0:00

Hi, this is Rachel

0:04

McElroy.

0:17

Hi,

0:20

this is Griffin McElroy. And this is wonderful.

0:22

Thanks for listening to our show. We never do that. We

0:24

never thank them at the

0:26

top, but I thank you. We

0:29

know there's lots of podcasts out there. Being

0:32

Freakers. Criss

0:35

Angel's new project. Criss Angel's new project, Being

0:37

Freakers. There's the dance kids.

0:41

There's money. With

0:44

a bunch of E's at the end. Money

0:46

with a bunch of E's at the end. They're so fucking

0:48

funny. Why aren't you listening to them? All

0:51

married couples. All of them married.

0:53

All talking about, you

0:55

know, things related

0:58

to things that they like. Murder gossip.

1:00

Murder gossip. Twins. Exclamation

1:03

point. They're twins and they gossip about murders. And

1:05

they're so funny. And they're married. And

1:08

they're married.

1:09

But you have joined us

1:11

and I'm so thankful. There's so many

1:14

airlines of podcasts that you

1:16

could have flown, listened to. You are

1:18

in an improv-y mood today. Yeah.

1:21

Just saying yes all over the place. I'm saying yes

1:23

to myself. Yes, me. Yes,

1:25

me. Is the new way

1:28

of doing it. Hey,

1:30

do you have any of the small wonders that I crave

1:33

so much?

1:33

Oh, I mean, okay. If you don't say

1:36

your chili, I'm probably going to say your chili.

1:38

You've talked about my chili before. Well, I just had

1:40

it for dinner and lunch. Two chilies

1:42

in a row. My doctor says not to do

1:44

that. Yeah, this is probably not going to end well for you. My doctor

1:46

says don't eat chili two meals, two

1:49

days in a row. Yeah. Whatever you

1:51

say, doc. Wink.

1:53

And then a bean falls out of my tear duct

1:55

because of how full of fucking chili I

1:57

am. Now I was

1:59

going to say- I would say, and

2:02

I'm hesitant. Okay. Because

2:04

it's early. Uh-oh. But I did enjoy

2:06

watching The Golden Bachelor. Well, let's get into this. I'm

2:10

not totally bought in yet. I'm

2:12

gonna need a little bit more, I think. First

2:15

episode as our Mighty Griffin is always rough.

2:18

There's too many people. You know, you're getting

2:20

like five seconds. Everybody's super

2:22

gimmicky. Yeah. You know, like the

2:24

whole point of the episode is like, you're

2:26

not gonna get enough of anyone and everyone's

2:28

gonna be uncomfortable.

2:29

So. I

2:31

got enough of a lot of them, I would say. Some

2:33

of them were a little much. But I

2:36

love that the ladies

2:37

were supportive of each other. A lot

2:39

of those earrings are incredible. Your dress

2:41

looks amazing. Like the quiet competition.

2:43

Yeah. Everybody here is so beautiful. Yeah.

2:46

The quiet competition that usually takes place in the first

2:48

episode of a Bachelor-Bachelorette season

2:51

was not extant at

2:53

all. No fights. No fights. No

2:56

backstabbing. No so-and-so

2:58

is here for the wrong reasons. Yeah. It

3:03

was just, it was very sweet. But

3:06

I'm gonna need a little bit more. I'm gonna need it to

3:08

get a little bit complicated, I think. I

3:10

wanted it to be a little bit more

3:12

different. Cause it was just

3:15

very. Yeah, true. First

3:17

impression rose. Everybody

3:20

standing around, drinking cocktails. Yeah.

3:23

A lot of it did feel like

3:26

the guiding hand of the producer felt

3:28

very

3:29

visible. Yeah, somebody played a

3:31

song on a guitar. That didn't

3:33

do it for, I didn't like that. There

3:36

was like, here's a letter from my grandchild

3:39

supporting me on this journey. We'll

3:41

see. The first episode is always usually

3:44

the worst. But I think this Bachelor has

3:46

potential. He seems comfortable on camera.

3:48

Yeah. He's a nice enough guy. Definitely

3:52

rooting for him. You got to. He's

3:54

up there. So yeah, I'm excited

3:56

to see how it plays out. We'll

3:58

see. I have

4:01

some nostalgia for the franchise obviously,

4:03

so I was like, oh, it might be good to get back in there.

4:06

And then I was like, no, there's still a lot I don't like about

4:08

it. Yeah. But I'm optimistic

4:11

that they've changed just enough

4:14

to make it a new adventure. We're

4:17

also watching Love is Blind right now. And

4:20

I'd appreciate it for the first time, only two

4:22

couples have made it through the terrible crucible

4:25

of the pod. Yeah, I mean,

4:27

that's kind of a spoiler, but

4:30

not because we're not gonna give any details

4:32

about which two. Right, yeah, sure. But

4:35

they're setting it up kind of like they did last season

4:37

where it's like some couples didn't make it out

4:39

of the pods, but maybe they'll get together.

4:42

Yeah, I hope not. There's some real

4:44

dirt bags, like some

4:47

real dirt bags, you see. Yeah. Even

4:50

for a Netflix romance reality show,

4:52

there's some real dirt bags in the mix.

4:54

Yeah. So hopefully they don't

4:57

get any more screen time than they've

4:59

already had, but they probably

5:01

will. Long

5:03

as we're doing this round up, Survivor's back, and it has

5:06

maybe the worst tribe. Ha ha

5:08

ha ha. Poor tribe has,

5:11

it's just a bad crew. It's

5:14

a crew that couldn't shoot straight.

5:16

It was a little refreshing in a way, right? Because

5:19

people come to this show so prepared

5:21

now. Like everyone's studied the puzzles,

5:23

everyone's worked on

5:25

their fitness, but there's one

5:28

tribe this year, which

5:30

it almost seems intentional because they took

5:32

every person that was likely to have

5:34

trouble being on Survivor.

5:37

And put them just in the one tribe, yeah.

5:40

So we'll see how that goes. Sometimes

5:43

that tribe can have a fun place post-merge

5:45

because all of a sudden they're the spoilers who can

5:48

tilt the scales in one direction or the other, assuming

5:50

there's not just one, or maybe even

5:53

no one left from that tribe by the time the merge

5:55

rolls around. I will say they

5:57

definitely did that challenge

6:00

I made him get real muddy. Right

6:02

off the jump, yeah. Which we assume

6:05

is somebody's thing. Some nasty producer.

6:09

It might be Jeffrey, who knows. Yeah,

6:11

true. But

6:13

I think that might be enough for me. I think I

6:15

might be like, I don't wanna be here anymore.

6:18

Cause I'm- Yeah, there was someone who did that,

6:20

played that car, which you don't see a lot of

6:22

on Survivor or something. Actually, this sucks

6:25

out here. In a food situation,

6:28

you guys gotta get it figured out. I

6:31

go first this week. I'm getting

6:33

pretty esoteric

6:36

on this one. And I sent you some

6:38

videos to watch. So you're probably prepared

6:41

for that, I hope. Yeah, you sent me three

6:43

kind of related but unrelated

6:45

videos. So I'm curious how you're lumping

6:47

this together. So I have talked about

6:50

peripheral based rhythm games before

6:52

on this show. Stuff like Guitar Hero and Rock

6:55

Band. Which were very formative

6:58

and important to my college

7:01

experience. It came out right in that sweet

7:03

spot. And I spent so

7:05

many nights playing those games with my friends. But

7:08

before that genre of

7:11

rhythm games came around there

7:13

was a different type of rhythm game that was popular. And

7:17

this one doesn't rely so much on special

7:19

controllers and licensed songs. So

7:22

specifically I'm talking about character

7:24

based rhythm games. Rhythm games with

7:27

original stories and soundtracks and characters. Arguably

7:29

the most, not arguably, the most iconic

7:32

of which is Parappa the Rapper.

7:34

The 1996 PlayStation One. I

7:37

don't think it was a launch title but it was pretty early.

7:39

This is something that you've mentioned on

7:41

a variety of podcasts. And so I

7:43

was kind of surprised that we hadn't talked about it

7:46

yet. Yes. But I think

7:48

it's just because every time you say that

7:50

phrase. Parappa the Rapper. It

7:53

like checks off a little

7:55

chalkboard tick in my brain because

7:59

it's such an unusual. It is

8:01

an unusual title and game

8:03

and everything about it is just super duper

8:06

weird. I was inspired to talk about this

8:08

after a song from Parappa the Rapper came up on

8:10

a Spotify playlist. And

8:13

then I had to explain to Henry what

8:15

it was we were listening to because

8:18

he wasn't really ready for that. So

8:20

Parappa the Rapper is a game about

8:22

a rapping dog named Parappa who

8:24

lives in this weird flat sort of

8:26

papercraft world. All of the characters

8:29

are two dimensional and when

8:31

they move in turn you just see them like

8:33

sheets of paper twirling

8:36

about. And throughout this game,

8:38

which is incredibly short, it's six

8:41

levels, it's six very short songs

8:43

you could power through this thing in like half an hour. Which

8:46

back in the day, not great. Not what you wanted

8:48

when you've just spent, you know, what

8:50

is essentially probably about $90 counting

8:53

inflation on a game. Throughout

8:56

the game you take Parappa through different

8:58

scenarios as he learns karate, bakes

9:01

a cake, waits in line for a bathroom

9:03

and then ultimately performs a concert to impress his

9:06

crush who is a living flower named

9:08

Sunny Funny. Can you, can

9:10

you say, I don't know if you said this and I missed it, but when did it

9:12

come out? Okay.

9:15

So each level, sort of each

9:17

song has kind of call and response

9:20

lines where you had to copy

9:22

your tutor for whatever level

9:24

you're playing through a series of very,

9:27

very precise timed controller inputs.

9:30

The songs are iconic. I can

9:32

remember all six of them really,

9:36

really well. And inevitably

9:38

though you would just kind of butcher the songs every

9:40

time because if you missed by

9:42

a frame, the input then all

9:45

of a sudden it is just like, uh

9:47

oh. It just doesn't sound like words anymore.

9:51

So I want to play the song that started this, the song

9:53

that came on that Henry heard,

9:56

my favorite song from Parappa the Rapper called Driver's

9:58

Test. This driving

10:00

teacher, who's named Inspector Mussolini,

10:03

which is very good, teaches Parappa

10:05

how to operate motor vehicles.

10:34

So this kind of launched this

10:37

developer named Nana Onsha,

10:39

which is a Japanese game company, and

10:41

they would go on to release a sequel

10:44

to Parappa the Rapper and a remaster of this original

10:47

game. But I actually prefer they released another

10:49

sort of side story in the Parappa

10:52

verse called Um Jammer Lammy,

10:54

which is a character that was voiced by

10:56

Sarah Ramirez, star of Staged and

10:59

Screen. They were on Grey's Anatomy

11:01

and Spamalot. They've

11:05

done a bunch of stuff. I was surprised to see their

11:07

name on the IMDb for this one. Same

11:10

sort of conceit, like Flat Paper

11:12

World, and she

11:15

is a lamb who is learning

11:18

how to be confident in her guitar

11:20

playing. At some point she has to land a plane.

11:23

At some point she has to put out a fire with

11:25

the fire department through the power of guitar playing.

11:28

At some point she dies and goes to hell

11:30

and then has to escape from hell with

11:32

the power of her guitar

11:34

playing so she can go play the world's

11:37

greatest rock show with her band Milk Can. But

11:41

it's very much the same thing as Parappa the Rapper. It's like

11:43

somebody says a line and then you have

11:45

to press the exact same input in time

11:47

only instead of rapping you play guitar.

11:50

And the songs of this

11:52

one are actually better than Parappa the Rapper. It

11:54

doesn't have the sort of cultural impact

11:57

that Parappa had, but I love you some

11:59

umjamerly. Here's a song. It's the last song

12:02

which is the title of it is very this game came out in 1999 It's

12:05

a very 1999 game

12:07

very 1999 song title. It's called got

12:09

to move millennium girl My

12:42

Favorite game from this genre is

12:44

called guitar. Oh man it

12:47

came out on PlayStation 2 in 2002 and They

12:51

don't make games like these and it like this

12:53

genre Yeah, I mean does not exist

12:55

and has not really existed since although

12:57

they definitely have some like iOS games That

13:00

are kind of like that. They have a lot of iOS games, but not

13:03

so many that Have like

13:05

original songs original characters

13:07

like yeah, I think of a rhythm game

13:09

I've played that had like original

13:12

music that is in the perapas

13:14

style Since then guitar

13:16

man was from a developer called Inis,

13:19

which is a Japanese company It's

13:21

an acronym that means infinite noise of the

13:23

inner soul, which is very powerful In

13:26

guitar man, you play as a boy named

13:28

you won Kind

13:30

of like perap a unpopular nerd

13:33

Until he learns that he is this guitar hero

13:35

of legend Guided

13:38

by a robot dog named Puma the

13:41

soundtrack for this game Fucking

13:43

rips it goes through a bunch of different genres

13:46

of music and unlike perappa

13:48

and I'm Jeremy Lamy It's not call and response There's

13:51

like different stages where you have

13:53

to like sort of follow a line and press a button

13:55

to like play guitar riffs And then your enemy

13:58

will attack you and you have to like block it with like

14:00

different timed inputs so it's not just back and

14:02

forth so the songs are I don't

14:04

know more listenable I guess because

14:06

they're songs and all of this

14:09

culminates in just this fucking sick like wild

14:11

stallions guitar

14:14

duet called the legendary theme

14:16

which is just this over-the-top shredding

14:18

guitar ballad that I'm gonna play and

15:00

really weird and like I said like they don't really

15:02

make them anymore that

15:04

once Guitar Hero came out there was this huge

15:08

title shift in the genre

15:10

where all of a sudden people just you know wanted to

15:12

play songs that were real songs that they knew and play

15:15

them with controllers which rules and I love

15:17

all that but I have so much nostalgia

15:20

for these games because they symbolize like

15:22

a lot of the PlayStation generation

15:25

for me like that is those

15:27

have been sort of melded

15:30

into like retro game

15:32

nostalgia and the way that like Super Nintendo

15:34

was once it reached a certain age

15:36

I feel that way about you know per app and crash

15:39

bandicoot and games from that era

15:42

and I know a lot of the people who played those

15:45

games growing up also have like extreme

15:47

fondness for them which feels very special and nice

15:49

and sometimes I'll go back and just

15:51

listen to the Guitar Room and soundtrack cuz

15:54

it is lapsed a lot of those

15:56

games aren't fun to play like I said

16:00

If you miss a beat by like a second, the song

16:03

drops into a minor key and there's duck

16:05

quacking noises over it to let you know how bad you are. That's what was so

16:07

confusing. Griffin

16:09

wanted to show it to us and

16:12

he put on a playthrough which we

16:14

assumed would be somebody doing

16:16

well, but that was not. No, they failed several

16:18

times, which was a real disappointment.

16:22

But that's character-based rhythm

16:24

games. I love them very much and maybe

16:27

one day they'll make a new one.

16:29

Yeah.

16:31

Can I steal you away?

16:32

Yeah. Great.

16:40

Hey Griffin. Yeah. You

16:43

know how yesterday I went to a lunch with my

16:45

co-workers? Oh yeah. How do you

16:47

think I got there? Ran skateboard. I rode

16:49

my electric e-bike. Okay.

16:52

I feel so cool when I like roll up on that thing. Oh yeah. It's

16:55

like, hey, I'm a real biker. You look cool when you do it. And

16:57

I got here super fast. And

16:59

you pop a wheelie. Yeah. I've

17:03

had my electric e-bike for months now

17:06

and I have not had to recharge

17:08

a battery yet. That's wild. Because

17:10

my bike has two batteries. That's so many. So

17:13

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19:51

Alright, you want to hear my thing? Yeah, so bad.

19:54

It's a little fancy pants. You

19:56

know me, I'm always resistant to

19:58

being too fancy.

20:00

But I want to talk about espresso.

20:03

Oh, yeah.

20:04

That's fancy, right? I think so.

20:06

Yeah. I feel real fancy when I drink it.

20:09

Well, yeah, it's so little and little

20:11

is fancy. When you drink a big,

20:14

like a big gulp, big gulp, not

20:16

fancy, unless you fill it with espresso, but that would

20:18

get you jacked. It is. It's

20:20

little. It's also

20:22

like it's, it looks fancier

20:25

than coffee. You know, there's like that little

20:27

layer of what's called like crema on

20:30

the top. Oh, is that what you call that? Yeah. So

20:32

it's spume. That's not good. I

20:35

don't like that at all. Sweated it. Every

20:38

thing. When I worked

20:41

in the Barnes and Noble coffee shop, we

20:45

serve Starbucks products and we had to

20:47

learn the variety

20:48

of standards that Starbucks required

20:50

of all

20:51

employees serving

20:53

their beverages. So I learned all

20:55

about like using an espresso machine

20:58

and what the espresso should look like and how long

21:00

it could sit out before it wasn't good anymore.

21:03

You have to use the little whisk, the

21:05

fun little espresso whisk.

21:08

We've seen it. It's like you put, you

21:10

put, I see the, I get this TikTok a lot

21:12

and they put like the espresso

21:15

stuff in a tiny little cup and then they use a whisk

21:18

to even. Are you talking about like a milk foamer?

21:20

No, it's like a, you know, those things that

21:22

you, uh, they're like wire. Oh

21:26

yeah. You put them on your hair and it feels good. It's

21:28

like that, but you don't put them in your hair. You put

21:30

them in your espresso. No, we never use

21:32

that. The one thing that was fun though is

21:34

we had kind of an old machine

21:37

and it would always make two shots.

21:40

Like regardless of what you wanted to do,

21:42

like you would put it in the little like tamped

21:45

thing. Right. And

21:47

it would like pour out two shots. And so if somebody

21:49

only wanted it at all,

21:51

okay, you got to keep that extra shot.

21:53

Oh, that's cool. That's great.

21:55

So my coffee consumption was out

21:57

of control. I bet. I love all the

21:59

ritual that. goes into like really

22:01

fancy coffee production

22:04

at home. The amount of gadgets and gizmos

22:06

really appeals to me. The thought that

22:08

first thing in the morning when both of our kids are

22:10

awake that I could sneak off to the kitchen and

22:13

do some quick alchemy

22:16

is not possible. Yeah,

22:20

so espresso machine, it is a highly

22:25

pressurized hot water forced over

22:27

coffee grounds to produce a very concentrated

22:29

coffee drink

22:30

with a deep, robust flavor. Yeah.

22:33

There is no standardized process for pulling

22:35

a shot of espresso, but

22:38

the recommendation from

22:40

Italian coffee maker, Eli, is

22:44

a jet of hot water at 88 to 93 degrees. That's

22:47

so specific. Through a seven gram

22:49

cake-like layer of ground

22:52

and tamped coffee.

22:54

This was the big thing, was when I

22:56

was making espresso, you had to like

22:59

tamp it down like dense

23:01

enough. You gotta have a cake-like layer. Because

23:04

you would time how long it took the water

23:06

to get through that tamped layer. Okay.

23:09

And if it went through too fast, you hadn't like

23:11

tamped enough. And if it went through

23:13

too slow, you would tamped too much.

23:16

It was a full process. That's wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

23:19

that's definitely part of it, right? Is like the process.

23:21

The ritual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this

23:24

like method of making

23:26

espresso is usually attributed

23:28

to Angelo Moriando of Turin,

23:31

Italy, who was granted a patent in 1884 for

23:35

a quote, new steam machinery for

23:37

the economic and instantaneous confection

23:39

of coffee beverage. All right.

23:42

Which like at the time, the machine consisted of a large

23:45

boiler that pushed water through

23:47

a large bed of coffee grounds with

23:49

a second boiler producing steam

23:52

that would flash the bed of coffee and complete the

23:54

brew. Okay. So it's just

23:56

fancy moonshine at that. Yeah, I'm picturing

23:58

like an enormous machine. You know how computers

24:01

used to be the size of a whole room? Figuring

24:03

that's what this was. Just like a huge

24:05

distillery for like one cup of espresso.

24:07

Do you think we'll ever have an espresso machine we can

24:09

fit in our pockets?

24:11

Ooh.

24:13

Probably not. Probably not. Okay,

24:15

cool. Because you'd have to carry hot water around

24:18

too. And grounds? No,

24:20

yeah. Now all of a sudden you're like a

24:22

Mr. Bean skit.

24:25

So the next kind of stage in it was

24:28

in 1903, there was another

24:30

patent that invented the first

24:32

pressure release valve, which meant the

24:34

hot coffee would splash all over the

24:36

barista from the instant release of pressure.

24:39

That's huge. I can't believe how long they went without

24:41

that. What a high risk, high reward.

24:44

Just decades of people being like horribly

24:46

burned. Yeah, I bet. Well, it's just part of it.

24:48

That's espresso, baby. When

24:51

you see the smile on their satisfied

24:53

faces though, it makes the scalding

24:56

hot. Ow, fuck. The

24:59

early machines could produce up to a thousand

25:01

cups of coffee per hour, but relied

25:04

exclusively on steam, which

25:06

had the unfortunate side effect of imbuing the coffee

25:08

with a burnt or bitter taste. Oh yeah.

25:11

Have you, you've probably had like super bitter

25:13

espresso before? Yes. This

25:16

used to happen. So prior to my Barnes and Noble,

25:19

you know, experience, I

25:21

worked very briefly at like a bagel

25:24

shop that also had an espresso machine,

25:26

and they gave us no training whatsoever.

25:28

Oh no. Like we just knew

25:31

that you put the grounds in there and you

25:33

turned it on, and then you took what came out

25:35

and put it in a cup. And so

25:37

I had like- Well, I could have told you that. We

25:40

had people all the time coming up to us

25:42

like, oh man, this is really bitter.

25:44

And I'd be like, yeah, I mean that's- Yeah, it's espresso, dude.

25:47

That's the how it is. I had no idea.

25:49

That's great. What an incredible power dynamic

25:52

that that creates. Like, yeah, it's

25:54

bitter. It's espresso, dawg.

25:56

I was like 15 maybe.

25:59

And yeah, again, it was just like

26:02

I had no idea how to do anything

26:05

at all and nobody ever trained me. I

26:07

remember the first time I had like good

26:10

coffee that was

26:12

like prepared well.

26:15

I think it may have been intelligentsia in Chicago.

26:18

All coffee drinks I had

26:20

up until then were like kind of bitter and

26:22

nasty. And then I had

26:24

a good cup of coffee and was like, oh, I didn't

26:26

know that there was like actually a scale

26:30

of quality that could reach this

26:32

high. Yeah, well, I mean,

26:34

because most places don't like specialize in

26:37

it, you know, like good. Oh, we

26:39

went to founding farmers for lunch

26:42

over the weekend. And man, I had good

26:44

ass cup of coffee there. I don't know if you got any. I

26:46

didn't. Oh, man. It was past

26:49

my coffee time. That's right. Once

26:51

it hits 11, I'm like, I'm not having any more

26:53

coffee for at least five hours. Yeah.

26:57

It's a weird rule. Doctor

27:00

recommended. Yeah. Well, you should

27:02

stop seeing this doctor that we go

27:04

to that tells us when to eat

27:07

chili and when to drink coffee.

27:09

So I

27:12

personally I like espresso

27:15

with like a little bit a little bit of milk in

27:17

there. Yeah. I

27:19

don't usually do sugar, although when I did

27:22

go to Italy and just

27:24

made a fake that didn't

27:26

translate, but you can picture it. What's

27:29

that? It was like if I made a noise with the face, it would

27:31

have been like, oh, and the big thing

27:33

I learned prior to going was that like,

27:35

if you're not going to order food, you should

27:37

just eat it. If you're not going to order food, you should just stand at the counter

27:40

and drink your espresso really fast. Because

27:43

sitting at a table is for people that are ordering food.

27:46

And so I definitely would put sugar in there so I

27:48

could down that thing super fast and get out of there.

27:51

Oh, and that time that I mentioned earlier, that's six seconds.

27:53

So if you let your espresso sit for longer

27:55

than like six seconds without like turning

27:58

it into a drink like it is not. supposed

28:00

to be good anymore. Wait, what does that mean? So

28:03

like what happens that like crema on

28:05

the top that like kind of rich foamy layer

28:07

like yeah what

28:09

happens to it? The like the

28:11

quality will start to like disintegrate

28:14

and that's it gets more and more bitter basically the longer

28:16

it sets.

28:16

So you're supposed to drink it within six

28:19

seconds of it coming out of the machine?

28:21

You're supposed to like do whatever it is you're gonna do with

28:23

it so like pour it into a bigger drink

28:26

or... Oh I see okay. You know or add

28:28

milk. That's a pretty high margin of error.

28:30

Stir it around whatever you're doing. Okay.

28:32

No I know I know and this again this

28:35

this may not be true. This is what I remember

28:38

from my experience at the

28:40

Barnes and Noble Cafe and I believe

28:42

the year was 2005. Was there like

28:44

a Starbucks representative there like hanging

28:46

over your shoulder like one, two, three?

28:51

No, no but it felt that way. That

28:54

was that was the environment. It was a real high

28:56

stakes situation. Yeah.

28:58

Oh here we go. So I found an actual definition of

29:00

crema. The crema is a layer of dense foam

29:03

that forms on the top of the drink. It

29:05

consists of emulsified oils in

29:07

the ground coffee turned into a colloid

29:10

which does not occur in other brewing methods.

29:12

Crema is produced when water placed under very high

29:14

pressure dissolves more carbon dioxide. The

29:17

gas present inside the coffee

29:18

that is produced during the roasting

29:20

process.

29:22

They didn't say spiel anywhere in here.

29:24

That's weird. That is weird.

29:26

Because that's what it said in the manual.

29:30

For the manual? Yeah. For

29:32

the bean squisher 4000

29:35

we have downstairs. We

29:38

don't actually have an espresso machine but we have

29:40

a coffee machine. We have a coffee machine.

29:42

They can make espresso and it

29:44

does okay. I feel fancy every time we

29:46

drink it. We do have special little cups

29:48

for it. I did get the little

29:50

cup. Oh that's the best part.

29:52

Sometimes I got that four o'clock feeling. A

29:54

lot of people get it at three. I get it at four and

29:57

sometimes I don't want to chug down a bit.

30:00

Big, you know, cup of, cup of Joe,

30:02

big cup of mud.

30:03

I just want to get a little boost. I know.

30:05

And you just knock it back.

30:08

Knock

30:08

it back. No problem. You're

30:10

ready to go.

30:11

So that's espresso. There's like a lot of different

30:13

drinks, obviously, you know, that's

30:15

like, baby, I'm always talking about

30:18

like the latte and the cappuccino

30:20

and the maracano

30:22

and all that stuff. I'm not going to talk about that.

30:24

That's just, you

30:26

know, icing on an already pretty

30:28

good cake. Now we can't talk about that. Now we

30:30

can't talk about it. Ever. Ever.

30:33

Because you just, I was actually going to do Americano next week. Hey,

30:36

thank you so much for listening. Again, I'll thank

30:38

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we have some friends at home. Lucas says, my

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