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Good morning or good afternoon or

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wherever you may be . This is Harriet

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Westmoreland . This is a special edition for Women

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in Public Safety podcast . This is

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the podcast where we discuss women

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challenges of human services

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, the challenges that we , as women workers

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who work on the front lines with human

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services , social work , law

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enforcement , corrections , anything that

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has to do with the public we

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, as women , are working right there

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on the front lines . So I want to

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welcome you . This is , like I said , this is a special edition

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. I know I usually do my recording on Saturday

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, but I wanted to do a live event

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because I have a very special guest

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. She's been a guest on one of my

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other podcasts , but I wanted to have

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her to come back and specifically talk

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about self-care for

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women who work in

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public safety and human services type

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profession . So I wanted

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to welcome Ms

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Erica Satiha and

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she is a trauma

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and abuse coach . She

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has her own website

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and a Facebook group , which I will definitely

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make sure you have that information

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for you at the end of the

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show . But

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this is a live broadcast . If you have questions

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or comments , please hit in the

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chat . We will highlight your comments

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or your questions and I'm

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sure Erica will be more than happy to

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chat with you . So again , erica

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, welcome . I appreciate you taking the time out

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of your busy schedule . I know

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it's a different time

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zone , but I

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appreciate you all the

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same , so welcome .

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Of course , of course . Thank you so much

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for having me . I love chatting with you

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and I was very excited to talk

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to this particular group

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of people , like women , who

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are basically helping other

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people in traumatic situations

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and very stressful

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situations as well , so I'm

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like more than happy to be here Seriously

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.

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Thank you , as I mentioned this before and I had it in one of my episodes about self-care , but

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I wanted to talk with someone who actually is an expert of doing

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self-care and so , Erica , kind of just give us a background of working with

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the populations that you work

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with as a abuse

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, a trauma , and abuse self well

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, abuse coach .

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I'm sorry about that . I was going to say self abuse .

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I always say that Don't

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do it . I'm sorry , I

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didn't mean that .

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Don't worry , don't worry . So basically

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what I do is I am an empowerment

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coach for survivors

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of trauma and abuse , so anyone

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who has been through traumatic situations

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or abusive situation

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, being from childhood

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or in your adult life Sometimes

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I work with people who have

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been through abuse in domestic

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violence situation and , um , so

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what happens when you go through abuse or through a

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traumatic situation is that you

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learn that your , your needs

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are not supposed to be met right

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. And what happens , um , usually

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in session , why people come to me

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, is because they are looking for a way

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of like , actually love themselves

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and make self-love and self-care

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stick right , and

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, um , that's one part of

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my job . And then there's also

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the fact that we , as women

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, we don't do self-care very well

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. Right , we have this question

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of let's take care of other

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people first , let's make sure that everybody

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is okay first , and then we come

4:06

last . And for this particular

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public that we're talking here today

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, we're talking about people who

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probably in their personal lives

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, they're not applying too much self-care

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and , at the same time , on top of that

4:19

, family kids self-care

4:23

and , at the same time , on top of that , family kids , uh , whatever they have going

4:26

on on top of that they are taking care of other people , right ? So

4:28

the room for self-care . Sometimes it feels

4:30

like there is no space , and

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what I would like to do here and I think

4:35

you too is to help

4:37

people create that space for self-care right

4:39

and not only self-care sometimes , that space for self-care right

4:41

and not only self-care . Sometimes

4:44

people think about self-care it's like , oh , going to

4:46

the spa or whatever . So

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we're talking about self-care

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, of you giving yourself what is it

4:53

that you need for you to be emotionally

4:55

, mentally and physically

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stable ? Of course , go to the spa , do

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your thing , go to the hairdresser . I love that , but

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we need to go a little bit deeper

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, and that's the part where I really like to

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work on .

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So , with that being said , for those of us who

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may deal with different difficult

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situations on our jobs every day , particularly

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victims of crime , particularly

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domestic violent victims

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and

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you know they're

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going through their traumatic experience

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for those who are in those

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type of situations

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, we may take on

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that trauma that we're

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experiencing or can

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relate to it on a personal note . So

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how do we take

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care of ourselves while taking care

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of the

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people that we serve in the community ?

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Yeah , I believe it's more a

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matter of what you do

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when you are not

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on the job that is going

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to actually help you

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while you are on the job . Of course , there

6:13

are certain things you can do on the job to help

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you , and we can go there , but

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the thing is you need to create

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a foundation of self-love

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and care for yourself first . So

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when you go out there and you

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go at your and to do

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your job , you are . You

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are not already full

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of your own struggles

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and and left and and lack

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of self-care and love , right

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, right . So the thing is we need to

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, instead of like it is first

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of all . There are so many things about this topic

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getting excited , but

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, like , first of all , we need

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to understand that the fact that you are

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, with listening , witnessing

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trauma you are also going

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through trauma . Right , it is

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traumatizing to see violence

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on tv . Right , it is traumatizing

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to witness violence . It is traumatizing

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to be in an environment where you

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have to manage and deal

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and of yourself first , as

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an individual and outside of your work

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. So when you go to work in

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these spaces , you are whole

7:32

and you can , you are able to be

7:34

present without giving

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away all your energy

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, or giving away the little

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that you have because you didn't

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pour enough into

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yourself .

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Right .

7:48

I guess that's the answer yes .

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So , um , I know you had mentioned some several

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um ideas

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or suggestions . What do you

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? What techniques um um should

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we do , or any kind of like meditation

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or something that we can do on

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a daily before we you know , yeah

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, get our mind right

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before we go to work completely

8:11

.

8:11

Let's imagine that

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you are at home and

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you are cozy , right

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, heat is on , you're

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feeling really cozy . But then outside

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you go and it's freaking

8:25

cold , right ? So

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what you want to do is to

8:30

, basically , before you

8:32

leave home , you put a coat

8:34

on . You better put those

8:36

socks on , right ? So before

8:39

you go to the cold , which is which is your

8:41

job you don't want to go like summertime

8:44

and right everything , right

8:46

. So that's kind of the analogy that

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we're looking into when we go

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into doing this work before , and

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that's the best way I have to explain why

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we need to do the job , this

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work , before . So there are several

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things that you can do in the morning . Um

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, I would advise you

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to create a morning routine

9:06

. I I think some

9:10

people are not going to like this , but I think the

9:12

morning routine is crucial crucial

9:15

for you to self-regulate and to function

9:17

in this world . Especially if you have such a

9:19

difficult job and you are dealing with

9:21

so many emotions . You want to ground

9:23

yourself first before you step outside

9:25

of your house . So I would say

9:27

, create a morning routine that

9:30

would help you stay grounded throughout

9:33

the day . So what is it that you

9:35

can do during the morning routine

9:37

. First of all , just understand

9:39

that you don't need to have a long

9:41

morning routine . Wake up two

9:43

hours early . Not everybody

9:46

has that time , not everybody has that lifestyle

9:48

.

9:49

Right .

9:49

Right . So understand what

9:52

is it that you can do ? Or at what time can

9:54

you wake up ? Maybe before the

9:57

kids wake up , and all that , which is something

9:59

that happens with my clients . They're like , oh my

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God , like at 6 am I already have to be

10:03

up with the kids . How about

10:05

give yourself half an hour

10:07

? Give yourself half an hour

10:10

to sit down , journal

10:12

a little bit , connect with

10:14

yourself , set the intentions

10:17

for the day and

10:19

think about what

10:22

is it that you want to give

10:25

to the world today

10:27

. How do you want to show up

10:29

? Are there certain situations

10:31

that usually take you completely

10:33

off the rails or off track

10:35

that you want to avoid today ? And

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I would say journal about it . And

10:40

I would say also meditate

10:43

, right , connect to yourself

10:46

and make sure you access

10:48

to that center in

10:51

the morning before you do anything

10:53

else . So I would say journaling

10:55

, meditation , sitting

10:57

in silence , listening to yourself

11:00

. So so many of us don't do

11:02

this , so many of us don't think about it . Like

11:05

in sitting in silence with yourself

11:07

is already enough , because then you don't

11:09

go and rush and all

11:12

of a sudden , it's such , it

11:14

is such a difference . Right , you're

11:16

at home kids or not

11:18

, kids , whatever getting ready , and all of a

11:20

sudden it's an emergency situation

11:22

. It's the contrast

11:24

and what it does to your body . It's , it's

11:27

crazy . And then , after

11:29

you have like a set morning routine

11:31

, don't give up on your morning routine too soon

11:34

. Uh , try to have

11:36

at least 21 days with the routine

11:38

. See it making a difference in your

11:41

life , because you are trying to

11:43

contrast years and

11:45

years and years of behavior . So

11:47

it's not just because maybe it happened Like

11:49

sometimes it happens . I'm trying to transform

11:52

something within me and I meditate , something

11:54

clicks and I'm like , oh , I don't want to do that anymore , and

11:56

it changes . But usually

11:59

it's going to take some time . So you need to be a little

12:01

patient with you , with yourself . And

12:04

the other thing to avoid

12:06

the clash , the clash between worlds

12:08

, meaning you're at home . All of a sudden this is

12:10

an emergency situation . What

12:12

I would say is create some sort of a

12:15

ritual to help you transition

12:17

from . Ok , this

12:19

is Erica , the

12:22

partner now chilling at home . I

12:24

am going to put my head on and

12:26

start working . Maybe

12:29

visualize

12:31

, or there there this thing called positive

12:35

triggers , where you can set triggers to

12:37

help you with certain situations . For

12:39

example , if you want to work out , just

12:41

lay your clothes . Over there You're

12:46

working out clothes , so you get up and see your clothes

12:48

. So I would say , find something . For

12:50

example , the moment my

12:52

feet touch the office , I'm

12:55

going through the door , I am putting

12:58

my head on and

13:00

that kind of helps you transition

13:02

into situation and you can do this

13:04

throughout the day just to let

13:06

go of one situation and

13:08

get into another situation , because sometimes

13:11

on the job it doesn't stop . You didn't

13:13

even process whatever happened like

13:15

five minutes ago , and you're already on the

13:17

. So have that moment

13:20

to be like , take a

13:22

breather , create your own positive

13:24

trigger and then move on to the

13:26

next thing .

13:27

Those are great suggestions and especially

13:30

I'm listening to you . Like first

13:32

thing in the morning I happen to work first

13:35

shift and I was just thinking and

13:38

it will be a challenge , you're

13:40

right , if I can get up just 30

13:43

minutes earlier , just enough just to kind

13:45

of stay

13:48

in silence or just take cause . I do have a journal

13:50

and just write something , write

13:52

something positive , you know , to get

13:55

my mind right before I even go into

13:57

, you know , into work , because

14:00

it does

14:02

that will definitely help . And

14:04

so the opposite , let's just turn

14:06

it around . Where you're getting off work and

14:09

you're transitioning from the day and you

14:11

dealt with all whatever that was , you

14:13

know the drama dealing

14:15

with , you know all types of incidents

14:18

and things that are on your job . How

14:20

can you decompress

14:22

?

14:23

Yeah , you need

14:25

to process the day . I

14:27

would say process the day . Okay , go

14:30

through how it went , what went , well

14:32

, if it's very stressful , just

14:35

sometimes we don't see any positives

14:38

. And I remember there

14:40

was a time where I was working as a volunteer

14:42

at this . This

14:44

neighborhood was kind of like a ghetto and

14:48

I was trying to help kids and their

14:50

moms were either prostitutes

14:53

or domestic violence . And I was working at this

14:55

school and I was like my work doesn't

14:57

mean anything because , like they go home . And

15:00

sometimes you just cannot disconnect because

15:02

it's just like you go home and

15:04

you're like , oh , I'm going to my comfy home and

15:06

it's chaos over there . So

15:09

I would say process , go through the

15:11

things that went well throughout the

15:13

day . Oh , listen , um , raquel

15:16

brought , brought me a coffee today . That was

15:18

really nice . Uh , well

15:20

, at least , um , that didn't

15:23

happen today . I just think about things

15:25

and and process what happened , but

15:28

more through a positive lens

15:30

, and try to not focus

15:32

so much on everything that

15:34

went badly , because that's what

15:36

we do , right . We're like what could

15:38

we do , right ? Right

15:40

, if you're in this job like you want to help

15:43

people , you want people and you're

15:45

thinking like I should have done that I should

15:47

have taken care of these papers

15:49

. I should have said that . So

15:53

it is . If you're driving home imagine

15:56

you're driving home maybe you can think about that

15:58

. Yeah , just think about what went well

16:00

today . What is it that you have to be

16:02

grateful for ? I think

16:04

it's a beautiful way of you closing

16:07

the work day

16:10

and then allow

16:12

yourself to get

16:14

into me

16:17

mode again , getting

16:19

to . Okay , I was pouring

16:21

myself out all

16:23

day . Let me pour myself

16:26

. Uh , back

16:28

to myself a little bit . You know

16:30

, uh , there is some

16:32

meditations and some exercises that you can

16:34

make or some visualizations . They can be really

16:36

quick , right , especially

16:39

if you are already used to meditate , which

16:41

is you just focus on

16:43

getting your energy back to your body

16:45

. Where did you leave your energy around

16:48

? There was a stressful situation just like

16:50

just lost my energy over there . Just reclaim

16:52

it , just claim it back . Just say all

16:55

my energies are coming back right now from

16:57

everything and everybody where I dropped my energy

16:59

. You can have like a little affirmation um

17:03

, yeah , sounds

17:05

good .

17:05

Sounds good . When

17:08

did ? When's the best time ? I guess maybe

17:10

this shouldn't be a set

17:12

time , but is it beneficial

17:15

? Or as far

17:18

as preference , as far as journaling , which

17:22

is more beneficial to journal

17:24

in the mornings or journal

17:27

after the end of the day

17:29

?

17:36

after the end of the day , or I would say both

17:39

. I will say both okay , and do it for five minutes

17:41

. I literally have a journal where I journal for five minutes

17:43

and let me grab it and it's basically you

17:46

start the day by saying how

17:48

you want to feel , what are the intentions

17:50

for the day . You pick up an

17:52

affirmation and

17:55

trying to look for the journal and say everything right

17:57

, and

17:59

that's what

18:02

you do , what you're grateful for and what

18:04

can you do to have a better day . This

18:07

is like five minutes . It takes you nothing

18:10

and then , at the end of the day , write about

18:12

your highlights , your

18:14

milestones , the best part of the day

18:17

, the challenges

18:19

or the lessons that you learned throughout the day and

18:21

how you're feeling right now . Now that you

18:23

go to bed , I feel in the morning you

18:25

can get yourself up , set yourself

18:27

up to success right , this

18:29

is how I want my day to go . And

18:33

in the evening you get to process what happened and you get to

18:35

say , okay , this was good , I've learned this lesson

18:38

and I'm letting it go . Like , seriously

18:40

, this is five minutes . I don't know if people

18:42

can see it , but see , this is nothing

18:44

. Oh , yes , yeah , evening , right

18:47

, okay , it's

18:49

nothing .

18:50

okay , that

18:53

that's a great idea , because you're you're

18:55

starting your day of your expectation

18:57

and your hopes and then , as

18:59

you go through the day , at the end of the day , you

19:02

, you know , reflect and look back

19:04

at what you know happened

19:07

and what didn't , what could have happened , or you

19:09

know how you feel about it and you

19:11

know , so you know , during both days , both

19:13

times of the day . I think that's a wonderful

19:16

way of taking care .

19:19

Yeah , and can you imagine , a month from

19:21

now , the information that you're going to have about

19:24

yourself , how you felt

19:26

, the situations , the challenges , the lessons

19:28

, what you've learned , the gratitude over

19:30

and over how it's going to affect your

19:32

mood on a day-to-day basis , but then

19:35

also tracking patterns

19:37

which help us kind of make the changes

19:39

that we need to make ?

19:41

That's true . That's true , I

19:44

never thought about that . Yeah , that's true , because you can

19:46

track your look at . You know if

19:48

you're thinking or you know

19:50

stressing about the same things every day . There's

19:53

a pattern there and so we want to look

19:55

back and look at well , what can I

19:57

do to change that

19:59

type of mindset or whatever

20:01

. So that's a great idea

20:03

. So let's

20:06

talk about how to show empathy

20:09

towards our community , our community

20:12

, who we serve by protecting our energy

20:14

.

20:15

I know that was one of the things of you know

20:17

you .

20:18

Just you know how we , you know we

20:20

give and give and give until we're depleted

20:22

, um , but there's a balance

20:25

there of protecting ourselves

20:27

and , and you

20:29

know , having

20:32

everybody deplete our

20:34

energy while on the job .

20:37

Exactly . I would say a lot

20:40

of . I don't think people

20:42

in your group lack empathy . I

20:44

would say you are probably

20:46

at the extreme of empathy . You

20:49

probably have too much , too much

20:52

empathy going on , and that

20:54

you do it to your own detriment . So

20:56

I'm gonna lead from there um

20:59

, think about

21:01

boundaries that you can have

21:03

on the job . We

21:06

don't think about it too often . We say

21:09

this is the job , this

21:11

is how you do it , I'm a

21:13

good person . Be careful with the thing about

21:15

being a good person , person , because having

21:18

boundaries is not being a bad person , it's just

21:20

having boundaries right for you to protect

21:22

yourself and from protecting

21:24

others , from robbing you of your

21:26

peace , your well-being

21:29

and all that . So

21:31

I'd say yes

21:34

, set , set boundaries . Have boundaries

21:37

in place . Have , um

21:39

, figure

21:42

out ways of you

21:44

protecting yourself . I , I love imagining

21:47

myself in a

21:49

bubble just a bubble

21:51

of love it's . It sounds

21:53

very stupid and very little and very like

21:55

what's that going to be ? But when

21:58

you have that image of you in

22:00

a bubble , just say it's a bubble of love

22:03

, right , where love can

22:05

come in . Right , but

22:08

you are still protected , and

22:10

see how that feels in your body . It's

22:12

not a protective thing where nothing

22:15

comes in and this is it

22:17

. But just imagine yourself

22:19

in a bubble of love , where you

22:21

have a part , where you get to receive

22:23

and you get to give and

22:27

replenish yourself throughout

22:30

the day . Meaning breaks

22:32

If all you have is one minute

22:34

, listen , I used to

22:36

work as a primary

22:38

and infant school teacher . Right , breaks

22:41

are not very famous , right , education

22:46

school system , right ? So

22:49

, listen , I would go

22:52

to the bathroom and breathe

22:55

for a minute . It

22:57

is okay , go ahead and breathe

22:59

for a minute , let the thing

23:01

out . Um , there

23:03

is this practice that I love

23:06

, which is tapping meditation , where

23:08

you tap in different points of

23:10

your face and your body

23:12

. Right this , take notes of it . Tapping

23:14

meditation it's wonderful to release , maybe

23:16

, if you want to do it at the end of the day , uh

23:19

, but obviously we , we cannot go

23:21

around like this right

23:23

, are you okay

23:26

?

23:26

do you need some help ?

23:28

so if you need a break , you can just like

23:30

tap through your

23:32

fingers and just allow

23:35

some . See how simple

23:37

that is and how crazy soothing

23:40

it is .

23:41

Yeah , yeah yeah

23:44

.

23:44

So just to just simple things

23:46

, to help you throughout today , to fill

23:49

up your cup a little bit . Even if you're

23:51

not filling your cup to the max

23:53

, you can fill it up in the at the

23:55

beginning of throughout the day . But

23:58

think about it you already fill up , filled

24:00

up your cup in the morning , so you're stronger

24:02

than usual , so you're more , but you're

24:04

also protected . You think about your

24:06

little bubble of love , right

24:09

? And when you have the time it doesn't matter if it's

24:11

30 seconds breathe in and

24:13

out , in and out , in and out . And I am there

24:15

for people , but I'm not allowing it

24:17

to just take over me . And

24:20

at the end of the day , what went

24:22

well ? I do my journaling , I do my journaling , I take

24:24

my winter coat , I'm at home and

24:26

it's a completely different reality than just

24:28

being on the go all the time , never

24:30

stopping , never replenishing . This

24:33

is like what 45

24:36

minutes of your day , all the tips

24:38

that we spoke about , but what a huge

24:40

difference it can make Absolutely

24:48

, absolutely , wow .

24:49

You given some A lot of good tips , so talk about you and your

24:51

program and if people want to reach out

24:53

to you as a coach , those

24:55

are one of the resources that I Suggest

24:58

. If

25:01

you need to talk to somebody

25:03

or you need somebody to help you with Self-care

25:06

, someone like Erica Would be a great resource . Talk to somebody . Or you need somebody

25:08

to help you with you know self-care um , someone like erica would be a great resource

25:11

. So talk about what you offer .

25:14

Thank you , thank you . You

25:16

are so right , and one

25:19

of the things we have in common as

25:21

black women , people who have been

25:23

through trauma , people who are helping

25:25

other people and today I wrote a post about

25:27

this I think that , like my mission

25:29

in life is to learn how to use

25:31

all that all the help that I give

25:33

to on me . Right , you're

25:36

helping everybody . Help

25:39

yourself , get somebody to help

25:41

you get centered . Get somebody to help

25:43

you . Use those techniques that

25:45

we spoke about , either me or

25:47

something different that you need . In

25:49

case what I said resonates with

25:51

you , I have a one-on-one coaching

25:53

program . It's called Next Level

25:56

Thriving . It's all about helping you

25:58

thrive from the inside

26:00

out , taking care of yourself

26:03

so you can thrive on the outside . I guess

26:05

it's what we spoke about today . So

26:08

ways of you thriving at your work as a partner

26:10

, whatever you want to achieve in life , but

26:13

feeling good on the

26:15

inside , connecting with yourself

26:17

. So if

26:19

you are interested , you can

26:22

simply send me a DM . Just

26:24

send me a DM with the world clarity . Say

26:27

that you watched me on

26:29

this live and then we can talk about

26:31

it . I always , always , always offer

26:34

a free clarity session because

26:36

we get to . We have to know

26:38

each other . I need to know

26:41

your situation . I need to give you a few

26:43

tips , see how you respond . So if it aligns

26:46

, then we can work together . But know that

26:48

you're going to have that free clarity call and

26:51

, yeah , if it aligns , I'd love to

26:53

help you .

26:54

And I put the in the ticker . I hope

26:56

that's the correct website that

26:59

people can oh oh , my God , I don't

27:01

know .

27:01

I have to change that website . Oh , ok , r

27:05

? E before the life

27:07

is an e , but that's okay

27:09

. People can find me everywhere by erica

27:12

sardina . My social

27:14

medias are erica's healing

27:16

space everywhere . So

27:18

, okay , I'm an easy person to find healing

27:22

space and that's on facebook

27:24

uh , erica's healing

27:27

space . Okay , that's on

27:30

facebook and on instagram as well . You can

27:32

find me by that , by the name , everywhere okay

27:35

, all right .

27:36

Any last um thoughts or

27:38

tips or wishes

27:41

or blessings that you would like to grace

27:44

our audience .

27:45

I'm trying to look at the notes , but I think we spoke

27:48

about everything . I

27:50

would just say that it

27:52

is very important that you find

27:55

what works for you

27:57

and look at this process

28:00

from a lens

28:02

of curiosity

28:05

and not judgment , right , Because

28:07

we all have crazy busy

28:09

lives and I'm all about finding

28:12

what works for you and

28:14

with the time and the life circumstances

28:16

that you have . So , yes

28:18

, take action and please

28:21

don't be judgmental . Be curious

28:24

. If you can't apply only two things

28:26

that we spoke today , you are already changing

28:28

your life . So just take that into consideration

28:31

and if you need support , I'm here , harriet

28:33

is here reach out absolutely absolutely

28:36

.

28:36

And you said the key word do

28:38

not be judgmental . I

28:40

mean keep an open mind . Just have

28:42

an open mind , because you just never know , I

28:46

know one of the things about us is working for

28:48

in public safety . We just

28:50

kind of have a structured and that's how

28:53

we were trained to be structured have

28:56

a structured mindset . But

28:58

for ourselves we have to have

29:00

an open mind and just kind of shift

29:03

things and just be

29:06

open to receive different

29:08

perspectives and you never know

29:11

, that might , you know , make you

29:13

better as a person and on

29:15

your job as well as in your personal life . So

29:18

, erica , I appreciate you as always

29:21

. Thank you so much and , people , I really

29:23

suggest that you reach out to her . She

29:26

is wonderful , you can tell . I just love

29:29

her soothing voice and she just

29:31

has so many tips and resources

29:34

for you . So , thank you so much

29:36

and you guys , be safe and let's

29:39

take care of ourselves . Yes

29:41

, and that's it . Thank you , bye-bye

29:43

.