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I'm Rebecca Greenfield, and this is how

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good I would be at my job if

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I had my life in order. Becca,

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this article you wrote is the best

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ever. Wow. Thank

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you. It was all thanks to my to

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do list.

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Hey Becca, congrats on your promotion

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ahead of the writers. It's easy

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to be productive when you're this organized.

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And the Pulitzer goes to Rebecca

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Greenfield for her groundbreaking

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series on a very important

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topic. I'd

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It has changed everything Twitter.

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Of course, this is a ridiculous idea,

1:07

but that kind of wish fulfillment drives

1:10

a ten billion dollar self help industry.

1:13

We're told that one productivity hack

1:15

will not just clean up your inbox but

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change your life. But what

1:19

tools actually work and

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what hacks are worth it? That's

1:24

what we're here to find out. Welcome

1:37

to Works for Me, the show where we try

1:39

to fix our workplace problems to find

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out what strategies will work for you. I

1:44

am Franchise Believing and I'm Rebecca

1:46

Greenfield. We all wish we could

1:48

be the best versions of ourselves, and

1:51

lucky for us, there are countless articles,

1:53

apps, videos, and books that

1:56

promised to make us better coworkers or spouses

1:58

or human beings. Here's the key to do

2:00

this. Anyone that has a goal and they're

2:02

moving towards it, they're successful in this phase.

2:05

I wish someone would have grabbed me a twenty five and said,

2:07

I showed you already how you do it. Number one, you

2:09

gotta believe in me, and number two, you gotta believe in the possibility.

2:11

And so I'm here to say I've actually made a lot

2:14

using these techniques. I

2:16

know how they really were, but

2:19

does any of this stuff actually work?

2:22

On this show, we're going to try out tools

2:24

and methods that promise results. Yeah,

2:27

we're going to be human guinea pigs.

2:30

This is how we're going to do it. Each week, one

2:33

of us, either Becca or Me, will

2:35

present a real work life issue

2:37

that she's having. Then we'll try out

2:39

a self help method to solve it and report

2:42

back. This week, it's Becca's

2:44

turn. Becca, what is the problem

2:46

you were trying to solve? So?

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I have trouble keeping

2:51

track of all of the things that I have to do.

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For a long time, I didn't have a calendar album

2:56

my phone, I

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didn't have a dedicated notebook for taking

3:01

notes, and I like sporadically

3:03

made to do lists, and I have this idea

3:06

that if I were better about writing

3:08

things down, then I would be more

3:10

on top of my stuff and my work would be

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better. Okay, so

3:14

you want to write things down more. There

3:17

are a million ways to do that, right,

3:19

People have apps, people have books,

3:21

They've written about it. What

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what is your chosen method of getting there? Bullet

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journaling? Bullet journaling

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sounds violent? What is it? It's not violent.

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A bullet journal is a journal, a

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calendar, and a to do list

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all in one. It kind of reminds me of one

3:40

of those planners that you get at the beginning

3:42

of the school year in high school, but

3:45

you get to decide what goes in it for your

3:47

own purposes, so it's customized.

3:49

Weble the pages have these

3:51

dots on them instead of lines, are a blank

3:54

page. That's why it's called a bullet journal.

3:56

And the doctord makes it easy to create

3:59

different types of calendars or spreads.

4:02

So it's like a planner that you could

4:04

buy in a store, only you kind

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of have to draw it yourself. Correct.

4:09

So what made you want to be a

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bullet journal er? I first saw

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bullet journals all over Instagram.

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There are tons of people who post pictures

4:19

of these hand drawn journal pages

4:21

with the hashtag bou joe, which

4:23

is short for bullet journal Joe.

4:27

I get it. And

4:29

the drawings are super high quality or

4:31

nate. They look incredible and

4:34

like a lot of things on Instagram, it feels

4:36

totally inaccessible for normal

4:39

people like me who have zero

4:41

artistic ability. But that

4:43

is also the allure. If thousands

4:45

of people can do this, why

4:47

can't I. It's aspirational, so

4:50

it's easier to understand if I show

4:53

you. So, I'm going to pull up a video

4:55

from a popular bullet journaler named

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Amanda rachel Lee. Everyone,

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it's Amanda, Welcome back to my channel. October

5:04

is coming. Every month, Amanda puts up a YouTube

5:06

video of her setting up her bullet journal

5:08

with that month's calendars to do lists,

5:11

trackers and all the spreads. And

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so here's one from October. Now,

5:16

okay, so for this month's theme, we are doing

5:19

something that you guys have been asking me to do basically

5:21

since I started bullet journaling. We

5:23

are doing magic and wizardry.

5:27

I actually also so she has very

5:29

skillfully drawing witch

5:32

and wizardry themed things

5:34

on her journal. There's a scroll there's

5:36

a cauldron, there's a hat. It looks

5:39

like something I could never ever

5:41

do. This does not This

5:44

doesn't seem like something I would spend

5:46

time on, and it looks like it takes a lot of

5:48

skill. And I'm also struggling

5:50

to see how this makes anyone more efficient,

5:53

since she seems to be spending a lot of time making drawings.

5:55

Yeah, this is just the aesthetic part

5:57

of the bullet Journal. On

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the other page, I decided to do a quote,

6:02

and of course I had to do a quote that was said

6:04

by the legend herself, JK Rowling.

6:07

It says we all have magic inside

6:10

us, which I thought was obviously very fitting

6:12

for this. The inspirational

6:15

quotes from Harry Potter are also a part of

6:17

this organizational system. It's not a

6:19

requirement, but that is definitely part of

6:21

the vibe. It's like you have to have

6:23

beautiful handwriting, be really good at

6:25

drying, and also be into

6:27

inspirational quotes like you want

6:30

your life to be better. It's part of the culture like

6:32

geist of the bullet Journal. Yeah, it definitely.

6:34

It seems like a lot. Yeah, so the decorating

6:37

part which we're watching is just the

6:39

beginning of setting up the journal

6:41

and she goes on to hand draw calendars.

6:44

She makes something called a mood tracker

6:47

to keep track of her mood throughout the month, and

6:49

it's all hand drawn

6:51

and decorated on theme to

6:53

Harry Potter. And this happens

6:56

every month, right, every single month. So

6:58

it's a lot. I can't

7:00

imagine trying

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to get organized by committing

7:05

to this level of like

7:07

artistry and perfection. I

7:10

could never do that. That's my worst nightmare. You see

7:12

that, and you think I want to say

7:14

anything, Oh my, I'm I'm

7:16

not good at this kind of thing at all. But I

7:18

think that these people are probably

7:20

so on top of their okay, right,

7:23

Like, don't you just want to be the

7:25

type of person that keeps

7:28

a beautiful hand drawn weekly

7:30

calendar and does it every week

7:32

and fills it out every week, and then

7:35

you've achieved all of your goals? Okay?

7:47

So what we do on this show is experiment

7:49

on ourselves to see if these methods

7:52

really work. So you

7:54

want to be better at writing things down. You've

7:56

decided to try bullet journaling,

7:59

So what is your experiment? What are you gonna

8:01

do for my experiment? I have decided

8:03

to use a bullet journal for two

8:05

full months. I'm going to see

8:08

if using this journal makes

8:10

me any better at writing stories are

8:12

doing my job. And at the end of your

8:14

experiment, how will you know if bullet

8:16

journaling has in fact made you more organized?

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I think if I can stick to it and use

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it every day, then it's

8:24

proven to be worthwhile. I

8:35

immediately discovered that there is a

8:37

high barrier to entry for bullet journaling.

8:40

The setup is a lot. There

8:42

are YouTube videos explaining how to do it,

8:44

but the possibilities for what a bullet

8:46

journal can be or look like our endless.

8:49

A given journal can have multiple to do lists,

8:52

calendars, and trackers, so it's

8:54

hard to know where to start or what to

8:56

put in it. Also, there

8:58

is a lot of jargon and

9:01

bullet journal specific rules. This

9:04

is what's called like the future log. Is what we're getting

9:06

into a future log, you

9:08

just kind of like at a glance, you know

9:10

you've got your dates down the left side of it. You could also

9:12

add a second column that's kind of just like, okay, if you do

9:15

a less than symbol that is

9:17

for things that you schedule. Um an open

9:19

circle is kind of like the core idea. But I

9:21

do a squear to do. When you finish

9:24

the thing, you put an X through the dot. It's

9:26

complicated to explain, it's not

9:28

that complicated to do. And I think that's

9:31

after I did it and I was trying to explain it to other

9:33

people, they just their eyes sort of glaze over, and

9:35

but as soon as you've got it, you're just like, oh, this is not complicated

9:37

at all. That's

9:40

Rachel will Kerson Miller. She's one of

9:42

the celebrities of the bullet journal world.

9:44

She wrote a book called dot Journaling, a Practical

9:47

Guide. I asked her to help me set

9:49

mine up, which I know is kind of cheating,

9:51

but it was super helpful. All

9:56

Right, we've got a term November. Wait, I

9:59

miss, I think I forgot about that. Yeah.

10:03

She decoded the language and helped me decide what

10:06

spreads I might find useful. And

10:08

after an hour and a half with her, I

10:10

had a basic layout. I had a monthly

10:12

calendar, an activity tracker

10:15

for documenting how often I do certain

10:17

habits like cleaning my apartment and

10:19

making dinner. And then she showed

10:21

me how to make daily to do lists and daily

10:23

journal entries. The journal

10:25

it's the brand called Loister m cost

10:28

me twenty dollars, and then I spent another fifteen

10:30

dollars on pens. I bought

10:32

the Pilot Precise V five retractable

10:35

pens in black, and then another pack of

10:37

Pilot pens in an assortment of colors.

10:40

Okay, so he spent a lot of time on the

10:42

set up. How did it go from there? At

10:45

first, I was very into

10:47

it. About a weekend I got into the studio

10:49

to talk about it. That's how excited I

10:51

was. I

10:54

have used up eighteen pages

10:56

in one week, which I don't know what

10:59

the measurement is, but that seems like a lot. And

11:02

I just kind of like look forward

11:04

to opening it in the morning and making my to

11:06

do list, um, and then I really

11:08

look forward to at night we needed to write

11:11

your little night notes or I call them nine notes.

11:13

It's like your journal. You

11:16

look forward to writing and you wake up thinking about

11:19

writing in your journal. That's yeah, that sounds

11:21

into it. Yeah, I

11:23

was. I think, you know, when you started a new

11:25

project, you get really into it, like predictably,

11:28

I do. I don't know about you, you know. I was like,

11:30

I'm going to commit, and I did. And one weekend

11:32

I was all about it high end life, but

11:35

pretty soon I developed a love hate

11:37

relationship with it. A few weeks in,

11:39

I still liked it, but it quickly

11:41

started to feel more like a rewarding chore,

11:44

like going to the gym. I know it'll

11:46

feel good once I do it, but most

11:48

of the time I'd rather just sit on the couch. And

11:51

then it only devolved from there. In

11:53

a matter of weeks, I started having trouble fitting

11:55

it into my life. Here's me, less

11:57

than a month into it. I

12:00

have a confession to make. I

12:02

haven't done the

12:04

journal part of the bullet journal.

12:08

And let's see. It's opening it

12:10

up. Let's see. Okay,

12:12

I did it one

12:15

week ago. I

12:17

wrote some notes so kind

12:20

of a failure, also called behind

12:22

on my activity tracker, and was

12:25

unable to remember all the things

12:27

I did. But it's really hard

12:29

because I come home at night and

12:31

it's so late, I

12:33

just don't do it.

12:35

But tonight I'm home in like a reasonable hour,

12:38

it's eight, so I'm

12:40

gonna do the journal part. So

12:43

I started developing these two

12:45

conflicting feelings. On

12:48

the one hand, I get really

12:50

mad at myself for not using it,

12:53

But then I started getting

12:55

mad at the journal for when

12:57

I did end up using it because

12:59

I felt like was getting in the way of my

13:01

life. Okay, so there's been a

13:03

major bullet journal development.

13:06

Um, I'm at dinner at

13:08

an Italian restaurant. It's

13:11

my birthday, and I

13:13

thought of something I had to write now my bullet

13:16

journal to put it on my to do list, but

13:18

just talk to the lawyers at

13:20

work about something important, and I

13:22

put it in my bullet journal and then I got olive

13:24

oil all over. But

13:28

like tassels, it's

13:30

just a mess anyway,

13:34

just like a just a bad thing that happened.

13:37

It's like I

13:39

don't use my bullet journal when it's convenient,

13:44

like I should be doing this like every night,

13:46

and like checking in, but like I'm not going to check in

13:48

tonight it's Friday night. So

13:50

instead I got breaking olive oil

13:53

all over. Anyway,

13:57

Happy birthday to

14:00

me. Wow, that

14:03

was a low point. That's a little it was a

14:05

little self pitying. But okay,

14:08

you went from

14:10

being excited to get up in the morning so

14:12

that you could write in your bullet journal

14:14

to like it sounds like being angry

14:17

at your bullet journal for existing and

14:19

demanding that you write in it. At dinner when

14:21

you're it's your birthday and you'd rather just be having

14:23

fun. Yeah, I really went downhill

14:26

so quickly. Yeah,

14:28

at this point, I'm a little demoralized,

14:31

and I'm wondering why am I doing

14:33

all of this? Doesn't take any time.

14:35

To have a good idea, or to be creative

14:37

or innovative or strategic does

14:40

don't take time? What those do requires

14:42

space. That is David Allen.

14:44

He's arguably the creator of the

14:47

entire life hack industry. He

14:49

wrote a book called Getting Things Done in two

14:51

thousand one, and it sold over

14:53

a million copies since. I

14:55

called him up at his home in Amsterdam to ask about

14:58

the benefits of writing things down in

15:00

my bullet journal. If your head is still

15:02

wrapped around food you should have bought this morning

15:04

or the last meeting you were in, and you didn't

15:06

write down all the stuff that you promised somebody

15:09

that you would do, or if you've got

15:11

stuff that you've committed to do, then you haven't

15:13

tracked that and you're still trying to use your head

15:15

as your office. Your head is an absolutely

15:17

crappy office, and most people

15:19

are trying to use their head as their office. And it

15:21

didn't evolve, or is not designed to remember,

15:24

remind, prioritize, or any of that. So

15:26

in David Allen's theory, the bullet journal

15:28

would be the thing that is supposed to hold

15:30

all of the things that are cluttering up your head right

15:32

now and keeping you from doing your best work exactly.

15:36

And in some ways my bullet journal was

15:38

doing that. Like I was really good at the daily

15:40

to do lists. We were working on this big

15:42

project at the time, the Paycheck and

15:45

Any series podcast about the gender pay gap that

15:47

I hosted, and you also worked on Plug Go

15:49

Listen, and keeping the lists help

15:51

me stay on top of what could have been a very

15:54

stressful and overwhelming project. In

15:57

other ways, it wasn't working for

15:59

me because I wasn't using it. And

16:01

the thing that was particularly difficult

16:04

for me to get into was the

16:06

tracker. Like I said, the

16:08

bullet journal can do a million things,

16:10

but I'm going to talk about the tracker for

16:13

a little while because I really struggled

16:15

with it. More on my struggles

16:18

after the break.

16:44

I had made a very basic habit tracker where

16:46

every day I was supposed to track if I made

16:48

dinner, or clean my apartment, or did

16:50

a series of other good habits and

16:53

I wasn't using it. I was really

16:55

beating myself up about not using this tracker.

16:58

But as Rachel, my personal bullet

17:01

journal sherpa told me, the

17:03

whole point of the bullet journal is that it's customizable

17:06

and that you can and should create

17:08

something that works for you. So

17:10

it's kind of like you need to customize it for yourself

17:13

and just sort of be realistic about your

17:16

own limitations and figuring

17:18

out if something's not working for you, like

17:20

really narrowing in on like what the

17:22

problem is, you can fix it without scrapping the whole

17:24

thing. I think to like, the whole

17:27

point is that like you kind of set it up one

17:29

page at a time, and like you can embrace

17:32

that flexibility where it's like if a weekly

17:34

spread isn't working for you, you just start something

17:36

new the next page and you move on.

17:39

So Rachel said, I really had to figure

17:41

out what my specific problem

17:43

was and then I could change it. So I

17:46

decided that my tracker was the problem

17:48

because I was putting in all this work

17:50

to collect this data of how many times

17:53

I did X, Y and Z things, and then

17:55

I wasn't really doing anything with it. So

17:58

I decided that I needed a new tracker

18:00

that collected more interesting data.

18:03

Here's me explaining the tracker I chose

18:06

to my boyfriend Danny.

18:08

So basically, I'm going to track how

18:11

much I drink every day and ounces

18:13

but ounces are cups? How many cups

18:15

I drink every day? And then how

18:18

much I spend on it? Why

18:20

did you choose

18:22

to track your alcohol intake? Um?

18:27

I just felt like the tracker as it was

18:29

was not specific enough, Like

18:32

I tracked my activities back

18:34

in April, way back when, and

18:37

I was just like, well, I don't really care how often

18:41

I drink. I'm moren't care about how much I drink

18:43

and how much I spend on it. Are you

18:45

trying to reduce the amount of alcohol you

18:48

consume? Why

18:50

are you asking me so skeptically? This

18:53

just seems like a tracker for people

18:55

who want

18:57

to reduce or want to drink less.

19:00

No, I just want to know. I

19:03

feel like you really just did this so you could draw

19:06

that picture of a cocktail. I

19:08

didn't even know I was going to do that until

19:10

the end. Rude,

19:13

Well what would you track? I

19:16

would track my

19:19

sleep? Yeah, I don't care about that.

19:22

You should track the amount of times you

19:24

nag me. Oh

19:29

man, I got a lot of pushback on

19:31

the drink tracker from Danny. Yeah you did.

19:33

He I mean, I can sort of get what

19:35

he's saying, which is like, why even pay

19:38

attention to a habit if you're not if there's

19:40

nothing about the habit that you want to change. But I could

19:42

also see you said you were going to track

19:44

how much money you were spending, right, So

19:46

like, if you can see how much money you're spending,

19:50

you might shock yourself

19:52

into spending less, right, Like the expectation

19:54

is that the number is going to be like, oh, I didn't realize.

19:57

I thought the original tracker was dumb and I was

19:59

gonna do a yeah yeah. So I wanted better data,

20:01

better data, And despite the

20:04

guff I got, I ended up liking

20:06

that a lot better than my other tracker. I

20:08

did it every day, and I actually was into the data

20:10

I was collecting, which turned out to be incredibly

20:13

revealing. At the end of the month, I

20:15

tallied up how much I drank and how much I had

20:17

spent, and it added up to a d five

20:20

dollars. Here's me talking to our producer

20:22

tofor about it. Do you think you're going to

20:24

do anything with that information?

20:28

What am I going to do with that information? I think it kind

20:30

of makes me feel okay about how

20:32

much I'm spending on

20:35

this recreational habit and how much

20:37

I'm doing it to say to myself,

20:39

like I wasn't really checking myself.

20:42

I wasn't like you can only spend ten dollars

20:45

a day, or like you can only drink this much

20:47

a week. But left to my own devices

20:49

that I'm like spending a reasonable amount

20:52

of money on drinking. You

20:54

began this thing as

20:57

a way to like clear space in your mind

20:59

so that you can focus on other things. And

21:02

I'm wondering, you know, does

21:05

having that tracker, having this information help

21:07

accomplish that goal of freeing your mind up

21:09

for other things. Or maybe it's giving you a piece of

21:11

mind so you're not spending as much time thinking about

21:14

it. Yeah, I think so, because I have anxiety

21:16

around money, Like I have anxiety around

21:18

spending money, and when

21:20

even when I buy a round of drinks and I do it willingly

21:23

and happily because it's

21:25

nice to buy people things, and um,

21:28

in the back of my mind, I'm like, like a

21:30

fifty dollar bill for drinks stresses

21:33

me out. But now, seeing like

21:35

how it balances out in a month, I think

21:37

I can feel a little better. So

21:47

that I think that

21:49

is the beauty of the bullet Journal.

21:52

The things cluttering up my mind aren't

21:54

just tasks, but anxieties and

21:56

guilt about my work, and

21:59

the trackers and calendars and journals

22:01

and to do lists help me manage

22:04

those feelings. Oh wow,

22:07

that's pretty deep all that. I'm a drink checker.

22:28

Okay, So it sounds like you had a lot

22:30

of ups and downs, but at the end you kind

22:32

of came around to feeling like maybe this was even more

22:34

useful than you thought it was going to be. But

22:36

at the beginning you did say that you would think it was

22:39

a success if you wrote in your bullet

22:41

journal every day for two months. So

22:43

did you do that? Yes, if

22:46

that is the measurement of success, then yes I

22:48

did that. I used the to do list every

22:50

day. But did

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I become the aspirational bullet

22:55

journal user? No, Let

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me show you my journal. This is a

23:00

real reveal. Yeah, so wow,

23:04

this is how it started. This was the first

23:06

bread I made with Rachel. That's the calendar,

23:09

that's the habit tracker. You

23:12

know, m hmm, some

23:15

other things to do lists that looks

23:17

okay, Yeah, we're looking at something

23:19

that's very well used. It

23:22

definitely shows that you used it a lot.

23:24

I'm gonna say your handwriting is not like that

23:28

great. So yeah, here's a March

23:30

recap. I tried to channel my

23:33

inner creative

23:35

person. This is the artistic part. You've

23:37

drawn three stars,

23:39

like not even fancy stars, they're just they're

23:43

just a little five pointed stars that you colored in,

23:45

and you've kind of squiggly underlined some

23:47

of the cursive writing that you did. But like, this

23:50

doesn't look like the professional calligraphy

23:52

that you see in the Instagram pictures. Let

23:55

me show you that the infamous drink

23:57

tracker. Yeah, that looks cool kind

24:00

of this looks neat and tidy. Look

24:02

like, this looks like a journal that you used a

24:04

lot, that you've got a lot of use out of. It's

24:07

I mean, I don't want to insult you, but it's not that

24:09

pretty. To

24:11

be fair, I was really bad

24:14

at making it montage.

24:20

The thing is, it really doesn't matter if it's not perfect, because

24:22

you're the one who wants to look at it every day. I'm

24:25

just like, so nervous to mess up that it comes

24:27

out looking kind of dumb.

24:30

Oh my god, this is ugly. I'm

24:33

really messing up basically,

24:35

like I'm getting black pen in places

24:38

it shouldn't be. The hell did

24:40

that happen? This pen? I don't love this pen. Oh

24:42

god, it's

24:44

ugly. Oh

24:57

back, guy, you're you found

24:59

a new thing to be hard on yourself about. You

25:02

know what? That is? Correct?

25:05

See, this is exactly my problem with these kinds

25:07

of like d I y crafty

25:10

solutions to things. It's like the the bar

25:12

is pretty high, and you

25:14

could be like perfectly organized and actually using

25:16

your bullet journal really well, but if you're not coloring

25:20

perfectly within the margins or drawing beautiful pictures

25:22

of flowers, you end up feeling

25:24

bad about yourself. Yeah.

25:27

I didn't feel that bad about it, which

25:29

is maybe even part of the problem, like I just

25:31

didn't really care enough. But

25:34

in the moment, I have a lot of banks that you

25:36

can hear. So

25:39

yeah, I don't think I will ever be like rachel

25:41

Or the bullet journal experts on Instagram, but

25:44

I do keep to do list now and I

25:46

don't think the value of writing things down

25:48

can be understated. It's not just

25:51

about getting tasks out of your head so

25:53

you can concentrate on other things. Although that's

25:55

nice for me, it's about managing stress

25:57

and anxiety, and maybe for other

26:00

us it can be too m h.

26:11

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working for her. She's

26:18

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26:20

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