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Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok

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F Daily with Meet your Girl Danielle

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Moody recording from the

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Home Bunker. Folks, I

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got to start out with actually

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something really funny and good,

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which you know is a

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rarity these days, but in

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the way of these

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racist white governors

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banning any form of diversity,

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equity and inclusion and all

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of this racism that

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we're seeing because I'm not going to call it pushback and

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I'm not going to provide euphemisms for it

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in the way that mainstream media

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does, which is absolute bullshit. When you

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have fucking white people in power

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deciding that no one can

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have access to anything

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other than other white people, that is called white

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supremacy, plain and simple. But

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long fucking live Black Twitter.

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I don't give a fuck what you call Elon

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Musk's broke down platform.

1:12

But this is why folks

1:15

like Elon Musk and others

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want to discredit,

1:21

dismember communication

1:24

and social media and just create

1:27

a on ramp for

1:29

racist and anti semites. And

1:31

the rest is because after

1:35

the horrific bridge

1:37

collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge

1:40

in Baltimore, which I

1:43

went to school in the DMV

1:45

area, and when driving

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back and forth to New York

1:50

from school, drove over that bridge.

1:52

I don't even know how many times over the

1:54

course of the years that

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I live down there, So to see

1:59

its collapse was incredibly

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jarring, right to say the least, and also

2:05

my own worst nightmare. I have such

2:07

fear of driving over bridges for this very

2:09

reason. But nonetheless, when

2:12

the Mayor of Baltimore, Brandon Scott,

2:15

young black man was

2:18

on the news speaking

2:21

alongside Wes Moore, the

2:23

Black Governor, MAGA

2:26

was losing its mind. Oh look at the DEI

2:28

mayor. And so black

2:30

Twitter has decided to

2:33

do exactly what it is that the

2:35

MAGA folks have wanted to

2:37

do and have done, And mainstream media has

2:39

been accomplices to the fact that

2:41

we know that DEI and woke

2:44

and critical race theory are

2:46

terms that they have used

2:48

to disguide the N word that they want

2:51

to fucking use. Right, So

2:53

instead of saying, oh, we're banning

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de and I, what they want to say is we're banning

2:58

N words from coming into our

3:00

state, from infiltrating our systems

3:03

of power, right, Like, oh, we don't

3:05

need no N words and blah blah

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blah, that's what the fuck they're doing. So

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Black Twitter. The reason

3:12

why dei was trending yesterday

3:16

brilliantly is because Black

3:18

Twitter turned it into the

3:21

biggest fucking joke

3:23

and open secret, which is what these

3:25

people are, a fucking joke.

3:28

And so you.

3:29

Had, you know, people using

3:33

dei instead of the N word

3:35

and seeing how well it fits in things,

3:37

and the memes and the tweets were

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fucking hysterical. And this

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is what I realized consistently

3:43

about white racists and

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why they hate black people and people of

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color and LGBTQ plus

3:50

people and everyone that's not white and straight

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insists is because particularly

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black people, because we will

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take your bullshit,

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write your fucking lies, your

4:02

stereotypes, your hate, and

4:04

we will turn it into something

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beautiful. We will turn it into art,

4:09

we will turn it into comedy, we will turn

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it into music. We will turn it into

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the fuel that lights us.

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And that is why white

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supremacists hate black

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folks and hate

4:22

people of color, and hate anybody

4:26

that doesn't look like them, love like them. What

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have you name it, but

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it is the beautiful brilliance

4:35

of black Twitter and black people.

4:38

It is a gift to be able

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to use write the

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weapons right that

4:45

your oppressors try

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and wield

4:50

at you and take

4:52

away all of its power. And

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so if you have not been

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on Twitter and seen DEI

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trending, go give yourself

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a good, hearty fucking laugh and

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head over to Black and witness the Black

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Twitter's brilliance because

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it is just beyond.

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And I say all that to say, folks,

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that you know what.

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And I want to share this post

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by Kazim Rashid, who posted

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on Threads yesterday

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as well and said this quote. Magas

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are labeling DEI as

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quote didn't earn it, which

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is wild because in reality,

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generating historic wealth through two

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billion acres of stolen land from Native

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Americans, enslaving black people

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for three hundred years, banning Asian

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immigration until nineteen sixty five,

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and banning women from financial access

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till nineteen seventy four, all

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without paying a single red cent and reparations

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or restitution, is the living,

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breathing example of

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not earning it. There

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you have it, dear friends. Right,

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we see what they are doing,

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so let's call it for what it is. Right.

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It is an assault on diversity, equity

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and inclusion. It is an assault on

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blackness. It is an assault on people

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of color. The

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election of Barack Obama had

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these motherfucker's brain break

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in half. And

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what do I mean by that? Because witnessing

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an exceptional, successful,

6:35

brilliant black

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family and black man ascend

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to the White House that was

6:44

built by enslaved Africans

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and do so by

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being celebrated around the

6:52

world and in this country, had

6:55

white supremacists, which

6:57

is roughly thirty to forty percent

6:59

of a Marriay lose their

7:02

mind and believe

7:04

that they were losing their hold

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in their power. So what do they have to

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do? They got to put up their fucking

7:10

worst, their whitest, most ignorant,

7:13

most racist, most misogynist, most

7:15

islamophobic, most transphobic, homophobic,

7:19

you name it that Donald

7:21

Trump represents to show

7:23

off right

7:26

that we can be sewer

7:28

scum. So long as we

7:30

are white, we will always hold power.

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And I'm telling you, folks, what we are

7:35

witnessing right now is

7:37

the crumbling of the lie

7:40

of American exceptionalism, of

7:42

the lie of post racial America,

7:46

of the lie. And the veils

7:48

are falling so that we can

7:50

see this country, this world

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for what it is. And yes, that

7:55

reality is indeed painful

7:58

because when you've been in esting right

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this sacraine of

8:04

American exceptionalism. Real food

8:06

doesn't taste good. Your

8:10

body has to adjust to that

8:13

reality. But

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it is reality none the fucking less.

8:19

And so I'm not going to pretend

8:23

right like mainstream media loves to do,

8:25

or we don't know what the fuck is in these people's hearts.

8:28

Yes we do, and

8:30

we've been known. You

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think these motherfuckers deserve the benefit of

8:36

the fucking doubt, miss me with it.

8:40

They are racist. They are white

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supremacists. And when you are upholding

8:45

and shutting off space and

8:48

opportunity for anybody who is

8:50

not white, that is white supremacy.

8:52

We will call it by its name, whether

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it's DEI or it's woke or

8:58

its critical race. What it

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is is their desire to

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uphold their power. And I'm telling you

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it don't matter. At

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the end of the day, they are

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going to lose.

9:16

They are going to lose.

9:21

These are the last gasps and

9:23

breaths, but

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they are going to lose.

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And I will laugh, I

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will laugh, and we will laugh

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at the bonfire that they created.

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Do not get it twisted. The

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days may be dark, my friends, but we still

9:47

remain the light coming

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up next, my conversation

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with a new voice to

9:56

wok F Daily, Lark Lewis.

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Lark Lewis is the co host of Hearsay,

10:02

which is produced in conjunction with

10:04

National Women's Law Center, and

10:07

on each episode of Hearsay, their

10:09

multi generational hosts discuss

10:11

how gender, power and the law

10:14

impact pop culture. Lark

10:17

is their millennial host of

10:19

the show and she assists with content

10:21

production on the centers social media

10:24

and digital channels. I really

10:26

enjoyed this conversation a

10:28

lot. It is great when we have the

10:30

opportunity to bring in fresh voices.

10:32

Took F. So I

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hope you all enjoy my conversation

10:37

with Lark Lewis. Coming up

10:39

next, folks,

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I am very excited to welcome

10:47

to OKAF Daily for the very first time

10:50

Lark Lewis, who is one of the co

10:52

hosts of the podcast Hearsay

10:56

at the National Women Law Center that

10:59

looks at really how

11:01

reality TV, how pop culture, how

11:04

our depictions of gender have

11:06

really affected our views,

11:09

our politics, and our perception.

11:11

I guess in a lot of ways, I would say of safety,

11:14

right, And when I talk about safety, I mean like

11:16

our safety inside of a democratic

11:18

system, right, Our

11:20

safety in terms of understanding the rule

11:23

of law. So I want to

11:25

start off luck with you being able to

11:27

tell us more about Hearsay, and

11:29

then we can kind of jump right into where

11:31

we are, which is at I think another

11:35

real gender inflection point

11:37

as it pertains to women

11:40

and people with uteruses.

11:41

Yes, yes, Well, I first want to

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say thank you so much for having me on your show.

11:45

I'm a longtime listener, first time

11:47

caller, as they say, so I'm excited

11:50

to be here and chat all the things.

11:53

I feel like your show is like

11:55

my Obama anger translator, Like

11:58

everything you say on your show is in

12:00

my brain of what I want to say all the time. So

12:02

I'm super excited to be here.

12:05

It's been super fun to delve into this

12:07

world of podcasting with Hearsay

12:11

standard stuff. Go subscribe list and follow

12:13

all of the things. We've had so much

12:15

fun of making it and make those connections,

12:18

like you said, of the stuff we see

12:20

in media and in the world that we see

12:22

as just kind of fun and frivolous stuff

12:24

or escapism type media, and

12:27

bring that back to the work that we do because we

12:29

see it all the time. Working out the National Women's Laws

12:31

and they're like Oh, that actually is because

12:33

of this, that and the other, right, right, there's

12:35

a reason this is happening right now.

12:38

It's just harder and to come

12:40

up with those connections on your own, and oftentimes

12:42

so we don't really want to because that's it's

12:44

not fun to think about that. All of these things

12:46

have been planned for. They're happening

12:49

for a reason. All the bad things are

12:51

connected and a coordinated attack on

12:54

our safety.

12:55

Like you said, yeah, I think

12:57

that what is really interesting. You

13:00

know, I'm old enough to say that. I

13:02

remember how stories

13:05

of women of independence, of

13:07

you know, access and like exceptionalism

13:11

have changed over the

13:13

last you know, twenty years, right,

13:15

And you know, it's funny. There's

13:17

a site that I follow on Instagram

13:20

called like we Are the eighties and

13:23

there are shows that I remember as a kid, and

13:25

one of them was Kate and Alli. Yeah

13:27

and Kate Alley was a show of two best

13:29

friends that were both divorces

13:32

that needed to combine their resources

13:34

right move in together. Decided

13:36

to move in together and raise their kids together. And

13:39

at the time that that show came out, it was

13:41

I mean even still now saying like

13:43

what the description of the show was, it's pretty revolutionary,

13:46

right in terms of like essentially

13:49

showing what happens with women who

13:51

go through divorce, like the financial

13:54

dependence that many women at that

13:56

time and still now have on

13:58

in heterosexual relationships had on their

14:01

husbands, and you know, and

14:03

and what happens though when women decide to combine

14:05

forces and kind of go back to this place

14:07

that we originated from, which was the

14:10

village, raises the children and there

14:12

being more community and that shame

14:14

around what it means that, like you

14:16

were divorced in a marriage didn't work out. And so

14:19

my first question for you is that, like as

14:23

you look and you see and I remember again

14:26

the eighties, you had these shows of

14:28

women entering c suites, and you

14:30

know, there were movies with you know, Diane

14:33

Keaton and like being the mom but

14:35

being able to do everything and juggle it all,

14:37

and you know, women can have it all, and Virginia

14:39

Slims telling that's that if you smoke

14:42

cigarettes, right, there could

14:44

be that good independent woman. And

14:47

so I wonder from those kind

14:49

of depictions that we can have it all. And

14:52

then like the boss bitch mode, right,

14:54

which again like kind of you know,

14:56

was developing in the nineties, and then in

14:58

the early two thousand and then

15:01

we kind of are in this place of oh,

15:04

you can have it all but not at the same time, and

15:06

like, oh what does it mean to rest and

15:08

blah bah blah. So I'm just curious for you. There

15:12

is the girl Boss, the lie of the

15:14

girl Boss. It's

15:16

like all of these things that

15:19

are part of our politics in

15:22

terms of how we see women,

15:25

the value of women. So how

15:27

have you seen the transition over

15:29

the last like two decades or

15:31

so in TV and now

15:33

in streaming.

15:35

Yeah? Wow, I could talk about this for years

15:37

and years and years. We did an

15:39

episode about abortion stories specifically

15:42

in media, and one piece

15:45

of media we kind of looked at was the

15:47

mod Abortion episode. It was actually a two

15:49

parter and it was so revolutionary

15:52

at the time to have a woman openly

15:54

contemplated abortion. And in

15:56

that episode, New

15:59

York had just enshrining abortion

16:01

rights in the state at the time right after it came

16:03

out, and in it, her daughter's talking about,

16:06

Mom, you know, we have choices. It's this new

16:08

freedom. We can do what we want. You can make

16:10

this choice for yourself. And watching

16:12

that post the Fall of Row first

16:15

of all hit hard. It was like

16:17

almost too soon. You know, it was this such hopeful

16:19

moment, like you said, and I think we

16:21

saw that rise right when women were

16:23

allowed to get credit cards and open bank accounts

16:26

on their own, and you know, no fault divorces

16:28

started being legal across the country. We

16:30

saw this rise in this kind of girl

16:32

Boss Ally mcveale, Diane Keaton

16:35

kind of moment of like, you can do it

16:37

all, and like you said, it's the lie

16:39

of the girl boss, you can't do it

16:41

all in a sense that

16:43

we set you up and support you to do

16:45

that. Right. The village mentality is great if

16:47

you have friends and can revert

16:50

to that kind of counterculture way of raising

16:52

your family. And so many of our communities

16:54

are doing that, but they're not supported

16:56

by our governmental systems,

16:59

by our states systems. We're

17:02

seeing, you know, the lack of funding

17:04

in childcare. Right. We have this weird dichotomy

17:07

where elected officials

17:09

are criminalizing abortion and also

17:11

not supporting childcare, and they're not mutually exclusive.

17:14

You can do both. You should be able to

17:16

get an abortion and also be able to afford childcare.

17:19

But there's this fundamental rejection

17:23

I think at when we

17:25

look at funding and at the governmental level

17:27

of supporting women to quote do it

17:29

all. And I've kind

17:31

of seen a little bit of a backlasher

17:34

of boomerang whiplash back

17:36

on TikTok when we see these

17:39

quote unquote trad wives and oh yes,

17:41

you know the Nara Smiths and a

17:44

couple Ballerina farm women

17:46

like that who are working, right,

17:49

that's a job. Being a content creator, making

17:52

money off monetizing your

17:54

life on the internet is a job. And they're

17:56

not marketing it that way, right, there being these

17:58

pinnacles of femininity,

18:02

yeah, of just being at home raising their

18:04

kids, making food for their husbands, stuff

18:06

like that. And so

18:09

it's really really interesting to see

18:11

that even in that sense, they're being discounted,

18:14

right, They're not being looked at as workers or

18:16

women participating in the economy.

18:19

And I, yeah, I

18:21

have so much to say about it. I think it's

18:24

such a lie. We sell people, much

18:26

like capitalism, that you can do it all

18:28

and that you should be able to do it all and you should feel

18:30

bad if you can't do it all and

18:33

it's hard work, and we don't support women to

18:35

do that. And that's amazing.

18:37

You know, I love it that you said that, you know,

18:39

we should be able to do it all and then also

18:42

feel bad if you can't do it all right, because

18:44

that feeling bad part is really

18:46

placed on women, right, you know. And

18:48

I think back to right this month,

18:51

it is going to be four years since COVID, Right,

18:54

yeah, four years, and so

18:57

much has changed, and yet so much

18:59

has not changed at all.

19:01

But what we learned during that time, particularly

19:03

for those that had the privilege to stay and

19:05

work from home, was how

19:08

much was still on women to

19:10

do right, Like you are taken

19:12

now, you're the child's

19:15

teacher, you're the cook, this,

19:18

that and the other thing. And oh, by the way, I have seventeen

19:20

zoom meetings back to back because I'm

19:22

also an executive, right, And

19:26

you know, we saw two million women

19:28

leave the workforce during that time,

19:31

and I think that what was really important

19:34

is that without

19:37

the ability one to have

19:40

the economic ability to afford

19:42

the help right in so many different

19:45

ways, how the entire system,

19:47

the ecosystem that women have built over

19:49

the last two decades could just

19:51

crumble in a mere place of months.

19:54

So can you speak to that? And also,

19:56

like I do want to have the conversation around

19:59

two, around row and

20:01

how the fall of

20:03

Row in some ways to lark,

20:05

it's a two part question. Is also like accelerated

20:08

the use of the word

20:10

abortion that I've seen since

20:13

I entered into politics through a women's

20:15

organization.

20:17

Yeah yeah, so, I mean we when

20:20

COVID struck the United States and basically

20:23

the economy and the country shut down

20:26

immediately, our researchers, our

20:28

data experts, are legal experts, new this

20:30

is going to be really bad for women. Right, Anything

20:33

that is fundamentally bad for a country is

20:35

going to be compounded and worse

20:37

for women, and specifically black and brown

20:39

women. So we were doing

20:41

all this data, all this research, putting it out,

20:44

going to press saying, you know, two

20:46

million women have been forced out of the

20:48

workforce, out of the labor force we have. This

20:50

can't be the new normal. We need these supports.

20:53

And for a little bit of time there was

20:55

a great infusion of support from the government.

20:58

States really took on a lot of that role. The

21:01

federal government helped that all

21:04

expires, right, that's all. It has a

21:06

deadline and things are not back

21:08

to quote unquote normal. Who's

21:11

to say if we ever will be back to normal?

21:13

Right, this is the world we're living, Like you said,

21:15

four years later, there's so many things

21:17

so many of us will never do again or have

21:19

fundamentally changed about our lives, and

21:22

we have just refused to acknowledge

21:25

that in the ways that it affects women,

21:28

and so that has just been

21:31

jarring, I think to see for people that

21:33

are living in it. You know, we have we're

21:35

an organization of mostly women who, like

21:37

you said, are doing all that. We're teachers, we're

21:40

care providers and working their jobs.

21:43

We were lucky to have a really supportive workplace

21:47

policy around that, knowing most

21:49

of us are women here and that are

21:51

if you're in a heterosexual relationship, your

21:54

male partner is probably not given

21:56

the same grace or willing

21:59

to take that grace to stay home

22:01

and take time off to do all

22:03

those other abilities and other duties

22:05

that you need to do. So

22:08

that yeah, it just seems like we're all

22:11

glossy over it and just saying well that's

22:13

what happened, like you know, onto the next you

22:15

know, and we're still here sounding the alarm, saying

22:18

we the childcare industry needs this

22:20

money, it needs it. There's workers

22:22

aren't being paid, kids aren't being cared for, and

22:25

parents and providers can't afford

22:27

it. So what are we gonna do.

22:29

And it's because it doesn't work under capitalism.

22:31

Right. It's not a model or an industry

22:33

that's made to make money. It's made to provide

22:36

care, and that's not

22:38

catchy and not a

22:40

good business model to follow,

22:44

and that goes into

22:46

a row. Like I said, we're seeing people I

22:49

think of I don't want to say a positive

22:51

but something that I've noticed as well as folks

22:54

finally getting to that point almost of radicalization

22:57

of how important this is and how it goes

22:59

beyond and abortion. It was never

23:01

about simply making sure people don't

23:04

get abortions. It was always about control,

23:06

always about being able to decide

23:08

who can have kids, when they

23:10

can have them, how they can have them, and

23:13

who can't and who won't and who never will be able

23:15

to. I mean, I think most

23:17

recently the Alabama IVF case

23:20

shows just that. And those of us

23:22

who have been working in the movement for a while, we're

23:24

raising those alarms at the time. It's hard when

23:27

you have fire after fire after fire,

23:29

and the biggest one is this constitutional

23:31

right being ripped away from us. But

23:34

we were signaling at the time

23:37

like this is not the start, right, this is not

23:40

the finish line. This is the beginning. If they could

23:42

chip away at this, and they had been chipping away

23:44

at row and abortion rates in the States

23:46

with exceptions with you know, certain

23:49

weak deadlines and calling them, you

23:51

know, consolations and compromises.

23:54

That's all chipping away at what

23:56

should be your choice to do whatever

23:59

the hell you want with your body, whenever you want.

24:02

So anytime we give in in that way, it's

24:05

tripping away at that. And so then they got road

24:07

to fall, and then it's all going to come after

24:09

that, right, they criminalized aborshit and they're

24:12

going to come for birth control. You know, we saw

24:14

immediately after rogue fell, pharmacists

24:16

and other medical providers

24:18

being afraid for their own safety

24:20

and livelihoods and legality

24:23

of what they are doing and just stopping care.

24:25

We saw it in Alabama. Almost hours

24:28

after that ruling came out about

24:30

IBF, a bunch of hospitals

24:32

in the States stopped doing IBF

24:35

care completely. So it's

24:38

immediate and it's not going to

24:41

stop until it's under full control.

24:48

At the time that we're recording this interview,

24:51

you know, one of the big pieces of news too

24:54

was recently France deciding

24:56

to actually enshry and abortion into

24:58

their constitution given what

25:01

they are seeing in the United States and the fact that

25:03

you know, there is a fascistic you

25:05

know, uprising that is happening not

25:08

just in this country but globally, And

25:10

I wonder, you know, do you think

25:13

I mean, it's not even really

25:15

do you think, but like, how do you feel

25:17

about the fact that when

25:19

Roe was decided, you know, fifty

25:22

plus years ago now,

25:25

and women in this country

25:27

were able to access abortion? Like,

25:31

why did we think that that was it?

25:33

Do you know what I'm saying?

25:34

Like, well, like we say that it should

25:37

be a constitutional right, but we didn't

25:39

fight for it. That It's as if I

25:41

wonder sometimes if democrats

25:43

and progressives don't

25:46

see the bigger picture,

25:49

whereas the right

25:51

wing is creating the exact

25:54

world and society that they want to live

25:56

in, piece of legislation by piece

25:58

of legislation. We looked

26:00

at Row and say to yay, victory. But

26:02

the victory was not just that women

26:04

had access to an abortion.

26:07

It was that they would always have access

26:09

and always have bodily autonomy.

26:12

Why wasn't a constitutional amendment?

26:15

Now, in hindsight, the

26:17

next thing, like we always get this

26:19

one thing. Yeah, so close, and

26:21

then we're like, oh, we got it, and it's just like, well

26:24

no, because it's one president

26:28

won Congress away from

26:30

reversal.

26:31

Yeah. I mean, I think one thing is, you

26:34

know, as someone in the space, it's hard

26:37

work, right, It's tiresome. It's you want

26:39

to take those wins where you can get

26:41

them. And I wasn't there at the time, but I'm

26:43

sure, Yeah, Roe v. Wade was a huge,

26:45

huge thing to have, especially in

26:47

that moment in the seventies right

26:50

there to your

26:52

point too, that was a kicking

26:54

off point for right wing extremists,

26:57

right Yeah, to them, that was like ground

26:59

zero apocalypse, we need to go. And

27:01

so from there on they started plotting. They

27:04

are well funded, they are well organized, They

27:06

are coalesced around one issue and

27:09

truly do a great job of messaging that. And

27:11

I think, like you said, we're starting

27:14

to see those of us on the

27:16

more progressive side are

27:19

our issue, right. We know

27:21

it's all connected, and we just have a

27:24

little bit of a harder time fleshing out all

27:26

those issues and making

27:28

everyone else realize how they're

27:30

all connected. I think a

27:32

lot of it comes back to the

27:35

economic impact of it. You know, you mentioned

27:37

France, and what a lot of people aren't

27:39

talking about is they do have a I

27:41

think it's a fourteen week limit,

27:44

but abortion is paid for by the government

27:46

in France, so it's covered on your state. So

27:48

that's a huge deal.

27:51

When we talk about exceptions and limitations,

27:54

we obviously don't want any, but a

27:56

huge barrier.

27:57

To that is the economic impact of right because

27:59

we've always had the High Amendment in place

28:01

that never allowed for federal

28:04

monies to be able to go towards

28:06

that. It was always going to come out of pocket.

28:09

Right, And we're still fighting. You know, we're in the budgeting

28:11

process right now. Congress passes a budget

28:13

every year, the President passes a budget.

28:15

They all have to agree on it, and the High

28:17

Amendment is always in there, and that's going

28:20

to attack lower income folks and the

28:22

people that need that care the most. So I

28:25

hope. I don't know if this is naive of me, but I

28:27

hope seeing how swiftly

28:30

things have progressed in such a bad, bad

28:32

way since the fall of Row, I

28:34

hope is kind of revolutionizing

28:37

people to have it click in their heads the

28:39

same way that the right has

28:42

kind of publicly vocally been

28:44

messaging it on the other side

28:46

that this is all connected. It's not going to stop.

28:48

It's not just about this one little

28:51

issue. It's everything, and

28:53

they're coming for it all and we're seeing

28:55

that, and I think folks are getting impacted at

28:58

every step. Right you're doctor

29:00

visit, you're getting impacted if your kids in school

29:02

all the books they're reading, or the people on

29:04

the school board are affecting your life.

29:07

You know, your taxes, and the people

29:09

running for your county board

29:11

of supervisors are affecting things. And

29:13

so I think we're we're getting to a real

29:15

pressure point of people feeling

29:17

the impacts of all of these bad decisions

29:20

that have been coordinated from

29:22

the right for decades, literally

29:24

since Row. It's coming to a head,

29:26

and I hope people are

29:28

still able to be in the fight and

29:31

realize this is messed up. It

29:33

doesn't take a huge amount

29:35

of effort from us to vote

29:37

these people out and to stay vocal

29:40

and stay active. I think we've seen a ton of people

29:42

share their stories and normalize

29:44

abortion sharing a little bit more. I think in the

29:46

past couple of years, we've seen so many

29:48

celebrities included in their memoir and have

29:51

writed it into shows and scripts

29:54

and make it kind of just like, oh,

29:56

yeah, they're gonna consider abortion. You

29:58

know, they're gonna have an upset on abortion. And I think that's

30:00

a big part of it too, It is to not make it

30:02

this scary boogey man, because we

30:05

all love someone who's had an abortion. So it's

30:07

just.

30:07

Wild to me that you know that

30:10

young women and people

30:12

with uterusies are now in an

30:15

America that I could have never imagined,

30:17

right, and it's one that many

30:20

people have always understood America

30:22

to be, which is, if you were poor, if

30:24

you're a person of color, if you

30:27

you know the limitations to your

30:29

freedom. But I also think

30:31

that like the fall of Roe v. Wade

30:34

is going to have much in the same way that

30:36

having Roe v Wade kicked off

30:38

this era of the girl boss of you can

30:40

do whatever, have whatever, this idea

30:43

of female empowerment and independence.

30:45

I wonder what the repercussions

30:48

in terms of you you've said radicalization,

30:51

what will actually happen. Will it be like

30:53

the tradwives become like the

30:55

vibe and the thing, or is it going to be that

30:58

you know, there is going to be a fourth or fifth

31:00

wave of feminism and

31:03

fighting that gets back what once

31:05

was.

31:06

Yeah. Yeah, I think there's

31:08

definitely gonna be a there's always gonna be the tradwives.

31:10

There's always going to be those people. I think we're already

31:13

seeing. I'm a millennial.

31:15

We're seeing millennials take a really

31:17

different approach and look at choosing

31:20

to have children or what their families look like.

31:22

I feel like I see in the New York

31:24

Times, like every other week feature

31:27

on a non traditional family,

31:29

right of a couple and their friend and

31:31

maybe their friend's brother, all living in

31:33

a brownstone. No one can buy a house

31:36

anymore, but together you can pull your resources.

31:38

They take care of their kids, they work and have

31:41

this cool life that is

31:44

not what we think of an a traditional sense of family.

31:46

And so I think we're seeing a lot of that. I think even

31:49

the fact that we're seeing discourse

31:51

around tradwives from just normal

31:54

everyday people, quote unquote, not anthropological

31:57

scholars, you know, not reproductive rights

31:59

lawyers, people on TikTok,

32:01

Who are your neighbor, who are next to you in

32:03

school pickup line? Who are you know? The person

32:05

serpaty or coffee is saying, yeah, this

32:07

is fake, like she's lying, This is not

32:10

real, you know. I think that is

32:13

a huge, huge break and

32:15

all of that cultural discourse makes such

32:17

a huge difference, right, just talking about

32:20

things, having those conversations with

32:22

people, and having it click in our

32:24

brains that this is

32:26

not just what we've been told. It's kind

32:28

of like removing the curtain and seeing

32:30

who's behind it. You're seeing that all

32:32

of this is coordinated, that all

32:34

of this is not just what we've been told

32:37

of. You can do it all and this is great and grow

32:39

up, get a job, buy a house, and have some

32:41

kids. Like, yeah, that's not the reality.

32:44

And I think probably I feel

32:46

like from like gen X on, like

32:49

my mom, that was the first thing she said when Rofel

32:51

was like, I can't believe this.

32:53

I'm living in this world, right, and you are living

32:55

in this world and from here on out generations

32:59

are possibly not going

33:01

to have this ever again. And

33:03

so I think there's kind of this understanding

33:07

or realization really that the jig

33:09

is up right. We're coming for it all. We're unionizing,

33:12

we're like not just we're quite quitting.

33:14

We're doing all of these things. We realize that they

33:17

don't care about us, so you have to keep about yourself

33:19

and we have to take care of each other, and

33:22

so I definitely see a lot of that happening,

33:24

and I think it's only going

33:27

to continue.

33:28

Thank you so much, yeah, for

33:30

the work that you were doing, and you

33:33

know, for this conversation. It's greatly

33:35

appreciated. Folks, go and

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33:40

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33:44

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33:47

Appreciate you so much, Danielle, Thanks

33:49

so much.

33:54

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