

29:13

start a nighttime routine or a nighttime ritual

29:15

that doesn't involve technology because for so many

29:18

reasons, one, the blue light gets

29:20

in the way of the natural amount of tone

29:22

of production, but also the hyper arousal from the

29:24

devices and the shows that most people

29:26

watch, especially the news, which is like the worst

29:29

thing to watch while you're in

29:31

bed or right before you go to bed.

29:33

So three, two, one sleep. It's really simple

29:36

and it's easy for people to remember and apply.

29:38

Yeah. And I want to focus

29:40

on this last bit, the bedtime routine that

29:42

has nothing to do with tech because think

29:44

about how you would put your kids to bed.

29:47

You would read them some books. There would be

29:49

a bath. There was a ritual that we performed

29:51

with them to help them prepare for sleep. They

29:53

know, okay, first it's a bath, then it's a

29:56

story, then it's a song, then it's a prayer

29:58

with some kids. This can get elongated. The

30:00

point is their bodies would know, oh, when

30:03

this happens, I'm starting to wind down, I'm

30:05

starting to get ready to rest. But as

30:07

adults, we don't do that. We

30:09

don't. We tell a story that we don't have

30:11

the time, and that's a story.

30:13

You have to make the time. You have to prioritize

30:16

and protect that important aspect of your

30:18

time so that you can get the rest

30:20

you need to get up and do it

30:22

again. So yeah, if you treat yourself like

30:24

you would treat your children, that's great head

30:27

time routine. If you're in a

30:29

hot bath, that's going to drop the core body temperature

30:31

when you get out of the bath and we need

30:33

that temperature to drop two to three degrees Fahrenheit

30:35

for sleep to happen. So that's going

30:38

to support that. The reading is going to

30:40

help get our minds off of the

30:42

day's worries and troubles. So that's

30:45

treat yourself like you would treat your kids and you're

30:47

definitely going to sleep better without a doubt. And

30:50

think about this, Devin, how kids are like, but

30:52

wait, we want to keep playing, but wait, we

30:54

want to watch this show. And you're

30:56

like, no, it's time for this, you know,

30:58

but we don't do that for ourselves. Oh,

31:00

wait, I have to clean the kitchen. I

31:02

don't want to go to bed with one

31:04

dirty dish in the sink or oh, I

31:06

have one more email I got to shoot

31:09

out. It's like, no, no, let's be kind

31:11

to ourselves. Now let's go back to what

31:13

you were saying at the top about insufficient

31:15

sleep that most of us are running around

31:17

tired and exhausted. What happens

31:19

to us when we are in that

31:21

cycle, when we're stressed and we're not getting enough

31:23

restorative sleep? What are the effects on the body?

31:25

Yeah, so literally, there's not an

31:28

important area of your life that's

31:30

not affected. So from a physical

31:32

health and longevity standpoint, unfortunately, when

31:34

you're consistently sleep deprived, it increases

31:36

your risk of literally every major

31:38

disease from heart disease, cancer, diabetes,

31:42

Alzheimer's, all of

31:44

the big ones, your risk for developing

31:46

those diseases is enhanced.

31:49

So that's first and foremost, because

31:51

it's during the night when our body's immune system

31:53

is most active, and we all have cancerous cells

31:55

in our body. And it's

31:57

during the night when those cancerous cells are getting

31:59

cleared out. out. And you know, topology is happening,

32:01

our body's sort of clearing out

32:03

all of the damage. So if we're

32:05

not getting enough time in bed and

32:08

not enough quality sleep, which

32:10

we can talk about what that actually means,

32:12

our body's not able to clean up the

32:14

garbage throughout the night. And then this impacts

32:16

our health in the long run, not to

32:18

mention the impact on our hormones. So

32:21

specifically insulin, there's studies that show

32:23

that even after one night of

32:26

sleeping, you know, between four to

32:28

five hours, your insulin, you could

32:30

look like pre diabetic, because your

32:32

insulin is totally thrown off, your

32:35

cortisol levels are increased, and that's

32:37

the stress hormone. And so

32:39

and then girl and leptin, which are those

32:41

signaling hormones for hey, I'm full or I'm

32:44

hungry, they get thrown off. So you're craving

32:46

sugar and fat like crazy, and your

32:49

body doesn't know when you're full. So

32:51

it's just really a recipe for for

32:53

weight gain, and bad decision making, which

32:55

leads us into the next area

32:57

that's impacted is our cognitive function. Oh,

33:00

of course. But I want to pause there for a second

33:02

because I'm thinking about something I've heard. And

33:04

I know you can't believe everything you read on

33:06

the internet or, or see

33:08

there. But somebody was saying that if you

33:10

have a choice between going to the gym

33:12

late at night, or going to sleep, go

33:15

to sleep. And I feel like that's a little

33:17

bit of what you were saying there. 100%.

33:20

Well, if you go to the gym too late, unfortunately,

33:22

that will affect your sleep. Because

33:24

what controls our sleep is our body temperature

33:26

and light. And so by exercising too close

33:28

to bedtime, it actually heats the body up

33:30

and the body temperature needs to drop for

33:32

sleep to happen. So that's why they say

33:34

have a cold dark room, which will absolutely

33:36

improve your sleep like sleeping in a cave,

33:38

because that helps you get into the deeper

33:41

stages of sleep. So that leads us to

33:43

the quality of sleep that you wanted to touch

33:45

on. So I used to always sleep soundly, not

33:47

a lot of tossing and turning, not a lot

33:49

of moving all night long. But I'm not sure

33:51

that my sleep was always

33:53

restorative, that it was as profound as

33:55

it needed to be. What

33:57

are some of the metrics? we

34:00

can measure that? How can we know that

34:02

our sleep is as restorative and effective at

34:04

all the things you were discussing, autophagy, kind

34:06

of working on taking care of us on

34:09

a cellular level? How can we know that

34:11

it's doing that? Is there a

34:13

way to know? Yeah. So now there's

34:15

amazing tracking devices that do a

34:17

really good job of showing us

34:19

how well we're sleeping. Now, these devices are

34:22

not perfect, but they are

34:24

getting better and better as

34:26

technology continues to improve. And

34:29

so measuring your sleep is a great way

34:31

of understanding at a deeper level. It'll show

34:33

the device that we use at Sleep Science

34:35

Academy is the Ora Ring, which

34:37

is a ring you wear on your finger. Okay,

34:39

there you have one. I do. That's

34:41

going to measure your body temperature, your heart

34:43

rate, heart rate variability. That's going to measure

34:45

the different stages of sleep, which deep Delta

34:47

sleep or REM sleep, when we talk about

34:49

quality, we want 20% of our

34:52

total sleep time to be in

34:54

that deep Delta sleep or that REM sleep.

34:56

Those are like the really important stages of

34:58

sleep. Of course, you got to get through

35:00

the initial stages of sleep to get to

35:02

those stages. But people are

35:04

always surprised when they actually start to

35:06

consistently measure their sleep, how

35:08

little deep sleep and REM sleep they're

35:10

actually getting. And this is

35:12

because of a variety of factors that we

35:14

could talk about. But when we talk about

35:16

quality of sleep, that's what we're talking about.

35:19

Right. You want to be in that restorative

35:22

REM or the deep sleep like you were

35:24

discussing. And if people don't have a device

35:26

to measure, I think you can also tell

35:28

by how fatigued you are in the

35:30

day. Yeah. Why is it if

35:33

you're in bed eight hours and you're like, okay, I've got

35:35

a good eight hours sleep that you're still tired. You still

35:37

need your coffee. You still need something to kind of wake

35:39

you up in the middle of the afternoon. That

35:41

means something's off. And so you might want

35:43

to pay attention to the bedtime ritual, as

35:45

you were mentioning, to your sleep hygiene, to

35:47

the temperature in your room, all those things

35:49

that will be a factor in the profundity

35:51

of your sleep. A hundred percent. And

35:53

you can't master what you're not measuring.

35:55

So it's worth the investment to get

35:57

even if it's an Apple watch. or

36:00

it doesn't have to be an o-ring, just have

36:02

something that's going to help you measure your sleep

36:04

so that you can see the impact when you

36:06

make the lifestyle changes and the behavior changes, how

36:08

that impacts your sleep and then you can start

36:10

to correlate, wow, I did this, I slept better

36:13

and I felt better. And then that becomes a

36:15

new habit and you have the momentum and the

36:17

motivation to continue those healthy lifestyle habits.

36:20

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36:22

Traditions Podcast 403,

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