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Welcome in everyone and thank you once

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again for joining me this week . This

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week's guest is another

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strong example of

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you are so much more than your circumstances

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. This week I'm joined by Megan

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Camille and she has quite

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a story . She was

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a victim of sex trafficking at

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19 but is now

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a business owner of

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several businesses that are six

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and seven figures . She

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has proven that you are

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more than your circumstances

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, more than what you come from , as

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long as you lean into your intuition , your

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freedom and never settle

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for a mediocracy . It is

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both my pleasure and honor to introduce

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to you Megan Camille . Megan

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, thank you so much for being here and

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welcome to the show .

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Thank you so much for having me . I can hardly

1:27

wait for this conversation .

1:29

I'm very excited to talk to you about this

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. It's such an

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intriguing background that you have

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. It's probably

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the most dramatic that

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I could possibly think of . So let's

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go ahead and talk about the elephant in

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the room , about your

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upbringing and what led you to

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being sex trafficking at

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19 , which is just the

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beginning of your story . It's not the

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end . We'll

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get to that because it's what you've used

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to be successful .

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Absolutely . Yeah Well gosh

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, thinking back , even I'm like what

2:07

a fun story to remember

2:09

. What a fun , interesting

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turn of events . I

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was sex trafficked at

2:15

19 and I

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spent four years as a prostitute

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in Vegas and in

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adult films . It was an extremely

2:26

, extremely challenging part of

2:28

my life and there's so many sides

2:31

and perspectives to that

2:33

time . Right , I mean being

2:35

in it is one thing , looking back

2:38

on it is a whole other thing that I can see

2:40

the beauty . But while being there

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, it was very challenging , very challenging

2:45

to be in those sorts of dynamics

2:47

that I was in with him , which was

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I was working for him . He kept

2:51

all of my money . He was very much

2:54

the dictator of my

2:56

life . It provided

2:58

lots of opportunities for

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growth . About three and a half

3:02

years in was when I started trying

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to leave every few weeks or

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so and it got more

3:09

and more challenging . It

3:11

just kind of seemed like he really had his hooks

3:13

in me . I had no idea how

3:15

I would return to society

3:18

At that point . I had a record

3:21

. I had been arrested three

3:23

times and had multiple

3:26

misdemeanors , and every

3:28

time they opened the doors of the

3:30

jail they sent me back to him

3:32

. He was the one there to pick me up and

3:35

it just seemed like how could I possibly

3:38

return to

3:40

my family , how could I possibly

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return to a regular

3:44

world where I'm

3:46

not going to be able to

3:48

have a regular job , and

3:51

so there's all these little interesting

3:53

obstacles . That looked like

3:55

I was somewhat trapped . I mean , not only

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did I have a record , but

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I was living somewhat

4:02

of I don't want to say

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glamorous , but I was living

4:06

beyond the means that someone my

4:08

age at that time maybe 21

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, 22-ish could actually

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keep doing without

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that . So I had a luxury

4:18

car . So I'm thinking how do

4:20

I leave and

4:22

return to society where I probably

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won't be able to get a job with this on my

4:26

record , but then also be

4:28

able to support myself ? I

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don't have work history , I'm

4:33

22 and I haven't had a job

4:35

and all I have is this as

4:38

my background . So it was an interesting

4:41

start to adulthood .

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So what actually led

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you to being in

4:47

a position where you would even be entertained

4:50

being a

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sex worker at such a young age

4:55

? Because that's not something that people wake up and go . You

4:57

know what ?

4:57

I want to do .

4:58

I've got a great idea . I

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think that I want to work in this

5:03

underground industry

5:05

and open myself up for

5:07

abuse and worse . What

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led up to that ?

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Well , probably so many things

5:15

, but from the outside

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it wouldn't be all that obvious

5:20

. I remember years after

5:22

leaving I had an aunt that

5:24

said when that

5:26

happened I was deathly

5:28

afraid for my teenage

5:31

daughter because if you could

5:33

be talked into such a thing then

5:36

anybody could . I

5:38

was very much a good girl

5:40

. I lived at home

5:42

with my mother . I was

5:45

home schooled until about

5:47

13 , and then I went to

5:49

school . So I was far more

5:51

modest than most of the children

5:53

. I had been really kept in the cocoon

5:56

and that sort of thing and I did flourish

5:58

in school . I played sports

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, I was a part of what's

6:03

it called Like the president , I was the secretary

6:05

I can't even think

6:07

of what it's called in school right now but

6:10

very active in my

6:12

social groups and extremely

6:15

close to my mom . We

6:18

had a happy life at home

6:20

. So a lot of it didn't make

6:22

sense . Now there's a lot of

6:24

unconscious that was going on . My

6:27

mom and my dad divorced when I was very young

6:30

and he left , so I did

6:32

not have a father figure . My

6:34

mom remarried and the

6:36

man who adopted me when

6:39

they divorced he

6:41

also divorced me , so

6:43

he no longer took care of me . So

6:46

there was lots of abandonment around

6:49

the masculine that I had experienced

6:51

. And so , even though I had

6:53

this loving household

6:56

, there had been divorces

6:58

in there , but

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it was in my younger years , so some

7:02

of it we couldn't make sense of it . Like well , gosh

7:04

, it was really sweet

7:07

girl next door , and

7:09

yet there was a big gaping

7:11

hole in my heart , and that heart

7:13

was gaping for the love

7:16

of my father

7:18

. I wanted to

7:20

be seen , I wanted to be

7:22

accepted . I wanted more

7:24

than anything to

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be chosen and saved , and

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I think that made me quite susceptible

7:31

. When I met him , saw him one

7:33

night , my girlfriend and I went

7:35

to a club

7:37

, an 18 and up club , because we weren't able

7:40

to drink . We were 18 , maybe almost

7:42

19 . And he

7:44

was there with his brother and

7:46

we were in separate lines and I saw him across

7:49

and I immediately had a

7:51

crush on him . It was very interesting that by

7:53

the end of the night he found his way

7:55

to me and that

7:57

night changed the rest

8:00

of my life . I had two

8:02

sensations . One was

8:04

absolute , uncontrollable

8:08

lust , and the other

8:10

was fear .

8:11

Interesting . So he was able to control you

8:14

with these two

8:16

very extreme

8:18

emotions because lust is most

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definitely an extreme emotion , as

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is fear , and he

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was able to captivate you using

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these two avenues , if you

8:30

will , to convince you

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that . I'm assuming that he said he loved

8:34

you , that he would take care of you

8:36

and , since you had these abandonment

8:39

issues , you were just

8:41

hoping and wishing for a male

8:44

father figure or any male

8:46

figure to claim you , and

8:49

he was claiming you .

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Exactly yes , and this is where

8:54

the intricacy of the grooming process

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starts . Because he was like , because I had

8:59

many moments and many family

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members and many

9:03

friends that are like , what

9:05

are you doing ? Even I could go

9:07

, wait , what am I doing ? And

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it was as though I couldn't

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get out of

9:14

the grip that he had . He

9:16

was over 20 years older than

9:18

me . He was 42 when I was

9:20

almost 19 . He

9:23

did not look 42 . He

9:25

was . Another great attribute of

9:27

someone who's good at grooming is that they're

9:29

charming , and

9:32

he's very charming , very good looking

9:34

, and so you know

9:36

, this is , yeah , it's the intricate process

9:38

of grooming . Of course , that night he

9:40

didn't recommend or suggest where

9:43

we ended up and I was like , yeah , sure , right

9:45

, it was a slow process

9:47

, not all that slow , it only took

9:49

a few months three to four months of

9:52

really winning me over and

9:55

making these adjustments in

9:57

my life , like a space

10:00

between me and my mom , a space

10:02

between me and my closest friend , growing

10:05

out of state

10:07

, giving particular ideas that

10:09

I was initially very against

10:12

right , like stripping , and

10:14

now this was years ago

10:16

. Now this is far more

10:18

mainstream , like right there's like only

10:21

fans and sex workers are

10:23

far more free in this day

10:25

and age than nearly 15

10:27

years ago when this was my story

10:29

, and so this was very taboo

10:32

, still right , there wasn't the internet

10:34

for it or anything like that

10:36

. And so every time

10:39

he would come up with

10:41

something that to me was outlandish

10:43

, like stripping Even that

10:45

at the time was outlandish , absolutely not

10:47

. I would never do that . Why would

10:49

you think I would do that ? And there would be

10:52

this sort of breakdown of my

10:54

character in

10:56

when I said no , right

10:58

. So there would be this breakdown of

11:00

my character , his refusal

11:03

to love me , his refusal to acknowledge

11:05

me , to look at me , to see me , and

11:08

would go days of without hearing

11:10

from him . And then he would come back in

11:12

and it would be like this I was suddenly

11:15

released from what was like gripping

11:17

anxiety from being abandoned

11:19

right From . I said no

11:22

to something and he

11:24

refused me , he exiled me , and

11:27

I would think that would be the end of it . And I would be

11:29

going through this breakup process

11:31

for two or three days , which was probably

11:34

a little more extreme for me

11:36

from my experience of

11:38

abandonment from fathers , right

11:41

. So it was this deep guttural pain

11:43

. And then he would come back in and

11:45

would love me back up

11:47

, and then I would be willing to consider

11:51

what he was proposing , and so

11:54

this type of cycle for quite some time

11:56

. It didn't take long until

11:58

I was like , ok

12:00

, I will just . I want him

12:03

to love me so much I was willing

12:05

to sacrifice myself .

12:07

So there was a cycle of punishment

12:10

and then reward . When

12:13

you complied with

12:15

, whatever the crazy outlandish

12:17

suggestion was , whereas

12:20

, if I'm understanding

12:22

, what you're saying is that the pain and

12:25

the anguish of being abandoned

12:27

or separated from this man was

12:29

more than

12:31

the thought . If I just comply with what he

12:33

wants , because then he'll love me .

12:36

Right .

12:37

Then he'll accept me , then I will be good enough

12:39

, then I can fill

12:42

this hole in my soul of

12:44

emptiness .

12:45

Yes , yes , and

12:47

with the additional layer that

12:50

he had already helped create

12:52

space between me and my closest

12:54

relatives and friends . So

12:57

when he disappeared , I was suddenly alone

12:59

, as I had began deteriorating

13:02

my other relationships in order to keep

13:04

my relationship with him . So

13:06

, in the abandonment with him , I also found

13:09

myself quite ostracized

13:11

and alone , even in my other relationships

13:14

.

13:14

He worked the system perfectly

13:16

. Basically , the

13:19

separation , the isolation

13:22

and the threat of abandonment

13:24

made you comply

13:27

with his wishes . And

13:29

this story your story

13:32

of this

13:34

being sex traffic , like

13:36

I said in the beginning , was only the

13:38

start of your journey

13:40

and you had mentioned

13:42

something , as you were describing this to

13:44

me , of this breakdown

13:47

of character , and

13:50

you had mentioned also in the beginning that

13:53

at 3 and 1 half years in , you started

13:55

to question and started

13:57

to try and find ways out . What

14:00

I want to know is

14:02

, when he started

14:04

to break you down so completely of your

14:06

character , how

14:08

did you start to grip it

14:10

back at 3 and 1 half years in

14:12

and rebuild yourself so

14:15

you had the strength to leave

14:17

? Because I think that that

14:19

part of your story is

14:21

what you have built your success on

14:24

. Yeah , yeah I want

14:26

to focus on that because

14:28

that , I

14:30

think , speaks so loudly

14:33

of the strength of

14:35

who you are , above

14:37

and beyond of the situation

14:40

you were in .

14:41

Yeah , yeah , oh . I love this question

14:43

. It's actually having

14:46

me do some of my own soul searching here

14:48

, because that turning point

14:50

when I decided that I would try leaving

14:52

and then of course I would come back and be like , ok , never

14:54

mind , I can't , and then I would do it again and

14:56

then I can't . What

14:58

was different at that time

15:01

was one I did realize

15:03

that he had a family , he

15:05

was married , he had children , and

15:08

this was something that I was unaware

15:10

of for most of our relationship

15:13

, and that piece really nailed

15:16

the coffin for me is this

15:19

man is not your partner

15:21

, he is not your boyfriend , he is

15:24

using you , he is working you

15:26

. That recognition . It was really

15:28

good for me to discover that

15:30

he had a full-blown family , because

15:34

that pain was again

15:36

I was not chosen , and

15:38

so that was very

15:41

debilitating . That kind of pain was

15:43

actually worse than thinking about

15:46

leaving . So some of it

15:48

was pain , and then the other part of it

15:50

was finally listening to the whisper

15:52

, which was my intuition , and

15:54

my intuition had been there all of

15:56

these years and it came through

15:58

many , many , many

16:01

messages that this was

16:03

not a safe place for me , that I could go

16:05

home , that I ought to go home

16:07

and I

16:09

pushed that voice away for many

16:11

years because I cared more

16:13

about his love , approval

16:16

and support than

16:18

that whisper . But those

16:20

two things coming together , the pain of knowing

16:22

that I was not chosen by him

16:25

and the whisper

16:27

of my intuition and

16:29

that whisper was that I was

16:31

his magic and not the other

16:33

way around was like this repeating

16:36

sort of whisper that I was here

16:39

bringing my magic to

16:41

him . He was not providing

16:43

me with any sort of life

16:46

or magic , and

16:48

so pairing those two

16:50

is what eventually gave

16:53

me the courage , was

16:55

finally listening to my intuition , which

16:57

had been there all along , but eventually

17:00

I decided to follow it .

17:02

So you had the strength and

17:04

suddenly the awareness to

17:07

choose yourself , and

17:09

what I'm getting this

17:12

image of is that you chose

17:14

yourself a little bit

17:16

at a time . You didn't just

17:18

wake up one morning and say oh , I'm

17:20

better than this , I'm out of here , Because

17:23

you had been broken down so completely

17:25

. This rebuilding

17:28

had to be , I imagine

17:30

, a daily task

17:32

, where you had to wake up every morning and go I

17:35

choose me just a little bit more

17:37

.

17:38

Such a beautiful way to put it , because it

17:41

was a compound effect

17:43

. I did not wake up one day

17:45

and go , that's it . I had many

17:47

days I woke up that was like that's

17:50

it , followed by another day of never

17:53

mind , I'm committed , followed by Dave

17:55

Okay , that's it . Followed by

17:57

never mind , I'm committed to him . So

17:59

it was a weaving in until eventually

18:02

the I choose

18:04

me outweighed

18:06

. I will stay with him

18:08

, for hopefully one day

18:10

he'll choose me . So

18:16

it was a slow process

18:18

and the process

18:21

it's not overnight

18:23

. There was a disillusion , there was

18:25

an ego . Disillusion is , which

18:27

is the same thing that got me there right , breaking

18:30

me down who I thought I was and

18:32

rebuild me into who I was . But

18:35

discovering that I would never be with

18:37

him , he would never choose me , he would never

18:39

marry me , was an

18:42

ego death in itself . That who I

18:44

thought I was to him was not that

18:46

, and so that sort of crumbling

18:48

away of that identity helped

18:51

me to hear my true

18:53

self a little better , to hear

18:55

that I could leave , to hear that there

18:58

is something beyond this , to hear

19:00

that he isn't my savior

19:02

. A few months of that and

19:04

eventually , eventually , I

19:06

could leave .

19:08

Tell us about the day you

19:10

left . This is probably

19:12

your , your freedom day in

19:14

so many different levels of

19:16

freedom , but

19:18

if you can remember that day clearly and

19:20

describe it to us , yeah , yeah

19:23

.

19:23

So it happened actually

19:25

, on a night I called my

19:27

mom and said I'm coming home

19:29

. Thankfully I had a

19:32

mother . That I did because I

19:34

could always go home

19:36

. She did not exile

19:38

, she did not say that is a disgusting

19:41

path you have taken . Never show your face

19:43

. I shame you . Right

19:45

? She was always wanting

19:47

me to come home and so when I

19:50

gave her the call I'm leaving , she

19:52

drove a you haul down

19:54

and in the

19:56

night I packed up , or it could

19:58

be early morning , but I was packing

20:01

my apartment in the middle of the night and

20:03

she arrived with her partner

20:06

and we packed it up and left

20:08

. I could not let my

20:10

the place that I was

20:13

living , the condos . I couldn't let them know that I was

20:15

leaving . I couldn't let all of the people

20:17

who knew that I was there going

20:19

. So I had to leave quite quickly without

20:22

anyone knowing , because the other times that I

20:24

had said that I would leave , he

20:26

would come and take everything . So

20:28

I had a safe of money . I couldn't

20:30

put money in a bank because I didn't have a

20:32

job and that sort of thing . So he would come in and

20:34

take anything and everything I had and it would

20:36

start me at zero , and

20:39

so this had to be a very last

20:41

minute , quick sort of thing . And

20:45

so , yep , they came and they drove me

20:47

back to it

20:50

was across states , and

20:52

I spent the next

20:54

probably three or four

20:57

weeks on my mom's

20:59

couch , ill , very

21:01

, very sick , physically

21:04

healing , emotionally

21:07

distraught , absolutely

21:09

recovering from trauma

21:11

. I had to get a new phone number

21:13

because if I heard from him

21:15

, I was so close to going back

21:17

. Every day I woke up wanting

21:20

to go back , and that

21:22

was even a whole nother

21:25

level of my healing of how could

21:27

I possibly want

21:29

to go back to someone that

21:31

has done this , that could

21:34

do this , that still wants to do this , that

21:36

will never choose me , so

21:38

that , on top of what I was already healing

21:40

from , it was a

21:42

journey for sure .

21:45

How long do you think it took you to really

21:48

heal from the

21:50

inside out ? Because your

21:53

poor soul must have

21:55

been just so hurt

21:58

and feel

22:01

pain all of the time

22:03

, clearly , because if you still question

22:05

, have I done the right thing ? Should I go back ? That

22:08

is a soul crying out in pain . What

22:12

does that process look like ?

22:15

Well , had I known what

22:17

was ahead , I probably wouldn't

22:20

have left . That

22:22

was just the first three weeks of the physical illness

22:24

, of leaving that whole

22:26

lifestyle and having no idea what

22:28

I was going to do . I followed

22:31

that up when I was in Vegas

22:33

. For those four years I never drank

22:35

and I never did a drug ever . He

22:38

was adamantly against that and

22:40

so I followed his rules . When

22:43

I came back , I ended

22:45

up getting very heavy into

22:47

drugs and alcohol . I ended

22:49

up suicidal and spent 11

22:52

days in a mental hospital . It

22:54

did a toll and

22:56

leaving was easier than healing

22:59

and leaving was hard . So

23:02

if I knew what was in store

23:04

for me . Sometimes it's just great

23:06

that we don't . Sometimes it's just great that

23:08

we were led to the very next step , because

23:11

I don't know that I could have imagined

23:13

making it through the

23:15

next year and a half where

23:18

it was just drowning my

23:20

sorrows in drugs

23:22

and alcohol and partying . It

23:25

was great that I ended up in the hospital

23:27

. That again was another

23:29

saving grace and

23:31

it was where I stopped

23:33

hanging out with particular people

23:35

and that's where I started my

23:38

entrepreneurial journey , in the sense

23:40

that I couldn't necessarily

23:42

do anything within

23:44

the system . So I started getting

23:47

creative . What could this look like

23:49

? It was still years before I

23:51

ever launched my first business

23:53

, but I just got interested

23:56

in my healing and

23:58

my growth and what my

24:00

purpose was . That

24:02

was a process , absolutely a process

24:05

. I still sit with

24:07

plant medicine and

24:09

every once in a while I have

24:11

a journey that is going to reconcile

24:14

and integrating those

24:17

years of sexual

24:19

abuse , of financial abuse . I

24:21

do believe we come back to wholeness

24:24

, because I truly love

24:26

this experience and this story

24:28

. It's very near

24:30

and dear to my heart and

24:32

it was a process to

24:34

uncover . Why

24:36

did I enjoy him , why did

24:38

I choose him and then

24:41

unravel how I buried that in

24:43

drugs and alcohol . I

24:46

would say that the deep , deep

24:49

uncovering to

24:51

get back to functioning

24:53

was probably a

24:55

two-year process . Yeah

24:58

, lots of therapy , lots

25:00

of spiritual therapy , talk therapy

25:02

, even , you know , physical

25:05

. Like what sort of minerals

25:07

was I depleted ? In

25:09

just a holistic view

25:12

, I'd spent four years living

25:14

at night and sleeping during the day , so

25:17

there was so much that was off

25:19

kilter for me and it was probably

25:21

a two-year process . And

25:23

then I met my first

25:25

I say my first husband , my previous

25:28

husband , and that was

25:30

where a lot changed

25:33

for me and I got married and we

25:35

had babies , and so my

25:37

commitment was to something even

25:39

greater than myself . I now have these

25:41

precious little babies to

25:44

take care of , and so

25:46

, about two years after I left that , then

25:48

I met their father , and

25:50

during our marriage I also did

25:52

deep , intense healing , and

25:55

that's when I launched my first business

25:57

.

25:58

What business was it that you launched ? As

26:00

you and I spoke earlier

26:02

, every single experience

26:05

you have , that you have had

26:07

, you've built upon to

26:09

help launch you further

26:11

, to help be a blueprint for

26:13

success , whereas other people would

26:15

have looked at it and said how can

26:18

you come back from that ? You

26:20

actually thrived , after

26:22

putting the pieces of your

26:25

life back together and creating wholeness

26:27

.

26:28

Yeah , absolutely so

26:30

. The first business was a nonprofit

26:33

501c3 private preschool

26:35

and it was based on Waldorf

26:38

and monastery teachings

26:40

, and so it originally just

26:42

started . Interesting

26:44

little side note is my

26:47

youngest was about six

26:49

months or so , maybe a little older , maybe

26:51

nine months , and so she was still nursing

26:53

and I had a toddler and I

26:56

wanted to be out

26:58

of the house . I had been married

27:00

and at home for a few years and just

27:02

wanted to . I loved that . But

27:04

now I was feeling myself like , oh

27:07

here I am , here is I'm

27:10

still here even underneath

27:12

all of this

27:15

, and what I mean by this is I

27:17

was a stay at home mom . I had been pregnant

27:19

and breastfeeding for two years

27:22

and I was just

27:24

realizing , oh yeah , I have

27:26

like new thoughts and new

27:28

drives and new desires

27:31

. It was like coming out of the fog

27:33

, kind of like that newborn fog which

27:35

was elongated for me because I got pregnant

27:38

with my daughter when my son was only

27:40

six months and so

27:42

I decided that I'd go get a part-time

27:44

job , and I

27:46

did that at a preschool and

27:49

I noticed two things . One

27:52

I absolutely despised

27:55

what they were doing in these

27:57

I don't dare say the name of

27:59

them , but you know they're in like the

28:01

shopping centers , and they're

28:04

daycare centers , and so

28:06

I could take my kids there , they could go there

28:08

while I worked there and it

28:10

was yucky , yucky , yucky . The way

28:12

that they treated children , the way that

28:14

it was just set up

28:16

was so mechanical and robotic

28:19

, and there I was so excited to be connecting

28:21

with these precious toddlers and

28:23

, you know , being a part of

28:25

their upbringing , and so I was disturbed

28:28

. There was that aspect and

28:30

then the other aspect where I went to go

28:32

get my fingerprint clearance card and

28:35

I was denied , and

28:38

so I actually quit before

28:40

they knew that , because

28:43

I didn't know that . I thought that after

28:45

enough years the misdemeanors that

28:47

I had would fall away , but

28:49

because it was in the sex industry , it

28:52

was still there and it still showed , and

28:54

so of course , my heart broke . I was

28:56

like , wow , here I am , so

28:58

many years later , a mother

29:00

of children and I'm not even like

29:03

I can't even get a job or I want to get a

29:05

job . And so that process

29:07

was something that I went and did legally

29:10

and , of course , had to write like a dissertation

29:13

on why . You know , I was

29:15

a good citizen now , and

29:18

it also sparked that

29:20

there was a better way to take care

29:22

of our young children when

29:24

their parents needed to leave , and

29:26

so that was my first business . It was conscious

29:30

cottage , it's what it was called conscious

29:32

cottage and it started

29:34

as just an in-home daycare and

29:36

within probably

29:38

eight to nine months , I had a full-blown

29:41

school house that I moved

29:43

out of . We turned it into

29:45

a school house where the

29:48

large rooms were classrooms . I had

29:50

a six-month waiting list , multiple

29:53

teachers , four to five teachers at

29:55

any given time , and I

29:57

was living the life . I loved

30:00

it . And in between that time of

30:02

getting the expunge from my record

30:04

starting this , my then

30:07

husband gave me an ultimatum , which

30:09

was this wasn't the agreement

30:11

we made . I wanted a stay-at-home

30:13

mom and wife , and

30:16

you can't make dinner when

30:18

you're working . We're gonna have to figure

30:20

something else out here , and

30:22

I did . I

30:24

chose my intuition this time

30:26

around . I listened to the intuition

30:29

and so , although you

30:32

know there was obviously more to our relationship

30:34

than that one ultimatum for us to get to

30:36

that space of an

30:39

either or , and we were just no

30:41

longer in love , we were no longer great

30:43

partners , and so I chose

30:46

my business and my kids and my intuition

30:48

.

30:49

Actually , you chose you is

30:51

what you said . You chose you

30:53

as I did the intro in the beginning

30:55

. You chose you , your freedom

30:58

and never settling for mediocrity

31:00

, and maybe if you

31:03

had stayed married

31:05

to that gentleman , you would

31:07

have been in mediocrity

31:10

, which is something that you didn't

31:12

want to do , you didn't want to go back to .

31:15

Exactly , yeah , great point

31:17

.

31:18

Yeah , you were very brave in

31:20

choosing because you could have . You

31:22

could have reverted back and go . Oh

31:25

, feelings of abandonment , another

31:27

man's leaving me or whatever

31:29

she didn't . Yeah

31:31

, you were strong enough to

31:33

choose you .

31:35

And it was a huge choice point because he

31:37

was a great financial provider . Again

31:39

, I was just starting out in business

31:41

. It was a baby , baby at that

31:44

time and I couldn't

31:47

imagine being a single mom . And

31:49

yet here I was at this choice

31:52

point and I see this often

31:54

with my clients today is this choice

31:57

point between choosing

31:59

themselves or thinking

32:01

that they need to do something to make their

32:03

husband happy , or wait

32:05

until they're kids or are older

32:08

? And so it was a pivotal

32:10

choice point , absolutely .

32:12

So you had this very successful business

32:14

that you later

32:18

sold , if I understand correctly , and

32:21

you involved into something else . Was

32:23

that also based on intuition ? It

32:26

?

32:26

was yes , yes , yes . I was called

32:29

to use my intuition and

32:31

I was already using my intuition

32:33

and building that preschool

32:36

. Because I had no college education

32:38

, I had no business education . All

32:40

I was doing was , anytime I had

32:42

an intuitive hit , I followed it

32:45

without question . I

32:47

also had that beginner's look , so you

32:49

know that naivety and that's

32:51

such a magic , but

32:54

I did start getting . I started noticing

32:56

that I didn't necessarily love

32:59

the teaching aspect . I

33:01

loved having a team . I

33:03

loved having the schoolhouse . I loved

33:06

being the go between between parents

33:08

who would come and check out our facility

33:10

to see if it was their fit , and

33:13

I didn't know what that meant . I thought

33:15

that meant I liked sales

33:17

Right , like , well , I love

33:19

the enrollment process of these families

33:21

. And so that took me to using

33:23

my intuition in sales

33:25

for online businesses

33:28

, and so I built a sales

33:30

agency and that went to multiple

33:32

six figures in probably

33:35

six months or so . It was not

33:37

enjoyable , though I didn't . I

33:39

didn't enjoy that at all and

33:41

that , you know , the transition from that

33:43

first business to the second is

33:45

is magical all in itself , because

33:48

it was a completely different industry

33:50

. It was a completely different

33:52

format of business . I

33:55

was leaving a six figure

33:57

career to go

33:59

do something that was

34:01

I had no experience in , and

34:04

so I did that for a year or so and

34:06

I started noticing again , just

34:09

like kind of picking up on the patterns

34:11

. I followed the intuition to go , but I started

34:13

noticing what I enjoyed about it

34:15

, which was supporting people

34:17

in transformation and

34:19

in choosing themselves

34:22

, and so that was . You

34:24

know , I let that particular business

34:26

go . That was a sales agency

34:28

and that's when I started intuitive

34:31

business , consulting and supporting

34:33

clients and building their business based

34:35

on their intuition . Now , obviously

34:37

, a decade in , I've got some serious

34:40

business savvy

34:42

skills , but what really

34:44

got me there was the intuition

34:46

and so , based on that , was able

34:48

to start supporting people in their

34:50

own businesses .

34:52

So you created an entire

34:54

business , which is the business that you do now , based

34:57

on your intuition , which is

34:59

the intuition that saved

35:02

you all those years ago

35:04

in an extreme

35:07

situation . Now the clients

35:09

that you are dealing with are not necessarily

35:11

in those extreme situations , but some of them

35:13

may say that they're wanting to be

35:15

saved From whatever it is . Maybe

35:17

it's the chains

35:20

of corporate America , maybe it's not

35:22

having enough money , maybe it's all

35:25

these different things , but you

35:27

are teaching them to trust

35:29

their intuition , because their intuition

35:32

is nine times out of 10 , correct

35:35

. What does that look like ? What's

35:37

that interaction with you and

35:39

your clients ? When you have that meeting and

35:41

you say to them trust your intuition , they look at

35:43

you and go Megan , are you crazy ? I

35:46

don't know what I'm doing . What are you talking

35:48

about ? I'm coming to you because I don't know what I'm doing

35:50

. How do you

35:52

have that type of

35:55

turnabout for your clients

35:57

to start trusting themselves ?

35:59

Yeah well , first , intuition is

36:01

10 out of 10 , always correct

36:03

. It does not fail . Now

36:06

, sometimes there may be a gap in our

36:08

human expectation versus

36:11

intuition , but it is 100%

36:14

accurate . All the time it is

36:16

not . There is no crying wolf

36:18

with it , because intuition is

36:20

the language of source

36:22

or divinity or whatever name

36:25

you give . Where we came

36:27

from , it is the language that

36:29

is used and it's ever

36:31

present . Now , I

36:34

think part of why my

36:36

clients enjoy working with me so much is

36:38

because I have such an unwavering

36:41

confidence when it comes to intuition

36:43

. It is all I have ever

36:45

known where many

36:47

of the people that I'm working with . They have

36:49

come from corporate , and so they

36:52

have their own special

36:54

type of grooming as well , which

36:56

I too had to de-program

37:00

and relearn how to listen

37:02

to intuition only instead

37:05

of an outside voice . And so

37:07

, although there are similarities

37:09

or there's differences , there's

37:11

great , great similarities

37:13

and my knowing

37:16

and faith and intuition is so strong

37:18

. I think that really supports my clients

37:20

and learning to trust it themselves

37:23

. And so initially

37:25

I'm sort of that conduit that

37:27

is one , an example , two

37:30

, showing how to access

37:33

the intuition as it's flowing through

37:35

, and so I'm sort of handing

37:37

over the guidance

37:39

that's pouring through me

37:41

for them , and then during

37:43

our time together , we're really working their

37:46

own intuitive muscle

37:48

and the only way

37:50

your intuition gets stronger is

37:52

by using it time and time

37:55

again , by using it and following

37:57

it . It is only a muscle and

37:59

if we never used our bicep , it would be floppy

38:01

. And when ? If we use it a lot

38:04

like my husband , he

38:06

has a very toned bicep

38:08

and it's because he uses it every single day

38:10

and so my intuition is very

38:13

toned because I use it every

38:15

single day . And when I

38:17

start teaching my clients how

38:19

to use it , usually

38:21

exactly what you said comes up as

38:23

like wait , what do you mean ? I don't know what I'm talking

38:25

about . No , I'm not asking

38:27

you what are you talking about . I'm asking you

38:29

what is the nudge ? And then

38:32

when we have that nudge , we

38:34

take away the other stories , which

38:36

are thoughts and programmings and emotions

38:39

, and we follow that intuition

38:41

right . So it really

38:43

becomes a practice in following

38:46

the whisper instead of the thought

38:48

and instead of the emotion and other

38:50

people's opinion . Most

38:53

people are ran by thoughts

38:55

and emotions and this

38:57

is intuitive business , is

39:00

a practice in knowing

39:02

the difference between thought and

39:05

emotion and knowing that I am not

39:07

that thought and I am not

39:09

that emotion and then

39:11

taking action on the

39:14

intuition , which usually seems illogical

39:16

and irresponsible , and that's why most people don't

39:19

do it .

39:20

Interesting that how

39:22

you use the term grooming

39:25

to explain that of

39:27

this corporate grooming , and

39:29

that really struck me

39:32

as , oh my goodness , she's

39:35

right , because in

39:38

this structure you

39:40

are taught not necessarily

39:43

to be

39:45

independent but to comply

39:47

.

39:49

Yes .

39:51

And there is a give and take kind of relationship

39:53

of that . And

39:56

it's interesting that

39:58

, as I'm thinking through this , how

40:01

using your intuition is

40:04

not encouraged in that

40:06

situation . So no wonder you have to

40:08

teach your clients how

40:10

to lean into it , because

40:12

they haven't used it or they haven't felt

40:14

like they could trust it , right it hasn't

40:16

been a reputable source .

40:18

Right , they have been told that

40:20

. Okay , you need to ask for permission

40:23

. You need to look at data . You

40:25

need to look at the past to tell you what

40:27

to do next . You need to follow the rules

40:30

. Now , intuition is the language

40:32

, as I said , of source

40:34

, and source resides

40:36

in all things , everywhere past

40:39

, present and future . And so when we're

40:41

getting information from

40:44

our intuition , it's taking

40:46

into account our highest

40:48

good , our future , our present

40:50

, our past , whereas in

40:52

corporate , it is play

40:55

by the rules and then I will pay you

40:57

, and so you don't get to go . Well

40:59

, let me make this really rambunctious

41:01

, illogical choice because , intuitively

41:05

, I think it'll be good and keep your job

41:07

right . So you go oh , I will

41:09

behave . And so now

41:11

that muscle is very limp and

41:13

you may not even hear the whisper

41:16

initially anymore . Right

41:18

, it just is . I know what I need to do

41:20

to survive . Corporate is

41:22

one of the more insidious

41:24

programings that I've seen , because

41:26

it keeps people so comfortable they

41:29

are miserable there

41:31

, but they're too comfortable to

41:33

leave and so it

41:35

rinses and repeats for years

41:38

and years and years and generations , and

41:40

generations and generations . And

41:42

so , while I had a very challenging

41:44

four years in my early adult , the

41:46

greatest thing that ever happened was

41:48

that I was unemployable . I

41:51

was unemployable .

41:55

Wow , what a mind-blowing

41:57

statement you just made that you were unemployable

41:59

so you couldn't go into this structure

42:02

, so you had to make one your own . And

42:05

you've mentioned relying on data . Well

42:07

, honestly , if you had relied on data based

42:09

on your very

42:12

traumatic four years , you

42:15

would have been a statistic .

42:16

Yes , oh , my gosh , Exactly

42:19

.

42:20

If you'd relied on data , but

42:22

you didn't . You relied on intuition , which

42:25

, if that is not a testament to

42:27

leaning into your intuition , nothing

42:30

is . So if you're game , what I'd

42:32

like to do is maybe

42:34

do a little exercise with the audience

42:37

of trying to

42:39

exercise , if

42:41

you will , as I say , that again , their

42:43

intuition muscle . They may not have used it in

42:46

a while .

42:47

Yeah .

42:48

So we're all here , we're

42:50

all friends . How

42:53

do we start to use

42:55

this muscle again ?

42:57

Okay , I'm gonna give you the most basic

43:00

exercise , with a little

43:02

twist at the end . That makes it for

43:05

anyone who's like well , yeah , I actually I

43:07

feel comfortable using my intuition . I'm gonna

43:09

give a little additional step

43:11

. But for me , I always start with

43:14

my clients with yes or no's , right

43:16

, and we're starting with yes or no's in business

43:18

and we grow to like how do I price something

43:21

, how do I choose a market , how

43:24

do I scale to seven figures ? And

43:26

we start with yes or no's and

43:28

then we move into those big questions , cause

43:30

if we can actually master

43:32

yes or no's , then we know what to

43:34

offer , we know where to market , we know

43:37

our ideal client avatar . All

43:39

of those things are already available

43:42

, as long as we can feel into our yeses

43:45

and our no's . Depending upon who

43:47

I'm working with , we receive intuition

43:50

in our own ways . I just have an

43:52

instantaneous , knowing feeling

43:54

. It's all of the above

43:57

, and that is not where most people

43:59

start . So you may have a physical

44:01

sensation , or you may be

44:03

more visual , or you may be more

44:05

auditory , or it may be like a sense

44:07

which I call frequency , which is kind

44:09

of like a feeling . But it's not an emotion

44:12

, right , it's a feeling . So I'm gonna

44:14

name all of them . But for

44:16

a yes , oftentimes it feels

44:18

expansive in the heart space , like

44:21

, oh , I wanna take a big

44:23

breath of fresh air

44:25

, and it feels expansive in the heart space

44:27

. Along the chest the

44:29

color is oftentimes like a white

44:32

light or it's yellow

44:34

. You feel like you

44:37

know , when someone says , hey

44:39

, do you want to go get lunch , and you're really

44:41

excited to go with them , you're like , yeah , it's

44:44

like that sensation

44:46

. That is a sensation

44:48

. It could feel like butterflies in

44:51

the stomach and it

44:54

feels lighter . Now some

44:56

people even have a smell . So I

44:58

hear most often that it's more like flowers

45:01

or a spring or summer day . We're

45:03

talking light here . Right , it's light . It's

45:06

airy , it's yellow , no

45:08

, tends to be contracting

45:10

. So it's tight in the chest

45:12

. It feels heavy . This

45:15

is a darker , cloudier

45:17

look , kind of like a boulder

45:19

. It's like when someone

45:21

says , hey , do you want to go to this

45:23

? And you feel a little bit of dread . You're

45:25

like , oh Right , that

45:27

would be a no and , of course

45:29

, if you're auditory , you're gonna hear yes

45:31

or no . Mine

45:34

is more of just a sensation

45:36

all around now . So

45:38

, starting practicing with yeses and no's

45:40

, it could even be when someone invites you

45:43

to something or what do I want

45:45

to have to dinner ? Here is

45:47

the piece that takes it from very esoteric

45:49

to grounded , which is you

45:52

got to take the damn action based on

45:54

the intuition . So if

45:56

you feel the yes , you say

45:59

yes and you follow through

46:01

with it . Even when the time comes

46:03

and you're like , oh gosh , actually no , I don't

46:06

feel like going , you get to trace

46:08

this back to oh , intuitively , I

46:10

was guided that this was a yes and so

46:12

I'm gonna follow through with it . Right

46:14

, it's following through . That grounds

46:17

it in . That's the actual work

46:19

out . Otherwise , it's like

46:21

looking at the gym right , okay

46:23

, we can receive the intuition , but

46:26

are we gonna do anything with it ? It's doing

46:28

something with it that strengthens it

46:30

. So you start

46:33

practicing with that and then you follow

46:35

through , start with small

46:37

things so that you can commit to it right

46:40

, and actually follow through . The

46:42

harder part is that when

46:44

we start using this

46:46

Amazing

46:48

tool in business , it oftentimes

46:51

does not match numbers , it

46:53

does not match analytics , it

46:55

doesn't go well with

46:57

data . Sometimes it does , sometimes they

46:59

they cross and you're like , whoa

47:01

awesome , I love that , but

47:04

oftentimes it looks illogical

47:06

and irresponsible Because

47:08

, again , intuition is looking at all parts

47:11

data and logic

47:13

is based on the history . It only

47:15

knows what has happened , so

47:17

it can only guess that what's gonna

47:19

happen is what has already Happened

47:22

, and that's how people keep repeating patterns

47:25

. That's why people from corporate build a business

47:27

that Treats their life like

47:29

they're still in a corporate job . So

47:31

when we get the intuition , even

47:33

when it's illogical and it's irresponsible

47:36

, we still get to

47:38

take it right . And now this sort

47:41

of Expert level piece

47:43

is when it feels

47:45

Irresponsible and illogical

47:47

. What do we do with that ? I spent

47:50

years just plowing through it Like I

47:52

will bulldoze it . I've all I've

47:54

got is my intuition . I don't have a plan

47:56

B , so that's all I've got , and

47:59

that was a great motivating

48:01

factor . However , it

48:03

wasn't great for my nervous system

48:06

, and so our Expert

48:09

level is to know how to regulate

48:11

your nervous system during

48:14

Opposition , when people

48:16

do not approve of your choice

48:18

, when it doesn't seem like

48:20

anyone agrees , can I

48:22

go in and be the

48:25

one that agrees with me ? Can

48:28

I show up for me ? And

48:30

this is where lots of identity dissolution

48:33

Starts to

48:35

happen . And this is where we learn . I am not my

48:37

thoughts , I am not my emotions and I am not

48:39

my programming . So that would

48:41

be expert level is . You follow through

48:43

with the action and then start recognizing Am

48:46

I in fight , flight or freeze when

48:49

I take this action that no one agrees with

48:51

? And then , based on where

48:53

you are in there , we start Unraveling

48:57

what you have been told . And

48:59

why is it so important that

49:01

you stay fitting in ?

49:04

So it's that , that confinement again

49:06

, because I , as you were speaking , I was thinking

49:09

about things that I automatically

49:12

say yes to , and

49:14

it's it's not even a , it's

49:16

not even a conscious thought , it just yes

49:18

, because it's a feeling . And then

49:21

, when the time comes , I get

49:23

this feeling of I don't want to

49:25

do this . What , what is that

49:27

? I don't want to do this . When you , when

49:30

you respond with an affirmative that

49:32

doesn't come out of your brain , it comes out

49:34

of your soul , but then , when it comes time to doing it

49:36

, you're like I don't want to do that . What

49:38

is that ? Is that self-doubt ? Is that

49:40

feeling ? Is that the

49:43

structure once again trying to keep you confined

49:45

in in your lane ? And what

49:47

, what is that ?

49:48

It could be any and all of those . I would say

49:51

it depends on the person . It

49:53

, yeah , and it depends on even what the

49:55

what the yes was to , because

49:57

I said yes to a few of these promotional

50:00

things that I had going on that created

50:02

huge visibility and I knew like

50:04

, yes , this is what I want to do . It was a full

50:06

body yes , and then the time came and

50:09

I was sick and I didn't

50:11

want to go and it was an upper

50:13

limit . So sometimes it can be an upper

50:15

limit , another time could be

50:18

okay . This is gonna be a breakthrough

50:20

for me and I feel it

50:22

and actually I want to feel

50:24

safe . Right , I want to go back and feel

50:26

safe . Survival mechanism

50:28

keeps us surviving , not thriving

50:31

, and so it's really learning

50:33

how to show up again . Nervous system

50:35

Regulation . When you feel the dread , there's

50:38

something much deeper than

50:40

just I don't feel like going . Humans

50:42

aren't lazy . They also

50:45

aren't anti-social , right

50:47

? So if any of that is coming up like dread

50:49

, that sort of thing , there's something

50:52

Deeper in that

50:54

goes . What is this

50:56

intuitive yes leading me to

50:59

? And whatever it is leading me

51:01

to feels maybe bigger than me , maybe

51:04

I don't have that , I don't believe I have the capacity

51:06

, and so oftentimes it boils

51:09

down to self-trust and

51:11

Working a new habit right

51:14

, like if you have Always

51:17

not followed through with things and

51:19

now you've got an intuitive yes and

51:21

it takes a follow-through . Well , of course

51:23

, it's just human nature to want to do what

51:26

we're familiar with .

51:28

Because we're , we're programmed

51:30

to keep ourselves safe . That that we

51:32

are , it's innate . Fight or flight , it's

51:34

just part of us , because that's

51:37

how we've survived for for centuries

51:39

is protecting ourselves .

51:42

And doesn't . Surviving and feeling

51:44

comfortable just feels so good . It

51:46

does feel so good

51:49

and when people haven't had

51:51

anything other than just the comfort

51:53

and survive , they don't know what they're going toward

51:55

. But I can promise

51:58

that success . Sovereignty

52:00

, freedom , generating your own money

52:02

, knowing that you can

52:04

deeply trust yourself

52:06

in all situations , that

52:09

is a that

52:11

is a feeling far beyond

52:13

comfort and survival .

52:15

But coming out of the comfort and survival

52:17

is it's very challenging

52:20

for people , megan this has been so

52:22

eye-opening and so educational

52:24

, and I also promised you that

52:26

I would make sure that we ended

52:29

on time , because you are back to back

52:31

. So

52:33

first I want to say thank you for being here with

52:35

me today and being willing to

52:37

share some beginning stages

52:40

of reteaching ourselves how

52:42

to First of all hear that

52:45

quiet little voice and then start to trust

52:47

it . So thank you so much for spending

52:49

your time with us .

52:51

Audra , thank you so much and I love

52:54

, love , love how you have

52:56

led this podcast , such such

52:58

great questions . I'm doing my own soul searching

53:01

again . I'm like , wow , those work great

53:03

, deep , just condoring

53:06

questions .

53:06

Thank you , I all you . You

53:09

made all of these crazy ideas jump

53:11

into my head and I started

53:13

. I Started leaning into

53:16

a tuition and started asking crazy

53:18

questions because you never know what

53:20

they might lead to . Because you never

53:22

know , you never want to know what might happen

53:24

. I want to give you a moment for

53:26

do two things . One I

53:28

want to step back from the mic so you can have

53:31

an intimate moment direct with

53:33

the audience .

53:36

Okay , well , what do I say

53:38

I ?

53:42

I .

53:43

Just get to riff . Well , yeah

53:47

, I mean , I'm always a stand for

53:49

Trusting yourself , that you are

53:51

the most trustworthy

53:53

person that you can depend on

53:55

, that nobody can do

53:58

it for you . Of course , we have guides

54:00

that can hold the lamp for

54:02

us on a dark path , but ultimately

54:05

no one can do it for

54:07

you . Every guide is simply calling

54:09

you to go in , in , in . I

54:12

call it in sentient , not a

54:14

sentient . You just go deeper within

54:17

and you discover that you are the one

54:19

that was holding all of your tools

54:21

, that was holding all

54:23

of your greatness that no one can call

54:26

it out in you . Only you

54:28

can do that , and Intuition

54:30

has been my dearest , closest

54:32

friend , and I know that intuition

54:35

is there for every single one

54:37

of you , just waiting for you to

54:39

say okay , I'm here , okay , I'm listening

54:42

, and it is . It

54:44

is always accurate . It

54:46

is always accurate . It

54:49

will not lead you astray .

54:52

And if the audience is listening and

54:54

they want to get in contact with you , have a conversation

54:56

with you , find out more about

54:58

intuitive business . How would they contact

55:00

you ?

55:01

Yeah , you can find me at wwwmagancamillecom

55:05

. I'm on Instagram at the

55:07

Megan Camille , and you can find me on

55:09

Facebook too , megan Camille .

55:11

I'll make sure all the contact information is

55:13

in the show notes . And , megan

55:16

, thank you once again for demonstrating , one

55:18

, to trust your intuition and

55:21

two , that you are never

55:23

, ever Just

55:25

your circumstances , that you always

55:27

can ascend higher Than

55:30

what the hand you've been dealt . So

55:32

thank you for being an amazing example of

55:34

that and , once again , thank you for being here today

55:36

.

55:37

Thank you .

55:37

Thank you so much , and Thank you

55:39

to all of you for being here , and

55:42

we'll see you again next time .