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Welcome to the Woman Rise podcast

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, a podcast where we celebrate and

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encourage the rising of feminine

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intelligence and leadership . I'm

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your host , claire Monignac , and

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I live and work on the island of Corsica

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. I'm a mother , a healer

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, a lover of nature and

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an entrepreneur . I

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spent my entire adult life

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practicing and studying

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spiritual , psychotherapeutic

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and coaching approaches to

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human growth and transformation . I

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teach , coach and facilitate developmental

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programs for conscious woman change

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makers , helping them feel

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resourced and inspired so

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they can lead from within . Every

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month , I have the pleasure of

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chatting with incredible women who

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are creating positive and sustainable

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change in their fields through

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embodying feminine qualities

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such as empathy , compassion

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, inclusiveness , devotion

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, beauty and so many more qualities

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of the feminine . Whether

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they're running NGOs or charities

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, writing books , coaching

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, healing or teaching , these

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women have in common that

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they embody the feminine principles

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that I believe are essential for

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creating a world today that

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works for everyone . On

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Woman Rise , I give them

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the floor to share their stories , their

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wisdom and their unique

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superpowers . My

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hope is that you , regardless

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of how you identify on the gender spectrum

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, will be inspired

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to tap into your inherent

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feminine qualities as

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they show uniquely in

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you , as you and through you , so

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that you may be more equipped

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to impact sustainable

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and positive change in your own

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circle of care and concern

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. Are you ready ? Let's

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go . I am delighted

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to welcome Marion Hartley today

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on this new episode of Woman Rise

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. Marion is

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a brand designer , founder

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of Hartley Soul and

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the author of Align Shine

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, a practical guide to create your legacy

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brand . Marion

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and I met in person

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last October . We both

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were participants in this beautiful

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conference about bringing feminine

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qualities in the

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workplace . Yeah

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so , marion , I'm delighted

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to have you here and really

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love how you found your way

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into bringing these

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feminine qualities in your work .

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So welcome , thank

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you . Thank you , claire . Thanks for inviting

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me on Women Rise .

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It's a pleasure . And yes , begin

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by telling us how you were

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able to bring your two loves

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your love for brand designing

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and your love for healing into

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one offer . Thank

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you , that has become your

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life work .

3:11

Yes , so I'll take you back

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to my childhood briefly , because

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as a child , I spent a lot of time

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out in nature . I was playing

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in the fields , in the garden , and

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I was fascinated by just

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the natural shapes all around

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me . So that was a world I

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loved immersing myself in . Another

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world I loved immersing myself in

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was the art

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world . My mom had an artist

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friend and we spent a lot of time in galleries

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, and so nature

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and art have played

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a major , major role in

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throughout my life , and

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seeing these exhibitions

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actually inspired

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me to

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want to train in

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these sort of graphics , you know , to understand

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how advertising was working

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, because I saw a huge difference

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between the pictures we saw

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on the street and

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how advertising and

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billboards made us feel and how

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a work of art could impact us

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on such a , you know , a

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really deep way , and I

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was fascinated by the difference because really

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the format is similar it's a

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canvas and there's colors

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and shapes but they left

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me feeling so , so

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different , and one

4:38

of the motivating forces

4:40

for me to learn

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to train in the graphics

4:45

and branding

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field was that I

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thought wouldn't it be amazing if the

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images we saw on a daily basis

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made us feel really good and

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reconnected us to ourselves and

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reminded us of why we're

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here and sort of inspired us to

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be our best selves , rather

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than making us feel like we

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have to have certain things in order

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to have status or to

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be somebody . So

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the other thing I picked up in

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galleries and in looking

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at art , there's something about

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the energy , and

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so it's . It was not something visible

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, but it was something that I could feel

5:32

, thank you . And I

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then got it really interested

5:37

later on , once I'd studied

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design and arrived in London

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with my portfolio under my arm and

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started working in design agencies

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and worked on some beautiful

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, large brands like

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intercontinental hotels

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and Toyota and big

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, you know corporate brands

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. I loved

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the structure and the impact

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these brands had . There

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was another aspect that I

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felt wasn't

6:09

really talked about , and to me it was linking

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to the energy and to actually

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also the mind , body , spirit

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. So it's like how

6:18

come at times we can see something

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that looks nice but it leaves

6:23

us totally cold ? How come at other

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times we see something and

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it really fills us with

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. You know , it

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fills us with a beautiful

6:34

energy .

6:36

Right . I love what you're saying , mayan , because what

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I'm sensing is that you had that

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capacity to

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access this different layers

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of our being right , because

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not . Your work was obviously visual

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and mental and in

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branding , therefore , was

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a direction , a goal . Selling

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is part of it Absolutely

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. Yet you were accessing

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the underlying , the subtle , the

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energetics , the

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aspects of that work

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, and from a very intuitive

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place . Right now you're

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articulating this , but I imagined

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that in your younger days , in

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the beginning , it might not have been that

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articulate journey for

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you to do that .

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No , that's right , it wasn't as conscious

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, it was something I sensed . I

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was curious and fascinated

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by the fact that , you know

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, we've all had the experience of walking into

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a room and not feeling comfortable

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and we can't quite

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pick up on why

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. Or we've had the experience of walking

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into space and feeling really at ease

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and our body relaxes and we

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feel , you know , we feel

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good and our mood sort of lifts

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, and

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that , of course , got to do partly with the design of

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the space , but very

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often it's the energy

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and it's what's happened in that space

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before . You know , if there's been an argument

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in a room and you walk into this , you

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feel something is off . You may not

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know what has happened , but you feel that

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something is not quite right . And

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I'm sure

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we all actually pick

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up on things , but we've

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probably tuned out

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to not really , you

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know , really sense or

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be attuned to what we feel

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, because

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there's so many stimuli on

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a daily basis just , you know , leaving

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our home and get on a

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train , there's so many different

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, so much information that

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we pick up , and

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now even more with social media . You know

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it's constant . It can be constant

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if we don't consciously

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create space to

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create some calm , and

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for me so I was fascinated

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that you know a design or a visual

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brand also has

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an energy . It has it's

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like an entity . It's got its own life

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force and

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when we start creating

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it with the highest intention

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, so energetically

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, we can also inform

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it of what we want it to

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do in the world .

9:36

Yeah , and there is a

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magic dimension to that

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and not

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magic by chance , but

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there is a magic science

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to it and I think you're

9:49

really you know in your book you

9:51

have a chapter on the right brain , a chapter

9:53

on the left brain and a chapter on bringing

9:56

these two together .

9:57

Yes .

9:58

And that's really what I think

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the code that you've cracked is really about

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bringing these two worlds you know

10:05

, the rational and

10:07

the imagination , artistic

10:10

, intuitive world together

10:12

in order to create a brand that really

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says something

10:17

, that really captures and

10:19

gives a clear message to the world . That's

10:21

what branding is about . Yes

10:23

, and the way

10:25

that you talk about

10:28

it in your book is very holistic

10:30

. I think that's really where

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you bring your feminine qualities , and

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again , when I speak

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about feminine qualities , I'm not talking about

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women's quality . I'm talking about

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a way of being that

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is known

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as feminine , because it brings a

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soft skills that we

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most often attribute to the

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feminine , and in both , men and women are able

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to access this powers

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, not only women , absolutely

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. Yeah , it's just this beautiful

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blend of masculine

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and feminine in your , in your work , at this

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rigor , but also the

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great space that you , that

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you give to imagination

11:15

and intuition , and beauty and

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space .

11:19

Right , absolutely . Yeah

11:21

, beauty is really at the core

11:23

of pretty much anything

11:26

that I do . It's , it's

11:28

, it's essential . So

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beauty and simplicity . Think

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when , when a

11:35

design is simple . I love Japanese

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art , for example . You know , like how

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a brush stroke captures

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is incredibly simple , but

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it's so , at the same

11:46

time , incredibly multifaceted . It's

11:48

so rich , yet it's incredibly

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simple . I find that exquisite

11:53

. There's , there's such power

11:55

.

11:56

I see you have an answer behind you .

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Oh yeah , I hadn't thought about this as in a Japanese

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shape , but yes , so it's

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just . You know well

12:08

. And what's happening with the

12:10

sort of Japanese calligraphy

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? There's also a real

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intention behind it . Again

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, it's before something is created . The

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intention with which it's created

12:22

is then encapsulated

12:25

in the final design

12:27

. So this

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is the part that I'm passionate

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about is bringing out the essence

12:34

of of a business and

12:37

of person , because I tend to

12:39

work with the founders , and

12:41

so it's really about drawing out

12:43

their unique essence and

12:45

then making it visible in

12:47

the design . So , because it

12:49

stands for their values , it'll

12:52

attract the right people who then

12:54

energetically resonate with

12:57

what the company stands for . So

12:59

it happens on a very

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, quite intuitive , instinctive

13:03

level , because we're either attracted

13:05

or repelled by things , and

13:08

with brands you want this to happen

13:10

very , very quickly , because

13:12

you want to draw the right

13:14

clients to you and the right

13:16

employees , and you also don't want

13:18

to attract the people who are not

13:20

right for you . So the clearer

13:22

, the the clearer

13:25

the design is and the clearer

13:28

it really embodies

13:30

the values of the founder

13:32

, of what the company stands for

13:34

, then the easier it is for

13:37

for the company to attract

13:39

the right clients , because it's like it's

13:41

also about energy and frequency

13:43

. So I'm fascinated about

13:45

, you know , it's really the invisible aspects

13:47

of branding , but it's

13:50

what life and our environment

13:52

is made of . Right , it's all . Everything

13:54

is energy and we

13:56

either we pick up on things

13:58

and we pick don't pick up on others , because

14:01

we it doesn't resonate with us , and

14:04

so it's really it's about

14:07

making

14:09

sure that the the frequency of the brand

14:11

resonates with

14:13

the types of clients that

14:16

we want to work with , so it aligns

14:18

with them . And so

14:20

there's an internal alignment

14:22

first for the founder and the company

14:24

to be aligned with their values , and

14:27

once this alignment is there

14:29

, then it can be translated into

14:31

the design of the brand , and

14:33

so you can align then with the right

14:35

clients and the right employees

14:38

.

14:39

That makes total sense to me . I'm

14:42

wondering how was

14:44

it for you when you began to

14:47

communicate that to clients ? How

14:49

was it received ? How did it receive now

14:51

? I imagine that over time you

14:54

you attracted the clients

14:56

to hear that message . And

14:59

yet I'm interested in a journey

15:01

, because I think our listeners are

15:03

interested about this translation

15:06

, this

15:08

transition phase . Yeah

15:11

, mark , what about this ?

15:13

Yes , so for many years

15:15

it was something , you know , I

15:17

studied energy healing and Buddhism . That's

15:20

something I did on the side and

15:23

it was a bit like during the day , when

15:25

I was employed , you know , as designer by

15:27

day and then , and energy

15:29

healer and intuitive

15:31

at the weekends or , you know , in my

15:34

spare time . And for many years

15:36

I didn't really talk about

15:38

it openly , because 20

15:40

years ago , you

15:42

know , we're in a very different space

15:45

now and I think talking

15:47

about intuition and energy and

15:49

healing is much more common

15:51

now , whereas 20 years

15:53

ago and especially with the design , if

15:56

I'm quickly noticed , they

15:58

were , they seemed to be two different

16:00

worlds , whereas for me they made complete

16:03

sense together . So it's

16:05

something I kept form

16:07

myself , but I just , you know

16:09

, I obviously used it in the

16:11

designs I was creating . For me , it made

16:14

sense to think of energy

16:16

while I was creating something . But

16:18

it's really when I launched

16:20

Heartly and Soul 10 years ago , that's

16:22

when I openly

16:25

said you know , this is , this

16:27

is what I'm up to , this is what I'm doing

16:29

. I want to bring healing . Yeah

16:32

, honestly , it was like

16:34

a coming out and and

16:36

I was terrified , I was really

16:38

scared about you know what's

16:40

going to happen . What are people going

16:42

to think ? That how

16:45

can I bring healing and design together

16:47

and and

16:49

not be considered

16:51

as totally woo woo or you know ? Because

16:54

to me was there's an absolute

16:56

rational part . You know , for a brand

16:59

to really function , it

17:01

needs to be aligned and it needs

17:03

to have this flow . So it's actually what

17:05

makes it work . It's

17:08

the invisible aspects . Is that energetic

17:10

part to it Totally

17:13

?

17:13

I'm so with you , yes

17:16

, and , as you see

17:19

, I'm smiling as you speak because

17:21

I can . So , first

17:24

of all , I'm very touched by

17:26

your courage and your

17:29

audacity to bring this , you

17:31

know , to bring this two loves together

17:33

and to say that's it . I'm not splitting

17:36

myself into anymore , I

17:38

am one , this is what

17:40

I do and and

17:43

that's you know to find that integrity

17:45

just liberates so much energy .

17:48

Yeah , it does , and it

17:50

was . There was the scary

17:53

part to start with and

17:55

then , as you say , you know it was very freeing

17:57

and liberating .

17:59

It takes a lot of energy to kind of separate

18:01

things and split them and hide

18:03

from one another . Yeah

18:06

, I know , because I see what the woman that I work

18:08

with . It's as if

18:10

they believe or

18:12

they've been conditioning themselves

18:15

to leave their

18:17

intuitive side , their creative side , their

18:19

playful side , spiritual

18:22

side , at home and

18:24

when they are at work

18:27

they don't

18:29

trust these qualities , they think

18:31

these are not welcome . And

18:35

when they learn to integrate

18:38

that other part of them , that right

18:40

side of the brain part , and

18:42

learn to trust it and to actually

18:45

integrate their mind , heart

18:47

and intuition into the work

18:49

that they do , this is when magic happens

18:51

. And it's not just for

18:53

creatives like you , it's

18:56

actually for everyone and that's the magic

18:58

of it . It's the magic of functioning

19:01

from the three different centers

19:03

of intelligence that are completely

19:06

accessible from our self

19:08

as instrument . It's just the beauty

19:10

and the magic of it .

19:11

Yes .

19:13

Yeah , so you

19:16

did your coming out

19:18

, you did hurt heartly

19:21

. And then what ?

19:24

Well then , I knew that . You

19:27

know , with a name like heartly

19:29

and soul , I knew I would not

19:32

attract certain people and I would absolutely

19:34

attract others , Right

19:36

?

19:36

So branding part right Exactly

19:39

. So you know , we are you

19:42

.

19:42

Yes , yes . So it

19:44

gave me license to really use

19:46

, like my intuitive gifts

19:48

. What when I was ? When I work

19:51

with clients , because my company

19:54

name has heart and soul in

19:56

it , it allows

19:58

me give me a license to , to go

20:00

into a more maybe

20:02

you know metaphysical

20:05

realm or just a slightly

20:07

more intangible realm , which

20:10

was something I was doing Well

20:12

, I was doing this intuitively before

20:14

, but with having , with

20:16

naming , heartly and soul , it gave me

20:19

sort of gave me permission to really

20:21

do , do this more fully . So

20:24

so I attract clients

20:26

from , you know , international

20:28

organizations to individuals

20:31

who obviously are open

20:33

and also interested in

20:35

the heart and soul of what they do and

20:38

want to bring their heart and soul into

20:41

their work . And

20:43

all my clients are passionate

20:46

about what they do

20:48

and want to make a

20:51

positive difference . So

20:53

this is where our values align . So

20:56

I've worked with schools , I've

20:58

worked with IP law

21:00

firms , I've worked with individuals

21:03

in the financial sector , and

21:06

the International Association

21:08

of facilitators is one of the clients

21:10

I did a rebrand for

21:13

and then , really global , they

21:15

have people all around

21:18

the world . So usually

21:20

when I work with clients , and also

21:22

before COVID , we were doing

21:25

the first sessions in person and

21:28

it's always wonderful to come together , but it

21:30

absolutely works online with

21:32

and with the IAF . That was the first

21:34

major brand

21:37

exercise where everyone was

21:39

online because they were all

21:41

in different countries , and it

21:44

was a really fascinating project

21:46

to bring so many different

21:48

perspectives into , you

21:50

know , into cohesive one . So

21:54

I tend to

21:56

work with people all around , all

21:58

around the globe . And

22:01

the beginning

22:03

, the book , is really the process

22:06

that I take my clients through before

22:08

the creation , you know , before the design

22:10

, before the visual aspect

22:12

comes about .

22:14

Yeah , and I loved how

22:16

practical your book is . It

22:18

could really you share your

22:20

whole process . I do . The

22:23

thing that you don't share is obviously the

22:25

creation of the brand . No , but

22:28

it's very practical and

22:30

you could go through . One could go through it

22:32

in just a few days doing

22:34

all the exercises and actually have

22:37

a great sense of

22:39

what the brand is about

22:41

, the values , and it's really clarifying

22:43

. I really appreciate it . It's

22:45

simplicity , but not simple

22:48

in terms of easy Simple

22:50

. The simplicity on the other side of complexity

22:53

. Right , you bring a lot together

22:55

, thank you . It's

22:57

a clean and clear manner , so

22:59

really I really recommend

23:01

it . Thanks , yeah , that

23:04

was my the legs are still that you're sharing

23:06

in it .

23:07

Yes , thanks , that's really my intention

23:09

. It's about giving it's

23:11

like the map of what

23:14

lies behind a successful

23:16

brand . You know what lies , the

23:18

invisible aspect of a brand

23:21

, that if you don't know

23:23

these parts , then your logo

23:26

, your website , all your visual

23:28

expression won't be

23:31

a true reflection of who you are

23:33

and what you stand for . So

23:35

they're like really fundamental

23:38

questions . This is why I call it , you know again

23:41

, an unshakable foundation to

23:43

build your legacy brand , because when

23:45

, with that foundation , you can really

23:47

build the brand that stands

23:50

for your values and

23:53

stands for your vision and

23:56

will have the right energy

23:58

to attract the right clients

24:00

to you .

24:02

Can I ask you a question ? I'm

24:05

curious Once you have all

24:07

that information , you've worked with your client

24:10

and you've upped into their

24:12

world in all these different ways

24:14

that you do , Does the

24:16

logo , the branding

24:20

, the image , does it come to you at once

24:22

? Do you have a magic or a secret

24:24

process that you go through ? I

24:29

don't know if it's information or revelation

24:31

. I would say Is

24:33

this something ?

24:34

How does it come to you . So very often

24:37

it's something that I sense

24:39

and while

24:42

I'm taking my clients through

24:44

the process , there's either

24:46

, you know , there's obviously feelings that

24:49

arise and

24:51

there's sometimes pictures or

24:54

shapes or colors that come

24:57

as we're speaking . So it's really

24:59

drawing it out . It's like I

25:02

believe that the brand

25:04

exists there . We need to bring it out . Do

25:09

you actually say that in your book ?

25:11

Yes , that makes sense

25:14

.

25:15

It's about revealing it , you

25:17

know , because it's not something that

25:20

comes from the outside , it's

25:22

not something that is stuck

25:24

onto something .

25:26

Oh , it's the unique essence of that

25:28

product or that person

25:30

.

25:30

I mean that creation , that

25:34

creator , it's that unique essence

25:36

that you're veiling , that's it and

25:38

then it's about it's like it's then giving

25:40

it the it's

25:43

by drawing it out , you then giving

25:45

it its shape , or you yeah .

25:48

You're allowing it to be revealed

25:50

. My work , the

25:52

name of my brand , is unique self-emergence

25:55

, and it's really about allowing

25:57

the unique essence of an individual

26:00

to start shining and self

26:02

, and it's the same principle . It's about

26:04

allowing , supporting

26:06

or facilitating someone's

26:09

unique self-emergence

26:11

. So I really think we're doing

26:13

the same work

26:15

in a different way . Yes , revealing

26:18

what's already there , waiting

26:20

for the light to shine .

26:22

Yeah , yeah , it's like . It's

26:24

just like giving it

26:26

space to manifest

26:28

itself or to reveal

26:32

itself .

26:34

And what I love about your work

26:36

is that there is a power

26:39

to it . There is a naming , a name

26:41

. We know

26:43

that A name brings

26:47

life , brings form , and

26:49

so your work is so

26:52

essential . You

26:54

give a name and a form , and

26:57

that empowers the

26:59

whole work

27:01

. Behind the mission , the vision becomes

27:04

visible and

27:07

has legs to walk

27:09

, or yes ?

27:11

Yeah , so it's . You know , when you

27:13

have a shape and a color

27:15

, and words and

27:17

images , it's like you have

27:19

these different elements that all play

27:21

together and

27:23

it becomes like a kaleidoscope . It's

27:26

quite powerful and it's very unique because you

27:28

create an entity by

27:31

choosing these colors , because colors have energy

27:34

, words have energy

27:36

, images have energy and

27:38

shapes have energy

27:41

. So when you bring them all together

27:43

, it really becomes like

27:46

a unique entity .

27:48

We also share that in your book

27:50

very clearly , yeah . So

27:52

to circle back to

27:55

this need

27:57

for more

27:59

feminine qualities in

28:02

the workplace , again

28:04

, what I appreciate in your work is

28:06

that you do that . You give

28:08

yourself freedom to do that and to name it

28:11

with your heart and soul , and in

28:13

doing so , you're bringing a

28:16

medicine in the world

28:18

, and particularly in the

28:20

mainstream culture that's all about consumerism

28:23

and buying more and

28:25

encouraging people to buy things that they don't

28:27

need . You're bringing

28:30

a different kind of branding

28:32

and a different way

28:34

of doing business

28:37

in the world . So I really appreciate

28:39

that from you , thank

28:42

you . And you're also educating

28:44

, because I'm sure that even some of your

28:46

clients are attracted to your heart and

28:48

soul , company and work . You

28:50

might not know what's

28:53

underneath it and how you work , and just

28:55

being in your presence and doing

28:58

this work with you , I

29:00

assume , have some healing

29:03

capacity just going

29:05

through this process . So

29:07

thank you for the work

29:09

that you do .

29:11

It's very cute in

29:14

the world to go . Thank

29:16

you . Well , my aim really is

29:18

about having brands

29:20

that are fulfilling , like then

29:22

, and they have a nourishing

29:25

effect . It's not something

29:27

that's depleting , is something that

29:29

nourishes you . It's also when

29:31

you create a brand

29:33

like this from the inside out , on

29:36

days when we will

29:38

have challenges , some days and

29:40

we have less energy on a day , but

29:42

when our brand is a true reflection

29:45

of who we are and what we're here to do

29:47

, it can re-inspire us . It

29:49

like reconnects us to our vision and it's

29:51

like yes , this is what I'm here to do , this

29:54

is my mission , this is why I'm

29:56

getting out of bed in the morning , and

29:58

it has this possibility

30:01

to also re-infuse

30:03

us with

30:05

our mission .

30:06

I love that , Marianne . That really

30:09

makes sense . And yeah

30:12

, that's

30:15

what a brand should do . That's stuff

30:17

that feels so aligned

30:19

and powerful .

30:21

Yeah , it's a powerful tool . Yeah

30:25

.

30:26

So thank you so much for

30:29

being a guest here

30:31

on Woman Rise today and for inspiring

30:33

us with your magic .

30:36

Oh , thank you , Claire . It's been really a

30:39

joy to spend this time with you

30:41

. Thank you for inviting me .

30:43

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