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Workers: Florence St. John

Released Tuesday, 7th May 2024
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Workers: Florence St. John

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Workers: Florence St. John

Tuesday, 7th May 2024
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Hello from Wonder Media Network. I'm

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Jenny Kaplan and this is Womanica.

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This month, we're talking about workers, women who

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fought for labor rights and shaped the way we do

0:10

business today. They advocated

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and innovated to make the office wherever

0:15

it is, a more equitable place. Today

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we're talking about one of the first class action labor

0:20

victories in America and the woman behind

0:22

the suit. Let's talk about

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Florence Saint John. In

0:28

nineteen twenty eight, Florence walked into the

0:30

Old's Motorwork Factory in Lansing,

0:32

Michigan for her first day. The

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factory, a division of General Motors,

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housed large machines that made Oldsmobile

0:40

car parts. Florence

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was a thirty two year old mother of three tasked

0:45

with operating the heavy machinery. She

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was one of three hundred workers in the factory

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and one of thirty women. For

0:52

years, she spent her hours cutting steel,

0:55

welding, and dragging around heavy car parts.

0:58

Florence and the other women and felt a sense of respect

1:01

in the factory. They did

1:03

all the same work as the men and were treated

1:05

the same too, or so they thought.

1:09

One day, Florence and some other workers were playing

1:11

paycheck poker, betting their paper checks

1:13

in the game, and Florence

1:15

began to notice a pattern. The

1:18

men on the same shifts as the women, Men

1:20

with less seniority than the women, were

1:23

making more money than the women they were playing.

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In some cases, men made fifteen to twenty

1:28

dollars more than their female coworkers.

1:31

Florence knew that this was not fair. The

1:34

women were just as strong and skilled as

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the men, They met the same quotas,

1:38

and they deserved the same pay. Florence

1:41

enlisted the help of her union representative, Forrest

1:44

Brown, to negotiate on behalf of the women.

1:46

To no avail, the managers

1:48

at General Motors would not change the wages.

1:51

If anything, their true colors showed.

1:54

Some managers said they'd prefer not to have any

1:57

women workers on the floor in the first place. At

2:00

the time, Michigan law made it a misdemeanor

2:02

to discriminate in any way in the payment of

2:05

wages between sexes. So

2:07

the next year, when Forest Brown took a job

2:10

with the Michigan Department of Labor and Industry,

2:12

he applied new pressure to GM. He

2:15

investigated the factory's in equities, knowing

2:17

that they were violating that statute. Unfortunately,

2:21

for Florence and the rest of the women, it was not

2:23

the change they hoped for. GM

2:25

created a women's division that

2:28

gave the women remedial tasks, though

2:30

they still ended up doing their more labor

2:32

intensive tasks too.

2:35

Now that the women's work was officially

2:37

separated from the men's forest

2:39

Brown's investigation ended. Many

2:41

women, fed up with the low wages, quit

2:45

in nineteen thirty eight, ten years into working

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at GM, Florence decided to take action.

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She called well known trial attorneys Bernard

2:53

Pierce and Joseph Plank to form a legal

2:55

plan. The lawyers gathered twenty

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eight claims from other women, transferred

3:00

them to Florence, and filed a lawsuit against

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General Motors.

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This maneuver is similar to today's

3:07

class action lawsuit, which allows one

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or more plaintiffs to file a lawsuit on behalf

3:11

of a larger group. The

3:14

suit was unprecedented. It

3:16

was the first time women banded together to

3:18

legally demand lost wages. The

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lawsuit dragged on for three years before

3:23

the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that Florence

3:25

even had standing for the lawsuit. The

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trial began on June second, nineteen forty

3:31

one. Over the course of six

3:33

weeks, the trial reviewed more than ten thousand

3:35

exhibits and about seventy witness testimonies.

3:39

While some of the male workers said the women

3:41

were not as strong or versatile as the men,

3:43

others admitted that the women worked alongside

3:45

them on heavier operations, but

3:48

General Motors still argued there was no proof

3:51

that the women were paid less. Finally,

3:54

Florence's lawyer convinced the judge that GM

3:56

needed to present their payroll records. Once

4:00

the paychecks for men and women and the stark

4:02

difference between them were reviewed, the

4:04

judge ruled in favor of the women. GM

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was ordered to pay fifty five thousand, six hundred

4:10

and ninety dollars to Florence and the twenty eight

4:12

other women. Today that

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be the equivalent of three quarters of a million

4:16

dollars. Thanks

4:19

in part to Florence's court victory, women

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working at the GM factory were now entitled

4:23

to equal pay. Her

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case had large ramifications as well.

4:28

Two women in the Department of Labour's Women's

4:30

Bureau convinced the War Labor Board to

4:32

equalize pay rates between men and women,

4:35

citing Florence's case. As proof of the necessity

4:37

of equal pay, and

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Florence inspired other wage discrimination

4:42

lawsuits. Over the next

4:44

two decades, twenty one states passed

4:46

wage equity bills, then

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in nineteen sixty three, the US

4:50

passed the Equal Pay Act. However,

4:53

only two of those state laws provided groundwork

4:55

for women to sue for equal pay if the rights

4:58

were violated by an employer, and

5:00

at the time, employers and union leaders

5:02

alike saw the courts as a threat to their respective

5:05

power in the workplace, so

5:07

they lobbied against many of these equal pay laws.

5:11

While Florence's win was significant to Michigan,

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her lawsuit was largely forgotten in history.

5:17

Florence Saint John died on December twenty

5:19

first, nineteen seventy. Almost

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fifty years later, her case against General

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Motors was repopularized by a Stanford

5:26

Law school professor while he was tracing

5:28

the origins of employee class action lawsuits.

5:32

The rediscovered suit shows that despite

5:34

Florence's victory, the fight for equal

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pay still has a long way to go. In

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America, all

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month, We're Talking about Workers. For more information,

5:44

find us on Facebook and Instagram at Wamanica

5:46

Podcast special thanks to

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Liz Kaplan, my favorite sister and co creator.

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Talk to you tomorrow.

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