This episode features an interview with and reading from Gary Cunningham. In ‘Joys of Joy’ and ‘Life After Joy’ Gary wrote about his experiences as a prisoner and life after imprisonment respectively. Gary has gone through a lot and has used writing as a way of eloquently expressing his story. This should be a sad story, but Gary comes across as one of the most positive people around, infusing everything with humour and brutal honesty. This honesty comes across in this interview as Gary talks about the power of creativity, the process of getting over addiction and the rock opera that he is working on.